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♪ good morning. welcome to "morning joe." mika we have a lot to dauk about, as always. so much coming at us these days. yesterday, i saw one of the greatest press releases in the history of american politics. donald trump talking about his net worth. and the best part is when it came to his note worth capping
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$10 billion! straight out of austin powers movie when he did that. >> yes. and i'm very rich i believe is what he said as well. but again, another thing that a lot of people outside the echo chamber like. but we'll see. actually, if the numbers add up i think there is a little controversy about that. with us on set today we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin chairman of the republican committee michael stihl and jeremy peters. and former governor -- oh, boy. former governor of vermont, former chairman of the democratic national committee howard dean. why i do feel like -- i don't know. why do i think feel like things are going to go off the rail? >> oh, come on!
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>> how did he pop-up? >> oh, god. okay. i'm going to move the politics up. i'm going to move the politics up. you know howard actually will ache everybody up here this morning because he's going to start screaming. >> okay. >> but first, joe, breaking news overnight. former president george h.w. bush suffered a neck fracture after falling at his home in portland maine. bush's spokesman tweeted out a statement last night that reads, "41 fell at home in maine today and broke a bone in his neck. his condition is stable. he's fine but he'll be in a neck brace." he tells nbc news bush was taken to maine medical center and was kept there overnight and he said it was premature to speculate beyond that. the former president turned 91 in june and uses a wheelchair because he was -- he has a form of parkinson's disease.
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he was hospitalized for a week last december after experiencing difficulty breathing and spent nearly two months in the hospital in january of 2013 for bronchitis related issues. so, of course our best to the family. we hope he is well. joe? >> we certainly do. our thoughts and prayers are with the entire bush family. mike barnicle, you've been up there. it's pretty extraordinary watching this man who has gone gone to the same home for 91 summers except i guess one or two when you were talking to him that he didn't. he couldn't go up. and you found out later it is because he was fighting world war ii. >> right. i asked him. i was amazed sitting there on the rock wall of the back porch overlooking at atlantic of the home in kennebunkport. i said mr. president, how many summers have you spent here? and this was a few years ago, he
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said i'm 88 yirzears of age, i spent every summer of my life here including the summer when i was born except for one summer he said when i was away. and i thought for a second. what he meant was, he was, you know away fighting world war ii. but never wanted to say what i was at war. when he said when i was away. just one summer. he makes everyone better just being around him. >> yeah. beautiful. let's get to politics. we'll monitor that story. and update folks on his condition as it comes in. joe, donald trump has done what many never expected he would do which is reveal what he says is the extent of his wealth. trum dp not release the personal financial disclosure form he filed, his campaign released a statement saying his net worth is $10 billion. up from his $8.7 billion estimate just one month ago.
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while listing some of his recent earnings, the statement did not include values on his real estate holdings branding deals, or debt. his campaign says "this report was not designed for a man of mr. trump's massive wealth. they have boxes once a certain number is reach that simply state $50 billion or more.manage or more, many of those boxes have been checked. >> no. i mean whoever wrote the press release was awesome. just absolutely awesome. because they did put $10 billion in all caps and also mark they noted correctly, i'm sure that, mr. trump is carrying a very low, low, low level of debt and may we add carrying it very low interest rates. >> i should just disclose i'm working on a one man features a character playing mr.
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trump dictating the press releases. the capitalization, the punctuation, all incredible. >> you know he said put that in caps. >> i'm old enough to remember a time when if you had $250 million you were considered a rich presidential conditionedandidate. >> yeah. >> this guy is the richest person to run whether he has $10 billion or $4 billion, he should save the press releases. >> the federal election confirmed receiving the report and has up to 30 days to release it publicly. and this morning there are new signs of a major shift in how republicans view donald trump as a presidential conditioned date. a new poll from abc news and "the washington post" show nearly 60% now have a favorable view of trump. less than two months ago, 65% -- >> wow. let's stop. hold that up. take that in. mark halperin, this is a dramatic shift in the republican
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party. we showed his problems with democrats and republicans and independents. but donald trump was upside down in a massive way with republicans just a month ago. look at those numbers. his unfavorables dropped 25%. the favorables have gone up over 30%. this isn't just donald carving out his 15% which we've all thought he was going to do. this is actually more republicans, a lot more republicans starting to see him in favorable light. >> these numbers are dramatic. they show you three things. number one, we always have to treat polls as snapshots of where we are and don't assume things can't change. two, people should stop underestimating donald's trum top take this race. three, this republican field is vast and unsettled. republican voters want to win the white house back. they have no idea who is best equipped to do that. and some number of them think it may be donald trump. >> wow. >> michael steele?
