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in north carolina remains very, very, very interesting and alive as an investigation. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. of booking your own show. >> where you actually personally place the call? >> yeah. you personally make it happen. >> i'm terrible at it. i have never done it because i always fail. i have never done it. i did it today. and you know my friends. they are not accustom to the deadlines of live tv. so i might be sitting here with 20 minutes to kill at the end of the show. so if you could kindly phone in, because we could do a phone chat if i need you. >> i do. i have a dinner date with susan, but i can bring my iphone and we can face time it. >> thank you. today, elizabeth warren was asked if she would run for hillary clinton if hillary clinton did not oppose president obama's trade deal.
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and ruth bader ginsburg performed another same-sex major weekend. the happy couple will join us. and we will have some special insights into just how david letterman did it the from someone who helped him if that someone shows up. >> i'll have to ponder it, but i will put it on my list for due consideration. >> hillary speaks. until today, hillary clinton had taken zero questions from the media in the past three weeks. >> i know that there have been a lot of questions about the iraq and posted candidates in the past week. >> was it a mistake to go to war with iraq? >> i understand, but that's not the same question. >> if you're not criticizing iraq because you're afraid of dick cheney, take a drink of water, but be subtle about it. oh, no! >> getting into these what might have beens is not a productive exercise. >> i've made it very clear that i made a mistake, plain and
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simple. >> but what's important is what are the lessons that you learned? >> what we now see is a very dangerous situation. >> she refused to take a position. >> i want to judge the final agreement. >> we want some transparency on this. >> we're going to press forward this week. >> we're being asked to grease the skids for a deal that's basically done. >> i cannot understand why the president has pushed this deal so hard. >> has it reached a personal level? >> it is not personal. >> of the american people. >> i don't know if you're like me, but you keep forgetting we're gone in two days. >> after 33 years, innovation, fun and just plain weirdness. >> i'm just going to guess what you're going to be up to. two words, space camp. >> well, it was hillary clinton's turn today to answer the biggest question of the presidential campaign season. but no one actually asked her, so she decided to answer it, anyway.
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>> look, i know that there have been a lot of questions about iraq posted to candidates over the last weeks. i've made it very clear that i made a mistake, plain and simple. >> hillary clinton has had more time to practice answering this question than any other presidential candidate. here is how she handled it in her first run for president in 2007. >> obviously, if i had known then what i know now about what the president would do with the authority that was given him, i would not have voted the way that i did. >> today was coming from governor scott walker said this about president bush's decision to go to war in iraq. >> any president, i don't care which party, given that information at the time would have made a similar decision. heck, even hillary clinton, a member of the united states senate at the time voted for the resolution voting for action in iraq. i think it made sense at the time with the information given us.
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>> scott walker blamed the islamic state takeover on ramadi on president obama and hillary clinton. >> we see the fruits of the poor decision making by this president and by hillary clinton's advice from counsel in this regard to move -- to move the united states out of a strong position in iraq. largely, i believe, for political reasons to fulfill promises made by this president in the primary, all the way back 2008. that's not what the -- that's knot what the military required at the time and we see in the last few days major portions of iraq falling to control of isis and the islamic state, which just puts us in a much more destabilized position, not just in iraq, but throughout that region and around the world. >> today, hillary clinton said this about the fall of ramadi. >> the united states is doing what it can, but ultimately, this has to be a struggle that the iraqi government and the iraqi people are determined to win for themselves.
