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grounds. with the governor's signature, the bill will officially become state law. this comes just hours after the state's house of representatives in a highly charged marathon session that lasted into the early morning, they voted 94-20 to bring down the flag. >> i grew up with that flag yes, to the national media, as a heritage. it was the stories told me by my family growing up. >> i'm sorry, i have heard enough about heritage. i have a heritage i am a lifelong south carolina an i am a decendent of jefferson davis, okay? but that does not matter. it's not about jenny horn. it's about the people of south carolina who have demanded that this symbol of hate come off of the state house grounds.
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>> after governor haley signed that bill the state has 24 hours to remove the flag. it will be placed in a military museum near the capitol. that is expected to happen at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. joining me now from columbia is joy reid it's a momentum hour for the state of south carolina what is the mood down there? >> absolutely. an historic occasion. it's been 15 years in the making. the fight to try to remove the confederate battle flag from the state house grounds goes back to the year 2000 when it used to sit on the capitol dome. many of the same legislators who fought that fight and lost in a compromise that ended up placing an african-american monument on these grounds but put the flag right in their face, right on the street in front of the capitol building next to the federal monument. they've been fighting and waiting to have that fight again ever since. 15 years later, an naacp boycott
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later, and a 15 hour marathon. certainly a filibuster that lasted into the wee hours of this morning, and now a compromise that will move that flag as you said to a nearby relic room museum. people have gathered i don't know if you're looking at the crowd that has gathered there, those are the legislative members. you can see some of the people who are instrumental in the fight to try to get the flag removed. they're in a jovial move members of the public upstairs waiting to watch governor haley. looking at trying to sort of read the tea leaves about who's going to be the special guests of the governor i can tell you there are nine pens sitting on that desk where nikki will come out and speak. she's going to come out with a group of special guests, at least some of those guests will be family members of the charleston nine. >> you were on this show with a stack of papers 48 hours ago, amendments that were going to be filed to delay this process.
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it really seems like the legislature moved in concert to expedite. i think they adjourned and came back into session so they can get all this business done within a short window. they seem to know that the longer this took, the less likely it became in terms of coming to fruition coming to reality taking the flag down? >> yeah it felt like it took forever. and then at the end it started to really speed up. and just to set the stage, alex at the end of the day, there were 54 amendments that were made to the senate bill knowing the senate had already said ruled, put in the bill that any amendment, even one amendment would slow the process down and probably kill the bill 54 amendments, most of them offered by one member of the republican party of the house, and then you had a republican member and you just played that dramatic audio. a decendent herself get up and become emotional. you saw african-american members
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of the legislature get up in disgust at one point when a compromise was essentially reached to break what really was a filibuster. i felt like it was 1964 there was this filibuster happening by amendment, and you saw people rising up in disgust. finally go back in the backroom they work out another deal. and we are here. but it took until 1:00 in the morning to get it done. >> i think if we have time we are waiting for governor haley to take to the podium and sign that bill into law. i want to bring in a congressman from south carolina's first district, the former governor of south carolina mark sanford. congressman sanford, thanks for joining me. i know we're minutes away from governor haley signing this bill into law. what is your feel something. >> the obvious, which is today's an incredibly historic day. two, it's a reminder of the importance of grags. i think that all this was set in motion by the reaction of those nine families in the way that they afforded the shooter, the
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murderer incredible grace within the hours of when it occurred. it's a reminder of grace, and it's as well a reminder of the obvious, which is an incredibly historic day in south carolina's history. >> are you surprised at this speed with which this moved through the legislature. >> i think we all are. you recognized jenny horne who gave that impassioned speech last night. a decendent of jefferson davis. you know, she was asked this morning, could you have ever imagined it? even a month ago, i could not have imagined it. this was set in place by the vacuum that was created by the remarkable response of those families, and we've seen the house and senate and governor move accordingly. >> it feels like there is -- this has touched an emotional cord, and brought people around on an issue that once were pretty firmly in support of the flag. have your own personal feelings
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about what the confederate flag means, have those feelings changed in the recent weeks? >> i wouldn't say they've changed, no. the political reality has totally changed. a compromise was reached two years before i became governor and that was a long time coming. people were worn out in its wake. it took the flag down from the top of the state house dome. on a place of memorial concurrently african-american history monument was built people rating lives lost during the time of slavery. that sort of locked it in. there was an uneasy truce that was held for the last 15 years. i don't think my feelings on it have changed. but the political reality of what was possible changed in the wake of the tragedy there in charleston. >> what would you say to the folks that are angry about this decision. who feel like this is a part of their heritage saying the political reality has changed, is that enough? >> i would suspect not for them.
