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ree-week manhunt for a pair of escaped killers. 35-year-old david sweat is hospitalized this morning in critical condition after being shot by an alert new york state police sergeant. his improbable run from the law came to an abrupt end by sergeant jay cook who nabbed sweat about a mile from the border with canada. >> i personally think that sergeant cook might have been the last united states citizen to view sweat prior to him crossing into canada and if not for the action, the heroic measures he took to apprehend him, it would be an entirely different and lengthy investigation going on today. >> state troopers involved in the manhunt were given a hero's welcome near the clinton correctional facility in dannemora, new york. they're breathing a huge sigh of relief now that sweat has been captured and richard matt was shot and killed on friday. stephanie gosk has the latest from constable, new york where
david sweat was captured. good morning. >> good morning, sergeant jay cook was patrolling these rural roads very close to the canadian border by himself. he didn't have a tactical team with him he didn't have an automatic rifle. he was alone, and officials say because he was alert and because he was such a good shot this 23-day manhunt is fiepally over. david sweat is hospitalized in protective custody in albany after being shot and arrested sand afternoon, just a mile from the canadian border and 30 miles from the prison he escaped. according to authorities, shortly after 3:00 p.m. jay cook saw a suspicious man joshing down a road. when confronted sweat ran across an open field and cook opened fire to prevent him from reaching a heavily wooded area. >> bang bang. >> the end of the manhunt coming close to michael doil's window. >> where have never seaver 40 or 50 cop cars and 300 or 400 guys ss
ss run up the road with knuns. >> sweat was shot twice. skikd 16 miles south and two days earlier, richard matt was shot and killed by police. autopsy results said matt died of three gunshots to the head. it's not known when or where the pair split up but sweat's dna was found on an object not far from where matt was killed. >> it was a picnic style pepper shakers, and we believe that possibly these two males were using pepper to throw the scent off of the dogs who were tracking them. >> relief and celebration was evident in governor andrew cuomo spoke publicly sunday night. >> the escapees have been dealt with. you couldn't have a better ending. >> investigators are very eager to question sweat. he's really the only person who can put the pieces together about how that incredible escape took place just over three weeks
ago. cnn actually spoke to sweat's mother who said she, too, is glad he was taken alive, but she also added had she seen him herself, she would have turned him in. >> thank you for that update. time to bring in msnbc contributor cliff van zandt. nice to see you. i was convinced these guys would go out in somewhat of a blaze of glory. shocking that no one was hurt as far as members of the public or law enforcement, never any kidnappings, robberies, carjackings, what not. did that come to a surprise as you that this is how it ended? >> not necessarily. if they wanted to avoid contact with police, by and large, they needed to avoid contact with the public. the public in that area is kind of a force multiplier. everybody to include law enforcement has been leaning forward in the saddle looking for these guys. there's a lot of eyes out there, and of course what brought this to a conclusion is when it's
alleged that matt shot at a vehicle, a camper the driver of that camper alerted authorities. they moved in quickly. they encountered matt and then of course they found evidence to suggest that sweat was in the area. so even though they were looking in this 6 million acre area all of a sudden it condensed to a couple miles and they were able to find him. >> thanks to new york state police sergeant jay cook who is being commended as far as how he went about in capturing sweat. is that pretty much textbook as you would put it? >> well i think it's very interesting. just like richard rudolph, the so-called olympic park bomber. we looked for him for five years. hundreds of law enforcement officers, and it was a rookie cop who caught him dumpster diving looking for food behind a convenience store. one officer stopped him. in this case 1300 police officers out there looking forguy, one sergeant doing his job out there, did what he had to do. people are saying wait he shot
him and he didn't have a gun in his hand. in new york, there is a fleeing felon law that says if someone has committed a felony you think he may do it again, you think he may escape under the color of law, you have the right to stop him. and realize, here you have sweat, thinking like he's going to finish a marathon he's going to get across into the canadian border this one sergeant stood between him and escape. and stopped him. >> it is crucial here from filling in the blanks as david sweat himself. investigators are eager to hear from him. once that happens, we'll hear from you. thank you as always for the perspective. we're going to turn to the crisis that has stock markets plunging around the world this morning. greece's entire financial system is on the brink of collapse. its banks and stock market closed today and the rest of the week, and it's having a ripple effect across the rest of the globe. kerry sanders is in athens. what is going on that has a lot of people rushing to the atms there in greece?
>> right now, people are anxious because they don't have access to their money. they can't go to the bank and withdraw. the banks have been closed now, and they will be closed for probably the next five days. that could even extend beyond that. the reason that they closed the banks is because there has been a rush on the money, on the euro attempting to take as much money out. so they were concerned about solvency. what they have done is said that the atms will be open for people to withdraw money. there's only one problem with that, the atms have been hit, all the money is gone so they have to replenish the atms. when they do assuming they do they will allow only 60 euros do be withdrawn a day. that's about $66 a day. so there's a sense of high-stake urgency among the populous here. the president here has decided that in this decision on what is going to happen next he'd like to turn it over to the people to vote yes or no.
