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soda mayor and kagan, it must be read as a whole and subsidies are needed for the entire law to function. the ruling gives president obama major victory, cements at fordable care act as the law of the land. he was quick to declare it. >> this is not an abstract thing anymore. this is not a set of political talking points. this is reality. we can see how it is working. this law is working as exactly as it is supposed to. five years in this is no longer about a law. this is not about the affordable care act. this is it health care in america. >> nbc justice correspondent pete williams is live at the supreme court. pete, there are so many things to dig into. first of all, 6-3 and the chief justice. those are surprising results. >> yes.
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everything about this is a bit of a surprise, an dree yachlt even -- andrea. usually the biggies come on the final dave the term. we think we have two more decision days left. the president, it was just june 8th as you recall that president when he was overseas at a news conference began the little rift about this case. he said it never should have gotten to the supreme court. they never should have taken the case. and now the supreme court has given him a big victory rescuing obama care for the second time. as you know in the opinion written by the chief justice, the same person who was in charge basically made the critical vote last time to bail it out on the tochlax question he said it is ambiguous about what the challenger said. he said the subsidies which are critical for the americans are available only for exchanges established by the state. but what the court said is if
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you look at other provisions they're ambiguous. they seem to suggest you get the coverage no matter where you live. if you buy the insurance on the federal exchange and when you put the whole thing together and look at congress clearly meant this thing to function where everybody gets the subsidy whether they live in the state -- a state that has the exchanges or not. the three dissenters were harshly critical of this decision. just an on thissin' scalia said we really should start calling the law scotus care using the abbreviation scotus. he sthed decision and the last one put together "will publish forever the discouraging truth that the supreme court of the united states favors some laws over others and is prepared to sacrifice all the usual interpretive principles that,
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is, prepare to do whatever it takes to uphold and assist the favorites." >> you know, it's very interesting to look back. it was the rush of just before christmas when obamacare, the affordable care act was approved. they messed up. they got four or five words wrong to team to give an opening to those challenging whether these exchanges, the subsidies could survive. and all side supporters thought they would be perfecting legislation as they frequently is. but in the polarized state of our congress now, that was the opening. let me refer to something that you were just talking about. they can push states and markets into a death spiral. it is inplauzable they meant to operate in this manner. so that's the heart of it.
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the whole legal theory is that's what congress meant. the law was written this way to force the states to set up their exchanges. the people who live in your state won't get the subsidies and they won't be able to afford health insurance. that is the theory. that is the theory the supreme court rejected. >> before we let you go this is a big day at the court and major civil rights decision. this is court that went after the voting rights law. but today upheld the fair housing act of 1968. and with the push of the reverend martin luther king jr. this is one of the landmark cases that we remember from 1968.
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>> they said this is a very different situation. that was about whether life has changed enough that the states that are covered by the voting rights act and require an automatic approval any time they change the elections whether we got beyond. that the court says we still have a problem with housing discrimination. and the question here was how much proof do you need to be able to prove discrimination? do you have to have a smoking gun that shoedz whatever decision was made giving a loan where to base subsidized housing, do you have to show that those were made intending to discriminate or it is enough to show that the effective it is discriminatory in the effect? in its impact? and the court said it is the secretary. it's not open season there. but nonetheless, he basically keeps this legal challenge ability in place. had the case gone the other way,
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it would have been a huge setback for the civil rights community. >> and this was justice anthony kennedy writing the majority opinion. >> right. one other thing very quickly. at least two more decision days left. we'll be back here again tomorrow and monday. we don't know what the last day is. we have five decisions left including the big one on same sex marriage. >> and one quick question. on the affordable care act, could there be other challenge that's would get to the supreme court or is the president and are all of the supporters correct in assuming that this is it? >> i think pretty much it is. the remaining questions in the courts right now get to the coverage -- the contraceptive coverage thing. how much of an out do you get if you're a religious institution? who does that apply to? certainly churches. but beyond churches how wide is the ring for people who can refuse to give that coverage. just remember here the recent decision on the hobby lobby case
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that said if you're a closely held private business can you opt out if you think it would violate your religious principles. those are narrow. the huge life or death cases have pretty much basically run out. >> pete williams the tenth justice, thank you very much. >> that's sad. >> joining me now, david axel axelrod, how big a deal is this? pretty big. >> huge. >> you know really think that our community, the political community, the media community, i think it's important to look at what this means for millions of americans who were uncertain whether they would have health care moving forward.
