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and i'm up there walking the streets and i was getting more news coverage because i'm the one who brought up the whole mess and what the mexican government is doing to us. i didn't have to be. and i just decided probably it wasn't necessary. i'm going up fully neactually n and i'll be in iowa and new hampshire many many times. >> yesterday there was news from the washington post about your hotel site in d.c. there are a lot of immigrants working on that including some who say they are not legally here. >> they didn't say that. it really doesn't say that. in fact the writer was very surprised. that they weren't able to find anybody. we have a very strong system. i have a contractor that is one of the biggest in the nation. they are doing it. so far they are doing a very good job. they have a very strong verification system. and the whole story was about, you know, they thought they were
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going to find people and they weren't able to find -- >> they did find some people who said they were undocumented. >> they certainly didn't write them down and write their names and we're very strong on that. and with nearly 11.1 illegal immigrants in the country it is pretty hard to be in a position where you actually can't find anybody. that's going to be a fantastic job. it was there 30 years, a vacant fantastic situation. i took it over. and we're going to have one of the best hotels in the world. we're very proud of it. >> are you also concerned of the people working for you to put these up? but of the workers told the washington post, do you think we're hanging out of the 8th floor window and raping or -- do you have a reaction to that. >> i was totally misquoted. i could give you copy of the speech. i was so misquoted that it is incredible. i'm talking about the mexican
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government forces many bad people into our country. because they are smart. they are smarter than our leaders and their negotiators are far better than what we have. to a degree that you wouldn't believe. they are forcing people into our country. this guy that killed a wonderful young woman from san francisco, he went back to mexico. they forced him out. they forced people into our country. and they are drug dealers and they are criminals of all kind. we are taking mexico's problems. mexico is beating us on trade. and they are beating us at the border. but mexico doesn't want these people, so what do they do? they send them to our stupid politicians and we have sanctuary cities and all of this nonsen nonsense. i've been saying this for a long time and it's a disgrace. and frankly if i didn't bring it up you wouldn't even be talking about immigration right now. >> when was the last time you were at the border.
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>> i've been to the border probably three or four times over the years. and i'm going to arizona this weekend. and some say i'm the most popular person in arizona was a of my stance. >> when was the last time you were there. >> probably three years ago. >> if you haven't been there in three years how do you know it is such a problem? >> it was bad then and it's worse now. it was terrible then. and it's worse now. worse now than it's ever been. we don't even have a border. people are just flowing through like water. there is no border right now. >> the murder rate in el paso texas on the border is the lowest for any of the big cities in the country. >> okay. look don't try and convince me that there's no crime. that it's wonderful. the people being forced in, and these just aren't mexican people. they are forcing them into our country and we're taking they will and putting them in our jails and hospitals and we're paying them money through different sources. it is a disgrace.
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don't tell me about safety. are you trying to justify safety of the border. >> we have a lower incarceration rate for mexican immigrants and illegal immigrants than for u.s. born citizens. >> go check your numbers it is a wrong statistic. check your numbers. it sounds good. check your numbers. by the way i have great relationship with the mexican people. i have many people working for me. look at the job in washington. many legal immigrants. they love me. i love them. and if i get the nomination, i will win the latino vote because i'm going to create jobs. hillary clinton is not going to be able to create jobs. i will tell you right now. neither is jeb bush. i will create jobs and the latinos will have jobs they don't have right now. and i will win that vote. i'll do better with that vote than anybody. and i have thousands of them working for me at different polices all over the country.
