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lu are wrong here. it's common sense. all right, that does it for "the cycle." "now with alex wagner starts right now. the senate is set to vote any minute to reform government surveillance. fifa's president resigns amid scandal. and tsa screeners score a 95% failure rate. but first, the republican 2016 field heads to the happiest place on earth. it's tuesday, june 2nd, and this is "now." >> they're calling it the economic policy summit but we know what it really is. a cattle call. >> we're here on the property of disney, a place where imagination reigns. >> if i didn't think i could compete, i wouldn't have been here today. i wouldn't have made four trips to florida. >> we shouldn't be taxing our corporations like north korea
does. >> the next president who needs to be someone who has signed the front of a paycheck not just the become of one. >> some of them are doing three or four jobs at the same time. >> we have one hell of a mess here in the united states. there's really no point. >> i was called a lot of things when i was governor. looking around to see if any of you called me a few things. i was called veto corleone the one i loved the most. >> from the time my hand goes off the bible, until you come to the inaugural balls. >> the free-for-all republican race heads south, where one florida man finds his former frontrunner status evaporating by the day. just moments ago, jeb bush wrapped up his remarks at governor rick scott's economic growth summit in orlando, where he sized up the burgeoning republican field. >> it's a rambunctious deal. we've got 75 people running i think, last time i checked. i haven't checked how many people announced today, but it's a big field.
it will be competitive. it's not -- this isn't -- there's going to be some elbows and knees under the board here. >> preceding him, bobby jindal mike huckabee, chris christie and perhaps most problematically, wisconsin governor scott walker, who schooled the crowd on economic conservativism. >> nobody signed my yearbook dear scott, good luck becoming dependent. that's not the american dream. we act like that's okay. that's acceptable. >> side note. how many people actually signed scott walker's yearbook? anyway, a brand-new abc "washington post" poll out today finds walker tied with senator rand paul atop the gop presidential field. each man has 11%. jeb bush and marco rubio are tied for second place, just one point behind. but the poll represents a big drop for bush. in late march, the same poll had bush at 21%. eight points over his nearest rival scott walker.
and on that note just over two months until the first debate and neither bush nor walker is officially running. joining me now is correspondent for the upshot at "the new york times," josh baro, jennifer senior eric bates, and host of msnbc's "up," steve kornacki. steve, you're alive in the happiest place on earth, orlando, florida. did jeb bush feel like a frontrunner today? >> i'd say he felt like a frontrunner in this room with this crowd here. this event had the feeling of a homecoming for jeb bush. the former governor of this state. this was an event organized by rick scott, the current republican governor. these are people who jeb bush goes back a long ways with. in some cases, a couple of decades. if he came in here i think he was a little looser than we usually see him. maybe a little more confident. more animated.
he felt like the frontrunner more than any other candidate. i would make that declaration with two catches. the first is this. marco rubio, the senator from florida, the other floridian in this race for president, he was not able to attend in person today because of all the patriot act drama in washington. he stayed in washington. he spoke via a video link earlier today. so if he didn't have that up and close and personal feel. tough to get a real judgment of bush versus rubio and who this crowd is with. the other catch with bush it's much simpler. it's about when the florida primary will take place. it's scheduled for march 15th. the primary season will basically get under way at the start of february. it's a real open question. of whether jeb bush can survive until the florida primary. he's got to put up some wins. he's got big trouble in iowa. talk about writing that off from the bush standpoint. there's hardly any guarantee
when he's running 20% in the polls there. lindsey graham the favorite son is now running in south carolina. in nevada there was a big blow for the bush campaign because they had been counting on getting nevada switched from a caucus to a primary to broaden the electorate. doesn't look like they'll get their way there. so bush has got to put up some wins in those early states to even get to florida. >> steve, hang with me for a second. jennifer, you have a great piece new york magazine magazine profiling jeopardy bush. you note that while jeb has been out of politics this whole movement, the tea party movement has cropped up. you write, rather than pandering to it or even being mindful of it, the governor is running an outright defiance of the movements, aesthetics and note notable cases intellectual preferences as if it didn't exist at all. did you get the sense that the bush campaign is mindful of the unlikeliness of the bush strategy? >> yes and no.
