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is here on set. i have to say i am confused the flag is a controversy. i am sure it will work itself out, willie right? >> i think it's definitely started to work itself out. >> whoever is still sitting silent about it. >> there aren't many back t.rnc the two republican senators from south carolina the republican governor all stood together yesterday. so it's a small group. >> hello, senator mccain is here. senator don mccain. >> nice jacket, man. very sharp. >> tie and everything. >> what about pete rose? >> pete. well, there's that. >> i bet he doesn't get into the hall of fame, though do you think? >> but he hiss. >> whatever you want. >> we're not on yet. >> sure. let's meet pete rose. in 2004, you know pet rose came clean. he bet on baseball while he was a manager. but for nearly 30 years, major leak baseball all time hits
leader insisted he never bet as a player. i never bet against my own team. now espn's outside the lines say it's obtained documents that shows rose did, in fact bet on games he played in although fought against his own team. documents are pages from a notebook seized by a former associate, a sketchy guys, under court order seal show rose bet on the cincinnati reds during the '86 season again showed no reason he bet against them. he was banned in 1989. not a big surprise to a lot of people. this was out there. now a document to prove it. >> the elements outside theline lines had specific evidence. of course we just showed it. the evidence they compiled was very similar the to the evidence, 20 25 years agoing he's a dejen rat gambleer and
bet on everything. >> he meant to entertain. >> are you kidding me? >> a dejen rat gambleer. of course he bet. >> do you think he did? >> absolutely. if he didn't do a cashout bid. the book that he was using, at the end of the day, when he didn't bet. >> you are saying great greatest hitter of all time. >> will you vote for him to get into the hall? >> not after this, i don't think he should get into the mall. >> >> if you bet on morality. >> nobody proved he influenced. he bet on his team to win.
>> do you believe that? >> you haven't been around a lot of gambleer, have you? >> i haven't. but i do think the guy gets over 4,000 hits. he's an extraordinary hitter of our time. you have ted williams pete rose ty cobb. >> anything he will do he will admit he lied. if he's in the hole $50,000 to a a, his team is drunk the fight before before. >> i watched them play against pete rose fought pete rose hank aaron, doesn't hank aaron get greater with age?
hank aaron is the home run king. the guy had an amazing batting average. a man of great character. >> consider the circumstances under which he was doing all that with death threats on him every day because he was chasing babe ruth's record. he was playing with some serious pressure. >> plus he played for my atlanta braves. >> there is also very important. >> lost over 100 games a year. rocket era. already. >> you already to go now? >> let's go to atlanta up to south carolina. >> that would be great. i have news now worth talking about. i love rc. we begin this morning. we start now in south carolina the governor has taken a historic step, calling for the removal of the confederate flag flanked by an unlikely scene of supporters including
congressman jim clyburn and rfc chair governor nikki haley explains why the flag's time has come. >> whether for good or bad whether on a statehouse grounds or if a museum the flag will always be a part of the soil of south carolina but this is a moment we can say that flag while an integral part of our past does not represent the future of our great state. >> so what remains to be scene e seen is whether the political will a headcount from the post and courier suggests a boom chambers want it to come down. in the senate. more than half declined to respond how they would vote. some observers note it took the death of nine african-american sids in a church to finally force action. >> i hate that it happened on the eve of this tragedy. i hate that the tragedy is what actually made this happen. the governor we ae plaud her
efforts. we know it wouldn't happen without her. we applaud these conservatives and the to see clang and now they see it as something they want to change it down. when you see rex prevus there. it gives you an indication that they were tired of candidates dancing around nine people killed over this hateful symbol and whether it ought to come down. >> south carolina is not the only state seeking change t. house speaker in mississippi is pushing for removal of a confederate emblem on the state flag. wal-mart says it is removing all items promoting the confederate flag. good for them t. first lady and vice president will all travel to charleston for the funeral of discriminate store clemente pinckney. how do you feel about this? >> yeah. i mean this is the people outside the south don't understand. this is a big deal.
it's obviously a very big deal in south carolina. it would have been a much bigger deal 20 years ago when this wasn't seen universally as a symbol of hatred but what is seen certainly among most white south earners as defiance in many ways a against the north. we obsess over southeastern football because we haven't come, dealt with the fact that we lost the war. never forget. will you have a debate. you heard on twitter last night people stating the extraordinarily insightful width of the civil war, that doesn't mean 100 years later i can't be proud of the south and stick it to yankees as we always grew up calling them by putting a confederate flag up in our room
or whatever. it changed over the years when it became universally seen by the overwarming majority of americans as a symbol of hatred. 20 years later, it's time to take it down. i have been saying it and i was surprised, but very happy yesterday that these compligs politician there is south carolina took the step they did >> ilt amazing how fast this happened not the overall movement in decades, but among republicans inside south carolina, which unfortunately, tragically, these murders are a catalyst for it. all the way down the line from the government to the for, everybody falk if line for that, remarkable for republicans if south carolina to do it. there was a crush of statements in the wake of announcements from republicans across the country. senator john mccain tweeted his support. if 2000, he apologized for not being more candid for taking down the flag. he told the time i feared f
that if i answered honestly, i could not win the south carolina primary. i broke my promise to always tell the truth. governor scott walker tweeted a statement of truth t. day before he said it was up to the state. sources said he wanted to calm for the flag's removal but waited at governor nikki haley's question. jeb bush in florida similarly praised haley for doing the right thing. kevin carson wrote about dylanen roof, some did a dance over the obvious. quote not everything is about race in this country, but when it is about race. then it just s. let's call this sickness what stoz we can get on with the healing. senator rand paul reached out directly to african-americans, senator paul acknowledged a gaffe recently after the death of freddie moore in baltimore. i came on the train. i'm glad the train didn't stop.
one other person is mitt romney who got up early and numbered a lot of the 2016 candidates to move in this direction. >> it was great. there is a great example how mitt romney still is going to have an impact on this race and this party. >> from a good way. >> he was praised for it. i remember seeing it saturday. he retweeted it and wrote something myself and, boom everybody started if soon after mitt romney did that. he had real impact in this debate. also, something about south carolina too. there is also an impact on the state lanes e legislators who 20 years ago may have been dragging their feet. by the fact that he hasn't been to south carolina you don't know what a change the state has gone through over the past 20 years, there are so many people that moved n. carole campbell when he brought in bmw, michelin boeing a massive plant from boeing found if
charleston and it is an economic magnet for companies across the world. you go to greenville on friday night and, in fact we were down there for a book event and the mayor was telling us this. go to greenville on a friday night. are you as likely to hear people speaking german as you are here having been hearing english. >> i was shocked. >> it is such a mix. at green victim especially charleston it's extraordinary what's happened to that state. since carole campbell started this economic revolution connecticut, they want an example of how to bring industry into a state ha already had the great quality of life. you can do no better than what south carolina has done. that's had a big impact. >> in addition to that have you the obvious demographic changes that have taken place in this state with the migration of people retirees from the north to south carolina rather than just to florida or just to arizona, a huge and growing population of retirees in south
carolina. >> so you know just to lock at this sort of there is changes happening in lots of different ways, if 2010 governor nikki haley reportedly said the issue with the flag had been resolved to the best of its ability. in 2014 during her re-election bid she panned criticism from her democratic challenger as being last minute election politics. take a look. >> you know the confederate flag is a very sensitive issue. what i can tell you, over the last three yafl years ago i spend a lot of days on the phone to ceos and recruiting jobs to this state. i can honestly say i have not had one conversation with the ceo about the confederate flag. what is important we look at the perception of south carolina matters, that's why we have everybody answering the phones. that's why we are named the friendliest state t. most economic state in getting these great accolades. we fixed all of that when you
introduced the first indian american governor. when we appointed the first african person u.s. senator. >> that sent a huge message. >> it is now also sending a huge message. >> it does. and you know i'm waiting for these holdouts to speak out because yo-yo understand at this time. >> i don't think they have another choice. >> let's go on to politics. >> lindsey graham and -- >> yes. >> senator kevin scott as well the governor and two u.s. senators, that is a powerful powerful message. >> for sure. former secretary of state hillary clinton is expected to talk about race when she travels to missouri today. clinton is cloin joining a community meeting at the church in st. louis, a suburb at the site of last summer's unrest over the police shooting of teenager michael brown. meanwhile, an nbc "wall street journal" poll shows clinton dominated the field. clinton garners 75% of the vote in the new national poll. a poll 60 points ahead of bernie
sanders. 92% of democrats say they can see themselves supporting clinton as the nominee and in a general election matchup, former florida governor jeb bush performs best against clinton. though she leads all three top republicans candidates. anything interesting? >> you put up the head-to-heads. unless they sprinkle with pixie dust hillary clinton pixie dust this is out of line with most of the polls we have seen over the past month or two in hillary's favor. if anybody believes an election today, hillary clinton won by 8 points over jeb, then come on. let's go to london to make some bets. >> you don't think she would? >> no, i know she wouldn't. certainly not by 8 points. >> it doesn't matter. it's early. i'm just saying if hillary runs against jeb. >> that will probably be an all nighter. yes, we can say that 15 months
out. >> no, i think there is a real disconnect between the conversation inside washington and the media echo chamber and america on hillary clinton. they'll just go for her. i'm not saying whether it's right or wrong or whatever. you go out there and you talk to people about hillary clinton. they will vote for her. it's a bit creepy. >> you look at the number inside our poll from the democratic party. you can see why her campaign can see why it will brush it aside. 92% of respondents in the democratic party say i could see myself voting for hillary clinton. bernie sanders has a strong following. still he's at 15% overall while she's at 75%. >> something could happen you know, that is a staggering change. there could be some event or gaffe or whatever but i can't everyone envision what is at this point. >> we just had one last week if charleston, south carolina. she will address race today from
