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down will be the same department of public safety honor guard that served add senator clemente pinckney's funeral. governor haley set the stage by signing the bill in front of a packed house in the capitol. in doing so she used nine pens and gave one to each of the families of the charleston nine. those killed by the man who had embraced that flag as a symbol of hatred and racism. we learned a few moments ago that governor haley will be watching the flag as it comes down from the steps of the state house, and she will be flanked by two former governors, governor jim hodges and governor david beasley as well. beasley, it should be noted, some have said the flag itself probably cost him his political career in south carolina. he's set to join us later on "the rundown." governor haley will be joined by her husband, michael haley, and we're told the mayor of
charleston as well mayor riley, will likely join we're told he's stuck in traffic, if he gets here in time he's going to join the governor and so will norval goff from mother emanuel. this morning on "today" governor haley said the time had come to bring the flag down. >> in south carolina, we honor tradition. we honor history. we honor heritage. but there's a place for that flag. and that flag needs to be in a museum where we will continue to make sure that people can honor it appropriately. but the state house, that's an area that belongs to everyone. and no one should ever drive by the state house and feel pain. no one should ever drive by the state house and feel like they don't belong. so i think this is a mopehopeful day for south carolina. >> nbc's ron allen joins me live now. msnbc national reporter joy reid is also here. they have been covering the story here with me in columbia. ron allen has been in south carolina so long my mother is going to be upset if you don't
stop by for macaroni and cheese. >> i would be delighted to. let's talk about the fact not just the fact the flag is coming down, that's history we'll be talking about the next few hours, but the speed with which it's coming down. that's something that has surprised a lot of folks. you were in the chamber wednesday night when the debate was in -- they were in the full throws of the debate. are you surprised at all based on what you saw and heard in there that it's coming down. >> to some extent, i'm surprised it's taken so long since the massacre at mother emanuel because that changed everything and that was so profound. i told people over the weeks i have seen a lot of things in my life around the country and the world, but that was an avent that was really disturbing, at so many levels obviously, but disturbing to me as well. so i'm not surprised this is happening. and i don't think we should underestimate or underplay how significant it is that the flag is about to come down. people across the country, around the world, are going to watch this event and mark this
day. look around the crowd, you see a lot of young kids, a lot of families. there are parents telling their kids what's happening here why this is happening here. this is a moment that's going to change the state. it's going to change the perception of the state, and it's just going to hopefully move things forward. we always say move things forward. heal, all that good stuff. what that means is a practical matter remains to be seen. but this is really a huge day, a huge moment because symbols are so important in this country. >> this is not only affected folks in south carolina, as you indicated. this really the governor's decision to call for the flag to come down, triggered a nationwide conversation about not just confederate battle flags and confederate flags but memorials and statues and of course in the days after, we saw the alabama governor act. we saw ebay and walmart act. i want to, if we can, bring the shot back that we saw of the crowd that has started to
assemble here for a ceremony that may take six or seven minutes, we're told. we have seen the crowd grow fairly considerably over the past 20 or 30 minutes. we don't have any indication as to what we can expect here but to give you perspective. back in 2000 i was here same state house grounds when they moved the flag from atop the state house dome to its current location here, at the end of main street and there were easily a few thousand people here. it was, as i recall not nearly as hot as it is today. it's supposed to be about 100 degrees. it will be interesting to see the size of the crowd. as ron mentioned, the makeup of the crowd is interesting. black, white, young, old. we talked to a few of the folks gathered here to watch this ceremony. this is just a sampling of what they had to say. >> we're overjoyed at the decision for the confederate flag to come down because it represents unity, which is what we wanted and which is what we
believe the victims would have wanted as well. >> every time i think of my wife and the other eight people i can't think of a better thing happening than the flag coming down because it separated us really. it was a sign of separation. >> again, ron allen, back with me live here. you were in charleston. in the aftermath of the shooting. you have been here since the debate started. personally, what has this been like for you to cover as a journalist? >> craig, i think it's just been a fascinating sequence of events no one would have predicted. obviously, a church massacre. as you pointed out, before mother emanuel, this flag wasn't an issue. it wasn't like every day people had been disputing it. it had been settled by moving it to the flag pole behind the memorial. around the country, people were looking at south carolina and wondering, okay and it became something that's accepted. okay, that's the south. that happens in south carolina and places like that i think, would have been a northern or
national perspective on it. but things have now changed, and i was -- i was struck by the history of how this is transpiring. the flag wasn't up there for 100 years after the civil war. >> 91962. >> then it went to the state capitol to mark the 100th anniversary of the civil war or the beginning of the civil rights movement as others would say. for 100 years it sat in a museum or somewhere, and it wasn't an issue. suddenly, it became this hugely important thing to people who want to talk about heritage in that context. and a lot of other people are pointing out and i think it's significant to say when you look over there, you see the flag but there's even a larger memorial a confederate soldier memorial there and it's one of the largest memorials on the grounds here as you walk around there are a lot of memorials. >> not controversial. >> not controversial at all, at least not yet. that's the concern of many people that the monument is next and then the names of the
streets, robert e. lee boulevard, calhoun, throughout the country, so many venues. >> it's difficult to drive two blocks in the city of columbia without driving on a thoroughfare that is named after someone who lost the war. >> they fought valiantly, and people gave their lives. it's significant, but yeah. >> ron allen for us. we'll come back to ron throughout the morning. thank you, as always. always appreciate your reporting. >> the debate leading to this historic moment has been intense, to say the least. with raw emotions rising to the surface on both sides. something seen clearly in the south carolina state house this week. >> this particular flag that flies out there goes back to my childhood days. i grew up with that flag yes, to the national media, as a heritage. it was the stories told me by my
family growing up. >> i'm sorry. i have heard enough about heritage. i have a heritage. i'm a lifelong south carolinian i'm a descendant of jefferson davis, okay? but that does not matter. it's not about jenny horne. it's about the people of south carolina who have demanded that this symbol of hate come off of the state house grounds. >> i want to bring in south carolina stateruptive house minority leader here in south carolina, todd rutherford. good to see you. >> good to see you, craig. >> let's start with the debate over the last few years. we saw jenny horne, a lot of folks crediting her with helping get the football over the 1 yard line for you guys. what was it like wednesday night? >> it was tough. it was tough for all the democrats who had to sit on their hands and not say
