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written as we come on the air today, including a drug lord on the lam. what we are learning about el chapo's great escape, the chain of events that makes you wonder how did they lose this guy. and the son of a boston police captain arraigned a short time ago. he is charged in an isis-inspired terror plot on college calffeterias and the feds say he wanted to stream it all live on the web. and the president is launching a new campaign. it's not for a third term. but it does have to do with a different kind of term. we'll explain that ahead. but we have to start in vienna where history took place while most of us were still sleeping. it's a dream for some and a nightmare for others. >> today, after two years of negotiations, the united states together with our international partners has achieved something that decades of animosity has not. a comprehensive, long-term deal with iran that will prevent it
obtaining a nuclear weapon. because of this deal the international community will be able to verify that the islamic republic of iran will not develop a nuclear weapon. this deal meets every single one of the bottom lines that we established this spring. if iran violates the deal, all these sanctions will snap back into place. we give nothing up by testing whether or not this problem can be solved peacefully. american diplomacy can bring about real change. >> hope and change. a long time coming. but perhaps a long way from becoming reality as we explore in this hour. so the deal is done and the president is already on the offensive. >> congress will now have an opportunity to review the details. and my administration stands ready to provide extensive briefings on how this will move forward. as the american people and
congress review the deal it will be important to consider the alternative. consider what happens in a world without this deal. >> and for more on the next phase, let's head to nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. the president knows what he is up against here. >> reporter: they have been against this all along. but the president does believe that there are folks in the middle who can be convinced, be convinced by the briefings they're going to get, by the phone calls he already started making in the overnight hours to the leadership in both houses of congress. but he also faces that stiff opposition. if you heard even what a iplomatic accomplishment. john boehner said we'll do everything we can to stop it. frankly, opponents in congress have 60 days to build that opposition. a lot of that time they'll be their home districts and will have hearings.
so in the alternative, the white house is going to be out there in force, as well. members of the national security team, you will see a lot of secretary, energy secretary who is a nuclear physicist pushing the white house agenda. and then there's also another band of opponents and that of course, 15 people who are running for president on the republican side who have already been bashing it including donald trump, lindsey graham. a lot of opposition and tough for for them to garner two thirds of votes necessary in the house or senate to override and assure presidential veto. >> thank you. reaction from the hill has been swift. here's a taste of what the president will be hearing over the next 60 days. >> this is the most dangerous, irresponsible step i have ever seen in the history of watching the mideast.
barack obama john kerry have been dangerously naive about the mideast in general. they've taken it to a new level. and any senator who votes for this is voting for a nuclear arms race in the mideast. >> it can't say it's safer for them to continue to spin and enrich uranium. if we stop that reduce and eliminate that by bringing them in the civilized world, we should try. >> the deal ultimately legitimizes iran as a threshold nuclear state. it doesn't end the nukeclear attention to. it's one of the most consequent>> nbc's luke russert is at the capitol for us. luke, any chance that the naysayers are going to win out on this? >> reporter: oh, well they're going to launch a very vague rous campaign against this deal. i was speaking to a top gop leadership aide who told me that they feel that the intricacies
of this deal and the framewor that they don't have to make it a partisan issue. they essentially tell their me believes over the august recess to say it gives iran a nuclear weapon. that's far from the case if you imagine and the facts and democrats will have to make the case as well as the administration will have to make that case. look republicans are almost lockstep against policy, they will be against it. what president obama has to do is go after like bob menendez you showed there in the opening, chuck schumer of new york has a very strong relationship with israel. he needs to make sure they can't get 67 democratic senators opposed to this because more likely than not you will have around the two thirds in the house or close. he's got to make sure that the democratic senators stay on the team. and in order to do that from what i have heard from hill sources is he has two valuable weapons. joe biden, very well respected by the democratic senate caucus and john kerry, also very well