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and i think the reality of the democratic process, the reality of an open society, the reality of a first amendment is that we all need to offer each other just a touch of the grace that was offered by those nine families in charleston. theirs was sort of heavenly grace, if we can offer a touch of that whether it's somebody who feels passionately about the confederate being wrong in their view of it being heritage or vice versa, we'll all be a lot better off whether in south carolina or across the south or across the nation. some people will walk away from any political signing unhappy. that's the reality of the world of politics. i think that what is being done is the right thing, i think what's being done is necessary based on again particularly the defense of charleston. >> joy reid i know we still have you in columbia down there, we're seeing movement at the podium governor haley should be
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taking the pen any moment to sign this bill into law. really quickly, in terms of backlash, what have you seen from the community from those who have witnessed the speed of all of this and are dismayed. >> interestingly enough i was looking at governor nikki haley's facebook page this morning, it was pretty brutal. there were people who felt betrayed by her, this is a governor who literally 48 hours before she said the flag should come down was supporting the flag and saying there was no backlash against the flag. other people who do business in this state, there was a business backlash brewing. the pressure being brought to bear on nikki haley, not just by african-american members, some of whom have been fighting this fight for 15 years. by corporations businesses and the national republican party. she has faced tremendous pressure and then she was not exactly in the strongest position. she doesn't necessarily naturally lead them into action they really have independent
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thoughts and actions, everything she did had to be carefully calibrated not to be seen to be pushing them around. this has been a delicate balance for this governor. i think in the end most people here across that the business interest of the state are being served by this. african-american members stood up last night an said let's talk about our heritage. this flag is so painful and painful to the memory of the charleston nine this had to be done. definitely we expect the charles ston nine to be the center of nikki's thoughts and words today. that was the galvanizing event that made this happen. it really forced this to happen here in charleston here in columbia south carolina. >> congressman sanford, again, i may have to cut you off, and i apologize in advance if i do. we're seeing a lot of smiles in the state house right now, and i guess i wonder you know do you think this is the beginning of a bigger movement to reassess throughout the south the use of the confederate flag or the staging of it in prominent
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federal and state locations? >> time will tell. we're having a micro debate on that very front on an appropriations bill here in washington. i suspect it will be many larger debates across the south, you know, with some states having obviously portions or large portions of the flag incorporated into their own state flag. and a whole host of different confederate memorials of the different sorts scattered across the south. i think we need to tread very lightly there because it's one thing to take a flag off of a state house property. it's another one to try to in essence wash away a history, however tragic it may have been that is a part of the south. i think that the old saying those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it, i think there is a value from both perspectives, in looking back at the events and what caused them what went wrong, what went right, what was good, what was bad around the
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civil war. it was a tumultuous time i mean a horrendous time within the history of our republic it's important we not forget it. >> i want to bring in john mcwater. professor, to the context of the confederacy. is it changing as it is written large across america? >> when we look at an event like this, we do have to think about the fact that there are times when you can polish your crown. and so it's very common here today that america is in a kind of denial about race. and i know what people mean by that, but here is an example where we're seeing that progress can be made. to the extent that some of this movement was because it was good business that's progress too. >> okay. governor haley of south carolina is about to take to the podium to sign a bill into law that will remove the confederate battle flag from the state capitol grounds. let's take a listen. >> again, i'm not going to try
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to see if all the cameras are ready. you know look at everybody around us. that's the first thing i want to take in, look at the shot. can you all hear me on the mic? press guys? are we good 1, 2, 3? are we good? can the tv guys hear? >> yes. >> i will yell as loud as i can. you know it's hard for us to look at what is happening today and not think back to 22 days ago. it seems like so long ago. because the grieving has been so hard. but at the same time we have all been struck by what was a tragedy that we didn't think we
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would ever encounter. nine amazing people that forever changed south carolina's history. having said that i have to acknowledge the series of events that took place through all of this. because it is the true story of south carolina. the actions that took place are what will go down in the history books. nine people took in someone that did not look like them or act like them. and with true love and true faith and true acceptance they sat and prayed with him for an hour. that love and faith was so strong that it brought grace to their families. it showed them how to forgive.
