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good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry. we begin this morning with the latest on the u.s. special operations forces entering eastern syria late friday night with the intention of capturing an isis leader and he is wife. that leader was shot and killed when he engaged with army delta force commandos. his wife an iraqi was captured and is in detention now. along about a dozen isis fighters were killed. this is a boots on the ground, cross border operation inside syriament the first successful raid by american ground troops since the military campaign against the islamic state began last year. the operation came three months after three unsuccessful raids in syria and yemen to free american hostages. the decision to put u.s. boots
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on the ground this weekend highlights several factors. one, thatten on the ground intelligence from within syria seeps to be increasing and improving. also the administration will continue to send in ground troops in order to capture and kill suspected terrorists. the debate around u.s. counter terror operations in syria and iraq tends to focus on the u.s. hill tear reliance on drones. aggressive u.s. drone use has faced mounting criticism, especially due to evidence that the military tactic has resulted in innocent civilian casualties. among those innocent are our own oh. the u.s. government last month said two men held hostage by al qaeda sh one american one italian, were killed in a u.s. drone strike in pakistan this january. the death of oh an american by a u.s. drone was met with a personal apology by president obama. p the president didn't sign off on that specific strike because because he authorized the cia and military to carry out drone
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attacks on their own if the attacks meet certain criteria. for the latest we go to nbc news correspondent, white house correspondent kristen welker at the white house. how involved was president obama in this particular operation? >> reporter: very involved. he's the one who authorized it at the recommendation of the national security team. this weekend he has praised the success of those who carried it out. as you underscored it was risky. now we are learning more about how it went down. u.s. oh fishfficials say delta force took off in blackhawks and osprey plane helicopter ho hybrids and flew into an isis strong hold in eastern syria. the target of the mission as you say was sayyaf not known to most americans but he was a top isis operator who managed isis's oil and gas income. that's significant. he was also close to isis leader abu al baghdadi.
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there was a hand to hand fight. sayyaf was killed with 12 other isis fighters. no u.s. forces were killed. that's significant. they took his wife into custody. she's apparently talking to her interrogators. the mission is significant for a number of reasons. it shows the u.s. is willing to take on isis in its safe havens. the mission was risky. if any of the commandos were captured they would have been tortured and killed as we have seen with other isis hostages. it could yield new swell intelligence of whether other isis fighters and whether other hostages are. that interview being conducted with um sayyaf the wife of the isis leader. back to you. >> thank you to kristen welker. joining me now, founding director of the valley forge military college's center for the advancement of oh securities
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studies and iraq war veteran and noah shackman, executive editor of the daily beast. nice to have you here. how important is the raid? is this the media excited for a clean win or is this important in the battle against isis? >> i don't think we know yet. this guy's position hasn't been entirely clear judging on the reports yesterday he was either super senior or mid-level, either controlling their finances or maybe just some. i don't think we know yet about this raid. i think we'll know if there is a series of raids that there is a series of cascading intelligence successes. that might be a big deal. the other thing to point out is while this raid was going on and while we were killing this guy, no matter how essential or not he was, one of iraq's key cities fell to isis.
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>> these not true. there was a series of attacks on the police. there were police engaging the insurgents. there wasn't -- the military sent three regiments to them. but the iraqi military, the government forces pushed in. >> so ever -- >> it's tenuous. it could fall but who is in control? who knows? the reporting has said isis as pulled back from the government buildings. it looks like it was a raid. they pulled back. there is no doubt it's contested space. >> so interesting, earl, that you wring it up. are from the moment i heard the reporting i wanted to talk to you about this. we talked before as a vet as well as a scholar of the questions. what that space in iraq means for you.
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i was wondering whether or not what was happening in iraq and what happened here how closely connected they are in the administration's decision-ache decision-making. >> think the administration looked at this as the raid. the planning and preparation that took place and there was already a precedence. there were three failed attempts but they weren't failed in top rationale part. they were failed that they didn't secure the hostages. here you had a target that you were going to capture or kill. whatever the situation was there. but he was going to with there, generally speaking. if not him, the information they were going after. there is a huge electronic footprint. they knew they needed to go get it. that's why they didn't use a drone strike. with the other raids there were hostages. that's a crap shoot whether or not they are there. they were right on the heels of oh them. they were all successful that they were able to insert conduct the raid and ex tract without any major casualle tis,
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american casualties. >> except for the hostages eventually getting killed. that's a major american casualty. >> that, again, is one of the things when you go on hostage rescue there is a calculus that we are going to take this risk. they actually do an assessment whether or not they can negotiate, this. what's the immediate danger and will that immediate danger if the they are successful override the long-term danger. >> well, part -- >> i have to say i don't think it's clear that abu sayyaf was the target of the raid. we are hearing at the daily beast and i think our sources on this are really good that there were many other eye ses types that were targeted but had fled the area before u.s. forces -- >> you think this is post hoc advertising is this. >> i don't think it definitely is. i don't think it's clear to me that the guy now being trumpeted at this win was necessarily the
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target. >> part of what i want -- i'm interested in is sort of the difference in tone and tenner of this than the conversations happening around drones. for me, sort of the instruments of war the technology of it are amoral and the questions are how they get deployed one way or another. it feels drones have taken on their own sort of discourse and i guess i'm surprised at what feels like almost celebratory mood about boots on the ground in the way we have been so critical generally of drones. if you think there is something to that in this case. >> no. honestly think the drones -- i don't think this was a political decision. i think it was a tactical or oh operational decision by the president. there are certain targets that drone strikes -- they know that they can effectively engage and kill. there is no reason to endanger american lives. again this was the planning part of this. i honestly believe because
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americans arer very good at intelligence that there was a huge electronic footprint therement there might be merit that there were other people in play there. there could have been a meeting. timing is off. timing in the raids arer very critical if you're off by five minutes or a minute. >> it can make all the difference. you say electronic footprint. you said that to us earlier. if you're the finance guy you might have more of an electronic footprint because of the ways that you are managing -- spp as opposed to a battlefield commander where you can engage with troops on the ground. >> on the face to face. >> thank you so much for being here. i will be interested to continue to follow what's going on with who we think the targets were. stay right there. up next, new developments in the amtrak train derailment. live to philadelphia for the latest. plus 10 gigs of shareable data. yeah, 10 gigantic gigs. for $80 a month.
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as the investigation into this week's deadly train derailment continueser more details have surfaced. a passenger traveling the same route the same night of the derailment on another train says an object hit his train shattering the window. justin landis a johns hopkins student snapped this photo of the damage and said the incident happened about 20 minutes away from the philadelphia station. this development came just one day after the ntsb announced its investigators had spoken to the staff of the derailed train including the engineer. an i assist'assistant conductor said she heard an oblt had hit the train. an engineer said his train was hit. when the train derailed tuesday night, eight people were killed.
