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side lights on. no matter what do not approach these extremely dangerous and desperate convicts. this is a densely wooded area. the woods are full of camps fully stocked with clothing and food. so there's no telling how prepared these killers might be. also we're learning more about the woman who allegedly helped in the plans. they say prison tailor joyce mitchell was going to be the getaway driver. but on the day of the escape she apparently decided she could not go through with it instead checking herself into the hospital complaining of a panic attack. nbc's john yang is just south of the police perimeter in upstate new york. what can you see from your vantage point? >> reporter: we're at the eastern edge of this perimeter. the main focus of this search is maybe three miles up this road. this is the road that leads to
the main highway in and out of that town. there was a tip last night that sent investigates into that area and then last night, with a search dog picked up a scent of one or perhaps both of the escapees. we don't know which. they secure the area because they can't do an effective search at dark and went in this morning at about 6:00 when they had daylight. the search has been going on ever since. they've got about 500 people on the ground helicopters in the air, dogs on the ground fixed wing aircraft in the air. so far, we haven't heard anything about what they've found, what they haven't found. they're taking a long time they say, because it is heavily wooded. it's taking a while to make sure that they thoroughly check this area to see if they can find anybody in here. we just saw a little bit ago some lights from the department
of the transportation like they put up around construction areas at night on the highways suggests they're preparing for a long night ahead. >> very unettlesettling there. let's bring in msnbc analyst he worked as a hostage negotiator. and former fbi profiler. thank you both for being here. clint, we'll start with you. sources familiar with the investigation told nbc news that joyce mitchell was going to be the getaway driver here. she got cold feet did not end up showing up. does this tell you they didn't have a plan b? are they now desperate? >> well, i bet they would have had a plan b. these were two terrible manipulative sociopathic individuals. especially matt the older of the two. he's the one we believe kind of lulled this woman into this
fantasy relationship. i think their plan two would have been we're going to have to hoof it on foot. matt probably believed in his manipulative skills so much that he was surprised when they popped out of that manhole kind of like a whack a mole and the car wasn't there and they realized instead of hoofing it to mexico, they had to hoof it on foot out to the woods. >> jim, another new piece of information we have coming in is that late yesterday a bloothound picked up the scent of one or both of these men in this area where they're now searching. how reliable are bloodhounds? how much can we rely on this piece of evidence? >> i've had it both ways with bloodhounds. search for days and hours on scents and turn up nothing. other times, they take you right to the people. they're most effective in a heavily wooded area.
it looks like these men might have been bedded down there. if it stay z as a wooded area, they can be pretty good. i agree with clint, this guy is a master sociopath, a master ma liplator. what he can manipulate is people. that's his criminal skill. what he cannot manipulate is the environment, the mountains, the sun, the thirst the hunger fatigue. so what they're after at this point is food, car, guns and money. that's what they got to get. so the situation that the commanders are in now is you're going to catch them pretty quickly if they're in there, you know in the next few days if they're in there. or you're going to have a very serious violent crime occur where they're trying to get what they need now. they needed a ride when they came out of the manhole cover.
but their needs changed. and now they need food car, guns and money and they'll kill to get it. >> clint, the longest previous escape from a new york prison only lasted three days. these guys have destroyed that record. in the past decade freedom lasted less than six hours for 60% of the 30 mn who were able to break out of prison. so this situation is a huge outliar for police and the convicts. perhaps they have help from a private citizen that would allow them to stay out far longer? >> well, you've got two different levels of help. who in addition to this woman who was wooed by one of the two, who in addition to her, who was giving these guys power tools and hacksaws and realized they were going hundreds of feet in the bowels of this prison. where did they get an extension
cord that long that runs all the way through under there. there's many, many questions who helped them on the inside. now the flip is who helped them on the outside. we know from media reports that allegedly the female employee let at least one of these individuals use her cell phone to make calls. who did they call? were they calling some backup level of support, something else. and why did she get involved? you know it is a slippery slope. can you do me a favor, can i go to the restroom can i be gone an extra half an hour today, can i use your phone, i want to call somebody who's near and dear to me and i can't make a call for another week. these guys just as jim suggests are such sociopaths they take their time. it's the old frog in a pot theory where they gradually bring her along and bring her along and create this fantasy-like relationship for her when all of a sudden she was
supposed to pick them up and she probably said to herself, what am i doing, and this is not going to work. that's when she checked herself into a hospital and these guys checked themselves on foot heading out to the woods. >> so jim, built on clint's point there. there's a lot we don't know about this woman. there's the theory of the case that she was both accomplice and victim. that she according to authorities may have broke the law in trying to help these very dangerous convicted killers escape, but also perhaps was in some way a victim of two intimidating individuals. we don't have all the facts. how do the rules work though for folks trying to understand how a prison official would end up in any kind of arrangement, engagement relationship with an inmate? >> right. she's going to need an attorney as good as you. and i would expect the da is