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then we saw the action of forgiveness. we saw the families show the world what true forgiveness and grace looked like. that forgiveness and grace set off another action. an action of compassion by people all across south carolina and all across this country. they stopped looking at each other's differences. they started looking at each other's similarities because we were all experiencing the same pain. so then you take that compassion and that compassion motivate ed motivated people wanting to do something about it. so the action was taken by the general assembly. and what we saw in that swift action by both the house and senate was we saw members start to see what it was like to be in
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each other's shoes. start to see what it felt like. we heard about the true honor of heritage and tradition. we heard about the true pain that many had felt. and we took the time to understand it. i saw passions get hot. i saw passions get low. but i saw commitment never ending. and so what we saw was another action. and that action is that the confederate flag is coming off the grounds of the south carolina state house. [ applause ] tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. we will see the confederate flag come down. we are a state that believes in tradition. we are a state that believes in
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history. we are a state that believes in respect. we will bring it down with dignity and make sure it's put in its rightful place. but this is a story about action. this is a story about the history of south carolina. and how the action of nine individuals laid out this long chain of events that forever showed the state of south carolina what love and forgiveness looks like. i will tell you that now this is about our children. because when they go back and look at the history books, while we're still grieving and the grieving is going to last for a long time p.m. when the emotions start to fades, the history of the actions that took place by everyone in south carolina to get us to this moment is one that we can all be proud of. 22 days ago i didn't know that i would ever be able to say this
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again, but today i am very proud to say that it is a great day in south carolina. [ applause ] >> with that you don't want to wait any longer, we are now going to sign the bill. i want to say this with great pride that i am surrounded by members of the emmanuel nine families. i want to thank them for taking the time to come. i'm surrounded by former governors who put their name on a letter put their support together to say, yes, while we have been a part of south carolina's past, we want to see this part of south carolina's
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future go in the right direction. i thank everybody that is with me today much.
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>> with that i am proud to say that the bill has been signed. i want to acknowledge these nine pens are going to each of the nine families of the emmanuel nine. [ cheers and applause ] may we never forget the actions that those people took to get us to this point today. and then i've got a couple other pens. many people have talked about the courage that took place by so many across this state. but one person started this almost two decades ago, and that
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was governor david beasley. the last time i saw him, i said you started it. he said well, i need you to finish it. >> all right. and the second one was someone who also understands what this can feel like. what the tensions can feel like what it means to do something. he worked very hard and is the person who brought the confederate flag off the dome many and i want to thank you for all you've done in terms of support and all you've done for south carolina in the past. >> thank you, governor. >> and these two are for me. with that i will tell you, thank you very much. thank you for making it another great day in south carolina. we are now looking forward to the future and the future of our children. thank you very much, god bless.
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[ applause ] >> that was south carolina governor nikki haley signing into law a measure that will remove the confederate battle flag from the south carolina capitol state grounds. it will be moved into a museum sometime tomorrow around 10:00 a.m. we have congressman mark sanford with us. you know i think certainly, the bipartisan nature of this moved us forward. i wonder to what degree you think it was really important having a republican governor lead the charge on this. i couldn't say. i don't -- alex i don't know the answer to that question. i think the governor appropriately laid out a few moments ago. this thing was set in motion one way or the other by those nine families as a consequence of that tragedy, and whether it was
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a republican governor or democratic governor i think at the end of the day, would not have mattered much. i think it's nice that you acknowledge david beasley, many people argue he lost his election for the governorship his second term based on the flag issue. he was followed by jim hodges who was there in aten distance and i saw governor riley who was later secretary of education as well. there in the immediate forefront right behind the governor she signed the bill into law. i think it was a neat outpouring -- republican and democratic past governors, but at the end of the day this would happen on the republican or democratic watch. >> john. one of the things that -- the debate over the flag has prompted a reexamination of our country and its legacy on our slavery. i wonder if you think, where we are in the course of that dialogue. are we at the beginning, middle or end? certainly it is a big dialogue and a big conversation to have.