respected by the former colleagues. those two gentlemen will be instrumental in this. there will be a thorough review hearings and this is something that both parties are going to have to really work for over the august recess because come september it's quite a wild month with the government running out of money, the pope coming to viz it and this iran deal front and center. going to be a fun time guys. >> something to look forward to. deal, let's bring in former cia persian gulf analyst kenneth pollack and author of "unthinkable." ken, it is great to have you with us. >> thanks krystal. always great to be here. >> start with the book title. how unthinkable or unlikely was today's deal in your mind? >> well i think that this was a bit of a longshot. although, of course the odds increased very fantsignificantly over time with the president row
rowhani rowhani's election in iran and the interim deal and framework and seemed that the iranians coming around the u.s. was coming around and i think by the time of this week it was all just a matter of when. >> ken, the president saying that this is not about trust. this is going to be about verification. the president and the next administration are going to have to rely on other nations and europe, perhaps russia and china, to deal with that verification to get the authorization to have that verification. can we trust iran to honor their commitments and can we trust the other nations who are part of the oversight part of this to help us keep their feet to the fire? >> yeah. this is a huge question toure. let me start by saying that you know, this is a big document. it's 159 pages. i have read through it. i have to be honest with you. there's passages i want to go back to the white house, to other folks, get a little bit of clarification. that said as best i can tell it does look like the white house got some very important
concessions from the iranians on the issue you're talking about. on sanctions, it does look like the agreement says at the end of the day, if the u.s. just isn't happy with what the iranians say they're doing and looks like they're cheating we will have the ability to snap back the u.n. sanctions and also looks like the inspectors at end of the day if they can't work something out with iran will be anal to say to the iranians hey, we want to see what's going on and they're supposed to comply. if that is the case if i'm right in my reading, those are two very big concessions from the iranians, from the russ less necessary to rely on them. >> yeah. you are speaking about who carried the burden of proof here when the entire question is what is provable and knowable regarding what they're trying to do, whether you trust them or not. that's something that andrea mitchell was discussing with secretary of state kerry. let's play a bit of that. >> iran or the proxies involved in four hot wars right now.
how do you justify down the road, five years, eight years or sooner taking off the arms embargo andbujju )já weapons and ballistic missiles? >> well look. the united nations passed a resolution that said if iran comes to the negotiating table, the sanctions will be lifted. that was the deal. we're not even doing that. we're keeping the sanctions in place despite the fact that three of the negotiating countries thought they should end automatically. we won that battle. we are keeping them in place for another five years. and, and we always have the ability to go back to the u.n. to do any number of things ourselves if they don't change or things don't get better. >> how do you know -- >> the united states doesn't lose anything, andrea by giving them the opportunity to prove this is a peaceful program. >> on that proof, the idea it's up to the iranians to provend let it the case from john ñikerry.
does that read as credible to you as backed by the document as you say that you have been studying? >> again, we don't know ari. let's putt it this way. as i read through it i think that it is the case that for the first ten or 15 years of the agreement the agreement does put some very significant constraints on what the iranians can do and significant disincentives for them to cheat. all right? it is not perfect. it is absolutely not the airtight document we would have liked and it is the case of the constraints significant. i think the biggest issue is actually the issue that robert menendez made in the earlier piece you ran where he pointed out that the agreement ends effectively after ten or 15 years, or at least the con stants and disincent ifrs for iran start to evaporate after ten to 15 years and i think in many ways that's the biggest problem with the deal. it's a ten to 15-year deal.