anything. we didn't want to ruin it. we didn't want one democrat to make a speech an impassioned speech but we believed had we done that that flag wouldn't come down. we sat there if you watch the debate for hours upon hours. the republicans got up basically talked to themselves as democrats did nothing. >> so as not to antagonize. >> that's extremely difficult and it's exactly what we did. when you saw democrats finally get up and talk they did so so we could go in the back and negotiate. my democratic caucus i can't thank them nfl. while i was in the back talking to the speaker, talking to representative quinn, they did that. while we were asking people to take time, jenny said she wanted to speak. i came out and heard her crying. that's simply not jenny horne. she's a warrior, she's on your side, you can typically get anything across. to see her in tears, i couldn't figure out what somebody said to her. it literally, as you said moved the ball across the goal line. >> was she concerned? was the reason we saw the speech
because she was worried you were going to lose it? >> one of those things she is close to the people of charleston. she knows where mother emanuel is, not because she saw it on tv, but because she lives in charleston. to have a personal connection to senator pinckney to people who were slaughtered in the church emotions run high and hit her and she said we cannot disrespect these victims this way. we must take the flag down. >> what's next? the flag will come down in less than an hour. the flag pole itself will be removed this afternoon, we're told. then what? >> to quote the governor saying she made her people answer the phone saying it's a great day in south carolina. it really is a great day in south carolina. you grew up here as did i. we never thought we would see a moment where the flag would come down. i'm disappointed a lot of people didn't hear the speeches democratic caucus members would have been able to say about how much this flag hurts them. so they could understand the hatred we see when we see the
flag. i hope south carolina can recruit businesses athlete, and say we don't have the stain on our front yard anymore. >> the crowd here has grown considerably in the last hour or so. i know we don't have any idea of how large a crowd we can expect. you said some folks are saying they're not going to come out? >> a lot of people are afraid a lot of people are afraid the crowd that don't want the frag to come down are going to do something. we're so thankful for the patrol and dps to come out, and they're not getting paid for this. this is their comp time. we talked about it last week in session making sure they get paid to protect everybody. we are very protective out here of our citizenry. it will be fine today. watch an historic moment. >> todd rutherford, thank you so much for your time. again, today's events bringing a bit of an end to a racially charged debate. it seemed to have been averted 15 years ago when a legislative compromise moved the confederate
flag from the capitol dome to the flag pole behind me alongside a nearby monument honoring confederate soldiers. it was also removed from both legislative chambers as well. the governor at the time jim hodges, told matt lauer he thought the issue was resolved. >> matt it is the final compromise. and let me say like any compromises, we have those who didn't think the flag should come down from the dome at all. and we had those who thought it should go completely off the state house grounds. i think we have reached a fair compromise where we take the flag and move it from a position of authority on the dome and put it at a soldier's monument on the state house grounds. i think that's a fair resolution. >> again governor jim hodges there, back in 2000. governor hodges is going to be joining governor nikki haley, also governor david beasley as well when the flag is lowers just after 10:00 this morning. in addition to the compromise in addition, rather the compromise included language that said it could, quote, only
be amended or repealed upon passage of an act which has received a two thirds vote. that's the reason we had to go through the drama at the state house this week rather than just let the governor order it to come down as was the case in alabama. despite the fact it passed the legislature, the 2000 proposal was pretty unpopular. critics including then minority leader gilda cobb hunter said it did more to divide the state than heal the state. she said yesterday she thought she would never get a second chance. >> i was here in 2000 thought that it would never be dealt with again. and my political lifetime and here we are, 15 years later, doing what i think we should have done and what was on the table in 2000 but the environment and the atmosphere was not fair. >> state representative gilda cobb-hunter, longtime state representative joins me now on
the phone. always good to talk to you, representative gilda cobb-hunter. >> hey, craig. >> as we stand here less than an hour away from the confederate battle flag coming down here in columbia what goes through your mind? >> oh, craig, it is truly a great day in south carolina. i am just so pleased to be here at this moment in time. and i just am reveling in it. and i don't -- you know i want people to have good feelings about today. it's just great. it's a great day in south carolina. >> not to take away from the greatness, but i want to ask you the same question i asked governor haley a week ago. >> okay. >> why did it take this? why did it take a mass murder at a historic church in charleston to do something that so many have argued should have been done a long time ago? >> well craig, you're a native
you live here and you have already talked about language that was added that made it very difficult for the flag to be moved. the irony here craig, is as you remember, all of the proposals that were on the table back in 2000 the very thing we're doing this morning was on the table then. the timing was not right, the support was not there. i firmly believe that what is done for evil, the higher power does turn into good. and the tragedy of the emanuel nine has allowed this to come to pass. from my perspective, our challenge has to be not just letting those nine lives result only in the removal of the flag. the agenda has to include things that will make south carolina a better place for everybody.
the flag coming down is symbolic and it's important. there is still much work to do. our job now has to be to move to those substantive issues that will make all of our citizens a better more productive member of the south carolina family. that's important. if we don't do that then the tragedy and the lives in my view will have been in vain because it will only have resulted in the flag coming down. we've all got to remember that the flag coming down does not change the hearts and minds of a whole lot of people so we can enjoy this moment but unless we turn the page and get some real things done. >> longtime state representative gilda cobb-hunter, thank you so much for your time. >> craig, you know it's always
my pleasure to speak with you, and as i shared with you before you make all of us here in south carolina so very proud. >> thank you very much. today, my state makes me very proud as well. we are just getting started on this special edition of "the rundown" live from columbia south carolina, less than an hour the confederate battle flag will come down. much, much more after the break. stay with us.
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when the emotions start to fade, the history of the actions that took place by everyone in south carolina to get us to this moment is one that we can all be proud of. >> that was governor nikki haley just after 4:00 thursday afternoon, right before signing the bill that got us here today. she is just one of the lawmakers that have been in the spotlight throughout this process. i'm joined by chuck todd moderator of "meet the press." let's talk about the governor here. as this helicopter flies overhead, one of the law enforcement helicopters that's monitoring the crowd here in front of the state house. governor haley, she had opposed this action. she reversed her position after that massacre in charleston. when you watch the way that she's handled herself over the last few weeks, are we witnessing the rise of a political star? >> i think definitely. there were a lot of people who thought she was going to be a
political star the moment she was elected. perhaps people around her, perhaps she got -- you know the head over her skis a little bit, too early. tried to be a national star too quickly and went back and focused on her state, got re-elected. this is sort of becoming a national star the right way. being recognized for what you're doing as governor in your state. and then having the national moment come to you. but yes, i do think we're seeing sort of a more durable rise in her national star this time than when she -- when a lot of people predicted stardom for her when she was first elected. craig, i want to make a larger point here. the power, this happened because lindsey graham, tim scott, and nikki haley joined eded arms and did it together. never showed any space. and made it politically nearly impossible for the rest of the south carolina republican party to defy them. it's a lesson in how to use a bully pulpit together sometimes.
