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this morning, my question: was that the president's best week ever? plus the world's biggest pride celebration after a historic victory. and the human rights crisis right in our own backyard. but first, the flag did come down, if only for a brief time. good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry, and today the congregation of charleston's ame church continues to memorialize the nine members who died when they were gunned down last week during a bible study. later today, the church members will gather for the seventh time in less than a week to say goodbye to one of its victims, the reverend depayne middleton
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doctor. we have word that vice president biden is in attendance. as they continue to deal with their unimaginable grief, the nation continues to question us in the wake of this week's deaths. where do we go from here? how do we emerge from this better than we were and who will be the receivers of that change? the confederate flag was first flown atop the state house in 1961 to commemorate the start of the civil war, and maybe also in a way of responding to the civil rights movement. there it remained until 2000 when a compromise with activists pushed for its removal. the confederate flag was moved from the top of the capitol dome to a less prominent space on the courthouse grounds, and later, less seen as a symbol of heritage and hate, thazhas crystallized to a symbol of the
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man who took their lives. calls for a complete removal of the flag has intensified as its presence on taxpayer-funded state grounds has become untenable. in a watershed moment in south carolina populist politics some of the earliest concessions to those demands to remove the flag have come from some of the elected officials who previously opposed them. on monday governor nikki haley who didn't want to remove it had a change of heart and added her voice to those who said it had to go. the south carolina legislature who originally voted to raise the flag now voted overwhelmingly to open the debate for it once and for all to come down. friday in his eulogy for emanuel's pastor and south carolina state senator, clementa pinckney, president obama praised this choice.
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but it also must represent equality in all its constructive forms. president obama in response to those questions, what must we do and who will do it? but the responses we heard from all of our elected officials were still mostly talk. yesterday another group of people responded with action. early saturday morning, the confederate flag on the state house grounds did come down not by executive order or legislative process but at the hands of one woman in a courage, conviction and upper body strength. that is activist brie newsome, scaling the flag pole and accomplishing the work of more than five decades in a few minutes. after removing the flag she and fellow activist james tyson were arrested and charged with defacing a monument. but two of them were not acting alone. the dramatic moment was the end result of a planned non-violent direct action an organized strategy from a group of
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activists who said in a statement, we took this task in our own hands because our president, governor, mayors legislators, and councilmen had a moral duty to remove the flag but failed to act. we could not sit by and watch the victims of the charleston massacre be laid to rest while the inspiration of their deaths continue to fly above their caskets. there wasn't just one activist standing by brie newsome while she was on that pole she had the support of a movement. a movement that understands what barbara ransby reminded us of the lessons taught by ella baker when she wrote recently in "color lines," while some forms of resistance might be reflexive and simple that is when pushed too hard most of us push back even if we don't have a plan or hope of winning-organizing a movement is different. it is not organic, instinct active or ever easy.
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if we think we can all get free through individual or uncoordinated small group resistance, we are kidding ourselves. the work to provoke that change continues. joining me now, paul friar, professor, and christine, professor at new york university. kahlil, and beth fuey senior editor of msnbc.com. first i want to go to columbia south carolina with the north carolina-based activist group behind rhettthe removal of the confederate flag yesterday. can you tell me about the planning or organizing or choices that went into this decision? >> well good morning. so behind the plan it just started as a couple activists going into a room serendipitously and having a conversation about what's going on today in our country. it was decided, hey, this is not
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right. this is not okay. and our legislators and the people who are supposed to be defending us as countrymen are not doing their job. so we realized hey, let's really go back and look into the past in recent history and see if our judicial system and systems that are in place actually really go for and support minority decisions asknd voices in this country. we realized it did not, so we moved accordingly. >> is that flag flying just over your shoulder, and i think there are a few things about why this flag is troubling while watching it flutter in the breeze behind you. talk about what this symbol means for activists like you and others clearly working on policy but also seem to care about this. >> this is a sign of the people. it's a sign of intimidation and overall white supremacy.
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it kind of decriminalizes white racist americans when they commit hate crimes against people of color, especially blacks in this country. it was a side of intimidation where you come out. this is not a symbol that represents true american values if we want to talk about that. >> don't leave. stick with us for a second. i want to come out to the table for a moment. stan i want to ask you to weigh in on the same question of what this means as a symbol. in part because as i've talked particularly with young people about this i've heard two different things. one, this must come down, this is chrisritical, it must come down. on the other hand what difference could it possibly make a flag coming down. >> i think it's important to talk about that idea that this is a symbol of white supremacy and race intimidation that you see every single day. and what does it mean to experience -- we talk about policy, but we need to talk about the sort of objects that circulate in our lives and impact us. so the objects that demean you on a daily basis.
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i think that's one of the really critical things. i think the other thing she really points to is that people have been talking about how quickly this all happened. it didn't happen quickly. this has been the work of activists -- in some ways brie sort of symbolizes the years of people who tried to climb that pole and take it down. >> it feels fast but it's in fact, not. it's been decades. kahlil i wanted to come to you on this as well because it was so important to me that there is a movement that allows this moment to happen. it's easy in the land of social media to think, there is the massacre, there is the president saying words, there is one woman on a flagpole taking it down. how do we make sure what we're doing here is recognizing there is a movement happening? >> we continue to give voice to the people who are actually doing work on the ground. from every community to missouri to oakland to pockets of alabama and south carolina all wait to the movement in north carolina people are working. they're strat jazzegizing, their
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working, their studying. the byp 100 project, it looks at the lives lost of mexican students at that crisis there along with the black lives matter movement. so those of us who are in a position to lift up that work and connect those dots and make sure people have a sense that they're part of a larger movement by coalition building is exactly what helps that movement continue. >> let me come back to you on this, because obviously the internet is now introducing us to brie newsome as well as introducing us to you and the tribe. but newsome is herself a long-time activist. both of you north carolinans like i now am and i wonder about the ways this connects to not only black lives matter but also to the rural mondays movement. >> can you repeat that? i'm sorry. >> how is the work of the tribe connected to not only black lives matter this kind of
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national movement often of youth but also to the moral mondays movement. >> we have collectives of non-profit organizations and groups who do work separately. at a time we stop working individually and work collectively, as a larger entity to move black lives, poor people people of color forward in our communities. that's the work we do and that's how it connects. it's the movement of the grand, large people not just the single activist who feels they can change the world. it's a collective effort. >> paul let me come to you as the idea of the collective as opposed to the one charismatic leader. she's trying to say ella baker didn't say no leaders, she's saying no world view here. >> that's the tricky piece, how do you -- on the one hand you want a movement and you need a movement that has organizers and has some amount of leadership that is able to sustain things
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and at the same time you can't have that captured. this is barbara ramsey i think, captures it really well saying there is a tyranny of hierarchy and a lack of hierarchy. how do you keep that tension together? to turn up barbara ramsby she says we need to keep our eye on the bigger picture which is systematic and social discrimination. how do we piece these together take the flag take black lives matter, and put this in a sustained goal. >> i have to ask, i know brie's bail was posted last night. do you know anything? is she well is she safe? >> she's doing well she's safe. we got her out of south carolina but she's doing well. she's taking it easy she's, like, really getting into seeing the support that she's had. she's just taking the time to cope and process everything.