that vote will if it follows through, will happen next sunday. and so there's a lot of people who quite frankly say that even good friends and family members are getting into arguments about what the next step should be and how they should proceed from there. >> especially when money is involved. i know the banks will remain closed until the referendum on sunday into monday. kerry sanders in athens for us we thank you again. again, the stock markets in the u.s. opening at the bottom of the hour. we'll be watching them and bring you any big developments. >> new developing this morning at the supreme court, just under 72 hours since the historic 5-4 decision in favor of same-sex marriage on friday. this morning, all eyes are on the high stz court in the nation as the nine justices are expected to deliver three more opinions on lethal injections, redistricting, and mercury regulations. pete williams is back at the supreme court for us. we know the nine justices can't top the blockbuster decisions
from last week. what should we expect this morning from those three decisions? >> i'm really thinking about whether all eyes are on the supreme court about mercury pollution regulation. a charming thought, but probably not. i can't remember the last time the supreme court term ended without one of the big decisions on the last day. but that's not true this term. there are three still important cases. one is a challenge to the system of lethal injection that oklahoma and some other states are using. the challengers say since the state can't get the first drug that's supposed to knock the inmate out and make it so they can't feel pain the drug the statestituted isn't effective, and they feel intense pay, they writhe in agony, and that's cruel and unusual punishment. the second case is an attempt to do away or at least reduce the partisan gridlock in congress and state legislatures by taking the power to draw congressional and legislateive districts away from partisan legislatures and
give them to independent commissions. the question is whether that violates the constitution, and the third is the all exciting epa case. it has to do when the epa calculates the cost of what a pollution regulation should be. should it be before they choose which pollutants to regulate or afterwards? i can guarantee whatever happens in that case it's not the last chapter on the epa's authority. >> not the last chapter here and regardless of what happens this morning and those three rulings, let's talk about this based on what happened last week. the roberts course really changing its legacy with the blockbuster decisions. >> certainly, this term is going to be one of the most liberal in years. you had the health care decision the marriage decision. reenergizing the fair housing act that bands housing discrimination saying that restrictions are okay on
judicial elections. states don't have to put the confederate flag on their license plates. so this certainly this term was a liberal one, but if you look back at say the ten years which is ending of chief justice roberts' time as chief justice, it's a little different picture. this has tended to be a very pro-business court. it's vilified by the left and honored by the right for the decision that his court gave in the citizens united case and taking much of the power out of the voting rights act. so next term we'll see. there's some abortion decisions pending. we may find out as early as today whether the court will get back into that issue. same with affirmative action same with gun rights. we have a long way to go before we know what the legacy of the roberts court will be. >> for now, a little bit of a break for the justices and possibly for you. we appreciate it. thank you. you bet. >> in just a few minutes, we'll be joined by the man at the center of the same-sex marriage
case, so he'll be with us then. for now, we're just getting started on this monday edition of "the rundown." still ahead, terror in tunisia, most of the dead killed on a beach were british. the prime minister there planning a response. plus another setback for spacee after its supply mission ends in an explosion shortly after launch. what happened there? a live report from cape ku canaveral canaveral, florida, straight ahead.
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tourists. at least 30 of them britons. he pledged a full spectrum response to one of the deadliest terror attacks on uk citizens since 2005. there's a growing concern ahead of july 4th weekend after intelligence sources tell nbc news of possible isis-inspired terror attacks. these were voiced before a series of terror attacks in africa europe and the middle east. joining me now, a fellow at the council of relations. thanks for being with us. i want to start with the 600 british counterterrorism police deployed to help investigate friday's attack in tunisia. what do we know about the investigation so far? >> i think the investigation is getting under way. this has been all over the british media where they're really talking about this as the largest investigation since july 7th, 2005 in terms of trying to find out exactly what happened,
who did it and the other issue that's been incredibly difficult is finding out exactly who the victims of the attack were because so many were beachgoers and as andrea mitchell reported it's difficult to know who they were because so many people did not have identification as they were at the beach at the time and sunning themselves. >> stand by with us here. i want to bring in christopher dickey, foreign editor of the "daily beast." i want to ask you about france. we learned 12 imams were expelled since the beginning of this year because they don't want to tolerate, quote, preachers of hatred. talk about how effective that is at all. >> well i think the basic effect of that is to drive the jihadists and would-be jihadists further underground. there's always a tradeoff on this kind of thing where it's a political statement to expel people like that throw them out of the country, but from an intelligence point of view the reason that they were identified, the fact that they were identified meant that the
french intelligence services were monitoring those mosques already. so it's a little bit cutting off your nose to spite your face and calling it protecting the people. >> gale back to you now. i want to talk about the attacks in tunisia, especially when you factor in the instability in places like syria and elsewhere in the middle east as a catalyst for sort of these attacks and kind of cause and effect. is that what we're seeing? >> it's fascinating because you can counterterrorism but it's much harder to counter an ideology. two and a half years ago, i was doing interviews with administration officials and they said we have a policy and it's called containment. we just don't want to call it that. what you're seeing now is really stretching the limits of this policy and whether an ideology whether a group like isis schhas taken advantage of the vacuum and of the conflict in syria, really is something that can be sustained. you have uk military leaders, others saying we have to do more. you have folks in the united states now talking about boots
on the ground to an incredibly war-weary public and we're seeing the limit tashzs of the policy. >> it's time to revisit that we're seeing this momentum here especially when we talk about attacks in kuwait france tunisia, all claiming to be isis-inspired. chris, to you, especially knowing how strong isis is with their propaganda on social media, are they only growing in strength and is this a testament to that? >> well you know isis has been in a lot of trouble on the ground in the caliphate that it tried to establish in syria and iraq. it's under pressure on a lot of different fronts. but it's a very how should i say, creative organization. when they are under pressure in a conventional military sense, they strike back either with hit and run attacks elsewhere in the region or with terrorism in the west. the whole idea is to give this notion that they are everywhere all the time. you know, if you look back a few
years, the heyday of al qaeda, they would only carry out huge events because they thought those were the only ones people would really pay attention to. now, you have one disgruntled worker who beheads his boss and puts a few islamic flags around it, around the decapitated head and the nexz thing you know it's an international incident. so they have lowered their standards for what they call terrorism, what they want to commit as terrorist acts. that means really nobody is safe anywhere anytime. they're going to hit soft targets whenever and wherever they can. >> lowering the standards and increasing the concern and possibly even fear. especially here at home with that concern of a fourth of july. to both of you, thank you very much for putting that into perspective. appreciate it. and now after the break, we'll zoom through some of today's other top stories including a live report from cape canaveral, one day after spacex's latest supply mission ended in disaster. plus, a plane crashes into a home in massachusetts setting it on fire with a family inside. we'll fell you what happened
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developing this morning, one big question for nasa investigators today, what went wrong? yesterday's unmanned spacex mission was flawless right up until it wasn't. it exploded in a fiery ball just minutes after it was launch said. there are new questions about supplies for the iss and the future of private space companies. tom costello is in cape canaveral, florida. good to see you. so much hope for spacex and then another setback here. >> yes, nasa is this morning, and spacex this morning are asking the people who live along the florida coast to be looking for any debris. if they see anything call authorities to have it turned in. but spacex founder elon musk tweeted they're still looking for the cause of this eexplosion. why did the spacecraft come apart 2:19 into flight.
