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rand paul and bernie sanders. are they bomb throwers or bellwethers? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. ryan paul, the libertarian on guard against nsa surveillance and proud socialist bernie sanders in attack mode on billionaires and wall street. well, guess what. these are the boys getting the attention toward 2016. the only pair getting out its message. if you know these guys, you know where they stand. can you say that about the front runners? the key question now is whether rand paul stands for bigger notions about america than the old frontier fear of government. does bernie sanders have a politically doable plan to pay for all these offering? are they just bomb throwers or
bellwethers in the future? howard fineman, and the national politics correspondent with the washington most. first, rand paul is out there explaining the hell out of his moment in the sun on the issue of government surveillance. yesterday he single handedly brought the republican senate to a halt. forcing the exploration of key elements of the patriot act. here is paul making his stand. >> the people who argue that the world will he believed and we'll be overrun by jihadists tonight are trying to use fear. they want to take a little bit of your liberty but they get it by making you afraid. they want you to fear and give up your liberty. people here in town think i'm making a huge mistake. some of them, i think, secretly want there to be an attack on the united states so they can blame it on me. they'll be the first to point fingers and say, oh, yeah. it is all your fault. we never should have given up on this great program.
>> the republican freakout was then palpable. john mccain who has a long history. i think it is very clear, this is to some degree a fundraising exercise. he obviously has a higher priority for his fundraising and political ambitions than for the security of the nation. mccain also said this. i've said on many occasions i believe he would be the worst candidate we could put forward. that's personal. and jeb bush, whapg will happen if there is an attack on our country. a lot of people will say where were you? and a case of political posturing. that's not new. howard, i'll start with you and i'll get to ann. paul is probably despised most for ruining their week. he was driving back on the hill and there's the light in the capitol on the dome. oh, that's right. >> that's what they want to see
on a sunday for sure. i'll say this about rand paul. >> seriously, folks. >> i'll say this. as you say, people know where he stands on this issue. like bernie sanders, he has one thing that will take him some distance. he is authentic. that's an overused word in politics but i think it is true. any guy who goes so far to say, if there is an attack, people will blame me. that's beyond authentic. to me that's going a little bit toward personal psycho drama that i don't think will -- >> unless he was feeling the vibe. >> he definitely was. the most damming comments came from mitch mcconnell. they've been spending the year trying to become semi friends. mcconnell let him have it. he said this is disingenerous. political grand standing. and mcconnell lost patience. >> i went out to interview him
in charlotte. then we went across to south carolina. a semi rural area and all the republicans were there. i sat there and watched rand paul talk to them. talk about authenticity. this is the old time religion about government being the enemy. not just the second amendment, on the fourth amendment. confiscation issues. they're coming to get your stills, your gun. so he is clearly fearful, not of the jihadists but of washington. the question is, will that sell? >> i think it sells to a point. he is really tapping in. it speaks to the time we are in the cycle. what rand paul is appealing to is the libertarian narrow which you identify.
strong and constant but fairly small. what he's going to, what he would need to do is expand that. >> maybe it's too much of an opinion question. do you think most americans are scared of the government? they think they're coming to get them? >> i don't think they're scared of the government. >> most americans feel, they also feel at least part of what rand paul is expressing on this surveillance and security stuff. he's gone further. certainly further than the rest of his party as we were talking about. >> are you so young, i know you're younger than us. are you so young that you appreciate the concerns of young men and women in their 20s, that the cell phone they own is their life? they don't own a car, they may not be married, they don't have a house, but this has all their soul and they're afraid someone will get at it. >> that's part of it.
they don't see it as an object, an extension of their life. >> it is where they live. >> that's a really interest point you raise. those voters are going to be voting in large number. they do like him. and really for the first time. the 2008 electorate. not everybody had a smart phone at that point now. they do. >> here's the problem. it was the issue of surveillance. the nsa and so forth. >> the meta data. >> yes. that made rand paul. the original 13-hour speech on the floor about this. that made him a national figure and a national hero, including to a lot of young people. who are the last 20 people you talked on. not what you talked about. >> i think it is concerning. >> that no matter what you talked about. >> yet it is the youngest voters
who are most, almost promiscuous about telling details of their lives to the world. they want to control it. they want to be in control of their own brand, their own narrative, their own digital being. they don't want the government manipulating it. so rand paul got to them with that big speech. his challenge is to get beyond this. making this his only issue isn't helping him enough. the bill of rights will be great in the mountains of carolinas. great in new hampshire. this in many ways. >> the live free or die state. and if he can't really score big in new hampshire, then he is not going. >> that will be the battle royal. >> i think so. it is called the gun owners of new hampshire. >> guess who made that. pat buchanan. one guy is allowed. not patton.