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>> we're in the middle because i think that when many people say america is in denial about race, what they mean is america's going to learn about race and do things that will help, especially poor black people. i don't think we're at the point where anything revolutionary is going to happen for poor black people. i think when a republican governor and south carolina governor takes this action rather quickly. and part of it is for business of all things it becomes harder to say that america is in complete denial. there's feelings an awareness that we're clearly seeing even if it's not translating into the sorts of actions that many people would support. this is progress this is not denial. something special that's happened here. >> indeed i think we have on the phone representative justin bamburg who's part of the south carolina legislature. representative, tell us about the -- if you could, the feeling in that room and what you're thinking about your state today. >> i'm so very proud of the state of south carolina right
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now. it's hard to put in words what it felt like to stand in there. there were cameras everywhere, people were clapping and it's a symbolic thing for our state, it's a very real thing. it was long past due. and it's just a great sense of pride, it truly is a great day in south carolina. >> tell us a little bit about who was in the room for those of us who couldn't see the whole shot. >> well it was jam packed full of south carolina house members and south carolina senators. the governor former governors such as governor beasley, superintendent of education. there were way too many to name. >> hold on on the phone if you can. i want to go back to joy reid you're outside there. you can see the smiling and the jubilation inside the room. what is it like outside? >> yeah absolutely.
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i don't know if you can see it from here but there's another honk and wave. this is it something that's happening every day we've been here. people driving by you've had groups of people hoisting their confederate flags and saying wave at us if you're on our end. other people saying honk if you want to take it down. the honking has been pretty loud since governor nikki haley signed that bill removing the confederate flag one person still holding out. they have their confederate flag and u.s. flag flying upside down. a lot of jubilation here in the park. and i wanted to know quickly, did nikki haley mention one of the people she gave the pen to was governor beesdy. he is believed to have lost his seat in part because he fought to get the flag taken down off the capitol dome. this has long been a contentious issue. a lot of people happy it's been resolved. >> thank you guys all for your time.
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just when you think you've reached peak trump there's a new chapter. the day after an explosive interview with nbc news reports that the chair gave trump a 45 minute talking to over the phone last night. telling trump repeatedly to tone it down. trump called the washington post today to dispute the papers account from republican sources telling the post the call from priebus was meant to be a congratulatory call not a lecturing type call. he's going to lecture me? give me a break. the post says the donald vowed to wage a hard charging and
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lengthy campaign. including filing his disclosures with the commission as early as next week. trump's finances are continuing to take a hit. jose andreas became the latest to break with trump yesterday, pulling out of the deal for the flagship restaurant in washington, d.c.. the construction site was the site of a rally today dump trump. democrats are loving the summer of trump, the dnc is out with a new video today entitled the retrumplican party. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. >> i salute donald trump for focusing on the need to address illegal immigration. >> joining us now, senior political writer for news feed.
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jess, i am not unconvinced he's not a plan the from the democratic party. >> i wish. >> as the story goes on and you look at those ads from the dnc, it's literally made to order for the democratic party. >> this was something that was cooked up by the dnc in 1994 or '95 when things were looking really bleak. and now manchurian candidate like he has exploded on the republican -- no not at all. >> republicans made this kind of deal with the devil that they were going to use this inflammatory language to turn out their base, to consolidate their wins and this is the natural progression of it that newt gingrich thing that started so many years ago, has eventual eventually birthed donald trump. they made him, they can't put him back in the box and they're stuck with him.
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>> far from being an outliar, trump is hitting all the air rothenous zones of the gop electorate. >> i apologize for that sentence. is there something to that. >> yeah the thing about donald trum go back 10 years, 15 years i wasn't icon servetive. why that's important is because the persona he has now crafted is designed specifically to appeal to a portion of the republican party which you could call its base the right wing, the conservative, it used to be the fringe and now it's becoming more of the republican party. that's important. all of this stuff he says the crazy stuff about mexican immigrants really everything he says -- >> basically everything he's saying right now. >> every word that's come out of
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his mouth in the last year or five years is targeted at what he knows to be a group of agrieved angry outraged people. i would not say this is actually -- this isn't really the republican party. there's a lot of people in the party who are embarrassed by him, and that goes to -- from preibus to voters in the suburbs that are aston oiked at what he says. the reason he's having success, he's channeling the id of a certain portion of the republican party. >> that makes it so complicated. they know he speaks to some part of the people they want to turn out. there's language around, there's a kind of laughing embarrassment about him, there's not the complete dismissal and i think shaming of donald trump that they would otherwise like to engage in. >> they can't kick him out,
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because they are afraid he would run as a third party candidate. he would get even more attention, let's face it that sort of thing doesn't become president or get the nomination and in my columns, i won't be mentioning him unless he foresome reason mentions me or gets the nomination i really think they can't kick him out, they don't want to create a monster, he will keep diverting us with his nonsense. >> the fact that ryan preibus see this someone's in control of the nut house here. he called him and said hey, man, tone it down. and donald trump says it wasn't a tone it down donald call it was a way to go donald call. >> i think what's humiliating, donald trump being as high as he is in national polls, donald trump is going to make that
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debate stage. as much as we could sit here and say he's ridiculous and will never become the nominee. the world would be a better place if we all started talking about him. he's in second. that makes him real. some people support his ideas. >> and because he's famous and we're very early in the cycle. >> i agree that the ultimate consequence is terrible for the republican party, i don't think you can say it's a symptom of everyone in the republican party wanted donald trump to be president. >> i don't think anyone's contending -- >> it's comparable. as long as he wants to stay in he will continue to have some portion of the voters saying they want him to be president. >> national polls, trump is running second behind jeb bush in iowa he's second behind scott walker.