>> vehicle has reached maximum pressure. >> this morning, the investigation into how the seemingly picture perfect rocket launch suddenly went so wrong. a massive explosion as it seemed to vaporize over the florida coast. >> we appear to have had a launch vehicle failure. >> the third time in eight months a cargo ship destined for the station has been lost. last october, another private company's rocket blew up on liftoff. then, in april, a progress ship with three tons of supplies was lost in orbit. onboard the space station, scott kelly who tweeted watch the dragon launch from the space station sadly fail. space is hard. he then called his twin former astronaut mark kelly, now a news consultant. >> three of these ships with a lot of his stuff, not only personal stuff and clothing and food but also supplies for some of the experiments, and for
upgrading the space station. >> also lost water supplies a replacement space suit and parts for a water filtration system. nasa insists the space station crew has enough food and water to last until the fall. >> they've done a tremendous job of balancing all the consumables. >> but for these high school opportunities students, their science speements were lost again. >> we're not going to let this deterus. >> a really mature attitude on the part of the students. imagine watching your experiments blow up in october and then again yesterday. there's a chance says spacex this is an upper stage problem with the liquid oxygen tank maybe an overpressurization issue. in the meantime one other critical piece of hardware was lost. that's a docking mechanism that was supposed to be carried to the space station to allow future vehicles to dock at the station. it was also lost. >> they're hoping the people around can help looking around
for the debris. tom costello thanks this morning. appreciate it. well, a plane crashes into a house. western wildfires, and a massive dust duststorm. let's zoom through the stories. massachusetts, a small plane crashed into a home completely engump engulfing the house and passengers in flames. the three passengers onboard died in the crash. the family inside the home were not injured. the plane was headed to norwood, massachusetts. investigators will arrive on scene today to look at what caused that crash. and wildfires out west. at least a dozen homes have been destroyed and hundreds more evacuated. fire crews on the ground and in the air to contain the spread of flames. officials believe the fire started at a cardboard recycling facility. winds and low humidity combined with lightning and prompted a red flag warning for the region. and two massive dust storms swept over arizona this weekend. look at the pictures from sunday
showing the plume of dust that kicked up over strong winds over the state's capital. visibility dropped to less than a mile in some areas making for conditions treacherous for drivers. powerful winds toppled trees, some even landing on cars. no injuryies reported. just ahead, all eyes on the new york stock exchange as markets are about to open and react to the crisis in greece. we'll take you to wall street. >> plus we'll head to texas where there's controversy in the wake of the historic supreme court ruling on same-sex marriage. it all started with one man's fight to add his name to his late husband's death certificate, a fight that went all the way to the highest court. that man james aborg afell, the main player in the supreme court case, he joins me next. connections. connections you almost miss. and ones you never thought you'd make. we help connect where you are. to places you never thought you'd go. this, is why we travel.
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speak. so keep it right here as we watch that crisis in greece and how it affects the markets here in the united states. developing this morning, in the fight for same-sex marriage doesn't appear to be over at least in texas, where as the front page of the dallas morning news this morning shows, the state's attorney general is backing those who refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses on religious grounds. well, this comes just about 72 hours after jim obergefell the plaintiff in friday's ruling legalizing same-sex marriage across the nation stood on the court steps. joining me from austin texas, is james obergefell and chad griffin, president of the largest lgtb advocacy group. we appreciate you taking your time to speak with us this morning. i want to speak with you, jim. months celebrating and 72 hours later, did you think you would be sitting in texas continuing to fight for marriage equality when you have an attorney
general and the highest court in the country here? >> well i knew there was the possibility that even with a positive ruling on friday that there would be some people some politicians, legislators, who would not give up the fight and would try to do things to still deny us our constitutional right to marry. so while i'm not surprised, it's disappointing. but i'm pleased to be here in texas to do what i can to help move it forward. >> does it take away from your joy for the victory that you felt on friday? >> no, i can't honestly say that it takes away any of the joy. friday was a momentous day for me for the lgbt community and for our country as a whole. i know anytime there are steps forward, there are also potentially steps backwards. so i'm still elated, and thrilled with the way things went on friday, and happy to do what i can to make sure that this goes forward. >> chad senator ted cruz was on the "today" show this morning
with savannah guthrie. let me play part of what he said when she compared the religious arguments today to those against interracial marriage and lovy versus virginia. take a listen to that. >> there's no religious backing for that and one of the things -- >> but you know in the case which is the struck down the bans on interracial marriage they used religious arguments to justify that. >> there's no religious backing for that. i have spent decades fighting against bigotry and racial oppression oppression. i'm the son of a cuban immigrants. bigotry is fundamentally wrong. >> you're sitting there in cruz's home state this morning and you heard his argument. what's yours going to be against his? >> i think a very important point was made there. these are not original arguments that are being made against marriage and implementing this decision. historically, we have seen that there are some politicians that try to use such a moment for political gain. but here's what's is really important. i think some of these
politicians are intentionally trying to confuse folks. this historic decision on friday in no way compels a church a member of the clergy to conduct weddings that they don't agree with. that will never happen. the first amendment is live and well in this country today. what it does do is compel state officials, those who are responsible for issuing the marriage license, it compels them to issue those licenses equally. and that's what's going to have to happen. i suspect that will happen soon here in texas. it's already happening all across this country as same-sex couples are enjoying finally in the right to marry the person they love. >> sure considering the words of the texas ag here calling it a lawless ruling that justices weakened the rule of law and fabricated a new constitutional right. you hear those words and you also said that up against the last 72 hours, especially when we see these pictures of you in your home state of ohio in
cincinnati's pride parade with chad in san francisco yesterday. there's a picture that reads, we're with jim. how has that been for you in knowing that you have the state's attorney general calling it a lawless ruling fabricating a new constitutional right? >> well the support i have experienced from across the country, even from the start of our lawsuit, has been incredible. and it just further proves to me that our decision to fight the state of ohio was the right decision, and to take it all the way to the supreme court. and for someone to call that a lawless decision the supreme court is responsible for interpreting and applying the constitution of the united states. and that constitution guarantees equal rights to all citizens. and for any elected or public official to say we are not bound by that we are not bound to serve these members of the public for whatever reason that's inexcusable. and it's hurtful. and i'm confident with all of the efforts out there to fight
those efforts, we will succeed. and couples all across the united states will be able to exercise their constitutional right to get that marriage license and marry. >> chad i have to say, this pivotal moment and with so much of your movement as head of the largest lgbt advocacy group in the nation it would be ideal to say in a perfect world, you wouldn't have to be sitting in front of a camera pushing your movement and speaking because all your mission and your objectives and everything would have been accomplished. so what is next for you? i know we're dealing now with religious liberty here in that argument, but what is next for you in the movement? >> the reason in the first place that we decided to come to texas. the reason jim and i are here today in austin today, in dallas later this afternoon, is because texas is a state where there are no nondiscrimination protections when it comes to housing, when it comes to employment and so many other needed nondiscrimination protections.
