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something. and i said no i'm not going to support you for president. we're doing a reality show. this is a joke. this is nothing to do -- well you've gotten to know me. no. i mean i do -- i think everyone tonight on "all in." >> because america negotiated from strength and principle, we have stopped the spread of nuclear weapons in this region. >> the president announces a landmark nuclear deal with iran, and republicans go ballistic. >> this is a terrible deal.
>> terrible, dangerous mistake. >> you know the iranians are going to cheat. >> tonight, how the obama doctrine is changing the course of history, and how the president's opposition plans to dismantle a deal. the author called "required reading." ta-nehisi on his new book. a look at the terrifying villain of a california drought. >> if people are making more money at almonds, they'll plant more almonds and take something else out. good evening from california. i'm chris hayes. i'm here in the vineyards of malibu family wines in the santa monica mountains. they grow enough grapes for year. you can't grow grapes without water. they are facing new difficulties and intense pressure. much more on what the water shortage is doing here and across the state coming up.
we begin tonight with one of the most historic days in the obama presidency and a potentially transformative moment for american foreign policy. today's announcement of a deal between iran and six nations led by the u.s. to limit iran's nuclear ability in exchange for the lifting of brutal it represents an approach to foreign policy that dates back to barack obama's first presidential run. when the then-candidate said he would be willing to meet with iran's leaders and those of other hostile nations without preconditions. >> barack obama is off base in his proclamation that he would meet with some of these leaders around our world who would seek to destroy america. >> what senator obama doesn't seem to understand, without precondition, you sit down across the table from someone who is called israel a stinking corpse and wants to destroy that country and wipe it off the map, you legitimize those comments.
this is dangerous. it isn't just naive. it's dangerous. >> i don't think you promise without preconditions for the president to meet with the leaders of antagonistic states and get nothing in return. >> even then president george w. bush got into the act in a speak, where he drew a line between obama's position and calls before world war ii to sit down with hitler. >> we have an obligation to call this what it is. the false comfort of appeasement, which has been discredited by history. >> today, seven years later, george w. bush's brother, jeb, echoed those words, releasing a statement saying the iran deal is not diplomacy but appeasement. for a president who told hostile nations he would, quote, extend a hand if you're willing to unclench your fist, today's announcement of a deal after 20 months of negotiations
demonstrates the value of a commitment to the transformative power of american diplomacy. >> history shows america must lead not just with might but with our principles. it shows we are stronger not when we are alone, but when we bring the world together. >> under the deal, there will be strict international monitoring of iran's nuclear capabilities, and iran must reduce its stockpile by 98% and centrifuges by 2/3, extending the time it would take iran to make a bomb from two to three months to a year or more. celebrations broke out inside iran, as citizens cheered the end of sanctions that have crippled the economy and stifled economic opportunity. president will hold a press conference tomorrow, and congress will have 60 days to review the agreement. he vowed to veto any agreement that is a supplementation to the
agreement. joining me now, chris murphy of connecticut. this has been anticipated for a long time, senator. a little unclear whether it was going to fall apart in the last few weeks. your reaction to the announcement in terms of what this means for the presidency, for the democratic party, for the country at this crucial moment. >> people thought obama's legacy was cemented a week ago when the supreme court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage and put us on a path of full implementation for the affordable care act. this is legacy plus. if this is ratified by the congress, which i think it will be, it's not just putting us on a path for a more stable middle east, resolution of the iran nuclear question without going
to war, it's also a victory for diplomacy as a legitimate tool in the president's arsenal of tools to protect the country. that's going to be the fight we're going to have. not just about this agreement and the details of it. it's really about a belief on behalf of the president and many democrats that diplomacy can make us safer, and the belief of republicans in the senate and neoconservatives running these presidential campaigns that are first, and sometimes only option, should be military force to protect us around the world. this is going to be a historic debate. i'm looking forward to it. >> i mean, this will be the most contentious, intense and, in some ways, concrete foreign policy debate we have seen in a very, very long time in this run up. there are talks about democratic defecting from the president. what is that debate going to
look like? >> if you watch the history of this debate over the last year or so, when the president engages wholesomely, he's able to hold democrats. i think the same will happen here. in part, as you play this debate out, the other side is simply not going to have a realistic alternative. it's easy to pick apart this deal and say that if it was solely up to me, it would play out differently. this was a negotiation from the beginning. the whole reason we agreed to these sanctions was to bring them to the table, the iranians, to have a conversation about their nuclear program. i don't think republicans or even democratic opposition are ultimately going to have a better answer as to how to get a 10 to 20-year time window whereby iran can't get a nuclear weapon. this is our best shot at guaranteeing that outcome. if you're going to be against this deal, you have to show what you would do in the alternative.