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in wisconsin he's second behind scott walker. let's say he stays on the debate stage. when does this cycle end? >> i think one of the things that hasn't happened yet is the primary contenders the people who are running seriously as -- for president, have not started going after him and treating him as a serious rival if we fast forward five months and trump is still there and sucking up all the oxygen you'll start to see jeb bush's super pac karm et bomb places like iowa and new hampshire with ads saying look at all these liberal positions donald trump is talking about. >> they'll trot out statements he made in 1999 i'm very prochoice or in 1999 i'm very liberal when it comes to health care that the sins that may cause him to be cast from the party are liberal sins.
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>> and they will be unpleasant things to see. what it shows is the man is a show man, and entertainment is entertainment entertainment. idiocy sells. it has a high volume early in the election he's not a political person he's an entertainer. he's your crazy not even uncle, but great uncle. he will say some things that will be offensive, i don't see him getting his hands on the levers of power, i have a hard time quaking in my boots about him. i wonder if the past three weeks of trumpiness how have they made you feel about us as a country, as media conglomerates, as voters? >> i believe it's shown a real clear contrast between the ids of both parties, i think if we -- >> i can't even think of who on the left would be this person, maybe it would be donald trump. >> donald trump 15 years ago.
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>> alternate universe. >> the id of the left isn't hateful, it's real hard to appeal to the left by excluding segments of the population by casting aspersions on certain ethnic groups. >> denying basic facts. >> i think that that more than what agenda that's -- are you for an inclusive country or not? that's the question that republicans, not donald trump are going to have to answer in a really serious and thoughtful way this year and this is highlighting that for them. >> it's a testament to the teflon don i can occupy the far left of the republican spectrum and the far right. that's the weirdness of donald trump. thank you as always for your time. coming up scott walker and marco rubio are also running for the republican presidential nomination. if scott walker had his way, they would be running for it on
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and now the stories that everyone everywhere cannot stop talking about. governor walker gives marco rubio the ultimate backhanded compliment. and ariana grande apologies not for licking doughnuts, but for hating america. jeb bush suggests americans need to work longer hours. >> my aspiration for the country
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and i believe we can achieve it we have to be a lot more productive work force participation has to rise from its all time modern lows. people need to work longer hours and through their productivity gain more income from their families, that's the only way we're going to get out of this rut we're in. >> hillary clinton blasted out this tweet with a graph showing high productivity and low compensation. bush collar phied insists he was talking about part time workers. >> if we're going to grow the economy, people need to be -- stop being part time workers and have access to greater opportunities to work. >> you can take it out of context all you want. people work 40 hours instead of 30 hours. if anyone is celebrating this anemic recovery they're totally out of touch. the simple fact is people are really struggling.