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more than 200 people were injured. friday, the youngest victim 20-year-old justin zemser was laid to rest. the naval academy midshipmen was traveling home on leave. hundreds attended his funeral which include full military honors. the federal railroad administration ordered amtrak to take measures to improve safety on the northeast corridor. joining me from philadelphia msnbc correspondent adam reyes. what are the orders issued by the administration? >> reporter: good morning. three orders. one to assess curves, one to assess speed and to install atc, automatic train control. that would alert the engineer if the train is going too fast. if the engineer doesn't slow it down the system will slow down. i want to tell you about the fbi investigation looking into a pattern. is there a link between three trains getting hit by projectiles? let's look. first we have the o oh ce la at
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9:05. then a accept that train claiming it was hit at 9:10 and amtrak 188, of course, at 9 clb 28. officials say it was a fist-sized projectile that went through the front windshield can iing eight people. it's possible criminal are charges could come from the investigation. engineers along the route call it getting rocked. actually happening so often along the northeast corridor they have to protect themselves by putting grills in the front windshield. >> thank you. we'll continue to follow this story. up next, the president wants it. republicans want et. the private sector wants it. what's the debate about? ing for a car that drives you... ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands... ...this isn't that car.
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best known abolitionist. now harriet tubman may end up on the $20 bill. it's not imminent but a grassroots group "women on the 20" has been petitioning to retire the current bill featuring andrew jackson and is advocating for harriet tubman to be the face of the 20. the decision to make the new bills lies in the hands of jack lew and his department and if the treasury decides to print few bills it would take years for its partner, the federal reserve to distribute all of the redesigned bank notes. this week the federal reserve and its bill distributing power at the center of another money story. the trans-pacific partnership trade deal. the agreement has been many the works for almost ten years and would update the terms of the trade between the united states and 11 countries bordering the pacific ocean. as the largest trade agreement in decades the deal would be a major part of president obama's legacy. if you think the idea of putting harriet tubmap on theroversial it
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has nothing on the big trade deal. big companies favor the pac to spur economic growth while many progressives and labor groups have concern for american workers. the deal has been so fraught that the senate initially societied against debating the president's authority to speed trade pacs through congress to give the lawmakers power to vote for or against the deal, mott alter it. in a reversal the senate voted two days later to consider the legislation tald let president obama complete trade negotiations and fast track the trade deal through congress. the president applauded this decision thursday and continued to make his case. >> i want to thank all the senators who voted to provide that authority. at least begin the debate on poving the process forwardment those who didn't vote for it. i want to keep on trying to make
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the case the approach we are taking here, i think is the right one, not just for big u.s. businesses. but also for small u.s. businesses and medium-sized u.s. businesses and ultimately american workers. >> the senate's change of heart happened only after senators passed partner legislation to prevent any of the 11 countries involved in the deal from engaging in currency manipulation. opponents worry about the macro economic effects of oh country that is stock pile u.s. dollars in order to take them out of circulation and artificially increase the value of the dollar while decreasing thele value of that country's currency. proponents are less concerned about currency manipulation, arguing that artificial manipulation of currency's value debins to stall the economy and the fed would step in and pump more bills. washington's jackson ares or tubmans in the future into the system. currency manipulation isn't the only rur point in the debate. opponents like senator elizabeth
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warren have concerns about the deal easing the displacement of jobs overseas and hindering competition among businesses. president obama and supporters balk at the idea it would help big business at the expense of the american work wither. let's be clear. i'm no expert in trade deals but i have invited experts to talk about it. joining me now a former candidate for the governor of new york. gor dan chang, columnist at doryer warren, msnbc contributor and host of nerding out and ambassador david eide lman, former ambassador to sipg pore and a partner at reid-smith. thanks for being with us. why this array of nations at this moment? >> i think it's largely because there is a concern about china in the region. got to remember that president obama announced this in november 2011 which was really the heart of the pivot. this was the idea that we would
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spend much more diplomatic and military attention toward the pacific and people were concerned about china's predatory trade behavior. this is a response to what was going on in asia. >> this idea that this part of the world is our new critical space -- right? i guess part then of what i'm interested in is since china is in certain ways the nation why china then isn't part of this at the same time it is clearly part of it. >> this is really not just about china. it's about growth in the asia-pacific. something happened in march of 2010 that's a little bit obscure but was very significant. for the first time in history, american exports to asia exceeded american exports to europe. in some ways this trade negotiation is following the explosive growth in asia. it'ser very important. >> is that about population or oh buying capacity? >> it's about the growth and economic strength of many of the xis that are participating in
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the trans-pacific partnership talks. hundreds of millions of people are clawing their way to the middle class. they are very interested in american goods and services. they are the safest and highest quality goods and services in the world. >> your point about them being the safest is also underlying this. the idea in part that this kind of trade agreement would raise the level of not only pay but also safety security, not only for the goods we would be import ping as americans but the circumstances under which workers would be operating in these nations. yet, a lot of progressives on this the side say hey that's not our worry. our worry is what will happen to american workers in american jobs. >> it should be our worry. whatever happens to the workers, if we raise the global floor for workers in developing countries it could potentially influence and help american workers. the issue now is the worry about the threat of american jobs going to places like bangladesh or vietnam. if that's the case, why not lift
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the global floor using our trade policy? in fact, under our current trades policy the president and the u.s. trade representative have the authority to threaten or issue sanctions for countries that don't enforce their labor rights. we could be making a progressive case to lift the global floor using trade policy which piegt end up benefitting american workers. >> in a very long run. >> the if many ways the trade floor has already been lifted. most of the apparel and footwear we wear in the united states were manufactured in vietnam, bangladesh and other markets in asia. >> we is it still haven't used our trade authority to the extent we could. it's uncomfortable position for progressives. it's about imperial hedge mo nick power saying to countries we are not trading unless you have this standard. we refuse to do it. that should be the trade to action around all trade policieses. >> what's interesting and helpful, the three different stories we are told. i happen to agree with gordon.