without question the next forefront of the battle while a couple will soon be able to marry at 10:00 a.m. they can be fired from their jobs by noon and evected by their homes by 2:00 simply because there are no explicit protections in federal law. that will be the next forefront of the battle in congress. >> james obergefell and chad griffin, good to see you. thank you very much. developing now, an escaped killer is fighting for his life after his nearly three-week run came to an end on sunday. 35-year-old david sweat was shot twice in the torso by a new york state police sergeant about a mile from the border with canada. sweat is hospitalized in critical condition at this hour and his capture brings an end to the intense manhunt. sweat's prison break partner, richard matt was shot and killed by police on friday. let's bring in the retired chief inspector with the u.s. marshal service. i want to start with how this all ended by sweat just happening to be jogging in plain sight when he was confronted by police. given the fact that we know the terrain and the mileage here
that has been covered, was that a surprise to you? >> well law enforcement has been all over this from the beginning. it was a great manhunt. first off, i mean accolades to sergeant cook and to all of the new york state police and all of the law enforcement agencies that participated in this manhunt and was a culmination of a great effort 24/7. the public the tips that came in were tantamount in getting law enforcement to this end. as well as the media getting us out here. so should sweat have got to the canadian border okay this would have been a seamless manhunt on that side of the border as well. the canadian authorities were ready. >> i have to ask you, we know what happened in detail from when they disappeared, and then up until these last few days when matt and sweat, matt was killed, sweat captured. fill in the blanks in between. all these days over three weeks, daily. what did they do? what did their days entail in
hiding, in surviving there in that terrain and in that environment? >> all these manhunts present different sets of challenges. and this particular one, it was apparent that when that getaway car did not show up these two individuals kicked into a plan b, let's call it which is no planl at all. so that was substantiated with the first cabin was found with both of their dna in it. fast forward, at that point, it was known they were traveling together. you get to the second cabin the other day, and the challenges along the way, even though it took a while, was the mountainous terrain. they were living off the land but breaking into cabins and what have you. >> i'm so fascinated they were using pepper to kind of throw off the scent, the bloodhounds off their trail, using what investigators described as picnic style pepper shakers to do that. >> apparently, there was a manhunt not that long ago for
phillips, who is also a fugitive in the mountains, cop killer. he used the same technique with the pepper. and this is just challenges that are presented to law enforcement by fugitives. >> all right. also want to ask you about david sweat, as he sits in the hospital in critical condition here investigators are really anxious to hear from him. and again, fill in those blanks and how much do you think he'll cooperate? >> that's the million dollar question right now. he more or less it's in his court. he more or less has to in order to get any type of benefits or privileges in the prison it's in his best interest at this point to share any information. >> we appreciate it john. thank you very much for providing us in detail what may have happened in the time. thanks. coming up in the next hour we'll have more on the dramatic capture of david sweat, but now i want to bring you a live look at the supreme court. we have breaking news just in
from the nine justices here. not having to do with the three rulings expected today, but they have expected to take up affirmative action in college admissions in the next term. the case will be heard then. that begins in the fall. the court has agreed to rehear a challenge to the affirmative action program at the university of texas at austin which used race as a plus factor here to achieve more diverse campus after first admitting the first top ten percent of graduates from high school. the big news coming here is what will be heard in the court's next term starting fall and affirmative action and ari melber joins me now. interesting here how we're shifting. we were thinking of winding this down, especially after obamacare, and marriage equality was ruled on and now looking at affirmative action for the next. >> what's interesting is this is a case that has come before the court several times. the question of whether public
schools can take race as a factor in admissions jargon they call a plus factor meaning they may look at a broad range of applic applicants and if someone is from an underrepresented grume or a country or other things the university wants to take into account, they are allowed to. we have seen their ability to do that narrowed over time but never completely overruled. this is breaking news that they're looking at this case again. the other thing is we knee just last week the court took a rule on a related civil rights issue under the fair housing act, where justice kennedy said you can look at civil rights in this context context. there is a way to do it that is acceptable. why they would be rehearing this case in a context where they have been relatively open to the diversity policies is an open and interesting question. >> the program was challenged by abigail fisher obviously, a white applicant here. they sent back the case to the federal appeals court for another round. the ruling said distinctions are
legally suspect. schools must show that no neutral alternatives would plus the educational benefits of diversity. >> again, depending on how people are interested in the details, that's a long standing precedent that relates to narrow tailoring. the idea if governments are working in areas that are suspect, that are race, gender et cetera, that they have to do it in the narrowest way possible, which will have the least consequences. this would look to me like the court wanting to have a second sort of round of scrutiny on how the schools are doing what they have now told them to do. >> interesting that we're talking about this when we thought the big ones were already done. that the supreme court, legal injection, redistricting and mercury. >> we're waiting for 10:00 a.m. in our hour for the court to issue its final opinions the redistricting case could affect 2016 elections. it goes to whether states can have independent lines drawn for congressional districts to fight