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i ran into a young man that had hodgkins disease and he discovered it because he got health care under the affordable care act and was able to go and get treated for symptoms and get treatment for that hodgkins disease. and he had tears in his eyes. he said it saved my life. tlaen are stories like that i run into all over the country. so we should take a moment and just acknowledge that this was a big victory for young people like that and people across this country who have insurance because of this law. as for the politics this was a signature effort on part of the president. and as pete said this was the last big hurdle legal hurdle to it. so it's a huge thing. there i think it was a big win for the republican party to be honest with you. i think it would be a -- would have been a political disaster for them if the court had pulled the rug out from under this law and tossed this back to them. i don't think it's something that they wanted. so they'll grouse about it but i
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think they're relieved today that they're not faced with that burden. >> of course what we're hearing from the republicans dealing with that more with guests to come is strong criticism. this is federal overreach, dismay at the court. the fact it was 6-3 takes something away. but they're certainly all lined up criticizing this. does this give them an issue for those in the country and perhaps in our polling as many as 25% were against the affordable care act as it's now evolved? those who say it's too much the federal government should not be in this business? >> no that's true. but most of those are aggregate in the republican base. what i think you're going to see in the next eight or nine months are republican candidates a lot of sound and fury from them about this ruling and they're going to say if you want to do something about the affordable care act now we're the last train to stop it.
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but i think after the nam nation settled, you'll see that republican nominee tailor his remarks to a broader audience or her remarks to a broader audience. and say it's time to move on. we should address it. we should not revisit this debate because the swing voters in this country are very much in that place andrea. >> david is it too early to be talking about a lame duck president's legacy now the affordable care act? he can soon mid time july point to what is increasingly majority position, support for the normalization with cuba and reopening of the embassy there. still in play is of course iran and that goes both ways. there's a lot of opposition to it as it's evolved. but also the possibility that he is going to get fast track trade authority, at least he has the fast track authority. but that it will then be fixed with the trade adjustment authority as well.
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>> yeah. no, i think there are a lot of big things going on right now that will speak to his legacy. one thing that is important to remember is eight months ago on the day after the midterm elections, there was creping hung on the white house by many. some people declaring the obama administration dead. you know his effective use was over and so on. he probably had one of the most productive periods of his presidency in the last eight months. and it speaks to the authority that is reposed in that office. his determination to make every day count. and think to some agreedegree and you saw it on the vote in fast track in congress, an awareness on the part of the republican leadership and congress that they have to put some wins on the board and show that they can move the country forward on some issues.
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there are other things moving forward to add to that legacy. i don't see anybody putting their feet up on the desk at the white house right now. >> thank you very much david axelrod. and for a different point of view, an opponent of the health care law luke messer from indiana. thank you very much, remember of the leadership. i want to talk about congress and what they have and have not done. first, do you think congress republicans in congress opponents of the health care law will try again to do something to stop it? do you think there will be other legal challengeors is this a done deal? >> well it's a disappointing day'republican people. the supreme court ignored the plain letter of the law. i think in the courts this may well be over. obviously, republicans in both the house and senate were sent here, elected about it people
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rerepresent to stand up to the president's health care law. i think you'll see congress try to do that both through reconciliation in the budget process and through other policies as well. >> did want to read that part of justice roberts' decision. he wrote, "congress passed at fordable care act to improve health insurance markets not to destroy them. if at all possible we must interpret the act that is consistent with the former and avoids the latter." what do you take from that? >> the congress that passed this law was swept out of office by the american people shortly after that becausest way it was done. i think the clear letter of the law and intent of the law was to force states to create they are own exchanges. but now we are where we are. the court has ruled. i think what we have to focus on are are the people harmed by this law. there are tens of millions of americans who can't afford the high deductibles in the policies. we're advice rating the 40 hour work week with the 30 hour mandate in this law. we need to work on fixing those challenges while we also work on a broader plan that i think
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would work much better than the president's health care plan. >> and the speaker of the house spoke about this as well today. i just want to play a little bit of that for you. >> the problem with obamacare is still the same. the law is broken. it is raising costs for american families, it's raising costs for small businesses and it's just fundamentally broken. we're going to continue our efforts to put the american people back in charge of their own health care and not the federal government. >> that said speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell, other republicans in the leadership have worked with the white house on trade. we've seen that most recently. and there certainly is a feeling among the electorate that they want legislators in both parties to work together.
