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son. i had my aunt move this with me my grandmother helped raise me, i had a new mom five years later. so i've been a very lucky man. >> that was beau biden on "morning joe" back in 120nin 2012. he passed away over the weekend. flags are flying at half-staff in delaware to mourn the loss of its former attorney general, eldest son of joe biden who followed his father into public service and is being mourned today as a dedicated prosecutor soldier, son, brother, husband and father. he put together a remarkable beautiful retrospective on his life that we'll have in just a bit. >> we'll be talking a lot more about beau today and about the biden family and about the challenges that joe biden and the family has faced through the years. >> says so much willie about we love joe biden we've talked
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about that we have fun with him, but really it is such a measure of a man when you see a son so beautiful and dedicated to all the right things. you rook atlook at beau's life and incredible. just 46 years old. >> he was joe by devon's son biden's son, but you look at his own life, from government to military to his family, a remarkable guy. if we'll talk more about it later, owe its own a devastating tragedy, but when you put it in context of the other losses they have suffered, it's hard to blif believe believe. >> and beau biden, his father could not have believed may not have believed but after he'd been elected senator at 29 joe biden, that beau would even survive the crash. that was so devastating.
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they couldn't even recognize his mother. and he was beaten up. he was cut up in a hospital. and his father who had just achieved the impossible dream couldn't care less about the senate and he stayed by his side and he stayed by his brother's side until they got better. and it's a remarkable family and it's a remarkable life. again, we will be talking more about this great man, his great father and his great family. >> we have capitol hill where we begin this morning, where several key parts of the patriot act are no longer in effect right now after the senate failed to reach a deal before a midnight deadline. at least for now this means the nsa's bulk collection of phone records must come to an end. the senate though did vote to advance a surveillance reform bill already passed by the house. but the republican senator and presidential candidate rand paul who has been fighting all this
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is taking credit for delaying action on the measure and triggering the lapse. >> the question we have to act ourselves is are we really willing, are we so frightened that we're willing to give up our freedoms? are we willing to really trade liberty for security? people here in town think i'm making a huge mistake. some of them i think secretly want there to be an attack on the understand so that they can blame it on me. so the ones who say, well, when an attack occurs it will be all your fault are any of them willing to accept the blame? we have bulk collection now. are any of them willing to accept the blame for the boston bombing, for the recent shooting this garland? no but they will be the first to point fingers and say, oh, yeah, it's all your fault, we never should have given up on this great program. >> willie, we both flinched at the same time when rand paul
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said some secretly want this country to be attacked. >> he's had a huge impact on this debate and if you agree it's been a good impact for him, it's changed the way we look at surveillance. but to suggest that any sitting senator would invite or welcome a terrorist attack to prove them right is pretty sad. >> yeah it is. i can't believe they're not going to move forward and pass something that's pretty aggressive. i think this is something that sounds great on college campuses to debate and i'm not talking about liberty sounds great to debate, i'm talking about keeping americans safe. and i think most americans do want a strong act. and very anxious to see what happens. we'll be of course to guests today putting together a bill to move it forward and keep the
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surveillance going. but this is -- in a sense it's frightening, but i will say the thing i do love is that we're having this open debate. it's a really important debate to have. and let's go ahead and fight it out like they did yesterday. and then very with the open debate unlike we did before. and then pass a final bill. >> it created a surreal sight on the senate floor as republican colleagues went after paul's actions including mitch mcconnell who has endorsed him for president. >> so these aren't theoretical threats, mr. president. it's not a theoretical threat. they're with us every day. we have to face up to them. we shouldn't be disarming unilaterally as our enemies grow more sophisticated and aggressive. and we certainly should not be doing so based on a campaign of demagoguery and disinformation
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launched in the wake of the unlawful actions of edward snowden. who was last seen in russia. >> mr. president, i have the floor. >> mr. president, i want the regular order. and i'd ask if the senator will heed to a question. senator from kentucky should learn the rules of the senate. >> i'd be happy to yield to the senator from arizona for a question. sfwr maybe the senator from kentucky should know the rules of the senate. >> oh, boy. >> all that talk over sounds like "morning joe" except they're a lot younger. i hate when they do that i can't copncentrate. >> the white house too, took a swipe at senator paul saying we call on the senate to ensure this ire responsible lapse in authorities is as short lived as possible on a matter as critical as our national security. individual senators must act
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swiftly. but senator paul telling nbc news he has no regrets about all this. >> do you think you accomplished something tonight, sir? >> yeah government's bulling collection of records will end. >> and do you feel like this time in between before telephone companies were to take over do you have any concerns about safety? >> i'm always concerned about our country's safety and i think that the constitution is a great and powerful tool for collecting records on people you have sus suspicion on. so i think we shouldould collect more records on terrorists. i just don't want to collects them on innocent americans. >> lindsayey graham is expected -- >> here we go. why are you laufuyou laufghing? >> to launch his bid. i love lindsey. i disagree with some of the
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things he's said on sfornforeign policy, but he just makes me smile. he's a fun guy. also willie geist, you know how when we fought nam before would go up in the bomber, we'd write the names of our girlfriends, you know on the bombs and like this is for you. >> thought you never had any girlfriends. >> no nobody does like me. but -- well, willie would. i would just say go mets. it was '69. >> okay. >> so this is getting somewhere. so lindsey graham's campaign, that bomb it just has rand paul's name on it. >> well, there is that. >> there is a heat seeking rand paul missile. >> and he's been on the and hall train rand paul train for a long time. >> way down in the poll his home state papers questioning his chances this morning. at this point he doesn't even qualify for the debate. >> it's early. >> meanwhile -- >> it's too early.
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it's a year off or something. >> another candidate facing long odds joined the race this weekend weekend, martin o'malley formally declared on saturday morning in baltimore, the city he once served as mayor. in an uphill fight against hillary clinton, o'malley had tough words for wall street. >> we need to prosecute cheat, we need to reinstate glass-steagall. and if a bank is too big to fail without wrecking our nation's economy, then we need to break it up before it breaks us again. recently the ceo of goldman sachs let his employees know that he'd be just fine with either bush or clinton. i bet he would. well, i've got news for the bullies of wall street. the presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth by you between two royal families.
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>> wow. that's tough talk. especially against a man who we're hoping one day, willie will hire us. >> oh, lloyd blankfein. >> i want a job with lloyd. >> he has a good point. >> not about lloyd being a bully. >> everyone who gets in this race on the democratic side or is thinking about getting in the race on the democratic side is swinging way out to the left of hillary clinton. they're talking -- this is elizabeth warren's mess smg. she's not in the case but they have all adopted her message against hillary. >> and it may in time pull hillary further left. but we'll see. but, yeah that does sound an awful lot like bernie and elizabeth warren. >> what i want to know is what she's really going to do what any of these people are really going to do, not what they're going to say. their actions and their past and their histories and their records will tell you what they will do. o'malley has a long way to go to convince voters including his fellow democrats. last week's quinnipiac poll shows him down at 1%.
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>> it's early. we got a year to go. >> even trailing bernie sanders. >> but look at bernie at 15%. >> look at bernie's crowd yesterday, more than 3,000 supporters at a rally in minneapolis. just saying. >> 3,000. >> it comes as he faces questions about a controversial essay that he wrote more than 40 years ago. >> look, this is a piece of fiction that i wrote in 1972 i think. that was 43 years ago. it was very poorly written and if you read it what it was dealing with gender stereotypes. why some men like to oppress women, why other women leak to be submissive. you know, something like 50"50 shades of grey". he very poorly written 43 years ago. what i'm focusing on right now are the issues impacting the american people today. >> yes no don't go into it.
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he just went into it a little too much. it was fiction, it was 43 years ago. that's it. he kind of went there. he does have a haircut though. it's not as crazy as it was before. i kind of like it crazy. >> i tend to agree with him that this should not be -- >> what he wrote 43 years ago, willie? what is wrong with you? >> you'll get killed online. >> but i hope we hold all candidates on both sides to the same standard what did you 43 years ago unless a heinous crime may not be relevant in 2015. both parties. >> you brought up the greatest point last week about how, yeah it's 43 years ago, and you're like wait a second the "washington post" put mitt romney on the front of its newspaper because he may have given a boy a haircut 50 years ago when he was 17 years old.
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>> the prep school incident. >> oh, he's a prep school bully. and again, i wonder if rick santorum had written and we asked this question last puig, that women like to be raped by three men and that men whatever -- i won't repeat it. >> because his record and his views are not -- it's not because he's a republican. >> there is no justification for that. don't evenjustify. >> i'm not doing it. >> what has rick santorum ever done in his life? nothing. to be able to al toe able to judge him 43 years ago but not sanders. this is the willie geist standard. let's hold everybody to the same standard. >> we'll debate this later. john kerry is cutting short his trip in europe after breaking his femur in a bike accident in
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france. file tape of a similar ride in march is what you're looking at. kerry was riding in france south of the swiss border where the talks are taking place. a local newspaper said kerry fell near the beginning of the ride near the mountain route k4 has been which has been part of the tour de france more than a dozen times. he hit a curb. the 71-year-old was hospitalized in geneva where w.ith a broken femur. it's not life threatening. he's returning home today seeking treatment in boston because the fracture is near the site of his earlier hip surgery. his daughter's a doctor. he'll be in good hands. >> we're thinking of him and he hit a curb, wasn't hit by a car anything like that, but i talked to you about this offline. i live up in connecticut. and most connecticut, you know winddy roads, whatever, you get out in the country. and these guys you can tell they work on wall street and i'm
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not talking brokeabout john kerry here, but how dangerous this is, i had r. i'd be pulling out with my kids and these guys would be going around around the corner at 50 miles an hour. i'd have to swerve. and i've seen since moving to connecticut between guys get hit by cars because they whiz around going that fast. and flying through the air. it is so dangerous. >> central park is having the problem. >> it is so dangerous and they are so reckless. and i'm not talking about john kerry. and they need to figure out a safer way it like prove that they're macho. because they will kill themselves. i'm sorry, it's the truth. >> you see it in central park.