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>> joining us now is host of the laura flanders show laura flanders herself. >> where does this rank as a gaffe in your mind? >> i reread and listened to these comments over and over again, i want to know your opinion. >> look the politics of it are terrible it's very mitt romneyesque, he's demanding that all people need to do is work harder and longer and the country will be better off. in that way, it's bad, it's easy to slap on that campaign ad and i'm sure we're going to see it a lot next year. i think he's -- you know economically, it is a fact that people need to work longer hours to achieve the kind of growth he's talking about, what he says is that he was -- he was simply saying that more people need full time jobs instead of part time jobs. there are a lot of people who
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have part time jobs that would like to have full time jobs the reason it has a potential to resonate and democrats are seizing on it is because it plays into this perception of wealthy conservatives telling low income people that they need to work harder and kind of lecturing them about their work ethic. >> it gets into the fact that jeb bush is against raising the minimum wage. >> when you get into economic policy around work as it pertains to jeb bush some things are driven home where he stands on the spectrum. it's not helping his case it would seem that governor bush would want to avoid comments that led voters to believe mitt romney was out of touch. with friends like that -- >> how crazy does he think we are, if someone's referring to people working more hours, they refer to more hours, longer
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hours is longer hours, we've been working longer for less for years. the democrats will be making hay of this we need to see what plans come from that side of the aisle for folks who are working harder and producing more. >> right, and it bears mentioning just because you're working more doesn't mean it's healthier economy. >> even if we take jeb at his word he was talking about the real problem of under employment. i don't believe. it was clear he was saying the economy is stagnant. he didn't say underemployment is a problem, but let's pretend he did and that's what he meant. it's a radical misunderstanding of our economic problems. american workers are among the most productive in the world, and the wages have not kept up. you want to see what policies are coming from the other side
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democrats would like to raise the minimum wage. that would do a lot to spur economic grejowth, we know republicans seem to have a harder time with when we give the working class money. they spend it which stimulates the economy, we give folks like jeb bush who were born into wealth have always been wealthy, and will leave their children unimaginable money. they tend to put it in a vault. they have a different understanding of realities than we do. >> moving on. from the department of backhanded compliments -- a department with many many filing cabinets. scott walker has a habit of telling supporters that marco rubio would make a good vice president. give the impression that he's on top. acknowledge he would be running against an historical figure and the first woman candidate.
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telegraph to marco they are allies and in a way, the little marco. i see a lot of the little marco in all of this. >> i root for that one too. >> you must be so happy you don't have to go out on dates saturday night. i don't want to be vice president, i want to be president. >> he wants people to think he's the forerunner the other guy isn't, and i think he also wants them to think about anything else than what is happening in wisconsin right now, where he's not having the smooth sailing he was hoping for, and he's hoping we'll all forget about the weekend, the eight hour day, let alone things like living wages, all of which he's against. >> it feels like review is taking this kind of in stride. let's play a little bit of sound from his reaction to walker's incessant suggestion he should be his running mate. >> we're going to have a primary
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here and the voters are going to make the choice. if governor walker and i ever wind up on the same ticket i suspect it will be in alphabetical order. >> that was smooth. >> the thing about rubio, he is used to this he's used to people -- he's the youngest -- i think the youngest person in the nield or one of the very youngest, he has a -- and his aids have acknowledged to me and other reporters that the gaps that he has to overcome is that he looks young, he has a babyface. >> and he keeps talking about his youthful enthusiasm. >> and it helps in some ways it helps when he's taking on jeb bush, for example, in the primaries and he uses it to attack hillary clinton, but it can come off as making him look like the little kid who's in the suit jacket that's too big that his dad gave him.
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>> take your marco to workday. >> that's what walker is seizing on. >> isn't he only four years older? >> yes. >> you're like a junior and i'm a freshman. >> speaking of the youth, this is for you, you have probably seen pop star ariana grande on a camera licking doughnuts. it is what she said afterwards that's landed her in a deep fryer. >> a disgusted grande could be overheard saying i hate americans, i hate america. i am extremely proud to be an american and i have made it clear i love my country. no apology yet for licking the doughnuts without paying for them, i might add. which is the greater sin? >> kids say ridiculous things and she's a younger person who is saying ridiculous things. she's going to sing a lot of
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star spangled banners, she's going to be okay. she licked doughnuts that someone else is going to come by and eat. she could have put a sign on it that said ariana grande licked this doughnut and let the shop sell it for hundreds of dollars. >> i've seen young skinny women reject free ice cream. >> i think it's a healthy female. >> even though she looked at the tray of the bear claws and she was like i hate america. >> opinions are so strong at this table on this issue. i don't want to -- >> i would like a doughnut. >> you can't -- there is that old sign in the shop window that says, if you lick it you bought it that's what's true for ariana grande. do you not have an opinion about this? >> i liked the rest of her
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major news on the battle over the confederate flag. first, the calls for change that began in the wake of the mass murders at the emmanuel a.m.e. church in charleston they achieved some victory today, the past hour nikki haley signed a historic bill. the confederate flag first raised in 1960 to support segregation will be lowered starting tomorrow. >> with that i am proud to say that the bill has been signed. i do want to also acknowledge these nine pens are going to each of the nine families of the emmanuel nine. >> it was a major major event there and important, but it was a major reversal from that governor's position just under a year ago when she was running for re-election. >> over the last three and a half years i spend a lot of m


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