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the clock is ticking. the patriot act expires at midnight. the senate is back today. is there reason for alarm on the homefront? the race for the white house. some democratic challengers are pushing an anti-wall street message. where does that leave front-runner hillary clinton? the so-called taliban five. those traded for u.s. hostage bowe bergdahl. their travel ban could be lifted by day's end. we'll tell you what this means for america's security. it's called the deep web. a new documentary that reveals what's going on in the darkest parts of the internet where everything can be bought for a price. i'll talk to the filmmaker.
hey there everyone. it's high noon in the east :a.m. in the west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." key part of the patriot act set to expire at midnight exactly 12 hours from now. here's a live picture of capitol hill, that's where the senate will return at 4:00 p.m. for a rare sunday sense -- sunday session. lawmakers will attempt to reach a last-minute compromise. here's two key members of the armed services this morning. >> the nsa will be able to query and reach out to the calling data that's relevant to an active national security investigation. we don't think it's a good idea for the government to collect information in bulk just because it's there. >> i'm strongly in favor of protecting privacy rights but we have to be aware of that we're under threat. it strikes me as an unusual position for senator paul for
example, to be talking about essentially unilaterally disarming an important national security tool at a time when i've never seen the threat level higher. >> nbc's kristin wilkinson at the white house. walk us through what's happening in congress, and are you hearing anything from senator paul's camp about his trying to delay the process again? >> reporter: senator paul says that is exactly what he intends to do. in a statement he says, "i will forethe expiration of the nsa illegal spy program." opponent like paul argue that it is a violation of civil liberty. proponents argue that these programs are necessary to track and protect against terrorists. look here's what is at issue, alex. it is second 215 of the usa patriot act. it essentially gives the government the ability to sweep up the phone records of millions of americans. this was the provision that was exposed by nsa leaker edward
snowden. now, it's important to point out that a restroigz this act the usa -- revision to this act, the usa freedom act passed with broad bipartisan support. this would put the power to have this phone company information in the hands of the telecommunications company. the president is saying, look, we back this, a lot of democrats and republicans passed this why can't it pass through the senate. rand paul is saying absolutely not, he wants to get rid of bulk collection jag together-- altogether. >> the president, the attorney general, the director of the fbi, director of national intelligence heads of nsa and cia are supportive of an extension of those capabilities and authorities. and unfortunately, i think that there's been a little too much political grandstanding and crusading for ideological causes that has really skewed the debate on this issue. these tools are important to american lives. >> reporter: there you have brennan essentially accusing opponents like paul of political
grandstanding. and of course, rand paul is a presidential candidate. so of course the big question on everyone's minds -- what exactly is going to happen. it look very likely, alex at this hour that the patriot act is going to expire for at least a few days. even if the house, even if the senate can come up with some type of compromise measure, the house doesn't come back until tomorrow. so it would be impossible for them to sign off on it. still, there's going to be a lot of pressure heated debate on capitol hill this afternoon. alex? >> absolutely. i believe on a logistical standpoint, at 8:00 p.m., you have reported that it will become null and voided out. >> reporter: absolutely right. >> right. okay kristin, thank you very much for that. meantime, condolences are pouring in for vice president joe biden and his family after he announced that his son, beau had lost his battle with brain cancer. beau is the heldest son of vice president biden. had been attorney general of delaware and reportedly planned on running for governor there in 2016. nbc has more.
>> reporter: the 46-year-old bronze star recipient who served in iraq of first diagnosed in august, 2013. following treatment, he was given a clean bill of health and returned to his work as delaware attorney general just months later. he announced last year that he would not seek a third term as attorney general. instead, planning a run for governor in 2016. >> please join me in welcoming my friend my father my hero the next vice president of the united states, joe biden. >> reporter: biden gave an emotional speech introducing his father at the 2008 democratic national convention and was considered a rising star in the democratic party. just this spring biden suffered a recurrence of the cancer and sought treatment. despite a valiant fight, beau biden died surrounding by his entire family. he's survived by his wife hally, and two children, vice president joe biden and jill biden, and his brother and sister. >> vice president biden released
a statement saying the entire biden family is saddened beyond words. beau embodied my father's saying that a parent knows success when his child turn out better than he did. in the words of the biden family "beau biden was quite simply the finest man any of us have known." biden was 46. developing now secretary of state john kerry is making an unexpected and early return trip to the u.s. this hour after breaking his leg in a bike crash in france earlier this morning. he was airlifted to geneva switzerland, for treatment where he had been ongoing -- where ongoing nuclear talks with iran. and we have the latest. >> reporter: hi, alex. the state department confirmed secretary kerry broke his right femur. that's the bone in his right thigh, this morning while biking in france. kerry was airlifted to a swiss hospital. we're told he never lost consciousness and is now in stable condition. the accident happened in france, about 25 miles from geneva where kerry has been in ongoing nuclear talks with iran's
foreign minister. the associated press reports that a paramedic traveling with kerry's motorcade examined the secretary of state after his bike apparently hit a curb. x-rays show he did break his right leg. officials stress his life is not in any danger. kerry was supposed to be traveling to madrid later today for meetings with spain's king and his prime minister. after that two days in paris for an international conference on isis it's unclear if anybody will be taking his place at that conference. as of now, those two visits are obviously canceled. kerry's spokesman says break the break is close to where he had hip surgery, he is flying back to boston today to see the doctor that did that surgery at mass general. kerry is a big outdoorsman and avid cycling fan since child. even though the break is a big deal, the femur is a good and painful break, he is said to be in good spirits.
alex? >> we wish him a speedy recovery. thank you. at the end of today, the travel ban expires on the five taliban leaders freed from guantanamo bay last year in exchange for u.s. army sergeant b bowe bergdahl. the--ranking members have been under government supervision. the white house secretary josh earnst spoke about it in his briefing friday. >> i don't have any amonuments on this matter that i'm prepared to deliver today. but it is true that the united states has been in touch with our partners in qatar about the kind of steps that we believe are important to protecting the national security of the american people. >> joining me, retired army colonel jake jacobs medal of honor recipient and msnbc analyst. do these five men in your mind pose a danger? >> yes, they. do four are high ranking people in the taliban organization. ittingly, the fifth one was a low ranking person ostensibly. but he was specifically asked for in the trade by the taliban
which leads me to believe that we don't know -- didn't know when we released him, the entire story about this guy. all five i think pose a great danger to us to our people we've got 10,000 people still in afghanistan. and to our interest in the region. now a bad idea to let them go. >> can we monitor them? do we have the capabilities to do that if they leave qatar? >> well in a word not very easily. i mean we're going to need intelligence on the ground we're going to need agents to give us information about where they are. we'll have to supervise their cell phone exchanges which they're not going to make it easy for us to do. so the short end of the story is it's going to be extremely difficult to follow them. people like them we've released before from guantanamo and encountered them later on the battlefield. it's going to be extremely difficult to follow these people. >> we have to remind our viewers, these guys were in exchange for bowe bergdahl.