and the president in his remarks basically said look i'm convinced that this agreement is going to make it easier to deal with the iranian nuclear issue in ten to 15 years. that's a plausible assumption. and there's some evidence to back it up. the problem is it's equally plausible to say that in ten or 15 years iran will be even more difficult, even more desirous of a nuclear weapon and the agreement does nothing to stop them then and that's a plausible argument and evidence to back it up, too. >> questions that president obama's going to have to answer as this is now moving to congress to have to move forward on this. as you know there's real concern about this deal really across the board. republicans, but also democrats. you mentioned bob menendez and 2016 around the corner. candidates speaking out today about their feelings on this deal. lindsey graham is unone of them as senator and running for president. i sat down with him earlier and
obviously he was quite upset about the deal but hillary clinton gave herksdépt)n remarks about the deal and got his reaction there. let's take a listen to that. >> hillary clinton has come out today saying she applauds the deal with president obama on this. >> good. >> what is your response to sha that? >> she's clearly knows nothing about the mideast. because if anybody who spent any time in the mideast and listened to the israelis they would tell you please do not give the iranians a nuclear program that one day can be used to make a weapon. the mere passage of time they can expand their program. there's no requirement they stop their dangerous behavior. there's no requirement they recognize israel. the arabs are in a box. to hillary clinton, if you think this is a good deal then you would be -- you shouldn't be president of the united states because what you've done is you've created a situation for israel that can be a death sentence. you have created a situation
where terrorist groups can get nuclear capability used against us and ensured a nuclear arms race. >> pretty strong words there of hillary clinton that she should be disqualified as president for approving the deal. what is your reaction to the comments there and what to expect given folks like graham who are really upset about when? they're not going to let it go down without a big fight here. >> yeah. obviously, abby this is a political football watching all throughout the presidential campaign frankly, whether we like it or not. but i think your question of congress is obviously the next big issue out there. and i think that the issue that democrats in congress i think we know where the republicans are, i think the issue that democrats in congress are going to have to consider the which is to say, look this is the diplomatic option. there is no other deal on the table. i think ultimately they're right about that. we're not going to negotiate another deal with iran. as much as we would have liked to have gotten a different deal
this is what the diplomatic deal looks like and all the other options look worse than this. democrats, do you want to push us into one of these other worse options? i think that's the strongest argument the administration is going to be able to make. >> we have talked about how politicians feel about this deal. but it's interesting to look at the polling on this and the american people feel and there confusion here. there's a poll out from monmouth asking iran nuclear negotiations a good or bad idea? 49% say a good idea and then do you trust iran to abide by the terms of the deal? a majority say, they do not trust that. so, you look at that and say, okay, there are folks that support this deal. but at the same time they don't trust that iran follows through on the deal. we are between a rock and a hard place. >> yeah. to coin a phrase. my guess is abby i don't remember it from the time but if you had gone back to ask the american public do you trust the russians to you know, be
able to verify or comply with the salt agreements? my guess is that there's a similar thing. suspicious, skeptical and probably the right idea. that's where i think most people are on iran. they don't want to go to war with iran and see iran with a nuclear weapon. they would like to negotiate away the program and very uncomfortable. iran has a bad track record and why we have agreement that runs to 159 pages. >> ken, the iranian foreign minister sent out a tweet earlier that i thought was very interesting. he said iran deal is not a ceiling but a solid foundation. we must now begin to build on it. which made me just question what exactly does he see us building with iran and, also does this deal mean that we have essentially tacetly accepted this theecratic regime.
>> great question. this is only a starting point. if this deal is going to work both sides are going to have to really live up to their commitments. and demonstrate that they're living up to commitments exactly the point that abby was raising. as far as zarif, iranians this is another great unknown. i got the know foreign minister zarif when he was iran's ambassador to the united nations. i have no doubt that he would love to have a better relationship with the united states as well as the rest of the world. i think that's the case for president rowhani. what we don't know and seems unlike, the supreme leader and hardliners are just as interested. another interesting thing is watching over the course of the next six to 12 months to see the internal politics in iran. how does the deal play out? does it cause the supreme leader to side more with the hardliner
hardliners? gave zarif and row rany the nuclear deal and give others the other deals? they're in charge. we don't know yet. but we're going to want to watch that space as we think about whether this iran nuclear deal is really transformative or just another transaction that may be useful to us but thatu.s.-iranian relations. >> all right. kenneth pollack, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me as always. it is a busy day for the president. first, of course that iran deal and the top of the next hour he is looking to broker a new deal launching a major push for bipartisan prison reform in a speech to the naacp. he is actually on route to philadelphia as we speak. we have assembled an all-star panel to talk about what could be a defining accomplishment of his presidency. plus w details this afternoon about an isis-inspired plot to attack college cafeterias right here on and, the manhunt for el
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like drug crime. nbc's ron allen has beat him there and waiting for the president's arrival with a packs ballroom. ron, what more will we hear in this speech? >> reporter: well i think we're going to hear a lot about what the president thinks is fairness or what should be fairness in the criminal justice system. we just heard from an official at the department of justice, for example, talking about something she describes as the school to prison pipeline affecting minority school children, they're expelled from schools and elementary context and continues and creates problems for them later in life. we have heard the president and others talking about how juvenile records follow young people the rest of their lives and making it difficult to get jobs and so forth and not just about the criminal justice system affects individuals. there's concern about how it affects communities, how there is a disproportionate number of young men of color, for example, involved in criminal justice system jail and probation and parole or what have you.
