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of the individual who is carried out these enhanced interrogation techniques during the bush administration, none have been investigated or prosecuted. that is all for now. the ed show is up next. good evening americans and welcome to the ed show live from new york. let's get to work. >> tonight, the donald is in. >> i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. i tell you that. >> ed schultz came out and said you were a great candidate with your experience in business. >> i appreciate what he said. and he happens to be right. plus speaking out. >> i did feel at some point i would need to address the complexity of my identity. >> are you a con artist? >> i don't think so. and commitment issues. >> she called the t.p.p. she said it was going to be the gold standard for trade agreements. she owned this to some degree
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and now she has to try and navigate through it. >> i think secretary clinton has not made her position clear. thanks for watching folks. well, after two decades of thinking about it talking about it. he's finally going to do it. donald trump wants to be president of the united states. he wants to move forward. he says he can get the job done. the unvarnished new politician has done one thing on day one. he's made a very boring republican field very entertaining. so earlier i walked up to 5th avenue, to trump tower for donald trump's presidential announcement. okay it is showtime. i had the opportunity to bring donald trump into the ed show corporate boardroom and ask him a few questions. welcome to the boardroom. we're excited to have you here. this time you have done it and i think it is going to be a great addition to the field.
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here we go with a few questions we have. first i want to tell you that i thought your daughter was very impressive and gave a fabulous introduction. you have got to be proud and i know you are. we've had a big discussion about jobs in this country. and your party the republicans have not done much if anything at all to create jobs in working with this administration. you have also said that you think the unemployment rate is much higher than what is being published. as high as 18-21%. so how do i know that you are going to be able to create jobs? >> i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. i tell you that. i'll bring back you are jobs and china, from mexico from japan, from so many places. i'll bring back our jobs. and i'll bring back our money. >> interesting. you are that confident. no other candidate is. and no other candidate has spoken like that. now let's talk about trade.
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this is something that has really cost our economy a tremendous amount of jobs. we have lost 60,000 manufacturing jobs in this country over the last 20 years. can you handle trade? what would you do? >> totally against the trade bill. for a number of reasons. number one, the people negotiating it don't have a clue. our president doesn't have a clue. he's a bad negotiator. i'm a free trader. but the problem with free trade is you need really talented people to negotiate for you. if you don't have talented people, if you don't have great leadership, if you don't have people that know business free trade is terrible. free trade can be wonderful if you have smart people. but we have people that are stupid. >> china, you do a lot of business with china. in fact the chinese ought to love you. you just sold them a $15 million hotel. i can understand how you might
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like somebody that has a deal like that. but it's been unfair trade. it's been a serious imbalance. how would you deal with the chinese as opposed to past presidents. >> i like china. i sell apartment -- i just sold an apartment for $15 million to somebody from china. am i supposed to dislike them? i own a big chunk of the bank of america building in 1290 avenue of the americas. that i got from china in a war. very valuable. i love china. the biggest bank in the world is from china. do you know where their united states headquarters is located? in this building. in trump tower. i love china. people say oh you don't like china. no i love them. but their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. it is like take the new england patriots and tom brady and have them play your high school football team. that is the difference between china's leaders and our leaders.
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>> there is one thing mr. trump that crosses political lines as far as republican democrat independent. unlike your brothers in the field who are seeking the same position that you are, you have a very different view on social security. and i want to hear it. what would you do with social security. >> we got social security that is going to be destroyed if somebody like me doesn't bring money into the country. all these other people want to cut the hell out of it. i'm not going to cut it at all. i'm going to bring money in and we're going save it. >> very interesting. you are going to have a hard time to get republicans to go along with you on that. i know they want to prooiftize it but you don't. very solid. now let's talk about the mideast. you have been commenting on the mideast for years. what would you do with iraq? >> and i will tell you this. and i said it very strongly.
