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accept their penalties in any way affect tom brady's appeal and your hearing of it? >> no. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we start with an environmental disaster in california. a ruptured oil pipeline near santa barbara leaked an estimated 21,000 gallons of crude oil on tuesday. oil flowed into the ocean leaving a thick coat of black tar along four miles of pristine california beaches. there is concern tonight the oil will continue to move south. at this hour it's unclear what caused the pipeline to break. nbc's curt hawkins has the latest from santa barbara. >> dark oil in the water. and on the sand. firefighters say the oil slick runs for miles along the southern california coastline. after an estimated 21,000 gallons poured from a large broken pipeline tuesday morning. >> there's two different slicks that total about nine miles. >> hundreds of feet from the beach, workers in a nearby field eventually stopped oil leaking
out of that pipeline into a culvert that drained into a pipe and fed out to the ocean. they deeply regret the spill and working to limit the environmental impact. >> we're sorry that this accidental release has happened. our focus remains on the safety of first responders and the protection of the environment. >> reporter: firefighters evacuated the beach close toast the spill site and a popular campground booked for the upcoming memorial day weekend. >> this is a beautiful part of california. and just a precious coastline. >> while fishing game officials say there has been no reports of wildlife killed or injured, santa barbara resident ed fuentes is still using this as a teachable moment for his kids. >> i wanted them to see it in real life. to see the scope of the damage. and how much it's going to impact our environment, probably for years to come.
>> an environmental impact many here say should have been prevented. >> federal, state, and local authorities are on the scene investigateing the cause of the leak and coordinating cleanup efforts. the california department of fish & wildlife has closed fishing and shelf fish harvesting of the area for the spill. the pipeline was built in 1991 to carry roughly 150,000 barls of oil a day. in comparison the proposed keystone xl pipeline would carry up to 130,000 barrels a day. for more on this spill, let's go to curt hawkins, an nbc news channel reporter. good to have you with us tonight. what are the cleanup efforts looking like at this hour? all hands on deck? what's it look like? >> well ed it really is all hands on deck. authorities here expect that this cleanup is expected to last
at least three more days. they're saying they haven't been able to verify the threat just yet. this is a very sensitive area for wildlife. this is where whales make their way to alaska. this is where there are rare sea birds and other endangered species. this is something they're following very closely. and they haven't been able to identify the exact impact that that will have. they're going to investigate the possibility of both criminal and civil charges and local county supervisors are saying this is a disaster and even a nightmare scenario. >> nightmare scenario possibly playing out. environmentalists who were on the scene, how do they describe it? >> a lot of them are concerned about the use of disbursants.
at this point, state officials say those are not being used. of course, environmentalists are following this very closely. in the late 1960s, there were three million gallons of oil spilled into this area so it's something that environmentalists have been following very closely. and even the local congresswoman issued a statement to that effect saying that sometimes oil and water and this pristine coastline don't exactly mix. >> curt hawkins reporting from santa barbara. appreciate it. aside from oil spills we know oil pipelines are a vehicle to climate change. the more fuel we burn the more greenhouse gases are emitted. earlier today, president obama spoke about climate change during his commencement address at the united states coast guard academy graduation. the president argued climate change and our national security are connected.
>> i'm here to say that climate change constitutes a serious threat to our national security an immediate risk to our national security. it will impact how our military defends our country. >> the president said climate change could play a role in destabilizing parts of the world. >> around the world, climb change increases the risk of conflict. the rising seas are already swallowing low-lying lands from bangladesh to pacific islands, forcing people from their homes. more intense droughts will exacerbate shortages of water and food. and create the potential for mass migrations and new tensions. all of which is why the pogt calls climate change a threat multiplier. climate change poses a threat to the radius of our forces.
many of our military installations are on the coast. around norfolk, high tides and storms increasingly flood parts of our navy base and an air base. in alaska, thawing permafrost is damaging facilities. out west wildfires could threaten training areas our troops depend on. so politicians who say they care about military readiness ought to care about this as well. >> "the ed show" recently featured in our climate change series, the naval base in norfolk which the president was talking about. we heard firsthand how climate change is impacting military readiness. >> naval station norfolk is the largest naval base in the world. sea level impacts the ability of the base to carry out its mission. for example, it can interfere with the peers where the spiers where
the ships are tied up. that interferes with the ability of the ships to do their training and maintenance. >> leaders agree climate change is here and it's already impacting the planet. on the flip side we have republicans in congress straight up denying science. >> it's kind of laughable right now. >> humans are not responsible for climate change in the way some of these people are trying to make us believe for the following reason. i believe the climate is changing because there's never been a moment where the climate is not changing. >> my view actually is simple. debates on this should follow science. and should follow data. and many of the alarmists have a problem because the science doesn't back them up. satellite data demonstrate there's been zero warming, none whatsoever. >> when republicans deny the science of climate change they are putting national security at risk. get your cell phones out.