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you mentioned six shark attacks just in north carolina in the last month. two weeks ago, we were further down south on the coast, reporting on one there. this latest attack happened on this beach. today, many beachgoers are asking, are these waters safe? this video appears to show a seven-foot shark being reeled in on a crowded beach on north carolina's crowded outer banks. the woman who shot the video
tells nbc news it all happened about an hour's drive from where a shark viciously attacked a 47-year-old man the same day. >>subject is on the beach now, respond for a shark bite. he spotted the shark while swimming and was frantically trying to warn others. >> on the beach, ocean side. caller's saying someone's been bitten by a shark. >> the very next day, an 18-year-old nearly died after another shark attack. this morning, he's in proving. doctors have upgraded his condition from critical to serious. on average there are four or five shark bites a year off north carolina. this month, there have been six. an 8-year-old survived with minor injuries but a 12-year-old lost an arm. so did 16-year-old hunter treschl. >> i didn't see it coming. i felt it on my leg and i saw it once it attacked my arm because it was out of the water a little bit. >> the equation is shark plus human equals attack. >> experts like george from the
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independent commissions to redraw congressional and legislative districts. the goal of the people who set these commissions up is to try to get them out of the hands of state legislatures and try to make them less partisan. arizona is challenging the constitutionality of that. there is a challenge to the three-drug protocol that ohio and other states are using for lethal injections. the question is whether it knocks the condemned out and renders them senseless to pain or not. the challenger says it isn't doing its job and it's cruel and unusual punishment. and they're looking to limit pollution from power plants. the question here is when does epa have to calculate the potential costs versus the health benefits? do they do that before they choose the pollutant or do they do it afterwards? no matter what the court says about that it's not going to be the final word on restricting power plant pollution. this is it for this term.
just earlier today, the supreme court agreed next term to once again look at the issue of affirmative action in college admissions. the court ruled on this just a couple years ago in a challenge at the university of texas in austin and said that only in the narrowest of circumstances should colleges use affirmative action, sent the case back to the appeals court to apply that test and they said the university of austin passed the test. a challenger said, no it didn't, and they asked the court to take the case and just a few minutes ago the court said they would hear that challenge next term. once again, affirmative action next year. i'll have some decisions for you shortly. >> joining me right now is legal expert ari melber. you were listening to -- as this happens you'll be able to bring it to us right? >> that's correct. we're listening to what they're saying from the court. they read from the bench. >> irn you're listening, so just so you know at home, as ari is
pausing, it's because he's listening with these rulings here. also the lethal injection, knowing that those high-profile inmates objecting to these, especially with the botched executions. >> we do have a decision 5-4 to lethal injection. >> 5-4 lethal injection. pete williams this is coming in 5-4 in the lethal objection ruling. >> reporter: the supreme court has ruled that the lethal injection process used in oklahoma is valid. it's a 5-4 decision. the opinion written by judge samuel aleto. the challenge here was seven years ago, they said lethal injection itself is unconstitutional, and when somebody wants to challenge lethal injection, they have to show they have a bitter wayetter way than the state did. but clearly the challengers here said the problem was just the first drug that it didn't
sufficiently knock somebody out, that while it may have put them to sleep, a sharp pain could cause them to wake back up again. they cited a couple of cases where the lethal injections were quite gruesome where the condemned prisoners were writhing and crying out in agony on the lethal injection table. but the challenge for them was to try to come up with a better way. it's interesting that justice aleto wrote this decision because during the oral argument, he said to the death penalty opponents or lethal injection opponents, you're the reason this case is here because of your continuing attacks on lethal injection, the makers of the first drug would no longer supply it to the states. and it's that shortage that caused oklahoma to look for something different. so that's the first case 5-4. the lethal injection process in oklahoma and other states stands. i think some of the opponents of the death penalty were hoping the court might go further and cast doubt on the entire system of lethal injection, but that didn't happen here. >> all right pete stand by as i know you're listening for the
other decisions, but i want to bring in ari here and talk about this specifically in oklahoma. i have to say, during the time that i worked and reported at oklahoma city i witnessed two executions by lethal injection, and it is disturbing because when you see these medications rendered, and i know you're listening, too, so if we have to break away let me know. when you hear them you could physically see these inmates choking up. i witnessed it twice, with these people turning blue literally, and gasping for breath. the argument in this case is the drug does not reliably induce a coma-like sleep from preventing them from experiencing this searing pain. bake basically what i am seeing are they feeling. so justices voting to keep that intact, saying that is valuableid the way oklahoma chooses to execute. >> let me say something about that. we're hearing again because they redirected from the bench that two of the more liberal justices are talking about whether there