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she did make a great leap of faith here and did an amazing thing yesterday. >> she did. she did an absolutely extraordinary thing. >> thank you for joining us, ta tamika lewis of south carolina. it makes a difference that you were here to pass on brie newsome's work. >> thank you. what cannot be missed in all of this is the politics that plays out in south carolina. for that we're going to bring in the chair of the south carolina political party, next. your mom's got your back. your friends
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the truth of the matter if it had not been for the shooting, that flag would still be flying. don't let anybody tell you otherwise. the people of charleston, the ame church mother emanuel church basically pulled at our soul and how do you go back in
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that church and say, in spite of your desires, we're going to leave your flag flying when you represented our state far better than anyone could ever hope to do? so it's a reaction to this shooting, and if it weren't for this shooting nobody would be talking about this. >> that was south carolina senator and republican presidential candidate lindsey graham who supported calls for the removal of the confederate flag at the south carolina state house less than a week after his initial comments of, quote, it works here. now, it's possible that what could be interpreted as a flip-flop on the flag may come back to haunt senator graham in the primaries next year but the south carolina republican who may have made the biggest impact with her statement on the confederate flag isn't someone who is even in the running for president. >> for those who wish to show their respect for the flag on their private property, no one will stand in your way. but the state house is different. and the events of this past week call upon us to look at this in
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a different way. today we are here in a moment of unity in our state without ill will to say it's time to remove the flag from the capitol grounds. [ applause ] >> joining me now from columbia south carolina is republican consultant katen dawson. katen, why is that flag still flying? >> melissa, i don't think it will be flying long. this is a stand-alone event. the pain you see in the hearts of south carolinans and i watched you and craig melvin do a tremendous job reporting, because i do think you get it when you saw our communities come together and really i can't underestimate the amount of pain and emotions behind this. it's now a stand-alone issue. there is nothing in there confusing what south carolinans want and are getting ready to
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do and i think early next week as late as two weeks from now, because of the process of moving the laws out of the way to take this down. a flag moved from the state house grounds to the top of the dome from ernest fritz who was governor, a flag that was given as a gift when he was running for president, south carolinans have had enough. there is nothing confused about what this is about now. there is no other industries that funded to keep it up to defeat a republican governor, so i think the right thing will happen and it could happen as early as this week. >> beth i want to come to you on this because it does feel like if not a swift, certainly a seismic shift has occurred, such that republicans running for president, and one who i think is running for vice president in governor haley, have now called for the flag to come down.
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>> it is a seismic shift. it's a wonderful thing to see this be completely bipartisan. to many people unfamiliar with this issue until this week to see it led by republicans, frankly. nikki haley standing there with lindsey graham with other leading republicans in her state. if you were just coming from mars now, you would think this was a republican-led issue. it's great to see both parties come together and be so unified. my concern is it is a bit of a shiny object. it's something everybody is having an easy time getting around. where is the policy change? i want to see katon dawson and others talk about lifting the restrictions to vote. why are there so many restrictions to vote including in your state. >> katon, there was a pro-flag rally also yesterday. i don't want people to think everybody is behind this.
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i want to show you this for a moment and ask you about what we hear. >> i'm here to support what i believe needs to stay here is my southern flag. if they're going to take that away, they need to take away the one thing they claim brings back slavery memories? that memorial is there because this flag has nothing to do with anything other than our right to have our soleitude. it's pure and simple. >> i don't know what's going on i just know i'm not going to allow it to happen. >> i have long made the claim as a southerner that the issue here is not about race as important and painful as race is that the issue is about the civil war in which the confederacy was defeated and that we simply do not fly the flag of traitors over taxpayers' government grounds. i'm concerned in part that the
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sovereignty language is state rifling which never gets challenged if it becomes only about a question of open acts of race. katon? >> melissa, i think that it was easy to take the picture of those people a handful of folks up in front of the monument. i don't think that's reflective of the movement or reflective of the hearts and minds of people in south carolina. >> you don't think the state's rights is reflective of the people -- that the belief that the state is sovereign over and above the federal government, or at least next to it is not a fundamental question generating conflict in our country? i'm not talking about the race piece per se or separate and apart, but the sense that states can make their own decisions, no unification language. that seems to me what we've been talking about for sick years. >> let's separate the two issues and maybe that's hard for people to do but certainly south carolina has never been
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affectionate to the federal government any way i've ever remembered. i think you would agree that north carolina and louisiana come down the pike but not with the federal government telling us to do anything. then you put civil rights into it and the whole dichotomy that comes into that -- i'm still trying to focus on the flag coming down and there's other work to do. state rights are an issue, but i have it separated in my mind today focused on the one issue of removing the flag the pain it caused in remembering the senator and the eight other families that will be impacted forever from this event. >> katon dawson i always appreciate when you join us. you and i have long-term respectful disagreements, and on this i have to say i want to see it come down too, but i want it to come down in recognition that the south lost the civil war, that they are not sovereign, and the federal government was established as what the united states of america is back in the 1860s. i worry if we don't manage that
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that some of what beth talked about here in terms of voting rights and other things don't get addressed around that shiny object. katon dawson from south carolina, thank you for joining us this morning. the latest on the escapees in new york the president's eulogy and the biggest pride celebration in the u.s. stay with us. [ female announcer ] it balances you... it fills you with energy... and it gives you what you are looking for to live a more natural life.