a way she has not addressed race i think in her last campaign or has recently and she on her own clock. again, we talked about this. her campaign is on her own clock. she has no truth to this. >> she can be on her own clock. you know when mike and i talked about how this race is going to be close, there are a lot of things already baked into the cake. you take casualty of the states that mitt romney won. most republicans will say that's a low water mark. you add all those states up doesn'tly, all jeb has to do or marco or whoever wins the nomination, they will win florida, ohio to virginia and then pick up maybe new hampshire, one other state. >> well jeb will win florida, if it's him. chances are good he will take kasich or somebody in ohio. i'm sorry, jeb will win virginia. then you go out west to all the hispanic states the hispanic influence states the republicans
got slaughtered in new mexico will go if jeb win, colorado will go for jeb. nevada will go for jeb. suddenly you got two sides scrambling, so how can we say this, this early on? because we k. hold the tape. save the tape. if it's hillary and jeb and they run great campaigns, we will be up late late late election night. >> it's a jump ball election facility if it's jeb. >> yeah it is. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," we will talk to former governor haley barber who said the confederate flag didn't have anything to do with last week's shooting, more on that damming report about pete rose. >> he looks happy. >> that's his happy moment. >> so many times, barnacle we have pictures of people coming on the show that don't represent their true -- >> that does that is lupica on his birthday. >> okay. later, after winning the
lottery, congress woman elise elise stefanic. the first confirmed lead for the two convicts in upstate new york. we golike live to the center of the search. up next a switch that's happened here. >> what's happening? >> you look nice from top to bottom. gene is wearing jeans with no socks. >> i love gene. >> have you socks on? >> put a little food on your shirt. you got your outfit down usually. first bill kierans with a check on the forecast. bill. >> severe thunderstorms are rolling right now through pennsylvania heading towards d.c. to boston are going to get a line of storms during the day today. yesterday, we had a large wedge tornado that went through northern portions of illinois this was some storm chasers that are on that tornado. there was a power folds bending in the wind there. then the little wider view you can see the actual tornado there
in the background the power blasts and the surges there, the transformers. thankfully, no injury no deaths. 14 tornado reported yesterday. >> that leads us to where we are at now. we are still watching these strong storms roll into pennsylvania. a lot of people in cleveland and erie are waking up as these storms roll through. watch out from binghamton to williamsport and eventually towards scranton. as far as the forecast will go today, notice 47 million people in this orange colored enhanced risk area. that's where the storms will be the strongest. late this afternoon, widespread wind damage and even a tornado or two is possible. most likely location will be areas of central portions of new england. the timing of those storms. we take it from 2:00 p.m. through 4:00 p.m. t. majority of the storms will be at i-95 providence hartford philadelphia and d.c. it looks like your timing is around 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. a. chance of storms later this ornament airports will have
>> right. don't open up anyone else's mic because they're not ready. >> it's seriously is romper room. nothing, hi gene not sure why you -- >> rc cola. >> 24 past the hour. >> my d.c. powders. it's coming on strong. >> can we do morning papers? >> i would like that, country girl. you got your pink in l.a. your mind is on tennessee. i like the shirt. it's a campbell song. a long story. i can remember the days. >> i thought it was more like.
>> let's go to the time too troubling new study -- >> researchers at walk university found the number of obese adults now outnumber those considered overweight. the study shows that women were much more likely to be obese and overweight and ancken americans have the highest obesity rates among -- >> i joke about this i eat hamburgers, at this point it's no joking matter. you can look at the health side of things but gene robinson we're going bankrupt from this country because of medicare and medicaid. medicare and medicaid. those two programs are consuming 100% of all money coming into washington, d.c. it's unstainable. at some point, we are going to have to have i'm sorry, people hate this for crime, but a broken window's approach to health care. >> oh, the government is getting involved? >> how much of that money is preventible conditions that are caused by obeesty or ag gra vatd by obeesty?
there is a lot. >> you have to look at the cause of obesity not being the lack of discipline among the american people but the food we eat. the actual diet that has turned into the american body is not healthy. it's the food that's around us everywhere. >> if you are a conservative and you care about the death, can you no longer draw put up a wall between obesity and the sustainability of our next to be able to make the payments that they make. you can't do it. and we're going to have to be much more aggressive moving forward because we're going bankrupt and. >> and we're dying. >> and americans are getting more and more unhealthy and you take a disease like diabetes something that my family knows. >> there you go. >> a good bit out. that's one of the greatest drivers for health care costs in america. so much of diabetes is at least
for diabetes type ii is caused by a lot of lifestyle choices. >> a lot is preventible. >> so much is preventible. it's costing us so much money. >> a terrible story from the sports world in a lot of papers today. the houston chronicles darryl hamilton went to the world series with the mets if 2000. was discovered dead on sunday after an apparent murder-suicide at his home in houston. investigators say hamilton was shot several times, a woman in the house later identified as 44-year-old monica jordan died of a self inflicted gunshot wound. the two had a 14-month-old child found in the home uninjured. hamilton was an outfielder for five different chains before he retired. he later worked in the commissioner's office and as an analyst for the major league baseball network. darryl hamilton 50 years ago old. >> the "new york times," once worth more than a billion dollars. martha stewart's media empire will be sold. martha stewart living says it's
agreed to be acquired by sequential brands if a deal valued at just over $350 million. not too bad. >> they're so badly a part of her. >> stop it. i love martha. >> we love martha. i'm going to ask her if i can borrow some money. >> i'm first. >> all right. the company has taken a hit in recent years for path legal problems and growing competition. stewart's company says she will remain the chief creative officer and will be a significant stockholder in a publicly trailed company. >> that will buy her out. >> we have loads here. martha is fantastic. >> you have former fed chair, ben bernanke says he is quote appalled by the government's decision to replace alexander hamilton on the $10 bill.
>> you can't do it with a man that set up america's banking system. >> they will bump andy jackson. >> andy jackson, that's my candidate. >> why didn't they think of that in the first place? >> very cool guy. i knew him. >> that's the point bernanke makes. the founder of the monetary -- will have to share his part of the bill with a still unnamed woman. monday bernanke called hamilton the best and most foresighted economic policy makener u.s. history. he says honoring a woman is a fine idea but it shouldn't come as hamilton's expense. a better solution is available, replace andrew jackson, a man of many unforecasted qualities and his bills on central bank jackson would probably be fine with having his image -- >> before everybody kicks andrew jackson around all over the place as everybody has done. he is sort of the first man who
didn't come from like landed in virginia. he wasn't landed in. have a gentry. there is a reason why people talked about jeffersonian democracy. he was at the end with all of his flaws. he was the first person who was the president of the people. >> who was the woman? >> harriet tubman. >> there are so mr. great, great ideas i can't wait. >> rosa parks. >> that's a good one. >> it could be. >> i like it. not under the huckabee administration. >> nikki minaj. >> i'd go for that. >> i actually think, rosa parks. >> that was amazing. >> boy, every time a $20 bill went down. >> right. >> it would be sending a message and kids would ask who is rosa. >> ah. >> where is susan b anthony? i still really don't -- >> harriet tubman would understand.
>> so exciting. >> you take rosa by a nose? >> yeah i think so. >> okay. we have to go coming up the must read opinion pages, why gene robinson says -- why gene robinson says he's an optimist when it comes to america's ongoing challenges surrounding race. keep it right here on "morning joe." woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let's talk about your old 401(k) today.
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>> gene robinson you're on optimist. >> yeah? >> i'm always an optimist. >> you wrote this morning in the washington post how american will only end racism when it stops being racist. explain this. >> ub know we need to actually move. we need to actually take action. one thing is look at these things one the guy if charleston was apparently motivated by certain conservative citizens council or whatever. >> you know there is this poison out there on the internet that other people this is exactly analogous to the sort of jihadist boys in the south. they said of that entire people watch the tsarnaev brothers. we need to take everything
serious. >> talk about your optimism. what are you optimistic about? >> the arm of justice is long. we know the way it bends. it's gotten. that was a bad paraphrase. you can put it more elegantly than i did. i think of how far we've come in my lifetime. i have to believe we will keep moving in that direction. we have to keep pushing. >> what about in your home state over the weekend? especially yesterday, was really pretty extraordinary. i got to say. i disagree with governor nikki haley on many things. i thought she gave a terrific speech yesterday talking about getting rid of the confederate flag. any american woman governor african-american elected senator from south carolina. >> republican. >> i grew up in. republican. jim clyburn. this entire array of essentials
it was a picture that would have been unimaginable when i was a kid. >> none of this could have happened ten years ago. >> none of this could have happened now she's got to get this through the state legislature. i'm confident she will get that back. >> the tone for me was set at that hearing. the victims got to speak to a television monitor and they killed their loved once the grace they showed t. forgiveness t. love. i think that sort of laid out for everyone this is how we will handle this. we will be above this. amazing. >> it was an extraordinary moment. i along with people across the nation, it is remarkable that they could find that in their hearts forgiveness is a wonderful thing.
it's a christian value. i don't think all of us should be so quick to forgive him. i think the families had to do what they needed to do to get past it. society should judge, however, and judge harshly. >> and it will. >> a great piece i want to get to two prominent politicians announced they have been diagnosed with cancer. both are vowing to fight the disease. maryland governor larry rojohogan, the governor choked up a bit. still managed to keep a sense of humor. >> in the midst of this struggle, i was reminded once again of how truly blessed and how truly lucky i am. over the coming months i will be receiving multiple very aggressive chemo therapy
treatments most likely i will lose my hair. i won't have these beautiful grey locks. i may trim down a little bit. but i won't stop working to change maryland for the better. i will be working hard to make the decisions the people elected many eto'o make. >> the senator's second occurrence of cancer he was diamondback nosed with melanoma 40 years ago and beat it. in a video released by his office the senator got personal and like governor hogan kept his sense of humor. >> it's a story we hear again and again early detection saves lives. in this case the story is mine. not once but twice. let's face it. cancer is a scary word to hear. believe me. so it might seem unusual to say this. but today i actually feel pretty
fortunate. the fact is millions of americans brave lid and quietly fight more aggressive cancers than mine every day. in my case the doctors found my cancer early. we have a plan to treat it and a plan for full recovery. i do intend to run for re-election in three years, only my poor little prostate won't be along for ride. >> that's one way of putting it. i like it a lot. especially because more and more men need to become comfortable about early detection as well. still ahead, our next guest says the leaders of u.s. and israel made mistakes. former body michael warren on israeli. we'll be right back with more "morning joe."