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years ago. i said don't hit iraq because you are going to totally destabilize the mideast. we spent 2 trillion dollars in iraq. 2 trillion. we lost thousands of lives. thousands. in iraq. we have wounded soldier, who i love. i love. they are great. and we have nothing. we can't even go there. >> what do you think about your competition? your competition is out there. you are one of the last guys to jump into this thing. and you certainly sound a lot different. what do you think of your competition? >> i can tell you some of the candidates, they went in. they didn't know the air conditioner didn't work. they sweated like dogs. they didn't know the room was
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too big because they didn't have anybody there. how are they going to be beat isis? i don't think it is going to happen. >> mr. trump, there are a lot of americans out there who are concerned about who is financing our elections. the billionaires. you are in that club. what are you going to do? how are you going to fund your campaign? are you looking for donations. >> i don't need anybody's money. that's nice. i'm using my own money. i'm really rich. i'll show you that next time. and by the way, i'm not even saying that in a brag -- that's the kind of mind set. that is the kind of thinking you need for this country. >> interesting. you can't be bought. now, what about obamacare. the rest of the field has said they are going to gut o bomb care -- obamacare.
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but you are the only one whose come out and said you are going to offer something better than the others. and your resume is far beyond and unparalleled to anything the other candidates have ever done. your resume is more than impressive. your business experience is impressive. your aggressiveness is impressive. so we'll see where it goes. as a republican i would say you're hired. >> donald trump. he is in. it is only going to get better from here. now let's get to the facts. i challenge any republican candidate for president to tell us that you have created more jobs than donald trump, that you have signed more checks that you have taken more business risks and you have done more business deals -- at any level. you haven't. what trump is going to do is he is going to force the republicans to explain how they are going to create jobs.
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he will they won't. and oh by the way, he has. that is what makes him interesting. he changes the conversation. and he is a media magnet. how do you keep him out of the debates? you don't. because if you do he'll cytereate his own. tonight's question:as a candidate, is donald trump for real? cast your vote and we'll bring you the results later in the show. here we go. i think the field's been boring to this point. you have a rich guy whose a brazen straight talker who jonathan seems to have no political calculation whatsoever. he just says it. what's this do to the field, if anything? >> first of all ed, i'mic looing
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ing -- looking for your trump button. that was the biggest south paw interview i've ever seen. but look this guy, to call him a loose cannon is an insult to cannons. he is just going to be firing indiscriminately from now until the republican convention and maybe beyond. so more than a year of donald trump we have in store for us now. republicans might hope he is going to go away but he won't. he will get in those debates. they have clear thresholds of support in the polls. and although he is not very high in the polls right now he is unkweblun unquestionably going to go up considerably in the polls. he is going to be a factor all the way. he will talk in sound bites. they will get picked up on all the news coverage of those debates. he will overshadow the main act.
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he is a side show who threatens to swallow the republican party. >> what about that matt? how do you view it? i think jonathan is very astute in the way he brakes this down. the dynamics of the race changed because he is going to change the conversation by what he says. what do you think? >> look his voice and his perspective in politics is unique. you know he is iconoclastic. and i'm very happy he's taking this perspective in the republican primary process. i'm glad he wants to be associated with the runl can party. by the way there are a lot of people out there in america who are frustrated as he is. don't believe america is as great as it could be. don't believe the economy is as strong as it should be. that we're not a manufacturing base as we should be. and he speaks to a lot of americans and what he's telling those americans is your home is better in the republican party. and she he is going to scrape it
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out and make the stage and make it interesting. what is so wrong with with our politics being interesting? i have trouble with that? >> look, this is just my opinion. most wealthy people think politicians are crooks anyway. and there is a level of frustration out there, i'm broad brushing, with wealthy americans that think there's got to be something better even though they have got it really good. i think that trump comes into this with as i said no political calculation. and i think he is going to have to force a reaction from the rest of the field. jonathan, do they take him seriously? does the rest of the field view him as something as a force to be reckoned with? >> well, they are in a tough position. kind of like when ross perot ran
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in 72. they didn't really know how to deal with hill. hoefs running as an independent. and by the way the trump gets enough support in the republican primaries but doesn't win the nomination, which he is not going to do don't rule out him staying in and continuing to run for president after the nominating conventions. he speaks to a lot of people. it is not just billionaires who are his constituents. if you watch the way, you know, his ratings have gone who watches his shows, he speaks to a lot of blue collar frustration in the united states. >> that's right. >> now i happen to peoplethink that the people listening to him have not thought deeply about the issues. because he says a lot of stuff that just ain't trud. for instance, we don't have any trade deals with china. we've never had any trade deals with china. much of what he says that comes out of his mouth is completely ridiculous. but i'm not sure that is going to stop him from getting votes.