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and we can provide support, but they're going to have to do it. >> joining us now, david axelrod, msnbc senior political analyst and former obama senior adviser. phyllis, from the institute of policy studies and joy reid, msnbc national corespondent. david, hillary clinton has been down this road before on the issue of how she voted on the iraq war. so it looks like at this point, she's the only presidential candidate who has been really ready for this. >> well, she certainly gave a very simple and direct answer to the question today. i made a mistake. and it was painful to watch jeb bush last week go through all those iterations on a question that he surely knew was going to come. but i do agree with the point that, you know, that's the interesting question of the week. the more important question is what did you learn from it? what are the lessons you derived from it? because some of the very same people who led us down that road
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would lead us into other escapades now. and you look at jeb bush's advisory committee. i think the candidates ought to be asked what did you learn from that, now what you would have done, but what would you do in the future? >> and joy reid, now we have the republicans arguing over who gets credit for the islamic state and they're saying that's c64ñ completely the creation of president obama and now hillary clinton. >> yeah. it's funny that there was no al qaeda in iraq when vice president dick cheney was claiming that there was a link between saddam hussein and 9/11. but once we went in and destabilized the country, there was a guy that we had under guard in iraq and iraq and al qaeda sprang up because we invaded in iraq. i don't think there's really much arguing about that. i think every military mind who isn't somehow in league with the bush administration admits that was a tremendous foreign policy mistake, probably the biggest foreign policy mistake in a generation, created al qaeda in
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iraq which is now isis. there is really no argument about that. i think for the republicans, though -- look, if you are hillary clinton, being the junior senator from new york made it probably incredibly difficult as a woman running for president to walk away from a vote in favor of authorizing any kind of military action after 9/11. but guess what? she was a customer. the seller was the bush administration. >> her predecessor, senator moynihan voted against the first iraq war. and you'll recall, phyllis, on that first vote after iraq invaded kuwait, the debate in the senate was kind of an honest debate in the sense that nobody attacked each other's motives. and i think there was something close to 40 votes against it in the senate for that first venture into iraq. and then after 9/11, all those votes disappeared. >> that's absolutely right. and it's part of the problem of what happened when you have a
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president whose position becomes immediately to respond to an act of extraordinary international crime. this was a crime against humanity. and his response was to say this is an act of war. we are going to respond with war. we are going to take the world to war. you're earth with us or you're with the terrorists. so what the american people were offered and what congress was offered was this idea that you either let them get away with it or you go to war. there's no alternative. and unfortunately, that dichotomy, that it's either war or nothing, is what has stuck and it's what we see today. we are not seeing, for example, a real debate in congress over the question of authorizing the use of military force. we're only talking about what are the terms under which we would authorize it. not whether or not to authorize military force at all, despite the consistent claims from president obama, from members of congress, from everyone. there is no military solution. >> if there is no military solution, why are we going to war?
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>> and it was war against the wrong people. i remember doing a fellowship in 2003 in which we went to the pentagon and talked to those folks. they would make this immediate turn from 9/11 to iraq as if there was some causal link. and there was zero, none. there was absolutely no link between 9/11 and iraq. >> many people said it at the time. this was not a situation where if we knew then what we know now. some of us knew then what we know now. it just wasn't admitted. just wasn't acknowledged. one of those people who knew then is barack obama who is a young senator running for the u.s. senate opposed the resolution in advance because he said it would launch a war of undetermined cost, undetermined length and undetermined consequences and his principal concern was he thought it would unleash sectarian warfare in iraq. >> and what he's doing now is making it worse, not better. >> let's listen to what republican robert gates said this morning about the republican presidential candidates.
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>> what's important is what are the lessons that you learn from the mistakes that were made and where do we go from here? one of those lessons, it seems to me, is we overestimate or ability to shape events there. another lesson is that the law of unintended consequences is always present, especially in the middle east. i think those are the kinds of lessons we need to learn. >> david axelrod, go ahead. >> what i was going to say is, the -- an honest debate about what's going on right now would really was on hillary's side of this argument today and we all should focus on this problem. we still have the sectarian strife in iraq. we still have a government that's unwilling to work with the sunnis, the shia government that's unwilling to work with the sunnis and that's why you have this constant instability and until -- i agree with what phyllis said. until there's a political agreement, it's going to be
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very, very tough. that said, we have a situation there where you have instability with isis. they represent a threat. and we have some responsibility to help the iraqis in that pursuit. >> but they represent a threat to the people in iraq and syria. they're not a threat to us. our own intelligence people have said there is absolutely zero evidence that isis is planning anything here in the united states. so we need to be clear. this is not about a threat to the united states. this is about maintaining u.s. control in an arena where our war is what gave rise to isis. that's what allowed isis to be created. and by saying there is no military solutions, but going ahead with military actions as the only part of the strategy that gets any attention, any money, any high level debate and discussion, we're guaranteeing failure. >> so phyllis, what is your -- what is your suggestion, then,
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about should we simply allow isis to run wild when that region -- >> no, no. >> they're not headed into libya. >> this is like -- >> what should we do about it? >> this is exactly the offer that we were given by george bush. we either go to war or we do nothing. those are not the only choices. there are issues of diplomacy, issues of negotiation. massive resettlement and money that the u.s. is not making good on its pledges. there is a need to reopen the united nations efforts both inside syria in the effort to create small scale cease-fires. all of these need to get the kind of high level attention and the money that right now is going only to -- >> but none of them suggest a solution to the central problem. >> none of them are an immediate solution, but all of them are required to have a real solution that's going to last. what we're doing now is trying to put out forest fires while we're building a much bigger fire. >> okay. we're going to have to --
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>> we have to stop that military part the. >> phyllis, thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, former senator from massachusetts john kerry takes on the current senator from massachusetts, elizabeth warren over president obama's pacific trade deal. .yea dulcolax tablets can cause cramps but not phillips. it has magnesium and works more naturally than stimulant laxatives. for gentle cramp free relief of occasional constipation that works! mmm mmm live the regular life. i will take beauty into my own hands. olay regenerist.