should be a broader challenge to the death penalty itself. and the legal question, is it cruel and unusual punishment which is banned by the eighth amendment in the constitution. as you say, witnessing some of these so-called botched executions has shown people a lot of the problems in this area. i don't know if you want to go back to pete. >> pete keep us up to date what you're hearing now on the rulings. >> reporter: no, that was the point i was going to make. >> okay. stand by as we again await and hear more. ari talks to us a little bit on the other two here. we're waiting to hear -- >> this is potentially a big case because many states have dealt with this problem of engineery gerrymandering. they don't look like a town or community. they are drawn by politicians often in both parties to benefit themselves, not the voters. one way the states have dealt with this is to try to take that
power away from the politicians, give it to an independent commission. in arizona that's been challenged by republicans who didn't like what the independent commission drew, and the question we're going to hear from the court any minute now is whether states have that power or not. now, the court can also defer in other ways, leaving on standing grounds or other technicalities, but the big question that could have big ramifications is can politicians give that power over to the states? something the challengers have argued that if you look at the constitution's text, it says state legislatures should control this process. that may be enough to say you can't give it to an independent commission even if it's to go against something that a lot of people don't like which is this self-admin sterdistered gerrymandering. >> and the third one, when it comes to power plants' emission as well. >> that comes down to basically what the government can decide
regarding environmental regulation, probably the least exciting of the three. another point i want to make on lethal injection as we wait here this is a blow to death penalty opponents who try to find other ways as you were just discussing, other ways that help people in their view see their problems with the death penalty. we have seen them attack certain drugs in a way they're no longer made available. so one of the hopes, and the significance of this ruling today, one of the hopes is well, maybe by going after the drug step by step we could both they say, draw attention to the problems in the death penalty and take these rulings off the table. the court in their oral argument was very vague on that. they said this is a subject by abolitionists and we shouldn't disrupt the peace. that strategy of death penalty opponents is rejected today by the supreme court. >> pete williams, as you await to hear the other decisions for us? >> reporter: just on this death
penalty, whether the death penalty itself is constitutional the court's conservatives have always said that is a subcommittee the constitution itself answers because it contemplates the death penalty for certain crimes and that therefore, the court could never say the death penalty is unconstitutional. but in their descent, justice breyer writings for himself and justice ginsberg the death penalty violates the eighth amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. at the very least, he said the court should call for a briefing on the very question. just as justice thomas one of the court's more conservative justices, sort of points in the opposite direction here. he says the court ought to revisit this question of whether the mandatory death penalty for certain crimes should be unconstitutional. he thinks the court should take another look at that. so not surprising here that you see this breakdown on the
question of whether the death penalty is effective, good policy or in fact unconstitutional. >> all right. as we await the other two decisions, pete williams stand by as you listen and he will bring that to us as it becomes available and we will bring it to you at home as soon as we have these decisions. now developments from upstate new york where for the first time in three weeks, afr the manhunt for a pair of escaped killers comes to an end. this morning 35-year-old david sweat is hospitalized in critical condition. he was shot twice in the torso by police officer jay cook. his three-week run from the law ended just a mile from the border of canada. >> there is no question given the circumstances, the proximity to the canadian border that sweat disregarded all of jay cook's demands to stop and surrender. knowing what his background was,
being an escaped murderer that mr. cook was justified in using deadly force to apprehend him. >> that manhunt has come to an end. richard matt was shot and killed on friday. good morning, bring us up to date. >> reporter: good morning, francis. this three-week manhunt ended and it ended right here, a mile and a half from the canadian border. david sweat walking down this road. sergeant jay cook on patrol by himself. he saw him and said can i help you? sweat started to run and he shot him in the torso as he headed for treathe treeline. people in this region breathe ag sigh
-- breathing a sigh of relief. they're opening their windows, they're going outside, riding their bikes, simply returning to a life of normalcy. he is charged with breaking and entering, escape in the first degree, and he's got lots of questions for him. >> if we have the opportunity to speak with him, to hear his version of the events of the planning of the escape and the actual escape and what took place over the last 24 days we're going to take that opportunity to get that information. >> reporter: now we know he will not be returning to the clinton correctional facility and the district attorney says this investigation is continuing. there could be other arrests. they don't know. it will continue until they find out everything about how these two guys made it out of that prison. francis? >> all right, adam reese, thank you very much for that. i want to bring in motivational speaker larry lawson a former jewel thief who spent 11 years in a federal prison.
they're hoping to interview david sweat to learn more about this escape here. as someone who has done time on the inside here is it in sweat's best interest to cooperate and say, okay fine busted, you got me this is how we did it? >> absolutely not, francis. what's going to happen is mum's the word. you don't want to be labeled as a snitch and even against the guards. because if he snichztches on the guards that helped or orderlies that helped him, he'll be labeled as a snitch. he's going to be in 23-hour lockdown. there isn't much they can give him. and if he alienates even the so-called good guards. this is going to open the door and this is just the tip of the iceberg of a broken prison system. not only are the guards corrupt, or some of them corrupt. i was there and i could tell you stories on end about the corruption going on in prisons. but our whole system needs to be revamped to get people.