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move on to go back to business as usual. that's what we so often do. to avoid uncomfortable truths about the prejudice that still infects our society. to settle for symbolic gestures without following up with the hard work of more lasting change. that's how we lose our way again. >> i just want to point out as the president is talking there about losing our way again with the symbolic piece, arsonists have struck black churches in the past seven days. we are very focused, as we should be, on this massacre but throughout the south black churches once again are being burned or at least attempts to burn them. i mean this feels, you know i guess ka guess, kahlil, if you know history, this feels scary at this moment. >> it does. but before we move to the madness that is being unleashed
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because this is the reaction to the reaction. i do want to key on a word that president obama just mentioned: business as usual. because i think part of the context we have to lift up in siloing the conversation about the flag is also about the economic situation of the south, and the resurgence of the south as an economic leader in this nation. the fact that boeing is there is no accident with regard to governor haley's own sense of the future keeping in mind that boeing left seattle as a result of living wage claims to increase the economic mobility of working class people. i think it's also important that governor bentley of alabama, who is welcoming google to the state, said that i'm not going to let a flag get in the way of a job. so the business of america has always been business, and business can be agnostic in these moments to help the politicians move in certain directions but lie over the
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fundamental questions of policy and equality. >> i feel you, and i guess i always think two things about that like the main color's green issue, is that we know from america's history of segregation that there is a willingness to actually pay to segregate. so my colleague and friend blair kelly rigt about thewriting about the turn of the century movements, people saying i'll just shut the whole streetcar and lie down. it isn't that business absolutely overwhelms. i get that it changes the context, but i worry it doesn't get us to -- like boeing may want the flag down google might want the flag down but they don't necessarily want living wages -- i'm not saying they don't, but that's not the same kind of campaign that's occurring. >> you also saw that around religious liberty, these efforts to allow people to opt out of performing gay marriages or helping gay couples with their weddings because it would impinge on their religious
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freedom. huge push-back in indiana, companies all over the country saying, nope we're not doing this in indiana anymore, we're leaving. states are terrified and they will do business based on those choices. that's all great, but again, it's one thing that kind of goes away once people stop talking about it. in fact, other states have gone ahead and got some religious freedom legislation themselves. that didn't draw the same sort of adjunctiva that indiana did. if the policy doesn't change those exciting issues don't resonate. >> it's interesting that instagram and twitter and other social media -- it's not just the cameras because the cameras are not controlled anymore. up here in new york you have the "washington post" writing about the challenge of the burning of the confederate flag as part of what's going on in viral media,
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and bity the way, burning the confederate flag is legal. we saw activists burning the confederate flag in a park in chicago, in new orleans in lee's circle, so there is also this symbolic work that doesn't have to be tied to an activist community. >> we were talking on the break about the monuments and all the names of streets named after confederate generals and there is a kind of infrastructure of racial violence that people can now speak to and respond to in kind of interesting ways because of social media. it gives them ways of sort of placing themselves and intervening on those debates. but the other point about income and about google and being there, i feel like one of the things that's business as usual is we need to connect neoliberal policies of today with the history of white supremacy and racial violence and i think one of the issues of the south, and i think activists are trying to make this connection all the time, is that the labor laws today there reflect the generations of stolen labor, stolen slave labor. >> there is a reason why there
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are so many unions in south. >> the theft of wealth and the theft of labor for generations that created the wealth that has created the south's economy, that needs to get continually connected to this debate so that when we talk about the current issues for a livable wage that there is a story about that livable wage that's about labor theft, generations of labor theft. >> everybody who is on my panel right now is going to be back a little later in the program, but before we go to break, i do want to just note that the funerals are continuing for the victims of the church massacre and vice president joe biden is among the mourners attending the funeral at the emanuel ame church this morning. much loss in the biden household recently so you can imagine why he is there. when we come back the latest on the lone remaining escaped convict in upstate new york. we'll bring you that next.
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we have an update on the manhunt in upstate new york where convicted killer and prisoner escapee david sweat remains at large. fellow escapee richard matt was shot and killed by federal agents on friday after nearly three weeks on the run. matt was shot just 30 miles from the correctional facility near the town of malone. joining me now from malone new york is nbc news correspondent chris malone. does police believe they are closing in on david sweat at this point? >> reporter: hi melissa, there is no official word how police are feeling this morning, but you have to imagine as we near the 48-hour mark since they killed richard matt on friday when they really believed that they were hot on the trail of david sweat that now they must be a little bit discouraged that they haven't located him in the two days since. this perimeter that we're standing at the northern edge of is some 2200 square miles of new
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york, and they're using a thousand officers trying to keep this area under containment. they said they had reason to believe that sweat and matt were traveling together so when they killed matt, they thought they would find sweat nearby, but in the past two days there just hasn't been any sign of him. this morning, the activity we're seeing, and granted we're only seeing a small part of the picture, but we're starting to see officers go north of malone and do some searches here just north of the perimeter. you have to imagine that police are starting to wonder where sweat is at this point. >> thank you, chris pollone in malone new york. what is expected to be the biggest gay pride parade in the country begins this morning. this occurs after the supreme court ruling on friday allowing
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same-sex marriage in every state. what is expected there today, emma? >> reporter: hi melissa. we are standing here on this raining sunday morning along fifth avenue for new york's annual gay pride parade where in just a couple hours millions will gather to celebrate lgbt equality. this has been going on for ten years, but obviously this year's parade will be especially historic because it comes just two days after the supreme court's historic ruling legalizing marriage equality across the u.s. organizers are expecting 22,000 marchers 344 groups and over 2 million spectators. here with me now are three recent high school graduates who traversed the hudson river at 7:50 a.m. just to get a good spot on the route. rosie mina tell me what friday's event meant to you? >> it was amazing, just having that support from everyone it makes today even more special. it definitely was not a shock
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because in this era we have a lot more advocates than people protesting it, but it was amazing. i'm definitely happy about it. >> and brandon maddox, how do you feel about being here today? what are you looking forward to about the parade? >> i'm happy to be here. i'm looking forward to seeing the floats and the happy people watching the parade and i can't wait to go to the street fair and hang out with my friends, and it's going to be fun. >> reporter: this is known as the gay pride parade but it is officially the gay pride march because there is still work to do. >> absolutely. obviously this year that little reminder by the supreme court of moving toward first class citizenship makes it a celebration as well as an act of the continuing struggle. thanks to emma and we'll check back with you later in the program. but before we go to break, big sports news. the u.s. women's soccer team is headed for the semi-finals of the world cup. the team advanced after carly
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dominican officials say those unable to register and who do not have identity documents can be deported. haiti and the dominican republic share the caribbean island of hispanola, and they have often shared a troubled and brutal history. in 1997 under the dictatorship of julio, he has deported thousands of immigrants. that has sparked protests by haitians in the dominican republic as well as right here in the united states in miami. those who risk deportation include haitian migrant workers, dominicans of haitian descent born in the dominican republic decades ago, and those who have lived in the d.r. their entire lives. why is this happening and what can be done about it? that's next. re like the poster child for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal... until your insurance company jacks up your rates. you freak out.