i want to know what you think. tonight's question does climate change impact the readiness of our united states military? go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed and cast your vote. for more let me bring in the congressman who sits on the house armed services committee. good to have you with us tonight. what impact do you think climate change is having at this time on military readiness and national security? when you narrow it down, what you folks in congress do is allocate money for future projects procurement. how do you make these decisions, congressman, if you're looking at climate change, and then of course, you've got some deniers in congress as well. >> the congress of the united states is controlled by those who deny climate change. so for science, for the research necessary to understand what's happening on our climate, they've got the funding.
and they refuse in a bill that passed off the floor of the house, they refuse to allow any discussion and any science and anything about climate change. so we can carry forward, but we cannot use any of that information in any of the policies by the administrative agencies. this is really foolhardy. the president was at the coast guard academy. the coast guard, all of us know that there is a northwest passage today. already ships are passing through the arctic ocean. we are not able to get there because we have not been able to allocate the money, because of sequestration, because of republican budget cuts to build a heavy area. >> water supplies in the west. we're in a drought. is this drought related to
climate change? well, we've never had one quite this bad before the climate warmed up and we do know this. the ground is hotter. the weather is warmer. and whatever rain falls and snowfalls, it evaporates or melts more rapidly. >> the republicans always want to support the military. who can fault them for that in many respects? the bottom line is you're telling us tonight is there are places on the globe where our military can't go because of environmental changes because of the lack of funding. >> that's absolutely correct. you talk about the oil spill in california. big problem. california has not allowed any more oil drilling in its territory, three miles out, since the 1960s. yet in this year's national defense authorization act, there is a specific prohibition against the u.s. military using
any alternative fuels. any green fuels. can't use it. can't contract. cannot even think about using alternative fuels for oil. and that's solar. i mean what are these guys doing? it is the most obnoxious, obscene, and foolhardy policy you can imagine. but that's where they're driving the u.s. congress and these characters are in control. >> congressman, you saw the report we had just moments ago. how do you view this oil spill? is this -- you know is it bigger than it seems at this hour? how much of an impact do you think it's going to have? >> well it certainly has an impact. it has a political impact to be sure. again, the climate deniers in congress have passed legislation out of the house of representatives to open the east coast along the atlantic and all of the west coast to oil drilling. you want to have more spills? i guess they do because they want to open the west coast, areas that have been closed to drilling, they want to open it to drilling. in addition to that we've got a
pipeline problem. we have known we have hundreds of thousands of miles of pipeline in the united states and the agency that's supposed to regulate and oversee those pipelines underfunded. not given the authority and the resources it needs to make sure the pipelines are safe. so we get spills. in santa barbara we get spills on the yellow stone river, on the mississippi river. we get bursting pipes, gas pipes in california. people dying. and now we've got the oil trains running through our communities with highly volatile fuels. why? because we are addicted to oil. we need to move on from that. we need to move to these other sources of energy. >> congressman, great to have you with us tonight, sir. thanks so much. sits on the house armed services committee from california. remember to answer tonight's question at pulse.msnbc.com/ed. we'll have the results right after the break. you can follow us on facebook and you can watch my facebook feature give me a minute and you can get my video podcast at
wegoted.com. coming up big banks. do they really take a big hit? we'll look at the justice department's latest move to hold big banks accountable for illegal actions. but my question tonight, who's going to jail? and later, mitch mcconnell puts fast track back on track in the senate as opposition builds in the house. we're right back on "the ed show." ideas come into this world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful. you can call me shallow... but, i have a wandering eye. i mean, come on. national gives me the control to choose any car in the aisle i want.