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>> they have had a couple two very bad incidents. >> we're not talking about john kerry. >> no, he hit a occur. but it is dangerous. dennis hastert's name is no longer on the public policy center of his alma mater after he was in-tightsed of charges of lying to the fbi about alleged payments to cover up past high school conduct. a law enforcement official confirms to nbc news that hastert appaefrptly paid nearly $2 million to conceal sexual abuse with a man who was a student where hastert once taught. as nbc's pete williams reports he's now facing charges for instructing more than $900,000 in bank withdrawals to avoid reporting requirements but not for the alleged high schoolmisconduct. >> the government doesn't claim that mr. hastert's payment of this money was illegal. and he's not charged with this whatever happened 30 years ago. that is one, not anything the federal government could bring a charge on, and, two, well blond the statute of limitations in the state. the other thing is the federal
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government says they're not charging "individual a" which we believe to have been a former student with extortion for two reasons. one is you have to have a victim and mr. has territorytert has never claimed he was distorted, and they're satisfied that there was an element of agreement here not just flat out shakedown. >> gosh. everything you look at differently now. i saw a clip i think it was c-span where he took a call in from sort of a mocking town saying remember me and it was very awkward and i think they hung up the call. but. >> there are no words. this was a complete shock. we had looked to denyny who was going to clean up the mess after newt, bob livingston.
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he with wanted paxton to replace newt and everything blew up. and there was the coup. but denny was going to be the sane rational common sense guy that was going to take control. it's mind boggling. >> a guy that you hadn't heard from in a long time. he'd sord of gone under the radar a bit in washington and the national stage since he left congress. and now the story has opened up this pandora's box and pieces open the weekend about what exactly he's been doing since we saw him last serving in congress personally, approximately. maybe taking too much material money to pay for his private lifestyle, things like that. still ahead on "morning joe," more on lindsey graham joining the field for 2016. also new polling out of iowa and the top republican right how who is now someone who isn't even an official candidate. plus it's such good news. walmart, everybody will get $15 an hour. i just found out from watching
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maybe it's because i just love the news, but at the time, i thought every job i ever had was the best job in the world. i'll be honest i'm going to miss being in the middle of things but the one thing i will never forget is the trust you placed in me and how nice you were to have me as a guest in your home over so many years. that meant the world to me. and it always will. thank you. >> bob schieffer yesterday as he retires from cbs news after nearly half a century. 24 of those years he also moderated "face the nation." and i want to talk about it with al hunt. al is this washingtonin washington right now. bob is a giant and there are fewer and fewer giants roaming the media worlds and he's one we'll miss. >> we'll miss him terribly. he is a chieffer just did it well.
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i have no idea what bob schieffer's politics are, i don't think most do and it did not matter. he was a reporter throughout his whole life and i think that's terribly important. and the sheafers serhe sheaf it's a vanishing breed. >> sam stein, your memory all the way back to 2013 first saw "face the nation." >> yeah, i was six. >> his questions are so good. like that tom cotton exchange. he's -- >> what i liked about him is that he didn't talk too much. he just kept it simple and let the person dig his own grave. just like joe. just not that big a talker. >> yes. >> i saw your eyes.
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>> we see those old pictures though, of him at the kennedy assassination, but his career is the span of american history over half a century. and don't forget about ten years ago, he stepped in to a tough situation at cbs news when dan rather left. kind of saved the news division for a year or so there. >> al, bob schieffer taught news executives or should have a lesson. many of them are just pure bred 100% idiots who say we're going to get younger viewers by putting on younger people to read the news with orange hair and zuit suits. i don't even know what the kids are wearing now. but anyway, you get my bigger point. they think whatever the fashion is now we'll put it out there
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we'll make news dumber we're going to make the news hole smaller. and that's going to get the demo in. bob schieffer was like 72 he did better than katie on cbs evening news. nobody ever thought he would. and then for a very long time, he took face the"face the nation" to first place in the demo. not all the time. but a hell of a lot more than people thought. and it should teach somebody a lesson that younger is not always better. >> joe, it also should teach a lesson that just good solid journalism. bob didn't worry about buzz. bob didn't worry about the passing fancy of the day. bob didn't worry about trying to be unnecessarily provocative. he was just good. he was tough as willie said a moment ago or i guess mika said with tom cot top but he was
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tough with democrats, too. he was just good journalism. and he practiced it and people watched it and people respected it. and it mattered. and i think a lot of people could learn from that. >> a lot of people could learn from that and it was like a guy named russert who came out of nowhere and wasn't flashy. he just asked great questions. >> sometimes with a chuckle. all right. well we'll get back to bob's departure. but as we mentioned earlier, republican senator lindsey graham is set to become the ninth candidate to enter the race. kasie hunt has more on the contender who is putting foreign policy at the center of his pitch. >> if i'm president of the united states, and you're thinking about joining al qaeda or isil, i'm not going to call a judge, i'm going to call a drone and we will kill you. >> reporter: senator lindsey graham has become one of the
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republican party's loudest hawks. >> i'm running because i think the world is faulting apart. >> reporter: today he's set to announce he's running in his home state of south carolina. one reason? presidential candidate rand paul who graham says would be worse on foreign policy than president obama and hillary clinton. >> rand paul is one step behind will leading from behind. rand paul is behind obama, not just hillary clinton. >> reporter: that from a politician who helped lead the charge to impeach bill clinton. >> he sent his friends to rye s tos to lie for him. >> reporter: since then graham has built a friendly reputation. his best trend infriend in the senate john mccain, is already behind him p. and he has a compelling pin al personal story. >> i'm the first person in my family to ever go to college. i was raised in the back of a liquor store.
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>> reporter: his challenge, standing out from a long list. even in his home state where marco rubio is building a strong organization. >> i may be in a position to endorse some candidate, i'm not sure exactly which one at this point. >> reporter: and it's thought clear that the compromise message can win him votes from the conservative activists.thought clear that the compromise message can win him votes from the conservative activists. >> and there is also a growing tendency in both parties i think amongst the hardest of the hard it's not enough to agree on the issue, you actually have to hate the other people. i'm not going to spend my life doing that. >> kasie, there is a message that will cut through, that i know a lot of people put that on a bumper stickner northwest florida. i won't call a judge, i'll call a drone. >> don't drone me, bro, the rand paul people say. look, this is a long shot bid, but senator graham has a way of managing to get the message that he wants to be heard out there into the ether.
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and think he knows that he's somebody that we all will pay attention to and he is goes forward here. i also think you have to think about him in the context of his home state of south carolina. he is a household name there. the first in the nation prime -- first in the south primary, excuse me has a long history of pickingrd shal candidates. 2012 they went with newt which was a mistake, about you before that, they tapped the person who eventually became the nominee. and i think graham's presence if he's still in by the time we get to the south carolina primary could potentially have big ramifications. think whatabout it could mean for jeb bush for example. >> no doubt about it. lindsay oig could take a big chunk ever the voters. >> al hunt bloomberg has new polling out of iowa. let's take a look at the gop side. scott walker in the lead at 17%. see, i'm not surprised by this. are you, al? >> no, he solidified his
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position in iowa impressively in the last couple months. he's not only in the lead, but if you look at questions leakunfavorable, 66 to 11. he's this good position. of course four years ago, michele bachmann was in good position. two other interesting things in that poll one, the candidates with the most potential to grow is marco rubio. he's only fifth at 6% but he's second among -- first, rather, among second choices. marco rubio has a lot of room to grow and it just gets worse and worse for jeb bush out there. it's not just that he finishes, you know, a sdabt fourth atdoesn't fourth at 9%. but when you ask republicans, you can really appreciate this 45% of republicans have an unfavorable view of jeb bush. 35% stay they would never even consider voting for him. those are bad numbers. >> yeah they will have to jump
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out, sam stein, because jeb bush who once you see jeb bush out and you learn that jeb's not his brother, jeb is as smart as anybody in politics let alone in this field. and they have just been defined. they need to get out, announce that they're running, tell the world who jeb bush is. >> stop being a hypocrite about his money. >> and he will define himself. >> part of the strategy here is to have $100 million in the bank so that when you do jump in you can define yourself a little bit more forcefully. >> but he's potnot running, so we shouldn't talk about him. look at the "new york times." noncandidate money spending editorial. it's a joerkke. >> but he wants that much money so when he does jump in, everything that has been said can be erased. >> scott walker hasn't formally
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announced and he's in first place. so it's not just jeb. >> well, jeb by mistake said i'm rub running. he knows he's playing a game. coming up on "morning joe," we remember beau biden and look at the unbreakable bond that he shared with his dad. how do you get to the top of your game? give it everything you've got and leave those sticky sunscreens behind. new neutrogena cooldry sport. powerful protection designed to feel good. micromesh technology lets sweat pass through
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it's such a big week in presidential politics. we have a lot of great guests. we'll talk to mike huckabee and
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4, 1968. speaking after the shocking assassination of martin luther king. he found those words when he was drowning in his open sea of grief from a book his sister-in-law gave him months after the loss of president kennedy who was his brother, his boss and the northstar in his life. saturday nighttght joe biden lost the northstar in his life, his son, beau. in his too short life, beau accomplished so many things. he served as two terms of attorney general of his state. he was a member of the delaware national guard where he deployed to iraq in 2009 and he didn't just get deployed. he was awarded the bronze star. beau also had the distinction of being the first child of a president or haven'tvice president to serve in combat zones since
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dwight eisenhower's own son went to war in korea. beau could have run in the senate in 2010 and he would have won, beut he chose to continue as a local prosecutor and he said because he needed to keep fighting in his state on a case involved too many abused children. beau said i have a duty to fulfill as attorney general and the immediate need to focus on a case of great consequence. and that is what i must do. but above all, beau biden was a family man. that's that's where his duty was. he was a father he was a husband, he was a son. he is survived by his wife, their two children, natalie who is 11 and son hunter just nine years old. the total devotion to family is an example beau learned at the feet of his father. to know the story of joe jo bybiden
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is to know the story of the whole family told so well by the late richard cramer in his book what it takes, a book that led me to tears so many times and so many times those tears were from what happened in joe biden's life and how joe biden responded. cramer tells of how tragedy first struck by ten's young family weeks after he was elected to senate at the age of 29. his wife, two sops and that sons and an infant daughter were in the car going christmas shopping when a tractor trailer plowed into them and the car was so bad, they didn't know who she was until they saw the biden brochures fluttering above in the trees. that awful grace of god that kennedy's greek poet spoke of the night martin lutheroout eruther king was killed provided a moment of grace and empathy to joe biden
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so many years later when the vice president was speaking to military families who had lost their loved ones. >> i was down in washington hiring my staff and i got a phone call saying that my family had been in an accident. and just like you guys know by the tone of the phone call you just knew, didn't you. you knew when they walked up the path, you knew when the call came you knew you just felt thisitn your bones something bad happened. and i knew. i don't know how i knew. about but the call said my wife was dead my daughter was dead and wasn't sure how my sons were are going toeau biden was one of those sons before he was all cut up, prop bones. he had to be put in traction.