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i suspect the real reason president obama, who i agree with on a lot of things -- not this the thing -- is pushing this and has taken political are risks. >> yeah. >> he believes -- not the reasons you're giving but he's motivated by the concern about china. >> he's being competitive from the beginning. >> yeah. >> and his own sense of legacy is tied to that. the reason it's important and the tpp is complicated and unknown. when we are debating it, these are three different arguments. if you believe the core reason is china we should be measuring it along those terms and deciding whether the real risks that come to the domestic sovereignty are worth it. if we think the reason is american jobs, i find the evidence weak on that. let's debate on that front. if we think the real debate is about raising the floor, that's what the new york times suggested when it endorsed the basic premise of the tpp. i find it i [ applause ]
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able that's the thrust and the process through which we are negotiating the deal doesn't make sense if that's the goal. another trade deal could serve those goals. >> those three stories give us different standards on which we would measure whether or not we think this is good or not. on the china piece, is it a good deal? is it a reasonable decision to make? >> it's very important for us to do that. as the president said -- and he's correct -- who writes trade rules? is it us or china? when you write the tratd rules you write trade flows. are we going to have trade among 12 countries with each other or are 11 countries going to trade with china and china takes the end products and sells to us? this is an important issue that will go on oh. the trade deal is imperfect. there are a lot of things wrong with it. when you look at the geopolitical aspects of it this is important for the united states and for leadership in the region which is a volatile state. we want to make sure the u.s. is
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to inform people the patents of the tpp could do to global public health. >> the tpp is slated to become the most harmful trade agreement ever for access to medicines. the tpp could impose new rules that will extend monopoly protection for medicines, keeping prices sky high for longer and blocking generic drugs from ent erering the market. >> could it create a public health pob? i like doctors without borders. they say things and i'm generally like, oh, okay oh. i also like intellectual property protection. >> i think it is a great example. i want to step back. my concern about the tpp is as an american constitutional scholar. my concern has to do with a locus of decision-making who has authority to make decisions and then who has the authority to adjudicate those decisions. patents is an area where the tpp
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would change both the locus of the decision-making authority and the place of judicial arbitration. >> moving toward the administrative? >> first of all, it is moving into the trade area. we are calling this a trade deal. as elizabeth warren frequently reminds us of the 29 alleged chapters in this unknown deal, really only five have are to do with traditional trade elements with tariffs. the rest are really forms of law-making, legislation through the secret practice that 600 lobbyists are engaged in. as something of a patriot and anti-monopolist i want to point out thomas jefferson wanted an anti-monopoly clause in the constitution because of concerns about extended patents. patents give monopoly quasi governing power over whole areas. to have extensive patent protection which we believe exists in this secret trade deal
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is concerning for the other countries and for people in those other countries but also concerning for us. there is a growing anti-monopoly movement inner our country. if we wanted to reduce the length of the patents it would be foreclosed by the tpp. >> the point is important but really not what doctors without borders is is talking about. america invests more in medical and pharmaceutical research and development than any other country on the globe. the reason is we have strong patent protections. our patent system encourages further research and development investment by protecting that investment and what the tpp will do is take those protections overseas to some of the markets which are most important trading partners. this is one of the difficult places melissa where opponents of the tpp want it both ways. they want labor and environmental standards american-style in the asia-pacific, but they are concerned with an american style patent regime in the asia
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pacific. >> so, so is there a way -- to slice this that then allows for a recognition of certain kinds of needs and a kind of hierarchy that says -- all right. i get the point. research and development comes from a kind of profit motivation that says because you have feints you can protect intellectual property so if you don't have are those protections around intellectual property. on the other hand -- i mean, i get the argument. i'm not saying i agree. i get the argument. right? part of what i'm saying is once we start talking about what the cost is relative to a basket of goods in another nation that there are ways -- the best way i can say this in a tv moment is a sliding scale. what you can charge in a nation where median income is $50,000 is different from what you can charge where it's $5,000. >> you can have a work around though. the point is there are really important concerns that doctors
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without borders talk about. the way you do it is not to reduce patent protections. you're absolutely right on that. the way to do it is direct govts assistance to groups like doctors without borders. you sort of ep the generics that way. you don't do it by aching the patent protections and breaking them down. because thenner not going to get drugs in the first place. >> i promise i will let you back in. you had the constitutional point about the question of the fundamental process as well. after the break, we are going to talk about the specter of fantastic that and the giant sucking sound that we still pay be asking about the tpp. (mom) when our little girl was born we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru is where she grew up. what? (announcer) the 2015 subaru forester (girl) what? (announcer) built to be there for your family.
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debate between ross perot and vice president al gore. >> the problem is this is not good for the people in either country. if this is true why is corporate america downsizing? if this is all true, why do we have the largest number of college granule watts unable to find jobs since any time in the 40s? >> ross perot jobs jobs. during the debate about the north american free trade agreement between canada mexico and the united states perot believed nafta could create more u.s. jobs and massage the economy much like the concern about tpp deal, many trade unions were concerned nafta could result in a loss of manufacturing jobs in the '90s. still president clinton signed the agreement in december of 1993 of after facing congressional opposition and it was a major policy sickry for the administration. joining in the celebration, of course then was then first lady hillary clinton and secretary of state hillary clinton called the tpp the gold standard in trade
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agreements. as a candidate clinton has been vague and general about the tpp, unlike likely democratic candidate martin o'malley. clinton restrained her comments to this in new hampshire. >> any trade deal has to produce jobs and raise wages and increase prosperity and protect our security. we have to do our part in making sure we have the capabilities and skills to be competitive. >> so what will the trade deal mean for the politics of oh where we are thousand? >> former secretary clinton was right. any trade deal has to produce jobs. nafta produced lots of jobs in mexico, canada and not the u.s. the evidence is clear. you don't hear people pushing back against that. the studies are pretty unequivocal about the effect of nafta on american workers. >> i need you to pause. you just underlined one of the great moments in american politics. i want you to listen to ross perot talking about the giant
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sucking sound. >> what will you do as president to open rp foreign markets to fair competition from american business and to stop unfair competition here at home from foreign countries? >> that's right at the top of oh my agenda. we have shipped millions of jobs overseas. we have a strange situation. you don't care about anything but making money there will be a giant sucking sound going south. >> i'm sorry. you may go on. >> he was profe tick in the case of oop nafta. for trade deals going forward what are the trade offs for the loss of american jobs and increased jobs in people in poverty in other places this the world. can we talk about the trade off for the american standard of oh living versus toes around the world? that's the debate i want to have. again, what kind of protections can we put in place for american workers but especially for toes workers in vietnam and other
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countries. will we demand those countries enforce a robust regime of workers' rights? we have not done that. >> dorian wants to argue about u.s. jobs and the standard and quality of jobs over seas. zephyr wants a conversation about with a this means in terms of the process and elt of american democracy. we are thinking a little bit here around the questions both of our relationship with china and i have heard you say zephyr, a question of national security as well as these long-term relationships. of course also what it means not only for jobs when we think about manufacturing but also the intellectual property rights the thing the u.s. still has. that seems complicated. zephyr your point was therefore we ought to have a big open debate about it. not have it happen behind closed doors. >> the debate is about protectionism. protectionism is the close cousin to isolationism. that's what you heard in the