that's going to be a space that people aren't going to be able to occupy, i don't believe. >> you just said the word can't, which is one of the things that will be contested. there's going to be a whole spectrum of criticisms of this deal. but at base, one of them is how rock solid is the inspection regime? can the iranians cheat on this? what is your sense, or are you confident in the, they can't, in this agreement? >> this is a 100-plus page agreement. i'll be honest, i haven't read every word of it yet. that's really going to be the most important thing to me and to others. the first thing we have to admit is that you can never have 100% guarantee the iranians aren't going to cheat. all you can do is put into place an unprecedented, robust series of intrusive inspections that give you the best chance at finding out if they do. we have never subjected any country, who has made a commitment not to develop a nuclear program to this level,
to have inspections. we will see the production of the uranium to the research labs. we're going to be turning this over with a fine-tooth comb to make sure the inspections are what president obama says they are. if you were going to find out if they were cheating, it's likely this inspection regime that will get you. admittedly, never going to be 100%. >> i've also seen one of the things that's developed, i think, over the last month or so, is criticism go from the specifics of the deal to the project to begin with, right? >> right. >> some folks say the specifics of the problem, and some say, you have legitimized the iranian regime that is anti-semitic, a state-sponsor of terror. how big of an argument that will be in the next month or two? >> i think you saw that in netanyahu's speech. he said there's no circumstance in which you can legitimately deal with the country. we have to look at the deals with russians. we didn't legitimize russia or put a stamp of approval on their other activities by taking part of the nuclear weapons question off the table. we don't legitimize iran's other actions as this agreement is
signed into law. what we're doing here is taking the nuclear weapons question off the table so we have a better shot of calling iran to the table on their support for terrorism, their abuse of human rights. if they were to be sponsoring terrorism under a nuclear umbrella, it would be worse dealing with that question with it off to the side. it's a rewrite of iran nuclear sanctions negotiations, to believe these sanctions have been in place to try to automatically, overnight, turn iran from a good actor -- from a bad actor into a good actor. we're going to have a lot of work ahead to address all these other issues we have with iran. >> senator chris murphy, thank
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could you hear the opposition this morning to the iran nuclear deal? it came quickly and without reservation. >> with the passage of time, this industrial strength program that we've locked in place will become a nuclear weapons program, so the arabs are going to get their own bomb. this is the most dangerous, irresponsible step i've ever seen in the history of watching the mideast. >> this proposed deal is a terrible, dangerous mistake
that's going to pave the path for iran to get a nuclear weapon, and giving them tens of billions of dollars of relief. the congress will refuse this deal. >> its aggression in the region and efforts to destroy israel, which are ongoing. >> it was terrible. we have to be able to inspect immediately. immediately. we don't have the right to inspect immediately. any time, anywhere, we should be able to. we have to be able to go in and inspect. if you don't have that, you have nothing. you know the iranians are going to cheat. >> if you look at a lot of the criticism carefully, it seems to be a bit of a bait and switch. i'll explain next. ♪ if you can't stand the heat,
the opposition to the iran nuclear deal has been gearing up for this moment for six years. the deal really represents everything opponents fear. everything they hate. everything they want to defeat. politically, it will become to foreign policy what obamacare has been to domestic policy. there will likely be total unanimity, but just as a republican nominee will rail against obamacare and pledge to repeal it and find it almost impossible to do so, so will be with this agreement. unless you think the opposition will be sober and serious. this graphic tweeted by the president of the block. counselor lawrence wilkinson at the college of william and mary. i can't help but be reminded when i listen to the invocations of world war ii to the cries of appeasement, to you will let them get the weapon in their hands.
i can't help but remember the run up to the iraq war. it's the same people saying the same things. >> that was my feeling when i heard senator cotton, for example, say a war with iran would last a few days. it reminded me of those in 2002 and 2003 saying that the war would be easy. the people take out the old template, dust it off and apply it to the new situation. that goes with the munich analogy, too. this is really about politics. my party has made its decision. donald trump may be the leading edge of that decision, and they may be annoyed with him but he reflects that decision, too. lindsey graham reflects that decision. the decision is to do everything they possibly can to damage this president, even at the expense of the country.