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and his little brother hunter, had a concussion, possibly permanent damage. their dad, well, he had just been elected to the senate but the senate didn't mean a damn thing to him anymore. he wouldn't leave that hospital for weeks except at night. the hospital was in a tough neighborhood cramer wrote, bad streets and dark. if the boys could sleep, joe and his brother, jimmy, would walk those streets half the night, they would tell the nurses they were going out for pizza, but they wouldn't eat. they didn't even talk. the sound was share shoes on grit or broken glass. joe was hoping someone would jump out in front of the sally, come at him would he have killed the guy. he was looking for a fight. there was no place for his rage. sometimes he thought it would be easier if he were the only one left. then he could kill himself. but it was the boys that kept him alive. biden talked about these days at the wake for massachusetts senator ted kennedy in 2009.
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>> when my wife and daughter were killed in an automobile accident and my two boys were very badly injured and hospitalized, one with me here today, hunter the other is in iraq, i got a call from your dad. and i didn't know your dad too well. i just met him that one time. he was the prod who convinced me to go to the senate because i had told my governor after that election the governor elect to be precise my brother did that we would appoint someone else i didn't want to go to the senate. and it was your brother who came to see me to tell me that i owed to my tee ceaseddeceased wife and children to the at least be sworn in and stay for at least six months. and when i got to the senate, he
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would literally come by once or twice a week to my office in the middle of the afternoon. and i didn't want to be there. i wanted to get the hell home. i didn't want to be around. >> and again, he stayed around. because ted kennedy was touched by that awful grace of god which touched joe biden, which has touched so many people since. one of those people of course beau. at the 2008 democrat being national convention, it was beau biden who told that same story but from his perspective as a child who was just shy of four years old. >> one of my earliest memories was being in that hospital, my dad always at our side. we, my brother and i, not the senate, were all that he cared about. he decided not to take the oath of office. he said then delaware can get another senator, but my boys
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can't get another father. however, great men, great men like ted kennedy, mike mansfield, hubert humphrey men who had been tested in their own it radio right, convinced him to serve. he was sworn in in the hospital at high bedsidefr my bedside. >> and of course they eventually left the hospital and they grew up and thrived. and joe biden stayed in the senate. he got married again or as joe andly boy lyboys said, we got married. and joe ran for the white house. remaking of camelot in the backyard in delaware. joe would learn later that it was all in god's plan. because in february of 1988 joe suffered a brain aneurysm he believes he would have otherwise
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ignored on the campaign trail. police escort raced him from delaware down to walter reed army medical center in washington and the family piled into the cars and beau would ride up in front with the cops, jill would ride in the ambulance with joe. maryland cops were supposed to meet them but they never showed up. delaware cops turned to beau and said where are we going. beau had a wind breaker on and ball cap. he must have looked like a federal s.w.a.t. guy. and be oigau had just turned 19. surgeon told them they had no time to waste. they had to cut open the skull and operate and they said the chances are were no more than 50/50. a priest came into give him his last rights and joe asked to see the bidens one more time. he at any time have to tell the boys that he loved them after all, or ask them to take care of each other. they knew that stuff. but he wanted them to know what he'd found out 15 years before. they would go on.
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and so would joe biden. he survived that dangerous operation in 1988. he went on to spend another two decades in the senate where he became a pillar of the capitol. and on to the vice presidency where he left his mark as one of the president's closest and most trusted advisers. but we all know around this table that joe biden is proudest of the family he has built, of the grand children at his knee. and sadly that family all gathered again at a bedside in walter reed this weekend. this time to say good-bye to the son that guided joe biden through the night so many years ago to save his life. it's impossible to know the pain of losing one child. and this second time, this second drop of pain which cannot forget upon the heart for joe biden, it must be unimaginable. but joe is beau's dad.
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joe." sam stein an al hunt still with with us. joining us, matt salmon, and from washington, david ignatius. >> let's talk about the patriot act. why didn't weon't we break into that news. >> on capitol hill, several key parts of the patriot act are no longer in effect. at least for now this means the nsa bulk collection of phone records must come to an end. the senate vote will vote to advance surveillance reform bill already passed by the house, about republican senator and presidential candidate rand paul is taking credit it for delaying action on the measure and triggering the lapse. >> the question we have to ask ourselves, are we really willing, are we so frightened that we're willing to give up
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our freedoms trade liberty for security in people in town think i'm making a huge mistake. some of them i think secretly want there to be an attack on the united states so they can bram it on me. so the ones who say, well, when an attack occurs it will be all your fault, are any of them willing to accept the blame? we have bulk collection now. are any of them willing to accept the blame for the boston bombing, for the recent shooting in garland? no, but they will be the first to point fingers and say oh, yeah it's all your fault, we never should have given up on this great program. >> i can't believe he said that. >> saying we're rooting for an attack obviously created a scene on the senate floor, including mitch mcconnell majority leader who endorsed him for president. listen to this. sounds a lot like "morning joe" except by people who are a lot younger. take a listen. >> these aren't theoretical
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threats, mr. president. not theoretical threat. they're with us every day. we have to face up to them. we shouldn't be disarming unilaterally as our enemies grow more sophisticated and aggressive. and we certainly should not be doing so based on a campaign of demagoguery and disinformation launched in the wake of the unlawful actions of edward snowden who was last seen in russia. >> mr. president mr. president, mr. president -- i -- >> you don't have the floor. >> mr. president -- >> i want the regular order and i would ask if the senator would heed to a question. senator from kentucky should learn the rules of the senate. >> i'd be happy to yield to the senator from arizona for a question. >> maybe the senator from kentucky should know the rules of the senate. >> wow.
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>> joe, mr. president -- >> okay. the white house also appeared to take a swipe at senator paul saying in part we call the senate to ensure this irresponsible lapse in sports is as short lived as possible. on a matter as critical as our national security, individual senators must put aside their partisan motivations and act swiftly. >> david i goignatius what's going to happen? >> in- think the surveillance package will be approved in the middle of this week. there will be a gap. no one knows what danger will come from that gap. i think the split in the republican party has cracked wide open. when you have this will kind of accusation being traded back and forth, when you have a john mccain speaking of the ambition and putting a higher priority on fundraising than the nation's
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interests of a fellow republican, when you have mcconnell saying what he did, that's very unusual in washington. for once president obama gets to look on national security issues like the responsible quiet voice urging compromise. he's working with john boehner of all people to get legislation passed. but it was an extraordinary weekend that exposed what i think are much deeper tensions in the party. >> congressman, where do you come down on this question that rand paul raises of privacy versus security? >> well, i'll go back to something somebody a lot earlier said, benjamin franklin. he said those willing to trade their freedom for security deserve neither and will probably lose both. we can do it the right way. last year i co-sponsored a rewrite of the patriot act with jim sensenbrenner. it came out of the judiciary committee unanimously and then the rules committee changed it. it completely changed it so that sensenbrenner, myself and others voted against it.
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section 215, which is the verse sham part of the law that deals with the metadata collection has created a lot of problems. and we've been willing to -- many of us that are concerned about civil liberties as well as security, want to do both. >> do you stand with rand paul are you in this rand paul's camp or are you guys -- >> i think that's too -- >> too what? >> i think that letting it expire, just expire the whole law itself is a problem. but i do believe that there are parts of it and the second circuit court basically said that, just a couple of weeks ago thargs the , that the metadata collection is upnconstitutionalunconstitutional. >> there is no way to -- is there any way to do it without giving up privacy? >> absolutely. per the fourth amendment, going through the warrant process if it's an american citizen is perfectly -- i think it would
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allow us to get the job done and do it by the book. also none of the national security agencies whether the fbi, nsa, none of them can go back and say how there has been even one instance where section 215 has actually thwarted a terrorist plot. >> he's right on the fact that the intelligence community review that the president ordered came back and said that section 215 really wasn't very critical piece of -- >> bulk collection. >> yeah, in part because the hay stack that you're creating is so massive that it's very difficult to actually find that needle. they say we need a haystack to begin with. the question is are you satisfied that liberty concerns are they met when you have the telephone companies holding on to this met if a data or are you in the rand paul camp where you say that you can still have these too broad searches even if the telephone companies hold on to the data and that you really need to fine tune and tailer the
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process. >> i think ultimately the process that was engaged in before i believe this administration completely took section 215 of the law out of hand, i believe that it was workable. i believe that ultimately you know going through a process where the law enforcement agencies that they're dealing with an american citizen and securing that data can go through a warrant process and i think that's fair and reasonable. that's the way the constitution works. >> let's go to al hunt here. david ignatius touched on it that this is a battle that has been brewing in the republican party since matt and i first got elected in 1994, the first time sort of will i be tear began strap, train, pat buchanan your friend and my friend that libertarian strain really started having a big impact.
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>> dafrdvid's right, this really can did bear open the huge schism in the republican party. they want to get tougher on isil and putin, but they don't trust the government, they don't like some of the intelligence abuses they believe. those are hugely contradictory and they will play out in the presidential race. i think mitch mcconnell has been a big loser in this, he just didn't handle the is that the very well. he was supposed to be a more skillful leader than that.that the very well. he was supposed to be a more skillful leader than that. whatever the substantive measures, rand paul helped himself himself. he reignited the debate. >> do you believe whatever version we're left with that
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there are those out there who feel this make us less safe? >> i think the view of the national security professionals that i talked to is that they're agnostic agnostic. this is a different system in theory having the phone companies hold the records shouldn't matter if there are ways to query those records quickly. if the process of seeking court permission to ask questions, to match up numbers, and then the availability of that information is as seamless as described, it shouldn't affects. but nobody knows yet. it's one of the reasons built into the house version is in affect effect a trial period and then you can make changes. that's probably sensible. >> so for those bullwinkle fans now for something completely different, lindsey graham is running for president address he's expected to launch his campaign later. he's down in the polls.