>> and chuck, not only did they do it. i'm told that senator graham was literally picking up the phone and calling state lawmakers, state house reps. picking up the phone and making sure that they all fell in line. is there a drawback at all for governor haley here? there have been some folks who said here in south carolina, at least, perhaps she hurts herself with some of the more die-hard members of the base but nationally, any drawback at all or is this one of the rare cases in politics where it's a complete win-win? >> i think the leadership moment trumps all. look there's some people who are going to say hey, she reversed course. it took this horrendous tragedy to sort of reverse course for lindsey graham for tim scott, for any of the leaders in south carolina. but they are sticking their necks out a little bit here with some of the base. and craig, you and i both know it's inevitable. it's possible some south
carolina state legislator is going to lose over this issue. it's very possible. we saw it in georgia. it happened in georgia when they dealt with their flag back in 2000. it happened to the governor there, had an opponent who didn't even run a real paid tv ad, and he won because of the flag. and it used against roy barnes. so it's possible but i don't think this does hurt her long term. >> chuck todd moderator of "meet the press" thank you so much. always appreciate your insight. >> we'll be watching on sunday because if it is sunday it's certainly "meet the press" on nbc. much more ahead on this special edition of "the rundown" live from columbia south carolina. after the break, we'll take a look at major developments in other top stories including world leaders in vienna austria, pushing past the deadline to reach a nuclear deal with iran. andrea mitchell is live with new details on that. also a second massive
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negotiators working past this morning's deadline to reach a nuclear deal with iran. kerry said they're pushing ahead and working hard. he also emphasized the talks are not open ended. >> given that the work here is incredibly technical and the stakes are very very high we will not rush and we will not be rushed. and we won't let ourselves be rushed through any aspect of this. >> nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell remains on duty for us in vienna. first of all, what's the feeling there now that the deadline has officially passed? >> it's not good. and in fact after john kerry said that they're willing to walk and go home if they're not making progress we sat down with a top iranian negotiator and his anger was palpable.
the iranians claim that the u.s. and the other allies have reneged on key commitments. the suggestion was after talking to president obama, the u.s. position somehow changed. this is the iranian take, oevf course, and there's a lot of posturing on both sides. no one wants to be blamed if this falls apart. so they're setting that up. the u.s. officials have been saying all week iran was reemphasizing a resolution that bans arm sales to and from iran and that was becoming a bigger issue than it should have been and that was a change in the iranian position. what iran told us is this is like negotiating with five different powers. they can't agree among themselves, and vladimir putin jumped into this putin, with the president in moscow yesterday, came out on the side of iran saying iran is right and the u.s. and wrong, and up until now, russia and the united states have been partners at these negotiations. that was a real breach.
so the allies being divided, iran taking the upper hand it seems, in some of the negotiations. i talked to the british foreign secretary today. he said there is some progress. he's going back as is the french minister to see whether the iranians and the u.s. and others can work it out or make some progress today. and the overall talks with the larger group will begin again about 24 hours from now. this is not going well. they can still come together on saturday or sunday. it could lapse over to monday. this will be our third weekend here, and by the way, you're talking about the american flag in columbia south carolina. this is a difficult day in ti tehran. this is known as death to israel day, the last friday before ramadan ends and there have been american flags and portraits of posters of barack obama burned in the streets of tehran today. so not a great climate there indeed. from the hard liners who are going to be tearing apart this
deal if it comes together just as the critics in congress will be. on a windy day here in vienna craig. >> andrea mitchell for us on duty there in vienna. thank you as always for that perspective. we'll continue to follow that story. >> we're also following a developing story in washington, d.c. where a federal agency is reeling from a cyberattack that put records of more than 21 million people at risk people including social security numbers. justice correspondent pete williams is standing by for us with more on the data breach at the office of personnel management. in addition to the social security numbers, what types of data are we talking about here? >> well, we don't know precisely how many people which data was taken from but the universe of data would include also a small set of fingerprints and then the sort of information that you have to give when you fill out for what's called a sensitive position in the government. a senior position in the government, something that has a
security clearance. you give every place you have ever lived, all your members of your family information about your employment history, where you have lived, financial, criminal records in some cases. even user names and passwords have been compromised. we don't know again, which set of numbers those apply to. it's a very large number and the total is about 22 million. it appears that the government isn't saying this on the record but everybody is saying privately that this was china. i suppose the good news here is if there is any, that for government employees and job, people who apply for a job with the government, this is not sort of like people taking your credit information from target the hackers that sell it on the black market and steal your identity. this would appear to be for intelligence gathering purposes to find out who might be intelligence operatives, who in the u.s. might be giving intelligence of value to china.