>> let me play devil's advocate for a moment. partly because the details here are technical. i mean, i remember after i got off air talking to the energy secretary, who was part of the negotiating team, and he was trying to -- >> huge part of the team. >> yeah. and they are really complicated, right? this is a complicated deal. it's complicated technically. what ends up happening is this essentially becomes a proxy. do you trust president obama or not? what do you think of people who say, they got rolled. i don't trust that these negotiators got the best deal they could get? >> i've talked to enough experts
and have been involved almost two years. i talked to nuclear experts, people who agreed on the framework for north korea, which i was involved with with president bush. i talked with others who know much more about it than i. i got the agreement this morning, all 100 pages, 20 plus 80. 80 of addendum and so forth. i got the side agreement, or at least a summary of it, to look at the pmd, the prior possible military dimensions of iran's nuclear problem. something i thought we'd never get. and render an assessment by december. this agreement is probably the most historic and intrusive inspection agreement under any treaty in the history of nuclear weapons. maybe even in the history of international agreements.
it couldn't be any tighter. however, any agreement, 1,000-page agreement is imperfect. it can be violated. iran could go off in secret. however, i don't see any way they're going to go off in secret and do anything that we aren't going to defect some way. that's based on the logistics that are necessary to really develop a nuclear weapon. we would detect that. i think iran sees this. i think iran will probably comply with the agreement, as long as we comply with our sections, simply because it is a way for them to come back into the international community as a responsible partner in that community. it may take a decade. it may take 15 years. i think as long as everyone is agreeing things are going the way they should be, iran would find more good fortune by comporting instead of violating the agreement. one other issue. we aren't going to solve any of
the problems in that region. afghanistan, iraq, the horrendous civil war in syria. israel's long-term security without iran, the most stable nation in southwest asia, on some way being in our camp. helping us. as they're helping us now with isis. it's a complex situation. on the one end, they support hezbollah. on the other end, they're fighting the most potent terrorist threat in the region alongside us, isis. this complexity has been dealt with in this diplomacy. it needs to continue to be dealt with, and it does not need the find of apocalyptic statements coming out of lindsey graham and others who should know better. for political purposes, they're making the statements they're making. they covet the white house. they want the white house in 2016, and they see that dream falling apart already. they see president obama's popularity with the american
people possibly being increased by this deal. they don't want that to happen because they want the white house so bad in 2016. i'm sad to say that about my own party, but this is mostly not about substance, it's about politics. >> always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me, chris. still ahead, i'll talk with ta-nehisi coates. it took serena williams years to master the two handed backhand. but only one shot to master the chase mobile app. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank.
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clearly, it's ta-nehisi coates. his new book, "between the world and me." it's a letter addressed to coates' son, in which coates writes, quote, white america is a syndicate arrayed to protect its exclusive power to dom -- dominate and control our bodies. however it appears -- he is on the cover of new york magazine. people are calling it an instant classic. it's a book destined to remain on shelves long after its author or any of us have left this earth. as america moves into the final years of the obama presidency, coates is one of the most celebrated writers and thinkers. he's also a friend of mine. i toured through his book in one sitting. it blew we away with its moral urgency and distinct pros, but made me profoundly jealous because it is a masterpiece. joining me now, ta-nehisi coates and international correspondent at the atlantic. ta-nehisi, there is this word that keeps cropping up in the
book, in the plural, it was in the quote about bodies. you talk to your son about your body. your body can be snatched. your body, the black body is something that white supremacy has taken overtime. why is that word central to your understanding of how racism operates in america? >> racism is a physical experience. that can't be lost. i think there's a tradition. probably a necessary tradition. in african-american thinking, african-american theology. certainly of speaking of the body as a thing that's taken, and somehow, the soul triumphing, or the mind triumphing. my experience in this country as an african-american, my reading
in history, in the way i was certainly brought up, my beliefs about the world run contrary to that. the soul is part of the body. the mind is part of the body. from my perspective. when folks do physical violence to black people, to black bodies in this country, the soul is damaged, too. the mind is damaged, too. the soul cannot escape. the mind cannot escape. you think of the violence done to, say, rodney king when he's beat down by all of the police officers. no matter what the settlement was, i suspect he never recovered from that. i suspect the people that came out of the experience of enslavement in 1865 never recovered from that. no matter how much they sought to improve their minds and
souls. i don't think that should ever be lost. i don't think that can be redeemed. that can't be made better by any spiritual, any gospel or any sort of talk of uplift. >> the president, in many ways, has, central to his power as a politician, has been telling a specific type of story about racism in america. particularly the kind of possibility that we can transcend our history. that sort of dark gravitational pull is there. we have the power to transcend it. much of this book is about how powerful the force is. how much it keeps yanking us back into the past. do you think it is, in some final sense, transcendable? is there some vision of progress, where we do, in some ways, move further from it? >> i don't know.