i would say don't you think this is weird? >> a weird strategy and a hard thing to do. >> in a way, i admire it. because he's really not changing his answers a lot. i mean he is very consistent. he continues -- he leaves red meat on the table. he doesn't throw it to his audiences. which is commendable, you know. he doesn't modify his views very much on immigration. >> and common core. things that are gimmes. >> exactly. walked it back a little bit, but then he'll come right back and say i still think all states should have really good standards. so i've said to every single person that i can think of, don't you think this is risky? and they come back to me with the exact same line that they had in december. we have to lose the primary. >> to win the general. which, of course you can't do. >> only if you metaphorically lose it. i admire what they're doing in a funny way. >> well right. jennifer also makes the point -- and you saw it a little bit in
the sound that we played at the beginning of the show. jeb bush i think is more affable and spontaneous and engaging on the callmpaign trail than a lot of other people. >> and he was a hugely popular governor in florida and i think that's made him cocky here. people say oh no you're not going to be able to sell this. but his view is i did sell it. in way, it's similar to chris christie who says look at my massive track record. >> but when jeb bush left office, he had a 67% approval rating. >> so jeb bush has an even better reason to take that position and to say well, okay you're criticizing my approach but my approach has worked in the past. on the other hand, the past was quite a while ago. that last election he won was in 2002, so who knows if that formula that worked as republican in florida in 2002 can work in a national primary environment that i think has gotten significantly more politically polarized than it was last time. >> "the new york times" did a sort of informal poll of former bush advisers and peter baker reports that a sampling
conducted largely by e-mail of 120 people who worked for george w. bush found about 25 who said they were supporting his younger brother jeb. 50 were neutral or supporting someone else and the rest didn't respond. is that a good thing or is that a bad thing? >> that should be a badge of honor, i think. >> for some people maybe it is. it's not a great bellwether for him among his own party, is it? >> he's always had this problem with his brother. of distancing himself, but remaining close. touting the family ties. saming to some extent i'm not this guy on policy. we're not going to pursue the same thing. i think the reality comes back to what you're saying. that he dates from a pre-tea party republican party. and whether he's really grasped the change that's taken place isn't really certain. it's very unclear i think whether he realizes how different the landscape is now than when he was in office. >> steve, i want to talk about scott walker because we played from sound from him before. he is constantly mentioned as a threat to jeb along with marco
rubio. what did you make of his performance this afternoon and how did the room receive it? >> a couple things about scott walker. i think it was very well received. i wouldn't call it a raucous reception or anything. this really is scott walker's crowd. this is a crowd filled with business executives. this is a very corporate crowd. people who were very responsive to scott walker's message. he was describing his experiences in wisconsin and basically going to battle with unions. the interesting thing about scott walker i think he's compelling in a certain way, but he's not a rah-rah guy. >> yes, that's an understatement. >> but i've seen the politicians who will just put you to sleep. i don't think that walker really puts you to sleep. it's just there's sort of this confidence underneath it all.
the guy doesn't even seem to blink. he just absoshsrbs it all. there's a sort of steadiness there. i think there might be some appeal to some of these voters but he's not going to win them over with fire and brimstone rhetoric. that's for sure. >> marco rubio, who you spent some time talking about in the piece vis-a-vis the threat he poses to jeb bush, you argue that jeb could actually be more potent among hispanics. tell everybody why. >> yeah. >> first of all, democrats like him. i found that fascinating. i said to sergio van nixon, a democrat, i said to him, can't you find, like one spirited democratic critic of bush? and he wrote me back and said got to think about it.