the president commuted the sentences of 46 nonviolent offenders who were in federal prisons for primarily drug offenses. he'll highlight how those inmates of sentences of 25 years or more or life sentences, sees that as unfair and costly to the system costly to the communities and how it needs to be changed. tomorrow he leaves here and goes to washington and then out to oklahoma city where he will visit a federal prison in el reno. first president to do that. again, continuing this push to focus on prisons and heard the president talk about policing in america following the unrest and events in ferguson and baltimore. now the criminal justice system more broadly, sentencing guidelines, how people are incarcerated, how long they're incarcerated and whether as he said yesterday, whether the punishment fits the crime. toure? >> all right. ron allen, thank you very much. during this speech the president -- comes in a week the president focused on criminal
justice reform. he commuted the sentences of 46 mostly nonviolent offenders and becoming the first sitting president to siz it a federal prison. we have an all-star panel, to talk about the president's push and fits into what's been a legacy bolstering summer for him. first, nbc news political reporter perry bacon. also nbc news's presidential historian michael beshlos and michael miller and f. michael higgen higgenbottom. professor, we start with you. presidents are always thinking about what language they can use that will be persuasive in speaking about the 46 communations and criminal justice reform the president is using a language of the fairness and second chances of communations saying i believe it's at heart america is a nation of second chances and i believe these folks deserve
their second chances. that sort of language able to get americans on his side on this issue when they have been trained for decades to think demonizing people who are drug criminals? >> well, i think that's an important approach for the president to take. it should be about justice. there's many americans that are concerned about the grave racial disparities in the criminal justice system. so i think it's appropriate to focus on fairness. we need balance. we have had too much focus on demonizing these individuals. too much focus on punishment. and not enough focus on reform and on justice and on giving people a second chance. this is america. and america stands for justice. it's in our constitution. it's in our preamble to the constitution. and so i think the balance is off. the president's focus should be more on giving people a second chance and meeting justice and i
think it will be appropriate for him to focus that. and i think that will resonate with many americans. >> matt, you worked for eric holder. this is a president who's now overseen two attorneys general that have shown a great willingness to come at crime in a slightly different way. prosecutors by their very nature are very never very soft on crime and as you know there's an emphasis of being smart on crime and on changing some of the incentive structures. walk us through what you expect the president to add in today's speech and what he can do through the doj where you used to work without having to rely on congress. >> yeah. i think, you know the obvious thing to talk about the communations through the department of justice up to his desk yesterday an they're important to those people, important to the system and individualized actions and can't truly bring about systemic change. what i think you will see him call for as ron mentioned for congress to enact changes of the
mandatory sentences for long times for nonviolent offenses. and i think the other interesting to see today is whether he announces some internal administrateive changes in the administration that's happening since the first term. sometimes below the radar and when attorney general holder reformed the charging pollicyies and seeing today whether the president has anything else to roll out. >> perry, i want your take on the politics of this. a big chunk of what we're going to hear from the president today and throughout the week is the idea that this system needs to work better and we see more people on both is left and the right that are willing to come together to make progress on this. here's a bit of what he said yesterday that we can probably expect to hear today. let's take this. >> we are at a moment when some good people in both parties, republicans and democrats, and folks all across the country are coming together around ideas to make the system work smarter.