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emergency officials and exxon mobil reps are on the scene of an oil spill off the coast of santa barbara county tonight. a ruptured pipeline has delivered a four-mile long, 50-yard wide sheen of oil along the beach. coast guard crews have been able to shut down that pipeline and stop the leak. it is unclear exactly how much oil spilled into the ocean or what kind of oil. and at this hour, local officials are very worried about how that spill might drift. when we come back, john kerry versus elizabeth warren today.
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and the best part? the 2015 gla. it's 100% mercedes-benz. today, senator elizabeth warren was asked if she would run for president if hillary clinton does not oppose president obama's trans-pacific trade bill. elizabeth warren did not say no. >> let me ask you this. if she does not oppose the trans-pacific partnership at the end of the day, are you going to consider whether or not you could endorse her and whether or not you could reassess a run for president? >> peter, what i think you're asking me is does this matter to me. the answer is it matters to millions of workers across this country. it matters to millions of people who have to breathe the air and drink the water. it matters to millions of people who are going to eat food here in the united states.
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so yeah, the trade deal matters to me. >> is it big enough that it could sway who you back in this presidential -- >> i'm just saying the trade deal matters. it does. >> we're joined now by annie linski, reporter for the "boston globe." david axelrod, i listened very carefully for elizabeth warren to say oh, no, no, that wouldn't make me run for president. i didn't hear it. >> no. and perhaps she would. i think from the beginning here, she's not said definitively that she wouldn't run. and i think she knows she's got a great deal of leverage in the debate right now by not answering that question. even if it's her intent not to run. i think what she's doing, however, is putting hillary clinton in a position where it's going to be much harder for hillary to take the position she wants. because it will look as if she is acting out of fear of a warren candidacy rather than on the merits and it's particularly
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sticky for her having been the secretary of state when this -- when this process of negotiations began to -- began on the agreement. >> david axelrod, there's a guy from chicago who has just kind of barged in here. i'm going to put him aside. but bill murray, you know, i told people there might be a surprised guest tonight, but he's like a wicked unreliable guy. no, this guy. do you mind if we finish talking about elizabeth warren and hillary clinton? >> elizabeth warren? >> yeah. >> get to that now. >> and you're not going to leave, right? >> no. i am jim downey in the room. >> we'll have a little chat. >> good to see you. >> thank you very much for doing this. >> really appreciate it. >> all the best. >> david, the chicago guys, they just -- >> i know. he's -- i'd rather talk about the cubs, anyway.
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so bring him back. >> we can do that. so, david, what i was struck by was just how artfully she turned that question, you know, refused the frame of it and used it exactly the way she wanted to. >> no. look, she's very -- she's very skillful and, you know, that is a -- that was great populist rhetoric and, you know, she is -- she is clearly the point person on this fight. and the supporters of the agreement, the president and others, need to address those concerns. i know the president well. he got his start in steel mills outside of steel mills that had shut down here in chicago. he republiced an industrial midwestern state that was pummeled by the impacts of this of some. so he's very sensitive to these issues. he argues strongly that they are crafting an agreement that takes those concerns into -- into consideration.