should they have been exchanged for bergdahl in the first place? >> in my view absolutely not. i think any time are you lease people like this under any circumstances, you're putting your people your objectives your efforts at risk. so a bad idea whether it was bowe bergdahl or indeed anybody else. and i think the white house already regrets it because they're trying to convince the qataris, a, to extend their being restricted travel restrictions on the one hand and even more telling, we're trying to convince the qataris to make it more difficult to -- make it easier for us to supervise and put very restrictions on them which the i can tarrys are not going to do. they might extend them in qatar. but the likelihood is that by tomorrow, they'll be gone. >> okay. colonel jake jacobs, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. texas is finally catching a break after a week-long period of deadly and record-breaking storms. rivers are starting to recede
after some crested at 49 feet. more heavy raynhamered part of houston last night -- raynhamered parts of houston last night with some areas getting three inches. streets are under water. many are left without electricity and calling this the worst storm yet. >> we've been here for 42 years. we've seen the floodwater come to our edge of the house but never in the house. this is probably the worst flood i've seen ever in my life. >> the storms that killed at least 30 people in oklahoma and texas, more than ten people remain missing. for more on the cleanup efforts, let's go toem with wimberley texas. >> reporter: rain swept through leaving behind saturated ground and bringing up memories of the violent memorial day weekend storms. however, it cleared quickly. and today even though it's gray and overcast river levels actually continue to go down exposing new ground and new debris. volunteers back at it today,
more than 1,000 helping search for those still missing and helping homeowners clean up. an estimated 1,200 home received damage from the storms. we went to a command center, a church being used as a command center, rather and saw truck after truck pulling up with donations, cleaning supplies food personal items to help those in need. we also talked to a nonprofit that's helping feed volunteers. one woman telling me she prepared 1,200 lunches for these hard-working volunteers. and they're about to get a break from the weather the next few days. expected to be clear, giving the recovery efforts a chance to play catchup. back to you. >> okay. thank you very much for that. so is texas getting the break it deserves? where are those rainstorms heading next? the weather channel's paul goodloe has more on that. to you. >> reporter: great news coming out of texas and oklahoma. this is the pattern for the rest of the week. we are drying out across texas and the southern plains. no more rain. the flooding is still ongoing. the rain is ending and the
flooding will slowly start to recede as we head throughout the week. that's great news. the moisture now pushing into the northeast, new england, mid-atlantic getting scattered showers and thunderstorm. texas drying out because of the cold front. the cold front today the focal point of showers and thunderstorms across the i-95 corridor. through about northern new jersey. and it stalls out around philadelphia, as well. d.c., you're not quite through the front yet. we'll see the front tomorrow bringing you severe weather. today we don't have any severe weather risk. hazy, hot, humid conditions from the carolinas into the mid-atlantic portions of the northeast. damaging wind, heavy rain and hail. can't rule out tornadoes. more of a damaging wind threat heading throughout the day. this area is in red. the good news is we've got needed rain coming to the area. the bad news temperatures taking a tumble. places like boston 50s for monday. d.c. is in the 90s, and another chance of thunderstorms as weigh head toward monday afternoon. alex? >> all right. thanks for that.
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i support the concept of moving the data out of the government. i think that's a good idea from a privacy point of view. my concern is that if you move it out of the government, leave it with the phone companies and the companies say, well, we're deciding we're only going to hold that data for a week, a month, six months the program loses its functionality altogether.
you've in effect repealed it without saying so. >> that was maine republican senator king a member of the intelligence committee, talking about the patriot act. the senate now in a rare sunday session will meet this afternoon to resume debate on portions of the act due to expire at midnight. frank thorpe and katy zezma. welcome you to both. frank, what all is going to happen at 4:00? >> they'll come in at 4:00 and with eight hours until the deadline they'll try to hash out an agreement to get enough votes to pass some legislation that will reform or reauthorize provisions of the patriot act. currentli, it looks like the best prospect is the usa freedom act. a bill passed out of the house overwhelmingly with 338 votes earlier this month. the problem is as you swau senator king you have a lot of senators who feel that that's the right way to go about this is to move the storm of bulk
data away from the government and have it be held by the telecom companies. they're worried this bill doesn't give them the assurances they need that the data will be there when they need it to be. they may -- they'll try to move on some kind of maybe amendment or try to change the bill. the problem is there's no way that they're going to be able to get that legislation passed through congress and to the president's desk before the midnight deadline. so this program is expected to sunset. >> absolutely. it will expire and go down for a while. that's for sure. there's another problem. that is in the form of senator rand paul who said yesterday, "i will force the expiration of the nsa illegal spy program." will he be able to do this? >> senator paul has said he doesn't want to allow senator mcconnell to expedite a vote on the usa freedom act or to allow votes to extend the patriot act by a few days. that's exactly what he did a few weeks ago. and you know he hinted friday in south carolina that -- he said, i can talk for a long time.
he hinted potentially at another long floor speech. but he's going to try and do all he can to hold the senate floor and make sure that that -- that no one votes on this. >> an interesting angle, frank, is the match-up between mcconnell and paul. what power does the majority leader have to stop senator paul? and also how much might this be about inner kentucky politics? >> unfortunately for senate majority leader mitch mcconnell there's nothing he can do to stop senator paul from objecting to moving to this legislation faster than the slow as molasses way that the senate seems to take care of bills. requires 100 senators to move fast or a bill. so if senator paul decides to go ahead and object, as he said he has, then there's no way that they'll be able to consider the bills by the end of the day. i mean, there is nothing that mitch mcconnell can do about that. and that's what rand paul is banking on. and that's what he's warned he
would do. >> if the senate comes up with a -- an approach that's in unanimity and mae they compromise, there any steps that can stop the program prosecutespireprosecute prosecuteprosecute -- program from expiring at might? might? >> if it does expire at midnight, there are three key provisions that go away. government has to start shutting down in the hours before. section 215, the bulk collection of metadata by the government. it would also prevent the government from using these roving wiretaps which is basically if you have a person who you suspect of doing something to put a wiretap on them when they switch devices it goes to all of their devices. the is tracking lone wolf terrorists who are not affiliated with any -- with any group. those are the three things that would expire if this does not -- nothing passes. >> you know what, frank, what's interesting, it seems that we're having a flip problem here. even if the senate passes something, the house would have
to look at it tomorrow. it's usually the house that is having the problem to move forward. and the senate is more in line with being able to pass things and being more productive that way. >> well, you know i mean, democrats would say this was a completely predictal problem. senator majority leader mcconnell said he wanted to finish the trade bill before the provisions before he moved to the transportation bill. this is leading up to the memorial day recess. and there's nothing that gets senators to move quickly or get out of town quickly other than a recess. so -- the reality is you know, there's a bunch -- presidential politics are kind of intertwined in this entire situation. while senator paul has alienated himself a bit by having this position, by saying that he wants this program to end completely, i mean this is really kind of playing directly to his hand. he knew this of going to happen and he knew he was going to be able to stop the program by objecting last week and objecting today.