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>> the point is we have ship jobs to china. >> -- global. >> that what he's speaking to -- >> i think what we're missing here is his constituency is not billionaires. my guess is the billionaires and conservatives and the republicans don't line up behind him. he's speaking to americans just looking for good jobs. >> i want to see trump and the rest of republicans go to lorena ohio and the rest who have given notices because they are given fur lows because their jobs are going to be completely outsourced. you have to admit this is a slice of the pie that republicans have not done a very good job with. and if they can get those workers thinking hey this guy offers something different then it could be a pob for folks. >> i think the american people are going to listen to republican candidates and hear
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what they have to say. it is also about the fact that are we competitive with the rest of the world? our tax rates, our regulatory state makes us non competitive with the rest of the world and that is a big problem. when we talk about issues with the climate change and making energy prices higher in the country, it is driving jobs overseas and it is a huge mistake. america has to get real. if we want to compete with countries all over the world we need competitive tax structures regulatory structures and energy prices. >> but trump says we're getting beaten by mexico. that is just preposterous. there is the level of the demagoguery here which is okay as long as he's not bending part of the political process. but what happened today seemed to suggest he's moving from being a source of humor into something a little more worrisome worrisome. >> you saw it here. i hired him as a candidate. i think he's ready to go.
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the numbers are coming in. tonight's question: as a candidate, is donald trump for real? 43% say yes. the majority 57%, no. not for real. keep voting throughout the hour at pulse.msnbc.com/ed.
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>> they're not sending you. they're sending people that have lots of problems. and they are bringing those problems with us. they are bringing drugs. they are bringing crime. they are rapists. and some i assume are good people. but it's coming from more than mexico. it's coming from all over south and latin america. and it is coming probably -- probably from the mideast. but we don't know. because we have no protection. and we have no competence. we don't know what's happening. and it's got to stop. and it's got to stop fast.
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i would build a great wall. and nobody builds walls better than me. believe me. and i'll build them very inexpensively. i will build a great, great wall on our southern border. and i will have mexico pay for that wall. mark my words. i will immediately terminate president obama's illegal executive order on immigration. immediately. >> for me let me bring in henry fernandez, sr. fellow for the center of american progress. your reaction to what you just heard. first of all the wall. >> i don't know how to respond to that. let me take a shot though. i think there is real question about whether or not he would build a wall very cheaply. he did his announcement at trump tower. he was sued at trump tower for employing 200 people undocumented from poland i believe. so he has a track record here
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which is somewhat suspect. beyond that i think we've already -- we know that a wall is not going to stop people from coming here. good policy does. and we've seen that more recently. >> mr. fernandez, your reaction to his depiction of people who come to this country. >> wow. i just have to say wow. i mean talking about mexicans and people of mexicanntionxican decent as rapists, criminals. el paso, texas, and san diego, california california both are border cities. as the complete myth. and frankly a disturbing myth that immigrants bring crime. quite the opposite is true. when we look at cities with large immigrant populations, they tend to be the safest in
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america. >> do you think the republicans need to distance themselves from that comment? >> i think anyone who seriously wants to be president of this country cannot be talking about a large block of the population of this country as rapists and criminals. >> that is disgusting and completely inappropriate. and i would hope that politicians of all stripes quickly come out to disown those comments. >> and your reaction to his comment saying that he would eliminate all of the executive orders that have been signed by this president on immigration? >> i think he's also flipping and flopping on this issue. because in the past he's been both bad on immigration and good on immigration. and particularly he's said in the past to young immigrants that he thought there was a place here for them. the president's executive action. president obama's executive action has made a huge difference in the lives of hundreds of thousands of young people. young people who have graduated from high school.
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trying to go to college. is he going to send those people home? that is disturbing. i don't know where that's coming from. >> is any gop candidate to this point solid on immigration that the latino community would accept and rally around? >> i think we're actually going to see a real debate on the republican side with regard to immigration immigration. i i think it will be very interesting. distinctions between bush rubio, scott walker. i'm talking about candidates who are likely able to win. these folks are in different places. jeb bush having a history of progression. scott walker having a similar history but recently having backed off the history. and marco rubio similarly having kind of flip-flopped going against his own bill in the senate. >> hillary clinton let's go to the other side has she been impressive on immigration?