going to charge her. and you know then her attorney will argue those points with the judge, that she was manipulated by the sociopath. that may all be true but she's still criminally culpable. if she did assist them. if she did and she's charged, the judge can take that into consideration. the main thing here this book is not over -- the last chapter's not written. these guys could break into a house and kill a whole family. then if you look at how important it is that she could have aided or any other person could have aided them in their escape. they could get a gun and kill a trooper. these guys are an extremely violent crime right now looking for a place to happen. that's how you got to picture them. and the commanders need to be thinking -- i think they are. they've got the teams in place thinking just like matt and sweat are thinking. what do they need what do they
want where are they trying to go. matt will kill sweat to get an hour ahead. that's how nasty and tough these guys are. so everybody really is smart upstate new york and vermont to be paying attention to law enforcement, watching the news don't take any chances. if they're in that confined area don't be caught or they're going to try to do a vicious carjacking, hostage taking to get the things they need. >> clint aside from the bloodhounds and candy wrappers joyce mitchell is really the best thing they have at this point. talk to us about the questions they would be asking her to try to figure this out. >> number one, we would be relatively gentle with her. but it would be the so-called come to jesus time. we would say look lady here's
the situation, your husband could be involved your family could be involved you could do 25 to life for doing this. so we'd like you to help us. if they hurt somebody you're going to be charged with anything they do. so i would suggest that she is probably very willing. the flip side of that is that matt and sweat probably didn't give her a whole lot of information about what they really wanted to do. you know, who knows. when they popped out of that manhole, got that car, they could have killed her or dumped her body and took the car and kept on going. matt is that type of an individual. he's one of the more brutal people i think that jim and i have heard about who's been locked up on the inside. we've got 14 1/2 hours of daylight every day that helps law enforcement look for these guys. and when it gets night, it gets cold, maybe it gets rainy. you've got mosquitos, tics. all of nature that these guys
have to live in. that quiet drone you hear overhead is going to be atf, fbi and perhaps the marshall service looking for a heat signal. meanwhile, the troops on the ground have got night vision goggles because we rule the night in a situation like this, the bad guys don't. there are 500 law enforcement officers trying to close this steel ring around these two guys and apprehend them before one of the terrible things that jim suggested could happen actually did happen. >> it is such an unsettling situation. thank you both for your expertise. we appreciate it. >> you got it. up next a virginia teen pleads guilty of helping another join isis. what we learned in court today about his ties to terror. plus why are so many young people being drawn to violent extremism. and deadly asteroids careening toward earth. scientists finally agree it's
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support for isil and that included directing people how to use bitcoin and how to use it anonymous anonymously. he also engaged in recruitment of people to try to get them to go to syria to fight with isil. between june of 2014 and february of 2015 he gained over 4,000 followers on twitter and sent over 7,000 tweets. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams has been following this story since the suspect was first arrested in march. a lot here. we know the material support law can be used against all kinds of activity for terrorism. walk us through why this is unusual to see teenagers in federal court, the social media here and trip to syria. >> it's the teenager in federal court that's the most unusual. the social media, we're seeing
more and more people using it and using facebook or twitter to help. what they say is that the 17-year-old high school student in suburban washington d.c., in virginia from his home, using his computer was able to make contact with people overseas who wanted to go to syria and helped a friend of his, an 18-year-old originally from iran help that person join up with them and turkey and go to syria. so both sides say this young man was very promising, very bright. but got off the rails here. the defense lawyer says he originally wanted to oppose the assad government in syria but got seduced by the isis propaganda and helped recruit and get this 18-year-old over to syria where as far as the government knows he still is. >> thank you for reporting on this. today's announcement came with a
warning from the fbi for parents everywhere. >> you got to stay involved. you got to stay engaged with your kids. you got to be aware of their activity online. the sorts of sites they're looking at. the people they're interacting with. >> as for diplomacy, the state department is launching a program this summer a competition between students to work on ways to counter this isis social media juggernaut. essentially developing a counter strategy to tweet away terrorists to some degree. as our own pete williams was just referencing, we have seen the social media component repeatedly in these local prosecutions. walk us through what you wrote about and the international dynamic as well. >> well, the state department -- and i should point out it was my colleague who wrote the story, but i edited it. the state department handed out awards to students all over the
world. the winning team was from missouri. they put together an online program that tried to deprevent people in 90 countries from joining isis. they looked for ways to bring in people disaffected all over the world or present a positive image of islam to other teens in other parts of the world. also, there's an ongoing conference in australia right now of government leaders, of muslim leaders and i believe facebook and yahoo are both there as well. maybe it's facebook and google. they are looking at ways to reach out to disaffected young people and urge them to not get online, to not try to join these twitter wars or online jihadi propaganda missions. >> the key takeaway is giving young kids a purpose, a meaning