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home state papers questioning his chances this morning. doesn't qualify yet for the debates. but lindsey graham said if he finds a terrorist he's not going to search for a judge, he's going to search for a drone. i would say he comes from the other side of the party as rand paul obviously and it does show just how quided eddivided this party is. >> i think lindsey graham willing searching it for votes more than anything else. >> enough said right there. >> so you don't think there is still national security republicans that side with lindsey? >> of course there are. and we can have our caulk andke and eat it, too. not running slipshod over the 4th amendment, i think we can. i think a lot of our past advisers agree. >> it requires giving up some of your liberty.
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that's part of the social contract that is the very basis of our government. you do have to given up some of your liberties. and in times of war, we've always given up much more. abraham lincoln suspended habeas corpus to win the civil war. >> and i think the compromise that we offered last year that came out unanimously out of the judiciary committee, i think that would have been a good alternative. and i think that that would have made sure that it would have been here for a long time to come. >> so on the democratic side martin o'malley announced that he was running for president this weekend, as well. why don't we take a look at what he had to say. >> we need to prosecute cheats we need to reinstate glass-steagall. and if a bank is too big to pail without wrecking our nation's economy, then we need to break it up before it breaks us again. recently the ceo of goldman
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sachs let his employees know that he'd be just fine with either bush or clinton. i bet he would. well i've got news for the bullies of wall street. the presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth by you you between two royal families. >> and another guy who is running in the elizabeth warren wing of the democratic party, bernie sanders, got a massive crowd yesterday, more than 3,000 supporters at a rally in minneapolis. this comes as he's facing questions about a controversial essay that he wrote 40 years ago and sort of a couple of sort of awkward moments on "meet the press" yesterday. >> look this is a piece of fiction that i wrote in 1972 i think. that was 43 years ago. it was very poorly written and if you read it, what it was
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dealing with gender stereotypes, why some men like to oppress women, why other women like to be submissive. something like 50 shades of grey. poorly written 43 years ago. what i'm focusing on right now are the issues impacting the american people today. >> let's go now to our "fifty shades of grey" correspondent sam stein. >> well, he handled that interestingly. i thought he could have stopped talking about it a little bit earlier than that. >> let's go to al. a new bloomberg poll out. >> sanders with 16% in iowa behind hillary clinton. and on the republican side, governor scott walker is in the lead even though he's still not an official candidate. what do you think, al? >> i think scott walker solidified his position and jeb bush has enormous problems judging by that poll. on the democratic side let me give you an interesting historical parallel. better than bernie sanders may be the
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perfect protest candidate. he's at 16% and hilglary 57%. 30 years ago, fritz mondale got almost 50%. gary hart got 16%. and that launched his challenge to fritz mondale. i think bernie sanders is more trouble for hillary clinton than people realize. >> i would not be surprised if we saw a poll near iowa caucus with bernie within single kinlgdigits of hillary clinton. >> david ignatius, what does it mean? i think bernie could do very well in iowa. what happens if he does well in iowa and then he goes to his neighboring state of new hampshire and does well there, too? suddenly the vaulted hillary machine is hooking a little bit like 2008. >> well, there are -- >> nobody can topple hillary, we're not saying that,hooking a little bit like 2008. >> well, there are -- >> nobody can topple hillary, we're not saying that, but this won't be just smooth sailing.
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>> secretary clinton will be a candidate who could win the general election she has to show what she's got under more pressure from bernie sanders, from o'malley, whoever it is. and i actually think this would be good for her, this period in which she is the monarch in waiting has been gredful. she gets bashed every day. so this may bring out her fire. as you look at the democratic race, you see the populism is the driving theme in the mood of at least democratic base voters at this point in the campaign. and hillary clinton will have to find a way to address it speak to it and that will be tough. she is not a convincing populist. >> matt, let's look at the republican poll again. i think it was iowa numbers that show governor scott walker at the top. are you surprised by that? i'm not. >> no not at all. in fact i think that he has several things that are really appealing to republican voters. one, he's not from washington,
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d.c. number two, i think we've grown really weary of the community organizer thing. and i think having actual experience as a ceo of a state and a trookack record of get being thins done is resonating well. >> you just described jeb bush. what is wrong with jeb? >> jeb has been out of it way too long and his last name is bush. a problem more so in the republican voters than with the democratic voters, but the idea of core row naturing -- i think jeb bush is a great guy, but i personally believe that it's going to be a fresh face. i think people are ready at least on the republican side for somebody who is not the stereotypical politician. and somebody that can actually point to a track record of getting things done. you're right bush can do that, but i think being out of it for as long as he's been out of it also the last name bush --
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>> i think he needs to announce so he stops his hypocrisy with the money. thanks. great to have you on. still ahead on "morning joe," delaware governor jack markell says he expected beau biden to succeed him. he'll join us as tributes continue to pour in for the vice president's son. plus, how should the united states balance privacy rights with national security threats? independent senator angus king joins us. also the latest on the scandal involving former house speaker depend dennis hastert. why the man he allegedly paid nearly $2 million in hush money to is not facing charges. you are looking at two airplane fuel gauges. can you spot the difference? no? you can't see that? alright, let's take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than the one on the left. now, to an airline a 1% difference could save enough fuel to power hundreds of flights around the world. hey, look at that. pyramids.
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prosecutor son, husband father. joining us jack markell. beau biden was reelected attorney general in 2010 with 80% of the vote and was expected to run for governor in 2016 and governor markell, you assumed he'd follow in your footsteps. >> yes. we expected him to run. had he run, he would have won. and when he won, he would have been a very effective governor. this is a huge loss for all of delaware. not just because of how good he was as an elected official, but just because of what an incredible decent and good person he was. >> seemed he wanted -- he was a politician's son in so many way. obviously could have had a lot of doors opened for himself. but when you look at his life and the choices he's made it seems he very much wanted to do it on his own. >> he did. the reason he was the most
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popular elected official in the state is because he earned it. there are so many things that could have been handed to him and he said, no, i'm going to earn it i'm going to be elected, i'm going to serve, i'm going to do the hard work i'm going to knock on all the doors, to all the things you have to do. and i can tell you when i campaigned with him his first time, we were in smyrna delaware, we knocked on a door and youwoman wasn't interested in seeing either of us and she had a question for beau. and i watched him over the next five or six minutes. and she pretty much melted. it was the most effective interaction i had ever seen between a candidate and a constituent. and i saw that throughout his entire career. just remarkable. >> sam stein. >> lost in these personal tributes is the fact that he had a strong policy record. one thing i remember most as state attorney general, he was
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one of the two that held out for better conditions for some of the big banks and made that a lot stronger for consumer activists. governor, i'm wondering if you can speak to the legacy that he leaves behind as a political figure. >> he leaves a very strong legacy as attorney general. the thing that i think most of in terms of that legacy is his advocacy and protection of children from predators. it was something he started to campaign on are from the very beginning and it's something he worked on every day as attorney general. so he does leave behind a remarkable record as attorney general. but i also think the other part of his legacy is that in a day and age when so many people are skeptical of haektelected officials, he was respectful to everybody. this morning when i walked into the united way building, i saw a receptionist who i see every week who is always so enthusiastic and i asked her how
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she was and she said this morning i have a heavy heart. that's how people throughout the state of delaware of all political parties feel today. just a huge loss for our state and incredible loss for the family. the biden family is as connected and devoted to each other as any family that i've ever seen. and i've had a chance to watch them a lot and really a model for how families ought to be with each other. >> governor markell you started to answer my question. joe biden is famous for commuting via amtrak down to wilmington and d.c. every day and that started in the wake of that terrible accident that took the lives of his daughter and his wife so he could be with his boys and put them to bed at night and wake up with them in the morning and spend time ash them around them. fathers and sons always have a unique bond, but this even more unique than most. >> to see vice president biden with his kids that is why his
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passion is his kids, his grand kids. i had a chance to go to iowa in 2008 when he was campaigning for president and the entire biden family was there. and you just had to marvel at the love and respect that they held for each other. and this is not just words, this is not just a speech you saw it every single day. and the bond between beau and his dad, between beau and his entire family was just so tight. and topping of a 9-year-old and 11-year-old beautiful kids losing their dad, haley his wonderful wife losing her husband and the whole family losing just an amazing human being, just unspeakable tragedy. >> and as you've said so eloquently, governor, the state of delaware the people of delaware losing a fierce and very very effective public servant. thank you so much for being with us. >> governor jack markell. thank you. now to washington where after the senate failed to reach a key deadline last night several key parts of the patriot
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act are no longer in effect. joining us now from capitol hill independent senator from maine and member of the intelligence committee angus king, senator, your concern that several parts of this act have expired. >> and i don't think it should be oversold. there has been a lot of hyperbole on both sides. this is not the essence of our national security program, but it's an important pat ofrt of the tool kit that will enable for us to determine for example the scenario of the brothers in boston. were they part of a conspiracy or lone wolves. i think it's a shame we couldn't make this deadline. we should have. we should have anxious tis patientsed some of these problems. but here we are and i'm hoping in the next 24 hours we can get through this, restore the program in a way that respects people's privacy, gets the data out of hands of the government but is still effective in protecting national security. >> senator, we have david ignatius from the "washington post."