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campaign. candidate buchanan and perot were promoting isolationism which is at odds with the increasingly interconnected economies of the world. those interconnected economieses have served america well. the other part of nafta that's not disputed is the trade flows between canada the united states and mexico have increased. this has been a good 20 years for the american economy. >> the protection isn't for whom. et's for the profits in this case of pharmaceutical companies that will result in deaths for millimeters who don't have access to generic drugs chchlt protectionism do we want to argue for? it's okay for companies but not for workers. when we want to protect workers around labor rights that's bad. we want to protect intellectual property. >> skefr zephyr will be back. coming up next, when is the last
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on tuesday, president and first lady michelle obama made it oh official. the obama presidential library will be on the south side of oh chicago. the first couple explained that the decision was a personal one for them. >> every value every memory, every important relationship to me exists in chicago. i consider myself a south sider. >> all the strands of my life came together and i became a man when i moved to chicago. that's where i was able to apply that early idealism to try to work in communities, in public service. that's where i met my wife. that's where with my children were born. >> the library sighting decision
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is a reminder of how novel it is to have an urban first family. not since fdr has a president rooted he is identity in one of our great cities. living in d.c., vacationing this hawaii and martha's vine yard we haven't seen the obamas as south sider. not since the days of trick or treating before the 2008 election. with the announcement that the obama presidential library and foundation will live near the university of chicago near the woodlawn and washington park neighborhoods we are reminds of the obamas unique connection to the city. the economic impact of the library could be significant. granted a president i can't library isn't like opening a new factory and there is little evidence from previous presidential libraries of sustained direct economic effects except for the clinton library which according to one analysis wrought $2.5 billion the investment to little rock, arkansas, since 1997. this is not just any library in any community. this is the library of the nation's first black president who made history and then made
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it again through both of the elections he won. his archive cos may be an academic des thags for decades. he's chosen to place them in a community that's rich in tradition and history and is predominantly african-american by enormouser mar jins and home to substantial levels of oh poverty. wile the murder rate has declined in chicago since 2012 the disadvantaged south side is burdened by a crime fwap that leaves residents vulnerable to violence. the choice to locate the obama library in a community that's largelier poor mostly black and actively struggling is a meaningful one. it's worth asking what difference will it make? here to talk with me the director of the research center for black cull cure which will receive an award at the white house tomorrow. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> you're a chicagoan. what do you think? is it important? >> yes, of course it is. chicago is one of the most
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important destinations and historical landmarks of this country's great industrial history. unlike new york as a finance capital, unlike los angeles as the capital of entertainment, chicago is the capital of industry and big shoulders. in this sense this presidential library has a chance to tell the story in a way it's never been told before. >> it's the city of black politics and really important ways. to remember that martin luther king chicago campaign was a crucial part of his legacy to remember jesse jackson in '84 and '88 making the first presidential bids is coming out of there. harold wash wash carol brawn ida wells. chicago is specifically that south side home to black politics. >> it is. drawing on history it tells a story that's often over looked. it is the first place to send a black representative to congress
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after reconstruction in 1928 with oscar depriest which precedes adam clayton powell, jr., the more powerful and well known congressman from new york city in 1944. you're right. that's the question. in some ways it's the million dollar question or the billion dollar question in presidential library terms. how much of that story will be front and center in an obama presidential library? the same way the smithsonian museum of african-american history has to wrestle with the question of how to attract as many tourists as possible with an ecumenical story of america's greatness with black people at the center of it how much do you deal with slavery? how much is it an ongoing legacy? how much will the story be able to tell black politics or black chicago story in order to meet its economic goals? >> the other piece of oh potential critique and concern here, when i say it will be located near the university of oh checking, for folks in the know about the south side, there is angst about the university of
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chicago's relationship with that south side community sometimes described as imperial in the way it pushes into african-american communities and now we are talking about pushing south into woodlawn potentially. i wonder if this idea of, oh, this is an exciting sighting might be one that has property owners communities a little bit worried about who and how those influences or gent riff indication could move in. >> this is something generations wrestle with in terms of economic development. the pattern doesn't look good in terms of oh whether it is a staid yup. whether it is olympic development in communities all across the world. you get these beautiful buildings. you have the promise and the optimism and inspiration that they bring with them. then the question is who is coming? who's paying for it? what's the vision of the leadership? those are questions that one hopes, given the president's commitments to chicago given the first lady's attachments as a native daughter of the
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community will be answered differently and some of the economic development questions will be answered with a taughtfulness for residents which often are left at the table. there is often window dressing town halls. when the dust settles the question repains. who does this rel benefit? >> i could imagine it though. i don't know what it will be called. oh we'll have the community event at the obama library. we're having wood lawn kwanzaa at the obama library. i can imagine those things and they seem not surprising to me. >> this is really important. there is already an african-american history museum. spp that's right. >> there is a question here about -- >> does it eat that one? >> an existing infrastructure to tell the black history of chicago founded by a black man. i think that's an important opportunity. with the leadership of the library is a trickle down effect where there are more people in
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the community -- more people this the area, more tourists, more dollars and du sable is lifted up or does it draw are it down? >> it could link to du sable back to science and industry and create a park space not unlike what happen downtown on the lake front or it could eat due sable. >> we don't want that to happen. let's be clear. >> we don't. i keep being reminded of how young they are. president and first lady michelle obama have a long future in front of them in public life. watching not only the physical space of the library but tear public work will be fascinating. thank you for coming talk south side and to shaumburg for the terrific award tomorrow at the white house. still to cop, brazil's most expensive parking lot. the mayor's race are being influenced by outside millions and the shared legacy of rock and roll and hip-hop. more nerdland at the top of the hour.
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welcome back. i'm melissa harris-perry. we are we learning new details about the raid inside syria in which u.s. special operations forced killed an isis leader. abu sayyef was killed after a delta force group flew to cap cure him. he resisted capture and was killed. according to u.s. defense officials he was involved in isis military operations and also help heed direct the terrorist organization's oil, gas and financial operations. his wife, an iraqedlyi national was captured and is now in detention. >> first of all it sends a message to isis that the united states is willing to take them on in their safe havens.
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on their own turf. that's significant. this was incredibly risky and if any of the u.s. commandos had been captured they would have been tortured and killed as we have seen with other isis hostages. it is significant because while the isis leader abu sayyef was killed his wife was taken into custody and is talking to her interrogators. that could yield new intelligence about whether other isis fighters are and where hostages are being held. we are learning details about the operation this morning. u.s. officials say american delta force commandos took off from northern iraq in black hawk helicopters and osprey plane helicopter hybrids and flew into an isis stronghold in eastern syria. the target of the mission was abu say, yes, f, not known to most americans but u.s. officials say he was a top isis operator. he managed isis's oil and gas income. taking him down wasn't easy.