in life and giving them positive messages every day. as we read more about the reasons why young people are joining isis a lot of times it has to do with being a teenager and feeling like you're alone. why is it so sexy? what is this appeal about extremism and isis that these young kids latch onto? >> well, a part of it is power. so the young man who pleaded guilty today in virginia went under the twitter handle of amrikawitness. he was engaged with frequent twitter wars. he got so much attention from a government -- a legitimate government entity and it fed into this sense of power as it does for i think many people who get online and fight these jihad wars from their desks or from basements or places that are thousands of miles away from the battle field. >> so the program you wrote about in your article in foreign
policy, very interesting. not your program, something that you wrote about. i sort of take a little bit of issue with the state department had college kids come in and propose what they would do online to help combat the success isis has had. this is an appeal that a preaching to the choir. as long as we have a sliver of folks who feel unheard and outgunned, then they will take to this tactic to level the playing field and feel justified in their minds. so the appeals we're scripting with the state department really doesn't address the idea of the sliver of people who will always be responsive to that message. >> actually it does because these programs were going after the exact people you're talking about, the people who feel they are not part of the mainstream who feel lonely. they were targeted in this state
department program by peers. that's what the point was to make this so powerful. it wasn't a grownup coming to the younger people saying you must do this or the islamic state is bad or jihad is bad. they were peers saying the exact same thing. in many case they were muslims. it happened to be the winning team from missouri. but people from kuwait, serbia across the mideast were engaged in these campaigns to go after people their own age and say this is not a representative viewpoint of islam and we should not be engaged in this. >> what did the missouri team do that seemed to work so well? >> they reached out to young people in 90 countries. which, i think the state department found quite impactful. they -- they were able to get feedback, they were able to have conversations with people in 90 countries. i think the state department probably feels that that's more than even the american
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definitely going to happen at some point. we're talking in geological time here, not in nano seconds or in tv time. we're talking like tens of thousands of millions of years. the dinosaurs were rendered extinct by a large rock smashing into the earth off the coast of mexico. probably caused -- the dust clouds caused a nuclear winter that lasted forever. that's the kind of thing that happens very infrequently. what happens more frequently are these smaller objects and the planetary defenders, as they call themselves, this group of engineers and physicists and astronomers working to map these objects. they say the smaller objects between a hundred to 400 feet in diameter. sometimes they use metaphors like bus-sized or as big as the
white house, these types of things actually are more worry some. they hit us between every -- once every hundred to once every 300 years. and one hit russia in 2013. a thousand people were sent to the hospital. >> wow. >> it blew up in the air with the force of a nuclear bomb and the great thing about the russians is they drive around with dash cams. >> right. >> so anybody can watch this right now. you can go to youtube and put in "dash cam assist trod". >> there it is. no need to go to youtube. >> you can see it there. >> you can hear the music in the background is the russian radio. >> yeah, i know -- look we're looking at it. it's very real. you mentioned asteroids taking out the dinosaurs. they're majestic animals.
>> you can also bring them back. >> it's jurassic"jurassic world" -- >> it comes out this weekend. >> he thinks it's a documentary, don't tell him. >> you talk about the size of the asteroids being so key and you quote nasa saying about a thousand are of a wirt that would be potentially civilization ending. you say larger than half a mile in diameter. why is that the size that then becomes such a big problem? >> well, the physics of it i guess. the smaller ones blow up in the air and a thousand people go to the hospital. a large one hits the ground, a mile-wide one, and you've got -- you know it changes everything. you'll have tsunamis that cover half the planet. the worst ones happen early in geological time where chunks of what they think was a mars and venus-sized objects hit the earth and literally the seas
boiled. all life -- >> completely sold that this is a major problem. what do we do -- >> forget isis. >> let's start thinking about this. >> how do we defend against this? >> the only reason we're talking about this is they've begun to map them. they've got telescopes that in -- that are placed in space that are mapping and they're -- that's why they know that all of these -- the thousand that are as large as the epoc ending one we've just discussed, they know where most of those are and they're not on an orbit with earth right now. they need more telescopes to track them. and then if they see one large enough to cause something like that coming in, they have the technology apparently to do something about it. >> like shoot lasers at it and break it apart in. >> the last-ditch effort are what the movies are about. that's shooting nukes at them. if they see one coming at us and
don't have time -- there are three things they can do. nuke them. use a gravity tractor which is a very technological thing we don't have time to explain. and send something to push it off of its orbit. a kinetic impack tore they call it. >> we have to do one of these things. >> we got to figure -- >> we should call nasa and have them come on and explain. >> you do it extremely well in the article which i recommend everybody read. thank you so much. next up is funny good enough or does political correctness stop the laughter? the comedy that no longer passes for what it is.