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recordsetters take center stage in today's number ones. first, america's battle of bulge. in the latest government data 69% of americans ages 20 or older are classified as overweight. that includes the 35% who are obese. meanwhile, a new gallup poll shows baton rouge louisiana, has the highest obesity rate of 36%. and mississippi is the fattest state where 35% of residents are obese. on the lighter side, colorado springs, colorado is the best city in the fight against fat with an obesity rate of just under 20%. and the best state, hawaii where 19% of the residents are obese. one, two, three, four -- >> nice. you go.
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residents of dennis hastert's hometown of yorkville illinois, are reeling from the revelations of the criminal indictment against the house speaker. it says in 2010 hastert agreed to play someone $3.5 million to conceal a past misconduct. the indictment offers no deals of the misconduct nor who the person is. federal law enforcement tells nbc news the payments related to hastert's days as an illinois school teacher and coach and sexual misconduct with a student. adam reece good day. what are people there saying? >> reporter: they find it hard to believe, alex, wondering why it took 40 years for to come to light. he's not spoken publicly since the story broke, but the fallout does continue. wheaton college hissal ma mat, in illinois -- his alma mater, in illinois, announcing he will speak down immediately from the dennis hastert institute. this coming days after he stepped from the law firm where he worked in washington as well as the cme exchange. relatives, friends, colleagues
people in yorkville absolutely stunned. this is out of character for him, they say. it's disbelief, sadness, and some saying they're not surprised. >> i am surprised that if this is true why it didn't come out a lot sooner. i mean i can't figure this whole thing out. it's -- doesn't make sense. >> i was very upset. i feel terribly bad for his family and him. >> not surprised one bit. just seems the norm now with politicians running wild with sex scandals money scandals. >> reporter: now he faces ten years in jail a possible $500,000 fine. we account see him in a chicago courtroom arraigned as early as this week. alex? >> adam reece, many thanks. the democratic field for the 2016 election started filling up this week with bernie sanders and martin o'malley joining the race. they kicked off their campaigns with speeches that set the cross hairs on big money and, though not named, hillary clinton.
>> i've got news for the bullies of wall street. the presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth by you, between to royal family. >> there is something profoundly wrong when the top 1/10th of 1% owns almost as much as wealth as the bottom 90%. >> joining me is jared bernstein, forger chief economist for vice president biden -- former chief economist for vice president biden and senior at the budget and policies committee. the last part by bernie sanders, when you look at the state of the economy, is this the message that could create the groundswell for the two darkhorse candidates? >> to some extent i think it could. interestingly, this issue of excessively high levels of income inequality wealth inequality of the inequality of power and access to political favorites is not issue not just
for the two candidates you played and not just for hillary clinton, but we've heard candidates on the republican side of the aisle. something we typically don't hear talking about this problem as well. whether it's folks were in the race, ted cruz talked about it when mitt romney was in the race for a couple weeks, he talked about it. this issue is pervasive. we'll hear more about it. >> yeah. in terms of policy not at all the extracurricular gigs where does hillary clinton stand on the economy and wealth gap? >> well look the problem with answering any question that begins with where does hillary clinton stand is that she has been quiet about where she stands on many issues especially compared to candidates in the race like we heard from o'malley and bernie sanders. she, however, has been quite critical of the problem of the wealth gap, of the power of money, concentrated income
financial markets. that's one area where weather she's held forth. not nearly as vocally or aggressively as the two other candidates who are trying to oppose her for the primary. >> so the actual policy that we'll be talking about here, raising minimum wage, higher taxes on the rich and corporations, maybe further bank reform, whoever wins next year, what is the reality of getting any of that passed? >> well you know, sometimes -- first of all again, we're in such gridlock that getting anything through congress is a high bar. but one of the things you see is that when a newly elected president has a honeymoon period, typically something he or she ran on has a better chance of crossing that legislative bar, especially if it was something they emphasized in the race, and if they won with a significant mandate. it's not out of the question, and it's interesting in this regard that bernie sanders has a financial transaction tax, as an
important part of his platform. that hits high frequency trading. martin o'malley talks about bringing back the reforms over banking, and we haven't heard from ms. clinton on her agenda in that area. >> here somes we've gotten traction on in terms of discourse with the general population. let's listen to bernie sanders talking with john harwood about the clintons and the money they've made on speeches and books. >> when you hustle money like that you don't sit in restaurants like this. you sit in restaurants where you spend -- i don't know what they send, hundreds of dollars. that's the world you're accustomed to and the world view you adopt. i'm not going to condemn hillary and bill clinton because they've made money. that type of wealth has the potential to isolate you from the reality of the world. >> he may not be condemning them, but he did call them hustlers. how do you think the financial world, all its donor money is going to react to this fight?