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and he has to make that case. and hillary is going to have to make that case if she supports this agreement. but my point is, it's a very politically difficult position because if she doesn't support the agreement now, it's going to look like she was knuckling under to -- elizabeth warren. >> you know, that question that you asked, you know, is elizabeth warren going to run for president and is she holding that -- you know, the answer to that question hostage. but i would say, you know, at the "boston globe," we have asked her this question repeatedly for the last three years. and her answer has really been unwavering. i just want to be clear with your audience here. she has said she will finish her senate term, that she won't run for president and she isn't running for president. and then at the globe, we go a level beyond and we're talking to all the people who would be advising her and all the donors who would be giving to her. and they are all saying under no uncertain terms here, she's not going to run.
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so it is something that is very -- we're keeping a close eye on, but i think that david is right, she is just using this, this notion that she could run to have leverage in this debate and she's done that incredibly well. you think about her, she's this first term senator from massachusetts and has accumulated so much power so quickly. and i think that, to me, isn't what's fascinating. but just be like the question, is she going to run or not has been answered at this point. >> you did a great piece the other day in the globe -- >> thank you. >> -- about the technique and how carefully she chooses the particular issues to have public fights on. and just how carefully she's doing that. and it's chosen for visibility and for -- at this stage, apparently, rhetorical impact. because she doesn't really have a win yet on anything. >> well, she doesn't. antonio wise --
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>> she killed his nomination, but he works in the treasury every day in an appointed job that didn't require senator confirmation after elizabeth warren killed that. >> that's true. but every one of these fights, whether she wins or not, her power grows. that is what is so stunning about her. and the people we talked to for that story, again and again, they said she is only talking about the issues that she knows extraordinarily well and she doesn't deviate at all. and i always had the question, you know, is that a problem, right? is that a problem that you have a senator from massachusetts who is only really talking about one issue and massachusetts is a pretty big place. and to the person everyone has said no. she's picked kind of the issue of the day to be the expert on and that is what has catapulted her into such a place of influence. >> let me get -- go ahead, joy. >> i was just going to say, i think with elizabeth warren we are at the would you could you with a fox stage with her because i find it extraordinary what it says about our politics
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and our media that everything she does does not have to be about her running for president. it could be possible that elizabeth warren desires to be an incredible evidencely consequential senator like the late senator ted kennedy, that perhaps she is not doing this as some sort of a reduce to jump into the democratic nomination. she has said umpteen times she's not running for president. i'm not sure how many other ways she can say it. but i think when she jumps into a policy fight, the reflex of the media is are you doing this because you want to run for president? it could be she wants to be unconsequential. >> talking about the deal at boeing in real specifics, i just want to play one quick line from it where he basically took on every criticism elizabeth warren has of the trade deal. but this was the issue of it being a so-called secret trade deal and he harkens back a couple of hundred years for his example on this. let's listen to this. >> senators who are unhappy
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about this might recall the locked doors and closed windows that marked america's constitutional convention 228 years ago, without which we wouldn't even have a senate today. >> david axelrod, is the secretary of state, the former massachusetts senator, going to be the point man now on this battle with elizabeth warren? >> well, i think he certainly needs to be out in front of it. i think there's a feeling on the part of the president on the secretary of state and others who have been working on this that it's important and that it's ultimately a net win for working people and for the american economy. and it's a necessity for it. so i hope that when all the fog clears, there's a debate on the substance of this and not characterizations of the substance of this. but i'll say this about elizabeth. she's been on the side of the middle class on this issue for years and years and years and now everybody else is discovering this issue and they're looking to her as kind of an oracle on it. >> david axelrod, annie linski
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and joy reid, thank you for joining me tonight. this is normally the spot in the show where we tell you what's coming up. what else do i have to say, if we can get a camera over there, you're going to find a guy who worked in this building, a couple of guys worked in this building for a very long time. former "saturday night live" writer and former head writer of the david letterman show, jim downey, and his old office roommate from "saturday night live." that is, i think, bill murray. is that bill murray over there? yeah, that's bill murray. we'll be back. we all enter this world with a shout and we see no reason to stop. so cvs health is creating industry-leading programs and tools that help people stay on medicines as their doctors prescribed. it could help save tens of thousands of lives every year. and that would be something worth shouting about. cvs health, because health is everything.