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mica where we have an interim agreement and we're much better off just keeping that interim agreement in place for a while and continuing to negotiate. there has been there artificial the administration has felt like they just had to do this deal and i think if we would step away if they are kind if they cross those, i do think we should step away from the table and make sure we end up with a deal that will stand the test of time. we already have so mr. weaknesses in it today. >> that's senate foreign relations committee chairman bob corker of tennessee, yesterday on "morning joe," stressing the fled for any nuclear deal with iran quote any time anywhere inspection and for iran to disclose all of its nuclear weapons activity. joining us now the former israeli ambassador to the united states michael oren the author of the new book "allie." we will take up the book from
just is a second. the deadline is quickly approaching, we are hearing ability extensions of the deadline, a deal has not been reached. it may not be ready by then. where does there all end, do you think? >> i was telling you before the break, if i were a negotiator i wouldn't sign it either. the iranians have learned over the years, longer they wait the better deal they get. back in 2009 folks in walk were saying well the window for diplomacy won't stay opened for jevgs it wasn't a window it was a sort of aperture. they never close. i would have to agree with senator ed corker you say to the iranians we're going to have an interim deal right now but we can ramp up sanctions, know you will not get a nuclear program where you can break out in a year. by the next person in texas, it's a breakout capacity of one
month. >> that may be laughable in terms of the math. for israel that's existential. it's no laughing matter. which is what the book is about. that's why the book came out. >> what's the red line the united states should draw with iran? what's the point where we walk away from the deal? >> from an israeli perspective, it has to be tied not just to the infrastructure whether you dismantle their facilities. right now, none of the facilities get dismantled. sentri centrifuges don't get dismantled. iran is the largest sponsor of state terror. iranians have killed more other than al qaeda and iran is declaring ultimately to destroy my country, kill 8 million of my countrymen. so you would think a nuclear program would should get attached to iranian behavior and in some very fundamental way. >> is there any support?
>> that deal. there has been the alternative binary notion out there the alternative to this deal is more. it's not true the alternative to the deal is a better deal t. better deal is one iran changes its behavior and it has created a situation where it can't break out according to this nuclear expert in a month, in a year. >> i certainly disagree with the falt argument we have this skill or war. but there is an argument that we have this deal or we have isolation. where our allies walk away from us. lift the sanctions and it's us against iran again. >> i don't think america's allies will want to cut off from a $17 trillion economy. the united states of america. >> no we wouldn't cut it off. just to interrupt, the french certainly are much closer to the u.s. position and to the israeli position on this deal, but our other allies with woman we are involved in the talks, in my view, are not going to stick with the sanctions regime and
certainly not with the tougher sanctions regime if in fact the talks fall through so there isn't a one on one negotiation. there is a thrust one versus iran negotiation. those other actors have to be taken into account. >> you have to focus on what iran gains if all the sanctions are lifted. >> maybe partially. ma ib the chinese won't cooperate or the russians they will get very 15 billion. they won't spend it on better roads. they are funding terrorism around the world. they are police it in the murder of 200,000 syrians. they are operating in south america. they will use this. we know they are already embarking on a major upgrade for their terrorist problems sis around the world. that's where this $50 billion has got to go. you got to know this. it has to be coming to a neighborhood near you. believe me it's a serious threat to the united states as
well. >> so the headline we have been teasing and talking about here is the president abandoning israel and a read from your book. from the moment he entered officer, mr. obama promoted an again da of championing a palestinian cause and achieving a nuclear accord with iran t. abandonment of no daylight and no surprises, principles climaxed over the iranian nuclear program. the daylight between the israel and the u.s. could not have been more blinding and forisse reals who repeatedly heard the president pledge that he had their backs and was not bluffing about the military option only to watch him tell an israeli interviewer. between the u.s. and israeli developing under obama's tutelage what role has israel played in this? do you think. >> are they all clean or just obama or what could they have done better?
>> the administration that came into office made a policy decision. >> it is your point of view though. >> i own up to it. fully. >> that is that may made a policy decision. i was there. i saw it happen. the u.s. alliance certainly started in the reagan era was based on two principles, no surprises, no data. if you make a major policy statement on the middle east the united states, israeli gets an ad advanced copy. with eget a chance to look at it. submit our comments. >> if i can say, anybody that watches this show knows if i want a key to the city of tel aviv, i can get that. that is pro israel as can be. >> if they have one. >> but the surprises go both ways. >> the surprises on settlements, what happened last summer when pro israel people like myself watch tv in absolute horror as we saw bombing that did not look directed or focused at military targets. i'm surprised it has gone in both directions. >> the republicans? >> i would keep the military aspect prize separate.
we are involved in a densely populated area. from the enemy, hiding behind the civilian population shooting 5,000 rockets. that's difficult. you are right about the surprises. what i say in the article and made the point was, when israel made surprises, the great example would be joe biden's visit to israel in 2010. they are accompanying him. somebody in the interior ministry announced in east jerusalem they will embarrass the president. the vice president. we apologize. that was a surprise. it was a mistake. the book goes through and details the mistakes that israel made. what i distinguished, an important distinction, mistakes made honestly perhaps sometimes unintelligently and prudently. mistakes made as a matter of policy. that was different. the president said openly that he was going to put daylight between israel and the united states. which means in the past where we had disagreements, with clinton, with bush we tended to try to keep them behind closed doors. these were but out front. >> when naatia huh came here and
addressed congress and dealt with republicans on his own. that was not on purpose? >> that was very much on purpose. i opposed it. i think it came after many years of a policy review. >> quickly back up. so israel believes it should have advanced viewing of a presidential statement of u.s. policy what foreign nation could get that? >> the nation is an allie. it's the fundamental security depends on an american statement, including the nation's survival, depends on the american statement. i think that's a fair request. and understanding for a guy to have. >> the leaders of that state which is a close allie of the united states of america have threatened to obliterate our close allie, time and time again and very public statements. and still, line up with people that say they're going to kill all israelis and drive the coun into the sea. i think you have an asterisk
there. i think a good partner would say, are you comfortable? >> i think americans will be uncomfortable with the idea of any nation i lover is ram, but any nation penciling in its power. >> we will give you a chance to giver our comments. the example i gave of the cairo speech of 2009. keep in mind i come from a very liberal background sympathetic in my position. fear is a change of policy. departed from longstanding american policy toward israel. we live in a tough neighborhood. i don't think i have to make that case. the president goes to cairo in 2009. makes a very long speech about issues crucial to us. it would have been in the keeping with the longstanding american tradition of alliance to have given us a chance to look at it and say, listen we don't have veto power over what the united states says it goes to the building of the trust. the book comes up now for a
reason and book selling season is really in the fall. >> i want it to come out precisely because of the iranian issue, the essence of trust is what there is about. the president is saying trust me i got your back. now my country's security, belies, people are at stake here t. issue of trust is crucial. >> ambassador thank you so much. >> allie author thank you. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet?
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>> coming up at the top of the hour an historic move in south carolina, governor nikki haley calls for the confederate flag to come down less than one week after the deadly church shooting in charleston but will enough lawmakers be on board? >> all right. pete rose we mentioned pete rose in the hall of fame. >> we'll be right back. think of the united states postal service? exactly. that's what pushes us to deliver smarter simpler faster sleeker earlier fresher harder farther quicker and yeah even on sundays. what's next? we'll show you. why weigh yourself down? try new aveeno® sheer hydration. its active naturals® oat formula... ...goes on feather light. absorbs in seconds... ...keeps skin healthy looking... ...and soft.