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they've never had this in the first place, it's impossible for them to prove they were born in the country as far back as 1940. >> i'm here as the dominican conscience to speak up against this law which is against dominican republic rights. >> they spoke out against the threat of deportation facing scores of haitians -- dominicans of haitian descent in the dominican republic. the government imposed a june 17 deadline for haitian descent to register with dominican authorities and many are looking at this as the first move toward deportation. joining me now is france francois spoex dskesperson, and edwin polina and author of
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"dividing hisspaniola" which comes out this fall. i hate to use this word deportations, people fleeing the country as a result of these round-ups. what do you think is going on now? >> i think the government knows national media attention is on them so they won't do widespread deportations. what you're seeing is clandestine deportations at night, people being coerced to leave and threatened taking their license away. in reality, these people have no other option. >> help me here to understand the role that international media might play. on the one hand you're saying there is a strategy on the part of the d.r. i wonder if u.s. media or general national media are playing into that strategy. >> well international pressure has been very helpful. now, i don't know if you know that this week the dominican government just issued -- said that 55,000 of those that were
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stripped of their papers would receive the papers to become citizens. just this week 55,000. but it remains to be seen if that's going to be implemented. but we know the international pressure is helping to shed light on this issue. >> i think part -- kahlil that's important to me is to try to think about how much of this is specific to these nations and how much of it is about an anti-blackness that may be invisible to us as americans looking on to hispaniola as an entire island. how much of this is about the dominican republic and haiti and how much of it is about race. and maybe that's the wrong way to think about it. >> i think some would reject the framework slightly. haiti, no question is arguably the blackest independent nation in the western hemisphere in terms of its historical
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significance and has definitely shaped for the last 150 years in this country ideas about what black people are capable of in self-government. it shot what the empire means in the western context. i think you have to acknowledge that and accept it therefore, people are always responding to the idea of haiti. i think that's more important. but particularly i think globalization is stirring up trouble all over the world, and people are moving in terms of being -- in search of economic asylum in places whether it's western europe relative to the middle east whether to north africa or the caribbean nations. in that sense it may transcend anti-blackness in a way that we think of it as a u.s. binary. >> i think it's important that you bring up this question of sort of haiti, even the imagined haiti, in part because it actually is even related to what's happening in south carolina. the idea of denmark vesse's
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attempts to spark a rebellion, the way that was received in the united states is connected to a haitian revolution. but i'm not sure people on a day-to-day basis in this country understand our connection to haiti and the d.r. and the ways in which american politics and american economic influence is related here. >> yes. i think one of the things that's really important to understand is that the u.s. actually colonized haiti and the d.r. for a period of time. however, what we're seeing here is the u.s. has exported this migration issue and military policing abroad. so the dominican border patrol has actually received millions of dollars worth of training equipment and drones from the u.s. government. but the anti-black binary that you're speaking of doesn't necessarily apply to latin america, because a lot of people don't view themselves as black as we define it here. >> and yet there is this question that feels to me not
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unlike the papers please aspect of arizona law where you can go in and see people who are haitian and ask them, and what does that mean if it doesn't mean some sort of racial profiling? >> absolutely. i would not be deported or targeted in the dominican republic. i have lighter skin. i have that privilege there. so it is at some level, about blackness and targeting black bodies. but i also want to kind of pull back in terms of to connect what's happening in south carolina and the united states aperture. it's the cradle of blackness in the americas the first time africans became liberated, right? and they have a long history of collaboration with haiti, right?
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most of the history has been collaborative, right? so why is it now that the world sees this history solely as kind of an adversary relationship and the self-evident truth. they used to say there is no self-evident truth, but the self-evident truth is dominicans have always hated haitians which exists at a timeless notion. >> as opposed to connected to some set of more recent history. >> anti-haitianism is very deeply rooted in the d.r. and it's a political tool. what we haven't noticed is it's election season in the d.r. and the easiest way to drum up your base in the dominican republic is anti-immigrant therefore anti-haitian sentiment. >> thank you for taking us there, because that idea there is electoral incentive, there are political incentives associated. thank you, france francois and
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welcome back. i'm melissa harris-perry and it has been quite a week for president obama. if you believe all the things out there on social media, you might say this has been the president's terrific all-good very good week. and yes, it was a big one. but as always president obama and his legacy are always a bit more complicated than surface appearances might convey. on friday president obama delivered a eulogy that was heralded as one of the most impactful public speeches he's ever delivered as he remembered the reverend pinckney before
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thousands in south carolina he used the moment to reckon america with its history and to start talking about taking down the confederate flag. >> it would be one step in an honest accounting of america's history. a modest but meaningful balm for so many unhealed wounds. >> but before you think he's found the secret formula for effective dialogue across the racial divide it's worth remembering at the start of the week, the president started to talk in complex ways about race but found that no one could hear past the one particular word that he used. >> and it's not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public that's not a measure of whether racism still exists or not. >> this week president obama stood in the rose garden to lob the supreme court's decision
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making marriage equality the law of the land. just four weeks after his justice department stopped defending the same-sex marriage act. they even lit up the white house to celebrate. but to remember the president's position on equality and to remind us that vice president biden came out on equality first. but the president will also be allowed to fast track trade bills for the years after his time in office ends. but the win came at a cost. the president angered many in his own party from progressives to house democratic leader nancy pelosi who vigorously opposed the trade deal. but the biggest win of the week seems undeniable. the supreme court upheld again president obama's largest, most important domestic policy achievement. the affordable care act.