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there was a gun fight and hand to hand fighting. sayyef was killed with 12 other isis fighters. the operation is hailed as a vektry but comes against the backdrop of ramadi falling to isis this week which under score it is fact that the campaign against isis will be protracted as it as been predicted. >> thank you. we are going to turn now to a critical time for the city of philadelphia. in the immediate aftermath of the amtrak train derailment philadelphia mayor michael nutter was front and center practically from the moment the accident happened late tuesday fight. he was seeking and providing answers day after day nutter was there on the scene fielding questions from reporters providing the latest on the devastating crash that claimed eight lives and injured more than 200 passengers. the train derailment put philadelphia at the center of a renewed debate over the safety of our oh thags's infrastructure and underscores a seg cannes of the fifth largest city and the people wo who lead it.
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nutter is in he is second and because of term limits his final terp as mayor. because of the term limits in philadelphia he's not eligible to run again so he's not on the ball will the for the democratic primary this tuesday. a race that even before the derailment was seen as noteworthy in the national debate over several key issues. the amtrak tragedy torsed the candidates to curtail some campaigning this the home stretch of the race. before the events of this week took the headlines the candidates were sending much of their time talking about another issue that put philadelphia in the spotlight if re-kent years. its troubled school subpoena. many in ale poll taken just days ago improving education was far and away the top concern of oh likely voters and for good reason. right now the school system is facing a projected $85 million short fall. a may 30 deadline to adopt a budget a deadline the district is likely to miss for the second year in a row. in 2013 philadelphia made national headlines when it
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closed 23 schools and laid off thousands of workers in the face of a deficit that topped $300 million. that spring thousands of students walked out of classes to protest proposals to eliminate after school sports, extracurricular activities and counselors. we spoke to one of the student organizers in the 2013 protests about her concerns. >> classes will be over crowded. the teacher won't be able to teach and school will be hectic. we don't have books, computers and stuff like that. we don't have that. >> this education issue has been the driving story line between the two top candidates in tuesday's primary. each has a december tingt approach n. a heavily deppic city like philadelphia winning the primary means you will typically be the next mayor. where the candidates stand is likely where philly policy will go. jim kenny anned advocate of traditional public schools has the backing of the philadelphia federation of teachers and a
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commanding lead in the latest polls. it is significant considering the big money behind his main opponent. state senator anthony williams, who is a strong proponent of carter schools and vouchers and who speaks passionately about education in his campaign commercials. >> i have no use for the tired old practice of pitting some parents and some schools against other parents the in other schools. we should be lifting up all philadelphia school students. >> williams has an enormous financial edge thanks to the backing of three wealthy suburban investors who through their super pac, spent nearly $7 million on williams's behalf. that was nearly equal to all other candidates and super pac fund raising combined. it is part of a trend of super pac donations used to support proposals like the privatization of public schools. right now, all the money doesn't appear to be deciding philadelphia's mayoral race but
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it is a sign of oh things to come maybe in your next local election. joining me now, zephyr teachout a law professor at fordham and former new york candidate. and contributor for the nation and contributing writer at city live. nice to see you, dan. >> thanks for having me. >> help people understand how empowered the philadelphia mayor is relative to education. why does it matter who the mayor is. >> so the schools in philadelphia have been under funded and segregated from the more affluent suburban schools for a long time. in 2001 the state took over the school district and imposed a school reform commission. the mayor controls two of five seats. the governor the other three seats on the src. those are critical. and the city's contribution to city public schools is decided by the mayor and city council through the city budget process is important. this race has been about a lot of tinges but most of all about education and the candidates with starkly different visions
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of how to solve the philly public schools crisis. >> i want to come out to you on this, one way to tell the story is, okay. here you have a major city debating education as a central concernment big money on one side. it doesn't seem to be mattering. the people are choosing this kind of education. isn't that an indication that citizens united doesn't matter. big money doesn't matterer. what matters is is the democratic process and people voting their interests. >> that's right. >> okay. that wasn't the answer i was expecting. >> actually there is a point that's really important. outside money can have a huge impact when people aren't paying attention. a lot of times there are a lot of oh different issues. there is research jeff smith came out with a paper. sort of oh looking at when there is a high level of attention. big money patters less. >> democracy can push back against the big money. >> what's concerning -- this is
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exciting. what's concerning is how few people in new york a few hedge funders drive education policy with millions of dollars of investment in checkingicago and philadelphia. there is a new trend of the billionaire behind privatization of public education. they are out for under mining what i see as the infrastructure of democracy and the theory that trains will figure out their safety systems and schools will figurer out their funding as opposed to this is something we need to invest in, really need to fund. i think we should continue to call it out for what it is. >> dan, wen you talk about folks calling it out for what it is part of what was impressive to us over the past couple of years is the extent to which students have been the ones calling it out. you know, we talk about the black lives matter movement. over the course of the past year largely around police violencement i think of it as beginning in parts in students saying student lives matter. students of color from
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communities under resourced. are they the ones who are ultimately making -- kaeng the discourse for the election? >> indeed they have been connecting the dots between the yishs and talking about how the disinvestment and marginzation is part of building the school to prison pipeline. beg money matters but it's backfired in philadelphia. you can't spin the crisis pt students know what they are going through. parents know. teachers know what they are going through. we lost thousands of teacher and staff positions. schools are just shells of their former sefls. you can't spin that. nearly $7 million can't change the reality on the ground. transparency pushed by the media, i think, by aggressive report aring in the city really highlighting the three suburban financers pouring $7 million into williams's campaign efforts, i think, has backfired. the three libertarian suburbanite s have little in
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common with the average philadelphia philadelphiaan. many ways williams's greatest campaign asset was costly. >> why do they care what happens to the philadelphia public schools? >> you'd have to ask them. to me it seems more ideological. i think there are people with direct financial interest miss the privatization of public schools but at times that's overplayed on the left. there is a strong ideological commitment among many of the people in silicon valley and wall street to seeing an education system that mirrors their own idea of how society should work and flatters their own idea of how they themselves achieve success. >> thank you to daniel denvir in philadelphia. here in torque,new york, thank you to zephyr teachout. coming up sunday morning sports talk. you aren't going to believe
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deflategate continues to dominate the stories in the sports world but we have a story that has nothing to do with tom brady's footballs. germany defeated argentina at the final world cup match-up in rio de janeiro. behind the matches the fans, the spectacle was the backdrop of civil unrest. the tournament cost brazil $15 billion and many believe it should have been in schools, health care sanitation, not sports. under the are cry of there will be no cup protesters said the money would create shrines
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likely to be unfinished infrastructure projects. brazil spent millions on stadiums plagued by accidents over spending delays also resulted in nine building related deaths. the most expensive stadium in brazilia cost $550 million. today according to a report by npr it is a parking lot for buses. then there is the stadium which cost more than $200 billion to build and it was shut down after officials discovered structural problems. the stadium in natal has hosted weddings and kids parties and now is up for sale. brazil's own legend of soccer is now a congressman and called the world cup the biggest heist in the history of brazil. brazil will host the olympics in rio. spending is expected to top $15 billion. joining pe now sports editor for
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the nation magazine and author of the book "brazil's dance with the devil, the world cup, the olympics and the struggle for democracy democracy." you're not supervised. >> i ap not surprised. you mentioned some of the statistics. 250,000 people it is estimated displaced by stadium construction. there is an expression in brazil that statistics are like a man's thong. they show so much but they hide the most important parts. in this case the most important parts are an economic agenda of debt displacement and the militarization of public space that allowed soccer and the world cup to be used as a neo liberal trojan horse to push through infrastructure projects people would have otherwise rejected. the difference in brazil is in 2013 millions of people took to the streets to oppose this with a rather beautiful slogan. fifa, the organization that oversees fascial soccer says we want fifa-quality staid yups.