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wall street. >> as a result of our investigation, four of the world's largest banks have agreed to plead guilty to felony antitrust violations. they've also agreed to pay criminal fines totaling more than $2.5 billion, the largest set of antitrust fines ever obtained in the history of the department of justice. the penalty that all of these banks will now pay is fitting, considering the long-running and e greemgous nature of their anti-competitive conduct. it's commensurate with the pervasive harm that was done and should deter competitors in the future from chasing profits without regard to the fairness to the law or public welfare. >> beginning as early as 2007. it's been described as a heads i win, tails you lose scheme. the federal reserve announced civil penalties of these five
banks plus bank of america. banks don't commit crimes, bankers do. as part of these settlements, no bank employees were hit with criminal charges. investigations are ongoing. there's clearly more work to be done here. joining me tonight is dennis keller, the president and ceo of better markets. also with us this evening is william cohen, author of the book "money and power." great to have you with us. you released a statement today, your organization saying until the feds personally and meaningfully punish actual executives and supervisors for their wrong doing, big banks will continue their crime spree. so where's the justice here? they're paying a fine but it doesn't seem like it's changed their behavior in the past. what's the future going to be like? a lot there. unpack it for us. >> hi ed, nice to be here. >> you bet. >> this really was in some ways a significant step for the department of justice because they did require criminal pleas,
and the criminal pleas have to be submitted to a federal court for review. they may well be the largest fines ever. many people will think 2 billion to $4 billion is a lot of money, but it's a drop in the bucket to these big banks, that have revenues between 60 and $80 billion a year. so the fines, although large, are really a rounding error for the big banks. what you have to do if you're going to stop the crime spree on wall street is punish actual individuals. and i don't mean the little fish and the minnows. i mean the whales. if you don't go after the supervisors and executives, then this is just going to happen over and over and over again as we've seen. while this involved the biggest global banks in the country, it involved dozens of traders, there were hundreds of people at these banks in legal compliance and risk. their entire job is to make sure criminal behavior like this does not happen and they clearly failed and failed egregiously,
and doj has to go after them. and that is the acid test for the new attorney general. >> so in the front office the corporate boardroom, is there maybe a sense, mr. kelleher that this is just the cost of doing business? what's $2.5 billion if you're going to make 60? >> that is the problem. making matters worse, they get to pay these fines with shareholders' money. so it's not even real money. they pay it years later. some of it is often tax deductible deductible. yet years before this conduct, they not only bank the revenue and profits, they pocketed the bonuses. so that's why you have to go after the corporation with big, meaningful fines relative to their profits and their revenue to make them put in place the compliance procedures. but even that will forever fail if you don't go after the bankers. you know these traders joked, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. and what i say for doj policy
has to be if you ain't jailed you're going to do it again. >> if you let a child continue to behave badly without disciplining the child, they're not going to learn any lesson. i think what dennis is really trying to say is that this is sham justice. this is fake justice. it's not the same thing as prosecuting wrong behavior. not the same thing as holding people accountable for their wrong behavior. if you're not cheating you're not trying. that should be a prosecutable offense. there are people who obviously did things wrong. these big banks since 2007 have been getting away with this time and time and time again. this is what i think by the fed's accounting more than $100 billion of fines have been paid by the big banks since 2008 all using their shareholders' money.
>> the influence of wall street is just too strong in the united states senate for there to be any kind of meaningful reform? >> the justice department. all the regulatory bodies. >> the lawmakers could be the ones that put teeth in the law. the department of justice is only going to follow what's put on the books. when you have big money such as citizens united that's influencing our elections, how do the american consumers out there thinking that there's anything going to change in the banking industry and the big are getting bigger but also the big are getting stronger and much more political muscle. >> it's a real shame. it adds to the cynicism that we all feel. it adds to the growing gulf between rich and poor. the income inequality. it's just not right that these banks are not held accountable and they're able to use their
power with the united states congress to make sure that doesn't happen. >> so the actual operators of this how do they get away? they just have the firm -- the bank pay the fine? we're not going far enough when it comes to justice. >> well i have asked this to the u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. why aren't you holding individuals at these banks accountable? his answer time and time again is we've seen the information, we would do it if we could, but there's just not enough there. i think there is. >> okay. >> and on the on the other hand this really shows that the new attorney general has to step up. she's got all the authority she needs. >> subpoena power, too. >> she's got subpoena power, grand jury power. she can change this entire debate single handedly by charging some supervisors. i guarantee you, a couple of supervisors at these bajnks get charged, things will change kwing quick. >> why didn't eric holder do that? >> we actually sued the
department of justice over their prior sham settlement with jp morgan chase. and the good news is the action today was significantly better than it was years ago. it still has a significant way to go. and i think we're going to find out if loretta lynch really wants to put justice back in the name of the department of justice because the conduct, as bill just alluded to, is screamingly egregious. anybody should be able to take this evidence before a jury and send these guys to jail where they belong. >> or at least try. which is something they've been unwilling to do. >> gentlemen, we'll leave it there. great to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." thank you. still to come hillary clinton echoes some of elizabeth warren's warnings on the transpacific partnership. and next, a tribute to a late night giant. stay tuned. we're right back. then my nutrition heart health mix is for you. it's a wholesome blend of peanuts, pecans and other delicious nuts specially mixed for people with hearts. i said people with hearts.
