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atriot act. >> people here in town think i'm making a huge mistake. some of them i think secretly want there to be an attack on the united states so they can blame it on me. >> plus, he went there. >> you recently said you favor raising the retirement age for social security. to what age? >> 65 to 68 or 70. >> later, reality check. >> you had ed schultz said you were a great candidate with your experience in business. >> i will tell you i appreciated what ed schultz said and he happens to be right. >> and bernie brings it. >> citizens packing in here so many that cruz actually had to open one of these walls and expand the room for everyone to fit. so when do we use the word "interesting"? i guess right now. the 2016 presidential race is getting interesting. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. south carolina senator lindsey graham is officially off and running for president, to the surprise of many. graham kicked off his campaign from his hometown of central
south carolina today. the foreign policy war hawk started his presidential run with the usual rhetoric. >> i would like to be president to defeat the enemies that are trying to kill us. ronald reagan's policy of peace through strength kept america safe during the cold war. but i've come to conclude we will never enjoy peaceful co-existence with radical islam. because its followers intend to destroy our way of life. however, america can be and will be secure only if we have strength. security through strength will protect us. >> well senator graham said that he wants to meet problems honestly and realistically. that last sound byte might question all of that. but anyway the senator said he wants to make government work for the american people again.
he then went right back to the fear mongering. >> radical islam is running wild. they have more safe havens more money, more capability and more weapons to strike our homeland than any time since 9/11. they are large. they are rich. they're entrenched. as president, i will make them small, poor, and on the run. in partnership with others we must take the fight to them. building lines of defenses over there so they can't come here. >> should somebody remind the senator from south carolina how this iraq thing worked not long ago. to this day, we don't know exactly how much we spent on it. what we did get out of it was isis. just when you thought graham was done trying to scare votes out of people, this happened. >> the world is exploding in terror and violence.
but the biggest threat of all is the meager ambitions of the radical islamists who control iran. there are no moderates in iran running their government. if the united states isn't firm in our intention to deny them such weapons, iran will trigger a nuclear arms race in the least stable region on earth making it more likely the people who aspire to genocide will have the most effective means to commit it. >> if you want never ending war in the middle east i guess lindsey graham is your candidate. meanwhile, another republican couldn't be further away from graham on national security. rand paul from kentucky is against international intervention. he's also leading the charge against provisions in the patriot act in the senate. on sunday paul halted key sections of the patriot act, including section 215, this
program authorized the nsa's bulk collection of mega data to monitor lone wolf suspects also expired atted my nights last night. this is no doubt a win for rand paul and his campaign especially when it comes to fundraising. he turned heads with these remarks on the senate floor. >> are we so frightened that we're willing to give up our freedoms? are we willing to really trade liberty for security? people here in town think i'm making a huge mistake. some of them i think secretly want there to be an attack on the united states so they can blame it on me. >> okay. paul's republican colleagues are furious over this -- what some are calling a political stunt. the government claims it has fewer tools today to stop terrorism. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell had this to say. >> these aren't theoretical threats, mr. president. we have to face up to them.
we shouldn't be disarming unilaterally, as our enemies grow more sophisticated and aggressive. and we certainly should not be doing so based on a campaign of disinformation launched in the wake of the unlawful actions of edward snowden. >> so we might as well give everybody a say in this. former new york governor and presidential candidate george pataki is also slamming him for the move. >> i think he's wrong. i don't understand how he doesn't allow it to happen today. it is simply putting americans at risk for a political reason. i think it's wrong and i think it's unfortunate. >> so here's where we are. the senate has advanced a version of the practicaled the usa freedom act. the bill overwhelmingly passed the house with 388 votes to 88. the bill moves the storage of phone mega data from being held by the government to being held by the telecomm companies.