>> well, look -- i think that one of the things that is unfortunately true about presidential elections in america today is that you need a lot of money to win them. it's just that simple. a lot of the money based on this wealth concentration problem we've been talking about, where does it exist? it exists in the mancehands of millionaires and billionaires many of whom control the financial markets. that's a fundamental problem like sanders was talking about. i'm not going to get into the name-calling, and i understand that anyone who runs for office has to do that kind of fundraising, but really the fundamental problem here is both the extent of wealth concentration and the pervasiveness of that wealth and the way it find its way into politics today. >> okay. i want to play a clip of hillary clinton speaking in iowa a couple of weeks ago. here it is. >> we need to get back into the habit of actually rewarding workers with increases in their
paychecks for the increases in productivity and profitability that they have helped to bring about. [ applause ] warren buffett has said it, but so have a lot of other people. there's something wrong when the average american ceo makes 300 times more than the typical american worker. >> to that point, we've had rich presidential candidates before. that's the norm. can they get away with purchase like that when they themselves make that 300 times more? >> i have to think it's -- i do think that it's a real challenge, and you heard sander in the clip you played earlier going at that challenge. and obviously anyone who opposes ms. clinton in the primary is going to raise those points. however, she can say especially if she has the policy ideas to back it up she can say yes, i
know those people. i am partly, my campaign is partly financed by those people. but that's not going stop me from pursuing a set of policies that rebalances their power with that -- with that was the working class and goes right at the problem which i thought she arctically articulately identify thursday. the disconnect between the fortunes and growth and productivity that they are helping to create. anybody who wins this election is going to be getting money from rich people. i'm afraid that's the reality. what really matters, though what we have to listen for is do they have the real policy agenda to make a real difference in the area, or are they lip-synching? >> right you are. good to see you, my friend. thank you very much. a heartfelt good-bye this morning as a sunday talk show veteran signed off. today was bob schieffer's last day as host of cbs' "face the nation." he held the position for 24 years. he said the kennedy assassination, vietnam, watergate, and 9/11 are among the stories he will remember
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>> evidence suggests that he was involved in the silk road. they seized his laptop while he was logged in. i vancouvered him, and the first thing he told me is there are multiple dread pirate roberts. >> there were two, if not three other people. >> joining me is alex winter the writer, director and producer of "deep web." with a big thanks to you, i'm curious about your reaction when you heard about the life sentence for ross ulbrecht. >> yes. i was in the courtroom when ross was sentenced. it was a lengthy sentence. it was a thorough sentence on both sides. the judge made a long proclamation about why the sentencing was going to be harsh and what the concerns were about the charges and the severity of the charges the way that they were looked at. none of us in the room that had been following the case the last couple of years were prepared for life in jail without the possibility of parole, which is what he was sentenced to. so it isn't really to cast
aspersions on the sentence as much as to say it was stunning. and it's certainly a very harsh sentence given the charges. >> what's interesting on the outside, it appeared to be a pretty cut and dry case. at least that's how it was presented. a mastermind creates this underground website forry in tearious -- forry in y infef airious business. drugs, guns. what is your take? >> well, my take -- you can watch the movie the take would take a while. the real sit what you're dealing with is an anonymous and private community on the internet that's been growing for decade. and the markets like silk rad that have grown out of the community. and again the community of all types of people not run by one person or -- it's mostly people who are really invested in privacy and anon-imity in the digital age. now there's a lot of good that happens there, journalists and government agents and dissidents and people who rely on privacy average citizen who want privacy and protection in the digital
age. there is also criminality there, as well. there are a lot of facets to the case, and the case raised an enorm amount of questions involving how the government deals with crime in the digital age, how the constitution protects the average citizen from warrantless search and seizures. there's so many complicated issues at play in this case that go beyond the surface. >> how exactly did the silk road work? >> well, the silk road is part of the internet called the dark net, a fairly small corner of the internet that is only accessible through specific types of applications. one of them is the one developed by the u.s. government. again, these are not tools created by criminals for criminal purposes. they can be used for those purposes. but the web operated within that section of the internet. so you needed a special application. you couldn't type in silkroad.com and get there. it's not difficult to get in the space, but it did require know-how to get into the space. the kicker with silk road the
reason it took off, was it combined the anon-imity technology with bit coin a digital currency that is capable of being anonymised. it's not strength anons mouse, it's trackable -- anonymous, it's trackable. but once you combine bit coin with the dark net, they were off to the races. >> it motivation was what, ♪ >> -- money? >> politics it seems. the community that i was embedded with and dealing with architects of the silk road -- they were radical -- aarp trying to use technology to change drug policy. if they were staunch -- they were staunch opponents of the drug car. they felt it was a huge problem, that people were going do drugs anyway. they needed to get safer access to drugs, safer access to better drugs. there's no doubt that it's incredibly radical. i personally look at the silk road less like an engine for just base greed and criminality and equality them more to the
weather underground and other radical groups, the late '60s andarily early '70s. and to circumvent government policy that they didn't agree with. >> yeah. i can't wait to see the documentary. before you go, you have to forgive me this -- i do want to point out for the viewers who might recognize you from your acting work that the narrator is keanu reeves with whom you starred in the "bill and ted" series of film. what brought you together again? >> weeper been close friends for many years decades at this point in time. keanu's husbandalways had an interest in cutting edge technologies. he followed the film, so it seemed like something worth doing when we got to voiceover. >> makes sense. thank you very much for the interview. i wish you the best of luck. "deep web," premiering tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern. tune in. definitely important tv. thanks. >> thank you very much. ahead, what's popping up on the beaches of southern california and what's being done to curb the damage, next. it's the final days of the ford ecoboost challenge. here we go!
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the discovery of tar balls and clumps of oil on more beaches in southern california is prompting new concerns. beaches in ventura county have reopened after the u.s. coast guard and other agencies collected samples yesterday. officials are trying to figure out if the substance is related to the oil spill in santa barbara earlier this month. officials are also testing sample was nearby beaches that washed ashore this week. joining me now, chris richard, "usa today's" l.a. bureau chief. with a welcome back to the show what's the latest on the investigation into the accident? >> well, there's a lot of activity going on. it's a tough slog at this point. they've recovered quite a number of birds and sea mammals that are under care at this point. and as you pointed out, they're investigating what's going on with these tar balls that are turning up in these beaches in ventura and then down in los angeles county at manhattan beach. they're still trying to discover the source of those. >> chris common sense would tell you look at the -- you
have a huge oil spill to the north. do the tar balls like this appear all the time on southern california beaches? are they not related? >> they want to be absolutely sure. remember there's an area up there that's had oil seep certainly nothing on this scale. the state wildlife officials who i talked to yesterday indicated they're trying to be very careful in not trying to pinpoint blame at this point until they know for sure. yeah. look at this. if t does seem that there's activity going on with oil that wasn't happening on the beaches a month ago. >> absolutely. the coast guard, as you know, is defending itself big time after being criticized for not starting the cleanup process soon enough. plains all american, the company that owns the pipeline issued a press release last night outlining steps it had taken to remove the oil. first of all how much progress have maythey made? >> they have 1,400 workers now,
and they've train good 200 volunteers. so it's a fair number of people out there, they're still working about 14 boats as well trying to recover what they can. it is at the tar ball stage. there's not much floating oil on the water. there's certainly a lot of activity on shore, in particular now they're trying to figure out what to do about the rocks the oil that may have seeped into the soil. >> you know i'm looking at all sorts of reports about how long it took for workers to get there. and in fact, there were volunteers from the community who were the first to be on the beaches trying to clean them up. what's behind that? >> volunteers were saying where are the professionals what's going on here? remember, this area up there, the state beach is a fairly remote location. it's ten miles past santa barbara. i can see how this would take a while for a big response effort to get underway. it's not like it happened in a major urban area. this is something where you have
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ahead. out of school and out of work. what's the reason almost had 40% of the nation's unemployed are millennials and how can they get working. the free-range fight. why the parents who let their two young children walk home alone beat one charge of child neglect but still miss another. >> hello, everyone welcome to "weekends with alex witt." a little past 1:00 p.m. in the east 10:00 a.m. in the west. the clock is ticking. the senate will reconvene shortly as the controversy patriot act is due to expire at midnight. reaching a compromise on an extension town difficult. senator rand paul says he will force expiration of what he calls the nsa's illegal spy program. cia director john brennan said the moves to kill the program seem to be politically motel straighted. -- motivated. >> it president, the attorney general, director of the fbi
director of national intelligence, heads of nsa and cia are supportive of an extension of those capabilities and authorities. and unfortunately, i think that there's been a little too much political grandstanding, and crusading for ideological causes that have really skewed the debate on this issue. but these tools are important to american lives. >> we have reports from nbc news capitol hill reporter frank thorpe and nbc news white house correspondent kristin welker. welcome to you both. frank, the battle lines are staggered across the party lines with mostly bipartisan support. for an extension of some kind. what's likely to happen when the senate gets underway three hours from now? >> like you said at 4:00, they'll gavel in. this will be the first sunday session that the senate has had since 2013. and they're hoping to start having votes on some kind of bill to either reauthorize or reform provisions, these nsa provisions, these bulk -- bulk collection of data telephone data which will be actually the first votes that they've held in the senate sense 2012.