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closer to pushing through fast track. he moved to close the debate on tuesday. senator elizabeth warren ripped the trade agreement apart in her 15-page report. she calls the deal a broken promise to american workers. she says corporate favoritism is on the horizon. >> most republicans including ones currently running for president, are committed to rolling back financial reforms. with fast track, they can weaken our financial rules in a trade deal and then ram it through congress. >> secretary of state john kerry fired back against the criticism. he promoted the trade deal while visiting a boeing plant in washington state. >> there is nothing progressive about blaming trade or trade agreements for the inevitable part, shifts that are brought on by technology and time. >> hillary clinton campaigning has tried to stay out of the debate, but expressed some concerns during a campaign stop in iowa. >> it needs to try to address either directly or indirectly
the manipulation of currency by countries that would be trading partners. >> she finally echoed some of elizabeth warren's argument. >> there's a provision in this that gives corporations more power to overturn health and environmental and labor rules than consumers have. and i think that is a problem. >> the former secretary of state still won't outright condemn the trade bill. joining me tonight, tim ryan of ohio. congressman, good to have you with us. it looks like they're going to have the votes in the senate and it's going to really put pressure on what i'm told are about a dozen lawmakers in the house that could swing this one way or the other. give us a sense, congressman, how set are they? how decided are they? do you think this has a chance of passing in the house? >> well obviously there's going to be a lot of heat coming on to
members on the democratic side from the environmental groups the religious groups the labor unions. you know constantly cranking up the heat. we're making the arguments internally, you know to our colleagues. and on the republican side i think it's do you want to give president obama any power at all. so, you know whether it's the democrats or the republicans, i think there's a lot of heat coming on. because this gets down to in my estimation from the democratic side you know whether or not we respect workers. i think it gets down to that value i think that we have as a country, do you respect workers in the united states of america. and if you do respect workers in the united states you're certainly not going to put them in a position where it becomes very difficult to have the opportunity to go to work. we're talking about just opportunity is going to be diminished because of this trade agreement when you're competeing with a worker in vietnam that makes 56 cents an hour. >> we have focused a lot on this
program about the investor state trade dispute. is there a way that that could be rectified that would swing this vote to a positive? not that i'm in favor of it. but just the logistics of it all. is that the sticking point as you see it? >> well it's hard to tell because you don't have all the knowledge, all the information i think that we need right now to make that decision. that make sway a couple people. but i don't know if that will sway a lot of people. it's a big concern for me. but i don't know if it's on those 12 or 15 or 20, whatever the number is. >> is the constant pounding and focus that senator elizabeth warren is putting on this is this emboldening those in the house? >> she has done a phenomenal job. really using their position in the senate to raise awareness and make these arguments. before, there wasn't this kind of opposition to nafta or some of these other trade agreements and people are speaking up.
and i think because we have that evidence of nafta in ohio in western pennsylvania in the industrial midwest, we have evidence it helps elizabeth warren and sherrod brown start making those arguments and convinceing people. i think that's why it's been a struggle in the senate and it's going to be a struggle in the house. they may get there, but not without a strong fight from us. >> thanks for joining us tonight. i want to bring in jonathan alter, msnbc political analyst, and lori walloch. great to have both of you with us. what kind of an impact is senator warren having on this debate? i mean she is totally opposed to where the president is where the secretary of state is. she seems to have quite a grass roots following on this. >> she's having a huge impact on this. and i think it's a healthy debate for the democratic party and for the country. you want everybody to err all of these issues. that doesn't mean she's necessarily right on every point that she's making.