why is life sentence with guys who have ten years? these guys have nothing to lose. these are bad guys and they needed to be apprehended and sent back to prison. when i hear people say i hope they get killed nobody knows what's going on in that prison system, francis. maybe he was abused by guards and had to get out. i'm not saying he was, i'm saying we just don't know and people are really quick to judge and i think they should look at the system as a whole, and i hope they do. >> the governor is calling for that as well as far as investigating what needs to change and what needs to happen. back to david sweat here and how he was found, just jogging openly there on a road. why wouldn't he just stick to these wooded areas where we know the terrain is so tough and where he's been successful for the past three weeks? what went on as far as every day for him and these guys when they were together? what was that like for them if you can imagine? >> well you know francis, a
couple of things. one, prisoners have patience. so i am a little surprised he did go out on the road and do that and i think his plans, they crashed. as guys used to tell me who come in who were on the lam for a long time it comes to the point where you have no out, so it's either let me give it a shot and go all out and either be locked back up or die, and i think he was willing to die and that's why he ran. and he didn't mind being shot if you want to call it suicide by cop or whatnot. nobody wants to go back to prison, i don't care what it is. and they have what they call sensory overload. a person gets out of prison francis, and he's not used to making decisions. in prison the average person makes a hundred decisions. you and i today will make about 1500 decisions. so even the littlest thing of getting water or where to go it had to be sensory overload for him, so i think time was up for him. >> larry lawson as always good to hear from you and to help us piece together what may have
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legislative districts. now, the people behind this movement has said if you leave it to the legislature, you get this partisan gridlock because the legislature will always draw it to be most fair to the party in power, and you get this partisan gridlock. the problem was the u.s. constitution which says quote, the times, places and manner of holding elections shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof. and so arizona, which was one of the states where this was happening, said see, that's unconstitutional, it's up to the legislatures. but in this opinion for the court by ruth bader ginsberg she says the people are the ultimate legislature. all political power, she says flows from the people so she says what this system is doubly empowers the people because they control the state's lawmakering process in the first instance and arizona voters as they've done here can set up those commissions. so arizona had the most to lose here, but so did california which also had an independent commission, and other states
were beginning to follow suit here. if the court had gone the other way, this would have immediately died this whole movement, but now basically this movement has a green light to try to get this going in other states. in arizona and in california it was done by voter initiative in essence bypassing the legislature, so now this same voter initiative process can be tried in other states. so it's a big victory for people who have tried to come up for years with ways to reduce partisan gridlock in the political process both here in washington and the congress and in state houses around the country. >> all right. pete, stand by. if here i want to bring in ari. as we see this court ruling the initiative did not violate the u.s. constitution's requirement. we saw in arizona, as pete mentioned in california, others as well. >> this is a big victory for people who wanted to take power from the politicians and the incumbent protection racket and find a fair more independent
way to create these districts. we saw it in arizona, in california, a lot of the western states who have had an independent political addition. this is the supreme court who people felt has stopped other attempts to regular laltte the political process for reasons the court says violates free speech. today they're finding the five votes to step up and say, no this is wait wethe way we do reform that is okay with the constitution. as pete said it's part of the legal reasoning that has to do with the notion of where political power emanates from and where, by granting power to the political system coming down and saying yeah of course it's the legislature doing it, we just want to make it more independent. this will have a big impact in parties. tea party, activists who feel
the problem isn't just left and right, washington incumbents that care about themselves. this gives them a chance to make these changes in more and more states. a big political decision one that i would say was unexpected here in the final term. >> 5-4 when it comes to that and also lethal injection, supreme court holding up the controversial use of the drug as we saw those botched oklahoma executions of 5-4 upholding. one last left mercury emissions in power plants. we'll hear from both of you when that comes down. ari melber and pete williams. david cameron expected to make a statement any moment now following friday's deadly attack in tunisia. 30 tourists were killed at least three of them britons. there is a possibility of high terrorism as we approach july
4th weekend. always good to see you. >> good to see you, francis. thanks for having me. >> sure. i want to bring up fourth of july that is in a lot of minds here at home. romidon is something people may not realize right now, and that's why they're stepping up this heightened security i guess. did you agree with that? >> not entirely. i think it's important that everyone is vigilant but i would say, go out, have a fantastic time on the july 4th weekend and not worry. because the fact is terrorism overwhelmingly has been coming from the extreme right wing, not from jihadi solafi groups. in fact last week it was just written about, saying this was overblown. this is where i don't want people becoming an alarmist. >> when you say overblown and alarmist alarmist, wait, friday's attack kuwait tunisia, carried out in
each of the cities here. there is concern about these lone wolf attacks. you can understand people's concern and fear. >> absolutely. you can understand the fear but for instance in the french attack sali killed his boss. isis hasn't even claimed that attack compared to tunisia and kuwait. i think we have to understand the position of most americans who are of the muslim faith, they are very much american. and this is not really something i've ever thought was the greatest threat tuto the united states. the greatest threat to the united states has been coming from other areas. for example, the extreme right wing has perpetrated far more attacks since 9/11 than any jihadi groups, but they've em
boldened in this country. >> how would address the momentum, if you call it that of isis especially when it comes to these lone wolf type attacks and instilling that concern and fear especially when you consider social media, isis' strongest recruiting tool but also in radicalizing people in performing these sort of attacks. is that the momentum that should be concerning? >> okay so i differentiate, for example, between directed attacks and providing some sort of source of inspiration. it's possible and we've seen this in canada that there have been a number of lone wolf attacks that have been inspired by isis but very few attacks that we've seen in north america have actually been directed by isis. and it's important to make that distinction because it's always going to be impossible for us to control everyone everywhere. there is always the possibility of an individual perpetrating an act of violence. we haven't been able to control
school shootings, for example, let alone the possibility of a lone wolf attack. but i do think that there has been a bit of hype, and in the media as well as from invested interests where people have overblown the threat of islamic terrorism in this country. the fact remains is that many more things have been prevented that have happened and the reason they've been prevented is because muslim americans call the police or the fbi. >> all right, mia bloom, as always, good to hear from you. >> thanks for having me. heading overseas where u.s. officials are confirming negotiators will not meet tomorrow's deadline for a nuclear deal with iran. but today russia's foreign minister are meeting other leaders in vienna. he will meet secretary of state john kerry for disputes that have forced extension of the meetings. they are looking for sanctions relief.
joining me now, bureau chief ali aruzi. let's talk about the deadline here and how they had to push that back. >> well they reached a very sensitive juncture in these negotiations that forced foreign ministers to come back. they were obviously not comfortable discussing what's been on the table in this deal in vienna remotely from vienna. they wanted to have face-to-face meetings since the last round of talks, so they wanted face-to-face talks. they haven't told us anything about them coming back who he's meeting with what they're talking about. he was enjoying an evening meal with his wife. but we know this is a very sensitive point, and the sensitive issues that are swirling around right now are how limited are iran's development in the nuclear field going to be once they're
discussing a deal and more important is that is iran's nuclear site. this is becoming a realistic isticky point in negotiations. >> last-minute questioning on both sides. ali aruzi in tehran. thank you. appreciate it. now to the prison manhunt in upstate new york which is now officially over. 35-year-old david sweat is hospitalized and in critical condition after being shot by a state police sergeant just a mile from the canadian border. miguel joins us now. he's hospitalized. what can you tell us about his condition? >> he is hospitalized, still listed in critical condition, shot twice in the torso. the hospitals are citing privacy concerns and not releasing many details about his injuries. we know he was airlifted and
driven by ambulance. they say they have not been able to formally interview him. doctors won't even say if he's able to speak to his own doctors yet. he's clearly a key part of this investigation. investigators want to know how he was able to pull off that escape from the prison about 30 miles away from where he was captured, as well as evade and elude police for more than three weeks. we don't expect to hear much more from doctors here about details of his care. they say there are privacy concerns here that they simply cannot release some information, but they say he is still listed in critical condition suffering from those two gunshot wounds to his upper body. >> if he cooperates certainly a lot there he can fill us in especially with investigators and their many questions. miguel, thank you very much. after the break here we will hear the latest decision from the supreme court plus several celebrations throughout the country, including the supreme court's ruling on same-sex marriage. plus can people still fire someone for being gay?