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are they partly invested in showing that they can lead and get some stuff done? >> there's no question we're about to do that today as you mentioned. the passagest trade legislation that will create the tpa that gives the president the authority to negotiate other trade deals. where we agree, we're going to work with this president. it's going to be hard to find common ground on many of these areas in the health care law because the president is very dug in as well. i'm still optimistic on the 40 hour work week on restoring the fact that everybody in america ought to be able to keep their doctor if they want. there awed to be some areas where we can work together and get good things done in health care as well as other areasst law. >> congressman luke messer thank you very much for being with us, sir. >> thank you. >> and coming up next the political impact of today's supreme court decision on the 2016 presidential field. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.
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and republican candidates are reacting swiftly with denunciations of the supreme court decision on obamacare. does the decision remove health care though as a campaign issue? joining me now with more on the political fallout, "the washington post" reporter. chris, thank you very much for being with us and, julie, julie, you were in the rose garden. was this a real victory lap for the president? what was the reaction from the steenor staff there as well? >> certainly a cheery atmosphere. a lot of smiles hand shaking. the president was taking a victory lap but it was also interesting that he wasn't gloating. he wasn't taking political shots
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at republicans though did he note how many times they have tried to repeal this on the hill and how they tried to push this in the courts. he said that law is working and that this is really getting woven into the fabric of the country. i think by saying that what he's saying to republicans is if you continue to pursue overhauling this law and repealing this law, you will now be actively taking something away from millions of americans and that comes with a lot of policy consequences and big political risks. >> this is what mario rubio had to say. >> i disagree with the decision. i believe obamacare is bad for americans and the country. you have a lot of people throughout today receiving obamacare coverage through a subsidized exchange who when they get to the hospital are hit with a $4,000 bill because they have a high deductible. we're looking for a patient centric obamacare replacement that would allow individual
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americans to buy health insurance of the kind they want from any company in any state in america that will sell it to them. we'll keep working on that. >> marco rubio, of course. marco rubio fighting the fire sirens there. >> we've awell been. there how much focus do you think and his campaign will make on proposing an alternative to obama care? according to our polling and to what politicians of both parties say, it is relatively popular. >> so we know in a weird way, i think we have a tendency to look at this as a zero sum game. if obama won, republicans must have lost. they did to a certain extent. but if you're running for president as a republican candidate, now it's just easier honestly when you're talking about obama care. you can say this is a bad law. you know if i'm elected i'll fight to replace it. but there's much less onus on you to say and because the federal marketplace is now delegitimatized this is what i would do specifically to fix it.
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you can sort of stay in the broad category which is an easy attack. good for republican base voters who are still very opposed. i will say andrea in a general election, i think it is problematic to attack obama care at this point because hillary clinton or whoever it is can say, look there were exactly what president obama said today. 50 votes to repeal it. two supreme court decisions. a 2012 election. this is all news. this is litigated. this is now an even more compelling argument for a democrat to make. >> and something unusual happened in that rose garden. i guess it wasn't in the rose garden. it was inside the white house yesterday. julie pace let's talk about what happened when an lgbt protester, one of the invited guests starting heckling the president. let's watch. >> i told thought civil rights of lgbt americans --
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hold on. okay. you know what? no. no. no. listen you're my house. come on. you can either stay and be quiet or we'll have to take you out. all right. can we have this person removed, please. as a general rule i am just fine with a few hecklers. but not when i'm up in the house. because my attitude is if you're eating the hors d'oeuvres, you know what i'm saying? and drinking the booze, i know
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that's right. >> it's one thing if you're eating or the derves but if you're eating the hors d'oeuvres and drinking the booze -- >> yeah i think we know where obama draws the line on hecklers now. it is hard to hear what the person was saying. he was talking about deportations of lgbt immigrants. and the president typically is pretty patient with hecklers when he's out traveling around the country. but it was clear he was having none of this. this was right at the fop oftop of the remarks. he wanted to give celebratory remarks. celebrate accomplishments of his presidency and he put an end to this quickly. >> that was unusual. thank you so much for your perspective having been there. chris, thank you. and up next the other big case decided by the supreme court today. what the fair housing ruling means in the fight for civil rights and the legacy of dr. martin luther king jr. >> the fair housing act was passed a week that martin luther