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sisters in charleston has a sick and twisted view of the flack n. no way does he reflect the people of our state who respect and in many ways revere it. they also see it as a memorial the way to honor ancestors who came to the service of their state during time of conflict. >> that is not hate. nor is it racism. at the same time for many others in south carolina the flack is a deeply offensive symbol of a brutally oppressive past. as a state, we can survive and indeed we can pry as we have done while still being home to both of those viewpoints. we do not need to declare a win orderened a loser here. >> it's history. the flag is history. welcome back to "morning joe." >> what a great statement. >> yes from her. that was the -- >> on both sides of it. >> yes, that was a turn for her over the years, which is okay. mike barnacle eugene robinson still with us joining the conversation. msnbc contributor associate
professor columbia university public affairs hegs torian. in just a moment we will go back to new york. stephanie gosk is going to be joining us with the latest on the hunt for those two suspects for the two mass murders that escaped from a maximum security prison. it's getting warmer. they're getting closer. >> i think they are. i think they are. gene we were talking about what happened yesterday in your home state of south carolina a state that i love and have an awful lot of connections to. i love how nikki haley laid it out t. way she laid the confederate flag out some people in the north may not understand is that i remember seeing atlanta journal constitution poll of southerners. they were talking about what a crazy divided region it was, yet, how everybody fixed out how to get along in time. >> talk about the two most revered people in the south in this fall were martin luther
king and robert e. lee. >> a bit of a contradiction there. and, yet, as nikki haley said you got people that look at the confederate flag in two different ways and yet she says clearly those that see it ads a combol of hatred and oppression and of a miserable deplorable time have to get denied. >> it's not by a nose in my view fascinating to me is when did that flag go off at the statehouse? it went up first in 1961 not 1861, but 1961. on thecentenniel and has to keep it up. the actual placement of that flag at the state house in columbia was in reaction to a federal government that was forcing desegregation. reaction to brown versus board
of education. reaction to -- >> exactly. >> it happened in alabama. the desegregation. >> exactly. and so you know again, the nostalgia for the civil war and honoring like that in fact there was no need to do that with the flag for 100 years after the civil war. >> so as we transition to the next conversation which is related, there is a headcount from the charleston post and curier the majority want the flag to come down. in both house the senate nearly half of them decline to respond on how they would vote. so there is still some tension there. >> there will not be a choice. they won't have a choice. not because of outside pressure from outside of the state, but because of pressure from inside the republican party now from the governor's office from the senator's office from boeing from bmw. >> wal-mart removing items
promoting the flag. >> from michelin. ceos are coming out saying "enough." i don't know how these holdouts can beat back the tide of history. >> governor haley three years ago made the business case for why you keep the flag umm. we are seeing as you pointed out, she will end up making a business case. >> it's a moral case. a human case. >> the business case is sort of a nail in the coffin. >> it's all coming together. >> i think so. >> it's a political case too, you saw all of the most powerful politicians on that stage in south carolina on that stage yesterday. they will have something to do with the political success of those state representatives and state senators and there is a conservative republican state representative i believe from the greenville part of the state who actually is sponsoring a bill and had been before there to take down the flag. so i think they will have momentum. >> mike yet you have republican
presidential candidates stumbling all over themselves yesterday, not being able to get out of their own way. >> but they were handed in their approach. the incredible thing to me is the pace of change how rapidly it occurred and how it occurs in one small step of leadership from one person governor nikki haley and then bomb everybody follows. it really is an electrifying story. >> we had, mica one tragedy after another that we have been following, racial tragedies over the past year start income ferguson. you can look at ferguson staten island, south carolina baltimore, and the tragedies where things stayed where the cancer stayed malignant, like ferguson, you had a lack of understanding from the local leadership. a lack of response. here in charleston you did have that response but i've got to
say to you that i agree that so much of this has been moved by the extraordinary gestures of the victims, families themselves that showed this community and all of them this weekend, a lot of white marchers out chanting black lives matter. you saw the community coming together with some of the victim's families that had. >> they did it. >> we had a check prayer before we get out. they always dos this prayer in catholic high school. i never understood why we always prayed, pray ford our sinners now at the hour of our death. if you knew our football team, you'd understand why. there is also the serenity prayer that talked about the peace of god that surpasss all understanding and that's what the victim's family showed time and time again, nothing short of
extraordinary. >> i completely agree with you. i think they are the reason there is all hang actually. they are the central sort of moral core of this and everyone else is following in their footsteps at this point. part of yesterday's discussion about race include president obama's candid use of a racial slur in an interview. we talked about it a little yesterday, trying to get our arms around it. the president said that the words absence from polite society does not mean racism is over. white house press secretary josh ernest said yesterday the president does not regret using the "n" word. >> the president's use of the word and the reason he used the word could not be more apparent from the context of his discussion on podcast. the president made clear that it's not possible to judge race issues based solely on an evaluation of our country's manners. i woulding a only in the way that the president designed his
argument in this scenario is more provocative and i don't think there is anybody here that's surprised that this is something that's getting a little bit more attention. >> so you saw the interview the president did where he used the "n" word. is it possible he didn't think about it? he must have thought about it before he used it correct? >> i think there is no way. no other way. >> no way. so why do you think he did it? >> i think he was making a dramatic point. >> what's the point? >> the point is that the use of that word is not the measure of racial progress. >> that is not the accurate measure. so we can pat ourselves on the back to say, oh less people are using that word now. that's not the right measure t. right measure are the range of statistics we know. lower incomes, higher immortality rates. higher rates of incarceration. we can talk about policing on this program for a long time. there are all these other measures that are the right measures in terms of racial progress in this country. the use of a slur of a word is not that measure.
so he was making that dramatic point. he knew as soon as it came out of his mouth, we would be talking about it. >> obviously, we as a network decided to bleep it. we were sort of trying to get our arms around that as well yesterday. i'm not sure we want to think about that. >> just in terms of a bleeping controversy our rule used to be if the president of the united states said it and that would be my view. >> why do you think he did it? >> you know i think he was making that point. i think that however, i frankly was not tremendously impressed with the whole podcast interview. it seemed rambling. >> i thought it was one of the best interviews ever conducted that obama participated in. ever. >> there you go. >> no i mean, i talked to somebody yesterday. >> why do you think it was
rambling? >> this is you know charleston was a big deal. this is a big moment and so i guess what i'm waiting for, and maybe i'm waiting for the funeral on friday. what i'm waiting for is for the president in the way that he can to not just address the issue, not just tell us what has happened and where we have been but actually point a way forward and, you know sure powers of the president are limited and you can't clang the world in a snap of a finger but, in fact he's the most powerful man in the united states in the world. and he's very smart and so i'm, i guess i'm waiting for the more complete organized, focused, process that i anticipate on friday. >> i liked it very much because i thought just given the setting
and in mark marins garage there l.a. mark marin was able to get president obama to edge closer and closer and closer to who he really is. if you listen to that interview, you get the impression using that word heules id it before. >> taking the power away from us. >> he said in the interview, i am now fearless i am not running anymore, i am fearless he went on to say, few listen to it again, what he is really saying is hey, america, do you notally the, white people do you not think that black people have the same ambitions for their children that you have? do you not think that your children and their children share the same concern for economic security for physical security for house security? do you not think we are all the same regardless of color? i think that's what he -- >> i agree with both of you.
i think he was rambling. i think that's a good thing. i think he is finally unleashed and free to be himself as mike says closer to himself that many of us have known but that he has been constrained to be in the white house. this is the moment where i think, friday we will see the path forward. >> that interview was the first moment he was unleashed, more so than any moment on his presidency >> i'll watch the whole thing again. >> yes, you review. i want to hear anything. all right. we do want to get to the search in upstate new york a big break. sources confirm dfa from richard sweat and matt. now a manhunt that has taken law enforcement hundreds of miles away over the past 17 days is heating up just 20 miles from
where it all began. joining us from owls head new york. stephanie gosk. stephanie, what is the scene there like this morning? >> reporter: hey good morning, mica. well, it's been a really tough night of searching here. this is an incredibly rugged area. there are tons of bugs and now it has started to rain again. police have received over 2,000 tips, now a promising lead roughly 20 miles from the prison the inmates escaped from nearly two weeks ago. >> we have developed everyday the suspects may have spent time in this area in a cabin. >> reporter: sources say dna covered the lonl match both david sweat and richard matt. the two are likely on the run together. >> you can spend a week in each camp. >> the restaurant owner spoke with the cabin owner after he
was questioned by police and said he looked visibly shaken. >> a jug of water on the kitchen table that was never there, something they don't use. >> open jar of peanut butter. >> on the table? >> on the table. >> reporter: the department of corrections announced prison guard gene palmer has been put on administrative leave in connection with the escape. he worked on the honor block where the escapees were housed. >> he was forthcoming and answered everything asked of him. >> joyce mitchell remains behind bars after pleading not guilty to charges she helped inmates escape, providing them blades drill bits and other tools critic to their get away. this is a popular place in the summer. there are camps literally around the mountains. they tell people to be extra vigilant and report anything suspicious. >> stephanie gosk thank you very, very much. up next on "morning joe," the
youngest woman elected to congress. breaks down why millennial voters are up for glabs, plus mississippi governor weighs in on the crowded gop field, still ahead, desperate housewives and dallas star jessie met calf joins us to discuss the latest movie. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys ♪ ♪ .
what are you doing? are you googleing? >> i was -- >> oh it will take you about two hours. >> i was seeing how new york tim was. >> joining us now. >> 21. >> oh okay. congress woman elise stefanik became the youngest woman ever elected to strong. later today she will be chairing a hearing, millennials and the gop. it's great to have you on the set with us. >> let's talk about your
district first. obviously, you talked to law enforcement last week. they told you that they expected some breaks. >> they got them. >> on friday i visited dannemora to thank law enforcement corrections officers for the two weeks of hard work. i saw sort of the headquarters where they get all of the lead. they anticipated this week they were likely to have a significant break in the case because people and seasonal folks who own camps or hunting lodges oftentimes open their homes. the focus is on owls head fork which is another small rural part of the district. it seems like they're centering in on finding the escapees. >> they're getting close. i mean, they have a couple of different clues. so your district overall, first of all, how is it going? as a young woman tries to make waives on xichlt any challenges? >> it's going great. the first time i met you. >> was in the hallway. >> they said no cameras.