i'm not sure. >> that's impressive. >> the reason that they give when pete wilson went prop 187 was at its most grotesquely popular, bush said this is gratuitous xenophobia. >> he refuses to up and downer to the indignity. >> exactly. other people have said that he actually -- because he takes this personally. >> the little brown ones. >> he's loved by not just cubans in florida, but hispanics generally. >> people forget that marco rubio said no offense to immigrants burke my parents were exiles. >> one of the biggest racial divides you see is this question asked fairly often, which is do you prefer a larger government providing more services or a
smaller government providing fewer services. blacks and hispanics are more likely to say larger government providing more services. a vision of conservativism isn't about talking points. >> jeb bush is definitely conservative fiscally and a lot of different areas. don't malign an ethnic category in the united states. >> that's what's fascinating. isaac lee said to me, while i agree with you completely, he said actually immigration matters in some ways at least rhetorically more than those things. because you're saying otherwise, my sister can get electrocuted it's fine. when he said that, i thought, okay. >> the whole heart thing. it matters. steve kornacki thank you as
always for that update. we have to take a break. when we come back he sat in an empty house chamber over the memorial day recess to ensure the patriot act would not be extended. the congressman joins me after the break to talk about the future of government surveillance. plus caitlyn jenner just smashed a record once held by president obama. the corruption into fifa moves mountains. all of that is coming up. ♪ ♪ time upon a once people approached problems the way same. always start at the starting. and questions the same asking. but that only resulted in improvements small.
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two days after the nsa's phone collection program expired, the u.s. senate is voting right now to curb government surveillance. senators are voting on final passage of the usa freedom act, which ends the bulk collection of phone data and requires the nsa to obtain a warrant each time it wants to access those records. mitch mcconnell tried to water down the bill with amendments all of which failed to get enough votes. if passed, the bill will head to president obama's desk where he is expected to sign it into law. joining me now is republican congressman from michigan's third district a man who quite literally kept watch to make sure congress did not extend the patriot act last week. i know it is a busy day on the hill there. are you surprised that senator mcconnell's amendments all failed? >> i'm not surprised. we've come a long way in two years. a couple years ago, people couldn't imagine blocking the
patriot act, and today you have a majority of congress who believe that the patriot act needs to go away. we've got disagreements about whether the freedom act is a viable solution to our concerns, and i'm one of the people who thinks we need to do more and we need to do better. but we've come a long way and there's been a big change in congress. >> were you dismayed at some of the things that were said by party elders including john mccain and mitch mcconnell, accuseing certain senators of fundraising, or even more seriously, making the country more dangerous? >> well that kind of thing happens in congress and everyone who know ss senator paul and two others people know that we are here and we're sincerely doing our job, and if the public likes what we're doing, so be it. the fact that there are senators on the wrong side of history who
are opposing privacy protections, imposing the constitution that's to their own peril. >> one of the more remarkable aspects of this is the bipartisan nature of it. i guess i wonder do you think this moment opens the door to future bipartisan collaboration on issues independent of national security? >> i think so. i work with a lot of democrats on a daily basis, so did a lot of my colleagues on the republican side who were newer to the body. there's been a shift in the thinking based on i think a generational difference. we came here to work together on behalf of all the people. and if we're fighting together for liberty, it shouldn't matter whether you're a republican or democrat. so there will be changes. >> i know that you kept watch while everyone else was on vacation to make sure that nothing passed. did you speak to boehner about
it and what was that like for you? >> a few people asked our leadership team whether they would do anything. we heard that they would not. however, we've seen things pass by unanimous consent with nobody here. in fact, that happened just recently two weeks ago where something was passed by unanimous consent with nobody in the chamber. so we felt with an issue this important, we needed to be here to protect the chamber, to protect the rights of americans, and i was here on a regular basis and i had a few colleagues on the republican aend the democratic side who stayed behind to help the cause. >> was speaker boehner annoyed that you sat in the chamber? >> i don't know, i haven't talked to him about it. i got a sense that the majority leader was a little bit upset about it. he was joking around about it. but look had to do what we had to do. this is too important an issue. the constitution is too important. i'll the what i can to protect the rights of the people. >> and it looks like you may have done it. congressman, thanks for your time. >> thanks so much.