the desert fox on the other side. >> rommel. >> not pat. >> they admired his guns. >> they liked his direction. it is the david versus goliath battle against hillary clinton. here's sanders yesterday on "meet the press" talking, his word, revolution. >> i think we need a political revolution in this country. i think we need to take on the greed of the billionaire class. the disastrous campaign finance system. he know where i've been on the key stone pipeline. and she will explain her position. >> and hillary clinton will get to her position. as the new york times noted, bernie sanders is gaining momentum in eye watch he is moving into second place.
key here. 16 points now. that's more than 10 points higher than in january. clinton dominates with 57%. if you're number two in eye warning you can win new hampshire. because he is the alternative to hillary. and iowa is bernie sanders territory on the democratic side. there always is a strong base of very liberal -- >> do they need a translator? >> no. very liberal people. there are no military installations in iowa. >> it is also historically isolated. >> almost pacifist isolation. but they also like government programs when they help, like farm programs. they're liberals out there in the democratic caucuses and they like to organize. hillary will spend a lot of money. >> we did some homework before your time. 1968. >> i was alive.
>> it was also hillary clinton's hero. this is a picture with hillary with bill. hillary clinton might have been bernie sanders' hero. she campaigned for the gene mccarthy in 1968, new hampshire. in her memoir, living history, hillary writes, by the time i was a college jr. i had gone from being a goldwater that girl to supporting the anti-war campaign of eugene mccarthy. i would drive to manchester, new hampshire to stuff envelopes and walk precincts. and she would be with bernie today, you might say. >> it is not that big a leap. that's exactly what she would like you to think, right? that at this point, she would be that same, speak to that same kind of energy and youthful enthusiasm that she had then. that bernie sanders is tapping into a bit now. i think it is very interesting about eye watch that bernie sanders could come in a strong second.
he looks best position among the very few. >> can he get 42? >> i think new hampshire is a much harder chime for him. it is rand paul territory. in iowa, he will probably do well. a very long time. and her campaign is already trying to lower expectations about her, how large she's going to win in iowa. they keep saying several times over the last week. nobody other than a sitting president, vice president or tom harkin has gotten more than 50% in iowa. >> and bernie has been such a mini sensation. >> not bernie has to get clean for jean. this has been fun. threat a cycle of history. new hampshire remains the place where you make your mark and
blow away the front runner. >> they are both bellwethers. >> it is a state that makes sense even after all these years as a place to test your act. you two were pretty good together. coming up, an i side look at a family with its share of tragedies. the bidens. the loss the vice president had over the weekend. plus isis. as isis continues its rampage. training iraqi christians to fight back against isis. and dick cheney wants to make sure the republican party doesn't move forward without him. finally the debut of caitlyn jenner with graces the cover of "vanity fair."
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as attorney general for eight years, biden charted his own path. his admiration for his dad ran deep. and their bond was solidified by the family tragedy they both endured over 40 years ago when joe biden's wife and daughter were killed in a horrible car accident while they were bringing home a christmas tree. bo and his brother barely survived that accident. later when it was time for bo biden to be sworn in, he refused, to leave the hospital bed side. be here he is talking about his responsibilities as a father. >> if in six months or so there is a conflict between my being a good father and a good senator, which i hope will not occur, we can always get another senator but they can't get another father. >> that's bill in bed there. for years following that accident, he traveled home every single night to be part of his children's lives.
last night the vice president spoke about that habit and how he forged such a bonl between he and his two sons. >> incredible bond i have with my children is a gift i'm not sure i would have had had i not been through what i went through. looking back on it, the truth be told, the real reason i went home every night was that i needed my children more than they needed me. >> in his words, beau biden was quite simply the finest man any of us have ever known. >> my experience, beau here in places like the make-up room when he was getting ready to do a show. perhaps up in nantucket. they went up for thanksgiving. and of course, meeting joe during town meetings. i realize that that family is a different picture than nationally. he is simply part of that state.