make it work better. >> perry, what is your sense in terms of how republicans specifically will respond to his efforts this week? i was reading this morning, jim sensenbrenner in the house of representatives proposed bipartisan legislation on this and saying what the president is doing is a politically motivated stunt. my sense is you know that might pull him back from wanting to work with him on this. is that an example of how others in the house and senate might respond? >> i don't think so abby. first you have a block of what i would say younger members of the republican party, ted cruz senator mike lee of utah several in the house, too, feel like criminals need to be changed. you have a strong caucus 15 or 30 members of the house and senators to move fast on the issue. the challenge is older senators.
chuck grassley so far has started off last year pretty opposed saying mandatory minimums drive down crime. he's moved a little bit now saying, grassley is a figure in the senate and they're now saying saying something like open to changing some mandatory minimums and for drug crimes and increase them for white collar crimes and look at in his mind to keep tough on crime and balance out the approach to it. you are seeing older republican members who at first very opposed to this push. now becoming more for it. that's where i think you could see a bill passed by the end of the -- by 1016 for that reason. >> and michael, if we can take the bigger picture perspective, it is amazing to see consensus coming together around criminal justice. >> that's for sure. >> reform. >> or any bipartisan consensus
at all. >> i'm thinking bigger picture of this presidency and something you do all the time. >> right. >> with the iran deal details coming together. this consensus when you have health care reform financial reform. you know, i have to think that this president's impact will actually be felt for a long time. where will he rank ultimately among the presidents in terms of his legacy and his impact? >> no way of knowing now because that totally depends on whether these policyies work 30 or 40 years out and president obama is the first to say that. one thing i think you can say in the spring of 2008. he said it running in nevada i think it was he was going to try to be not just a president who was doing transactions but a president who was trying to be transforming and he said in the way that ronald reagan was. bringing about fundamental changes and i think what we have seen on iran whether you agree with it or not, same thing today on criminal justice, is that
effort. and the other thing is that you know, oftentimes presidents are tempted to spend last two years of an eight-year presidency letting things wind down. president obama made the point he's not going to do that so what you are seeing is sort of a sense of what is in his soul. this is an issue that's important to him and also these days presidents tend to live decades beyond the time they're in the white house as president obama presumably will and have an active ex-presidency. this is a hint of what the -- one of the kind of things one of the issues to spend his time on. >> indeed the president spoken of this as the fourth quarter of his presidency and for someone that plays basketball he wants to go extra hard in the fourth quarter. matt miller, one more for you. on thursday the president is visiting a federal prison in oklahoma, the first time that a sitting president is visiting a prison. or at least a federal prison. is this a way to humanize the inmates and get people to think
of them as people? what they do in prison is try to make people forget that you exist and giving the humanity back hopefully allows the president to get people to think maybe they should have more rights. >> this is a moment of i think tremendous symbolic importance and arguments for criminal justice reforms, economic some of them about the impacts on families. but there's a moral argument too. you have seen the president be more willing to make the moral arguments like in charleston several weeks ago and what you should expect to hear from him on thursday making the argument that we have been throwing people in jail for no good reason, that's an injustice andcorrect. >> amazing that he can say now. we'll be watching for the president's speech at the top of the hour 4:00. you can see it here live on msnbc and streaming on shift straight ahead, the second great
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not a trace of him since this past weekend. as you said ari, the government has announced that two top federal prison officials have been fired. as of right now, about 22 of the people that work in that maximum security prison are skill detained for questioning. no charges have been filed. but it's pretty clear, ari, that this guy got out thanks in no small part to the help of some prison officials. and who knows how far up in the state, local or maybe even federal legal system that he got help from? you're seeing pictures. we shot these yesterday. in mexico. this is a safe house. it's a house built a year ago. just for the purpose of creating this tunnel. it is about a mile away from this maximum security prison and this tunnel was korveed through q jti for about a year and it
came up right in this prisoner's shower. >> jose, walk us through the broader impact and the mood in mexico. this is a country that suffered through a fight with narco vú95-d1b traffickers. a trusfrustration of traffickers. what's the mood and reaction? >> front-page news throughout the country. it's a scandal. i have to tell you. just last year the president was asked by television interviewer if the chapo guzman saga would continue if he escaped. the president of mexico said that that was not possible. that that would be a national embarrassment. guess what. it's a national embarrassment. more than that. it's an embarrassment focused on the officials here. the corruption. the impunity that exists in this
country permits someone like el chapo g zman supposed to be on 23-a day lockdown and 1 hour of supervised monitoring so he can get some sun, that that guy was able to escape through a tunnel in his personal shower while being 24 hours a damon or theed tel tells you that he got help from officials and people feel just like how can this be? well, they know how it can be. because of corruption impunity and because here those drug cartels control hundreds of millions of dollars of cash and they're very willing to use it. >> yeah. tough and discouraging scene there. thank you for your reporting. see you on the run down tomorrow morning. straight ahead the feds say they have foiled another isis-inspired attack. this one hitting especially close to home for people in boston.