>> joining us now is national security reporter for the guardian spencer akerman. you've been following this diligently and thoroughly. the vote lacks like it's going to pass. do you think this is the tip of the iceberg on the question of national security and the surveillance state? >> so, a couple things. one, after this bill whatever happens to it a coalition that includes justin amash and a bunch of others democrats and republicans in the house, have a plan for the next two years to roll back other government surveillance powers. the civil libertarians in the house and also in the senate who believe this bill doesn't do enough to protect privacy had thought really long and hard about what they're going to do next. they got a bunch of things to do. >> so this is -- they've been working on this issue for -- i mean, amash has been working on this for two years. rand paul has been vociferously debating it. you think there are further reforms down the pike. >> they are definitely going to try further reforms.
they're going to try to make sure the nsa doesn't undermine encryption. they're going to try to make sure the nsa and fbi can't warrantlessly search through their troves of calls for americans identifying information. they're going to try when another important surveillance power expires in 2017 to do the same thing that they just did with the patriot act. >> so are we beginning to see the erosion of the security blanket that's been in place since 9/11? >> it is and it isn't. it's very historic. it's the first time since 9/11 that congress has actually voted to roll back surveillance in any real way. i mean there have been some other moves. but this is -- to end the bulk collection program, that's a big step. on the other hand, to call this a reform bill when all of that material is still available -- >> right. and the phone companies. >> the phone companies hold it now. it can be gotten through a court procedure that shouldn't be referred to as a court procedure. >> right.
>> because it's completely secret. >> this is the first time since 1978 that congress has taken -- >> post watergate. >> yeah. this is an enormous thing. you saw the politics came out in full force. senators have been saying get it. you're going to die, your grandmother's going to die, everyone you care about is beginning to die. >> richard said maybe we should have had this debate in secret if only so we don't give the terrorists a road map. i mean isn't the whole point -- i mean the best part of this is that we're having the debate out in the open. >> yeah and i think people weren't buying those lines in the way that people bought them in 2002. you have this debate in the republican primary over whose fault isis is. they were republican candidates for president. even sidestepping the idea that barack obama was the person who was at fault, which you might
see in a republican presidential debate. so you saw this sort of stupid conversation but it doesn't seem to have driven the vote outcome. >> do you think that this is an issue for the 2016 election? obviously it's going to be something that rand paul talks about. but to what degree do you think you'll see a difference of opinion between the republican nominee and the democratic nominee, assuming the republican nominee isn't rand paul? >> if it's not rand paul, who knows? if it is this is beginning to be a major tremendous issue. hillary clinton has shown no desire at all to roll back any element of the surveillance state at all. just anything to change the broader course of u.s. foreign policy. if she is left to her own devices, same thing. the important thing that isn't going away this is two years after edward snowden disclosed this program. none of this would be happening at all had edward snowden not essentially made an enormous personal sacrifice. >> and i keep bringing that up
with various senates who come on this show. and we're not there yet, it sounds like among our elected representatives. he's still being referred to as eric snowden. that edward snowden played a really important part in starting this debate. >> they continue to demonize him on the floor of the senate. mccain was calling out the unlawful acts of edward snowden. and this would all still be going on and all still be a secret if it hadn't been for the enormous personal sacrifice he made. >> edward snowden made a wide variety of disclosures. including not just this program and what we were doing to spy on the russians at the g20 summit. while the government was keeping too many secret and doing things it wasn't supposed to be doing, the correct system is not for some person in the apparatus. other disclosures in there were not good for the country. i don't think it gives him blanket absolution. >> i don't think anybody's saying blanket absolution but there should be some acknowledgement that what he did
was actually important in starting a massive national debate. >> i don't think anybody has pointed to anything he revealed that caused a serious problem where they had been able to say this disclosure really threatened national security. >> i've talked to them on stories repeatedly, and they will give that blanket scare mongering. when you try to pin them down on anything, they're unable to do so. >> and barack obama and the nsa and the people who work on this administration fear mongered on this program. they fear mongered on it before we published it in the guardian thanks to edward snowden nearly two years ago today. ever since people were saying that if the nsa doesn't collect, everyone in this room and everyone around the country's phone records someone is going to die. and that didn't work. >> what's interesting is it's not just the media covering at this point. is congress actually acting to craft change around something