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david. >> senator, i wanted to ask you, people who oppose this law, these authorities often claim that the met if a data program has never had any real success in stopping terrorists. you're in a position because of your membership on the intelligence committee to know more than most people. is that true is it that in-efficacious? >> i think that's asking the wrong question. like a police officer, detective at a crime scene has notebook he writes things down. if you took his notebook away would that he said his ability to solve crimes? no. but would it be a tool that would help in putting pieces together to solve a crime? i don't think you can point to one case and say without this data we wouldn't have been able to thwart this plot. it's part of connecting the dots and interestingly it was put in place after september 11th because it was of this inability to track phone calls. and by the way david as you
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know, we're not talking about the keptcontents of phone calls. we're simply talking about which number called which other number on what date and for honk. and i think -- i don't think you can ---i agree, you can't say it solved x, y or z plot but i think it did make a significant gave in the tsarnaev brothers for example where they could determine in a matter of hours whether we were dealing with a national conspiracy or not. and to say that it hasn't thwarted a plot in the past is not to say it can't be a crucial element in something going on in the future and we're in one of the most dangerous threat environments that i've ever seen. >> there has been a lot of talk about the process and politics behind it, but let's talk about the facts. how is data collection different if this usa freedom act is passed than it was in the patriot act? >> the difference is that the data will not be collected by and held by the government. ich been advocating for a couple of years that i thought we
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should get it out of the hands of the government. that made me nervous as a percentage concerned about the possible abuse. lord acton's famous phrase absolute power corrupts absolutely, my belief was it should not be held by the government. the new law, the freedom act, which will hopefully i believe pass in the next few days leaves the data in the hands of the phone company and then the government can make inquiries based upon a court proceeding and that data will be there and not in some computer held by the federal government. my problem, my concern about the freedom act as it's currently constructed, is there is no requirement of the phone companies to hold the dayta for any particular period of time and my concern will be they will konl compete to say who can hold it the shortest. >> senator king, thank you so
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much. we appreciate you coming on. david ignatius thank you, as well. >> always appreciate your insights. mika, look who we have here. >> i'm nervous. >> we have "morning joe's" answer to sigh mondaymon and garfunkel. >> what to they agree on? nothing.
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business. bill crystal, i'll be curious what you think. barney frank. walmart's latest ad campaign isn't just about prices but about perception and how they take care of people. and how people can raise families and work at walmart. the retail giant is looking to highlight its recent decision to raise its minimum wage which they're raising to $9 an hour. here is one of the latest commercials regarding that a. take a look. >> there are no medals one get for earning a live. it's just what you do for fael. but it's hard to build a future if you can't see past today. that's why walmart is investing in the most important part of
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our company, our people, because a raise in pay raises us all. >> they never said that. >> they never said it, no. but it looks like they raised the pay to $15 an hour. >> but at the end of the ad, they said a billion dollars more and i think that's great. and you should be the first to salute walmart. >> i do for raising the minimum wage to $15. >> they could have shown i'll number 27 or i'll numberaisle number 3. this is a problem with you will i be liberals. you're never happy. >> other than conservatives who have on joyful. >> you look at every poll we're beaming with optimism. >> i think if you do a commercial where you're touting the riching theenriching the lives
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of your employee, we'll make a call to walmart today. because it would be wonderful if all of their workers would make at the very least $15 an hour. right? >> we don't want to put them out of business. >> so your problem is you think the ad implies they're going to 15 when they're only going to 9. >> well, does it? >> i don't think they have ever said they're going to 15. i think they said 9. >> but the commercial says you can live on -- >> i'll be honest, i'm an old fashioned guy. i was reading the "washington post" when the commercial was on. so -- i read papers. i'm just hoping i outlive news papers. >> i'm excited. i hope their workers do that well. they deserve it and walmart can afford it. >> with us now bill kristol.
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and also with us -- i love walmart, by the way. and barney frank. patriot act. what do you think about what rapped paul is rand paul is doing? >> i don't think it's responsible. sensenbrenner got the entire judiciary committee to vote for a bill that went out that i think would have protected us and avoided a lot of the controversy. and it went to the house rules committee and dick cheney didn't like it and it was totally rewritten and in the end i voted against it. i think that there is exaggeration on both sides. i think there is exaggeration on the threats to national security and on the threat to privacy. and in fairness to the security people, a lot of people on the
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anti side have said show me an example where you you caught somebody but i haven't seen any examples where anybody's privacy was invaded. they have built an enormous haystack. and this is the thing about wiretapping. you talk to law enforce him people. one of the protections we have is somebody is getting paid to listen to that 204/7. >> an excessive haystack. >> pros and cons have been exage exaggerated exaggerated, do you agree? >> nobody knows in terms of the plots that have been spoiled. >> i was going to ask, why fix what is not broken. >> so let's go to the other part. can you name one example where this has worked? >> serious people in the national security community believe this is helps fight the terrorism. and we're not talking about preliminary people here.
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we're talking military or civilian officials. >> let's break it down for one second. actually on this i'm closer to you i think this time. but to bar nineybarney's bigger point, there are serious people concerned about privacy who conditions name a single time privacy has been violated and serious people on the security side that kptcan't name -- >> what's the fix, the phone companies will keep the records? those employees are less likely to abuse? >> yes, because they have it in the fist place.first place. so we're not generating a new set of record keepers. most people want to make their job easier and don't
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counterbalance. >> i think bloomberg poll should be pulled up. we have scott walker at the top of the republican list. but first -- >> a heady conversation about this race before. >> hillary clinton. better than any sanders biden at 8%. martin o'malley announced over the weekend. >> let's look at bernie sanders. we had earlier i think al hunt compared to 1984 and gary hart's rise. both of you you picked another year. >> i think it's 1968. bernie sanders is gene mccarthy challenging lbj. i think bernie sanders can do a lot of damage to hillary clinton. probably complaint bean't be the nominee, but the question is does somebody serious then get in. could it be elizabeth warren could it be joe biden, john
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kerry. >> two words. you wish. the fact that this is the not 1968. i would hope all people on the liberal side will understand the message. bill kristol is rooting for anybody who can weaken hillary clinton. >> you agreed with him before the camera was on that this was more like '68. >> yes, but not a great deal like '68. >> now you're confusing me. >> i think the resulting election of richard nixon was not a good thing but there is no vietnam war going on. hillary clinton is not hubert humphrey. there is much less basted on which you will see the anger. vietnam was the fuel. but i do want to rye enforce the point, bill would like hillary clinton to lose, i would like
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her to win. >> but really -- >> it's sad he isn't willing to embrace liberal principles. hillary clinton voted for the iraq war. hillary clinton has defended wall street. >> wrong. hillary clinton has been a strong supporter of financial reform. that's a misperception. when president obama signed an appropriations bill that weakened it hillary clinton tweeted we should notould weaken the bill. martin o'malley is off base on that. >> so the proper be also with the '68 analogy, there is no bob bi wait bobby waiting in the wings. >> what about about joe biden? >> that is a great question. willie. >> what is the -- i understand you're a supporter of hillary clinton. what is the core message, what is the theme what is the uplifting message that hillary clinton has delivered to the country thus far?
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>> i hope you will keep the tape of bill talking about how well qualified joe biden is to be president because in case he gets nominated, which is very unlikely, you will not hear that again. this is transparent effort to try to create in the democratic party the trouble they have on their side. hillary clinton's message is that we have to do more to promote -- to diminish any quality in the context of growth and secondly that we do not -- that a big issue between the parties will be military intervention assuming rand paul does not win, which i do. you'll have republican nominee pushing for more intervention in iraq more in afghanistan. hillary clinton for less of it. but you also have the question of whether there should be public policy to promote -- >> so final word to bill. i had said simon and garfunkel, but i guess he's garfunkel fighting for simon. >> she was for intervention in balkans, in iraq in
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afghanistan, in libya. i do like her foreign policy more than president obama's. >> do you like her more on foreign policy than rand paul? >> yes. >> all right. >> okay. bill kristol and barney frank, thank you, i think. i'm not sure what to think actually. coming up he was recently named the best mayor in the world. calgary mayor is up next on "morning joe." meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue. log on to learn more.
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place of ted cruz. >> thank you. >> that why you got this prize? >> certainly you and ted cruz would be on the same side when it comes to keystone. >> that is correct. >> tell us about it. >> well, we have this pipe it's a meter wide pipe. and certainly there is a lot of discussion we have to have about climate change a lot of discussion we have to have about energy and energy independence for north america. but something weird has happened with this project. i always say that it bears all the sins of the carbon economy. state department has said it's not going to impact climate change. oil is coming to the gulf coast. just coming by rail. much more dangerous. so it's one of those weird things. you guys would understand this. sometimes political issues just gain a life of their own way beyond what they actually are. and i think that's the challenge we've got with keystone. it's gained so much stillymbol
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electric weight that we're forget wlag it actually is, many pipelines that transport energy. >> but it's not just a meter wide pipe. you a meter-wide pipe. you know, that right? >> the real something that some folks think that if the pipeline doesn't get built that means the oil stays in the ground in northern alberta. that won't happen. this there's a public policy imperative to move that oil both from energy independence and government money. the bubble the price differential between alberta crude and crude from other places cost governments billions of dollars a month depending on how big it is. that stuff is getting moved and does it get moved to the gulf coast creating jobs in the u.s. or the pacific coast or the atlantic coast? i would say all three. >> i agree with you. i think for environmentalists the issue is why have that oil move at all? >> but it's going to move. >> i guess that's true and i guess that where's the argument falls short but they would like to see us move away from this type of oil entirely and to get
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rid of our dependency on this type of dirty oil and not have to move it. >> i would argue that it ain't dirty oil. when you look at total emissions from the well head to the exhaust pipe you don't difference in moving stuff by tanker, which is how stuff gets to the gulf coast now versus shale oil versus what we've got in northern alberta. it's all oil and we all have to move to a lower carbon future. we all know that. but the question is does getting rid of this pipeline move you there any quicker? i would argue it doesn't. >> as a political matter, that's what i think will happen is you package this pipeline with some sort of other reforms to get rid of our dependency on oil or create new green jobs in some sort of coalition will form. >> we have a new provincial government in alberta, left-of-center, which is very odd, it would be like texas electing barney frank. but the interesting thing is, the ceo of the largest oil company wrote an op-ed calling
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for a carbon tax, which was fascinating. he said get under this cap and trade stuff, price carbon fairly let us be able to plan our billions and billions of dollars in investments knowing what's coming and, oh boy the way, doings that gives us a lot of credibility to move forward on other projects. >> also there's discussion where you are on raising the minimum wage. you support raising it to $15 an hour which is the plan. how's the conversation about that? >> people are very nervous, as they are in other places. i heard a little bit of you talking about walmart earlier. it's not going to happen in one fell swoop and it's a bit dangerous to do it at this point in the economy because we're right in the middle of a tail spin but i think our new provincial government understands that. i really believe in multiple efforts on poverty issues but the best way to get people out of poverty is let them have a decent living rather than a bunch of government programs so i think we'll get there. >> mr. mayor, mika and i look forward to coming up to calgary
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after ted cruz is elected president of 2 united states. >> since you are the best mayor in the world. >> we're going to do the ted tour and i want to see like ted cruz slept here. you better start buying up these properties. >> it's a walking tour yes. >> national monuments to ted cruz in calgary. >> international monuments. >> very exciting. >> we'll set you up. >> mayor, the best mayor in the world, thank you very much for coming up on "morning joe." still ahead, isis is making additional gains in libya and western officials say it has them alarmed. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel is here with his latest reporting.