if you're not involved in chinese intelligence, i suppose at this point, the assessment is it's likely nothing is going to happen with your information. but it's still very disquieting and of course a huge disaster for the government. >> pete williams justice correspondent for us in washington, d.c. pete thank you. much more ahead from columbia, south carolina. up next, the battle that erupted on capitol hill over the confederate flag. those details from congressman akeem jeffries joining us live. first, though check out the rally on wall street. the dow up triple digits on this friday. more than 200 points. and just the opening minutes of trading on word of progress in the greece financial progress. up just a few points since i started. this special edition of "the rundown" will be right back. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of
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minutes away from the big event here in columbia south carolina, when we're expecting an honor guard with the department of public safety to walk out of the capitol just a few feet from where i'm standing, walk over to the confederate soldier memorial behind me and lower the confederate flag for the last time. we're told the ceremony itself is only going to last six or seven minutes. it will be as one of the governor's aides described it probably a bit of anticlimactic for a lot of people who might be expecting more. there won't be speeches no music. they'll come down take the flag down, take it back in and at some point, they'll drive it over to the confederate relic museum. governor nikki haley will be flanked by her husband and also joined by governor jim hodges and former governor david beasley as well and also representative from emanuel, the representative from the church there in charleston the massacre there, of course
triggering all of this. let's go now to capitol hill where the future of the confederate battle flag has created a major fight in the halls of congress now. republican leaders have abruptly pulled a bill from the floor after a heated debate thursday. it's all over an amendment that was tucked into an appropriations measure that would have allowed the confederate flag to be displayed and sold in some areas of the federal government, like national parks and cemeteries. as you might imagine, the legislation has democrats fuming. >> it's shameful that less than 24 hours after the state of south carolina took this important step for progress and equality that the united states house of representatives would consider an amendment that would allow the confederate flag to be placed in national park service cemetery cemeteries. >> this flag should be no point of pride for any american. and we should take this flag down. >> this symbol would have
prevented my having the opportunity to stand here if it had prevailed. >> let's go to capitol hill now. i want to bring in new york democratic congressman hakeem jeffries who gave an emotional and powerful speech about this issue on the floor thursday. congressman, a lot of raw emotion from you on this particular issue. i want to take a listen and play for our viewers and listeners just a snippet of what you had to say. here it is. >> had this confederate battle flag prevailed in war 150 years ago, i would not be standing here today as a member of the united states congress. i would be here as a slave. >> congressman jeffries what were you hoping to accomplish with that speech? >> well we've come a long way in america over the last 150
years since the end of slavery and the conclusion of the civil war. but as the tragic events in charleston, south carolina, revealed, we still have a long way to go. and at the very same moment when people of south carolina and democrats, republicans, whites blacks, extraordinary leadership from the governor are preparing to take down the confederate battle flag, it's shocking and appalling that house republicans were attempting to legislatively lift it up. so we came together as democrats to stop that effort yesterday, that would have allowed federal funds to be used for the display of the confederate battle flag on national park service land including federal cemeteries. >> house speaker john boehner, as you know said the amendment was simply an attempt to codify a directive that was given from the obama white house. what about that was true what
about that was false? >> well earlier this week there were three amendments that were offered, two by representative jarrett huffman from california, one by myself that collectively would have prevented federal funds from being used to purchase to sell or to display the confederate battle flag on national park service land. initially, it appeared house republicans were going to support that effort. but then less than 24 hours later, under the cover of darkness approaching late in the midnight hour house republicans reversed course changed their position, and introduced this amendment to undermine the effort to limit the use of funds connected to the confederate battle flag. what the speaker is saying right now is just an attempt to back away from what was clearly a ham handed failed effort related to this.
>> new york congressman hakeem jeffries. i apologize for that. thank you so much for your time this morning. >> thank you so much. coming up here in south carolina republican congressman, former governor mark sanford, will weigh in on today's historic events. his stance on the flag changed like so many others' after the tragic events unfolded last month. nine people gunned down in mother emanuel church including that church's reverend who was also a senator, clementa pinckney. as i'm speaking to you i see the department of public safety honor guard apparently getting ready to head into the capitol to take the confederate battle flag down. much more right after this from columbia, south carolina.
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over 1,500 or so. considerably larger than the crowd we saw 15 years ago when the flag was taken from atop the state house dome to its current location here on the state house grounds. we expect that the crowd will continue to grow here over the next 15 or 20 minutes. that's on the left side of the screen. on the right side of the screen that's an honor guard with the department of public safety. those are the individuals who will at 10:00 or shortly thereafter, march to the flag pole and take down a confederate battle flag that has flown here for more than 50 years. perhaps you can also hear in the background behind me some chanting folks here chanting "take it down take it down." it is a gathering that has been up until this point, at least, fairly quiet. so again, the department of public safety honor guard that you see on the right side of your screen we should note it
is the same honor guard that was there as they laid state senator clementa pinckney to rest. pinckney, of course, one of the nine people gunned down in the church basement in charleston more than three weeks ago now. again, we're just moments away from the big event in south carolina, taking down the confederate battle flag that has flown on the state capital grounds since 1961. in his statement yesterday, my next guest called this a political impossibility just weeks ago. i'm joined now by republican congressman and former south carolina governor mark sanford from washington, d.c. governor sanford, always good to see you. i do want to start here. i was told about an hour ago from the governor's office that governor hodges is going to be here governor beasley will be joining governor nikki haley, but not governor mark sanford. why are you not here sir? >> i would love to be there, but as you know i have a constitutional duty. that is to try to represent
750,000 people down the coast of south carolina and cast votes for them. we have votes today unfortunately here in washington. were it not for that i would absolutely be there with you in columbia. >> reasonable for that i would love to be there in south carolina. >> a reasonable explanation. your stance on the confederate battle flag changed over the weeks after the shooting? obviously today you support its removal. why was this an issue that you felt you needed to evolve on? >> i think everybody did. you have the governor herself saying just a short time ago to different business groups that the compromise had been reached, it is settled, it needs to stay as it was. so whether from the governor on down everybody viewed the obvious, which you well know living there in columbia you know, an uneasy truce had settled. you had the compromise of 15 years ago where the flag had been taken down put in a place of memorial on the state house
grounds, and concurrently you had the african-american monument commemorating lives lost in the times of slavery. that uneasy truce held for 15 years, and it took really the actions of those nine families -- i mean, their sort of superhuman rather glorious level of grace, miraculous level of grace, that's what created the vacuum that really changed the confederate flag. if i was to credit anybody with the flag coming down and the change of political course it is those nine families and how they reacted to the shooter in the wake of the horrendous events down in charleston. >> governor knowing what we know now, do you regret not evolving on this issue sooner? >> again, i give you the same answer i gave just a moment ago, which is everybody in this state -- i mean you had jenny horn after her impassioned
speech yesterday on the floor, if i could only imagine a couple weeks ago this would have changed. what changed again, was the miraculous reaction that spirit-filled, grace-filled reaction of those nine families looking at the shooter, looking at the murderer and saying, i forgive you. everybody in our state, i think across the country and ultimately around the globe had to scratch their head and say, how in the world could people be capable of that level of grace? they credited it to god, and i think in its wake people then said what can i then do? that's what created this political change and, you know i'm amongst a throng of different political folks --
andy randolph believed passionately it should come down. but if you had the same conversation with john rainey and others in the state, they would have said it's politically very difficult. a miraculous change came as a result of miraculous grace by those families. >> thank you so much congressman mark sanford, former governor of south carolina. congressman, always good to see you. thanks so much for your time. again, we are just minutes away here from the misshistoric minute at the state capitol, the removal of the confederate flag. we'll have that for you when it happens straight ahead on "the rundown." so let's do something about it. premarin vaginal cream can help. it provides estrogens to help rebuild vaginal tissue and make intercourse more comfortable. premarin vaginal cream treats vaginal changes due to menopause and moderate-to-severe painful intercourse caused
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steps of the state house here. we are told that this is a ceremony that is going to last just a few moments. there won't be any speeches. the governor's office says it is going to be short, it is going to be solemn. the people gathered on the steps are a number of folks who were instrumental in crafting the legislation to get the flag down. i also see from a distance -- i don't think you can see it from your vantage point at home charleston mayor joe riley on the steps of the state house posing for pictures. a lot of state lawmakers, a lot of state senators taking selfies with each other. i'm also told by the governor's office that moments before the flag will be taken down governor nikki haley will be joined by governor hodges. governor beasley also will be joining her. governor beasley back in 1996
called for removal of the state flag. he said that the lord spoke to him in a dream, and he shared that with the voters of south carolina and he was not reelected. a lot of folks say that the confederate battle flag likely cost governor jim beasley his political future here in the state. folks are gathered on the steps. the department of public safety honor guard are in position as well. those are the men and women who will be taking down the confederate battle flag and they will also be responsible for its transport to the confederate museum. mike is joining us live in washington, d.c. mike always great to have you for these historic moments. michael, give us a sense of why this is historic. how did we get here? >> well historic it is. it's a morning, craig, that i think most of us thought we would never live to see.