i highly doubt it can ever be transcended. right now, i have a great deal of interest in the history of europe. the history of france shows that, in a country like that and other countries in europe, they have been dealing with the dark force of anti-semitism going on a millennia. it is definitely conceived. we will be grappling with this for a long time. the dna, what made this country possible. i think what's possible is to act within the knowledge of it, to be aware of it. if one realizes that one is an alcoholic. one must struggle with that for the rest of their life, one can act accordingly to that and can put themselves in a situation where they can be in recovery of that. they can live their life despite that being a factor. transcend, i don't know that's possible. >> there's a moment in the book that's incredibly powerful. it's about a young man who was shot and killed by police in
montgomery county in maryland. >> it's a little confusing because his name is prince. >> that's right. he was a classmate of yours. you talk about the grief and rage it stirred in you. you talk about when 9/11 happened. your feeling about police was in such an intense place, that you had a hard time feeling that emotional empathy for what was going on with the police rushing into the building. >> i mean, it was the police, too, but because, i have to be quite honest about how i felt. it was the victims of 9/11 period. and the basic idea was 9/11 was a national crime, a crime against the nation. it was a specific kind of grieving that came out of that. my belief then and my belief now is the life of prince jones, the body, was as valuable as anybody who died in the world trade center. yes, i had a tremendous, tremendous amount of anger, tremendous amount of rage at
watching the national grieving that came out of that. turning on the football games the following week or two weeks after, and seeing this great marshall display, and fighter jets. and knowing my friend, prince jones, had been followed through three jurisdictions and had been essentially executed within yards of his fiance's home, leaving his mother to deal with that vacuum, leaving his fiance to deal with the vacuum, and his young baby girl who never got to know her father. and the police officer who executed the action was in no way punished for that by the jurisdiction. in fact, was sent back to the street. that will tick you off a little bit. >> the president gave a speech to the naacp and talked about criminal justice reform and tweeted out stats. do you think we're at a moment where things are breaking up in terms of criminal justice? >> well, i can't comment on the
president's speech. regrettably, i haven't had a chance to review it yet. haven't said that, i know there is a great deal of optimism, and that's good. i think people are taking a hard look at the criminal justice system. i don't know they're taking quite a hard enough look. what i understand is, you know, that our prisons, the population of our prison has expanded roughly five fold since 1970. i think there's a serious discussion that needs to be had in this country about how we can cut that back to 1970 levels. i don't know that that is necessarily possible. on top of that, even when we were at the 1970 levels, the prison system was unequal. you had a population, about a 5:1 ratio of black prisoners to white prisoners in the jail. the place we're trying to get back to was unfair. >> do what you can to read this book.
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last year when president obama came out west to talk about the drought, he came to california central valley and to joel's farm, where he grows everything from cantaloupe to the controversial almond. a crop that requires a gallon of water for every single nut. right now in the face of an unprecedented water shortage, farmers have to make choices about what they grow. 40% of his fields were unplanted. that has big implications for not only him but the workers he employs. to better under the situation, i
traveled to the central valley, a unique desert landscape where much of the nation's fruits and vegetables are grown. one of the most productive patches of agriculture in the world. that productivity requires a lot of water. the kind of agriculture here in the central valley is different than almost anywhere else, right? not wheat, not corn, not big commodities. you're growing specialty products. >> that's exactly right. california agriculture is a collection of specialty crops. we go 50% of the fruits, nuts and vegetables in the country. >> cantaloupes here? >> we grow 75% of the cantaloupes in the country. during the summer, we probably grow 90% of the cantaloupes in the country. >> these crops, the stuff like almonds, which you've got, cantaloupes, they -- this is the climate they need. they don't want rain, right? >> right. they're like the people in
california. we like the sun all summer long. we like it warm. the crops are the same way. these are mediterranean climate crops. they love hot, dry weather. if it rains on these crops, they get sick and die. >> the reason you can grow them is because it doesn't rain. >> because it doesn't rain. >> that's what people have to understand. it's all here, and you're all doing this because the sky looks like this. because the earth is dry like this. >> yes. >> that's the way the whole thing works. >> once we plant, we hope there's no rain after that. we want the rain in the winter. we want it in the mountains, 400 miles away. that's where they capture it and bring it to us. these crops, because they're not going to get any rain, they need water so we irrigate them. >> this stuff is hand picked. >> it's all hand picked. literally all our fresh fruits and vegetables are hand picked in california. that's why we have a lot of
labor that we value very highly. it all has to be done by hand. these people are actually very skilled at this work. >> to be clear, you used to do this? >> i used to do this. >> you grew up doing this. >> yes. my father was doing this in the '30s and '40s. i grew up doing this. >> literally picking the cantaloupes. >> he was a melon picker in the '30s and '40s. i did this as a boy in the late '50s and '60s. i grew up on a farm doing this work. this was my education to become a farmer. >> this is the water that makes those cantaloupes possible, right? >> that's correct. this is our water supply. >> where does the water come from? >> this comes from about 400 miles away in the north part of california. >> most of the water that falls in california, mostly precipitation, snow pack in the sierra nevadas, up north, right? >> yes. >> how does it get down here? >> first of all, it's captured up there in reservoirs. it's allowed to flow down the river, down at the delta, which is the estuary.