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i'll let you gas as a forward chairman of the republican national committee. how much let's say, the republican party in washington, d.c., is worried about trump's continued rise? >> oh, this whole episode is redefining angina right now. it is taking it to a whole other level. i don't think there is enoughal al alkaselzer on the block. there is a huge underestimation by the washington folks about what this man is doing right now. instead of going after trump and focusing on his brand or his noise or whatever try to understand why he's moving voters. why he's moving people from 65% disapproval within his own party to now 57% approval. that is a huge swing, joe, as
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you know. >> massive. >> if you don't understand why that's happened you're in for a rude awakening come august 6th when he's on that stage. >> okay. i'm going to try -- it may be way too early in the morning for me to try to do this. jeremy peters i want to know why everyone on this set is smiling. and i mean it. like chuckling and smiling and they think it's funny. and i understand -- i'll say this -- i understand donald trump said things that a lot of people find offensive because he's brash and he's voicterous and bold. and i think if you really read between the lines you can see there might be a fragment, a huge section of our society that agrees with his position on immigration, that it might have been very badly worded. but lindsey graham says crazy things. john mccain says crazy things. ted cruz says things that i've had some responses to some
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republican statements that i've had meltdowns on the set about. i just want to know why everyone is smiling and what's going on here with donald trump that people kind of can't -- >> and by the way, take note, the only people that say crazy things in mika's world in the south of france are republicans. bernie sanders said crazy things. elizabeth warren has said crazy things. nancy pelosi has said crazy things. >> no. no. i just want to level this out. but everybody says something crazy once in a while. >> howard dean has said some crazy things. >> never has. >> so jeremy you get the point. >> why is everyone -- >> right, we're smiling for the same reason that a lot of people are lining up to go see donald trump from las vegas to arizona to new hampshire because he's a spectacle. he is entertainment. he is a cultural he is a reality star.
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people go to his events that wouldn't ordinarily go to a political event and probably won't even vote. what trump tapped into is this sense that is very strong among a lot of people in the conservative base. they feel like something has been snatched away from them. if he feel lake their country has been changed and they want to take it back. >> hold on. right there. jeremy? jeremy, what you just said if, that's what it is that is serious. hold on. that's really serious that he's able to do that. that just sounds like a real candidate. sorry. i'm afraid to say it myself. but i mean that sounds like a real candidate. >> right. part of the issue here is i think -- and this will determine whether or not his message has staying power is how willing republicans are to accept a message that is that negative and backward looking. it's all like obama has ruined the country. it's all -- i said the american
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dream is dead. and i think that republicans, a lot them are looking for a positive message, a positive messenger. i don't know that they're going to buy into this negativity. >> if you see trump as just having a negative message, you're misreading it. people like his american exceptionalism. >> jerry made a passionate pitch for donald trump and wasn't laughing. >> perot said a the love outrageous things and got one fifth of the vote. he took some of perot's message. and schwarzenegger got elected governor of california. people like outsiders that challenge both parties. >> joe help me out here. am i crazy? >> no. i think though this is howard happening so fast. his rise in the polls are going up howard dean so quickly that right now i think a lot of political reporters are scrambling to go from the side
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show aspect of it to the fact that there's a guy in here that's going to have an impact. us are perot was brought up. you know, he said a lot of really crazy things. black panthers trying to scale his role break up his daughter's wedding, et cetera, et cetera et cetera. but whether it's perot or whether it's donald trump or whether it's a guy you got a great deal of respect for, bernie sanders in vermont, there is a thing that runs through this. they talk about the stupid trade deals that leave american workers on the sidelines. they strike a lot of populous tones. what is it about that string of politics that draws people to see bernie sanldersders' rally. >> i think jeremy has his finger on it for the most part. i'd love to hear what michael has to say about this. i think there is a fundamental change going on inside the republican party. i feel like a lot of the conservatives are being left behind. with the electorate that we have and part of the elect rat that
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is growing is the tea party people which appear for better or not to be dominating the republican party are -- can't win a national or presidential election. so the smart people in d.c. and the republican party are trying to move them back to the middle so they can appeal to the first global generation the millennial generation on gay rights on immigration, on multiculturalism. and these folks are flocking to see donald trump don't like any of that stuff. it's a battle for the soul of the republican party. and trump is a real monkey wrench in the effort of the leadership of the republican party to make them acceptable to the younger generations and elect barack obama twice and is going to elect hillary clinton if they can't figure out how to talk about immigration in a different way. the republicans can't figure out how to talk about immigration in a different way. michael, isn't this going on in the republican party? isn't this a battle for the soul of the republican party? >> well, there is. there is that. that's been on going for quite