>> we did. that was the day they escorted me down the steps, they didn't realize i was a member of congress. >> are there these stories? >> they're fewer and fewer. for the first month, it was a fight. the capital police didn't recognize me as a member. i have this trusty pin. >> it works. >> it's my form of i.d. >> that's really funny, two a ung u young? >> you know a lot of people thought i was a staffer or an inturn. this happened to paul ryan. he used to tell me i'm sure it happened when you were young. >> it still happened to paul ryan. >> it happened to me only for the first 20 years. >> right. >> they still don't let you in for other reasons, that's okay. >> and do you you feel that you are getting a lot of unwanted advice or are you treated as you know as a congress woman as opposed to that girl who -- >> i'm definitely treated as a peer and i have great committee
assignthments. i got my top two choices, education and work force and i think that the gop leadership has to do better to commune kath our message to millennials. i think i had a lot of opportunities. my constituents know i'm going to walk not to be a back bencher but to be a part of the decision making from day one. >> what, if anything, has been frustratelet for you? >> most frustrating i would sayt the pace of policy making. i think it's inherent in the process with the house and the senate and even though republican versus won back the senate, both institutions have a different set. so for the house side sometimes we get frustrated with the sale. if you compare that to last session under harry reid's leadership, we've gotten a lot more done working with the senate controlled by senator mitch mcconnell. >> let's talk about millennials up for dprabs it's so funny, you know in the 1970s after
watergate and vietnam and republicans lost millennials forever. then ronald reagan this old actor, wins young voters. and then republicans physical out a way to lose young voters again, then barak obama if 2010 were supposed to have lost millennials forever. i guess in '10 and '14, we did well for millennials, they are a grown-up that are up for grabs. what do republican versus to do better especially in presidential elections? >> first we have to identify millennials as an important block. they make up the largest generation in our work force. >> really? >> with that we bring characteristics. >> that is frightening. disrupting the private sector. >> that is frightening. a lot of xbox and fantasy football. >> it's exciting to me look at what they need to do.
we need innovative solution our policy of bottom up organic economic growth instead of top down that should resonate with millenials we need to make that case. >> aren't there issues gay marriage and social issues in which the republican party is out of step with millennial needs to get in step? if it wants to get those votes? >> i was going to say, regardless of our politics they're on the carry, hey, i want more of my pay check and stay out of my bedroom. >> we need to be a big party going into 2016 and there is no doubt about it. the polling in regards to marriage equality has shifted at historic levels. on other socialist issues mill lenleias are slightly more pro-life than the previous generation. i think that has a lot to do with the advancements in science and medicine but no doubt about it that we need to make a case as a big 10 party and really focus on economic empowerment,
on individual liberties, on constitutional liberties, because that's what race nates. those are the issues that resonate with mill len nals. >> congresscome elise stefanik. it's grit to have you on. you scared joe. with all the millennials coming in, and taking over. >> you should be excited, joe. >> it's mainly my son and his friends. >> i kind of wonder how we will get anything done between. >> all the texting. >> if you want to follow today's hearing, i made sure there was a hashtag in true millennial fashion. >> up next. dpra it job. for 26 years, poet rose insists he only bet on baseball when he was a manager. now he played best as a player as well. like lupica looks at whether this will close the door on rose. we'll be right back.
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>> quack quack. >> hey, look whose here, the host of espn new york column flift for if new york daily news. >> there is a mistake. >> i got your back. this is a hustle crowd. i got you back. >> there the a lot of hostility here. >> that's not true. i made one hair comment. >> outside the lines gets these documents that i think confirm what a lot of people suspected that pete rose did something he said he hasn't done which is to bet on baseball as a player not against his own team the records indicate that he didn't bet on bible as a player. any surprise? >> no it was naive and disingenuous of us to think that he didn't bet while he was a player. >> that somehow pete had a bound air there that he would not
cross but for years and years, we allowed him to tell this lot. then when he came clean in 2004 he stuck to the story he never bet as a player. now it turns out that that's one more lie. people forget pete was once a guest of the stay for tax evasion. i was there when he was sentenced that day. pete has made a career out of this. but always you heard this. how much pete loved baseball. i do believe pete loved baseball and wanted to win. but michael, how many thousands of times in his life did he pass by in a baseball clubhouse, rule 21-d ability gambling? >> how many games did he play? minor league facilitys to major league facilities. he's there every day. >> we all like pete. i spent a lot of time in my life with pete. i wanted pete. i thought there was an avenue for him to get back this year. i don't see how it happens. >> where did this book come
from? any idea? >> some bizarre postal service raid on little mikey's home. way back in the day like 25 years ago and somehow it's come to life. john dowd he had the life report. he said it best yesterday, the break away. he was betting with bad guys. okay. dowd said yesterday, the mob had a mother-in-law on pete and, joe, when we go to sports events. the one thing we want is for them to be on the level. that's all that separates it from professional wrestling. >> it's more likely than not they voted against the reds? >> whether or not he did it is irrelevant to this conversation. if on monday tuesday, and wednesday, pete bets on the reds, then the guy calls him up on thursday and says what do you got today? he goes i don't think so. i don't like the way pineda warms up today. what message does that send
them? all of them? >> my guy is shattered in the bullpen, i'm going to pass. >> so if pete rose came out tomorrow and had a press conference, laid it all out on theible that. said he was a fool an idiot, five years from now, would you vote to have the greatest hitter of all time in the hall of fame? >>. i have been one for a lot of years, who have said let's have like this wing. you know. like the dirtball ring it says pete rose did this, this and this underneath that several paragraphs. >> then if you do that you take in all the drug cheats and the juicers. i'm in the ready to do that. so do i think rob manford will take him back in now? no i don't. can i tell you that he won't? no, i can't tell you that either. >> there is an entire contingent of people that say, let's put barry bonds, roger clemens, give them their own little area. pause they did achieve so much
before they were on the juice. you don't think that applies to pete rose? >> i don't. it's a very complicated thing. when people say to you, what's the difference between pete and a drug cheat? it becomes a very nuance because if you are willing to forgive pete then you got to forgive all the other guys for all the other lives in the world. >> but pete's betting didn't get in the way of the standards, the sports writers used to judge who gets in the hall and who doesn't get into hall. pete's betting had nothing to do with him getting over 4,000 hits, had in you can to do with him chasing dimaggio's record. whereas barry bonds and maguire decided, we're going to cheat. we're going to juice because that's going to increase our numbers, our home runs our hits and our chances of getting into the hall. >> sadly, right, betting on your sport as if are you a professional athlete.
it suggests the games are not on the level there that's right. >> that is totally unacceptable. what these guys did to their bodies, which was cheating. you know you can keep them out. but they were doing it in self interest arguably after their own team and they were all doing it. >> i don't bet. you talked about the incredibly unsavory crowd pete rose those e chose to be around. >> this wasn't online gambling. >> this wasn't pete beating with bad guys. through the initial report eventually it came down to hey, pete you know you are 75 grand down to us. we are sick of getting autographed bats from you in
payment. we want cash so that leads to what may, you don't know what will happen. >> you don't know. >> but gene's right. once you get the implication or a hint that the game is not on the level, that's the end of the game. >> joe, you watch these games. we're willing to forgive a lot with the people we watch play these games. it doesn't get better. it gets worse. again, if i look at a pitcher or i look at a hitter and i don't know whatever arrangement they make with the people they were betting with then we are looking at professional wrestling. >> where do you rank pete rose among players in the '70s and ''80s. >> i consider the '60s, '70s, ''80s, the golden age of baseball. where do you rank pete rose with his peers? >> no listen ted williams is the greatest pure hitter of all time. pete has a unique place in history. one of the things you say about lebron james i believe this he
could have been an all star in any of the five positions on the court. pete played everywhere. if they wanted pete to catch, joe, we thought he was going to go after deimage i don't think that year it became a great national story. everybody liked pete. but when he got sentenced to jail for tax evasion, the judge this guy spiegel;e, said there is the hit legend and then there is this guy. he says we're not talking about the legend today. people have always had a hard time separating the two with pete. >> as we end this segment, can you name the team and a location that pete rose's chase after deimage i don't think's hitting streak was stopped? >> i can't. >> the tleent braves. >> perfect. oh my god, the capital of the south. oh my god. >> don't even start talking about the south. >> coming up next. >> oh my god, fireworks, pete rose is very bitter afterwards,
he said they acted like they won game 12k3w4r7 remember him being pissed off? great. coming up next what would american foreign policy look like if rick perry became the next president? that answer next on "morning joe." we will ask lupica offset to set this up before we come back. we'll be right back. .
. >> a great picture. >> it was a picture of his grandchild willie. what do you think he was showing? >> i asked what he was showing. >> a great shot. >> no i don't want him back. >> you see security. >> a great shot. >> so he has a grandchild saying a couple of words. he was showing us the video. >> very excited about that. bill press show on free speech tv and also senior editor daily caller jamie weinstein let's
start with you. since we have been teasing the rick peristory. you spoke about rick peri. tell us about his foreign policy, what does it look like? >> i think the real debate is different than people said a couple years ago, they thought it was a debate between hawks, it's a debate of varying degrees of hawkishness. it comes down to where do you stand on nation building and democracy. >> where does perry stand? >> i think he is framing himself as someone who doesn't care about jeffersonian democracy. he got tripped up on a couple questions t. real test is where do you stand on egypt and libya. he said he would have stood behind the bar if he thought it was a mistake. on libya, he kind of got tripped up. he said it was reasonable at the time. hfls muddled. he never gave a clear answer there. obviously, it was not a subject he was wanting to talk about. >> bill cress, it's difficult for our candidates to be able to
come up to say things like well the world probably was more stable with gadhafi as president of libya. the world was probably more secure with saddam hussein when you had a united syria. these are difficult times for our neophytes and foreign policy. >> i think they're difficult times for all of us t. lives lost in iraq to what end? they still don't have their stuff together. right? we're defending on the new iraqi government as the central point of our strategy against isis. >> when the sunnis out west and the kurds up north aren't going to ever get on board with an yarnian influenced central government? >> well let's put it this way. we have been bombing airstrikes against isis since last august. right? and where are we and where is the iraqi government? i think the whole strategy
because it depends on rearming the iraqi military and that they're going to fight, right? the moderate arming the moderate syrian rebels. remember them? did we ever find them? we're still looking for them so we can arm them and a new stable unified iraqi government. we haven't seen any one of the three. i think the strategy is bound to fail. >> domestically guys we were talking at the break. you have written about the confederate flag. we were talking about the momentum this is taking on in the last week or less now to the point where the republican speaker of the mississippi house of representatives says we must always remember our past. >> that does not mean we must define us as a christian. our state flag mississippi here has become a point of offense that needs to be removed. it seems nobody is stepping out on the ledge, at least publicly and defending this anymore. >> the game the over i think on this, slowly but surely we will see the flacks come down. to me it's a no brainer. i am born in the north. i grew up in south florida t.