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i will win that vote. >> why should people believe your numbers when you come out here and say they are committing crimes and in our jails and murdering us and taking our jobs? a few years ago you let the movement to send investigators out to hawaii to find out whether or not obama was not born here. and it turned out to be not true. >> he released his birth certificate. >> i don't care. it is an old subject. i'm about jobs. i'm about security. i'm about taking care of our vets. i'm about things that you don't have to bring up old subjects. whether he did or not. who knows. a lot of people don't agree with you on that by the way. but i'm about economic development and jobs. and that's what we have to start talking about. and about beating isis and not actic like a bunch of babies like we are right now. >> do you have a plan? i do. >> what is it? >> i would knock the hell out of oil areas. they took over a hotel and
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renovating a hotel in iraq. renovating a hotel in another location. they have nothing but money it is coming out of their ears and they are getting their money from oil. number one, i said you shouldn't go into iraq because you are going to destabilize the mideast. that is what happened. and once you are in, if you are leaving, keep the oil. isis has the oil and iran has the oil. if they would have listened to me and i was very strong. the bush people sent people to my office because they didn't want me to say what i was saying. and i'm more into the military by the way than anybody but you have to know when and where to use the military. we made a tremendous mistake. $2 trillion. thousands of lives, wounded warriors, all over the place -- who i love by the way. all over the place. and what do we have? we're not even there anymore. and iran is taking over iraq. they are meeting right now. we got nothing for it. zero.
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and it is really a sad situation. with isis, you kill them at the head. you take the oil. that is where they are getting their money. if you bomb the hell out of it you bomb the hell out of the it. you have to stop the wealth. >> what about civilians. >> i'm talking about oil. >> civilians are near oil areas. >> oh give me a break katie. next question. >> a lot of people are killed by gun violence in this country. what would you know about that. >> a lot of people are killed by guns but i'm a big second amendment person. in the prison escape in new york, people that were against guns said thank god we have guns. i ren in television a woman always fighting with my husband. he wanted guns. and i would fight him. now we have a gun in every drawer and a gun on every table in case these guys broke into the house. i'm a second amendment person. >> what about people who walk into schools and shoot people.
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>> these are sick people. very very sick people. they will be able to get something somewhere. >> are you not more concerned about them. >> sure. i'm concerned about everything. i'm concerned about everything. our country is going to he. occur country is being beating at every front. we're being beaten militarily. we have a military that every time we send equipment to our so called allies, one bullet is not air and they -- we lost 2,300 armor plated humvees. not three or four or seven. we lost 2,000 in one day. 2,300 humvees. i said that is impossible. how can you lose that many? a bullet gets fired into the air and the people we're giving these humvees to, they run like band its. and the enemy takes them over. the enemy has better equipment than we have because we're
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foolish. >> do you have a gun? >> i'm licensed to have a gun, yes i do. >> do you own one? >> yes i do. >> do you use it? gun range. >> it's none of your business. it's really none of your business. i have a license to have a gun. >> gun cole? >> what are you asking me about. >> yes i have a gun and yes i have a permit to have a gun. >> stronger background checks. what about that? is there any steps. >> i would look into it -- >> to -- >> the problem is once you get into that you start get into a situation, the slippery slope where all of a sudden you are going to really violate the second amendment. i don't want to do anything to violate the second amendment. to me the second amendment is very important. >> i want to talk about what some of the republicans have been saying about you just this week. very divisive for the party. charles growth hammer has called you a rodeo clown. >> he realireally dislikes me personally. i never met him.
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but he wanted to go into iraq and wanted to stay there forever. these are over rated people. by the way are you going to mention the ones that do like trump? you don't do that do you? >> goldberg say a failed man who mistook flattery for insight. >> i went to the best school, great marks, everything else. i went out i made a fortune, a big fortune, a tremendous fortune. bigger than people even understand. i have a book called "the art of the deal." oi do the ae presentpprentice. and nbc is angry because they renewed the apprentice and i wouldn't do it. and that is one of the reasons that nbc so angry at me. and then i get called by a guy that can't buy a pair of pants i get called names. give me a break. >> so you will release your financials, on time. >> yeah.