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well, we have a brand new segment entitled me in two weeks. take a look. >> a new york man is facing charges all because he couldn't get macaroni and cheese at a rest stop. >> as you know, david letterman takes his final bow tomorrow night, a couple of blocks from here at the ed sullivan theater. joining us now, the guy would is going to be sitting there with him, bill murray. and who -- is this your security guy? >> this is my friend, jim downey. >> who was a great head writer of the show for many years. and when i first arrived -- >> letterman. >> after letterman, i was like -- but he was really the head writer for "saturday night live." and when i first came to "saturday night live," they gave
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me an office and it was with this guy. they put the two illinois guys together. and i honestly didn't understand for a very long time, but then he -- but he didn't live in judgment at all. he was just the sweetest and most wonderful as well as being the smartest. >> now, you know, when you were sitting over there and we were going to the break, i'm not sure that we picked up that your chair fell over there. >> i think it broke. >> the audience must have seen it. >> but the chair broke. that's what happened. >> this is like you in the middle of an nfl game who has just been, you know, hurt. >> i just did the letterman show and then went to dinner, had oysters, red wine, duck and -- >> and red wine. >> and grass fed -- and rushed here to do your show just because jim said that you wanted him to come on the show. would you mind coming.
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so i said, you know, you know -- >> i think you're doing great. you're doing great and when he said would you come, it wasn't a question. sweetest guy in television. >> your girls here, those brutal -- i don't know where you get these women that push people around. >> the handlers, yeah. >> god, they pushed me in that chair and the chair was not balanced properly and i went down and hurt myself properly. >> not the first time you've been injured in this building right? >> you know, i don't -- >> there have been other complaints about that chair, that's my understanding, that were ignored. so i don't know. >> that will be in the litigation. >> yeah. >> so you may not remember this, but we were -- when jim was offered the head writer job at letterman, we were talking about it. we were all upstate and we're playing tennis in jim's tennis court. and we were talking about should he take this job. and i remember thinking, i don't know, a late night talk show? you know, why would you want to
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do that. you were kind of encouraging him to do it. and when you decided to do it, did you -- did you have a good feel for what you were getting into? i mean, did you think this is a version of saturday night, but it's a five days a week? >> i didn't think it was very much like "saturday night live," but i loved letterman's mind and the humor. and the personal who actually introduced me to letterman was my mother, who you knew, lawrence, and bill knew. who called me about his morning show in the summer of 1980 and said this is the funniest show, so much funnier than the show you work on. so i started watching it and i just -- i loved it. and i -- i was aware of who david was from his -- he used to guest host for carson. and so when the show started up, i got a call, like they wanted -- they were interested if i wanted to write for the show. and i was actually tied up with a prior commitment. but i just wanted to meet dave
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so i said, yeah, yeah, i am. so i went and had a meeting with him and brought in some material and they offered me the head writing job. because i know merrill marco, who ended up being the creator of the show, really did not want to be david's girlfriend and the head writer of the show. >> and you wanted to be dave's girlfriend and the head writer of the show. >> yeah, but that was not going to happen clearly from the first meeting. >> that's a lie. that's a lie. >> okay. but i said that i -- as soon as i could finish this project, i would come back and do it. and so i joined the show later, like end of the summer of '82. but that's the only problem we discussed with you. but i didn't know if i'd be good at that kind of thing, but i loved dave's show. i loved him, you know. >> let's take a look, 33 years ago or whatever it was, 30 something years ago, your first shot on with dave.?q> >> where are -- >> it's somewhere here. >> the control room, it says on
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a -- >> hi, bill. >> hi. >> how's it going? >> good. >> thanks for being on the show. >> i missed the first part of the show, by the way. what happened? is it going well? i know this is the first show and i think this guy needs a little support. dave letterman. all right, okay. good. all right. okay. >> where were we? >> jim, how important were the guests? i know you guys were concentrating on the writing, the writing, the monologue, all that stuff. but these guys, in many ways, carried the show. in fact, when bill was on, in every way he carried the show. >> well, bill -- bill was a very important kind of guest because apart from everything else, bill gave the show credibility, you know, having him on. but, to be honest with you, for the most part, the guests were treated as, like, comedy objects that dave could -- could play