from there, it's made its way through canals. we have the central valley project run by the federal government. there is a state water project run by the state. >> my understanding is the state project is largely for cities, for consumption, for just folks, office buildings, things like that. and the central valley project is the agricultural architecture? >> exactly. the central valley project was built for agriculture. later on, other cities like silicon valley get some of their water from the central valley project. then the same water project was built for cities like southern california. they also feed a few farms along the way. >> so this field is having a lack of water. >> if we had water, we would have planted this in tomatoes.
had cantaloupes a couple years ago. very good soil. we just don't have water for it. >> there's flood irrigation, and drip irrigation, right? >> yes. >> you used to use flood irrigation and now use drip irrigation? >> yes. >> what's the difference? >> flood irrigation goes on the top of the surface, and you have no control about how much water the land takes. now, it goes under the surface. we have a drip hose here. this drip hose begins at the other end of the field. it comes down the center of the row. we can control every drop. we can meter how much water we want there. >> it used to be you just poured the water on to the field? >> yes, basically. >> seems wasteful. >> it was wasteful. on cantaloupes, where we used to use -- and we were trying to be efficient. we didn't wastewater -- we were using 2.25, 2.3 feet per acre. with the drip, we use 1.5 to
1.7. >> wow. >> we've saved a lot. guess what? we increased our yield by over 30%. >> so you've -- what you've done using drip irrigation is reduced water consumption by 40%, increased yield by 30%? >> yes. >> there's nothing left to squeeze out, right? you're operating at peak efficiency. >> we are. i mean, this field, 53 acres, has drip irrigation in it. i got a $50,000 investment here, and i have no water to put in the drip system. >> there has been an absolute boom in all this. >> yes. >> what does that look like in the central valley? how can you tell the almonds are booming? >> the price continues to get stronger. that's what tells us that the market is strong. >> and does that affect planting decisions? >> it does.
it does. if people are making more money at almonds, they'll plant more almonds and take something else out. >> is that what's happening in. >> yes. i see guys taking out grapes, planting almonds. they're taking out alfalfa and planting almonds. even pistachios. they're taking out other crops. people are crazy about nuts. why? because they like to put them in their food now. when i was a kid, we had a salad, it was just some iceberg and dressing. now, you want nuts in it, you want grapefruits in it, berries in it, right? >> yeah. that's good for you. >> that's good for us because that's what we grow in california. >> right. under irrigation, and they take water. every salad is a central valley salad. >> exactly. up next, my interview with the mayor of los angeles on how his city is adapting to the new normal. you pay your auto insurance premium
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a 25% cutback for each of california's local water supply agencies, which served nine out of ten residents in the state. that's brought changes not just to the central valley and other agricultural areas, but also to cities and towns. today, i visited california's largest city, los angeles, where i talked with mayor eric garcetti. great to be here. >> thank you. >> in your fine city. >> welcome to l.a. sorry about the great weather. >> we have this lovely water feature behind us in eco-park, which is the neighborhood you live in, right? >> yes. >> so the governor announced these mandatory reductions, 25% reduction. >> yup. >> it's a little hard to put together. what is that actually mean? the governor says that, and you run a city that has a water district. how does that happen?
how do you get that to reality? >> we're actually quite experiences with this in l.a. we've added a million residents without having to consume a drop of water more. it's changing. >> is that true? >> it's true. 3 million to 4 million in the last 45 years, and we consume the same amount of water today than we did back then. there's so much water wasted. when people say, are you focused on the drought? i say, yes, but i'm not stressed. i think we have plenty of water here. we waste way too much water in the faucets we use, the appliances we have, the landscaping we put in the back of our homes. the sprinklers that go off in the middle of the day are too many times a week. you have to get smarter about how you use it. >> let's say appliances, for instance. that's a thing that's structural. someone buys a house that has the appliances. >> yup.