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case in point, jerry seinfeld who announced he will no longer do comedy on college campuses because of the pc police. when you add race into the mix, it gets even more complicated. that doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it. especially a veteran comedian like colin quinn. >> why can't we talk about race? why do people get so defensive? >> it's insane. at this point, you could see somebody walking down the street, he's got a blue sweater and brown pants and a black jacket. what color was he? i don't see color. i wrote that one today. it's funnier than what it got. >> his new book "the coloring book" actually solves race relations in america. why couldn't you have written this 400 years ago. he writes quote, the races are
like america's children. white people were the first born so they were dad's favorite. asians are the youngest and get good marks in school but basically are trying to keep their heads down and not get involved. neither i nor msnbc necessarily agrees with any of that. he'll soon be starring in a play based on this book. it was be at the cherry lane theater starting july 9th. it's directedly jerry seinfeld. this that bit where i read from the book -- >> why did they leave out the latinos. >> i wanted to get to talking to you. >> i get it. >> who is the dad in that? god or the -- >> manifest destiny. no i'm just kidding. >> manifest destiny jokes always
kill. >> i don't know. i think that is like the -- the idea of the country. maybe the founding fathers, how about that? >> so you've written a book that tries to deal with race in america. what is the core of the solution to dealing with the problem between blacks and whites? >> well, i think the core of the solution would be to have -- i know this sounds like a joke but i'm dead serious. you had a weekly show. but the climate today, you'd have to make it -- people would have to literally be where you couldn't see them in shadows and give honest appraisals of what their problems are every week. do it like a tv show maybe a couple times a week. >> but the hosts are always secret. >> the hosts could be people that are respected -- >> guest hosts -- >> robin thicke.
i don't know who it would be now. >> in your book -- [ laughter ] >> you say a lot of things that i think many people say in private to people they trust. their family close friend but they would never actually say publicly. that seems to be some of the problem when we try to talk about race. everyone asks why would you write a book about race. the point is i want to talk about it and it shouldn't be a national crisis if i do. this is the quietest conversation i've ever been in. hello, is anyone here? we talk about race a lot on this show. what is everyone getting wrong about it? >> not that anybody's getting anything wrong. i feel like if there's still a problem we're not breaking through. it's either people in the spoke generic polite terms because they don't want to lose their job. there's nothing in between. >> we've been hearing a lot of jerry seinfeld about the pc
police. >> on the line what? >> how he doesn't want to go -- college campuses -- >> is there a specific -- so you don't think college campuses have changed in particular? >> they've been bad for 20 years like that. >> when you say bad, is there a particular joke that you would say that was attacked -- >> it's words. if you say a certain word. i mean like -- this is not just college campus. this is the whole country. if i said to somebody,est say a mexican friend of mine, did you see that mexican guy. somebody goes no, i didn't see a mexican guy, i saw a human being. did you see a man that could have been mexican. no i don't care. a human being, a person. obviously this is coming from a place of entitlement fear of the other, i'd like to say this is a teachable moment for me. >> is it a bad thing to try to be more respectful of people --
>> yes. >> to what you're saying i don't appreciate when folks say they are color blind because being black is part of who i am. you're taking away something that is critical to who i am. >> exactly. i feel like we've gone too far. people are trying to accommodate and placate and there's something paty troe niezing about it. >> issues are a little bit different than pretending we're color blind. >> right. think about privilege and still say, he's black or you know, you're whatever, irish. i'm saying thinking about -- >> i'm just curious if there was an incident in particular that you thought people were over the line in criticizing a comedian or a public figure or -- >> it's all -- >> have you ever gotten yourself in trouble for saying something to something else came across
disrespectful? >> i feel like people ignore me in certain way. they shun me like, oh, ignore that guy. >> you got a quote in the book about brooklyn. back in the day in someone asked where you from and you said brooklyn. now it's a smirk and really? >> you do -- >> that's basically what it is. >> yes it is. >> how are those gluten-free scones? . i've had yours they're amazing. >> all i'm saying is this i just feel that obviously there's racial tension. whatever sincerity techniques people are using is not working yet. right? nobody feels like they're breaking through. in the meantime throw my two cents in a little humor before i leave the planet. >> you do a great job in this book. thank you for doing it. >> best of luck with the book
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it's a lot like those athletes some of us come from different backgrounds, we endure some hardships growing up you know families as well. and this is a support group that helps young women kind of fight through those adverse situations. give them the tools to succeed. >> which gives them the gifts. >> sheets and towels for you girls. rolling suitcases, post-its notebooks, everyone's going home with a laptop. >> laptops and $500 to help with tuition and books and dorm needs and school supplies. even fashionable accessories to send the girls to school in style with the support of private donors and sponsors. >> i love the toolbox. i've always wanted a toolbox.