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coming up at the top of the hour, the gop does not stand with rand on the patriot act. the heated exchange that broke out on the senate floor as the law was about to expire late last night. plus senator mike lee, who is the sponsor of the surveillance reform act will join us. and we have new details about the person who former house speaker dennis hastert allegedly paid nearly $2 million in hush money to conceal past misconduct. much more "morning joe" when we come back. my school reunion's coming fast. could be bad. could be a blast. can't find a single thing to wear. will they be looking at my hair? won't be the same without you bro.
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>> the reality is everyone of us here and every one in this room has had some tragedy in life some tragedy. and tragedies either make you stronger or break families apart. and i've been a blessed, blessed son. i had my aunt move in with me my grandmother helped raise me i had a new mom five years later, i've had a family that enveloped my brother and i with love so i've been a very very lucky, lucky man. >> that was bo biden on "morning joe" back in 2012 with words that are especially poignant this morning after he passed away over the weekend. flags are flying at half-staff in delaware to mourn the loss of its former attorney general, the elvis eldest son of vice president joe biden who followed his father in public service and is being mourned today as a dedicated prosecutor soldier, son,
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brother, husband and father. we love joe biden and we've talked about that. we have fun with him. but it's such a measure of a man when you see a son so beautiful and dedicated to all the right things. you look at bo's life and it's -- it's incredible at just 46 years old. >> he was joe biden's son but you look at his life and it stands up on its own for the service he gave in government and the military to his family. a remarkable guy. but on its own, this is a devastating tragedy, but then when you put in the the context of the bidens' life and the other loss they've suffered it becomes even more hard to believe. >> it really does. and bo biden, his father could not have believed may not have believed but after he'd been elected senator at 29 joe biden, that bo even survived the crash that was so devastating
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they couldn't recognize his mother. and he was beaten up and he was cut up in a hospital. and his father who had just achieved the impossible dream couldn't care less about the senate and he stayed by his side and he stayed by his brother's side until they got better. it's a remarkable family and it's a remarkable life. >> we have capitol hill where we begin this morning where several key parts of the patriot act are no longer in effect right now after the senate failed to reach a deal before a midnight deadline. at least for now this mean's the nsa's bulk collection of phone records must come to an end. the senate though did vote to advance a surveillance reform bill already passed by the house, but the republican senator and presidential candidate rand paul who's been fighting all that is taking credit for delaying action on the measure and triggering the
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lapse. >> the question we have to ask ourselves is are we really willing, are swoe fright are we so frightened that we're giving up our freedoms? are we willing to trade liberty for security? people here in town think i'm making a huge mistake. some of them i think, secretly want there to be an attack on the united states so they can blame it on me. so the ones who say "well, when an attack occurs it's going to be all your fault." are any of them willing to accept the blame? we have bulk collection now. are any of them willing to accept the blame for the boston bombing? for the recent shooting in garland? no, but they'll be the first to point fingers and say, oh yeah it's all your fault we never should have given up on this great program. >> willie we both flinched at the same time when rand paul said some secretly want this country to be attacked. >> he's had a huge impact on
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this debate and if you agree with him, it's been a good impact for him. he's changed the way we look at surveillance. but two suggest in that any sitting united states senator would invite or welcome a terrorist attack to prove them right is pretty sad. >> yeah it is. i -- i can't believe they're not going to move forward and pass something. i think this is something that sounds great on college campuses to debate and i'm not talking about liberty sounds great to debate i'm talking about keening americans safe. and i think most americans do want a strong act and it will be very interesting to see what happens. we'll talk of course, to guests today who are putting together a bill to move it forward and keep the surveillance going. but this is -- in a sense it's frightening but i will say the
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thing i do love is the fact that we're having to this open debate. it's an important debate to have and let's go ahead and fight it out like they did yesterday and then we have the open debate unlike we did before. and then pass the final bill. >> it created a surreal sight on the senate floor as republican colleagues went after paul's actions including majority leader mitch mcconnell who has endorsed him for president. >> these aren't theoretical threats, mr. president. it's not theoretical threats. they're with us everyday. we have to face up to them. we shouldn't be disarming unilaterally as our enemies grow more sophisticated and aggressive and we certainly should not be doing so based on a campaign of demagoguery and disinformation launched in the wake of the unlawful actions of edward snowden who was last seen
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in russia. >> mr. president, mr. president, mr. president, i have -- >> you don't have the floor. >> mr. president? >> yes. >> i want the regular order and i want to ask the senator a question. >> senator from kentucky should learn the rules of of the senate. >> i'd be happy to yield to the senator from -- >> first of all, maybe the senator from kentucky should know the rules of the senate. >> all that talking, sounds like "morning joe" except they're younger. >> talking over each other. >> i hate when they do that. i can't concentrate. >> the white house was in on this, too, yesterday, taking a swipe at senator paul saying "we call on the senate to ensure this irresponsible lapse in authorities as s as short lived as possible on a matter as critical as our national security. individual senators must put aside their partisan motivations and act swiftly." but senator paul telling nbc news he has no regrets about all this. >> reporter: do you think you accomplished something tonight
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sir? >> yeah the government's bulk collection of records is going to end. >> reporter: and do you feel like this time in between before telephone companies were to take over, do you have any concerns about safety? >> i'm always concerned about our country's safety and i think that the constitution is a great and powerful tool for collecting records on people you have suspicion on and so i think we should collect more records on terrorists. i just don't want to collect them on innocent americans. >> and you know just hours from now lindsey graham is -- south carolina senator is expected -- >> oh, here we go. >> why are you laughing? >> to launch his bid. i love lindsey, i do i do. and he -- >> well what's so funny? >> i've disagreed with some of the things he's said on foreign policy in the past but i'm smiling first of all because he makes me smile. he's a fun guy. but also willie geist, you know
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how when we fought 'nam before we'd go up in the bombers we'd write the names of our girl friends on the bombs, like this is for you ho chi minh. >> i thought you never had any girlfriends. no one liked you. >> nobody does like me. but anyway willie wood. i would just say "go mets" it was '69, it was the thing to do. this is getting somewhere. so lindsey graham's campaign, that bomb, it just has rand paul's name on it. >> well, there is that. >> it's a heat-seeking rand paul missile missile. >> and he's been on the rand paul train for a long time. before he thought about getting in the race he'd go out of his race. >> way down in the polls. his home state paper is questioning his chances. at this point he doesn't even qualify for the debates so we won't get to see that. >> well it's early. it's too early. it's a year off. >> meanwhile, another candidate facing long odds joined the race this weekend. former maryland governor martin
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o'malley formally declared on saturday morning in baltimore, the city he once served as mayor. in an uphill fight against hillary clinton o'malley had tough words for wall street. >> we need to prosecute cheats. we need to reinstate glass-steagall, and if a bank is too big to fail without wrecking our nation's economy, then we need to break it up before it breaks us again. [ applause ] recently the ceo of goldman sachs let hiss employees know that he'd be just fine we they are bush or clinton. i bet he would. [ laughter ] well i've got news for the bullies of wall street. the presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth by you between two royal families. >> wow. >> wow, wow, wow. >> that's tough tuck against a man we're hoping one day willie will hire us?
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>> who? oh lloyd blankfein. >> i want a job with lloyd. >> listen he has a good point. >> not about lloyd being a bully. >> okay, go ahead. >> everyone who gets in this race on the democratic side or is thinking about getting in the race for the democratic side is swinging way out to the left of hillary clinton. this is elizabeth warren's message. she's not in the race but they've all adopted her message against hillary. >> yeah. and it may in time pull hillary further left. we'll see. yeah, that does sound like bernie. it sounds like elizabeth warren. >> i don't care if it pulls her left. what i want to know is what she's really going to do. what any of these people are really going to do. not what they're going say. their actions and their past and their histories and the records. they'll tell you what they're going do. o'malley has a long way to go to convince voters. last week's quinnipiac poll shows him down at 1%. >> it's early. >> miles behind hillary clinton. even trailing vermont independent bernie sanders.
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as for sanders -- >> look at bernie at 15%. >> look at bernie's crowd yesterday of more than 3,000 supporters at a rally in minneapolis. just saying. >> yeah, 3,000. >> it comes as he faces questions about a controversial essay he wrote more than 40 years ago. >> look this is a piece of fiction that i wrote in 1972 i think. that was 43 years ago. it was very poorly written and if you read it what it was dealing with gender stereotypes, why some men like to oppress women, why other women like to be submissive. something like "50 shades of grey." very poorly written 43 years ago. what i'm focusing on right now are the issues impacting the american people today. >> yes, no don't go into it. he just kind of went into it a little too much. >> how would you have handled that? >> it was fiction, it was 43 years ago.
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and that's it. huh? he went there. he does have a hair cut, though. his hair isn't as crazy as it was before. >> that's a shame he wrote that. >> i tend to agree with him that -- >> what he wrote 43 years ago willie? what is wrong with you? >> you'll get killed online. >> but i hope we hold all candidates of both sides to the same standard that what you did 43 years ago unless a heinous crime may not be relevant to a campaign in 2015. >> exactly. >> you brought up willie, the greatest point last week about how, you know 43 years ago and i'm going yeah it 450es 3 years ago and conservative blogs are going, yeah, it's 43 years ago. and then you're going wait a second, the "washington post" put mitt romney on the front of its newspaper because he may have given a boy a hair cut 50 years ago when he was 17 years old. >> what? >> the prep school incident. >> oh, he's a prep school bully. and, again, i wonder if rick
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santorum had written -- and we asked this question last week, that women like to be raped by three men and that men whatever -- >> but that's because his record and his views are -- it's not because he's a republican. >> there's no justification for that. >> okay, i'm not going to launch into that right now. >> boy, don't even try to justify that. >> i think there's one. i totally agree there's a double standard. >> what has rick santorum ever done in his life? >> i'm not doing it. >> nothing to say that somehow it would be okay to judge him for what he wrote 43 years ago but not bernie sanders? and we are all saying this is the willie geist standard. let's just hold everybody to the same standard. >> okay. secretary of state john kerry is cutting short his trip to europe for the iran nuclear negotiations after breaking his leg, his femur, in a bike accident in france. file tape of a similar ride in march is what you're looking at now. kerry was riding in france south of the swiss boarder where the talks are taking place.