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that's their expression. it has to have all the amenities and people said, though we want fifa quality schools sh fifa quality hospitals, fifa quality jobs. they took to the streets in huge numbers. unfortunately their calls were not met with actual listening and change. they were met with a brutal counter offensive by the police, by the pill tear and now the olympics are coming in to'16. >> explain why the staid rp yums can't be re pursers purposed? why shouldn't it be world cup and olympics working together? >> the world cup and olympics don't go together like peanut butter and jelly. more like nuts and gum. the world cup is a national event. brazil is a country that's biggerer than the continental united states in terms of land. the pokes s olympics is in a city -- in rio. everything is rio-centric for the olympics. all of the stadiums built all over the country will be like
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bystanders looking at the olympics wondering why are you building now more stadiums and structures in rio when we are right here collecting dust. >> and buses. >> in the famous amazon stadium they were talking about converting it into an open air prison to deal with prison shortages in brazil. a politician put it forward. it's obviously meeting with great deal of protest. it is a stunning connection. people talk about the school to prison pipeline. what about the stadium to prison pipeline? >> that said for what we know now about how the big events -- olympics world cup there is a game on now to bring the olympics to boston. >> to boston. >> there is a lot of resistance in boston. the people pushing the boston 2024 bid haven't been honest with the with people of boston. the people of boston are organizing and protesting.
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i'm going up june 2 to speak about this. people are saying you know, we see what's happened in other places. we see the debt displacement and militarization. do we haver more of oh that? boston is a city which has seen a lot of displacement, gentrification. for them, they might call debt displacement and militarization a tuesday. it's like super sizing the urban issues people are dealing with in boston. >> making it super tuesday. >> exactly. super tuesday. we have had ideas about baltimore and building football and baseball stadiums as a substitute for urban policy. are you see it all over the united states. the olympics and world cup is the same economic agenda. with the same lies, nefarious tactics but it's super sized. >> is there a way to do it ethically? people love the world cup the olympics. they have to be somewhere. >> i think there is an ethical way. the best way to do it would be
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if you had permanent locales that could rotate between three different spots on the planet. we could think of nice politically correct areas. one in south africa, europe. >> rome. >> if you were able to rotate them to different areas you could justify actually spending for upkeep on the stadiums. the problem is go to beijing and you see the bird's nest that was the host of the 2008 olympics one of the most beautiful staid yums i have seen. it's now imploding, falling onto itself. or in greece, it is squatter housing for the homeless in greece. >> because we don't come back around. >> exactly. >> if boston did get the olympics and you got a big new staid yao ming tom brady how far a new place to deflate his balls. thank you for joining us talking sports. i do have a lot to ask about preakness and kentucky derby. up next, stum ables and tumbles of 2016.
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last night in des moines iowa there were 11 white house hopefuls with ten minutes each to make their case at the annual lincoln dinner. for the pleasure of mingling with the political big wigs and the reception iowans could pay $100 for general seating, a bargain when you consider the bill included among the ever growing field of official and potential candidates ben carson lindsey graham, bobby jindal, george pitaki, rick perry, rick santorum, donald trump and scott walkerment when you break it down that's ten speeches for $10 apiece. with each speech at ten minutes, seats at last night's event cost just $1 a minute. be wait. there's morement i said there were 11 gop hopefuls. that's right. the deal got better because after the week this man had,
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what political observer wouldn't want to see what he had to say next. >> many of y'all know me as george and barbara's boy, for which i'm proud. some of you know w is my broir. i'm proud of that, too. whether people don't like it or not they have to gets used to it. [ applause ] >> that's former florida governor jeb bush, how he capped off what's been the worst week of oh his running/not running/nonofficial campaign for president so far. it's worth noting nothing happened to governor bush this week. there is though news story that turned the political cycle against hem. there was no opposition research unearthed that cast a shadow over his candidacy. there was no race changing endorsement for one of mishis opponents. just stumbles and tumbles that came from littler more than speaking out loud. >> i'm running for president in 2016 and the focus will be about how with we -- if i run -- how
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do you create high sustained economic growth. >> whoops. the hashtag is not supposed to say "i'm running for president." forget the fact that speaker john boehner's press secretary just quit to move to miami and work for jeb bush's pac. we are still supposed to be pretending that the formerer florida governor is just thinking about running. if he says he is running there would be major are restrictions on the fund-raising he can do. socleaned up the "i'm running" comment but it was far from the biggest talking out damage control jeb bush had to do. here he is talking about the war in iraq. >> knowing what he know now would you have authorized the invasion? . >> i would have. so would have hillary clinton, just to remind everybody. so would have just about everybody confronted with the intelligence they got. >> oops. sure. it was his brother's war and all
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but in 2015 even on the republican side that's not the right answer. that was monday. here's tuesday. >> so in other words if in 2020 hindsight, you would make a different decision? >> yeah. i don't know what that decision would have been. that's a hypothetical. but the simple fact is that mistakes were made, as they always are in life. this is not an informed policy. we need to learn from the past to make sure we are strong and secure going forward. >> nope nope. that didn't fix it. acknowledging mistakes were made in the iraq war at this point is basically politically akin to saying we want a better future for our children. it's not a bold stance. on wednesday governor bush took one more shot at it. >> when i was governor i got to -- i felt a duty -- i didn't have to -- to call all of the family members of people who lost their lives. going back in time talking about hypothetical what would have happened, what could have happened i think does a
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disservice for them. >> can we get one more pass of this? let's look at thursday. >> if we are all supposed to answer hypothetical questions, knowing what we know now, what would you have done, i would have not engaged, i would not have gone into iraq. >> oh, there it is. knowing what we know now i would not have engaged. one question, four days, four answers. . we finally got there, even if governor bush had to stumble there. he also learned one of the most important lessons of running for president. it's hard. you have to answer hard questions. and you are expected to have the answers. real answers that show us that you think about them. not just that you have practiced lines droned out to do damage control. if you want to be our oh president, you should not be getting anointed. you have to win. mr. bush of course is still only thinking about it. maybe this this week gave him more thinking to do. was the 100% electric e-golf.