>> certainly he has been, but the whole family has been. i can tell you people throughout delaware today are really grieving. an unspeakable loss. people from all per situations and all parts of our state are so sad today. >> did you know it was that serious? he had the stroke a while ago. and then it looked like he was okay. then it looked like he was okay after a procedure. and then how long is this dangerous situation been going before he died? >> i did not know. i knew he was in the hospital because it was reported that way. i talked to him most recently in february. i invited him to meet with the democratic governors. we expected he would be running
next year and we expected he would win. and we expected he would be a very effective governor as well. that was the last time i spoke to him. but just such a tragic loss for the biden family. >> that squares with the intel we have here. he was ready to run. hillary clinton is one factor but apparently, joe biden didn't want to run for president on the same year that his son ran for governor. >> i had not heard that. there were a lot of people who were very enthusiastic about a beau biden candidacy. and i think that's true for two main reasons. one, he was a very effective attorney general. he leaves a great legacy. especially around protecting children which is what he wanted to do with every fiber of his being and he did. also, he is just a great guy. and i think in a day and age when people are so cynical about
so many elected officials, beau was the real deal. he was genuine. kind and respectful to everybody. there was a reason he was the most popular elected official in delaware and it had to do with the kind of person that he is. >> thank you so much for coming on. in a speech to the families of fallen soldiers in 2012, vice president biden spoke about what it is like the lose a child. let's listen. >> i was down in washington hiring my staff. and i got a phone call. saying that my family had been in an accident. and just like you guys know by the tone of the phone call, you just knew. for the first time in my life i understood how someone can consciously decide to commit suicide. not because they were deranged, not because they were nuts. they had been to the top of the mountain. and they just knew in their heart they would ever get there again. no parent should be pre deceased by their son or daughter. >> i'm joined now by claire, a former senior counsel and close
family friend. we all look at these from the outside. and you were on the inside of. political family. that politics was sprinkled throughout the tragedies. the tragedies were the bookmarks of the biden family. >> the tragedies were the bookmarks, chris. the core of the bidens was family. and beau learned that at a very young age. there is a reason that people like myself and governor markel and thousands of others when they remember beau, talk about family. it was everything to him. not just his father and mother and brother and sister, his wife haleighie and his two young children, his cousins were like siblings, his aunlts and uncles. he treated our parents and our siblings when he would see them out. he treated them with the same kindness and respect that he treated friends he had known his whole life.
and the third thing again to echo the governor is, he gave poolt good name. he was in politics for the right reason. and that's what i hope people will remember about beau the most. >> how can he project a public political personality by being low key. his father is not low key. he is out there. beau seemed like an introvert. >> it is the same eye contact that you see in the heart breaking pictures between he and his father. the way they locked eyes. and that twinge in his eye. that's how he connected with people. he was a tremendous speaker in his own right. but when he was out at public events, when he was campaigning. when he was at sears and run into my mom. it is that be eye contact and smile and the twinkle in the eye
that grabbed you. and then his accomplishments in office, protecting children, prosecuting and helping families who have victims of crime. that was genuine. and he was in it for the right reasons. >> biden spoke about morning joe how tragedy made his family stronger. >> the reality is everyone of us here, everyone in this room has had some tragedy in life. some tragedy. and we either tragedies make you stronger or they break families apart. and i've been a blessed, blessed son. i had my aunt move in with me. my grand mother raised me. aid new mom five years later. i had a father who enveloped my brother and i with love. i've been a lucky, lucky man. >> there you are. you pictured him well. thank you for coming on. up next, the fight against isis and the american out there training iraqi christians to
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ash carter recently complained about the inbail of the iraqi troops to fight it. >> iraqi forces just showed no will to fight. they were not outnumbered. in fact they vastly outnumbered the opposing force. and yet they failed to fight. >> matthew van dikes, an american who just returned from training iraqis to confront iraqis in iraq. he is not part of the u.s. military. he has no military training. he is a volunteer and working with iraqi christians in an area northeast of mosul.
