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south carolina highway patrol honor guard. it was instantly an iconic image. our joy reed spoke to campbell and two honor guard members shortly after the ceremony. >> throughout your careers in the honor guard, that flag has flown, obviously, here in front of these grounds. was there any personal meaning for any of you in being the ones to bring it down? >> no not for me. not at all. again, it's another ceremony that we had to do. the biggest thing is just being honored to be a part of this historical moment. >> there's a sense of awareness to an historical day, and to be part of the team and to be -- have a small part to play was humbling for me. >> this was your second participation in an event of great moment for the country, not just the state.
your honor guard accompanied the body of senator clementa pinckney. you were part of that as well. was that on any of your minds as you brought this flag down today? >> it's just an honor for us to be a small part of this historic event. >> for me what's happened in south carolina over the last couple of weeks has been really special. gives me a sense of hope and to have a small part to play in that, to be here in part of a bigger team has been pretty special. >> give us a sense because this is completely unique of walking up to that flagpole hearing the crowd. tell us how that felt. set the scene. >> hearing the roar of the crowd. me personally just gave us a sense of how people come together under tragedies. and just to show that unity, if
you will was very humbling to me. >> joining me from south carolina is joy reed msnbc national correspondent. i thought that interview was fascinating because amidst the pop and circumstance you could feel in their responses still the kind of electric third rail power of that flag. >> absolutely chris. there is such a formality to the process. i was in the color guard in the fifth grade in denver colorado. always this importance on the way you treat emblems and flags. a way you fold them and bring them down. they were extremely formal people but they were really sort of even themselves overtaken by the importance. this is the same color guard that accompanied the body senator clementa pinckney when he was laid in state at the
capitol. this was a series of events that members of this honor guard have been a part of and they had to maintain that incredible formality. i was standing in the crowd. you have to hear the volume the amount of cheering the people who were crying. singing. at one point people began singing "amazing grace" the "good-bye" song. joviality to literal tears that were happening all around. yet they maintained this incredible formality. you could get a sneak peek in there that they did understand they were part of something really important for this state. >> the moment was profoundly emotional watching it even watching it on television. you just talked about what the crowd was like. who were the folks that were there and why had they come by and large? >> it was interesting. a lot of grandparents brought grandchildren. a lot of parents brought their
children. they brought them because they wanted them to grow up and say they were here when they saw the history of this state change. that flag really burned in the souls of particularly african-americans. even some white south carolinians. one woman who literally said she's never been able to really look at this capitol. this is a beautiful capitol building. gorgeous architecture. she never looked at it. every time she turned toward it she saw that flag. she was maybe in her mid-50s. for the first time today she was able to look at the capitol and really take in the capitol without a symbol that she felt rejected her just very being. and once that flag came down she didn't yell or sing. she wasn't one of the people cheering. she literally wept. that really summarizes the emotion we saw this morning.