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excuse me. i'm allowed 45 day extension and another 45 day extension. i don't expect to be using them. i should be filing. they are very complicated. you know these papers weren't meant for me because of the complexity and the bigness of what i have. but we should be releasing them ahead of schedule. >> where do you get your money from? >> i made it the old fashion way, in real estate. i made -- and a lot of money doing everything did. i made a lot of money in the with apprentice n real estate. everything i did. i've had great success. coming up a growing number of companies have backed away from trump since his comments about mexican immigrants but is the donald worried? staying in rhythm... it's how i try to live... how i stay active. so i need nutrition... that won't weigh me down. for the nutrition you want without the calories you don't...
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here is more of the full trump interview with nbc. >> what about the companies that have backed away from you? nine by our count, if you want to count new york contract, ten. are you concerned that you are going to lose so much business this is not worth it? >> no i'm not concerned. let pe tell you, if it weren't for immigration, okay, you wouldn't even be hearing about immigration if it were about for donald trump. illegal immigration, i brought the whole subject up. your friends at fox gave me credit for that the other day. if it wasn't finish donald trump we wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration or even immigration right now. and then the horrible tragedy in san francisco with a young woman
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who was shot with a person who should have never been here. this is two important. yeah i'm losing some contracts. who cares. people who are weak and want to be politically correct. some have already apologized to me, they made a mistake. and you know what? that's fine. my company is a very mass and rich. but it doesn't matter. even if it was a huge amount of money i would still do this. when people run doct-- as an exe when these different people are running for president, they don't lose anything. a politician doesn't lose anything when he or she runs. they run, they lose, they win. they don't lose anything. when i run, as a successful person, i lose a tremendous amount. the kind of money that i lose on all of these deals that you are reading about. now a lot of them are blown out of proportion. like espn. oh -- do you know what it was? it was an evening in a ballroom. that is already replaced.
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they have nascar, left. that was another thing. i guess espn was a little golf tournament. nascar was a ballroom a banquet but they make it like a tremendous deal. >> if it's hurting you why do it? >> the press is very very dishonest and i think people are wise to the press. >> if it's hurting you why do you do it? >> because i want to make america great again. honestly the country is in trouble. we owe 18 trillion going to up the 21 trillion very soon. then we are greece on steroids. we are a large scale version. i want to make our country great again. we have the potential to have that great spirit that we we once had. we don't have it anymore. our country is a mess. whether it's illegal immigration, whether it is our military, whether it is the way we take care of our vets, our country is a mess. >> george will said you could wibe a democratic operative.
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>> george is another one. he's never forgiven me for the fact i didn't show up to his speech. i listen to the people. i get the biggest crowds. i get the biggest standing ovations and i guess you see it in the poll numbers. and i don't even care about it. look, maybe i'm wasting my time doing this and it costs me money. the big money is the opportunity. because while i'm wasting my time talking to you, which is essentially one sided but that is fine. but while i'm wasting time talking to you i could be doing deals. so losing out on hundreds of millions of dollars. nobody else loses when they run for office. a politician doesn't lose. but i do lose. just to answer the question, i'm running because i want to make our country great again. >> republicans say that you are hurting the party. do you think you are hurting the party? if you divide them so severely, will you be able to get the nomination and then become president? >> on fox they said i did a
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great service because i'm the one who brought up the whole discussion on immigration and i think i'm helping the party greatly. and i actually think if you look at mitt romney who was a great disappoint because he ran a terrible campaign and totally choked in the last month. something happened but he choked. pure and simple. if you look at him many of the conservative republicans just stayed home. they stayed home and didn't even vote. if they got out and voted he would have won. but you had a lot of republicans and conservative republicans stay home because they weren't energized. >> the latino vote -- >> let me tell you something. i'm going win that vote because i'm going to put them to work. i'll take jobs back from china. they're making millions and millions of cars. what do we get. we send very little to japan. i'll take jobs back from mexico. mexico is going to be the car capital of the world the way they are going. ford is now building a $2.5