but right now the question is whether or not they can get the support from this house-passed bill. the u.s. family act. it passed the house a couple weeks back with 338 votes. it would move the collection, the data collection from telephone companies that's being held now by the government. it would actually now move it to the telephone companies instead. but right now there's a lot of senator who's are on the fence about whether or not they want to move forward with considering that bill. and to muddy the waters even more senator rand paul who is running for president has said that he would object to the fast tracking the moving faster on any of these bills in an effort to get any of these bills passed by the end of the day before the midnight deadline. so we're looking right now at the prospect of these provisions, this program sun setting at the end of the day because the senate doesn't have the time to pass any of this legislation. >> so what is the threshold that senator mcconnell has to hit to get past senator paul's opposition? >> well, it's an interesting
situation because, you know, the bill that is the likely vehicle to stop this sun setting, to continue these programs, this usa freedom act is a bill that actually senator -- senate majority leader mcconnell opposes. he doesn't want this bill to be moving forward. but it might just be the only way forward. but in reality, the senate moves very slowly. and there are a lot of different procedures that they need to pass to make -- to get to final passage. and any one senator can slow that down. you need all 100 senators to agree to move faster. and what senator rand paul has said is that he will object and that he will slow this process down so that even if they agree to move on the house-passed bill they wouldn't be able to finish it until next week after which the programs had sun setted. >> okay. thanks for that. to the white house and kristin welker. we heard from the lawmakers this morning. what are they saying? >> reporter: i think you hit the nail right on the head at the
top of your segment. there is broad bipartisan support among lawmakers that they don't want to see these surveillance programs expire. you had a lot of lawmakers today on the sunday shows saying that the senate should pass something. either extend the u.s. patriot act or pass -- the house-passed bill that frank was discussing the usa freedom act which, of course moves the collection of phone data records from the government to the phone companies. take a listen to a bit of what lawmakers had to say earlier today. >> the nsa will be able to query and reach out to the phone companies to get that calling data that's relevant to an actual national security investigation. we don't think it's a good idea for the government to just be collecting all this data in bulk just because it's there. >> i'm strongly in favor of protecting privacy rights, but we also have to be aware that we're under threat. and it strikes me as an unusual position for senator paul for example to be talking about essentially unilaterally
disarming an important national security tool at a time when i've never seen the national threat level higher. >> reporter: to underscore what they're saying we have two lawmakers saying we tonight agree with the bulk collection of data. however, we do want some type of surveillance program to be in effect. at this point it seems the usa freedom act is the leading way to do that. the provision that has the biggest amount of bipartisan support. so what happens if the senate can act or come -- can't act or come to a compromise by midnight, in addition to the bulk collection of data expiring? you're also going to see a few other provisions expire including one that deals with roving wiretaps. this allows investigator to track suspect who's are constantly changing phones, and another provision that deals with lone wolves which allows investigators to track individuals who might have links to would-be terrorists. so senior administration officials say, look those provisions are essential to national security. it is going to be a nail-biter.
as you and i have been saying all weekend, these programs are so complex that the nsa is going start to dismantle them at 4:00 this afternoon. by 8:00 they will all be but shut down if the senate doesn't act. alex? >> kristin, thank you very much. comprehensive report there from the white house. meantime everyone condolences are pouring in for vice president jonesboro-- vice president joe biden and his family after he lost his son to brain cancer. he is the eldest son of the vice president, attorney general of delaware, and planned on running for governor there in 2016. beau was diagnosed with brain cancer in 2015 and successfully underwent surgery and chemotherapy. just a few weeks ago, beau was admitted to walter reed army medical center for treatment. he died surrounded by his family. he's 46. he's survived by his wife and two children. later, we'll have more on the legacy he leaves behind. he was one of the good guys. developing now, secretary of state john kerry's making an unexpected and early return trip to the u.s. this hour after
breaking his leg in a bike crash in france earlier this morning. he was airlifted to geneva, switzerland, for treatment where he had been for ongoing nuclear talks with iran. we have the latest from london. >> reporter: the state department confirmed secretary kerry broke his right femur. that's the bone in his right thigh, this morning biking in france. kerry was airlifted to a swiss hospital. we're told he never lost consciousness and is now in stable condition. the accident happened about 25 miles from geneva where kerry has been in ongoing nuclear talks with iran's foreign minister. the associated press reports that a paramedic traveling with kerry's motorcade examined the secretary of state after his bike apparently hit a curb. x-rays showed that he did break his right leg, but officials stress his life is not in any danger. kerry was supposed to be traveling to madrid later today for meetings with spain's king and his prime minister. after that two days in paris for an international conference
on isis. it's unclear if anybody will be taking his place at that conference. as of now, the two visits are obviously canceled. kerry's spokesman says because the break is close to where he had hip surgery, he is flying back to boston to see the doctor who did the surgery at mass general. kerry, as you know, has been a big outdoorsman, avid cycler and cycling fan since childhood. you might remember the 2004 wind surfing picture from the 2004 election cycle. even though the break is quite a beg deal, the family souray bad and painful break, he is said to be in good spirits. like? >> we're glad for that. thank you very much. texas finally see something relief after nearly a week of record-breaking storms and deadly floods. hundreds of volunteers, young and old coming out to help with the cleaning and rescue efforts in areas hit hard. >> my mom and dad told me that because our house wasn't really hit, we were high on a cliff that we should give back because
we didn't really get hit. there are other people that really, really did. and so we wanted to help out. >> that's a terrific young man there. rivers are starting to recede after some crested at 49 feet. houston was hammered with heavy rain again raft night. in some areas -- last night. some areas getting 3.5 inches. we have more on the recovery effort from the tonwn of wimberley. how's it going there? >> reporter: volunteers are back at it this morning helping search for the missing and helping with cleanup of? 1, 1,-200 homes. now the skies are agree and overcast. but no vain -- no rain is falling. we're seeing river levels drop. rain swept through the area yesterday bringing up memories of memorial day weekend's violent storms. there were no problems to report report, that rain clearing quickly. we're seeing command center truck after truck of donors pulling up to hand off supplies cleaning supplies personal
items, food to people in need. we also talked to some of the kitchen workers and volunteer chefs, keeping these people going out in the field. one woman telling me she prepared 1,200 lunches for these hard-working volunteers. they're about to get a break from the weather the next few days. expected to be clear, just scattered thunderstorms across texas. giving them a chance to play catchup with the recovery efforts. back to you. >> thank you for that. we are following breaking news out of new york right now where a crane has crashed into a building in midtown manhattan. now according to witnesses, that crane hit a 30-story building it's on madison avenue. it was attempting apparently to lift some sort of a piece of heavy machinery to the roof. city officials said that ten people have suffered minor injuries from debris that fell to the ground. and new york city's mayor, bill de blasio said there would be a complete investigation to determine what went wrong. rand paul's fight against the patriot angt -- patriot act,
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declare and declared candidates. to get a sense of this sarah westwood from the "washington examiner." welcome to you. i want to start with the gop field. are there any of the candidates distinguishing themselves from the crowd? how can anyone do that? where will the opportunities be? >> it's interesting that some of the candidates that are consistently topping the polls at this point haven't even declared a campaign yet. you see that with jeb bush wisconsin governor scott walker. they're consistently ranked as the top candidates in some of the early primary states. yet they haven't yet announced their campaign. it's difficult for any one candidate to stake out territory at this point because there are so many. we haven't had any debates yet. and very few major policy issues for candidates to distinguish themselves on. the patriot act is one of the first big benchmark issues that we've encountered. >> yeah. and that would be to rand paul's favorite in terms of if he's looking to distinguish himself from the others.