part that was the north. to me it's a flack of treason. i never understood why we would be over the capital. to me you see them in the building and think i it's a goneer. >> we see so seldom bold leadership and to see a nikki haley take the lead and bring together tim scott, lindsay grime and the members of the congressional delegation was heart warming, right the right thing to do but the bold thing to do. >> really after those families spoke to the court, it kind of opened the door for everybody to really speak freely and truly and to their hearts. and she did that. >> you know so good for the people of south carolina. i heard you say earlier, that's really where the most pressure is coming from. they know their past. they don't want that confederate flag up there, too, to be the symbol of their past. i also have to give credit to mitt romney. he turned the tide on this he really did and jeb bush when he was governor of florida.
took it down put it in the museum. >> jeb bush was the only republican early on after mitt's comment do come out and aguessively say, hey, i think they need to do what we did in florida. we took it down put it where it longs in a museum. >> he acted before most even democrats were acting. hillary clinton was from a state where they had confederate flag day. her husband was governor of arkansas for eight years on confederate flag day. so i think that i mean jeb bush is someone who acted on this. what's interesting i think rand paul, someone who has tried to kind of frame his campaign on reaching out to minorities african-americans, has been notoriously silent. >> why is that? >> i don't know. >> it's an interesting question maybe he is afraid it will alienate a part of his father's revolution. remember the ron paul news letters. they were confederate flag news letters it kind of goes against what he is running on. >> marco rubio, well, we'll see.
we'll leave it up to scott walker wishy washy, now he's coming around sailing he did the right thing. they had a moment to show their leadership. they didn't. >> thank you. still ahead, how far would you go to stop a secret society that you believe is running and ruining the world. the star of the new usa show mr. robot joins "morning joe" next. .
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sometimes i dream of saving the world. saving everyone from the invisible hand. one that brands us with an employee badge. the one that forces us to work for them. the one that controls us every day without us knowing it. but i can't stop it. i'm not that special. >> that was a look at usa network's new hacker drama "mr. robot." joining us now is the star of the show. very good to have you here. >> great have to have you here. >> i'm a big fan of the show and how well you dress. >> have you seen the show before? >> this show? >> yes. >> yes, i watch it all the time. i'm being serious. i don't just come on and being a guy that says that. >> i love it.
>> i love this. >> really? >> so this is an absolutely fascinating story. you are obviously working at a firm and christian slater comes up to you. you have to make a decision. what is it? >> that's true. i mean i'm conflicted. there's a society that i deem as corrupt and disenchanted with and christian slater is mr. robot and he comes towards me with this audacious plan to erase debt as we know it. my eyes kind of light up which is -- i think speaks to what people are going through these days. they want some type of change and he's one of those guys that's got a bunch of inner demons and wants to do something about it. >> so you have to decide whether you're going to do this or not. >> yeah. a bit conflicted but like i said there's something -- something sparks inside a little bit of excitement at creating thissen credible social change that i think we're capable of. >> mike?
>> mike you mentioned everything you have seen him in he's like -- what's the word? >> well there's a -- >> i'm nervous. >> what's the word? >> you should be. >> there's an element in several of the parts you have had across your career, there's an element of enhanced evil. it's just under the surface of the character. >> yes. >> you play the characters in such a small, quiet way. >> just with the eyes and the voice. >> yeah. >> that the expressions scare you. >> right. >> i'm talking about like "the pacific". >> yeah. >> i'm scared right now. >> i'm not even giving you a look yet. i'm drawn to complicated characters. the character was battle hardened and harbored all of that. numbed himself and i think eliot in "mr. robot" is doing the same thing. he numbs himself in many different ways and he holds it
all back until there are moments where it has to eventually explode. >> has to come out. >> i like the very complicated characters. i try to layer them and then when you come in, it's the work you do that you can leave everything to exist and live behind the eyes. >> whoa. >> as your role as eliot, eliot is an anti-social person. how did you prepare for this role? you know what did you read? what did you research? you say yourself you're compelled by the story. >> right. >> so what was your process to get into el zblot. >> what was the process? i just started thinking about how he stuffered from a lot of grief in his life. haven't we all? he feels very lonely in his life. disillusioned. he feels like he lives in a society that's corrupt and i can understand from a lot of the generations i have -- i live with this these days that are feeling the same way so it's easy to get into that place. and then inhabit that. i don't know. i'm a very gregarious person in
real life and fun to play the opposite. get into a mind of a reckless. it is crazy walking through the city and keeping your head down and not looking at people and you see the demeanor of people change as that happens and living in that is really very striking sometimes. i don't do that method stuff very often but it's fun to go through the city like that. >> let's try it, joe. >> i already do. "mr. robot" looks great. usa, i mean usa is really investing in this. >> they are. >> they believe in this. it's very exciting. >> they've been great pushing the envelope an it's a really special show like "the pacific." something i'm incredibly proud of. >> come back. >> thank you for watching. >> i'm telling you. telling you. i love seeing what you're going to wear every morning. >> oh my god, there you go. >> premiers tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. >> thank you so much. >> a pleasure. coming up at top of the
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without ill will to say, it's time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. [ applause ] >> it is 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. with us on set, mike barnacle. we begin this morning and starting now in south carolina where the governor taken a historic step calling for the removal of the confederate battleground from state house grounds flanked by an unlikely scene of supporters including congressman clyburn, senator graham governor nikki haley explained why the flag's time has come. >> whether for good or bad, on the state house grounds or a museum, the flag will always be a part of the soil of south carolina, but this is a moment in which we can say that that flag while an integral part of our past does not represent the future of our great state. >> so what remains to be seen is
if the political will is there to bring it down. suggesting a majority of lawmakers want it to come down. but in both the house and senate nearly half of the lawmakers declined to respond how they would vote and some observers noted that it took the death of nine african-american citizens in a church to finally force action. >> yeah i hate it happened on the eve of this tragedy and i hate that the tragedy made this happen. you know, and the governor we applaud her efforts. we know it wouldn't happen without her. we applaud the conservatives and the sea change in deciding that something that's hateful for years now all of a sudden they see it as hateful and want to take it down. we'll take it however we can get it. however, seeing reece priebus there, maybe they were tired of the candidates dancing around nine people getting killed over this hateful symbol and whether it ought to come down. >> south carolina's not the only state seeking change. the republican house speaker in
mississippi pushing for removal of a confederate emblem on the state flag and walmart says it is removing all items promoting the confederate flag. good for them. later this week president obama, the first lady and vice president will all travel to charleston for the funeral of state senator cleemta pinckney the president will deliver the eulogy. things feel right about this. >> yeah. no. yeah. i mean, this is -- people outside the south don't understand. i mean this is a big deal. i mean it's obviously a very big deal in south carolina. would have been a much bigger deal 20 years ago when this wasn't seen universally as a symbol of hatred but was seen certainly among most white southerners as a defiance in many ways against the north. i mean we -- we obsess over southeastern football because we still haven't come you know -- debt with the fact that we lost the war.
i mean never forget. right? and, yes, you can have the debates. you know? you heard on twiter ertwitter last night people stating the insightful wisdom that the civil war was fought over slavery. yes, we know. that doesn't mean i can't love the south and be proud of the south and want to sort of stick it to yankees as we always grew up calling them. by putting a confederate flag up in our room or whatever. that obviously changed over the past 20 years when it became universally seen as a -- by the overwhelming majority of americans as a symbol of hatred. >> yep. >> and 20 years later, it's time to take it down. i've been saying it. i was surprised. i was surprised and very happy yesterday. that these politicians in south carolina took the step they did. >> it's amazing how fast this happened in the last five days. the movement going on for
decades but among republicans inside south carolina with unfortunately tragically the murders as a catalyst for it. all the way down the line from the governor to the senators and everybody falling in thisline on that. remarkable for republicans to do it. also a crush of statements across the country. senator john mccain apologized for not being more candid of taking down the flag. he said i feared if i answered honestly i could not win the south carolina primary so i chose to compromise my principles. i broke my promise to always tell the truth. governor scott walker tweeted a statement of support. the day before though he said it was up to the state. sources tell nbc news governor walker wanted to call for the removal but waited at governor nikki haley's request. jeb bush who oversaw the removing of the confederate flag in florida similarly praised haley.
ben carson wrote accusing some of doing a dance around the obvious. he continued, quote, not everything is about race but when it is let's just call this sickness what it is so we can get on with the healing. notingly silent senator rand paul growing the party reaching out directly to african-americans. senator paul acknowledged a gaffe recently in reference to the violence after the death of freddie gray in baltimore saying i came through the train in baltimore last night. i'm glad the train didn't stop. another person to acknowledge is mitt romney who got out very early and nudged a lot of 2016 candidates to move in this direction. >> it was great. here's a great example of how mitt romney still has an impact on this race and on this party. >> in a good way. >> he did go out first. he was praised for it. i remember seeing it i guess saturday, and being really pleased to see it. retweeted it. and wrote something myself. boom. everybody started in soon after
mitt romney did that. he had real impact in this debate. also, something about south carolina, too. there's also an impact on the state legislators who maybe 20 years ago may have been dragging their feet by the fact that if you haven't been to south carolina you don't know what an extraordinary change the state's gone through over 20 years. there's so many people moving in. it started with carol campbell with bmw and you have bmw, michelin, boeing, a massive plant in boeing in charleston. and it is it is an economic magnet for companies across the world. you go to greenville on a friday night and, in fact we were down there for a book event and the mayor was telling us this. go to greenville on a friday night. as likely to hear people speaking german as having them hear english. >> i was shocked. >> such a mix. greenville especially but charleston, it's extraordinary what's happened to that state.