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health care is not the only issue that supreme court decided to day. the high court issued major ruling upholding the fair housing act. two years after gutting the 1965 voting rights act, the court upheld fair housing in a 5-4 decision just as anthony kennedy writing for the majority. championed by dr. martin luther king jr. signed into law by libdon johnson, the fair housing act was challenged in texas case. the president and director of the naacp legal defense and educational fund joins me now from the court. tell met impact as far as you're concerned on your advocacy and the importance of the fair housing act in our civil rights
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history. >> this is huge andrea, an such an important decision. i was sitting in the court when the decision was announced today. we certainly breathed a sigh of relief whether justice kennedy announced the decision. you know the fair housing act is sometimes as you and i have discussed the forgotten civil rights statute. but it is such a critically important one. it was passed the week that martin luther king was killed. it was the recognition of the role that segregation plays in the current commission called two societies, one black, one white. in this decision today, a 5-4 decision authored by justice kennedy, he talked about the current commission and he talked very powerfully andrea at the end of his decision about the vital role of the fair housing act and moving us towards an intergrated society. i think in light of not only what happened in charleston last week but the immense racial tension that gripped the country over the last year really since
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last summer when eric garner was killed in new york and continuing on through ferguson so many of us recognize that this is the work that remains undone and that we still are a fractured society. and justice kennedy eluded to that fracture in the language at the end of the opinion. the case came out of texas. it challenged the actions of a texas housing agency that provided low income kachltax credits to be in african-american neighborhoods rather than white neighborhoods, in other words, promoting segregation rather than integration. this is the third time in six years that court has been asked to look at the question of whether the impact standard is under the fair housing act. this case actually went to oral argument and the court decided it and this resounding victory and the court's full throated embrace of the fair housing act is really monumental. >> and by supporting dispratt
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impact, does it apply if other instances and beyond fair housing? >> does it under independent statutes. justice kennedy cited that today. he said we don't paint on a blank canvas. impact is a standard that has strong recognition in the employment context and was upheld by the supreme court in the 1971 case called griggs versus power company. and the employment act recognized by the supreme court in smith versus city of jackson in 2005. this is no fly-by-night standard. the fair housing act has been use ford 45 years and affirmed by 11 circuit courts after pale looking at this standard has been embraced by hud, the agency that enforces the fair housing act and the court cited the fact when they amendmented the act in 1988 recognized the impact standard was being used and they affirmed it. kennedy described the impact
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standard as important because it allows us to get not just at explicit racial discrimination, but at what he called disguised ed anonymous. that is how housing decision ands policy decisions manifest themselves, no the in the explicit racial anonymous that we see so often in the past. that happens toonchts but very often in policies that appear to be neutral but have this discriminatory effect and reinforce housing segregation. >> thank you so much. i think disguised animus is a very legal but also social policy notion as we goerd forward in a lot of different areas. >> i think that's so important, especially in light of what we've been going through as a country over the past week. i think it would have been devastating to sit in the court today and have the court, you know, take out an important provision of the key civil rights statute, especially one
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passed in the wake of martin luther king's death and designed to bring us together as a society. we really feel a kind of redoubled effort is in order to re-engage the issue of segregation. housing segregation is tied to so many issues that relate to the economic empowerment and vitality of african-american communities. it's not just about can't we all get long? it's how do we build economic strength for african-americans? much of our economic stability really still exists through homeownership. and we have to begin to get at the ways in which segregation disables african-americans from being able to build economic wealth. >> thank you very much. a very important week as we go through the mourning in charleston. i know you're going to be there tomorrow. >> yes. >> this is a very important case indeed. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and up next we'll talk to one of the people who helped write the landmark health care
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law upheld by the high court today. we want to show you this picture from the "new york times" photographer stephen crowley. president obama and vice president joe biden in the oval office today. crowley tweets the clock in the oval office stopped at 10:10 a.m. moments after president obama was informed of scotusaca ruling. ♪ building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen. this is what we do. ♪ that's the value of performance. northrop grumman.