what are the political risks that he faces by doing so? >> well, he's risked painting himself as an obstructionist as someone who isn't willing to work with the other side or even with his own colleagues. when you see his fellow republicans attempting to stake out a more moderate position, they want to pass a compromise that saw support in the house rand paul has been adamant that he doesn't want any of these patriot act provisions to continue after today. and he definitely risks drawing the ire of the senate leadership. and that could make his life difficult for the next 18 months in his day job being in the senate while he also runs for president. >> to your point, let's listen to some fellow republicans today talking about rand paul. here's that. >> i think he's wrong. i don't understand why if it's going to happen wednesday or thursday he doesn't allow it to happen today. it is putting american at risk
for a political reason. i think it's wrong, and i think it's unfortunate. >> when he peers through strength, all the weakness does is provoke our enemies, we're not going to defeat evil through weak not. unfortunately, senator paul doesn't understand that. >> do you think paul's stance might make him more appealing to a broader coalition of voters outside the traditional gop voter? the rest of the candidates in the gop are pretty much striking the same tone. >> reporter: right. this is definitely an area where rand paul has the chance to be unique. there are a wide swath of americans that feel strongly about not having data collected by the government. and he doesn't necessarily frame the issue as weakness versus strength in terms of a military readiness and intelligence. he frames as t as liberty versus tyranny, as the government overshadowing people's liberties by collecting this data. that's not necessarily how his colleagues see it. if that message does resonate with americans, maybe this isn't the worst strategy his campaign can be taking now. >> carly fiorina was asked on
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a new report is painting a dismal picture for today's college graduates. an estimated 2.8 million university graduates are now entering the u.s. work force. and this is what they have to look forward to. an unemployment rate of 13.8%. compare that with the average in of 5.4% and you've got a lot of anxious young people. not to mention their parents. joining me is leam mcgrath good man. welcome to you. let's talk about the numbers specifically. 13.8% is rough. but you've written that that's an improvement. >> yeah. it is an improvement from a year ago. we were over 15% a year ago. what hasn't change sudden that 40% of all unemployed people minutes -- millennials are between 18 and 29. >> are you finding that 40% of the unemployed in the u.s. by
millennials, does it feed into an idea of work ethic or immediate gratification of expectation? >> it does. i'm glad you brought that up. what we've been hearing for so long is, well are they entitled, they lazy? certainly they're a different generation. and they are in many ways you know work differently because they use the internet so much. but at the same time, most millennials are coming out of school now or have already been out of school in a much more competitive environment. they have -- this age group has -- is facing the longest sustained downturn in unemployment since the bureau of labor statistics started putting out data. so not only are there more of them now than any other generation, they superseded baby-boomers this year as the largest group. they're coming out with one of the worst job markets for them that we've seen for anybody in that age group in the history of the united states. >> so how are they trying to stand out are any particular strategies working?
>> well, what really makes a difference is job experience. but of course, if you're just coming out of university -- >> total catch 22. >> it is a catch 22. you need experience to get a job. you need a job to get experience. that's what i'm hearing from a lot of them that this is a problem. one of the other things i'm hearing is that even though most of them have more student loan debt and are better educated than any other generation, one of them was saying they want to pay more for a master's. everyone has a master's. it's now considered normal to have a master's. you don't get extra credit for that. >> what you're saying the lack of ability to get a job coming out with a lot of debt from your education, that is not lost on the prospective students. it's a -- starting to affect college enrollment right? >> yes. some students are rethinking whether or not they want to go to college. if you maybe have an older brother or sister or went to college and still can't get a job, now they have student loan debt, if you that were younger child, you might ask yourself, do i really want to do this. you know, do i want to do that -- >> if you don't have a college
degree you're out of luck. it used to be a high school degree could provide you a middle-class income. not so anymore. >> yeah. there are very few places in the united states now where you can have a normal way of life on a nonuniversity education. there are some that are still -- i'm going look at this next in my work. it is very rare now. and you're right, it's a catch 22 all around. do you go to school, don't they, what's going to help them? >> when they get jobs, is there any area in which they're finding them? >> well one thing that i am finding is that the students are going to universities, for example, northeastern, and by the way i have no relationship with northeastern, but they involve thing like work experience, as parts of going to school. so it's -- it nixes things like real-life work experience with classes -- it mixes things like real-life work experiences with classes. those students are finding it much easier to get jobs. whatever a student does, they want to look for a program where the university takes seriously experience counts. >> yeah. absolutely. which makes i guess these
internships even more valuable than they used to be. >> yes. >> come back and see us when you have the next set of things figured out and report. >> i will. >> thank you very much. the travel ban is ending for the taliban five. does it mean the extremists exchanged for bowe bergdahl go wherever they want? even back to the battlefield? i will take beauty into my own hands. olay regenerist. it regenerates surface cells. new skin is revealed in only 5 days. without drastic measures. stunningly youthful. award-winning skin. from the world's #1. olay your best beautiful
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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." condolences are pouring in for vice president joe biden and his family after news that he lost his son beau to brain cancer. it is heartbreaking. what kind of reaction is beau biden's passing getting? >> reporter: it is just heartbreaking, alex. the nation's capital is in mourning. vice president joe biden announced his son's death in a statement saying beau biden passed awayality walter reed army medical center saturday night -- after a valiant fight. he was surrounded by his family including his wife, parents, and children. ♪