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off as not -- not as human beings in the normal sense, but as objects to goof off. and so billy was different, but we had a lot of strange people. i mean, the kind of people that we brought to america's attention were like peewee herman, paul rubins, brought the brother sky theodore, must now be deceased, i'm not sure. but very eccentric thyme type people and comics who were friends of dave's. you know, george miller who was also, unfortunately, deceased. >> what did it feel like there in the chair? when i'm looking at it, dave with you is part audience. part of him is just audience, sitting back enjoying this what you've come here to do as much as i am at home, and yet he's --
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he's part of what you're doing at the same time. >> it was a fun gig. it was a fun gig. it was -- it was fun because you were there and you saw that the ordinary guests on his show, especially in the early days, he would give you -- if you weren't funny and good in the first couple of minutes, good night, everybody. thanks very much. jim downey, thanks so much. jim downey. and you were gone like that. so if you weren't good, you were gone. and, you know, good for him. that was great. he set a standard. he set a tone. you had to be good. you didn't show up and go, yeah, jim has a movie coming up. good night, everybody. you were gone instantly. so it was fun, but the writers were really great on it, you know? and the thing about how game you were, the writers were -- guys like jim and, you know, steven --
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>> george meyer. >> george and people who would say how about this idea.? and because you reserved like a -- unfortunately you could say it was a movie star idiot, you could go, oh, it's cool. i always felt like, what the hell? let's play. because it was kind of like dave was -- you know, dave had to make his bones. you know, dave had to make his bones. and because he had been so severe with people already, you felt like, okay, these are the guys dave has chosen, his writers. you know, he's insisting that you be of this standard. i always felt, come on, let's try whatever you guys got. try whatever you guys got. those guys were extraordinary. they came up with great ideas. george and steve and jim. all these guys came up with great stuff. and you could -- because, you know, i don't think most people understand, but, you know, dave throws a part of himself out
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there. george and steve and jim throw part of their self and you throw a part of yourself. and the collective makes something that is better than any individual could have lsyz created. >> so then -- >> we've got commercials to do. we're going to be right back. >> all right. ladies and gentlemen, bill murray.
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♪ >> thank you. ♪ >> thank you, bill. >> i -- i'm so disappointed that you changed to come -- to come over here. so that's the taping earlier tonight that you did with dave. you're the final guest. and so talk about what that room was like tonight. obviously, the most important
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night that you've been there. >> well, if you've been watching -- >> i have been been. >> there's this amazing amount of power in the room. there's a lot of emotion in the room. even to think this is what i'll do and it will be funny and i talked with jim about what i was going to do. and he threw some things at me. everyone wants to be in on it. everyone has ideas. my friend, mitch, from california says oh, you should hand cuff yourself to dave. that was like a week ago. that was done a couple of days ago. so there are all kinds of people that want to be involved. everyone is feeling it. and dave is -- at some incredible level of capability right now. people come out and they can do anything. he's just so -- he just floats above everything. >> yes. >> he's really on a different plane than the rest of us right now. >> did you feel pressure tonight
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as the final guest? >> well, i know that pressure is a false thing. i know that it's a false thing. >> it's something you're doing to yourself. >> well, it's something other people do to you. i knew it was a false thing. and i kept feeling it. oh, my gosh, this pressure. all the crew. the crew wants you to really kill it. all these people whose jobs are going to end in two days. all these people. all these people whose viewing is going to end in two days want you to be so great. they want you really to be great. in my mind, i know that's all false. i can't accept that. i can't wear that out there with me. i have to be empty of all that and just sort of be with the guy. i did okay. certainly early on i was pretty good. i did okay to be his friend and his fellow professional for a while. but you probably watched a little better than i did after that. >> i thought you did great. and i thought that what -- with
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dave, it's always about he was always brutally honest. he never -- he had such an ethic about he never wanted to be like an [ expletive ] kissing kind of host who laughed along and suck you to -- he wanted to book guests that he could generally like, but he also wanted to treat them like the way you treat a friend who you tease gently, you rib them. but it's not -- it's not an angry or ugly thing. it's a -- and he finally achieved this period after a certain amount of time on the air where he became just the perfect talk show host because there was nothing false about it. you came on, he reacted in a normal human way, never fake. and he was -- it was always entertaining. he knew when he wasn't entirely supportive. and that's what made him different from everyone else who had ever done it before.