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a new study from a team of london researchererings is the most comprehensive analysis ever attempted for american pop music. they ran every single that charted on the bill board 100 over the past 50 years to search for a recurring trend. they found that american pop music's evolution has been defined by distinct moments of musical revolution and that america's most influential revolution eclipsed even the 1960s british rock and roll invasion led by bands like the beatles and the rolling stones. according to the researchers the explosion in popularity of hip-hop in 1991 was the single most important event that has shaped the musical structure of the american charts. of course that's probably old news to long-time hip-hop heads but what makes the study unusual is it looked at digital analysis rather than stories and history to uncover the cultural influences of pop music.
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here in nerdland there are few things we love more than a study with meaty quantity today ty fall ses . also cultural revolutions aren't necessarily built on chord patterns and tone. in the case of rock and roll and hip hop the shifts in pop music were driven by young people who heard in the songs their own counter cultural sound track. sex, drugs and rock and roll were embraced by 19 # 0s youth who chafed against the norms and standards of the generation bf. in the next decade hip-hop came from new york's south bronx that gave voice and experience to black and latino youth. both genres have now come a long way from their anti-establishment beginnings. what happens to revolutionary music when it worker's compensation become it is music of the main stream? joining me jessica desu known as fm supreme. alan light contributor for the new york times andle rolling stone magazine.
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alicia gardener, a music credit for usa today and christopher john farley, seen yor editorial director for features at that time wall street journal and author of game world. i want to talk about the research for one second. it's fascinating the idea of the sonic influence being the way you would measure influence. what do we think of it as a strategy? >> it demonstrates the desire and limitations and fallacy of using data analysis to deal with es at the time technical and cultural history. so much of the impact of something like the beatles -- and let's start with these are both revolutionary phenomenon that transformed the world. there is not a question. when you are talking about the beatles you are talking about a group that introduced the idea of being a band to the world. writing your own songs. the idea that you would change and evolve as a pop artist album to album. none of that will show up in a quantifiable statistical analysis. these are things that trance former presidented the very way
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that music is made. >> i laugh because of the controversy around marvin gaye and robin thicke which was adjudicated by looking at the patterns of the music rather than the point that marvin gaye's music is influential in the ways we normally think of influence. what does it mean to say hip-hop is more influential than even the london invasion? spp we have to talk about it a little bit and acknowledge that comparing these apples and oranges things is ridiculous. is impressionism better than surrealism? i don't know. it is important and interesting that we acknowledge that hip-hop is on that level. was iter more influential than rock? we have a serious decision about that. we should talk about the methodology of the study. looking at the billboard 10 oh 0, is that the best representation about what's going on in american music or world music? probably not. that's the stuff that's selling. we all know by their very
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natures these are under ground art forms. the real stuff that's changing things, change ing the worlding changing the game is often the under ground stuff. the mixed tapes alternative stuff. before it bubbles up to the main stream. >> that's part of what i was wonderingment if this is indicative of the failure of hip-hop. the idea of hip-hop being flun sal in the top 100 when i think about the kind of authenticity claims initially made around hip-hop being we don't want to be in the top 100. we are not here to sell music. >> on the other hand, i can't think of a modern rock equivalent for somebody like jay-z, for example. he's so aspirational and ambitious. the beatles really transcended genre. when you're dealing with a lot of artests who have come up since, snaernl the '80s the biggest artists, madonna, prince, michael jackson. you wouldn't call them new wave, rock and roll or pop.
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in the hip-hop now we have artists with strong individual voices who represent -- who are cultural icon this is ways i can't think of a single rock and roll artist who means that much individually. >> also they are millionaires and billionaires, too. hip-hop has been about are from the beginning these folks wanted to not just -- wasn't about selling out. it was about buying in. people like kanye west jay-z -- >> but kanye west and jay-z aren't the beginning of hip-hop. >> right. >> part of what's interesting to me is the idea of the millionaire when in fact, initially part of the authenticity of oh it was rooted in communities of poverty. >> absolutely. i want to say i think the study -- you asked how the study was created with the whole sonic peace or whatever. the study shows what we already knew. in the words of dr. michael eric die son it went from int wags to
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empirical evidence. it's great that the study shows that. when i think about hip hop and the cultural influence from jay-z to whomever, sean comb s, when jay-z i got obama on the text right? now we have an executive office. started in the late '70s with d.j. hollywood africa cool herb, it's now still here. only 45 years old. >> 41. i was born the same year as hip-hop. but the idea of hip- hop being 40. the fact that you point to jay-z who ain't 20. no matter with a the lyrics are. young not in the sense of music. eldererly in the sense of the -- >> i think that's a thing we wait for in a lot of ways. when you look at hip-hop being around, 35 years on the pop charts. rock and roll was around 35 years on the pop charts it was it was 1990. there was no sense this was
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oppositional. that this was -- that was mass cull you are temperature. this was now a generation. there is no question arnt that. >> the boomers aren't on oh sigsal anymore. >> one of the things that speaks to the great power of hip-hop is it has retained some sense of on oh sigsal culture. some sense of you know, not just sub cultural but counter cultural. this many years in the game. that's ap amazing thing to think about. at the same time what we are waiting for is what's the punk rock for hip-hop? what's the thing that looks at how big and how mass this has grown and shakes it up to get back to some of the things it came from. >> is it kendrick lamar? >> maybe. >> there are great artists. what will transform it at this mature stage? >> stick with us. we can keep talking about this. i like the idea of trance for maegs. i wonder if it is in the synergy between rock and hip-hop when we come back.