there are these odd historic references. the civil war ended 150 years. it began in charleston. now the atrocity the nine murders in charleston is what leads to the lowering of this flag. as we talk about this as a symbol of confederate battle flag slavery in the civil war and armed rebellion against the federal government it was just as important a symbol because this was revived in the early 1960s as an expression of anger and antagonism at the movement towards civil rights immigration also ushered in by the federal government. it's both those movements, both those historical symbols that people have reacted against this week. >> i also want positiveto apologize here really quickly. i estimated the crowd at 1500 a few minutes ago. that was based on my vantage
point. we've got this view now from a helicopter and there are easily several thousand people who have assembled here on a sweltering friday morning here in south carolina. this crowd considerably larger than the crowd we saw here some 15 years ago when the same flag was taken from high atop the state house dome and moved to its current location. and you just alluded to this. here in south carolina i was dropping in from the airport last night and saw a confederate battle flag flying out in front of a dive bar. i went and got coffee this morning. there is a chevy 4x4 with a confederate flag hoisted proudly in the back. it was flapping in the wind there right on main street. how real is the possibility, michael beslaus, that the lowering of this confederate flag is only going to give rise to a new movement that you're going to see more folks start to
embrace the flag? >> that's always possible but what the south carolina legislature has essentially said is this is government property, this is something held by all south carolinans, and for a symbol to be there that is so offensive to so many south carolinans and americans was just not acceptable anymore. >> all right. nbc presidential historian michael beslaus. michael, thank you so much. >> a pleasure. i want to bring in state senator marlin kempson who represents the area in the low country affected by this. i think we're seeing some of the victims' families there assembling on the state house grounds as well. those are folks who are related to the nine people who were
gunned down a few weeks ago. do you recognize any of them sir? >> well i know that we have members of the myra thompson family here, and i also know that we have members from the susie jackson family here. so what we're witnessing is the state coming together really what began as paying tribute to the manuel 9, but it's grown to south carolina strong and as you can tell by the crowd here we're now united states of america strong. family members, people from all walks of life are assembled here today to send a message to the state and the rest of the nation. and we're going to end these divisive symbols and come away united with the rest of
legislature. >> as we talk here this is just in the past few moments, these chants of "take it down take it down take it down." in addition to this being historic for obvious reasons, this is powerful. your father for instance who has been in the fight in south carolina longer than you and i have been alive. i know you talked to the secretary of state here in south carolina, milt onon gibson. what has he shared with you about this day and what it means for him? >> i appreciate the question. here we have the brother -- gerald malloy but we also have the brother of senator
clementapinclementap clementapclementap clementa pinckney. >> governor beasley and also governor brother malloy. this is a very powerful issue. >> it is. it's very powerful. bipartisan support. you got senator corson up there. he was associated with the sons of confederacy, the historical group. he is there with his wife. >> i want to bring in congressman jim kleinberg who is standing by for us in washington d.c. congressman, i apologize in advance because i may have to cut you off if this ceremony starts. congressman, this is something
that you have been fighting for your entire political career. did you think that you would see the day that it came? >> thank you so much for having me melvin. you're right, i joined this fight, really back in 1987 when i wrote an op-ed piece about the history of the confederate battle flag and a lot of the misrepresentations that were going forth. i was recruited into this fight by former senator kay patterson who fought a lonely battle for a long time trying to get the flag out of the chambers and off of the dome. now some 15 years ago, when the flag came out of the chambers and off the dome they decided to place it there in front of the building. today, after 54 years, they're now going to put the flag where
it should be in the confederate relic room housed in the -- in a state museum and all of us who want to research the history, who want to see what the memorabilia of this is all about, we'll go to the museum to accomplish that. i'm so proud of what the government has done, what the legislature has done in order to bring our state together. we need to be one people one state, one nation. >> congressman kleinberg, stand by for me. the ceremony appears to be getting under way, and they're moving into position again.