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billion plant in mexico. they are going to sell cars in the united states and parts and trucks in the united states. excuse me, how does that help us? in tennessee they just lost plant that was going to be built in tennessee. it went to mexico. so mexico is going to take care of their people because as i said before, their leaders are smarter than our leaders, and their negotiators are far better. and that will never happen if i'm president. >> you have 17% of the population that is latino. a lot of them say they are very offended by what you are saying was a misquote from yours. >> it was a purpose misquote. >> do you want to apologize. >> no there is nothing to apologize for. there is nothing to apologize for. read my statement. my statement is referring to mexico and they are pushing a lot of bad people into our country and we're taking care of a lot of criminals that shouldn't be in our country. and you saw that the other day in san francisco. we're taking care of these people. when people read my quote they
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say oh, you know, it is sort of interesting. i made my presidential announcement right here in this building. i made it. everybody gave me great reviews. some great reviews. some good reviews. it isn't until a week later people started criticizing that one statement. and i'm referring to mexico. i have great respect for the country of mexico. i love the mexican people and their spirit. but the country of mexico is killing us. the country of mexico is taking our jobs. they are killing us at the border. they are taking advantage of the fact that we have stupid negotiators. we have very stupid people this our country negotiating for us and we have leaders that don't know what they are doing. i respect that. i'm not angry at mexico. i'm angry at our leadership for not putting our right people to negotiate deals. >> why wouldn't you keep your manufacturing here? your ties your suits. >> because china so manipulates their currency that it is very hard to find companies that can
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do business in the united states. >> you are a billionaire why would you not move it here for having it in america. >> excuse me. excuse me. because i'm a businessman. and let mel tell youing the. and it's interesting. you are not bringing up anything new. you are acting like you are the great reporter. blah blah blah. every speech they talk about, i always hate that i have to have my ties made in china. and do you know why? china manipulates their currency to such a degree. they just manipulated it again two weeks. i never thought i'd see it so fast. again and again, they are taking our jobs. they are taking our manufacturing. they are destroying us. and by the way we are rebuilding china. and then do you know what they do? they loan us back the money. we owe $1.4 trillion to china. they take our jobs and take our manufacturing and then give us money and we have to pay them interest. >> how do you change it? >> i take the jobs back from
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china. take the jobs bag from japan. charge saudi arabia. saudi arabia makes a billion dollars a day. and if you think people were after yemen. they are not after yemen. they are after the oil in saudi arabia. this was the country that barack obama said oh wow we had a great victory in yemen. it's all over. great victory, right? a week later it totally blew up in his face. that border is a long border right along saudi arabia. look at what happens, just like i predicted what was going to happen in iraq and all these other candidates i'm running -- they are scooting. look at someone like jeb bush. it took him five day, five days to give a proper answer on iraq. he was changing his answer every day. how is somebody like that going to negotiate. >> international diplomacy is a delicate thing. you have to watch what you say and how can anybody expect that you are going to be able to get in to the white house and watch your mouth when you were so
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widely panned for these mexico comments? how are you going to be able to hold your tongue and not piss off other countries? >> do you want to change the word? are you allowed to use that word on television? >> and not anger other countries. >> i will tell you this. i've made a lot of money against china. i've made a lot of money in all of these countries. i have great relationships with the countries. if you take a look in what's going on in terms of relationship with the united states, everybody hates us. hillary clinton was the worst secretary of state in the history of united states. hillary was the worst. in the history of the united states there's never been a sect state so bad as hillary. the world blew up around us. we lost everything, including all relationships. there wasn't one good thing that came out of that administration or her being secretary of state. i have great relationships. if you look at business week magazine, they did a story on the 10 things that china most