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>> and today, after more than 50 votes of congress to repeal or weaken this law, after a presidential election based in part on preserving or appealing this law, after multiple challenges to this law before the supreme court, the affordable care act is here to stay. this was a good day for america. let's get back to work. [ applause ] >> still, as uncomplicated as that victory may seem the reality is that republican policymakers are still vowing to repeal obamacare the second that he waves farewell from the south lawn on january 20 2016 and others refuse to expand medicaid. a lot of people are calling it president obama's best week ever. but it's more complicated. it's more difficult than that.
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his presidency was historic from the very beginning. and this week added to his legacy in substantive and meaningful ways. but there is no one history, no one legacy no one story of any president, maybe especially for president obama. joining me now, paul frimer christina beltran, kahlil mohammad who is director of the schaumberg center and beth. this is a little bit of pure politics in the sense of heralding a president as having this great week but man, still at some cost. >> yeah i think this week we saw the president that his most ard ardent supporters wanted to see from his support around the confederate flag to his trade
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rights being preserved, to same-sex marriage to the beautiful eulogy in south carolina. there's no question it was a wonderful week. but it's still complicated for him. we have the same president who came out the week before this past week to talk about the charleston shootings and he basically said there is nothing i can do about gun control. the politics of this is out of my hands. he basically threw up his hands as one of the most challenging things this nation faces. you said people are still blocking the affordable care act, and people who need this care can't get it because republican policymakers are blocking it. we were reminded of this over what was arguably a positive week but not perfect. >> this is the president obama people have been waiting for. there was a little swagger with joe biden behind him. you expected him to say this is a really big f-ing deal or whatever he said about the aca initially.
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you could see that happening. but at the same time i wonder if in our desire to see presidential swagger, we miss that there is still -- he is still in a constrained office. >> absolutely. as you said this is much bigger than obama himself. and i think that actually will be the legacy of his legislation, is bigger than himself. i would add one other interesting complexity to him. another big moment for him this week was when he said not in my house, to the heckler. >> i'd like to play that because i have a very different take on that. but let's play the "not in my house" for a moment. >> hey. listen. you're in my house. you don't start -- nope nope. >> you heard the cheers from the crowd there, but i do want to remind folks that the president was calling out a transgender, undocumented woman of color and that it actually is inn't his
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house. but it's my house. it's our house. it's actually the people's house, and i'm down for talking tough, but i don't know to the most margeinalized person in the room how tough that feels to me. >> that's part of obama's legacy is this incredible complexity. on the one hand greatness. add to that greatness thrust upon him that he's able to do something with and on the other hand first he's the president of a multi-international, corporate, military empire and he has moments like this which show great insensitivity and, you know an inability to kind of see certain intersections that we would hope he might do. >> it's odd that in just days now following that friday eulogy to think of the president as insensitive where he showed such great empathy, such a capacity to do the rhetorical work of tying us together as a united
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states. but that moment was one -- less about him, but also more about the cheer that goes up from the crowd, our enthusiasm about seeing this president who has been so embattled fight back but i'm thinking, that's not the person i want you fighting back against. wrong target here. >> i think what's so interesting about obama, watching him this week i was having these moments of saying wow, when he's gone i'm going to miss this. i'm going to miss that there is an african-american man in the white house, an african-american family in the white house, and yet i also am a conflicted person on the left who feels frustrated about drones deportation, whohorrible history with whistle blowers, and one of the things that makes it so hard is he is an intellectually thoughtful person and people like george bush or reagan you weren't sure what they were tracking, but with obama you know the depth of what he is thinking and the quality of his mind, so when there is a
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failure, it hurts in a particular way, and it's been harder as a progressive to wrestle with that than it was with other presidents. or like clinton where it was like a bad boyfriend. you kept getting sucked in but you're like darn it. >> and like those other boyfriends, he won't really leave. it's interesting you make this point about the president as the intellectual, because i will undoubtedly miss having the black family but i also will deeply miss -- although we may have an intellectual president next time it's hard to say how this will work out, but i see him sometimes tap into intellect like the moment of selma. he has access to literature a kind of signed post of it that make the good moments really soaring. >> i want to say yes, and i also want to say that we saw the ghost of joe wilson the south carolina congressman, and jeremiah wright this week. by that i mean we see the president speaking back in a way he didn't six and a half years
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ago -- >> he's yelling at her but he's really saying -- that's what we wanted to do: joe, shut up! >> in the way that he delivered the pinckney eulogy was really jeremiah wright arriving into the fullness of his grandeur. >> we wanted him to say it about -- >> we're not going to let him get away with diminishing that what he channelled in that moment was what he learned in trinity church. >> because as much as he talked about the black church as a space where children learn these things, he did not as a child. first lady obama, yes, that's her story. but where he learned that where he figured it out, you're right, is under the tutelage of jeremiah wright. kahlil, you cause so much trouble! i want to say thank you for the panel sticking around because we're going to ask this question: what's the right of white people when fighting for justice in america?
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early yesterday morning a 30-year-old community organizer from south carolina scaled a flagpole and took down the confederate flag. this was not undercover at night. it was in broad daylight, out in the open direct action non-violent protest by an activist who fully understood her actions would be sanctioned. brie newsome would remove the flag, quote, in the name of god. then she was subjected to arrest. brie began to trend nationally on saturday morning. let your eyes drop a bit below ms. newsome's awesome climb to see the man standing at the foot of the flagpole there in the vest. do you see him? because when brie newsome scaled the four-foot fence to get the
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flag she was not alone. when she began her 40-foot climb, she was not alone. someone went with her every step of the way, spotting her, helping to ensure her safety waiting below when she sdenddescended with a flag of hate. that person was arrested also along with brie. his name was james tyson. while america spoke in disgust at the violence in their names, while many stood in solidarity with the black people in their week of mourning the question was asked, what should white people do? joining me on my panel now is whitney dow, director and producer of the whiteness project. we were all loving mr. james ian and his spotting of the black woman as she led this action but i thought, hey -- by the
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way, he's an ongoing activist himself. i wonder if there is something to be learned there? >> i think there absolutely is and it's funny, i just did a bunch of things in texas for the whiteness project last week and one of the things that keeps coming up with people that i speak to people that care about social justice, people that care about things white people don't know what to do. they really don't know how to take action. and i think it's -- i think that it's this real question of feeling powerless. they feel powerless when they see this. so he gave a good example of what you can do as an individual action, but i think it's also recognized that you don't have to go to the base of a flagpole and take down the confederate flag to take action. one of the things about recognizing the structural white supremacy and structural races with this country is once you kind of see the matrix that exists, it's kind of empowering because you realize you can take steps every moment of every day. every interaction you take with people allows you to actually impact the system. >> you know it's tough for me
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to hear and paul i come to you on this the idea that white folks feel powerless about dismantling racism. in other words i hear you honestly reporting that right? so it's not a push-back against you on that but it is a -- like -- in order to kind of get the wounds open here a little bit, like i hear that and i think, well who would be empowered then paul? >> well obviously, who has power is really complicated. certainly as white people we have -- you know we have more privilege within power, and whether we can use that i think we can use that privilege to help, you know eradicate power and fight it. whether we have our finger on it is harder you know to figure out, but i think -- it's a complicated situation to figure out. certainly throughout the civil rights movement whether it's freedom riders or what happened in mississippi.