>> oh, my god. >> not only the children they help the parents, i'm grateful for girls ink. i'm grateful for everybody here. >> the feeling is mutual. >> it's inspiring to come to work and do that every day. to see a big step to which families are willing to go. because they believe their daughters deserve college. >> i was the first person in my family to go to college. to come back to my community in oakland and help girls growing up in oakland and dealing with a lot of the struggles, the poverty, the violence and to see how willing they are to work hard to make their dreams come true is truly inspiring. >> one generation of girls modelling success for the next. >> i'm going into college with confidence that was developed over the five years of girls inc. >> be sure to tune in next friday, when we take the show on
the road to oakland. for that special growing hope town hall coverage. 3:00 p.m. eastern noon pacific. next friday right here in the cycle, we'll be right back. song: rachel platten "fight song" ♪ two million, four hundred thirty-four thousand three hundred eleven people in this city. and only one me. ♪ i'll take those odds. ♪ be unstoppable. the all-new 2015 ford edge. do you want to know how hard it can be to breathe with copd? it can feel like this. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my airways for a full 24 hours. spiriva helps me breathe easier.
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by now you've probably heard of the pending u.s./asia trade deal. if you're like most people you're probably saying what does that even stand for? and if you do know what it stands for, you're still trying to wrap your head around what it means for us. unfortunately, today, whenever we debate the big issues facing
this country, we only talk about them in extremes. you bring up trade at dinner with friends, you'll hear it's just like the other free trade deals, it ships jobs overseas. if we don't pass this trade deal china will have all the power and we will be left in the dust. are they talking about the same deal? if we were to look at this rationally, i know rational talk is boring it doesn't make the headlines. the reality is these extremes are misleading. if we don't pass the tpp, china will not declare world domination. if it doesn't pass we won't lose our jobs. here's the skinny. the tpp stands for the trans pacific parter inship it's a trade and foreign investment agreement between 12 nations.
this deal would be one of the largest trade agreements ever in u.s. history. what congress is debating now is the tpa, which would set the guardrails for the president to negotiate a final deal congress will only be able to approve the deal through an up or down vote without making any changes. don't blame me for that matter it's the best i can do. the politics and trust me on this they're interesting, the gop controlled senate already passed the bill it's now sitting in the house and the biggest challenge for the administration isn't republicans, it's convincing a few in their own party to get on board. white house press secretary josh ernest explained, the president is continuing to involve himself in conversations with members of the house of representatives, making the case why they should support this bill. the president trying to get the
bill done. republicans have been a big part of the issues the last few years, seven years into his presidency he has so little leverage even with the members of his own party, this should be a wakeup call to whoever our next president is. if you want to get anything done, have you to work with congress. it isn't easy like anything in life, the key is developing relationships, trust and not demonize the other side. it's a long term game, but in the end that's what it takes to be effective. that's what this country is aching for. that does it for "the cycle." "now with alex wagner" starts right now. there's a major development in the search for two convicts who broke out of jail. and emotional testimony in the trial of james holmes.
mitt romney is hosting the 2016 republican field. jeb bush's time as governor is coming back to haunt him, even while he's in poland. >> mitt romney is hosting several 2016 gop candidates over the weekend. >> jeb bush is it not there. ♪ >> more tough headlines for jeb bush. >> obviously, it's something he'll have to deal with head on. >> i don't think another bush can get elected. i think there's bush fatigue. >> just to be clear here we don't have an organization for candidate for president until the candidate announces. >> there is trouble in paradise. >> he may not be running for president yet -- well no he already did. mitt romney is rustling up his own gop