and there goes the confederate battle flag. [ cheers and applause ] >> after more than 50 years, more than five decades of flying here on the state house grounds in a ceremony that may have lasted five minutes, it is off to a confederate relic room. governor nikki haley now on the steps of the state house with republicans and democrats alike. i looked up at one point. she exhaled visibly. also appeared to be wiping some tears from her eyes. so was former governor beasley who many many years ago called for the flag to be taken down
and told that the gentleman you saw who received that flag is with the confederate relic museum here in south carolina and he will be taking it there himself. i'm still joined now by nbc presidential historian michael beslaus. also joined by democratic congressman, assistant house leader jim kleinberg there in washington d.c. congressman kleinberg, let me start with you and just get some initial reactions to what was a powerful moment here on the ground. >> a very very powerful moment. i expected to see a lot of interest in this. but quite frankly, craig, that crowd impresses me a great deal. i had no idea that the crowd would get that large and i am
very proud of my native south carolinans. they are a remarkable group of people and i'm still proud of the fact that the rest of the country -- the rest of the world, if you please got a chance to really see the real soul of south carolinans. they now know that the so-called silent people are now speaking up through their actions, through the governor's leadership, the legislature's response, and i got to give a shout-out to jenny horn. i'm trying to reach her by phone. i do believe that her speech on the floor of the house really changed the trajectory of what was about to take place in that body. when i saw that motion to table failed by one vote i thought
that we might see a drawn-out process. but she then interceded with a very impassioned speech. a descendant of jefferson davis, the president of the confederacy confederacy. for someone to live her entire life in low country, south carolina, to step up as she did, i think it says a lot for the -- what i call bipartisan leadership that is beginning to meld in south carolina and i think it will take our state to new heights. this is not going to end this discussion. the confederate battle flag still flies in the summerall chapel down at the citadel. i think we really need to get serious about removing these symbols from all positions of
officialdom and really start to bring our state together. >> congressman, i hate to interrupt a congressman, but i do want to bring in -- senator, come back up here. you know what we'll have to use your microphone. come back up here step up. one of the major reasons we are here today is because of what happened in the church basement over three weeks ago. for our viewers and listeners at home, please tell us who you are and your loved one who was lost that night. >> my name is marlene oakley jenkins. my sister is myra thompson. she was the person who led the bible study and that was her first night's assignment for the internship she was going through to become a minister. that was one of her assignments, to lead the bible study that evening. and she was doing what she was tasked to do. >> and as she watches all of
this unfold from above this morning, what do you think she's thinking? >> she's proud of her church family she's proud of presiding elder goff and how he stepped in, and he's been a strong spiritual leader for all of us. and we're just grateful. we're proud of our police force and the work that they've done. we're proud of our elected officials, including senator kempson, and all of our officials have been just gracious to the families. >> there's been a lot made of what happened this morning being a direct result of what happened that night at mother emanuel.
>> but i believe that the city of charleston and my grandchildren will know how proud i am of being a part of this historical moment even at the cost that it you know presented itself to our family. >> before i let you get down because i don't think we should lose sight of how we got here those nine people who were gunned down at the end of a wednesday night prayer meeting. and you and i both know that the folks who go to church on wednesdays, those are the most devout. what was she like? >> she was compassionate, she was caring she was an educator and she did what she was ordained to do which was to
teach. she was loving and she was fun. i'm going to miss her because we spoke on the phone for hours at a time and that was regularly. >> and in her death, she was also an angel as well. >> she is an angel. >> before i let you go as well and be with your family what's next? what's next for the state of south carolina? what's next for legislators as well? because as you know you've been part of that general assembly for some time now. you guys aren't known for getting along too well. >> well and craig, i think what we have here is we have a road map for a bipartisan coalition working together for change. this is what our symbol is going to be.
the tone that these families demonstrated through this process will change i think, the way we work together for not only race relations but a certain agenda to include all people in south carolina and two of the major issues that my colleague senator pinckney worked for was health care for all. so i think we're going to start the discussion with an honest discourse about the affordable health care act and medicaid expansion in south carolina. but what also is as important is we want to make sure that all people are able to earn a living wage and get the benefits so we have an economic base. we have to change the banter and discourse and move it to one of empowering people economically,
including businesses in this economic industry of south carolina. so i'll be working along with these families and along with my constituents in the state of south carolina to move all of us forward. >> senator kempson, thank you. and thank you as well. and a big thank you to all of the family members. >> thank you. michael beslaus is still standing by, is that my understanding? >> i'm here. >> michael, i want to come back to something we just heard. this movement that appears to be afoot, perhaps, all over this country to reexamine confederate war memorials, to reexamine the placement of federal battle flags. do you think this is something that is going to continue to gain traction? are we going to see lots of lawmakers all over the country, especially in the deep south where those symbols are far more prevalent and prominent, take a second look at what those symbols are and what they mean
and whether they should be where they're placed? >> i think that's probably inevitable. i think you will likely see that probably begin to accelerate. that's why we historians say history is an argument without end and it also has a political impact. you can't just look at something like the confederate battle flag and say this is just something that's ancient history and you have to consider it very different from what people feeley moeshlfeel feel emotionally nowadays. the public has proved that they're a lot less tolerant of symbols they thought was perfectly fine a few years ago. you're seeing this in various sports teams names. we're living in a different age. >> this different age you speak of michael, is this directly the result of what happened in charleston, or do you think that there was an impetus, perhaps, before that? was there a paradigm shift that was already starting to happen
before the massacre? >> yeah i think it was beginning to happen. i think everyone in south carolina and elsewhere, virtually everyone is saying it was this horrible tragedy that accelerated the movement. in washington d.c. our highway is named after jefferson davis, robert e. lee. these are things that just a few years ago people might have said these are historical names and don't mean that much. nowadays, i think people are coming to realize they have a political resonance that people have to think about. >> i want to bring in former governor david beasley now. governor beasley, governor here in the palmetto state in the late '90s. i looked up at one point as that flag was being lowered and you were wiping your eye. an emotional day. >> oh my goodness. i didn't expect it to be that emotional. it's a very joyous day, a happy day, but i didn't expect it to
be that emotional. amazing. this is such a blessing to the people of south carolina and all over the nation and around the world. the atrocity of this one man killing these innocent people was a heartbreaking incident. but the light of the transformation with the love the light and the forgiveness. jesus said to forgive. these people have taught us how to do that. these folks have taught us how to do that. imagine if we can have every american loving their neighbor regardless of the color, regardless of their differences. >> and forgiving their neighbor. i want to play just a bit of sound. this is then-governor david beasley on "nbc nightly news" in 1996. i'm going to play this sound and we'll talk about it on the other side. take a listen. >> south carolina governor david
beasley wants it moved from the capitol dome to a monument on the state house grounds because of its use in recent hate crime. >> no one, no symbol nothing, should justify crime of any nature in this state. >> you calling for that flag to come down cost you your political career. that's what a lot of folks said. what happened back in the late '90s. >> it was a different ball game back then. the opposition was, quite frankly, shocking and unbelievable. but sometimes it takes people a while. unfortunately, it takes some atrocity or horrific events to change hearts. but the point is today is the day, and it's a great day for all south carolinans. this is not a move based on political rightness. this is not a move to wipe out history. this is not a move that disrespects anybody's heritage this is a move to say that we are a country and a state that believes in love and grace and mercy to all.