>> if the governor says 20% mandated reduction, you can't tell people to switch out their appliances, right? >> no. >> how does that get implemented from year to year, quarter to quart center. >> people know we'll replace their appliances. sometimes we'll pay for them to come in with a better washer and drier. i have at a department of water and power on saturday, and we were giving out aerated you put on the faucets to use 1/3 of the water you use to wash your hands. 50% of our water usage in the residential environment is our backyards. and front yards. 50%. i would say, where there's lawns like this, where there is grass where people use them, great. keep the grass. we want it. i would say 90% of grass never gets walked on. >> you have all this full spectrum ways of pushing that consumption down, right? >> yeah. >> mostly through not wasting. one of the sort of central lines of conflict, and sometimes i think people feel like more is made of it than is there, but you hear it, about the sort of farmer city, right? we are in the central valley over the weekend, and there is a sense there that we use this water for productive use. it is our livelihood. all these sort of big city liberals complain about us, and they don't know what they're talking about. >> there is plenty of water for
farmers and city folk. let's not pretend we all don't have something to do to conserve better. whether it's farmers moving to drip irrigation. >> there's not plenty of water for both. >> there is. take the city of l.a. we wash out 60% of the equivalent of our daily water use to the ocean every day. treated to a drinkable standard. imagine if we recycled some back into the city, which we're now doing. 85% of our water is imported. there's more water in the central valley. if people aren't doing flood irrigation in a state that should have more intelligent irrigation, then you can sustain agriculture sector, too. we could take half as much water and continue the industries and life in the state if we were at our maximum efficiency. >> you feel confident, this zero sum battle for resources, which has been intensified by the drought but was always there, that that's a surmountable problem, even if the drought continues? >> exactly. turning city folk against rural folk is not -- california, we're in it together. we, for instance, just made peace with owens valley. we steal their water, you know? after hundreds of years of fighting with them, we made
pass. not use it to do stupid things like mitigate dust on a dry lake bed. that took decades, over 100 years of negotiation. it'll be better for them and the agriculture needs they have and for us. >> what allowed that, a deal like that, what allows that to happen? innovation, technology, getting smarter where we use water? >> negotiation. plus, better technology. we know a way to mitigate the dust that the in the dry lake bed, but also take the water that was being thrown on there every month, evaporated, and return some of it to the city and some to them for agriculture use. >> there is this "time" magazine cover about the drought. a lot of people in california reacted negativity to. is this the end of the california dream? is this the end of the unsustainable, you know, civilization of the desert. what's your response to that? >> i think there's this deep, dark desire for people, whether it's fires, riots, earthquakes or drought, that california
somehow is on the verge of being destroyed and breaking off. >> is it abomination, like the lord will bring down his wrath? >> we actually are a state that mirrors a lot of what the challenges are in the country. we never let a crisis go to waste. we're creating jobs out of this. seeing landscaping tear up the grass and adding jobs. people are being innovative to recycle water and create energy. i'm excited about the drought. the new normal is something we can sustain, whether it's the central valley farmer or here in the urban core. >> a pleasure. >> my pleasure, too. thanks. >> that was my interview with mayor eric garcetti. we'll have more from california, crisscrossing the state, working all day. stay with us all week. since i'm here, happy anniversary, babe. i love you. best decision i ever made. that is all for this evening. rachel maddow starts now.
>> i register an objection from kate that you're in california on your anniversary. >> a legitimate objection. >> she didn't tell me directly, but i'm putting that in there for her. there you go. well done, man. thank you. thank you to you at home for joining us at this hour. at the end of the vietnam war, on the night that saigon fell, april 29th, 1975, nbc news did a special report that night looking back at the war. this is the night saigon fell. their special report was 7382 days in vietnam. this was this huge, retrospective report about the war, about all that had been lost there. at the end of this nbc news special report, david brinkley ends it with what is basically a