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so we have been talking about how in the movement from the margins to the main stream hip hop and rock and roll have are softened some of the counter cultural edges. perhaps no one showed how to bring music to the masses than the american music acon we lost this week. b.b. king died thursday at the age of 89. over the course of his six decade-long career has reigned as america's king of the blues. along with his beloved electric gier tar lucille brought main stream acceptance and international prominence to the blues owned of the mississippi delta. le president obama underscored the reach of oh king's influence in a statement this week saying, "no one worked harder than b.b. p, no one inspired more up and coming artists, and no one did more to spread the gospel of the blues." by invoking gospel and blues and the pemry of the rock influences, i guess part of it is that question. what's next out of the thing
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that's hip-hop? i'm wondering if some of it is fusion. i'm original hip-hop. i love run dmc and aerosmith as the first moment. lincoln park and jay-z. for me these are moments that i love seeing them come together. >> there have been a bunch of those where it's like you have a big beat, i have a big beat. we can do it together. i don't love the stuff we have heard kanye and paul mccartney have been working on together. i but it is interesting they are working on something more nuanced, more about bringing these approaches together. not just piling one on top of the other and doing a different sort of emotion around that. there is an interesting thing happening with country and hip-hop. both sort of working class based music that we have seen either jason aldean and ludicrous or -- >> to the extent hip hop is
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increasingly southern it will have -- >> that feels more organic. my question is, to go back to the beginning is if we are talking about hip-hop and the beatles it's 50 years later and we are still listening to beatles songs. 65 years later and we are still listening to early b.b. king. are there hip-hop songs, artists we'll still care about 30, 40 years down the line. >> i think artists like emcee. hip hop's influence is so strong paul mccartney is a beatle but you have people like who is the old white guy with kanye west. they have no idea. it shows how fame -- everything is for a time. see i used to intern at warner brothers and seymour stein talks about how hip-hop documents time. the music is very relevant. it has to come out fast because it is documenting what's happening. i'm from chicago. drew music rock is
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revolutionary. hip-hop is evolutionary. we don't know where it is going. drew music in chicago is actually really gang infested. drugs and violence. the king louiss these titles came out of what they are seeing, what they witnessed. when i went to london for the international peace movement i went by poois. i was on the train and i heard the music. he's listening to chief keith. he said what do you know about it. i said i'm from chicago. it shows you how people in the hoods are connected is. >> when i first started traveling that was the thing most stunning was to stand in a south african club in cape town. what i heard was hip-hop. part of what i would be interested in is maybe i'm in the wrong clubs. are they spinning rock still in global -- >> i think that's a good question. we are talking about country-western, hip-hop, pop.
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we're really not talking rock and roll as much these days. it has to do with the fact that who is the modern rock star? the equivalent of paul mñccartney? do we have one now? >> do we? >> i don't know. we went through a period in the late '80s and '90s with indy rock are and a big commercial way. there was almost the idea that it was gauche to be a pop starment i don't know if rock has fully recovered from that. >> the very idea of being a rock star -- in certain ways hip-hop stars are performing the thing that is being a rock star. are right? >> they are ambitious. aspirational. >> you can be cool and establishment at the same time. >> what i find interesting is at the beginning of hip-hop people thought it was a fad. we have seen people last over teem and still have tremendous cultural influence. think of l.l. cool j. still doing it. on tv, huge influence.
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kanye west, jay-z. the list goes on and on. dr. dre is 50 years old and people are waiting to see what he'll produce next. >> ice cube becomes -- my kid knows ice cube from fun family movies. and latifah. they turned into things other than. >> hip-hop has had a huge influence on hollywood in a way rock and roll hasn't. the sound tracks maybe. but it's hard to name more than one or two rock stars who have become actors we respect. you can name a hundred actors -- even marky mark is a great actor. that's the power of hip-hop. >> hip-hop, today came in as characters. even with other names. >> right. >> if they were going to transform into a movie star tv host billionaire technology mogul, you can see them shape shift. when mick jagger was on screen playing a part you could never get past, that's mick jaggerer
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up there. >> you always came with a separate identity. in fact one of the identities fm supreme will do something amazing for us next. i want to say thank you to alan light, jennifer gardener. we could go on and on. fm supreme is sticking around. you won't want to miss her performance after the break.
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and find answers to your questions. you can even check your connection status on your phone. now it's easier than ever to manage your account. get started at is the academic center i direct hosted a symposium on gender, nationality and hip-hop. one of the most compelling voices belonged to chicago artist jessicady sue also known as fm supreme. jessica's organizing a major conference of her own in her hometown of chicago a call to action for young people in chicago throughout the united states and across the worlded to craft communities rooted in more peaceful and just ways of being. to call together a new
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generation for mentoring and movement building, fm supreme wrote this original piece and here to sthar it with us this morning. >> in the beginning was the word. and the word was with god and the word was god. the word was with god in the beginning. chicago, your bridges were built on backs of men who adored you. they named you chicago metaphorical for great strength. allured by your scent of wild onions embraced and claimed you. in 1832 your choo ef was defeated. black hawk who wrote profuse love letters. he wrote profuse love letters to fellow tribesmen apologies for failure. you see my mother had me in the late '80s. chicago birthed me like her baby. our city guided after 1919 after white men drowned can eugene for crossing the invisible colored line at the beach. our children see more cemeteries
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than graduations, more prison bars than convocations. and they wonder why our youth express rage and violence across this nation. my brother asked news 2013 that's the word can we dream together, can we dream together. now i ask the same thing. our sons dream dreams not in words but kings in words, daughters give birth to things like vision. chicago that be my mission. the light keeps giving. speaking life not death you shall leave and not die, live and not die. hold your head up black boy, hold your head up brown girl hold your head up brown boy. we need you strong to survive. it the term chirac is suicide. a generation. the term chirac is suicide a generational genocide, a cultural divide. spike lee. and what we need is a cultural shift. and i still believe and we still believe and we know that
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education is key. chicago, need your help in our streets. it takes a village for a village has raised me. i'm grateful for him like mhp. raising women like me. peace. >> fm. so tell us a little bit more, when is the event. >> absolutely. our conference is june 4th through the 6th happening in chicago at the chicago theological seminary organizing 300 young people from chicago public schools, gathering 125 millenial leaders from across the country ja mir, caress hughs, ashley ellis, myself amongst others. our global millenial leaders will be serving as a leadership training committee to train our young people. we were inspired after reading dr. king's why we can't wait he wrote in birmingham -- him and andy young and his colleagues were organized and had a teams. we decided to bring these leaders to chicago who are at
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the forefront of the social justice movement to help our young people organize themselves for peace in chicago. >> dr. king used to talk about the importance of being creative creatively maladjusted not evening adjusted to racism, not to sexism not being adjusted to the violence of police and that creative maladjustment always has a sound track. what's your sound track? >> absolutely. sound track we're listening to is just different. honestly it's the youth. i make music but more about pushing it the positive muse out of our cities. i'm inspired by the young artists on the underground pushing for peace. i believe we can reframe the narrative about violence in chicago, change the narrative from chiraq to chicago world peace. this vision is coming to pass june 4th through the 6th in chicago. we need people supporting. we believe this is going to be it. >> i've been following you. i love you have been traveling internationally, you see this as a global effort. it's all rooted back home in
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