>> matthew joins us right now. why are you doing this? >> i decided to see what i could do after the deaths of my friends. >> you knew foley. >> yes. >> i carry his picture in my wallet. i share the goal. let me ask but this. this statement by our secretary of defense. did the forces in the field. the regular army iraq doesn't want to fight. >> that's correct. morale is extremely low. really the only forces doing much are the shiite militias, which fuel the sectarian divides in the country. >> what about the christians over there? how many christians do you have contact with in iraq? >> the militia we've been working with, we've trained about 335 so far. but 2,000 have signed up. they just lack weapons and ammunition.
>> are they in action? >> they're not in action. they're still training. they are deployed to show people they are out there working and taking care of towns. >> who will lead them into battle to face death in. >> their own commanders. we recently did training. we're trying to build the army from scratch. they want to recover their lands. they want to demonstrate that they don't to have flee the country. that christianant has a future in iraq and they can be responsible for their own security. >> i know about that. the jed wits used to teach at the university of baghdad. >> iraq has a rich history of christianant. >> anybody who saw the exorcist can figure that out. what stuns me. >> you have isis forces and suicide armored vehicles, coming through the iraqi forces lines and blowing themselves up like hiroshima bombs. how do you fight that with people who want.
have the normal edire sow live? how do you fight an army that is determined to die and kills you in the process. >> it is very difficult to fight a that not only seeks death but fears death. this is about helping a person to find something to fight for. >> joe biden months ago, and he took some christian from it. he said it is not a real country anymore. that it was created by westerners. and so why don't you let it come apart. my question is it becomes, if the iranian dominated issue part fights. they'll fight for will have land. the kurds will fight for their land. who will fight isis in the sunni territories? what would be the motivation? their own country? why would they fight isis in the sunni territory?
>> that's the problem. they won't. who will supply and arm them? we can't be sure where the arms will go. nor do they have the capability to actually fight isis. the truth about this conflict is there is no force on the ground that can fight isis. there is a unified forceful there won't be a forceful it is a problem without a solution. >> why are you helping? >> i'm helping christians to be able to handle their territory and their lands. the way this war will play out. shy it's a will defend their land. christians in theirs, kurds in theirs. hopefully everybody can squeeze isis out of their territory over the border. >> are you going back over in. >> i am in a few weeks. >> are you taking anybody with you? >> this past time we took a former west wing instructor to to do leadership training. >> look out for yourself over there. thank you. he's going over to fight isis. tomorrow on "hardball" we'll talk to the iraqi ambassador about his country's fight such as it is.
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an investigation by the department of homeland security found the tsa failed to detect fake explosives and other explosives with a 95% failure rate. the nation's transportation secretary visit ad decaying >> we're back and so apparently is fred country kruger. he told the "wall street journal" he twanlts issues he cares about to be front and center in the 2016 presidential campaign. issues like preparing to use military force against iran, of course, shipping arms to allies in eastern europe and singling a larger number of trumans into his favorite country of opportunity, iraq. to steer the conversation, he will release a new book in september. he's found ad new group along with his daughter liz, the alliance for a strong america. in addition to the "wall street journal," he's been semi regular
trips to washington. to address house republicans. he is also advising several lucky gop contenders and headlining republican donor events. is the republican party really willing to embrace cheney and his world view? david corn from mother jones, and a democratic strategist and former chief of staff. and eugene robinson, a come i ammist for the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst. why is he back? i think all the polls show, he's poison. >> the silver stake didn't work? he's back because he's dick cheney. this is what he does. he believes he was right. and he believes he is always right. and he, you know, by golly -- >> well, do you know what agrees with him?