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there have been important white activists and these have been cross-racial movements. at the same time you know it's a very complicated part of the process because we are part of that privilege. >> i keep thinking about our friend james ian newsome here who is wearing the safety-colored vest and the hard hat, and i missed him the first couple times i watched it because i thought he was an official, and i kept thinking i wonder if that's strategic. i wonder if in fact by standing there like that he gives her time to go up because in part it looks like we're officials over here in a way that only whiteness could convey. >> and i think it's fascinating in the way he can then -- i mean, my friends who are committed to these issues, we know a lot of people at this table, people talk about it's sometimes white listeners can hear a racist act and say, that's not cool. or you can be somebody straight who hears something homophobic or transphobic and you can
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intervene on that subject. you can be a voice inside and i think that's -- >> that's not being too individual. i guess, again, part of why we were playing around with the newsome guy is he's an actual activist, right? i'm worried when we ask that question, the what can we do what should white folks be doing, it becomes what people do in their individual world as opposed to well white lawmakers, you could end voter suppression. >> i think that's a great point, because it is the policies that ultimately undergird the racial equality and disparityies that exist in our country. if white voters are not motivated to listen to black people talk about their experiences in ways that are informed by policy choices that they are co-signing on then all of the kind of tolerance training in the world is not going to change the day-to-day reality. i want to lift up nicholas kristof's work about a year ago where he wrote repeatedly in the "new york times" that whites
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just don't get it, which was kind of the infrastructure of white mythology -- >> but he didn't get it when he told us mike brown was an insufficient person behind whom to build a movement because he wasn't a clean victim and we should have done it behind tamir rice. >> if we can't agree, how can white people get it? >> stick with us. mike and i are going to argue about kristof on the break and we'll talk about this after the break. what's your dad want for it? ..like a hundred and fifty grand, two hundred if they want that tape deck. you're not going to tell your dad about the time my hamster had babies in the backseat, are you?! that's just normal wear and tear, dude. (vo) subaru has the highest resale value of any brand... ...according to kelley blue book ...and mitch. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. americans drink 48 billion bottles of water every year. that's enough plastic bottles to stretch around the earth 230 times.
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it is time to acknowledge our past atone for our sins and work towards a better future. that future must be built on symbols of peace, love and unity. that future cannot be built on symbols of war, hate and divisiveness. >> that was south carolina state senator republican paul thurman calling for the confederate battle flag to come down.
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don't miss it paul is the son of segregationist strom thurman. he ran for a state rights candidate. there is an interesting piece, whitney, in solon immediately after the charleston shootings that suggest that part of what happens is we just don't talk about white violence in the same way, and there are some questions we could ask. what if we said is there something wrong with the white family? what should politicians do about white crime? what if we asked when will white leadership step up and stop right wing domestic terrorism? we don't even use discourse like that, and sometimes it is just the naming of whiteness itself that is part of what must happen. >> what's part of this whole thing that i believe is the organizing principle of the world is the denial of what you know to be true right? that's kind of the reality, especially when it comes to issues of race. i think language is really
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really important. and symbols, we were talking at the break about the symbolism of taking down the flag a symbolic act versus attacking structural racism the idea that this event by this individual, and a lot of people wanted to say, this is a lone wolf this is not connected to anything. and i would say i agree there is a difference between what happened in mckinney, texas or what happens in ferguson or what happens in charleston but how you talk about it is really important. >> i think that that idea of the lone wolf unconnected is an important distinction in how we talk about, for example, if someone who is muslim commits an act of terrorism and violence like this we don't immediately say, oh that has nothing to do -- in fact we immediately work to connect it to a global set of realities as opposed to what happened in this moment. i don't think that this one individual should indict all of white people. i do think that it should indict white supremacy, right? and being able to connect
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whiteness, which obviously in part of your project is from white people i think is part of what becomes difficult in this work. >> yeah. and white supremacy is something that we participate in even if we are not individually guilty of and that's what we need to recognize, there is a responsibility that comes with privilege. and that's true of all forms of privilege but especially is being light. that is the responsibility i have have, that we as whites have, to understand be understand, to be aware. the kristof that came up earlier, i think there is a tendency to try to create awareness but also not to listen. there is a responsibility to listen, to be humble to be wrong, to learn. instead you sometimes see whites -- and this is where i think there is a problem with activism, is they come in and they want to take over. and that's the delicate balance. >> i thought there was real value in a piece that kahlil wrote this week it was, and
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remains, necessary for white women to decry the violence that is done in our name. it is on us to dismantle racism with just as much commitment as we dismantle sexism for one cannot happen without the other. it was interesting what happened in that church we said you rape our women, and kahlil stood up and said nope you will not do this violence in my name. thank you to my panel. up next a mother imprisoned struggling to protect her child and facing deportation. ♪ don't let'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks ♪ boys? ♪ mamas, don't let your babies...♪ stop less. go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in and you can get 0% apr plus a one-thousand dollar volkswagen credit bonus on 2015 passat tdi clean diesel models.