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on in decision day from the supreme court, we want to give a shout out to the unsung here roefz our breaking news coverage forget running the bulls. this is the real adrenaline rush for news junkies sprinting to carry the decision from inside the supreme court and run it out to reporters including our correspondent pete william. the mvp, of course is nbc news intern sam gringlis if the university of michigan. you get the gold medal in our relay event, sam. joining me now to talk about the
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decision that the interns brought to the cameras, dr. imanee emanuel. so some say we wouldn't have gone through this if congress didn't add things you about it's a done deal. >> very impressive ruling it's a total victory for the president and for the law. and for the country. it really prohibits and excludes additional lawsuits and any subsequent administration coming in and saying irs decided that these are really not subsidies. we don't have to give the subsidies. the interpretation is wrong. what he said is this wasn't about a regulatory agency interpreting it. it's about reading the whole law. when you read the whole law, it's clear that congress intended to solve a problem of health care access and not to exacerbate it which is what
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would have happened had the plaintiffs won much it's really a pretty broad endorsement of the aca and the law. i read the group of people working on the law itself whom did not recognize that four words could have been interpreted differently as to whether the exchanges had to be federal exchanges. you were involved in that. is this sort of retro actively or is that in the heat of the moment? i did any of you think it could be interpreted in both ways? >> as i and many commentators said over and over no one thought it could be interpreted any other way. they never sned a footnote well if in fact you can't get subsidies in those state exchanges run about it federal government. so everyone who is doing it was writing the law and
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participating thought that these federal run exchanges would be operated just the same in term of the subsidies as the state exchanges. i might add if you look at the law and hear justice breyer in the oral arguements that phrasing in the key part of the law says when the federal government establishes such exchange where such exchange refers to the state exchange so the idea there is that they were establishing the state exchange but operated by the federal government. >> zeek you're part of a major urban university hospital system. when you see this in practice, what is your take away as to how it is working in effect especially for large numbers of communities, low and middle income communities. >> as i go aren't country and, you know people recognize me and know that i've been involved in the law, a lot of them come up to tell me stories about
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friends or their own family who have gotten important services because of the law. one guy actually at my brother's re-election victory came up to me and said you're more important because my friend got a heart transplant because of the affordable care act. thank you very much for doing it. and i think this is all over the country. you have millions and millions of people getting coverage being secure that they're getting coverage and getting health care and finding out they have hypertension or being treated for diabetes that they weren't being treated for. so not immediately. it will take a while for us to see, but part of it is that a lot of people are getting coverage. it is transforming the whole system. so we're already the university of pennsylvania and many other hospitals making a lot of innovations to deliver higher quality care at cheaper settings. and again, that's happening. it's going to take ten years to fully implement but by the end we'll have i think, early in
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the next decade we're going to say wow, this law really transformed the american health care system for the better. >> okay. zeek emanuel and to respect to the person that came up to you in chicago where your brother was being elected. i know that he would not think that you're more important than he. i know that going in. >> very important. he was critical in passing this law, lit's be serious. without his understanding of congress this law would not have happened. >> thank you very much. and joining me now, white house communications director jen socky. >> hi an dree yachlt. >> good to see you. >> great to see you. >> this is a big victory. we've been looking at the pictures of the vice president and president in the oval office. tell me from behind the scenes what was the reaction? >> well there's no question there was some high fives and hugs and maybe even some happy dances. i'm not going to name names today around the white house when this decision came down.
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you heard the president talk about this. this is really about the american people. the millions of people who now don't need to worry about their tax subsidies being taken way. the 16 million people who now have health insurance over the last five years as a result of the affordable care act. so this is about moving forward. and that's what we're looking forward to do doing after the court case decision today. >> our friend and colleague over at cbs tweeted that the speechwriters prepared two speeches for the president today, one win and one lose and he had written on the text we don't need this one, brother. >> you always need to be prepared. that is the role we play in communications and being prepared for any outcome. as you know, we didn't know when this decision would come down. we didn't know what the decision would be. but we're certainly thrilled that the president was out there able to deliver a set of remarks on how this is going to help the
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american people continue to have access to affordable health care, prevent people from being denied access to coverage and improve our coverage around the country. so i think that's the set of remarks he was looking forward to giving today. >> speaking of victories, the house just concurred in the senate passage on trade. so trade authority assistance has now been passed as well. so you have fast track. now you have the assistance moving towards some big victories alockng the way. is this a lesson in how things can work if you work with republicans or if they work with you? things can still get done in the final couple of years? >> there's no question. there is a lot more work the president wants to do. whether i came back to the white house a couple months ago that, is a conversation we had about all the things he wants to do over the next year and a half. trade is certainly one of them. he believes the economy has changed. globalization is happening. and what we need to do is compete with the rest of world
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and make shurg thating sure that china is not writing the ruldz of the world. the ttp needs to be closed. congress needs to have a chance and american people will have a chance to review that when made public for 60 days. certainly we think trade and promotion authority moving forward is a positive step for our economy and for the working people of this country. >> jen psaki, thank you. >> it s thank you. >> and coming up more on this big day from the supreme court. senator chris coons joins me next.