the senate could vote on a final version of this bill as early as tomorrow. get your cell phones out. want to know what you think tonight. tonight's question should the patriot act be reauthorized? go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. we'll bring you the results in the next segment of the program. for more let me bring in kelly o'donnell, nbc news capitol hill correspondent. thanks for your time tonight. is it fair to say that rand paul is kind of the lone wolf on the hill with the political activities in the last 48 hours? >> it has certainly felt that way, ed. and what we saw even this afternoon was an opportunity to move things along and for the senate to consider some changes that you just explained sooner to do it today. and mitch mcconnell said we already know what the outcome is. let's move this along. and rand paul using his right as any senator has, objected and so that pushes it into tomorrow. that's one tiny example of many where he has been out of step with his own party. that's become almost a badge of
honor for rand paul. the more hawkish side is really fed up. everything from open frustration to bark at each other to eye rolling. they're tired of rand paul using the tools of the estimatesenate, things that he's allowed to do for what many believe is a political purpose. he wanted to claim a victory that brought the end to government bulk collection which is a goal that many shared, but they believe he has taken it too far. when i asked him if he was being overtly political in making this about his presidential campaign he said no, he didn't think so and that he said there would always be cynics who would challenge him on that but these are long-held views that he's had, and he's sticking up for
what he told people he would do when here in the senate. >> what's the white house reaction at this hour after all of this today? >> well, the white house is saying that the usa freedom act, which is this variation which would shift it from government to telecomm companies holding the records, is the way to go and that the lapse that we're in is irresponsible. without naming paul they made a reference to the partisanship of this. and that the senate should move without considering more of this partisan battle. so the white house wants to see this passed. many republicans and democrats want to see it passed. and most people say it will pass, even without rand paul's vote. he's just beginning to use every roadblock in the rule book to slow things down. >> kelly o'donnell on capitol hill tonight. appreciate your time. thanks so much. for more let me bring in jonathan alter, and ron christie with us special assistant to george w. bush. great to have you on tonight. let's back up just a little bit to lindsey graham.
what's the mission here ron? >> well, i think what lindsey graham is going to try to do is position himself as the foreign policy expert. he served in the military the united states air force for a long time. >> military judge, isn't he? >> the former advocate judge general. >> he's going to say i have more foreign policy experience than everybody else up here. i want to put 10,000 more troops back up in iraq. i'm the guy who can lead america forward post-obama based on the threat that we have for foreign affairs and national security. >> watching ai inging his announcement there weren't too many people clapping when he talked about that. this is a rather unpopular position, isn't its? >> what's really interesting is it's pretty clear the republicans right-hand turn going to nominate either of these guys. rand paul is too far to the libertarian side and lindsay graham and john mccain are out of step with where the country is. we're war weary. we don't want to fight in all these countries. so we're going to nominate somebody who's in between the two of them. what's interesting is whoever they nominate, both of these
guys are really changing the party. they're pulling it from different sides. and a different kind of republican party will come out of this. so this is a struggle for power that's larger than the presidential campaign. >> i think he's right. i think you're absolutely right. i think what is beginning to be most interesting is when we get to the south carolina primary, if these two are still in it you're going to have fireworks. you're going to have such a dynamic between rand paul and lindsey graham going at each other based on i want more troops on the ground, i don't want any more troops on the ground. their ideological philosophies differ so great, i think it could hurt jeb bush or scott walker. these guys are not what the establishment types are and it's going to change what sort of nominee we're going to get. >> what do you think this does to rand paul's campaign? is this a fundraising stunt? kelly o'donnell pointed out these are long-held views they held about the constitution. a lot of people upset with the
collection of data. are we less safe today because of rand paul? >> i think that's safe to say. intelligence gather and assembling and using intelligence, you don't want to hit the light switch to the down position and turn it off the way that he did. i put this at his feet at least temporarily suspending the patriot act. >> your take on that? >> what's very interesting about that is that it's very good news politically for the democrats and hillary clinton. and here's why. if, god forbid there is another attack on american soil it will be harder for the entire republican party to say see, it's hillary clinton and barack obama. they're the ones who let down our defenses elect us because we'll make america strong. because the democrats will be able to say hey, no it's rand paul. it's part of the republican party that took down our defenses. it muddies any kind of a national security message that republicans might want to carry in the fall. >> with section 215 gone for a while, are we less safe? >> i don't think they're going