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a local newspaper said kerry fell near the beginning of his ride along a mountain route which has been part of the tour de france more than a dozen times. kerry reportedly hit a cur. the 71-year-old secretary of state was hospitalized in geneva with a broken femur. his injury is described as not life threatening and he never lost consciousness. he's returning home today seeking treatment in boston because the fracture is near the top of his earlier hip surgery. his daughter is a doctor. he'll be in good hands. >> we're thinking of him. hi hit a curb wasn't hit by a car or anything like that. >> i feel so bad for him. >> but i've talked to you about this offline. i live up in connecticut and most of connecticut, you know windy roads, whatever. you get out in the country and these guys you can tell they work on wall street and -- i'm not talking about john kerry here. i'm just talking about how dangerous this is. i will be taking my kids like pulling out and taking my kids
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to a game and some guy will wiz around the corner going like 50 miles an hour. >> on his bike. >> on his bike. there was one time i had the put on the accelerator and go across the street and swerve and i've seen since moving to connecticut two guys get hit by cars because they wiz around corners going that fast. and flying through the air. it is so dangerous. >> central park is having the problem. >> it's so dangerous. and they are so reckless. and i'm not talking about john kerry, and they need to figure out a safer way to like prove that they're macho. because they're going to kill themselves. i'm sorry, it's the truth. >> you see it in central park. >> they've had a couple of very bad incidents. >> we don't know what happened with john kerry. >> he hit a curb. that's dangerous. former congressman dennis hastert's name is no longer in
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the public policy center of his alma mater after he was indicted of charges of lying to the fbi about alleged payments to cover up past misconduct. a law enforcement official confirms to nbc news that hastert apparently paid nearly $2 million to conceal sexual abuse with a man who was a student where hastert once taught. as nbc's pete williams reports, he's now facing charges for structuring more than $900,000 in bank withdrawals to avoid reporting requirements but not for the alleged misconduct. >> number one, the government doesn't claim that mr. hastert's payment of this money was illegal. and he's knot charged with this whatever happened 30 years ago. that is one, not anything the federal government could bring a charge on and, two, it's well beyond the statute of limitations in the state. the other thing is, the federal government says they're not charging individual a, which we believe to have been a former student, with extortion for two reasons. one is you have to have a victim and mr. hastert has never
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claimed he was extorted and secondly the federal officials i've talked to say that they're satisfied that this was in essence a sort of cooperative agreement they had. that there was an element of agreement here not just flat out shake down. >> gosh. everything you kind of look at differently now. i saw a clip i think it was c-span, where he took a call in from a sort of a mocking tone of a young person saying "remember me?" it sounded like a younger person and it was very awkward. i think that hung up the call. but -- >> yeah. >> it's sad. terrible. >> there are just no words. this is a complete shock and we were -- we looked to denny as the guy that was going to clean up the mess after newt and bob livingston. of course bill paxon resigns. it was just all chaos and -- because we wanted paxon to replace newt and everything blew up and there's the coup. but denny was going to be the
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sane rational common sense guy that was going to take control. it's just mind-boggling. >> it's kind of a guy you hadn't heard from in a long time. he'd gone under the radar in washington and the national stage since he left congress. now this story has opened up this pandora's box and pieces over the weekend about what exactly he's been doing since we saw him last serving in congress personally professionally maybe taking too much federal money to pay for his private life-style things like that. still ahead on "morning joe," he's barely registering in the polls for 2016 but lindsey graham is getting ready to launch a white house bid. why the republican senator thinks he can prove everyone wrong. plus he's used to covering the news overseas, but richard engel is making news of his own. nbc's chief foreign correspondent joins the table with that. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you are looking at two airplane fuel gauges. can you spot the difference? no? you can't see that? alright, let's take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than the one on the left.
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as we mentioned earlier today, republican senator lindsey graham is set to become the ninth candidate to enter the race for president on the gop side. msnbc political reporter kasie hunt has more on the contender who is putting foreign policy at the center of his pitch. >> if i'm president of the united states and you're thinking about joining al qaeda or isil i'm not going to call a judge, i'm going to call a drone and we will kill you. >> reporter: senator lindsey graham has become one of the republican party's loudest hawks. >> i'm running because i think the world is falling apart. >> reporter: today he's set to announce he's running for president in his home state of south carolina. one reason for his bid -- libertarian leaning presidential candidate rand bhooul graham says would be worse on policy than president obama and hillary clinton. >> rand paul is one step behind
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leading from behind. rand paul is behind obama, not just hillary clinton. >> reporter: that from a politician who helped lead the charge to impeach president bill clinton in the 1990s. since then graham's built a friendly deal-making reputation on capitol hill. his best friend in the senate 2008 nominee john mccain, is already behind him. >> we have traveled the world and we have been to many places. >> reporter: graham also has a compelling personal story that he hasn't often told on the national stage. >> i'm the first person in my family to ever go to college. i was raised in central south carolina in the back of a liquor store. >> reporter: his challenge? standing out from a long list of republican presidential hopefuls. even in his home state where rival marco rubio is building a strong organization. >> i may be in a position to endorse some candidate, i'm not sure exactly which one at this point. >> reporter: it's not clear the compromise message that helped him win reelection to the senate can win him votes from conservative activists who often
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pick republican presidential nominees. >> there's also a growing tendency in both parties, i think, among the hardest of the hard, that it's not enough you agree on the issue, you have to hate the other people. i'm not going to spend my life doing that. >> kasie hunt joins us from washington. there's a message that will cut through. i know people who put that on a bumper sticker in northwest florida "i won't call a judge, i'll call a drone." >> don't drone me bro, the rand paul people say. i mean look this is a long shot bid but senator graham has a way of managing to get the message he wants to be heard throughout into the ether and i know he's somebody we'll pay attention to him. you have to think about him in the context of his home state of south carolina. he's a household name there. a first in the south primary, has this long history of picking presidential candidates. 2012 they went with newt which was a mistake. but before theyat they tapped the
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person who was eventually the nominee and i think if he's still in it could have ramifications. think about what it would mean if jeb bush competes with jeb bush. >> lindsey could take a big chunk of the voters. >> i think he will. they love him down there. >> al hunt bloomberg has new polling out of iowa. will it's look at the gop side. scott walker is in the lead at 17%. >> he jumped up there. >> i'm not surprised by this. are you, al? >> no he solidified his position in iowa very impressively in the last couple months. if you look at questions like favorable or unfavorable, 66-11. he really is in a good position. a caveat of course, four years ago michele bachmann was in a good position. but scott walker is really where he wants to be now. the other -- there were two other interesting things in that
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poll mika. the candidate with the most to 3o ten tomorrow grow is marco rubio. s he's first among second choices. marco rubio has a lot of room to grow and it just gets worse and worse for jeb bush out there. it's not just that he finishes a distance fourth at 9% behind even ben carson, but when you ask republicans do you have a favorable or unfavorable view, joe, you can really appreciate this, 45% of republicans have an unfavorable view of jeb bush, 35% say they would never consider voting for them. those are bad numbers. >> they'll have to jump out, sam stein. jeb bush once you see jeb bush out and you learn that jeb's not his brother, you learn that jeb's -- jeb's as smart as anybody in politics let alone in this field and they've just been defined. they need to get out, announce they're running, tell the world
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who jeb bush is. >> stop being a hypocrite about his money. >> i think they are going to get out there quickly and he's going to define himself. >> and part of the strategy here is to have $100 million in the bank so that when you do jump in you can define yourself a little bit more morsefully. >> but he hasn't jumped in. he's not running. we shouldn't talk about him. look at the "new york times." read the non-candidate money spigot editorial. >> it's a joke. obviously he's running. but his whole point, though is to have that much money in the bank so when he does jump in everything that's been said about him can be erased. the question he has to grapple with -- >> has scott walker formally announced, though? we have a guy in first place that hasn't formally announced. so it's not just jeb. coming up -- >> 34 years azima is a field commander on the front. she takes us on a dangerous tour of the front line positions. "now we run" she says. sheets hung across intersections
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it's 33 past the hour. joining us now, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel whose reporting was honored last night with a peabody award. >> well, thank you very much. >> congratulations. >> that's very nice of you. thanks very much. >> that's it. >> well i wasn't the only one. there's a lot of people there. >> that's the ultimate award to get in journalism. >> i'm very happy. we're very honored. they were -- it's a team effort. it was for the isis reporting. specifically for an hour we did that actually was on msnbc. i don't know if you saw it but it was about isis and how the war against isis is going and the strategy and is there a strategy and a lot of the reports that we did for this hour focused on one little town called kobani that we talked about on the news. and kobani was this little village that unlike all the other towns and villages would
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refuse to surrender. >> what was the difference? >> the will to fight. >> and where does the will come from there when we hear so many people talking, including ash carter, about the lack of will of some of iraqis? >> it's a kurdish village. it was very organized and cohesive already and they were facing extermination and there were a lot of women in this village and in this region who are leading the fight and refuse to give up. so they were surrounded by isis they had nowhere to go and they said we are not going to just run away and become refugees in a foreign country. they said we will stay we will fight and if necessary we will die here. and they hung out. >> it was an extraordinary program. i wonder if you -- you talked about president will to fight. i know dexter filkins came here and said nobody from iraq -- >> well, this is syria. >> right. they're always somebody else. and you talked about the kurds,
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the kurds seem whether they're fighting in iraq or fighting in syria they seem to be fighting for themselves first. >> well they are. and they're fighting -- this was a battle for survival. if they were taken over by isis they would have been butchered or -- and they had nowhere to go. so -- in fact a lot of these women fighters felt a particular interest in fighting against isis. they felt we're standing up to these savages for all the women of the region. so it had a larger context for them. but, yeah, in general they were fighting for themselves for their village, but also for kurdistan. also to establish greater -- >> now that you've done this reporting in this terrible region of the world whether you can look forward is a little bit and conclude whether we'll ever see what has been known as syria and iraq again or if forever those countries will be something different. maybe it's not necessarily the three-part country that joe biden outlined weigh back in the day but a kurdistan or some