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>> i'm hopeful this 6-3 decision by the supreme court will set aside at long last the endless partisan attacks on the affordable care act tchltz not a perfect law. i've introduced bills with both republicans and democrats to try to fix some of the minor issues in the bill and strengthen the law going forward. but this decision by the supreme court today gives some real reassurance. there were about 6.4 million americans in 34 states who were relying on the tax credits that were at issue in this case. to make health insurance affordable for them and all of the mill yovenz americans have to be breathing a sigh of relief today. it is my hope that republicans will now take this opportunity to begin working with us to strengthen the affordable care act and make sure that it works better for america and is more sustainable and more affordable rather than continuing constantly to try to repeal it. so let's hope that this supreme court decision today, which is a big deal means that the
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affordable care act is here to last and we're going to begin working in a bipartisan way to make it work. >> and senator, the tl is another big issue you've been looking into as a member of the senate committee. there are more hearings yesterday and today on the cyber intrusions. the allegations supported by some of my sources that the white house, the administration really down played it. this they were aware that there was a second big breach. that the xourt formssecurity forms were breached and the number may not be 18 million, could it be as high as 32 million people current, former future employees, diplomats, intelligence officials. what is the scale of this problem? >> well we're very concerned about the scale of the problem. part of why senator bozeman and i held a hearing on the appropriation subcommittee that we -- where he's the chairman and i'm the ranking, was to get better answers out of director of the office of personnel
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management where this hack this breach occurred. we don't have all the information, i think, we deserve. one of the specific questions i was pressing is about federal law enforcement. i've heard from agitated concerned, angry folks who are federal law enforcement employees who are worried that their families might be at some real risk. as you mention, there is also folks who were either diplomats or part of the intelligence community or who applied for roles in the federal government here and overseas whose records really might be at risk. we don't finally know the scope and timing of these different breaches and the reporting. that is something we're going to be continuing to work hard on andrea. let me also just mention that there was a second decision today that's not getting the same attention as king versus berwell but there was a housing decision relating to a challenge from texas that really is important that upholds a decade's ole standard. >> we did do -- i just want to awe sure
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assure you, we did a lot of reporting on. that we had a legal expert on that case. it is indeed a major decision to uphold a 1968 law that was passed in the aftermath of dr. king's assassination. so we are very invested in. that i want to play a little bit to have day's hearing with john mccain and the head of the office of personnel management which is widely derided for her management of this. >> have you met with the fbi? >> my associates have met with the fbi. >> your associates, have but you haven't? >> no. >> why wouldn't you when there is a -- there's a clear situation here of an allegation by the most respected law enforcement agency in america, 18.2 million. you're alleging that it's 4 million. wouldn't you sit down with the director of the fbi and sat american people need to know especially those 14 million between 4 and 18 million that may have been breached? >> is she up to fixing this problem?
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>> i'm sorry, say that again. >> is the director on top of this enough to fix the problem or do they need to bring in a whole new team? >> i think they face a significant challenge in opm. senator bozeman and i pressed her very hard about both the operational and managerial challenges and funding challenges. in order to fix the i.t. problems that they already identified, they're asking for tens of millions of dollar more. i do think there are legitimate concerns and questions that i've raised and other senators have raised as just played. b. the forthcoming nature of opm's responses and about the scope and timing of the breaches. so there's going to be a lot more investigating to do. and a lot more hearings to come. >> thanks so much senator coons. building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen. this is what we do.
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hi everybody. a huge supreme court win for president obama and his administration. his health care law surviving a legal challenge thanks to the conservative chief justice this time saving the affordable in the affordable care act. >> today after more than 50 votes in congress to repeal or weak thn law, after a presidential election based in part on preserving or repealing this law, after multiple challenges to this law before the supreme court, the affordable care act is here to stay. >> so the court voted 6-3, chief justice john roberts writing the majority opinion. he said congress passed at fordable care act to improve health insurance markets not to destroy them. if at all passossible, we must interpret the act that is consistent with the former and avoids the

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