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and it made it -- when we were writing for him, what we were trying to do was we created things -- like we always felt like we were, like, making assists, you know? and it was dave who was thinking the three-pointer from the corner. but we were setting him up, putting him in a position where his mind, in that moment, would go to something brilliant. >> all right. i've got to get some commercials in. >> all right. >> oh, oh, oh. >> we can keep talking. we're allowed to talk during the commercials. >> they won't see it. >> no, no. >> it will be the goal. we can do the good stuff. >> are you dumping -- >> not at all. troducing miracle-gro liquafeed universal feeder. turn any hose connection into a clever feeding system for a well-fed garden. miracle-gro. life starts here.
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they were married this weekend by a supreme court justice, by ruth bader ginsburg. this is not her first time. she did the first same-sex wedding a few years ago, right? but you are the most recent and so this has just become a wedding party. >> get over here. get over here. congratulations. >> thank you. >> if you can make marriage work, god bless you. >> it's my first and my last, so i hope. >> okay, good. >> do you know jim downey? >> we just met. >> sorry. this was just a little thing to let the audience know we're still here. we've got some more commercials to do and we're going to come back after that. this is called a tease. the audience knows that. >> ahh. >> when i get ahold of that gay marriage ban, it's going to fall faster than madonna at the brit awards. they said justice is blind, but anybody can see, yeppers. automotive innovation starts... right here. with a control pad that
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justice. everyone is focused on something she said at your wedding. she said something at some point something like -- it's written down here somewhere else, but it was by the power vested in me by the united states constitution. is that the way she said insist. >> she said by the constitution of the united states and everybody screamed. >> yeah. because this suggests a possible preview to the supreme court decision basically making this constitutional in 50 states. >> well, i don't think she was revealing the whole thing to us. i think that was a little anti-climatic -- >> but as a wedding present, can you think of a better wedding present than, hey, here is a tip on what the supreme court is going to -- >> well, i would have bought something from williams sonoma. >> we got to register. sorry. we're not used to weddings yet. >> but she -- she waited a little bit afterwards.
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but i've known her for a long time, but we've never really discussed that particular subject, particularly at the moment. but it is coming up in a couple of weeks and i'm glad she didn't turn down the wedding. >> so, billy, the next time you give it a try, maybe we can get ruth bader ginsburg to provided. >> you know, it's wonderful. i don't want to -- i mean, congratulations. it's great. and all -- all the people that hope for validation, a legal validation to say love conquers all. love conquers all. it really does. there is no law, there's no constitution, there's no amendment that can say it's more powerful than love. and love, if you have love, god bless you. you know, let's go. let's go. take what you have and exchange
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it, pass it on to others. that's all we can all hope. >> thank you. >> so you guys are letterman fans, right? >> yes. >> which is why we're all here tonight. and do you have any -- do you have a favorite letterman moment? >> well, i just -- >> all of the bill murray -- >> i have a new one tonight, i do. >> that will be it forever for me now. that was pretty cool. that was pretty cool. >> yeah. jim, on dave before we go, i've got a couple of minutes left, he turned comedy. he turned a notch or two when he came in. we've never seen this before. can you describe it, what that was? >> well, he -- you know, he made -- he certainly made language much more important than it had been. he was -- i remember one quick
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story, if i can make it quick, we used to do a thing where we would -- we were obsessed with our own studio and we were renovating dave's desk one time. and adding a phone book caddie to his desk in the days when you needed a phone book. and i remember the studio stagehand is drilling the holes, dave is sort of like westfully watching him drill. and he goes, like, god, an electric drill. i mean, if our show -- if we got some budget for the show here, our plan was to always get ourselves a three-speed drill. and then if, god willing, the ratings really jump, a variable speed drill. >> all right. well, it is 11:00 p.m. we're out of time. we're into overtime. charles mitchem, michael khan, jim downey, bill murray, thank you all very much. hardball is up next. fog of war. let's play "hardball."
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good evening, i'm chris matthews. in washington i have to start clearing the air about the fight that we had last night right at top of the show. this is what i want to make clear. put aside every other aspect of the war we fought with iraq in 2003, focus on one incontestable reality. people with the bush administration said saddam hussein had a nuclear weapon. they said he not only possessed a nuclear weapon but had the ability to deliver it over vast stretches of territory. we know why they made that claim, why they said saddam had a nuclear weapon. they knew that a nuclear weapon in the hands of saddam was something no one could have the nerve to defend, and so they made the claim.


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