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right now, up in boston the son of a city police captain turned over by his own father is being arraigned on terror charges. the feds say they have evidence that he was plotting to carry out an isis-inspired ahdqkj on collegeí/$&],0 e & cafeterias and they allege he wanted to stream it all live on the internet. investigators have been on his trail since last fall. which is a slight bit of comfort to us writing the latest chapter in the home grown terror. isis first established itself. front line brings us stories of those taking measures to free innocent people of terror's grip. >> they move under the veil in fear.>c- >> they were also raping a 9-year-old. >> of course.
>> with undercover footage, front line shows the islamic state'si women. >> follows an underground network helping them escape. >> edward watts with us a producer and director on this story. ed kudos to you for putting your life at risk to get this undercover footage and for bringing the stories to light. you spoke with some of the first women to escape isis. many of them had little kids with them. this was a moment in the documentary that was incredibly heart breaking to watch but also so important to watch. let's take a look at this. >> she was among the earliest women to escape from isis. she is 21. and was abducted with her two children last summer.
>> ed, this was so hard to see just what the little kids have witnessed in just their short years of life. give us a sense of these women's stories and told you upon escape about what life was like being in prison under isis. >> well really i made 20 documents arearyies now and i never encountered stories like it. the crimes are some of the worst in the world, i would say. not only because these women isis views this ethnic group asçk pagans, which is sub humáin the eyes of isis and so they enslave them all. they treated the women as sex slaves and a lot of them are very, very young, teenagers, children, 9, 10 years old. considered permissible to be married by isis.
so the experiences they have been through are horrendous. >> there is a hero for these women in your story, a lur and now operates a sort7vmke1zi don't understand ground railroad to help some of these women and children escape. how does he manage to pull off these rescues? >> it's an incredible story, really, because he put it altogether of his own 0 cord without any help of government any formal training. and it's a process of making contact with the girls. they have -- they sometimes steal phones from captors or kept them. he makes contact with them. he builds up maps of the territory where isis are, where their checkpoints are and then had an extraordinary network of contacts inside isis territory to risk their lives to go where the girls are held and take them, bring them to the front line and across to safety. >> ed, it's an extraordinary documentary. there's so much in here that's
so powerful and must see. one of the charact earls -- >> thank you. >> -- i loved was abu mohammed. a media infiltrateor. goes into isis territory. getting footage. such incredibly important work and very doing rus. >> it is. i mean these guys again, such an extraordinary network because they're very young people. they're students mainly. and late teens, early 20s. they're all from a town which isis declared a self-proclaimed capital and when isis took over the young people took it upon themselves to show the world what was happening inside isis and western journalists, foreigners we can't go near there. it's too dangerous. they have taken the risks on and thanks to them, this's the only way we get a true picture of what's happening, life under isis literally whad> look like with isis fighters patrolling them. >> again, everyone should tune in. tough to watch but it's
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