>> this is to the inconvenience of the republican party. >> rins priebus said they're embracing him right now. he told the "wall street journal," the party is very fortunate to have an active and engaged addiction cheney for this upcoming political cycle. he's a top fundraising draw in high demand. a witty spokesperson for the national committee said there's no one happier about dick cheney becoming a foreign policy surrogate than we are. if he needs any stance getting out his message, our team would be happy to help him book for interviews. >> i think people who lead us into the worst decisions we've ever seen have no business advising anyone and anything. it would be like the captain of the titanic was writing a become about how to avoid icebergs. do you know what i want to read from him? a very long apology. a 17-page apology. >> we had the chief cia briefer
for the w administration and cheney during the whole run-up to the war in iraq. and he said we never once said they had nuclear weapons. where's cheney? let's look at them right now. >> we know he's been absolutely devoted to acquiring nuclear weapons and we know he has in fact constituted nuclear weapons. >> was that true? >> they were saying -- >> can you answer that question? he had a nuclear weapon. >> i'm telling what you we said. >> that is a big deal. they claimed he had a weapon when you knew they didn't. >> that's a big deal. >> i would say that's a big deal. it is the reason a lot of reasonable people in the middle went with that war. if he has nuclear weapons, we have to fight. if they hadn't said that. >> of all the misrepresentations that came out of the bush
administration leading up to the war in iraq, about 90% of them, this is a rough estimation, came from dick cheney including that one. again and again and again. and he's been proven wrong. the guy who has to be worried about this the most is jeb bush. every time dick cheney pops up, the jack in the box, the chounlt chocula. jeb bush is going to say oh, no. and it is good for rand paul. rand paul and jeb bush. rand paul is doing cart wheels about this news today. >> it is like you're trying to win a nats game and one of the big heads running around the field. you can't watch the game anymore. there's dick cheney. on saturday, the rank and file
republican voter. let's watch rand. >> there is a good chunk of the republican party who thinks that we should think before we act. that war is not always the answer. war may be the last resort. not the first. we have to have a strong national defense but we've intervened in the middle east. sometimes we've had unintended consequences. >> the big money driving the republican party? these big gotfaerts of candidates who say i'll give you $200 million. talk line. >> big money drives both parties. big money is in control of both parties. >> the hawkish position. >> big money in general. for a variety of positions. >> he finally got there. you got sheldon, who was a total hawk. marco rubio. and then you have this guy. foster freeze. they do come with an agenda. >> you have the neo cons for years.
not because of money. dick cheney and rumsfeld came out of a korld backing and they carry about strategic interests. even without the big money, individual billionaires, the party still to the right on the hawkish issues. and i think rand paul is wrong. i think they're far more hawkish. >> that's what's so interesting. >> rand paul is tying hillary lately in pennsylvania. >> i don't know if it is a silent majority, kind of a quiet plurality. explain something in the republican party. there is a big chunk that is kind of cautious. and there is a sort of isolationist -- >> we've got a new poll out today. it shows, number one, people don't like the way president obama is handling the war against isis. you want more troops? no. that's the conundrum. the republicans don't want to fight another land war like w led us into but they want
toughness. >> supposedly more than 50% of the gop primary voters are believing that terrorism and national security are the big issues they care about. i think you're pointed to the right problem. people don't know what to do. you. there a fatigue. you don't want to have more people on the ground. >> how do you get to be assertive without being assertive. >> you ask dick cheney. >> they have slogans. marco rubio. we must be safe. i will fight terrorists. i will kill them. >> you need to strike a balance. >> the only one who answers that question. >> they go back. >> i think they like to talk of hawks. any way, the roundtable is staying with us. up next, the debut today of caitlyn jenner. this is "hardball." you'll stick around for that. and we'll find a top rated provider to take care of it. so i could get a faulty light switch
1982. this july coming up he's going to be on the cover of "vanity fair," she is. she says to call her caitlyn. the first photo of caitlyn jenner. the first time jenner is speaking since completing his gender transition. caitlyn jenner tweeted this saying, quote, i'm so happy after such a long struggle to be living my true self. welcome to the world, caitlyn. can't wait for you to get to know her or me. espn also announced today that jenner will be this year's recipient of the arthur ashe courage award it at the espys. david, jennice and eugene. i want you to start. it's a she now and we're instructed by people who care in the lbgt community to do it right and i'm going to do it right. >> thank you. >> we identify people's identity and it's a world that opens up finding yourself in a way people haven't been able to before. >> who are we to judge, to quote
pope francis . he's being honest. his only problem is with his own family. he has taken the time to talk to his family. he has young children probably having a harder time than the older children. this is a lesson for all especially for a community we're not familiar with. if you look and read about 90% of the population knows somebody who is gay, lesbian, bi-sexual. he's doing a huge favor to the community. >> i think we're going to have it in the work place, too. >> i think her emergence as caitlyn jenner actually can be that sort of moment when people focus on transgender issues in a way that they haven't before simply because there wasn't a role model. >> you and i growing up, we had people like christine jorgensen, dr. renee richards, fictional characters. so this was a topic.