that we thought previously was the third rail of american politics, national security. >> it went up for re-authorization. i want to say it got something like 72 votes in the senate. this would have been a foregone conclusion. it would have passed again and again and again without any substantial change had it not been for edward snowden. edward snowden is the reason period this has happened. >> it is always good to see you. thank you for your time. josh, stay in that seat. we'll have more after the break. and ladders... awwwwwww!!!!! they have all those warnings on them. might as well say, "you're going to die, jeff". you hired someone to clean the gutters? not just someone. someone from angie's list. but we're not members. we don't have to be to use their new snapfix feature. angie's list helped me find a highly rated service provider to do the work at a fair price. come see what the new angie's list can do for you. your pet... could you love him any more? probably not. but now you can give them even more
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it's official. moments ago in a 67-32 vote, the anne hathaway pass senate passed the act which requires the nsa to obtain a warrant. the bill will go to president obama's desk for his signature. moving on elsewhere in the known universe, these are the stories dominating this tuesday afternoon. rush limbaugh has accused john kerry of trying to be a hipster after kerry break his leg in the midst of iran nuclear negotiations. is it fair to blame hook-up apps like tinder and grinder for our nationwide uptick in stds? and what does it say about society when caitlyn jenner topples president obama in the
great twitter race? but first, does tsa stand for totally sleeping at work? that would technically be tsw, but the sentiment would be right. a 95% failure right when it came to check point screeners detecting mock explosives. >> at one point an alarm sounded, but even during a patdown, the screening officer failed to find a fake explosive taped to an undercover agent's back. >> they failed to find a fake explosive taped to an agent's back. this from an agency with a $7 billion budget. the report led to the swift reassignment of acting tsa chief melvin caraway. joining us nationwide is kevin avery. i really hope john oliver makes a tsa the focus of next week's show. >> first, i would just like to thank melvin for letting me get
all of my shampoos. >> right! >> i want my yogurt back. my bottomled water. and some facial creams that were a little bit expensive. >> mine have been sliding right through. thank you. >> are you surprised by this? >> well, now i get it. i just feel like melvin's going to land on his feet. >> he's been reassigned to another position within the tsa. that's the ultimate land on your feet. not getting fired. >> the head of tsa is named melvin. i just feel like his cousin hooked him up with the job. >> come on that's not fair. >> i feel like he's going to be all right. >> i just wonder if we are to draw -- we just passed the usa freedom act. talked about revisiting our national security apparatus. maybe we should start with a tsa that couldn't find a fake explosive taped to an agent's back. >> there's this team within the tsa whose job is to come up with these things. like if we were terrorists, how
would we try to sneak the bombs in? it seems i'm just glad to know that the red team apparently is smarter than the actual terrorist. they've managed to do this. but we were talking in the break, when was the last time there was an actual incident on a plane that was a terrorist incident. the shoe bomber -- >> well, but also the fbi and the cia are theoretically the sort of main line defense, the tsa is the last line of defense. and not apparently a very good one at that. i'm sorry, i don't care what color the team is. but if you can't find an explosive taped to someone's back. the humpty dumpty strategy of terrorism seems to be fairly flawed. >> what was the classic "saturday night live" routine with the guy -- was it chevy chase or jim belushi walking through the airport security with a wheelbarrow of cocaine. >> they did that. >> we're going to use that to move on. first there was the "vanity
fair" cover. and then there was this. yesterday, caitlyn jenner broke a twitter world record previously held by president barack obama racking up one million followers faster than anyone else in the twitterverse. okay, so on some level, that seems bad. the president of the united states should be the person with the most followers in the shortest amount of time. but it also makes sense. caitlyn jenner is a lot more interesting and new to twitter. >> i just think it's cool. i like the idea that this is sort of the button to her story. this shouldn't be a big deal. this should be a normal thing. i think the great part about it is that through this caitlyn jenner has reminded us that remember, i'm faster than all of you. >> broke iron man's record.