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do you think she's on solid ground? sh. >> i thought the speech she gave in nevada was rock solid. something i think all americans can appreciate. it is certainly where polling says americans are. supportive of the comprehensive immigration reform. she says she would go further on obama's actions. i think that is refreshing. i think would be interesting for a lot of voters. latino and asian. even republican voters tend to be supportive of a pathway to citizenship. >> what do you think trump does to the republican field? >> well he certainly threw out onto the floor some of the ugliest statements we've heard about immigrants in a long time. i think it will start to draw lines. i thought we would have to wait until september for the candidates to push each other around immigration.
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donald trump threw dirt on the floor and we'll see if other candidates are willing to sweep it up. >> thanks so much. still to come. rachel dolezal speaks out. the day after stepping down from the naacp. a rapid response panel joins me for a conversation on racial yat identity. and the trade fight continues in congress. updating the negotiations ahead and what took place today. that's what pushes us to deliver smarter simpler faster sleeker earlier fresher harder farther quicker and yeah even on sundays. what's next? we'll show you. audible safety beeping
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>> great. >> are you black? >> yes. >> what does it mean when you say that? what does it mean to you to assume the mantle the identity of blackness? >> it means several things. first of all it means that i have really gone there with the experience in terms of being a mother of two black sons and really owning what it -- what it means to experience and live black, blackness. >> we'll unpack that and a whole lot more in our next segment in our rapid response panel reacting up next. >> i'm kate rogers with your market wrap. stocks gained ground ahead of tomorrow's fed decision. the dow climbs t s&p adds 11 and the nasdaq up 25. permits for future construction surged 11.8% to the best levels
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and we are back on the ed show. rachel dolezal broke oreher silence today. she says she identifies as black. her biological parents say she is of white european decent. she sat for an interview with melissa harris-perry. >> from a young age felt a i don't know if it was a spiritual, visceral just very
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instinctual connection with, you know, black is beautiful. just the black experience and wanting to celebrate that. and i didn't know how to articulate that as a young child. >> dolezal does not align her identity with her biology. >> certainly that was shut down. i was socially conditioned to not own that and to be limited to whatever biological identity was thrust upon me and narrated to me. >> and joining us tonight for the discussion dr. jeff gardeer. and also selena maxwell. and michael eric duncan. i want reaction from all of you without really a question. just your reaction to what you just heard and what you have seen in heard in the interview. >> well i've gone from being sort of joking about the story
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to being very serious and a little bit upset about the story. what i was looking for in her interview was an acknowledgment that her experience even if she does identify as a black woman, where biologically like you said she is not. her experience is not my experience. and so she has access to an array of privileges that i do not. so tomorrow i couldn't put on a blond wig and blue eyes and say i'm white and i live as a white person because i identify that way. and that is a function of her white privilege. her being white. >> doctor? >> what disturbed me is as a psychologist i don't judge. but a question was asked would you do this different? is there anything you would go back and change. and she said no. the reality is hey it is okay for you do identify or even over identify in this case with african american culture.