it wasn't a present reality so much. >> right, right, right. this is someone who has been in the public eye and whose transformation, because it was rumored for months and talked about for some time before she appeared on the cover of "vanity fair." >> remember david kope of the redskins? >> that was a big moment. i think this is a chance for a kind of focus and learning that we haven't had before. >> this is about as much a public transition as you can have. and she is as highly public a figure and a spokesperson or symbol for this type of change and for people widening their horizons. laverne cox, who is an actress on "orange is the new black" is another person who has been out there for the last couple of years really being a tremendous role model.
my kids love her, not because of the show, but they see her as being a new type of hero talking about defining your own identity which is an important issue for young he people these days as well. so seeing caitlyn jenner out there, laverne cox, it's really quite, i think, inspiring to see their courage. >> first they ignore you. then they laugh at you. and then they attack you. and then you win. it's so true of life. thank you, david corn. we're going to learn. learning is the best part of life. >> she looks beautiful, doesn't she? >> jennice, thank you. i may not go that far but i do appreciate your taste. eugene robinson, sir, you're a great man. two of you are great men. we'll be right back after this. >> and a great woman. powerful protection designed to feel good. micromesh technology lets sweat pass through and evaporate so skin stays comfortable, while clinically proven protection keeps going strong. don't get stuck with a sticky sunscreen.
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like a gold-plated soybean. reliably fast internet starts at $69.95 a month. comcast business. built for business. let me finish tonight with this. in the summer of 1972 i recall spotting a billboard on the way to rehoboth beach that summer. on it was a guy with thinning hair, running for the united states senate. i assumed he didn't have a chance. senator caleb boggs, the man he was challenging, had been elected to the u.s. congress three times, governor of delaware twice, and u.s. senator twice. a decorated veteran of world war ii he had won each office by defeating an incumbent democrat. he was not going to lose to a member of the new castle county council, a 29-year-old not even old enough to take the oath.
what i didn't know is what kind of a campaign young joe biden and his family were running. out in utah where i was working on the campaign myself that fall, there began to be talk of a possible upset coming in delaware, in a year the democrats were led by anti-war crusader george mcgovern, they were getting national attention. what did it for joe biden did it in a way i've never seen before or since was a piece of campaign literature delivered by hand door-to-door over the last weekend that resembled a new york on philadelphia tabloid. on its front page were the words, joe biden is making an impact in the u.s. senate and he hasn't even been elected yet. on the inside were photographs of biden with distinguished senators, jackson, hubert humphrey, phil hart. he looked like he belonged there. in fact, like he was already there. well, that tuesday biden won. in a year richard nixon killed mcgovern, a star was born. and then came the horror. coming home from buying a christmas tree his wife and
daughter were hit by a tractor-trailer both killed in the crash, the two biden boys beau and hunter survived but just barely. stunned by the horror their father committed himself to spending every night back in delaware. the decision which he kept faithfully changed his political career. not being a part of social washington, he never gained admission to the so-called senate club. he never made friends with the washington media crowd, much like a day hop in college, he built his life back home in delaware with his family being a father. and now, again, it's that role that we see him in, a father who has lost a child, again, and that's who he was when the country first met him and who he is now. beau biden, a man everyone who knew him respected, an honest, good, and positive public servant, a father himself, is dead. this is no time for politics even as it has sprinkled through the many years of the biden family tragedies.
in the face of death, the verdicts and glories of politics lose their place in human life. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on a "all in" -- >> bruce always had to tell a lie. caitlyn doesn't have any secrets. >> caitlyn jenner tweets out her "vanity fair" cover and breaks the internet all over again. the inside story of an american icon's public transition. then, as rand paul retreats from his attack on republicans -- >> hyperbole can get the better of anyone. >> with collection of phone data survive the fight over the patriot act? jaw dropping new numbers on police shootings from "the washington post." and good news for texas gun owners who want to pack heat in college dorms, cafeterias and classrooms. "all in" starts right now.