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and now the final decision from the supreme court, the last one of this term this one on toxic pollutants from power plants. let's turn to pete williams at the supreme court. pete? >> reporter: this is a victory for the power plant industry. the supreme court said the epa is wrong when the epa said it did not have to consider a cost versus benefit analysis when it decided what pollutants to regulate. the industry said that calculation had to be done first. look at the sort of dollar value of the public health benefits versus what it would cost the industry. the epa said it didn't have to do that and today by a vote of 5-4, the supreme court said oh yes, it does. this is by no means the last word on this. the supreme court still gives the epa fairly broad discretion to decide which pollutants to
regulate, but it has to do the cost versus benefit analysis. justice kagan writing for the center today said this is a mistake, it reduces the epa's authority, and if the epa had been able to do what it wanted to it would have saved many many lives. >> and pete as the final of the third decisions have come down as far as this term already looking ahead as far as the supreme court taking up racial decisions on college campuses for the next term. >> we know we're certainly going to get that case so once again the case from the university of texas at austin and whether it and extension of other colleges can use affirmative action in college admissions. the supreme court sort of tentatively ruled in favor of the university a couple years ago, but sent the case back to the court of appeals, basically to give it a homework assignment to see whether the university of texas program was narrowly put together to consider affirmative action just enough and no more
to make the class diverse. the court of appeals said yes, it passed that test, but the challenge challenger said, no, it didn't, and it asked the supreme court to take another look and the court said it will. tomorrow we'll probably get the last list from the court on what cases it will and will not hear. we're still waiting to hear about the very controversial issue of abortion. there are a number of state rules on abortion that are being challenged that are roiling the lower courts especially the regulations that abortion clinics either have to give their doctors admission privileges in hospitals or have to have the same standards of ambulatory care and we'll dive into that. >> a very busy last couple days for you there in the supreme court. we appreciate it, as always. >> you bet. now to the supreme court decision in favor of same-sex marriage. that decision was celebrated at
lgbt pride parades in different cities, including here in new york city. in turkey they turned ugly when police used water cannons, tear gas and rubber bullets on parade goers there. they told them it was due to the march being held during romidan, but they said they were given no warning ahead of time. joining me now, sara kate ellis. sara thank for being with us among the midst of your celebrations over the weekend. >> thank you for having me. >> we just saw that video. we're looking at that when it comes to how we portray it here at home and the coverage that we've had since friday and then those images there, stark contrast in turkey. talk to me a little bit about that. does that dampen a little bit of what you're celebrating from the weekend? >> what was achieved on friday took decades to achieve, and i think we're still celebrating, and we will be. however, i know that most people
who do this for a living hit their desks on monday morning ready to keep the good fight going, both here and abroad. we have massive issues globally that we need to address, but we also have a lot of issues here at home that we need to address: housing -- you know, there are a number of issues we need to address here and we can still get fired from our jobs. >> sure, and you also have the texas attorney general who is calling it a lawless ruling that the justices weakened the rule of law, fabricated a new constitutional right. you're saying yes, there's more work to do starting with now in texas and other states too, they're saying you know what? this is about religious liberty. >> there's a very dangerous narrative that's taking place right now where nothing happened to the first amendment. nothing was changed. every church mosque anyplace of worship can go on behaving the way they want to behave. where it is is at the civil level. if you're a civil employee you need to marry same-sex couples.
it's the law of the land now. and i hope that these states will respect that law. but we're ready and we're mobilized around that not r happening and being able to move that forward. >> when you say move that forward, i want to take a look at the image of you celebrating over the weekend with your parents here in new york city. you look at the joy and glee you're experiencing during that time but you still see the other what you might consider noise from those who are still opposing it. how is it that you're able to block that out? >> i don't block that out. actually i just want to say those are my parents. they're 75 and 80 on the float with me and my twin six-year-olds were there and my wife. so it was a big day for us yesterday. i don't block those out, i can't block those out. that's my job, to pay attention, and they're not small, because people's lives are on the line. if people want to get married today and one of them passes away tomorrow say, it's an extreme case. however, if they're not allowed
in texas, that could be the difference between inheriting and being able to bury your person versus not being able to and that's more than noise to us. >> sarah kate ellis, thank you. enjoy your day with your wife and twins as well. >> thank you. we're going to tell you how this rainbow inspired today's five things. but another look at the markets, almost an hour and a half in a new trading day on wall street. stocks are sharply lower here a negative 154. doubt at 17,790. we're watching how markets react to the closing of banks in greece amidst their debt crisis. tands the life behind it. ♪ those who have served our nation have earned the very best service in return. ♪
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nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins us live now from the supreme court. a lot to get to pete but let's start with these executions and this highly controversial cocktail use of drugs in a number of states. a highly debated issue and now we're hearing from the supreme court. >> reporter: the problem was the supplier of drugs that have traditionally been used have stopped giving them so they have to come up with other alternatives. this is the first drug oklahoma came up with. the challengers said it didn't knock the person out long enough. that when the second drug is given, it can cause the person to wake back up again, make them wright on writhe on the table. tom goldstein is with me supreme court expert. tom, what do you make of the overall views about the death penalty from this decision? >> we do have