since carol campbell started this economic revolution. connecticut, they want an example of how to bring industry into a state that has a great quality of life. you can do no better than look g looking at south carolina. >> in addition to that you have the obvious demographic changes that have taken place in the state with the migration of people, retirees from the north, to south carolina. >> right. >> rather than just to florida or just arizona. a huge and growing population of retirees in south carolina. >> just to look at this sort of -- there's changes happening in lots of different ways in 2010 governor haley said the issue of the flag resolved to the best of its ability and then in 2014 in the re-election bid panned criticism of the democratic challenger as being last minute election politics. take a look. >> you know the confederate flag is a very sensitive issue, and what i can tell you is over
the last three and a half years i spend a lot of my days on the phones with ceos and recruiting jobs to this state. i can honestly say i have not had one conversation with a single ceo about the confederate flag. what is important here is we look at the fact that yes, perception of south carolina matters. that's why we have everybody entering the phones. that's why we're named the friendliest state and patriotic state. and getting the accolades. we fixed that electing the first indian-american female governor the first african-american u.s. senator. that sent a huge message. >> this now also sends a huge message. >> it does. and, you know i'm waiting for these holdouts to speak out because i don't -- i don't understand at this point. >> i don't think they -- i don't think they have a choice. >> let's move on. >> praise lindsey graham. >> yes. >> and senator tim scott, as well. you have the governor and the
two u.s. senators that is a powerful powerful message. >> for sure. former secretary of state hillary clinton expected to talk about race when she ravels to missouri today joining the community meeting at the church in st. louis, a suburb of near the site of the unrest over the police shooting of teenager michael brown. meanwhile, nbc/"wall street journal" shows clinton dominating the field. clinton garners 75% of the vote in the new national poll. a full 60 points ahead of bernie sanders. 92% of democrats say they can see themselves supporting clinton as the nominee n. a general election matchup, former florida governor jeb bush performs best against clinton and leads all top three republican candidates. >> if you put up the head to heads, unless they sprinkled pixie dust on them, hillary clinton pixie dust this is out of line with most of the polls of the last month or two in
hillary's favor. if anybody believes an election held today, hillary winning by 8 points over jeb, come on. let's go to london to make some bets. >> you don't think she would? >> no. >> i know she wouldn't. not by eight points. doesn't matter. it's early. i'm just saying. >> i think there's a -- >> if hillary runs against jeb, that's probably an all nighter. we can say that 15 months out. >> oh hmm. i think -- no. i think there's a real disconnect between the conversation inside washington and the media echo chamber and america on hillary clinton. >> what do you mean? >> they'll just vote for her. that's -- i'm not saying whether it's right or wrong or whatever. you just go out there and talk to people about hillary clinton, and they will vote for her. >> you look at the -- >> they go crazy. >> inside the democratic party and see why the campaign feels like it can brush aside the
e-mail server questions. 92% of respondents in the democratic party say i could see myself voting for hillary clinton. bernie sanders with a strong following but still at 15% and she's at 75%. >> something could happen. you know? that's staggering change. there could be some event. you know? >> sure. >> gaffe or whatever. but i can't even envision what it is at this point. >> we just had one last week in charleston, south carolina. she's going to address race today in a way that she has not addressed race i think in her last campaign. or had recently. and she is on her own clock. we talked about this. campaign on her own clock. she's really no opposition. that's the truth of it. >> she can't -- >> or potentially the problem. she can be on her own clock. talking about how this race is going to be close, there's a lot of things that already baked into the cake. you take all of the states of mitt romney won and most republicans say that's the low water mark. mitt didn't have a great
campaign last year. you add the states up and sudden suddenlysudden suddenly all jeb or marco has to do or whoever win it is nomination, win florida, ohio, and virginia va and pick up maybe new hampshire, another state. well, jeb's going to win florida if it's him. and chances are good he's going to take kasich or somebody in ohio. and virginia i'm sorry, jeb's going to win virginia and then you go out west and look at all the hispanic states the hispanic influence states that republicans get slaughtered in -- new mexico will go for -- if jeb wins jeb. colorado will go for jeb. nevada will go for jeb. suddenly, you've got two sides scrambling for 270. how can we say this this early on? because we can. hold the tape. save the tape. if it's hillary and jeb and they both run great campaigns, we'll be up late late late election night. >> it's a jump ball election if it's hillary versus jeb. >> yeah.
still ahead on "morning joe," montel williams is here. >> he's joining forces to push for the release of an american citizen held prisoner in iran and explaining just ahead. former governor haley barbour is standing more and his take on the momentum in south carolina to remove the confederate flag from state house grounds. >> haley has a book coming out on the tenth anniversary of katrina. it's extraordinary. coming out this august. >> all right. we'll be right back with more "morning joe."
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it's unsustainable. some point we have to have -- i'm sorry, people hate this for crime but a broken windows approach to health care. >> how much of that money -- >> yes. >> -- is preventable conditions caused by obesity or aggravated by obesity? the answer is a lot. >> look at the cause of obesity not a lack of discipline but about the kind of food we eat, the actual diet that's churned into the american body every day is not healthy and it's the food that's around us everywhere. >> if you're a conservative and you care about the debt you can no longer draw -- put up a wall between -- between obesity and the sustainability of our federal government to be able to make the payments that they make. you can't do it. and we're going to have to be much more aggressive moving forward. we are going bankrupt. and -- >> and we're dying. >> americans are getting more
and more unhealthy. and take it a disease like diabetes, something my family knows a good bit about, that's one of the greatest drivers of health care costs in america. so much of diabetes is, you know, at least for diabetes type 2 caused by a lot of lifestyle choices. >> preventable. >> so much of it is preventable. it's costing us so much money. >> really. >> terrible story from the sports world in a lot of papers today. "houston chronicle." daryl hamilton went to the world series with the mets in 2000. discovered dead on sunday after apparently murder-suicide at his home in houston. investigators say he was shot several times and a woman in the house identified as a 44-year-old monica jordan died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. they had a 14-month-old child found in the home uninjured. he was an outfielder five
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>> she is the greatest. >> fantastic. >> i need to borrow some money from her. >> interesting take on the money controversy from "fortune." ben bernanke says he is quote appalled by the government's decision to demote alexander hamilton from his place on the $10 bill. >> this isn't going well. >> you can't do it. the man that set up america's banking system. >> bump andy jackson. >> andrew jackson. >> get him off. >> why not think of that in the first place? >> hamilton is very cool guy. >> i knew him. >> bernanke makes that point. jack lew announced last week the founder of the monetary agency sharing the spot on the bill with a still unnamed woman. bernanke called hamilton the best policymaker in u.s. history and write that is honoring a woman on currency is a fine idea and shouldn't come at hamilton expense. a better solution is available from bernanke now.
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congress members of the legislature. and that's who ought to decide how they're going to decorate their state capitol ground. and that's their decision. should be their decision. >> haley, pretty remarkable when you look at the press conference. here you are in south carolina. the heart of dixie. other than mississippi. alabama, of course. but south carolina the heart of dixie and here you have an indian-american governor, republican standing next to black republican u.s. senator, and you actually saw in that press conference yesterday how much the republican party in the deep south is changing. >> well that's right. all over the country for that matter. particularly in the south. but i thought also important about the picture, there are a number of democrats in the picture. black and white. and this is a way big changes ought to be made. people work together. decide what's the right thing to
do. you know, about 15 years ago in mississippi, there was an effort to change our state flag. and they put it to a referendum and it failed. that's going to be as you mentioned, that's going to be talked about again. and the decision belongs rightly to the people of mississippi. >> what would be governors, gene robinson, what would be your view on that question? as to whether it's time to retire that symbol. >> i stated my view gene very -- it's up to the people of mississippi. when we did this before i did not make a public statement about this. i just -- i had been national party chairman. been republican national chairman and i thought anything that i thad would be considered that's the republican position. and there were republicans who were very involved in wanting to change the flag. and there were republicans who were very involved in not wanting to change the flag but as you see our speaker of the house who is in the middle of
this and is rightly part of the decision making has already come forward and said hey, this is something we got to take up and figure out how to deal with it. >> so governor you are no longer governor. what's the haley barbour's position on it? what's your position personally as a resident of mississippi? >> i'm not offended by our flag or the confederate flag for that matter. but some people are. >> but when you -- >> and the ones who have to deal in congress, the ones that have to deal in the legislature, the one that is have to deal in the county governments, they ought to take the leadership. you know, gene, the last thing a governor wants to hear is the old governor said we ought to do so and so. >> yeah. >> governor, you know you're not a has been. we all know you're not a has been. there was a poll taken in mississippi about six weeks ago and 50% of the people in mississippi said that they would
vote for secession if there's another war between the states. 50%. you say leave it to the people? what is your position though? haley barbour's position. >> my position is anybody that believes those kind of polls needs to learn more about polling. i would be very interested in who took such a poll and what the question really was. because i don't anymore believe that than the man in the moon. >> mike let's try it this way. haley barbour, i got to tell you. it just sort of seems a little bit like a cop-out to leave it to others to decide. either you have an opinion in your heart or you don't. >> well in my heart, i have this to say to you. while i was governor of mississippi, mississippi became the only state in the country to use state money, taxpayers' money to build a civil rights museum. we're building a civil rights museum in mississippi to
commemorate, to celebrate the civil rights movement in our state. and when the freedom riders of 1961 came to mississippi in 2011 for their 50th anniversary, we had an event for them at the governor's mansion at which time i apologized to them for the way that they were treated. and told them what we were doing with the civil rights museum which i think they were very very proud of. mississippi has a higher percentage of its african-american adults registered to vote than new york where you're sitting. we're proud of that record. we're proud of the change that's happened in mississippi in my lifetime. and that's why we're building this civil rights museum because we want people to see the bad that happened so that it doesn't ever happen again and we want them to see the progress that we have made. and i saw that same kind of progress in south carolina. >> it was remarkable. >> really was remarkable. >> it is remarkable.