to be able to -- terrorists are going to be able to get something going in these couple of days because that suggests that section 215 was what was keeping us safe. and there's a lot of controversy about that about whether it really was deterring or preventing terrorist attacks. >> but the government can pretty much do whatever it wants to do and they have a certain amount of time hours to connect to the judge, or the justice department for the fisa court. so they can still listen to anybody they want to listen to. >> they should use the fisa court. and rand paul is right. and this debate is healthy. the problem with all of these limitations is when they happened in world war i or world war ii we knew there was an end point. when the war was over we were going to get our freedoms back. the problem with these laws is that they're permanent. and what rand paul is raising is do we want these permanent restrictions on our freedoms or
should we revisit them from time to time to have healthy debates. >> and the other portion of this whole dynamic of this story is mitch mcconnell. how could he not see this coming? >> yeah and you heard harry reid say just that on the senate floor the other night. look, i don't want to attack republicans. i don't want to belittle the majority leader, but you had to have seen this coming right? >> was this a kentucky thing? >> could be. >> rand paul says i tried to do something about it but mitch mcconnell wouldn't let me. >> here's the thing i find odd about this. mcconnell was very specific and very personal in his language about what he did, but yet mcconnell was supporting rand paul for president. can't have it both ways. >> that was because rand paul and mcconnell used to be big rivals in kentucky politics. mitch mcconnell supported rand paul's opponent in the republican primary when paul first ran for the senate. so there was bad blood to try to get right with rand paul when mitch mcconnell was running for re-election the last time out,
he had a peace deal. they obviously can't stand each other. >> so rand paul certainly not a popular position. that makes it tough on the campaign doesn't it? i think we got a dose of reality just how far away he is from the nomination with all of this. >> exactly. >> 388 votes in the house. you have an overwhelming number in the senate. president obama wants to extend this. i think he made his point. i hope it's not for fundraising purposes. there are a lot of folks in capitol hill today who are saying this looks more about his presidential campaign than keeping america say. >> he's going to be in this all the way through the primaries. it's unlikely he'll get the nomination, but it will be like ron paul his father on steroids. and we will not be done with rand paul in our politics for quite a long time. >> jonathan alter, ron christie great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. remember to answer tonight's
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has started. in the presidential race lindsey graham kicking off his campaign today calling for a hike in the retirement age. >> anybody on social security and medicare? anybody want to be on social security and medicare one day? all of us. and younger people you may just have to work a little bit longer. >> well chris christie told the new hampshire voters to raise it up to 69 the age for retirement. jeb bush says he's running for president, but did say when seniors should receive benefits. >> we need to look over the horizon and begin to phase in over an extended period of time going from 65 to 68 or 70. and that by itself will help sustain the retirement system for anybody under the age of 40. >> how about 75? 80? what the heck? 35 40 45-year career?
all these reforms wouldn't affect current seniors, but would still burden a whole new generation. jeb's brother wanted to undercut the safety net as well. george w. bush tried to privatize the system and dump money into the stock market. diverting taxes into private accounts. would have drained money from current retirees. the proposed reform was a path to a disastrous benefit cut, raising the retirement age puts benefits on the chopping block again, raising the eligibility age would mean fewer benefits for lower income workers who typically die younger than those who make more. life expectancy has grown steadily for the rich. poor people in this country who typically work more physically demanding jobs get their benefits pushed farther away. joining me tonight is former reagan and george h. w. bush policy adviser bruce bartlett. good to have you with us tonight. >> happy to be here. >> it's a rather interesting
approach. obviously the republicans aren't concerned about the solvency of social security. they couldn't privatize it during the bush years. so now they want everybody to work a little bit longer and continue to contribute. how do you get senior citizens onboard with that? >> well first of all, the social security system is not in trouble. to make it last in exactly its current form, virtually forever only requires small fixes. it doesn't require increasing the retirement age. that's just one of those things that people seem to feel that they have to say to show that they're serious about the budget and about the deficit. but you have to remember guys like jeb bush are also in favor of huge tax cuts for the wealthy. for some reason being serious about the budget never seems to include being serious about revenues. >> paralleling life expectancy in this country, it seems like these candidates have come to the conclusion well what the heck, you can work longer.
again, selling this is this a popular point with the american people as you see it? >> oh, absolutely not. there's a very considerable amount of poll data showing that people are absolutely opposed to raising the retirement age. and apparently mr. bush is not even entirely clear on what the retirement age is. it was 65 for most of social security's history. and in 1983 congress voted to increase it gradually to age 67. for people in my generation we have to wait until age 66 as it is to get full retirement benefits. >> jeb bush also said he learned a lesson on spending from his brother. listen to this. >> i learned also from not having, keeping the reins on spending. because of the war and because of the focus on protecting the homeland he let the republican congress get out of control.