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sunni country in the middle. what does the future look like? >> "forever" is a long time. but i think over the next five to ten years i don't think we're going to see syria or iraq like it was known ten 15, years ago. i think the countries have already broken up into their ethnic parts. that syria's broken up into a small shi'a pocket a sunni pocket that's now dominated by isis and a growing kurdish pocket. iraq same thing. kurdish north, sunni center shi'a iran-dominated south and center. so i think that's going to continue for a while until the one thing could happen we talked about this last time i wouldn't be surprised if out of this chaos some strong men reemerge. >> really? >> yeah. people who's -- because no one likes the situation. >> so let's bring into the conversation from capitol hill republican senator mike lee of
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u.s.tah who is sponsoring an alternative to the patriot act the usa freedom bill. senator, good to have you on board. i take it you don't stand with rand on this but how is your alternative any more effective? >> well it's coming along. it's more effective because it protects the american people. it leaves in place these provisions of the patriot act, it would reauthorize them but it would reform them. and most importantly it would end the collection of bulk telephone data by the nsa. the nsa could no longer say "send us all your phone records, we want calling details on every call made in the united states." they'd have to connect a phone number they wanted to search to another telephone number that was in some way involved in acts of terrorism. >> senator, we had an interesting discussion with bill kristol and barney frank who agreed that both sides might be overselling the case and nobody here could name a single time that the rights of an american
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were violated, the privacy rights be think bulk collection. . if that's the case why not give the intel community what they say they need. >> good question. i devote an entire chapter of that very question to my book "our lost constitution." that book i explain that i can't point to a single instance where i know it piece been violated. i'm willing to assume for purposes of this discussion that it hasn't been. then that the men and women working at nsa today are interested in doing nothing other than protecting our national security. but we don't know that that will always be the case. and we know there's tremendous potential for abuse. a lot of that potential for abuse would be the smarter thing, i think, to connect up the way the nsa operates with actual needs, with an actual terrorism investigation. >> i'm curious, what abuse has been there been so far? >> that's my point. there hasn't been abuse of this particular program. we're not aware of abuse but it's rife with the potential for abuse and just as you point out
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that we can't point to any examples where it has been abused, it's very difficult to point to specific terrorist acts that have been thwarted by this program because of its existence. it's the perfect scenario in which we have to come up with some kind of compromise that can continue to protect the american people go so in a way that also safeguards their privacy. >> senator, sam stein here. what did you make of your colleague rand paul's comments that he believes his colleagues are rooting secretly for a terrorist attack to happen during this intervening period so they can blame it upon him? >> you know i can't peer into the mind of any of my colleagues. i certainly can't peer into the minds of all of them. i would be surprised if anyone, if any red-blooded american member of congress or not would want an act of terror to succeed on american soil. so that would surprise me. >> it would surprise me too. >> richard? >> but there is a political risk to going out on a limb for this
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issue if there is violence. the security measures come into place and you can't peel them back because if you peel them back you're accused on being soft on terror. >> senator mike lee, are you soft on terrorism? >> we didn't have to allow this to expire. i went to great lengths two weeks ago before we adjourned for the may recess to make sure we didn't adjourn and make sure we got this done before we recessed. this should have been taken up the week before we went on our memorial day recess. we could have passed it in time for it to avoid expiration. there was no reason for this to have to expire at midnight. >> senator, great to have you here. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. richard engel, thank you as well. so let's see -- >> he asked that question like a
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it's 44 past the hour. time for business before the bell with cnbc's sara eisen. sara, what will be moving the market this is week? >> we have plenty of economic data to watch. we just got numbers on consumer spending. flat in the month of april. that was a disappointment considering we also got numbers on incomes and americans' incomes have been growing. that was a positive number but the data suggests that people
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are saving instead of spend so the savings rate among americans is actually going higher which is a good thing but this economy is built on consumer spending it's more than three quarters of our economy and we need to see that pick up to get to a rebound in spring. it's the first in a series of market-moving data we'll get this week. tomorrow we'll learn whether americans are buying autos. we get auto sales numbers out. friday will be the jobs report, the broadest measure of our our economy is doing. economists are looking for another 200,000 plus gain in jobs last month so we'll see if that happens. there are a number of catalysts overseas we're watching including an opec meeting. obviously the oil market will be watching that closely. that's friday. and greece has another debt payment to the imf, hawes has the potential to give investors some jitters. one area there continues to be excitement and activity is mergers and acquisitions.
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just in the last few minutes we learned that intel one of the chip makers is going to buy altera, another chip maker, for almost $17 billion. these chip makers have been on a hot streak. they're consolidating as the industry changes around electronic bus that continues to be a bright spot whether it's in health care or technology deals, confidence. ceos buying up their competitors and other companies. that where's this cash is going. >> a lot going on. cnbc's sara eisen. thank you very much. >> thank you. up next it was a shocking cliff hanger to "devious maids." a gunman takes aim during the season finale's wedding. what? the big question who did and did not survive? it's like "dallas." >> by the way, she watches like every morning on the west coast. >> she watches and her dad was in politics. >> in jersey right? >> we'll talk to star ana ortiz before tonight's season premier and try to get answers on this. we'll be right back. you are looking at two airplane fuel gauges. can you spot the difference?
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>> what about your big party and all your fancy people? >> they're not my people. you are. >> you mean that? >> carmen i am so so sorry. i do not mean to ignore you. i guess i just got caught up in all of this. >> it's okay. i guess i did, too. i broke up with sebastian. you right, marisol, he became someone i didn't respect.
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>> i'm so sorry. >> the bad part is now i don't have a place to live. >> well i have an empty guest room. >> no, i couldn't impose. >> oh hell i'm desperate, i'm imposing. >> good, come over tonight. in fact, i have an idea that i'd love to run by you. >> idea for what? >> the next chapter of my life. >> that was a scene from lifetime's hit show "devious maids" and joining us now is one of the show's co-stars ana ortiz. it's good to see you. >> it's good to see you. >> you play marisol. you guys are three years in now? >> this is our third season. >> how great is that? >> amazing. >> that's a lifetime in this lifetime world we're in. >> we've been very lucky. our fans are very loyal. >> are you having fun? >> i'm having so much fun i think and this season is actually the most fun yet. >> tell us about this season. tell us what you love about your character and what you hate about her. >> okay. this season is great. i think what i love about her is
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this is the season where she gets to become empowered. i think her first season she kept trying to get her son free and then the second season she was in love with a bad guy. and now -- >> that bad guy. >> then she wrote a best-selling book. no big deal, you guys anybody can do it. >> right, mark halperin. so you're a big halperin fan? >> big huge. i'm a big joe fan. >> she watches "morning joe." >> i do. and i live in l.a. so we have to dvr it. >> and you actually do that? >> yeah. yeah. >> oh, my lord. i'm impressed. >> she's dedicated to the halperin brigade. >> your fans are going to have to find you on a new night. >> yes, that's true. we are moving. monday at 9:00. >> what do you think working about the concept? because we had a couple of the stars on when it first came out and you thought, oh gosh, is this going to work? what made it zplik. >> i think what made it click is it's basically -- it's a show
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based around these really powerful women and we have eva longoria who's championing us. she's amazing and i think once people gave the show a chan and realized this is just good fun, but it's also driven by these latin women so it's really interesting, i think, that audience has really responded to it. just a show driven by women and telling our stories. >> don't give away the whole season, but tease us a bit. what will happen? >> there's drama. >> oh, there's major drama. >> cliffhanger. >> and i will say that this season is the season of the man. there's a lot of really hot guy this is year. [ laughter ] >> okay! >> so you should watch it, you i'll love it. >> awesome, i love watching hot men on tv. >> not sure that will bring joe in but the devious maids might. >> it's just a fun show. >> so you watch the show a lot,
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obviously you must be interested in politics. >> yes. >> do you think you might get in politics yourself? >> my dad's a politician and my mother's always been very politically -- i don't know. i would like to but maybe behind the scenes. i think i have too many skeletons in my closet to be a politician. >> oh, look at the clintons. >> you're fine. >> so your dad is a politician? >> he was a city councilman in philadelphia, the first puerto rican city councilman and he's always been a big champion and my mother too. my mother -- we used to go to protests and marches. >> now i get why she watches "morning joe." the new season of "devious maids" premiers tonight on lifetime. ana ortiz, thank you for joining us. >> this is a real pleasure thank you. >> more "morning joe" in just a moment. ster than before! so he can rapidly prepare his presentation. and when he perfects his pitch, do you know what chris can do? and that is my recommendation.
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kids welcome back to the show. time to talk about what we've been doing since 1948 what we learned today. young-sam stein, what have you learned? >> i already knew this but cancer is a serious disease, obviously in light of bo bideneau biden. we should donate to it for research and charity. we should look at it in the federal government. expenditures are 23% less on cancer research than they were 2003. we should think about that have a debate about that. >> contribute money to the nih.
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it's money well spent. mika, what did you learn? >> i went to my first show today where you didn't have anything to say about my speech and that i did a very good job. >> my mother always told me if you have nothing nice to say -- >> oh come on! >> i thought it was very good. but you're always great. even impaired you are better than everybody else. >> what did you learn today. >> yeah, what did you learn? >> i just learned about the resilience and the love and the strength of the biden family and looking at those clips of joe biden through the years made me finally understand bobby's words of the awful grace of god that sometimes we turn horrific suffering into comfort for others and joe biden has done that his entire life h. he's a great, great man. he will do it again even in the midst of this tragedy. >> what a legacy beau biden has. unbelievable.
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>> what a great, great man beau biden was. what a great public servant. if it's way too early it's "morning joe." thank you so much for being with us today. stick around. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. first on "the rundown," time has run out on chai national security agency powers. as of this minute, the u.s. government is out of the business of bulk data collection, at least for now. last night, the senate failed to meet a midnight deadline to extend parts of the patriot act that would have authorized a program. that's thanks in large part to one man. >> we are not collecting the information of spies. we are not collecting the information of terrorists. we are collecting all american citizens' records, all of the time. are we going to so blithely

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