>> haley -- >> ma'am? >> thank you. shouldn't that flag be in that museum? >> will be. >> okay. and not flying. >> will be in that museum. >> let's talk haley, you know this debate, we could go around in circles all day but we're not going to because i have a feeling that mississippi moves the way south carolina's moving too. i want to talk about your state in another way. we're coming up on the ten-year anniversary of hurricane katrina. you lived that. you've led that while other leaders were running to hide. you were down there. right in the middle of it. how is mississippi doing as we're coming up on the tragic anniversary ten years later? >> well we made a lot of progress. the's some thing that is are -- if you went down to the mississippi gulf coast, by and large, if you are not familiar with the coast, most places you wouldn't know anything happened. right down on the beach, it's a
little snaggle toothed because once there's homes owned by families, maybe they haven't built back. the person living there maybe in their 80s and not building a new home. and which makes sense but our state made a huge comeback. the population on the coast is back to where it was. the schools are great. and i will say while fema rightly got a very bad wrap for the failure of their logistical system, the federal government did a whole lot more right than wrong by us and that's why i've written a book about katrina. it is not a political biography but it's a book about america's great storm and the help we got from our sister states. almost a million volunteers from other states who came to mississippi and registered with different charities or churches. it was only right i think that the worst natural disaster in
american history brought out the greatest outpouring of charity, philanthropy and volunteerism in american history. >> you know, i was over there every day with my church for a month. and it was what i found from across the country was incredible. we went back five years later with starbucks on education reform seeing young people from across america attracted to new orleans like a magnet doing whatever they could to help turn things around. it's been a remarkable outpouring of love and support from across -- >> right after katrina i was in new orleans and went over into mississippi and biloxi and people have no idea of the devastation of mississippi. it was -- it was wiped out as there was -- i remember a huge casino ship that had been moored offshore that was 100 feet 200 feet inland. just crashed down on houses on
what had been. it was a sight that you couldn't imagine. >> haley, i think -- i had thanksgiving dinner, brought my family over to have thanksgiving dinner, the first thanksgiving after katrina. i think it was bay st. louis but there are a couple of towns that were just completely wiped clean. >> yeah. literally, joe, the town of waveland the closest stormcity of eye of the storm did not have a habitable structure standing in that town. gene mentioned it. about new orleans and the coast. new orleans had a different disaster. same storm. but two different disasters. they had the levees broke. we had utter obliteration. as the head of emergency services in harrison county biloxi said downtown gulfport looks like nagasaki in 1945.
a lot of truth to this. >> actually you know it was waveland. ten years later. i'm hardened arteries. i remember walked down by the mayor on thanksgiving day and the mayor says this is where our bank was. nothing was there. this is where city hall was. nothing was there. this is where the oldest building in town was. nothing was there. i mean the people of mississippi, people of louisiana, boy they went through a lot. ten years later, haley, we can't wait to read what you write about that remarkable time. >> haley barbour, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> good to have you on the show. >> thanks. coming up a former u.s. marine is detained in iran while visiting an ill grandmother. congressman dan kildee and montel williams tell us what they're doing to free him after more than three and a half years. we'll be right back. when you travel, we help you make all kinds of connections. connections you almost miss. and ones you never thought you'd make.
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joining us now, former host of the montel williams show for 17 years, a graduate of the united states naval academy, montel williams. also with us democratic congressman from michigan dan kildee. you cover flint. >> yes. >> you have teamed up on something very important. tell us about it. >> we have working alongside with the family freeing a marine held now in iran for 1,394 days. this is the longest held u.s. prisoner in iran. he was sentenced to death going there. you got to understand the story. this is a u.s. citizen born here in the united states. >> amir hekmati. >> served in the united states marine corps. served with distinction. as a matter of fact after the term was over he served as a translator. comes back here to the united states. eldest male in the family. the grandmother is ill. he applies for a visa to go to iran legally. let me let you know.
i served in the u.s. military. is it come if i come? they said yes, come. they arrest him after two weeks on the ground. they charge him with espyionage and sentence him to death. >> what evidence? on what evidence? >> there really was no evidence. the espionage charge set aside with the death penalty. now he is held on a conviction for cooperating with a hostile government which the only fact we have is that he served in the united states marine corps and under iranian law a first generation american of iranian descent they consider him an iranian citizen and under their logic serving in the u.s. military apparently is cause for a ten-year sentence. >> how do we get him snout. >> we have to put the pressure on and really because here's the thing. any person that served in the military, i don't care your national ethnic origin is. say the congressman was german if the german government said i'm gong to arrest you and put you in jail for ten years for
serves in the u.s. military military, are you crazy? the congressman led the way with others in the house to make sure that we pass the bill a resolution last week. you nan mousily. >> wow. mike? >> how much is a bartering ploy for the iranians against us in the negotiations right now for the -- >> congressman, yeah. >> it's tough. probably is we don't want though ever to have the freedom of these innocent americans, there are two others maybe a third, we don't ever want them to be exchanged for a concession that makes the world a less safe place. we have resisted any temptation to introduce the freedom of these americans into the negotiations. the fact that the negotiations are happening, of course provides the space for bilateral discussion that's never occurred before and a fine line to walk. >> we have to say right now, amir himself, this is a marine right here who said listen to me. i don't care what you do with me, do not include me in these negotiations. i will stay here for life.
>> tell me about what you're planning with the family undergoing unspeakable suffering. you're holding a fund-raiser or what's happening? >> yes. if people go on -- it's really going up on give forward.com/free amir, this family is doing this out of their pocket for three and a half years. tomorrow i with members of the family flying over to europe tomorrow spending time in the eu and bounce around until we get enough noise heard around the world to say this is offensive to any country that is have any kind of relationship. if you can snatch a citizen out of another country because of the family lineage, something is wrong here. we are all hawking about going to war. i know right now the country's thinking about other things but as soon as these discussions stop we'll go back to who we go to fight and how many soldiers fight knowing that five years later they could be arrested and put in prison and we won't go get them. >> montel williams, congressman
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>> you can't get married here. >> why? >> well it's foon for pretend wedding when he was kids but katherine mann will not want to be get married here. >> she wants to live a normal life and doesn't know how. >> katherine mann will not want to get married in an old barn. >> i think a wedding out of the spotlight away from the media is just what she needs. >> i am not getting married in a barn. >> he doesn't literally mean an actual barn does he? >> yes. he's trying to protect me from the media offering a chance to be -- >> ordinary? >> all right. that was a clip from the upcoming hallmark channel original "a country wedding" starring jesse metcalf. you're not -- i mean you're a country singer mean but you're a connecticut boy. >> yeah. i'm a yankee. >> the winters up there, talking about the movie, looks fun.
you're a famous country star. you come home to marry your high school sweetheart. >> i'm hallmark's known for great family entertainment. you know? it's a lot of ways some of the tip fare. obviously a story about romance. a story about finding love. but it has another facet to it which made me interested in the project. i sing and perform three songs in the movie. two original songs and one from an old folk singer. and, you know i think that was really attractive to me to get to show people i can do that. >> awesome. >> is it big in connecticut when you were growing up? >> it was big everywhere. >> it is big everywhere. you're right. i wasn't the hugest country fan growing up and obviously since then really become a country music fan and, you know i mean i just love music. singing and playing guitar for ten years. it was a fun role. >> as your career progressed and as there's been this increased appetite from so many different
areas for content, do you find yourself getting more things the look at in terms of choosing parts? >> i think there's more opportunities, definitely. i just recently did something on a digital platform and millennials are streaming television and film now and a lot more television shows and films from deuced and more opportunities. >> talking about the songwriting, so you've done it. you get to do this. and you get to do two of your songs. how nervous were you the first time? >> they weren't my original songs but a lot of work and a nerve-racking principle and had to learn three songs on guitar and be able to sing them and a script. so i mean it was a big undertaking in such a short period of time but i mean i welcomed the opportunity and really pulled you into the world of the character playing, you know, a country music star who has kind of lost himself in hollywood. i could relate to that. you know? he kind of goes home and gets
back to his roots and becomes inspired. >> i teased this by quoting the glen campbell line randomly three hours ago. you got your feet in l.a. but your mind's on tennessee. >> that's it. >> does she get it? doesn't want to be married in a barn though. >> i don't think she cares about what i want. she has a -- like a lot of women -- >> working man. >> but what was the biggest acting challenge in this for you in this role? >> you know i mean i wouldn't say there was many acting challenges. it was really a joy to work on this thing. i worked opposite of a talented actress of autumn reezer and makes this type of movie fly with good chemistry of the co-star. >> all right. from "dallas" to did the desperate housewives" and singing, a renaissance man. jesse, thank you so much for
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but would not answer me. >> what about you? >> that's what i learned. >> what i learned is thanks for being with us. if it's way too early it's time for "morning joe." >> now it is time for the run down. have a great day, everybody. and good morning. breaking weather news overnight. tornadoes across the midwest. take a look at these aerials this morning as the sun comes up over coal city illinois more than a dozen twisters across three states. in total, ten injuries reported. no fatalities. we will have more on the severe weather system and where it may be heading later today in the rundown and the massive search of two convicted killers in upstate new york. first time, the husband of joyce mitchell is talking