>> reporter: those who knew beau biden say he was a public servant with a big heart and broad smile who valued family above all else. vice president biden announced his son's passing late saturday night, writing in a statement, "it is with broken hearts that hally, hunter ashley jill and i announce the passing of our husband, brother, and son, beau after he battled brain cancer with the same integrity, courage, and strength he demonstrated every day of his life." president obama also writing in part, "michelle and i are grieving. beau biden was a friend of ours." going on to writes that biden was a man "who made a difference in the lives of all he touched." he lives on in their hearts. the younger biden was diagnosed with brain cancer nearly two years ago. a diagnosis he and his family largely kept private. still, after aggressive treatment, he was given a clean bill of health. earlier this year, he suffered a relapse and was admitted to walter reed a week and a half ago. born in 1969 in wilmington,
delaware joseph robinetett -- robinette was an iraq war veteran, awarded the barry bonds star. his greatest priority, his wife and two children, natalie and hunter. for the bidens, this is not the first time tragedy has struck. in 1972, beau was a little boy when he was injured in a car accident that killed his sister and mother. his father, joe biden, had just been elected to the u.s. senate and was famously sworn in at beau's bedside. a heavy topic that beau talked about while introducing his father at the 2008 democratic national convention. >> one of my earliest memories was being in that hospital. my dad always at our side. we, my brother and i, not the senate, were all that he care good. >> reporter: condolences are pouring in for a young man whose future seemed as bright as his father's. and biden was widely expected to run for the governor of delaware
in 2016, speaking for his entire family, joe biden said, "be you can't biden was quite simply -- beau biden was quite simply one of the best men there was." >> thank you very much. key provisions of patriot act set to expire less than 12 hours from now. the senate will convene in 2.5 hours in an attempt to work out a compromise. that could be difficult. senator rand paul says he will force expiration of what he calls the nsa's illegal spy program. let's find out what's at stake. joining me is david hudson of the first amendment center. welcome to you, david. the three main points set to expire, they are the section 215, the lone wolf provision and roving wiretaps provision. walk us through the provisions and the impacts of their expiration. >> well, section 215 is probably the most controversial provision of the patriot act. it allows the government to essentially claim any record by
saying that we can have this record if it is relevant to any terrorism investigation. there's no need to show probable cause, there's no need to show reasonable suspicion. and the government's interpretation of relevance as the second u.s. circuit court of appeals said was unwarranted and unprecedented and did not justify the nsa's bulk telephone metadata collection program. so for a lot of slish terrence and those who care deeply about first and fourth amendment freedoms, section 215, there's a good argue that it should expire -- good argument that it should expire. the lone wolf provision is interesting. that does allow the government to track individuals who are not directly connected with isis al qaeda, or another known terrorist group. however, the government has admitted that they provision has not been used. so if the provision has not been used, it's hard to really quantify its efficacy in
battling terror. roving wiretaps is a provision where the government has said, well, a lot of these terrorists will easily dispose of different communication devices, we need the ability to have roving wiretaps to continuously surveil and monitor these individuals. >> what's interesting here is the issue finds you've got senator rand paul aclu "new york times" editorials on the same page. they all want the act to expire. in term of "the new york times," they write, "it has become clear that the intelligence agencies were interpreting the patriot act in ways that was not what officials authorized." do you think it's gone beyond the authors of congress? >> yes, several of the authors of the patriot act made that point. that the government has overstepped its bounds and interpreted several of these provisions in too broad a fashion. which has allowed average americans to be surveilled.
in mass government surveillance is a threat to first and fourth amendment freedoms. >> how valid is the argument? the civil libertarians who say this erodes the bill of rights? >> i think certain provisions of the patriot act erode the bill of right. we have to remember the patriot act itself, i believe, was a 342-page law that amended at least 15 different federal laws. and many of the provisions of the patriot act made key technological update that's perhaps needed to be made. however, certain key provisions of the patriot act particularly with broad governmental interpretations, have eroded key provisions of the bill of rights. >> david hudson from the first amendment center, thanks for keening an eye on things for us. we appreciate the conversation. thanks. >> thank you. to overseas now, the end of today the travel ban expires for the five taliban leaders released from guantanamo bay. this in exchange for army sergeant bowe bergdahl. the so-called taliban five have been under government supervision in qatar for the
past year. their potential release comes amid surging violence in afghanistan since the end of u.s. combat operations. joining me now here in studio journalist and academy award nominated filmmaker sebastian younger, younger,and he has a new article in "vanity fair" looking at how ptsd became a problem far beyond the battlefield. i'm glad to have you here. thank you very much. also the congratulations on "last patrol." i mentioned how fabulous that was for you. before your piece, i want to ask you about afghanistan. you've been covering for years now. so since well before the u.s. invasion, you've gotten a sense of what it's like there. should we be worried about the taliban still at this point? >> oh, yeah. i mean there are very effective military force. i imagine that they're waging an offensive now, possibly in anticipation of a possible discussion of a peace agreement. of course you want to talk with
your adversary in any agreement like that from a position of strength. and that may be what they're trying to do. >> the taliban five, what are they -- should we be afraid they're going back to the battle field? >> if they're back on the battlefield, they can be killed. where they are now they can't. taking them off the battlefield obviously didn't diminish the taliban effectiveness as a military force. i don't think it's a game changing either way. that's a guess. >> i want to talk about the article. fittingli, it begins when you returned from afghanistan in 2000 on one of your many trips this. and you had suffered a rocket barrage attack while you were there stuck with your buddies you get to a new york subway and have what was later described as being ptsd to you. you had a panic attack. you were up against a wall. tell me what happened. >> yeah. it -- it was a situation where i had no control. i wasn't with the u.s. military. i was with northern alliance fighters, and they had no artillery. were getting hammered for an hour.