and this flag will now be put in its proper place not out of bitterness and hatred but out of love and compassion. >> as you wiped that tear out there, was there a sense of vindication as well? >> oh i don't know -- >> be honest. >> it was a happy day. >> i saw you reach over and say something to governor haley. what did you say? >> i said to her, i don't know if i can hold back my tears. she was wiping her tears. we were trying not to cry. >> i saw her wiping tears as well. to folks who are not as familiar, perhaps, with some kinds of politics you look at the state house steps today, and i saw a lot of folks standing shoulder to shoulder arm in arm, that politically don't really get along. >> wasn't that amazing? black and white, male and female, left and right, democrat republican. that's what love does. love transcends political and racial and religious division. >> but will this be a love that endures? >> it has to be.
that's what i'm going to challenge, and i hope other leaders do to challenge every south carolinan that this light on the hill this beacon on the hill let's not stop here. that doesn't necessarily mean moral legislation. that means in your home that means in your neighborhood. that means sitting down with someone you have a problem with and say, hey, forgive me and i forgive you. let's sit down and break bread with sisters and friends and be americans. >> i was talking to my sister the other day, and she said to me this is about more than a flag this is in part about changing perceptions as well. you spend a lot of time traveling the world. what does this do the lowering of the flag? what does this do for the reputation of south carolina at home and abroad? >> i think it sends a very clear message, that we are people that like to be unified. that we are people that do not want to erase our past respect and understand our past but to
look at our past to see how we can live a better day today. this symbol needed to be put in its proper place. here's what's really been unbelievable. last weekend i was talking to one of the most ardent flag supporters in south carolina. he was one of my biggest enemies 20 years ago. he came up to me and said governor, my heart has been changed. and i said why, is it because of the nine ruthless killings of this man? he said no that broke my heart. and i said what changed you, then? he said, the love and forgiveness of the families and the victims, that changed my heart. >> had they not been so forgiving so quickly, had they not looked at that judge and the killer in the eyes and said we forgive you of a killing less than 36 hours before that? would we be here today? >> no i don't think we would be
here today. all the darkness of the world can't put out the light of one man. those families were like the combustion of love that transformed hearts not just in south carolina. i had friends from all over the world, hindus native americans, people in texas calling and saying, wow. you lift up love and people are drawn to it. real love. >> governor beasley, a man before his time. >> as they say, the last living casualty of the civil war. >> so appropriate. governor good to see you. so much more ahead on this historic day in columbia, south carolina. fire it up! ♪ am i the only one with a meeting? i've got two. yeah we've gotta go. i gotta say it man this is a nice set-up. too soon.
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crowds are starting to dissipate here. there were literally thousands of folks who lined the streets to watch the confederate battle flag come down in a simple somber, short ceremony. it lasted maybe all of five or six minutes as several governors looked on and as young, old, black, white, as they also looked on as well. we'll have lots more from here in columbia in just a few moments. right now let's get to that breaking news in vienna austria. i just got word from a senior state department official that nuclear talks with iran are being extended through monday now. nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell joins me by phone from vienna. andrea we just spoke 30 or 45 minutes ago. what happened? >> reporter: they clearly are not getting together in reaching an agreement. there was an interim agreement that was going to expire on friday night, the agreement that capped iran's nuclear activity and temporarily gave them some
sanction relief. it's been in place since december of a year ago, so at this point the only option was to extend it. the question was how long they would extend it 24 48 hours. the fact they're extending it until monday is not very promising because it means things don't get done until the very last minute and it means they can go right through sunday night until monday and monday night vienna time if they want to. this keeps everything in place. iran can't say it's going to break out. the u.s. can't say it's going to stop the sanction release. the money will keep flowing in the temporary relief they had from sanctions, not all the big sanctions, and everybody is going to stay at the negotiating table continuing until monday. craig? >> andrea mitchell our chief foreign affairs correspondent on the breaking news for us in vienna that the nuclear talks have been extended through monday. andrea welcome back to you in
just a bit. thank you so much. meanwhile, back here the palmetto state made history with that confederate flag coming down that had flown here for more than five decades ago was removed from state house grounds here. i am joined now by wanda bailey as we play back for viewers and listeners at home when the flag came down wanda bailey who worked with strom thurman, and he was the third longest serving senator in the usa, and also known for being america's biggest segregationist back in the 1960s. the grandmother here wanda bailey. as you saw this flag come down knowing what it meant for your grandfather in his political
career before this change of heart, what went through your mind? >> first of all, i want to give honor to god. this is a joyous occasion. for the nine victims who lost their lives, hopefully the family will receive peace through some of this that has transpired. it's a defining moment for south carolinans. it's interesting because i'm using that moment proudly because i never considered myself a south carolinan. >> really. >> although i moved here several years ago, i chose not to accept that. and, you know i would travel around and i would see the flag and it's a clear reminder of all the things that have transpired. so in answer to your question about my grandfather, he was a stark segregationist, i'm aware of that and it has been a struggle for me. have i fully accepted that? let's skwlusjust say i made peace with it and i had to learn to move on. but today is a defining moment for south carolina. this is the time for them to
take the opportunity, this is a starting point for us. but there's a lot more work that needs to be done. for those who think this is it this is only the beginning that we need to move forward to address other areas of interest for other things we need to accomplish here. i'm happy. i'm very happy. >> one of the things that struck me as we watched it come down and folks broke into applause and there was chanting followed by singing as well this was an emotional moment for a lot of people visibly emotional moment for a lot of folks. did it surprise you that people were literally weeping as the flag came down? >> no i was emotional. i was emotional yesterday as the bill was signed by governor haley. that flag was an iconic symbol that represented all the things that was attributed to the hate. when i talk about it i like to identify it as psychological oppression that affected
african-americans. and up until today, there has been a sense of relief because of that. not just during the jim crow era of slavery, this has been lifelong. so now with the flag being taken down, thank you that it is a new day. it is absolutely a new day. >> wanda, you were there, auzs you mentioned, with the governor when she signed the bill. she used nine pens one for each victim in the massacre. what has the governor said? >> i haven't talked to her personally, but she stepped up and did a remarkable thing. you have common ground with the house of representatives and the senate. this was something that needed to happen. and the fact that they did it on a bipartisan level was remarkable. and that being said then i think they can do more of that. so hopefully that will happen. >> one would hope. >> one would hope. thank you. >> thank you so much wanda
bailey granddaughter of the late strom thurman. we will have more on this historic day. i want to thank congressman jim kleinberg as well. we should note the congressman's daughter is standing up here. we're not going to embarrass her or put her on television -- she's right behind me -- dad says hi. more on this historic day on "the rundown" here on msnbc. we'll be right back. when my back pain flared up we both felt it i took tylenol at first but i had to take 6 pills to get through the day. then my friend said "try aleve". just two pills, all day. and now, i'm back for my best bud! aleve. all day strong and try aleve pm now with an easy open cap. [ school bell rings ] ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] everything kids touch at school sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox
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federal agency is trying to recover from a massive cyber attack that compromised the records of more than 21 million people including their social security numbers. the attack also exposed information about employment residency and police families finances, criminal records, user names, pass words vl. justice correspondent pete williams joins me from washington. pete, at this point what do we know about the folks who may have been responsible for this? >> the government as a policy matter in general hasn't said although intelligence officials have said they believe it's china. there doesn't seem to be much doubt about this but there won't be what you might call a formal declaration of that because it's going to involve a lot of foreign policy considerations, it will immediately raise the question of what do we do in response and the question of retaliation, if you will, has always been a rather sensitive one that's not
been well developed. everybody has always said it's going to depend on the circumstances whether we just diplomatically object, whether we respond in kind whether we respond in some other way. so that's something the government is now discussing and will have to figure out here in the coming weeks and months. >> what do we know about the people who were targeted pete? >> well it's a huge number. it's basically anybody who has applied for a job in the federal government, has been employed in the federal government except the military going back for at least a decade or so and the thing about this is if you apply for a sensitive government position you get a security clearance, for example. you have to provide a lot more information about your past. members of your family places you've lived, places you've gone to school foreign trips you've taken, people you have regular contact with overseas and the
theer a here is this is not like a conventional act of getting information out of a target or something else, the theory is this is for intelligence valley not to steal the social security numbers, sell them on the black market and can be used for identity theft. that's why this is so concerning is it could be used to ferret out who might be intelligent sources on china for the u.s. >> pete williams our man at justice. pete, thank you so much. i always appreciate your time. have a good weekend. up next history unfolding behind me here in columbia south carolina. in just the last hour a symbol that divided so many for so long comes down. in a few hours the flagpole itself, we're told will be removed from state house grounds as well. the key moments of the morning up next on "the rundown." i'll also be joined by dr. ronny randolph. he runs the naacp here. they have lifted the sanctions
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south carolina plans to lift its boycott now that the confederate flag has come down from the state house grounds. the naacp president says he's going to look for a resolution for the palmetto state at its national convention in philadelphia this weekend. he first announced that statewide ban of south carolina back in 2000. it's been 15 years a boycott was also observed by the naacaa. it lifted its ban from hosting championships. always good to see you, sir. this is something you've been fighting for, advocating for
literally my entire life. you're up there watching it come down. what went through your mind? >> ready to start the next battle. that's over with and we need to move on. our entire outlook is about respecting people universally. today is the anniversary, july 10 1968 equal protection under the law. how can a person who look like i do and you do have equal protection under the law with the symbol the universal symbol of bigotry, hatred and white supremacy flying on state property? we don't care about it flying in your yard in front of your bank, in front of your hospital. the state has no business endorsing the doctrines and philosophy that the confederates -- nothing in the confederate constitution says anything good about people of
color. so this is going to help people feel better about themselves and will also we hope will force the members of our general assembly to disengage themselves with the confederate mindset, which is one of unfairness. >> one of the things that struck me in the past few weeks is for the first time i think probably in my life i've seen in this state republicans, democrats, blacks and whites getting along, talking, solving a problem. do you think that this is the beginning of a new era in state government, or do you think this is probably more than likely an anomaly? >> it's more like an anomaly, but i'm hopeful. it's an anomaly that may catch on. i wish some of the anomalies in south carolina would become contagious so that those occasions where people do right. let's be real accident, craig. why would it take grown people
16 hours of arguing over a basic issue of respect? i'm sad that we demonstrated that type of conduct to the world. but i'm hoping that we will get, number one, more people registered to vote more people voting. 490 days before the next election. we can't play around with this issue, because everything african-americans has gained is under attack. >> will there be a short-term economic benefit for the state, do you think? >> well the state will do well as a result of the sanctions. at the least, both men and women will feel better about coming to south carolina. we were discredited with how ineffective we were. i've never seen so many people celebrate the flag coming down just because it came down. the economic impact of the naacp was felt from around the world, from harlan from germany, from canada to disciples of christ because of their support. these are national organizations
who supported the cause of justice and respect, the causes that naacp has spoken about and is part of our history and part of our legacy. >> thank you, mr. randolph. >> thank you. i'm happy to be here with you. >> this has been your cause literally my entire life. >> i remember when you were born craig, so you're right. you're doing quite well. we are extremely proud of you. we want other young men and women to have the same opportunity that you had to go away to get to have those same opportunities here in south carolina. congratulations. your mom and dad are proud of you. >> thank you very much. as i said earlier, and i'll say it again here i'm proud of my state. whatever your feelings are about the flag you should know that this has been something that has divided a lot of people in this state for a very long time.
so to see it come down and come down peacefully and to bring folks together in the way that it has over the past few hours and over the past few weeks here in south carolina it's been more than historic. it's been something more than that. it's been very special here in south carolina after fierce discussion, raw emotion of the confederate flag has come down from the state house grounds in columbia. less than one hour ago taken down as a massive crowd, a crowd that was in the thousands looked on many cheering others shouting "usa usa." it happened a day after governor nikki haley signed into law a bill to remove the flag from state house grounds. it also happened some 23 days
after that horrific shooting at mother emanuel church in charleston that claimed the lives of nine wednesday night worshippers whose memories will live on forever in the hearts of their families the hearts of their friends,. some of their relatives are present today as that flag came down. the flag had been flying in its position at the soldier confederate monument the past 50 years. it was 54 years ago that it went up over the state house initially, so truly, history being made today here in columbia. the confederate flag no longer flying. we can tell you that it has been taken to the confederate relic museum. that happened just a few moments ago. it is in the museum where it will remain. the pole itself that $30,000 pole that wasie erected back in 2000 will be removed sometime this afternoon, and south carolina will move on. that's going to wrap up the
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with high potency vitamin b12... ...and more vitamin d. good morning, i'm craig melvin live from columbia south carolina. it is a historic day here for the state, for this country as well. for the first time in more than 50 years, the confederate battle flag is no longer flying at the state capitol in columbia. the flag brought down in the last hour. a very short and emotional ceremony. a massive crowd erupting in cheers as the department of public safety honor guard brought down the flag and rolled it up before delivering it to the