>> what's your response to that? >> i think it's astonishing. you'd think his brother, the president, was just some guy who was an innocent bystander and these bullies in congress forced him to accept higher spending. but the president has a veto. plus he has an enormous amount of political leverage to utilize through the office of management and budget and other government agencies to try to keep spending under control. he never did a single solitary thing. spending rose from 17.5% of gdp when he took office, to over 20% by 2008 even before the deficit grew because of the economic collapse. >> well, isn't this somewhat of a moment jeb bush saying hey i'm my own man, i don't think just like w? >> perhaps, but he was pretty coy about blaming his brother. and when he's been asked other questions, about for example
would he go into iraq as his brother did, he skirted the question and it's not entirely clear to me exactly what his position on that issue is. >> all right. jeb bush says his brother is not going to be a problem. we shall see as time goes on. bruce bartlett good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. still to come bruce jenner's big reveal. and the donald gets ready to jump into the 2016 race. we think. we'll look at what he brings to the republican field, if that's what's going to happen. stay with us. we're right back. d i could call angie's list if i needed work done around my house at a fair price. you heard right, just tell us what you need done and we'll find a top rated provider to take care of it. so i could get a faulty light switch fixed? yup! or have a guy refinish my floors? absolutely! or send someone out to groom my pookie? pookie's what you call your? my dog. yes, we can do that. real help from real people. come see what the new angie's list can do for you.
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and we are back on "the ed show." hundreds of supporters gathered in baltimore to cheer on former maryland governor martin o'malley as he launched his presidential campaign on saturday. o'malley wasted no time taking direct shots at democratic frontrunner hillary clinton. >> recently the ceo of goldman sachs let his employees know that he'd be just fine with either bush or clinton. i bet he would! well, i've got news for the bullies of wall street. the presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth by you
between two royal families. >> well however, clinton isn't the only candidate who is said to give o'malley a run for his money if he mounts a good charge anyway. vermont senator bernie sanders is now clinton's top rival in early polls and he's drawing overflow audiences to prove it. they're listening to this guy. last week in davenport, iowa sanders produced a standing room only crowd of 750 people at an event slated to seat just 300. on sunday just yesterday, more than 3,000 supporters gathered in minneapolis, minnesota, for a rally for senator sanders. many supporters stood outside because the hall was absolutely full. one of our producers was on the ground to ask folks on the ground why they were siding with team bernie. >> i think he's on the right side of almost all the issues. the wealth gap is one of his big issues. of course, i think that's very important. >> i'm a social worker so i really support his views on welfare. >> both of us are on here
because we're really appreciative of having someone who's campaigning for president who doesn't beat around the bush. someone who seems to not be playing the political game. we want somebody who's willing to actually fight for the issues that we care about. >> i expect him to you know challenge hillary clinton and really pose a different voice, one that's a little more left rather than centrist. >> bernie sanders does bring a unique perspective. but more than that he's really bold. >> i've never been so inspired by a politician the way he's inspired myself and a lot of people in my community. >> joining me tonight is nbc news correspondent harry smith, with a lot of connections to iowa. what is happening with bernie? these crowds at this time. what do you make of it? >> just about unprecedented. spent a lot of time covering the caucuses over the years. i remember being out with barack obama seven years ago in the middle of the summer and they were kind of on fire because there were 50 or 60 people there. i mean he was doing a lot of
retail, a lot of retail. but this kind of -- when i picked up the paper this morning and i saw the hundreds of people that showed up for sanders in iowa and the couple thousand that showed up in minneapolis, i was blown away. this kind of stuff does not happen. >> he's not running any television ads. he doesn't have a whole lot of money. he just has a message. and those folks that he's talking to he's saying something they want to hear. is that it? >> there's a couple of different things at play here. i think you need to remember that in iowa and minnesota, there actually were prairie socialists, you know, way back in the day. there's some pretty liberal roots that run up and down i-35. there really is a hunger and thirst and people want to see these candidates. i remember hillary clinton seven years ago got there late. it was kind of amazing. people were sort of looking, shaking their heads. people hardcore female
democrats who are ready to support her are saying what's the deal here? and there's a little of that now, too. >> she's not holding the kind of events that sanders is holding. >> wide open town halls. ask me whatever you want. >> okay. when does she do that? what do you think? >> you know i'm not on the inside of that track. but i was befuddled by how she performed seven years ago. another person that comes into mind when you think about this stuff, who was the guy who campaigned on two americas? john edwards. had that first caucus been held a week later in '04, i promise you he would have beaten kerry. he came on so strong. and of course he came in second to obama seven years ago. >> so sanders is something to really watch here as you see it? i mean these early crowds? it couldn't be any better this early, could it? >> you know it is -- you would think of this as there's an oh wow moment.