>> joy, i want to ask you about another development in the story of the charleston massacre today. we've learned the alleged shooter purchased the weapon and should not have cleared his fbi background check on purchasing that weapon because of a previous drug conviction. but that due to a mistake, a clerical mistake, he was able to get that weapon. james comey spooking about it today. this strikes me as a pretty big deal in how we're going to think of this story going forward. >> it's a huge deal. all of the many ironies in this story. that weapon was purchased by dylann roof here in columbia. what happened was essentially the fbi background check process ran out of time. it's a three-day background check process. they went looking for columbia county but didn't see the record of his previous drug arrest. that drug arrest would have
triggered him to not be able to buy that. had he not been able to buy it he couldn't have sat in that church and killed them all and conducted this massacre. we found out this was not a failure of the state's gun laws. and south carolina's state gun laws are very liberal and probably going to get more liberal. this was a failure of the federal system. we'll see if this prompts them to look at the background system and the three-day expiration period. had the fbi obtained those records and needed to look in the correct city of columbia not the county you may have been able to stop this man from getting the weapon. it forced people to really be shamed. shamed into changing their stance on that flag that is no longer here. not only is the flag gone. the pole is gone too. about 2:00 p.m. this afternoon,
the pole was taken down as well. all this was set into motion by essentially a mistake. the fbi failing to catch he had a prior drug arrest and shouldn't have been able to purchase that gun. >> joy reid it's been a tremendous bonus for all of us to have you down there this week. joining me now, kevin alexander gray who took me on a tour of the confederate sites in the days after. protesting that flag trying to get that flag taken down. how are you feeling today? >> like everyone in south carolina, i feel a great joy that flag has come down. i think about the nine martyrs that were the period to the end of that story. and i'm really overjoyed at the way the community has come together. as a black person over the last three weeks, engaging white
citizens talking about race talking about history, talking about that flag coming down really showing some honest raw emotions looking at jenny horne make that speech. i tear up when i hear that speech. give the governor her credit. it's on to the next battle. a lot of us fought for decades to get that flag down. the younger generation has to look at the symbols of our history and taking that on and the history lesson goes on. >> do you think this battle over the flag and the wake of the massacre in charleston has it opened up space for whatever the next battle is? has it opened up something more profound larger than just the sort of disgrace of that specific symbol? >> if we're going to have a national conversation on race it has to be an honest conversation about history, about racism and what it means,
about white supremacy and what it means. in the last three weeks we've had at discussion. you jump-started that discussion, to give you credit that night in charleston when we talked about the state, the rose named after confederate heroes buildings named after confederate heros. i've been having discussion about those white folk that worry about whether we're going down a slippery slope. think about it. every black person in america has the last name of a slave or plantation master. that's how embedded the whole idea of slavery is in our history. and people take that for granted that black people carry the slavemaster's name. clementa pinckney. pinckney is the name of a large slave owning famley. hammond, middleton. that's the burden of our country. if we're honest and have that discussion about race we can move forward. and south carolina being the home of the ideological home of
white supremacy, the first state to secede from the union, it ought to lead that discussion. >> kevin alexander gray thank you for sharing all your insight on this over the last few weeks. really appreciate it. up next, how one passing comment in a rambling announcement speech has now become donald trump's entire campaign. how do fact check conservatives on obamacare. step one have the facts. step two, repeat. solar energy might finally be booming. why it's taken so long to get here. that and more ahead. fire it up! ♪ am i the only one with a meeting? i've got two. yeah we've gotta go. i gotta say it man this is a nice set-up. too soon. just kidding. nissan sentra. j.d. power's "highest ranked compact car in initial quality." now get 0% financing or a great
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even merit to talk about this as a policy question. we should be talking about long-term criminal immigrant, criminal illegals who come here and are basically protecting these cities. but the way he's doing it is so destructive and he's throwing haymakers with this one issue. yes, he is activating a fraction of the base very upset about this issue and very passionate about this issue and it's become this vicious media cycle where the -- it's -- we're cursive of how it feeds on itself. every time he says something outrageous he gets coverage and feedback and does something more outrageous the next day. this isn't going to caper off until someone calls him and drags him into the rest of the issue fight that republican candidates can and should be talking about. >> right. you said this last time you were on and it was a good point.