it was terrifying. i got back to new york i was in northern afghanistan -- >> you were fine coming back? sleeping all right? >> i was totally fine. i didn't think about it. i didn't know the term ptsd. there was i was in the new york subway at rush hour, and i live here, all of a sudden i absolutely full-blown panic attack. his no idea it had to do with the combat i'd just been in. no idea. i thought i was going crazy. and i've since learned that many veterans and journalist have said that's exactly -- crowded bars subway any place that's chaotic and noisy and they don't have control because there's too many people, that trigger panic attacks. it has nothing to did with battlefield conditions. but something about it is really hard to take. >> is there a way to predict who might become victim to this? who might as an individual be sent single in. >> well, everyone reacts to trauma by having a temporary
reaction. so you get anxious, you don't sleep well. that's a normal, healthy reaction to danger. long term, long-term reaction is actually quite rare, and obviously can be classified as a disorder. the people that tend to get long-term reaction to trauma there's a correlation with people who suffered abuse or trauma as children lower education, lower intelligence. there's a lot of risk factors like being male is a risk factor for heart disease. there are risk factors for trauma amp one of the things i found is that the intensity of the trauma wasn't very good at predicting the rate of long-term ptsd. people who have been traumatized. seems to be connected to the cohesiveness of the society you return to. >> it's interesting because you bring up at that point you talked about rape which is as an individual, i should think one of the most grueling thing,
absolutely. and yet, they may not carry on or hold on to ptsd for that. they recover more quickly. >> virtually 100% of rape victims, whether male or female, have -- exhibit trauma symptoms immediately afterwards understandably. but the recovery rate's quite good. something around 50%. way better than combat veterans. and what someone explained to me was that there is absolutely nothing good about rape. so it's not a complicated thing to extracts yourself from psychologically. whereas combat contains a lot of very real trauma. but also some good things and very intense connection to other people, a sense photographternity. what's hard for veterans is disentangling the good from the bad. keeping the good and moving on from the bad. that's very hard to do. >> i want to go with what you close the article with. you write, in part "a community ceremony might also begin to
reassemble a societies that has been spiritually cannibalizing itself for generations. we keep wondering how to save the vets. the real question is how to save ourselves. if we do that, the vets will be fine. if we don't, it won't matter anyway." are you hopeful that can happen? >> i think -- i think -- i'm talking about modern society, not just america. i think modern society is incredibly inventive and creative. actually i think we can solve just about any problem including global warming. i think this problem of modernity and its terrible effect on mental health including peitz but also under pressure, anxiety, everything else, as income goes up so do mental health issues. i think modern society can figure it out. but it's a very very important test. >> good to see you. the article's in "vanity fair." see you again. whether does letting your young children walk alone to a park become neglect? one of the free range parent joins me next.
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a legal victory for the maryland free-range parents. they have been cleared of child neglect charges for letting their children walk home alone if a local park. the family gained national notice when the parents were charged back in december. the parents, danielle and alexander, said they are responsible parent who are teaching their children responsibility. joining us the family's tonight with danielle. i'll -- family's attorney with danielle. i'll reach out. were you surprised by the reaction to letting your kids walk home on, loan? >> very. very surprised. this is just something diaz a kid. it didn't occur to me that it would cause such an international furor to do it with my kids. >> the criticism, barrage of criticism, how did you handle that? >> honestly overall people have been supportive. i've received hundreds of messages. people saying, you know, we can't believe the government's getting into your life like
this. and people remembering that they did it as kids. for the most part people have been supportist. >> i want to know horse -- supportive. >> i want to know how far they walked. there have been varying reports. >> the furthest they've gone is a mile. in december and april, both times picked up by police. they were one mile from our house. >> what were the skills that you taught your children to make sure they'd be safe while walking that mile? >> we started with the basics making sure they knew how to cross the street they only crossed at the crosswalks. they held hands with each other. also making sure they knew the neighborhood. i wouldn't drop them a mile away, you know in some other place. really is a neighborhood they've walked before with us. you know and made sure they knew how to get in touch with us, they know our address, our phone number. they are allowed to talk to strangers, but they're not allowed to go away with anything. the skills i learned. >> i learned them too. those are the skills i taught my kids. will you acknowledge that today is a different time than when
you or i were growing up? i mean the concept of danger safety predators all of that out there, it's more complicated these days. >> it definitely is a different time. it's, in fact, a lot safer than i was a kid. i grew up in new york city at a time when there was a lot more crime. and no parents would have thought twice about letting their kids do this. it was just a given. what has changed is that we hear a lot more about crime. so we are kind of fooled into thinking they're more common when they're a lot less common. and we also have kind of accepted this hovering idea which, frankly i think is bad for kids. >> yeah. matthew, these child neglect charges were dropped in one case. there's a pending case there. what can you tell us about that? >> that's right. we succeeded in winning the second, the investigation based on the incident in december. we're waiting to hear back from cps on the current pending investigation. we expect to hear back within the next two weeks or so. and based on the outcome that they were ruled out, charges
were ruled out, we don't see how cps can come to any other conclusion but ruling out child neglect charges in the second incident, as well. >> but when cps is trying to impose a safety plan, what's that all about? how much are you opposed to that being that they're -- the institution is trying to tell this individual mom and father what to do? >> well in certain circumstances, cps does have to impose a safety plan on certain families, under the right circumstances. there was no basis to impose a safety plan in this circumstance or in any circumstance when it's based solely on two children walking home from a local neighborhood park. as danielle was saying, this is what we've done as kids. this is what kids have done for generations. in fact, it's much safer these days than it was in the past. >> so danielle, what do you say to your kids? i mean how old are they now is. >> 10 and-- how old are they now? >> 10 and 6.
>> how do you tell them about what's happening and what you're fighting for and their reaction to all that? >> they have a pretty good idea of what's they're pretty excited about it. they understand that we're fighting for all families. we're fighting for children's rights. frankly, this is the best lesson you can ever give a kid in being involved in your government, in making policy and really standing up for your rights. to them the constitution is not just a piece of paper. they get that these are real rights that we're fighting for. >> they probably have some interesting futures that we will all be talking about in their future and say, look what you've accomplished because of what you learned as a young age. when is theresolved? >> the next two weeks from cps, but that doesn't end the case. we have to make sure this investigation, which was unnecessary, doesn't happen in the future to them or other maryland families teaching their kids how to walk in the world. how to deal with real-life
situations and how to become independent, confident, young children who will be productive members of society. we're moving forward with a civil action, and we'll have more news on that in the future. >> okay. we'll be watching as well. thank you for your time, both of you. appreciate that. >> thanks. it is the dark side of the sun. are you sure your sunscreen is keeping you safe? ves you... ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands... ...this isn't that car. the first and only car with direct adaptive steering. ♪ the 328 horsepower q50 from infiniti.
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effective. >> anything over 50, often the ingredients are irritating to the skin and you're not getting additional benefit for sun protection. you have to replyapply from the start. >> what if you're in the watt center. >> look for a water resistant product. two ratings. 40 minutes and 80 minutes. it must be reapplied after that point. like you said, when you're in direct sunlight after two hours, you need to reapply. >> yeah. and we talked about in this study, there are some products and you're mentioning them that will irritate or be dangerous for the skin. >> that's right. >> how do you know which are going to work for you? >> it's interesting. that's when -- consumers most of the time have an aversion to the texture or feel of a product. that's why we're not wearing our spf. that's why we have skin cancer today. people are not wearing it every single day. a study was done where over 86% of consumers knew that sun
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