>> right. robert downey jr. previously was the record holder. what i think is interesting too is if you go just by -- so just arguing with myself as i frequently do. one assumes that the people who have the most twitter followers is the most interesting. win three times, now need to invest more in rnd and provide incentives. what's a katy perry tweet? today i ate tacos on a beach by myself with no phone. today was perfect. which is the more interesting tweet? >> obama's. sorry. i'm perverse that way. >> maybe regulatory incentives. >> who has more followers? >> i think katy perry. katy perry. >> a lot of people like tacos. >> eating them on the beach by themselves. >> i think this demonstrates something important about the caitlyn jenner story, which is
that a few months ago when this was starting a lot of people were apprehensive like oh no a lot of america's instruction to transstory is going to be kardashian. is that a good thing or not? one way is that kardashians are people who can do really well with intense publicity and can deal with all of america watching them. so i think caitlyn jenner is actually unusually well-positioned to deal with the spotlight here. and you're seeing that. how do you beat president obama's record there. who's better at social media than the kardashians. >> yeah. they own the media al at this particular moment. john kerry underwent surgery this morning at mass general hospital to help set a broken leg while broken over the weekend while biking in france. some people, and by some people i mean rush limbaugh have been less than sympathetic regarding kerry's injury. >> what is a 70-year-old man
secretary of state doing riding a bicycle? why is somebody riding a bicycle while in the midst of sensitive negotiations? he's doing that for the photo op trying to look hip with the young generation that thinks life is all about exercise and fitness. >> you know who is not trying to look hip with the young generation? do we have the photo of rush limbaugh? he is not trying to show everybody that exercise is the future. that's not even the photo we wanted to use. but does he have a point? should you really be biking in the middle of sensitive nuclear negotiations? >> i mean who knew? who knows when you get on the bike, this is going to be the one. >> true. 71 is not too old to be riding a bike. it's probably too old to be crashing a bike. >> shouldn't have he perfected the bike riding part? >> if john kerry wanted to look
like a hipster, he would have been on a fixed gear. >> that is true. just blame it on the hipster. >> fedora helmet. >> what would he say to that lady who was 92 years old who completed the marathon. >> she's trying to look hip for the young age. i just like how rush makes it an indictment. like young liberals and their exercise. >> showing them that broccoli and health are what survival is all about. not chomping on a stogey. i won't even go there. i will say i am a little bit concerned about the future of the iran nuclear negotiations given the fact that he can't take what he used to with the iranian foreign minister. no one else? >> i like the idea of a fedora helmet, kevin. that's why it's always good to have you here. that is it. josh baro and jennifer senior.