he's going to run like a front-runner. he's got to do things that serious presidential candidates do. here's my immigration plan or tax plan. actually produce some paper. have some kind of architecture of what a trump presidency would look like. but he just also seems -- >> except for -- except for this issue and sort of vague sense of swagger, the guy has nothing out there on the table. oh, i'll take care of china and negotiate with putin. that seems a little vague. doesn't seem to be a lot of meat on the bones beyond this one particular hallmark of his campaign. >> do you think a lot about, as i do and i will admit to a little schaudenfreud about it. what is that going to look like
now that he seems as almost a means of saving face to be so committed with essentially trying to establish he was right in that offhanded comments in announcement speech. >> donald trump is going to try to turn this into an episode of "the apprentice." turn this debate into the clown show that only he can make it happen as. he's going to try to tear up all the scenery in the room and be big and dramatic and call the other candidates to account. insult them. get in their faces. bump up against their chest because that's his m.o. you can see the pattern he's pursuing and predict what's going to happen in that debate. you won't get the degree of substance. there are four or five candidates whether you agree with their politics or not, who are serious people. smart, considerate thinkers. and they're going to end up with this debate being donald trump asked, do you believe the
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your numbers are worse than obama's. >> all right. during that same show we pulled up this graph which is from gallup, not pew and it's showing the uninsured rate dropped to 11.9% in the first quarter of this year. you see that there, that sharp decline some might characterize as plummeting. that's the data. today we got more data from the folks at gallup. and you'll never guess what's happened after that. between that show and now we've seen the uninsured rate drop to a new low. 11.4%. it's dropping particularly among people of color and people of low income. now there are all sorts of ways to criticize obamacare and all sorts of ways you can say it's not restraining costs, premiums may be going up but the one thing it is clearly doing is reducing the number of folks uninsured. so let's please drop that line
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where we are right now in san francisco is a city of over 100,000 people called richmond california. for years it's been a city plagued with violence. 2009 crime data listed it as the sixth most dangerous city in all of america. a city that for the time a murder scene from that year could be clearly scene in the satellite photos. then an incredible turn around. homicides were down. don to the lowest numbers since 1980. much of the credit is given to the richmond police chief chris magnus in his unconventional policing style that stresses community outreach over show of force. also a controversial program
that shows it's actually paying people not to shoot each other. joining me is the founding director of that program, devone boggan. >> thanks for having me. >> you guys are literally paying people not to commit violent crimes. >> yes, and no. let me first say that if we're going to seriously end gun violence in this country, guys like the young men we're working with have to be seen as part of the solution to the equation. certainly we're paying them if you consider putting an 18-month nonmandated fellowship around them to help them help us do something we've demonstrated we can't do without them. this fellowship is a privilege sti pend. they can earn up to $1,000 a
month, after six months of participating for 9 of the remaining months. >> there's criteria to qualify and you keep them in this fellowship program. >> young men seen as the most lethal. active firearm offenders who avoided sustained criminal consequences. >> you had this idea of doing this. >> absolutely. in 2009 richmond had 45 firearm related homicides. in 2010 early, i am sitting with a group of law enforcement personalities working gun crimes in our city and i continue to hear the thing they believe categorically speaking that 17 people may be responsible for 70% of that activity. >> 1-7, 17 people. less than half. >> this is a time where richmond is on the news every night. >> it's becoming notorious.
>> that made me sit up. it was an ah-ha moment. if it's 17 people we can wrap our arms around these people in a different kind of way and do something provocative with them. i asked each of those agencies to give me their list of 17. it ended up being about 28 individuals. i assigned my street outreach team, neighborhood change agents to go out into those communities. these are rival group members. >> these are people law enforcement know as active in groups committing gone violence. central to the nexus of that. >> and haven't been able to arrest. evidence witnesses, what have you. so i send out our neighborhood change agents with a mandate. let's get these 28 people. >> like a list of names. >> that's what we're going to focus on. invite them to city hall to have them sit down.
in three different groups. before we can get ourselves organized we lost three of those individuals to gun violence. 25 folks who were invited and 21 of them showed up. that's provocative that 21 young men showed up. that said between ages of 16 and 25. that says a lot about our street outreach team and their ability to convince them they weren't being set up for a law enforcement sting. >> you say i've got a proposal for you? >> hey, i'm going to tell you something. you're very powerful. you have a lot of influence and quite frankly i believe if this city is ever going to reach the peace it wants to see and feel on our streets, it must come through you. i'm asking you to partner with us to reduce gun violence. i'm going to help you do that and everybody in this room is going to help you to do that. we'll put an infrastructure called a fellowship around you to help you do it.