and i think that if -- i wouldn't bet that he doesn't actually show up. i think there could be a there there. and i think maybe you heard those young people right? they don't want to hear blather, whatever you want to call it. this guy is saying i'm going to put 13 million americans to work fixing the infrastructure in the country, right? everybody knows how bad the roads are and the sewer systems and everything else. everybody's been talking about it. this guy says let's do this thing. maybe it's something as simple as that. maybe one health care payer, all this other stuff. you look at the suffering that the middle class, the lower middle class, working americans, the stuff you talk about. that's going to have resonance with somebody. >> well i think that it's going to be very very interesting. according to the latest polls, we've got the democratic caucus goers. sanders has tripled his support in iowa. and i find that interesting. hillary still dominates at 57%.
bernie stands at 16 and greowing. o'malley at 2%. these are early numbers. but the crowds -- the latest crowds of sanders tells me that he doubled his numbers for a reason. >> we've got to watch him as he goes back. watch these numbers over the next month or two. because this is when it gets done. this is when people say listen hillary may even seem inevitable to them but they may still as iowans want to make a statement and say, you know what? you think this is a coronation run for you? but we have other things to say here and we may want to pull you back in the other direction. >> harry smith, thanks for your time. appreciate you coming in tonight. thank you so much. joining me tonight, our rapid response panel, craig varega. also the founder and president of the patriot majority act and former chief strategist for governor o'malley's last campaign. and republican strategist mercedes schlapp is with us tonight. craig, your thoughts? how does o'malley get into this
race? obviously he's in it, but how does he start gathering steam? >> well i think the really interesting thing that y'all were just talking about is that sanders is a significant factor. o'malley's real opponent right now is sanders. it's not hillary clinton. and sanders by any metrics is doing significant well. he has crowds, as you said. he has more than a million facebook likes. for governor o'malley he needs to deal with the bernie sanders factor without getting into a battle with the long shots. then he needs to raise money. then he needs to run a perfect campaign. and frankly, he probably needs to get lucky in the short term over the next several months. >> i would think he needs a lot of luck. of course, bernie sanders says he's not going to attack hillary clinton. but of course, mr. o'malley did. mercedes, what do you think of that? >> well, you know i think governor o'malley is struggling right now because he really is sort of this policy wonk. he's not this inspirational
figure. so i think when you look at him on the campaign trail he comes across a little awkward. i think that for o'malley he needs to go ahead and attack hillary clinton. the one area he can do that is by saying we shouldn't have these political dynasties. he's trying to work for fighting for the american people. i think for bernie sanders, what's so interesting is that he really comes across being this crusader. and he really is just unfiltered, straight shooter, really has a vision, whether you agree with it or not. i think it's refreshing for those especially the liberal democrats, those grass roots folks that are out there saying you know what? i don't know if i quite trust hillary clinton. hillary clinton's got to be careful. if her numbers continue to drop into the fall and close to the primary season, she can be in a little bit of trouble there. >> well i think that republicans certainly want to see hillary clinton have some trouble. i think grass roots democrats want addressed by hillary clinton that bernie sanders has
already done. listening to mr. o'malley over the weekend, you know he's going after wall street. he's a big supporter of the middle class. he's going to try to out-bernie bernie it seems like, and attack hillary at the same time. how does he go introduce himself into iowa when he's kind of bernie-like? i don't mean to diss the guy, but he may have some make recognition issues early on. >> i think he sincerely believes everything he said. he had a very progressive record as governor. what he needs to do is to go into iowa and do some retail politics just the way that sanders has done. he needs to also find one or two issues that hillary clinton and he disagree on and he needs to emphasize those issues. what we heard on saturday it was a good speech but it was thematic, it wasn't issue driven in the sense that it didn't show the policy differences that he
has with senator clinton. so it's like i think that's what he needs to do. but in order to deal with the sanders factor if he engages with him directly, that's a problem, too, because it's a battle of the long shots and that's not going to help o'malley in the long-term. >> when does hillary clinton start doing different types of campaigning the way the other guys are doing it? mercedes. >> goodness. i don't even know if she's ever going to get off that listening tour. it feels like she's been on the listening tour for years. you know i think it's really to her disadvantage that she's not being clear on specific issues. like the issue of trade. i think it really does confuse i think the democratic voter to be like, well do we want to trust her? she says she's for the working family but dealing with speaking engagements at over $300,000. she still seems very cozy with wall street. i think it brings up so many questions. if you do have that open space, i think bernie sanders is again, being that straight shooter, talking what he believes should be the right thing for america, and i think
that the democratic liberals are listening. >> well i just got word that bernie sanders has asked the dnc for more debates. what do you think of that? >> they've already offered six. i'm sure that o'malley will join him in asking for additional debates. we'll see whether there are more. i think that a robust debate and discussion is not just for the democratic party and those candidates but for the country. >> all right. >> great to have both of you with us tonight. still to come hillary clinton gets a big payday from canadian companies promoting the keystone xl pipeline. we'll have the details coming up. stay with us.