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jails. nan he says she came to the united states on a visa in 2002. then she entered into a relationship with her child's father. jesse testified in court that he is a war veteran who suffers from ptsd. in 2009 he left the u.s. and returned to south korea, taking her daughter with her. according to court transcripts provided by nan he's trial attorney nan he left the u.s. because her visa had expired. she took her child with her, because, quote jes is he wasse was not safe for my baby. for five years they lived in south korea. jesse did not know where his child was. when nan he landed in america last july she was arrested for abduction charges and she was convicted of child abduction. she was taken into custody by immigration and customs
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enforcement, or ice. nan he is still detained and faces possible deportation. her current attorney told us this. we contacted ice and a spokesman citing continuing litigation. jesse admitted this quote, i grabbed her by the throat by the right hand and i threw her up against the wall. and she's a lot smaller than me. despite the incident, jesse was awarded full custody of their daughter. he offered us this statement via his family law attorney. quote, i have no intention of separating our daughter from her mother. i know my daughter loves her mom very much and i hold that bond as sacred. i'm concerned about the story miss jo has told at trial and the story her reporters continue to tell. she told the court under oath that she was a victim and i was an abuser. not true at all. i vehemently denied those accusations. joining us from chicago is the
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spokeswoman for the korean coalition to end domestic violence. and also right there, clearly together, is zach night iningnightingale, who is her attorney. was nan he abused by her child's father? is there any way for us to sort this out? >> i think that's a really good question. sometimes sometimes in domestic violence cases, it can feel like a he said, she said thing, but nicky do feel there was domestic violence by the testimony. and she called police on two separate occasions because she feared the violence that was happening, but unfortunately in both times, police never wrote reports. >> wouldn't nan e be protected under violence against women protections if in fact she is a survivor of domestic abuse and
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assault? >> so she is actually in the process of trying to benefit from the existing domestic violence laws that are meant to protect immigrants both men and women, who are the survivors of domestic violence at this time. one of the problems she's facing is because she continues to be detained by ice, it's particularly difficult to process those cases. she's trying to do so isis is making it particularly difficult. >> when you say that ice is making it particularly difficult, and we heard at least via this statement by the child's father that he is not interested in keeping this mother and this daughter apart, and yet they're apart. is this about the sort of relationship or is this about public policy that is keeping this mother from this child? >> unfortunately, it appears that ice, when they make their custody determinations, at least
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in this case is not concerned at all about the well-being of the child. they are -- they do not take into consideration the fact that there is a mother and father here and the child's best interests, i think everyone can agree, would be to have a relationship with both of those parents. instead ice has detained her with no bail sort of treating her as the worst of the worst for, as you said going on a year in two different locations, first in the criminal case and now in the immigration case when really we think they should be considering what's the best interests of the child? and that's absent. so i ammmigration detention is not supposed to be punitive so it seems like it's acting like a deterrent in this case. >> this point about the best interests of the child, earlier this month he was able to exchange letters with her daughter for the first time. in one of them we have her daughter writing, i love you, mom. when i sleep, i dream about you.
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part of the reason we wanted to shed some light on this story is the very human costs here of our very broken immigration system. >> unfortunately, the human cost the financial cost all of those seem to be the lowest priority for ice when they make these determinations. i mean clearly from a pragmatic perspective on taxpayer dollars, it makes no sense, and as you just indicated from a human standpoint, it makes little sense that they're separating a mother and daughter a mother who wants to be clearly a part of her life isn't going to go anywhere, wouldn't be a flight risk. it's irrational and absurd. >> what is next now for nan he? >> she has multiple cases open right now. she is awaiting an immigration hearing in august and has family
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cases as well. her main priority is getting to stay so she can reinitiate contact with her daughter. they have not seen each other at all for almost a year. it's approaching a year an anniversary on january 29. they are exchanging phone calls and nan he hopes they can continue phone calls for whom she misses a lot. >> thank you for keeping our attention on this. still to come this morning, the organist who took us to church right along with president obama at friday's eulogy.
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-- new york's rikers island without ever being committed of a crime. he was charged with stealing a backpack, a charge he denied. backlogs and delays by attorneys kept him waiting and waiting for a trial. according to browder, his time was marked by prison guards as well as fellow inmates. he spent about two years in solitary confinement. his charges were eventually dismissed and he was released. that was two years ago. but life after rikers was never the same. in an interview with the new yorker browder said he felt like he had been robbed of his happiness. two weeks ago, browder committed suicide, and rikers holds about 11,000 prisoners on a given day, many of them awaiting trial. that includes hundreds of 16 and 17-year-olds who are tried as adults under new york state law. last year a federal civil rights investigation found that inmates at rikers undergo a deep-seated cultural violence.
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this year mayor de blasio and others implemented new things among them new limits on use of force, pilot program to test body cameras for corrections officers, computer system to track use of force by officers thousands more security cameras and federal monitor to oversee reforms. they also have the right to keep teenage prisoners out of rikers altogether. is it a success? is this a win? >> definitely a step in the right direction. however, someone who spent the year on rikers 20 years ago and experienced exactly what we saw in that doj report, i would argue that it's not enough. the thing about rikers what it doesn't turn out in public safety it turns out in human an carnage. it's really about the culture, about the facility itself.
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we're urging the mayor to decentralize the jail to put people back in their communities, to shut down the plant, hold officers accountable, bring in treatment, mental health services other sorts of treatment and essentially realize that this sort of culture is so engrained and so pervasive not as just said by me but the correctional commissioners that there is no fixing rikers. there is no reforming rikers. >> you were here two weeks ago and you made the point very strongly at that time we're seeing federal monitors and that sort of thing here but this is a mayoral issue, that de blasio could, with sort of autonomy make some real choices that might even include shutting down rikers. >> first of all, rikers does not stand in a vacuum right? there are many jails around the country that have similar problems. in this case the mayor can quickly take the young people in particular off rikers move them into the empty ocs facilities to keep them out of harm and have a
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long-term plan to close rikers. i'm not saying the mayor's plan is not in the right place, i think they are, but other people have direct responsibility for making these decisions, and we're spending $160,000 per person per year so it's not about money. we're already spending the money. >> we've talked a lot in the past week and a half about how the murders in south carolina create martyrs that actually allow us to potentially talk about meaningful social political reform. it feels to me like kalief browder could do the same thing. justice kennedy actually talked in a recent opinion about browder specifically. is there a moment is there an opening here for solitary confinement reform for rikers reform, for a broader set of reforms when we're looking at this suicide that clearly was brought on by the trauma of the experience of rikers? >> 65 million americans have a
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criminal record on file. we have a criminal justice system that is out of control. what kalief browder's story does is to humanize it for americans, and i do think is creates a moment for americans to stand up and realize this sort of criminal justice system can no longer exist in our name. what's particularly useful about the response to what happened in south carolina is the fact that the victims themselves are not calling for the death of this young man but instead are essentially being much more nuanced in their thoughts about what should happen to him, and for too long america has become addicted to punishment and we should really care about what victims want. right? that's what should partially drive our criminal justice system. what do victims want? the current justice system doesn't respond to that because i would argue that it is for the people to never do it again, and places like rikers ensure they will do it again. >> the victim would have what
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stolen a backpack? he was never convicted, but even if he had been it was about stealing a backpack! >> the punishment is in the process, right? so even if he would have been found guilty not guilty whatever you have to ask yourself, is three years on rikers, a place so full of danger for young people the right sort of punishment for taking a backpack? >> three years anywhere. i'm sorry, but that -- why would the deprivation of liberty be a reasonable response to something like that? >> so it is 10,000 people on rikers island, over 80% of them are just like kelief. they're not convicted of anything. we need bail reform we need it now, because that's a big part of why these young folks are there. you can make the bill 800 or 8 million for low poverty people it's the same thing. >> let's hope that step in the right direction keeps moving. thank you to glen martin.