>> it's tangible in numbers. there are people saying it's insanity. they have most likely committed violent crimes may be guilty of homicides. instead of putting them behind bars you're saying come partner with me. >> these young men are out on our streets isolated idle navigating and using all kinds of substances to cope. left to their own devices we're going to see more and more violence. the clearance rates in cities that are facing epidemic rates of gun violence -- >> the homicide clearance rates. >> they don't get solved. >> these gentlemen were on the street already. >> why not go at them full speed ahead directly and engage them in a very different way. >> this is in thinking about, reporting on criminal justice for years, this is one of the most fascinating pilot programs
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it will not pollute the air or poison our waters. >> reporter: the technology and will existed to make solar a viable alternative to fossil fuels. >> you don't blame the middle east or president. you blame the sun. >> reporter: solar energy wus the future. >> the solar heating business is expanding that the federal government has set up a solar information center. >> reporter: by 1979 the country appeared to be on the verge of a solar revolution. and the carter administration set a goal. 20% of the country's needs would be drawn from solar by the end of the century. >> these solar panels cost almost $30,000 and heat only the water in the west wing. they are meant to symbolize the
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the trajectory then. also the boon we're seeing now may be a similar fad. can you convince me this is a trend rather than a fad that is going to go bust? >> that brought a tear to my eye. warren buffett's nevada energy just announced two deals at less than 4 cents a kilowatt. austin energy less than 4 cents a kilowatt hour. even in oil-rich uae just announced solar power is cheaper that natural gas in dubai. >> you think these cost trends which are driving everything down and driving this insane growth of solar is going to continue into the future? >> not only is it going to continue out to the future but it's already achieved its goal. we're already cheaper than new coal and new gas and we'll only get cheaper.
new coal and new natural gas will get more expensive. >> utilities understand this is a threat. even wind power which can get routed essentially through utility, natural gas coal all these different types of power. rooftop solar is distinct in that it cuts out the utility middle man. they are trying hard to attack and beat back solar. >> the utilities make most of their money on the wires. they like central station solar. they like transporting that power to your house because that's how they make money. when you generate power off your own roof that's where you're cutting them off. that's where costco walmart, whole foods have all decided to go this way. >> we've seen these bills introduced and attempt to attack solar. well, you're using our grid when you install this rooftop and
sell us back energy that's surplus. we'll slap a tax on this to make it costlier for you so it's harder to install more solar. >> ot of roughly 40 efforts they've put forward, we've beat them in 38. we're winning. i feel confident we'll continue to won. it's not because solar power is the best, which it is it's because our activists don't have any political affiliation. it's not environmental alal groups that are protecting us. it's a bunch of republicans who want energy independence on one side and a whole bunch of democrats on the other side who believe in climate change. everyone is finding common cause around supporting solar power. >> one of the interesting facets of rooftop solar is it uses less water than either kind of power. you have huge vats of steam that
wind the turbines. you have fracking here in california in which water is being pumped from the ground and used to unusable water when combined with chemicals. there's this other resource constraint that makes solar valuable. >> 50% of all water draws in the west come for cooling applications for the power sector. and so -- now they return some of that water back into the system but some of that water, that white smoke you see is not smoke. that's water vapor. >> so ultimately are we going to see more of what's in california spread across the country? >> you already are. the largest job creator in north carolina is solar. the largest job creator in georgia is solar. even louisiana has created 1200 solar jobs under bobby jindal's leadership, although he's not
talking about it. we're hiring between 5,000 and 10,000 people a month. 50% of all the new capacity is going to come from solar. and 75% of all new electrical capacity will come from solar next year. >> this is the one story that i cover that makes me feel the most optimistic about the future. that is "all in" for this evening. the "rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> on that optimistic note that's very nice. thank you chris. and thank you at home for joining us. wee are we are also going to start off tonight's news in a really happy place. i not only want you to have a good friday night but a good weekend. this is sewo good its goodness will carry you right through. if you are a dog person and you use the internet machine,