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fifa president sepp blatter announced just hours ago that he would resign amid a mounting corruption scandal and just days after he was re-elected to a fifth term. his decision to step down after 17 years comes as "the new york times" reports blatter himself is now the focus of a federal corruption investigation. several top fifa officials were arrested by swiss police last week under orders from the u.s. justice department led by attorney general loretta lynch, the doj handed down a 47-count indictment alleging widespread corruption. blatter's decision was made one day after his top deputy was linked to $10 million in wire transfers believed to be bribes linked to bids to host the world cup. joining me now, the great joe scarborough. >> hey, thank you so much! >> thank you, joe for being on the show. i mean my mouth hung agape when i saw the news that sepp blatter was resigning. what was your reaction? >> the same thing. my son was in my office and we let out whoops and we're very
excited. but that was being duplicated across the world. i look at loretta lynch and i can say i'm a republican that loves loretta lynch. there are a lot of french men and women that love loretta lynch. people that haven't had much use for the united states over the past few years. i'm serious. that are saying today, oh, my gosh, they finally did something meaningful if our lives. forget all the foreign aid. as you know if you travel around countries shut down. not only in europe and latin america and south america and asia across the world, they shut down for these national events. for years, everybody knew it was rigged, it was fixed. i think the final straw was the awarding of the world cup to qatar in 2022. bill clinton and eric holder were there. and everybody, not just bill clinton and eric holder but
everybody across the planet said wait a second it's 120 degrees in the summer. they've never qualified for the world cup. >> how did this happen? >> everybody knew there had been massive payoffs. you said he's universally scorned. vladimir putin likes him. >> he's also pretty universally scorned. >> he's in trouble, too because everybody knew that 18 was rigged. >> how did we do this? we were talking before this segment began. do you think one of the reasons the u.s. was able to basically bring down the upper echelons of fifa is because we haven't been seen as contenders on the soccer stage? >> i think a couple of trend lines were coming together. the first was we aren't good enough to win the world cup yet. but there was a growing interest. we didn't have that great fear that say brazil would have or england would have or another country whose national identity
rises or falls with the world cup. and they threatened sanctions. so you had that part of it where we really didn't fear we were banned from fifa. the second part of it, is fact in 2010 and 2014 more people in america watch the world cup final than watched the world series. when you start realizing that -- after '14, i started thinking wait a second, we've got to be one of the biggest advertising markets for the world cup now. they can't keep pushing us aside for qatar. >> they can't keep putting baby in a corner. >> nobody puts baby in a corner when baby has billions of dollars to spend on your event. >> do you think this prompts the revisitation of awarding the cup to qatar? >> no question about it. 2008 2018 in russia, we're going to find out there was corruption
there. probably very ugly. but the world cup has never gone to eastern europe before. eastern europe deserves a world cup. if putin for some reason it's found that he has rigged it, i'd like to see it in kiev. give it to ukraine. i still call it the ukraine. i'm an old man. let's give it to poland. belarus. >> anything to stoke the ire. >> but i do think it needs to go to an eastern european country. a lot of great eastern european countries. but qatar should not have it. they've never qualified. totally corrupt. >> and the human right. >> they're building their stadiums with slave labor. people are getting killed. there's just absolutely no reason why they should have it. >>. >> who do you like to replace sepp blatter? no one will be able to replace sepp blatter. >> he's like dr. evil.
>> i want roger bennett, actually. >> that would be a gift to the art of this part of soccer. >> i think we need to give it to roger. i don't know his name, but i like the prince -- >> prince ali bin hussein. he had the guts to stand up against blatter when nobody else would. right now the frenchman is the favorite. >> it's great to have the stars of the sport. >> i know. it is always good to see you. >> it's great to be here. this is a momentous day. >> it is a happy day for football fans. be sure to catch "morning joe" weekdays at 6:00 a.m. eastern. as i know you do right here on msnbc. thanks, joe. three spreadsheets later you finally bring home the one.
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clive and bundy is talking about slavery again. bundy is the rancher who got in a standoff with the government over grazing his cattle on federal land. he is also the guy who wondered out loud whether black people would be better off as slaves than on government assistance. one year later, this is what bundy said in an interview this week. >> talking about slavery, there's something about -- you know, the slavery thing. and you know that's been over for hundreds -- a couple hundred years, really. but are these people really being enslaved to be in these government subsidy homes and housing and receiving welfare. i mean is that a sense of slavery when you get caught up in that? you can't get out of it for generations. >> independent of that bundy remains controversial for still
owing the federal government $1.2 million for grazing cattle on federal land for two decades. if he's going to wonder some more about government dependency, perhaps he better start in his own backyard. that's it for "now." "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work! tonight, surveillance showdown. >> we are living in a dangerous time. >> the best way to make sure america is protected is for the senate to pass the usa freedom bill. >> we also have to maintain our constitutional rights and the rights of privacy. plus trade secrets. >> the negotiations have been secret. >> wikileaks is raising a $100,000 reward for the missing chapters on america's most wanted secrets. the transpacific partnership. later, tsa failures. >> tsa screeners failing 95% of the time. >> even during a patdown, the screen officer failed to find a fake explosive