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but at the same time if someone asks you, are you black? and you say yes i am black biologically. or you check off the box that you are black. what you are doing is introducing a lie into the situation. and then when you do that now you must build a reality around that lie. and that is where you are on that slippery slope. >> i have to ask you. she's living a lie. that would be the clinical analysis here? >> let's look at the flipside of this. there have been light skinned african americans who have passed. they have done it for financial reasons, in order to escape being persecuted and so on. and but don'twe don't give them much of a hard time about it. but when we do look from a psychological point of view we do say it is not the healthiest way to do this and how healthy and integrated can you be if you are denying the color or the culture that you come from in order to be fully ensconced in
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another culture. and that is what she says. she says listen i'm not into my european culture at all. and i know this is a big issue for her parents and herself and that's why i think there is a psychological overlay with in situation. >> it is a very difficult situation. on the one hand i have empathy with anybody who makes a choice self consciously to identify with another group of people. especially one not so privileged in this country. we have to acknowledge that. on the other hand there is a over investment it seems to me of her parents of her establishment of the caucasian identity, which may supply the backdrop against which this young lady developed and therefore chose her blackness in interesting ways. and i think they are pointing out what a lie versus a truth is. but the reality is as said today
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in the new yorker is it is a lie about the lie. race is a social construction and then she is lying about the fiction we've all adhered to. the question is how do you talk about the truth of one's identity and how one develops an identity. flip the script. are there black people who for all intents and purposes white? and they may be culturally eviscerated by biologically and physically represent as black. so there is a certain kind of privilege for rachel to move in and out of these communities at will that really underscores the difficulty for black people do the same. >> i want you to listen all of you do how rachel dolezal addressed discrepancies in stories she's told about her past. here it is. >> some has been a little bit of creative non fiction with regards to what happened and the sequence of events and dates and so forth. >> doctor does this weaken her
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credibility when discussing what shaped her identity? >> and this is where i think it really hurts her. it would have been one thing to say this is what i identify with. this is what i believe i am. but when you start going now into a realm that is certainly fictional in this particular case now you have to build one lie after another in order to protect the first lie. and it begins to form a layer of lies. so we're seeing there are so many, you know, inconsistencies in a story. so it is hard to believe how genuine she really feels even though i feel that she is genuine -- really believes that she is african american. >> all right. go ahead, doctor. >> is there a difference between a lie and a mask? i know both are representations of truths that are being somehow submerged. but today is the birthday of tupac shakur. one of the greatest rappers
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ever. he presented as a certain figure in public. and in private he knew a range of literatures he wasn't able to present as a quote thug in his public persona. so all of us represent masks. the creative non fiction element she talked about that makes us uncomfortable, many people do the same thing. the question is how do we distinguish between a lie and mask and how do we talk about self representations when it comes to race? >> elena. >> i think just think you don't lie. saying that you are biologically black when that is not true when we can see your parents and look at the dan and say these are your two european ancestors who are your parents. that is one thing. but i also want to point out one thick. one of the things that bothers me most about this story is the fact that black women are deemed invisible in so many circumstances.
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just last week talking about the fact that black women are brutalized in the same way black men are. and that story has basically been supplanted by this woman. so i think the privilege she is using to take up all of this space as we talk about black women, we are talking about her and not what it's like to experience being a black woman. >> in some ways we fed into that the media. i wouldn't point fingers at her just for that. and your point has good credibility. but i would say again, the psychological overlay of this, this is a woman who said in the interview today on the today show my being african american and i'm paraphrasing is about my journey -- which i understand -- but also my survival. so as a psychologist, when i hear about survival it tells me that something traumatic happened to you as the child, regarding your upbringing, and we're starting to see the cracks in the story with her parents,
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with her family around those issues. >> the question begs it goes to her upbringing does it not? >> or i think that there is something there -- >> parents have a hand in this don't they. >> the way the parents are handling it now. and i'm -- >> no -- [ inaudible ] >> and there is some real dysfunction there. and i because of that i wonder if being african american i don't know. i've never examined her, is more about a defense or coping mechanism. a lot of questions. very complex as reverend dyson said. >> i just still think that if she actually is saying i am an ally to the movement i am someone who cares very much about the plight of african american women. then i think there needs to be acknowledgment of the privilege she literally embodied because he can literally go into a white space and say i'm white or claim
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blackness in her skin. >> in her mind i think she's a black woman. >> and it's okay for her in her mind to be a black woman but don't take it further and say biologically by checking off the boxes i am. because now we go from something that is a reality in her mind to something that becomes delusional when it comes to fact and biology. >> all right. great to have all of you with us tonight. thanks so much. still to come hillary clinton takes a page from nancy pelosi on trade. and the cardinals could be caught stealing off the field. details coming up. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue
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finally tonight on "the ed show," the trade fight in the house of representatives will continue for six more weeks. they worked on it again today. house leaders voted 236-189 on a procedure to extend the deadline for a second vote until july 30th. congressional republican leaders have been trying to resurrect trade legislation by saying that they're willing to work with the president. >> bipartisan majority in the house passed trade promotion authority. free trade is good for jobs good for the economy and we're committed to getting it done as soon as possible. the president and i had several conversations yesterday in trying to find a way the move ahead. >> key player to the democrats is house minority leader nancy pelosi. she was largely responsible for
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helping defeat trade adjustment assistance on friday. which, of course the republicans have never like. hillary clinton seems to agree with pelosi. she said pelosi's name twice on sunday. she's not taken a firm position on trade promotion authority, the authority of the president. here's what she told reporters on monday in new hampshire. >> i've said from the beginning the tpa is a process issue. the issue for me is what's in the deal? and i think now there's an opportunity for the president and his team to reach out and meet with the people who have said on the floor, like nancy pelosi did, that we need a better deal not i'm against it no matter what's in it or as many did, i'm for it no matter what's in it. i will wait and see what the deal is and then i will tell you what thingk about it. >> lori wallach joins us
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tonight. the deal your thoughts on hillary clinton's positioning herself on this? is this about the deal or about the authority? >> well i think that they're hard to separate. so if you don't like the tpp, which would make it easier to offshore jobs and push down our wages, then you can't be very keen for fasttrack authority because the whole purpose of that is to grease the skids for enactment of the tpp. >> what is this extension to the end of july accomplish? does it darken the door of those who don't want the tpp? >> well this whole fight has been a situation where in the face of the public polling shows a majority of democrats, republicans and independents opposing fasttrack, the folks in congress and the corporate coalition in the white house have resorted to a bunch of unbelievably byzantine gimmicks
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and the most recent one basically was this business of splitting up the vote into three pieces which you know they got hung by their own petard. that went down. this newest gimmick is basically for the first time in the history of the house of representatives to take a counterresolution, which is kind of putting a vote you don't like the results of you can put it basically in the freezer for two days. it's called a motion to reconsider. that's a two-day window to come back and vote. well, it didn't get any better in two days. congress democrats and republicans alike, are still saying no thank you. what they did today is they did, unprecedented, a deal to have this two-day resolution stretched all the way to july 30th so they can keep the option open. but ed i would predict the thing that's more likely to happen and what folks should be working on their members of congress, they may just come back to the house without the worker adjustment assistance that was attached to it. and so particularly, if you are
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in one of those districts of those 28 democratic house members who voted yes on fasttrack or if you're in the districts of one of those 150 plus who voted yes, you got to get to the members that was a bad idea when you did it the first time here is your moment to reverse. >> that's a great point. holding those votes on the second time around the pressure's still going to be there. a lot of people will be vocal towards those democrats who voted, there were 28 of them. the president got his votes. but the bottom line is i think they were loyal to him giving him fasttrack, knowing he wouldn't have the authority because of the adjustment assistance. >> exactly. >> was that used as a political tool to give them some wiggle room. but now this narrows it down. >> yes. >> if it's into one vote that means that there's going to be a whole bunch of republicans who are going to go along with helping out displaced workers and they don't have a history of doing that. >> but they're not going to vote
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on the displaced workers. what they want to do next is just the fasttrack. so here's the deal. for all those members of congress who voted on the fast fasttrack, the 28 democrats who voted yes, the 189 republicans who voted yes, when they voted yes on friday they already knew that vote was not going to send fasttrack to the president's desk because the first vote which failed had already tanked it. so this is our chance to go back to them and say, hey, this isn't the do-over, this is the real vote. >> yeah. >> if you are for my job, vote no. >> so you're banking on some of those 28 reversing course? >> and/or some of the 189 republicans. because a bunch of them are very conservative members who told their constituents they wouldn't do this blank check authority, and then it didn't matter any more. like an advisory vote. so if they voted yes after they had basically brought down the bill it could not have so much heat on them. >> the fear here is that all of
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this minutia could get lost in a long hot summer. that's the danger in all of this. >> no on fasttrack is what we have to tell our members of congress over and over. >> lori, good to hear from you tonight. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> tonight on "politics nation,"" breaking her silence. rachel dolezal says she identifies as black, but does that excuse her deception? a cable news exclusive interview. also he's in for real. donald trump finally enters the presidential race and is already causing headaches for the gop. plus the first lady makes a big splash across the pond in london. welcome to "politics nation." tonight we start

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