the president has some pretty good arguments against some of the things that she's raised. but to debate this is what our democracy is supposed to be all about. we don't want the debate short circuited. i think it's important to understand that there are two issues here. one is fast track, which is coming up now. the other is the deal itself which is going to be a while before then. so hillary clinton is just fine in saying that she wants to hold off until she's read this deal until it's been fully negotiated before she takes a position on it. i actually think that's a responsible thing for somebody to do. because we don't know what's in this deal yet fully. but in terms of fast track authority, the issue that's in front of us right now here i don't think that the opponents of it have the better of the argument. it's like saying well let's negotiate the iran deal in congress and have every yahoo republican put an amendment. that's not the way you make foreign policy.
this trade deal is foreign policy as well as economic policy. >> lori, can you separate the two? fast track has to happen before the tpp. but it's greasing the skids for what many people think is a bad deal. >> because the tpp after six years of these closed door negotiations is almost done well over half the chapters are literally signed and sealed the others have a word or two to go really the vote for fast track is a proxy that you're willing to rubber stamp this version of this new orleans trade agreement. i think the reason that senator warren has really helped bring the argument to the forefront is that for the last year and a half, a lot of the agreement's been done. and because you've had congresswoman deloro and thousands in small business and faith and human rights and internet freedom activists
talking about the pieces of the final tpp that have leaked. we know for instance why it was his right. the agreement has the investment offshore incentives that might be part of nafta. that chapter leaked. the government accountability office totally flopped. we need that last year. >> mike froman would take serious issue with that. this is way beyond what was in those bush era agreements. >> except that it's impeeriracally not true. the administration authored -- >> neither read the deal. >> as the opening offer for the united states -- >> you haven't read it and i
haven't read it. >> the united states trade representative has informed us me personally congress, that they have used may 10 2007 bush environmental and labor standards and they still haven't gotten the countries to agree to it. >> i believe that was the basis -- >> and that was the high line option for what will be there. >> all right, i want to talk about -- >> just in terms of the american worth, that's what we should stay focused on. one of the things that's great about this program is you stay focused on the worker. the argument to consider is if we can get, say, vietnam to be part of these international -- of our idea of what a trade deal is rather than china's idea then wages will go up in vietnam and it will be a less attractive option for multi-nationals to take jobs for the united states to vietnam. >> are you making the case that this is going to slow down outsourcing? >> i believe it actually could
slow down outsourcing, yes. >> that's speculation as i see it. >> i'm not saying it definitely will. >> they don't have disposable income in those countries. >> i'm talking about offshoring jobs in the united states. to bring up international labor standards. you make it less attractive to offshore our jobs. >> but this is one of the issues. we talk about international labor standards. there's no way to enforce them. we've never been able to tell another country how to handle their workers. >> this deal has quite a number of things. >> that is simply not true. that is simply not true. that is simply not true. >> the standards are in the deal. >> the chapter on labor rights is the same chapter bush used that references an ilo agreement about conditions at work. that, as we have seen from the government accountability office has made no changes on the ground in the countries where it applies.
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question without losing the floor. >> will the senator from kentucky yield for a question without losing his right to the floor? >> yes. >> i want to thank my colleague for raising this important issue important issue on the senate floor today. >> senator rand paul leading discussion on the senate floor of the patriot act. we'll be right back to "the ed show." stay with us. [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. ♪ ♪ she can print amazing things right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. ♪ ♪ my mom works at ge. ♪ ♪
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at this hour. the associated press is reporting the pipeline company whose pipe burst in california along the shoreline last night says up to 105,000 gallons of oil may have spilled into the pacific. that number is up from an earlier number reported. officials put out at 21,000 gallons. we'll keep you up to date on that. the sports world is still focused on deflategate. on tuesday patriots owner robert kraft says he will not appeal the patriots' punishment on deflategate. kraft will pay the million dollar fine and forfeit draft picks for the next two years. kraft told reporters although i might disagree with what has decided, i do have respect for commissioner roger goodell, and believe that he is doing what he perceives to be in the best interests of all 32 teams. tom brady isn't giving up that easy. he is moving forward with his appeal over his four-game suspension. roger goodell will personally oversee brady's appeal. he gave a press conference today