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the push for the keystone pipeline is pushing toward the border. he is promoting his city to the energy investors and the keystone xl pipeline is a hot to havic. he says the pipeline and the oil it would transport from canada have been given a bad
rap. >> when you look at the total emissions, you don't have a lot
of moving it to the tank versus shale oil versus what we've got in alberta. it is all oil and we have to move to a lower carbon future. we know that. the question is does getting rid of this pipeline move through any quicker? and i would argue it doesn't. >> as they promote keystone one of the top democrats is pretty much silent on the issue. new reports show a connection between hillary clinton and the companies backing the pipeline. the handcuffington post reports two canadian banks with big ties to trans canada sponsors speeches given by hillary clinton months before she announced her presidential campaign. those speeches netted the secretary of state more than $1 million. the speeches were paid for either in full or in part
by canada imperial bank of comers and the td bank. both banks have ties to trans canada and have been major advocates to the pipeline. in addition, one of the cibc board members is a former trans
canada lobbyist. it is not clear how the bank's money was used at each event. it is also not clear where hillary clinton stands on the keystone xl pipeline. let me turn to a parliamentary correspondent for the global national. great to have you with us. is this an issue with canadians? the support that some are seeking of hillary clinton? >> i think it is somewhat of an issue. especially heading into your presidential race down there. we're all sort of watching to see where miss clinton stanls. i think a su fehr back when she was secretary of state it was more clear that perhaps she did support it or was leaning in that direction. that support seem to have waned or she has become a bit more silent on it and we're not hearing from her on it. >> weren't there just recent elections in canada? it was a big party shift in fact. and most of those folks who have
been elected and the leadership are against the key stoenl xl pipeline. where is this momentum coming from. just the financial sector? >> you're absolutely right. the new government there is not supportive of the key stone xl pipeline. they say it will shipment jobs to the u.s. where we should be refining that oil here. momentum has definitely waned over the past few years. i remember when i was in that province a few years back the question was more when will it get approved in the united states. now, then it became if it will be approved and now i feel like we're all waiting for when it will officially be told we're get an official no and we can kind of move on from there and we can see if the next presidency will approve it. so i think that you're right. it is possibly still coming from companies, from the business sector which is very heavily invested in its approval. overall i have a sense that momentum in canada as a whole
has definitely wayned. >> do you think they were trying to by that with the connections there? >> that's an interesting question. i'm not sure if i am equipped to answer it. dwaun my report. it is not a surprise hear that major financial institutions or big banks with connections to the energy sector would be trying to influence or garner some support among political leaders. nobody has really made a huge secret of that. the government here, the federal government has even lobbied many industry insiders and many government officials in the u.s. for years on this issue. i think the question for many people here is why hasn't that worked to a certain degree? but i don't think it has been as secretive as the reporting made it out to be in this particular instance. >> who is winning the environmental argument on this? you just heard the mayor of calgary on msnbc earlier saying
that it is not the dirtiest oil. you have others who are against the pipeline saying it is the dirtiest oil in the world. and it shouldn't come to market and it won't affect gas prices in america. and of course it is dirtier than anything else being refined in texas. who is winning that argument in canada? >> in canada that's an interesting question. i think it is still a very viable argument. the argument is being had here. i think there is a reason that people are sitting back and saying why hasn't this pipeline been approved? and we're very could goies in ant of the debate taking place. and where president obama stands on it. the comments he's made especially in the last six months about the type of oil we have. i think there is a large section of the population that is defensive and would disagree the assessment that it is such dirty oil. even the new government in alberta is talking about putting a carbon tax. what can we do. we're very aware the reputation of our oil is at stake here and
it hasn't been a good reputation for sure. >> good to have you with us tonight. thank you for your perspective on this and your reporting. that's the "ed show." politics nation with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening. and thank you for tuning in. developing news tonight. dick cheney is back to steer the republicans ahead in 2016. that's right. the former vice president has resurfaced in a big way. he is telling the "wall street journal," he is planning a new push to put his foreign policy vision front and center for 2016. on on iran he says the u.s. should be prepared to launch military attacks on nuclear sites. on iraq he is ignored questions about whether we should have invaded iraq and, quote,