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wants. one of the ten things, anything trump. anything trump. and i'm the toughest critic there is on china. people have to respect you. china, mexico. we don't have a good relationship with mexico. look at sergeant tamarisi. he goes over there. they put them in jail. finally he came out long after he should have been out. it was a disgrace. >> what do you think of hillary clinton as a president? if he wins the nomination and takes the white house? >> i think hillary will be a terrible president. she was the worst secretary of state in the history of our nation. why would she be a good president? i think she would be a terrible president. >> she says you are too divisive on immigration t republican part is. >> i may be divisive on immigration but she's weak on immigration which is far worse. hillary would let everybody come in. killers, criminals, drug
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dealers. if you listen to hillary everything is going to be flowing through the nation. they are sort of now anyway. but if you listen to hillary, she is so weak on immigration we'll have a crime wave like you have never seen before. >> immigration is down. why is this a big topic right noul. >> immigration is a big topic. look at all the crime being committed. >> the research says the crime does not match what you're saying. >> depends on what says it. >> the pure research. >> don't be naive. you are a very naive person. >> the pure research says that there are for -- immigrants on the whole. >> come on. try getting it out. >> i'll get it out. >> i don't know if you are going to put this on television but you don't even know what you're talking about. try getting it out. go ahead. >> immigrants commit less crime than u.s. bornen citizens. >> number one, i disagree. number two whether it's true or not. illegal immigrants. i'm talking about illegal immigrants. i'm not talking about
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immigrants. i'm illegal. i'm an immigrant. you're an immigrant. i'm talking about illegal imgrants are causing tremendous crime. tremendous crime. and nobody wants to talk about. and that's why fox. fox, at least fox are now talking about it. and if i didn't bring up the subject a number of weeks ago we wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration right now. >> if you found out you had an illegal immigrant working for you and they were a hard worker, how would you treat them? >> i think that i would treat them probably yet i'd have to tell them they have to go back. >> what if they were supporting their family. >> i'd probably say you have to go back. do i like do doing that? no. i have a heart. but i would probably tell them you have to go back. look, we have anywhere from 11 to 31 million. our country doesn't even know.
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the statistics are from 11 to 31 million illegal immigrants in our country. we don't even know. okay? we don't even know. nobody is able to tell me the number. used to be 11. now they think it is 31 million. it is a very sad situation. but you have to create a strong border. and if i didn't bring this up, we wouldn't even be talking -- it wouldn't be a subject. >> who pays for that wall? >> mexico. >> how do you get mexico to pay for that? only. >> only if i'm president. because mexico is making a fortune off the united states. believe me they will pay for the wall. and i watch all these pundits that don't have brains, oh trump can't get them. you have to be able to negotiate. mexico is making a fortune of the united states. in addition to sending a lot of people here that forcing -- forcing. and i'm talking about they are bad people. again i love the mexican people. i love their spirit. many of them work for me right
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now. i respect mexico. but the leaders and negotiators are too smart for our leaders and negotiators. >> how high would the wall be? >> i will make that wall impenetrab impenetrable. you don't have to worry about how high it will be. and mexico will pay for that wall. >> so you say you are drawing these big crowds. i was there, you drew a big crowd in new hampshire. >> excuse me, everything the way you say is so negative. i'm not saying i'm drawing you're saying i'm drawing. >> why do people respond to you so much -- why are they responding to you so much? >> because i tell the truth. i say what's happening. i made a tremendous fortune. and that is the mentality we need in this country. jeb bush will never take us to the promised land. hillary will never take it to the promised land. jeb will be very poor as the president. no rj energy.
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we need someone who can make great deals with china, japan, mexico. we somebody who really understands and cherishs the military. i actually think i'll be the jobs president but i think aisle be actually even better in terms of the military. i will create military where nobody is going to mess around with the united states. >> do you think it is just name recognition? >> no i think it's the fact that i say things that people agree with. >> more people than maybe we expect to agree with you? or the establishment might expect? >> people like what i say. they agree with what i say. i have had tremendous success. if i didn't have the success i think wouldn't be the same thing. i've had tremendous success, they understand that and they respect me and what i'm telling -- i don't need this. i don't need this. what i'm doing is for the country. i want to make america great again. we have a last shot at make -- if we keep going the way it is going america is going to be perm