following the nfl owners meetings and all it was about was deflategate. >> i look forward to hearing directly from tom. if there is new information or information that can be helpful to us in getting this right. i want to hear directly from tom on that. >> how do you address the question of how can you be fair hearing the appeal after you have already meted out judgment? >> well, two things. first off, it was an independent investigation. it was done by ted wells. he drew a conclusion about whether there is a violation or not. he drew the facts andrew the investigation. i get a chance to read the report just shortly before you did. and so we've been very transparent on that side of it. >> for more let's bring in a sports columnist for "the new york times." and bill lever and kfan radio host in minneapolis. bill, you first. as the league handles this can they live without brady for four games? >> yeah but they're not. they're not. what they're trying to do now,
how can we -- how can we do this nice? how can we do two games? everybody is trying to make nice. already kraft has made peace with his buddy, saying listen i understand. that leaves brady kind of under the bus because he's still got a little bit of his reputation at stake here. so he wants to fight this a little bit. well, wait a minute. >> do you think he can move off the four-game suspension to something lesser? >> i think they'll leave the door open for him saying all we want to see is the texts and all that. they're leaving the door open for him to dismiss two. >> and what is your take on this? how about the commissioner's actions today? >> well i applaud robert kraft first and foremost. he looked at the big picture here and realized i'm not going to go down this rabbit hole and put my organization through any more embarrassment. i think he did the right thing by pulling away his appeal. now you look atom brady, and roger goodell already said if you have more information, i want to hear it. i think that's going to go a long ways if he wants to get the
four games reduced. we'll see if that happens. up until this point, tom has not been very forthright in the investigation and in interviews he has not outwardly said i had nothing to do with this. he has kind of skirted the issue and chosen his words wisely. >> do you think his stardom is going to help him? >> you know i think it's going to. but i also know that roger goodell does not look at these superstar athletes and hold them in any different light than anybody else. with all the stuff that has happened with adrian peterson ray rice and greg hardy, i think he has to look at himself and say i have to play this fairly or else i'm going get called out. i think in this situation, tom brady gets no extra deals just because he is an elite athlete. >> bill when you look at this does the league have to back down on this? >> well i don't think they have to. two things. we have to look at this two things. they have to look at the letter of the law. if he screwed around with the balls or whatever, they have to investigate that. but for me, i honestly the idea of his legacy being tarnished is ridiculous.
if two minutes to go in a game and it's the play-offs and you ask me who do i want i don't care what he has done who do i want to lead my team down the field, bottom line, it's tom brady. and there is nothing that is going to come out of that that is going the make me feel that he doesn't belong in the hall of fame or that he is not one of the greatest quarterbacks of his era. but i also understand that the nfl has got to deal with the rules, deal with the most important thing in his game which is a ball. i get that. so let's deal with that. but trust me, the punishment is not going to go longer than four. because they're looking at that game with the indianapolis colts as one of the biggest bonanzas of the season. so it may get shorter, but it's not going get longer. >> do you think there is some line of thinking in the brady camp that he didn't do anything wrong? >> oh for sure i think that there is a little bit in there that says i did nothing wrong. i like my footballs the way i like them. and there might be part of the story where mcnally or
jastremski said somewhere, listen, we didn't tell him that he was going under the 12.5 psi. we just deflated them to the point where he liked the feel of them. if he comes out and says that, and they can back that up with another interview, another testimonial, then possibly they could skirt this thing. but the way it sounds like to me, every quarterback is very meticulous about how they like their balls to be rubbed down and oiled and felt. so i think he knew that they were slightly underinflated. >> bill does the league change the way they handle footballs before the game? >> oh absolutely. that's what is going to come out of it. bottom line they're going to have new procedures. everything from teams using the same balls or -- because a lot of referees made mistakes in this regard as well. so that's probably going to be the big upside. going to the next year, there is going to be a completely different procedure. >> so you think the league can get to a point where we're going to make sure this doesn't happen again? >> oh, absolutely. because too many people after you get past brady, too many
officials made too many mistakes. >> gentlemen, appreciate the conversation. big rhoden and ben leber, thank you so much. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. >> reporter: good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning. in we start with developing on the latest largest release of osama bin laden's personal documents, ever. u.s. intelligence declassifying dozens of books, texts, and documents, including letters to and from other terrorists written during bin laden's six years in hiding. they show he was obsessed with attacking the u.s. right up until his dying days. he told associates to quote, work on breaking the power of our main enemy by attacking the american embassies and mainly to attack the american oil companies.