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minutes from now, just down the street from where we are here in the nerdland studios in new york city is set to begin the annual pride march billed to be the biggest pride celebration in the world. given the news out of the supreme court on friday the 5-4 ruling making marriage equality the law of the land today's turnout is expected to be particularly big and jovial. along the parade route for us this morning is emma margalin. where are your people? >> where are my people? hi melissa. where are our people? yeah, we're minutes away from the start of this year's pride parade. i guess you can't see them but i can see them. they're lining fifth avenue
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anxious to start this year's celebration. this parade has been around for a while, but this year's will be especially historic because it comes just two days after the supreme court decision. organizers are expected over 2 million people to come this year. joining me now are two of those people kathleen fitzgerald and alicia micken berg been together 19 years and married for ten years. they drove down from provincetown, massachusetts to join the celebration. alicia what was your reaction to the ruling on friday? >> we're so excited. we love provincetown but want to be back in native new york to celebrate. we had to come back just for this. >> reporter: kathleen, when you got married ten year ago did you think we would be here ten years later celebrating nationwide marriage equality? >> i couldn't have even imagined that. i didn't know how long it would take to get to am moment but we're standing taller and
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celebrating around the country who can have the federal benefits that my straight brothers and sisters have in their marriages. and i think we stand on the shoulders of all of the proud, brave, lgbt activists and plaintiffs and lawyers. thank you. they brought us to this day and i couldn't feel more proud and happy. i think it's a brand-new today and hopefully all of the people across the country will get the rights they deserve, including the people touched by south carolina. that's part of this whole thing. i feel like it's the arc of justice is bending towards freedom for more people in america. i couldn't be more prouder today. >> a lot of pride along fifth avenue today and anxiously awaiting the parade. >> i greatly appreciate that connection there that was made with south carolina with the continuing realities of needs for civil rights for all people say thank you to your guests there and thanks for being out
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there, emma. >> thank you. >> now, there's one more thing i want us to get to this sunday morning before we go. that's something particular that happened friday afternoon in charleston south carolina. during president obama's eulogy for reverend pinckney. i can't imagine anyone who does not know that the president broke into song during the eulogy but just in case here he is. >> amazing grace. amazing grace. ♪ amazing grace ♪ ♪ how sweet the sound ♪
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♪ that saved a wretch like me ♪ -- >> and the person i want to bring in next the organist. you just heard the president singing to help create what had to be one of the most extraordinarily moving movements any of us have seen in a long time. charles miller joins me now from charleston south carolina. i understand, mr. miller you just played another service? >> yes, melissa, let me say it's a blessing to be on with you here in the midst of what's going on. >> i also understand that you personally lost a family member in the massacre at mother emanuel. >> yes, daniel simmons was my
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cousin. it's been a very trying time for the family. >> yet, that moment of having an opportunity for all of us to along with our president sing the words of amazing grace was made possible in so many ways by your role there on the organ. at what point did you realize the president was in fact not just going to speak but had been moved by the spirit to actually sing? >> melissa, it was a very chaotic moment. i was there talking with several of the other musicians at the time and we were trying to figure out, what we should do. and so i just -- trusted on god and said a prayer and just let the spirit lead me at that moment. >> it is a tradition and one that was so familiar i think to so many of us who worshipped in black churches that moment of that organ swell and yet i wonder, were you at all ret sent given that was the president you
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were going to be accompanying there? >> i guess it was all very unorthodox something that hasn't been done before. proverbs tells us to trust in the lord with all your heart and lean on your own understanding and he would direct your path. he directed my path. along with the other musicians as well because i wasn't by myself. and i just thank god we were able to be a blessing at this time of need in the city. >> your ability to take the path the spirit led you on on friday is in part because you are a trained musician. can you tell us about how you became an organist? >> i've been playing since the age of 5. i'm 33 now. so my family is filled with musicians and ministers in the ame church. music has been a vital part of our lives. my mother also plays as well.
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so never a day goes by that music and singing praise unto the lord was never -- not a part of our daily worship or daily upbringing. >> did you have an opportunity to meet the president? >> i'm sorry -- >> did you have the opportunity to meet the president? >> no ma'am, i really didn't. just kind of in the moment in doing that's what musicians, that's what we do, just there to accompany on the service. the moment kind of came and went and we kind of went into doing other things in the service. >> charles miller in charleston south carolina thank you for joining us this morning but more importantly, thank you for sharing your gift. it was a healing gift. we appreciate that you were there for that. that's our show for today. thanks to you at home for watching. now it's time for a preview of "weekends aalex witt". >> better you anything he had to
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play by ear and transpose the key. we didn't know what key he was going to sing? >> i'm not sure what key he was singing in. >> very impressive musician you just spoke with there. authorities tighten the perimeter on the search for a prison escapee, a new report details the shape mitchrichard matt was in. terror at the water park why so many had to run through flames to safety. look at that. plus taking credit for the historic same-sex marriage ruling. did hollywood play a role? the movies that may have helped changed the minds. don't go anywhere, we'll be right back. on? ♪ hold on for one more day ♪ really? hey, i know there's pain. why do you lock yourself up in these chains? ♪ ♪ this would be so easy if you had progressive. our mobile app would let you file a claim and help you find one of our service centers where we manage the entire repair process. things will go your way if you hold on. [ sighs ]
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