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some time. it's one of the things i inherited as chairman coming in the door after losing in '06 and '08. the party is trying to figure out who are we and what do we stand for? i smile, mika, because i smile at the reaction that everyone is having to donald trump. and a lot of people you know in the neighborhoods that i travel in, they're like i don't get what people don't get. and i don't understand why they don't understand what he is saying. because he speaks to me. the guy or the gal who sitting on the couch who is taking the kids today care who is going to their construction job are sitting there going he is speaking what i have felt for a long long time. and folks, keep in mind this is not just in the gop. this is not just about republicans thinking this. >> that's true. >> this is a broader argument that he's making and it's appealing to everybody. >> that's it. >> not just republicans. >> i mean it's appealing, that's absolutely true. i wonder how long people have a tolerance for it. we've all sat on the show many many times and questioned how chris christie -- tolerance for
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the tone. i mean mark said it's a message of american exceptionalism. i don't see it so much as that as i see it as trump calls american leaders stupid. hes is our kun stricountry is stupid and america is in the toilet. >> jeremy what's your point? >> my point is we sat at this table trashing chris christie and wondered how long can voters put up with this kind of abrace ofness. i think that there is probably a certain shelf life to this for trump too. >> that's not the same thing. >> listen -- >> i'm sorry. >> -- that's not the case. that's not the case. donald trump brings a smile to people's faces better or worse -- unless you're mexican -- and he said something deeply insulting about your entire nation and then tries to clean it up.
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no for people following trump, half of them are going there with a smile on their face. it is part spectacle. but when he calls washington leaders stupid mika and when he talks about how they're suckers and how they make one bad deal after another and how they betrayed working class americans and how they've betrayed middle class americans and how china's getting best of us iran is getting the best of us mexico is getting the best of us everybody's getting the best of us because the leaders are just dumb. well, that's not a message that does not -- that only appeals to republicans. that appeals to a lot of people and, by the way, he's not michelle bachmann. he's not sarah palin. he's not herrmann cain. this is a guy who may not be worth $10 billion he's he's probably worth $7 billion. everybody sort of laughed and mocked donald trump. i noted this when i first came
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in town you drive up the west side highway, there are 20 skyscrapers with his name on it. he's got the biggest selling book of all time as far as business goes. the guy has some of the top resorts across the world. i go back to what mark halperin says, if a turtle is sitting on top of a fence post it didn't get there by accident. donald almost -- i'm not comparing limb him to reagan, but reagan always fed on people underestimating him. donald trump is going to town on people underestimating him. >> right. >> and we've all woke up two weeks later after people sat around this table acting like there is a terrible smell just because we suggested that donald trump may have a little influence in this process after all. and people are going to keep laughing, daddy ging at him and they
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have laughed all the way to the bank. >> there is a three legged stool in american politics that has always been existent. and it is still there. it's hanganger, frustration and alienation felt by democrats and republicans. donald trump isn't a politician. he's a cultural phenomenon with a political side vent here. he arrives on the scene, no matter where it is he doesn't have the usual aides surrounding him as most candidates do. everything that comes out of his mouth, i mean you can't -- he can't come up with a complete english sentence if you read the text. it is stream of consciousness. but he gets people nodding their heads. wh he says things out there. republican and democrat. some of it is crazy. some of it makes no sense. but some of it -- some of it more than a little tapped into a grain that michael has been talking about and mark is talking about. people are pissed off about
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their government. they're mad! they're angry and he taps night. he's not going to be president. but he's tapping into it. >> well and there's -- i'm waiting to get clarification on another story about him. but that's where we're going to leave it for this block. still ahead this morning, it was a news conference on iran but preb president obama made news with very blunt comments about bill cosby. and we'll approach john thune and chris murphy who says he's inclined to support it. we'll get their reasonings on. this plus republican presidential conditioned date rick perry joins the conversation. and tomorrow on "morning joe," we'll have an interswru john kerry. it will be his first live interview since returning to the u.s. after the announcement of this historic iran nuclear deal. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." r people? ♪ well this summer, stay with choice hotels twice and get a $50 gift card you can use for just about anything.
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is # ♪ welcome back to "morning joe." it is 24 past the hour.
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things haven't fallen off the rails completely although jeremy's certain is uncertain. as for the democrats, hillary clinton is back above watt we are her favorability ratings according to a poll. 52% of all americans have a favorable view of the democratic front runner in the new abc news/"washington post" survey compared to just 45% in may. a new suffolk university pole usa today poll shows nearly 60% of democratic and democratic leaning independent voters would vote for clinton in the 2016 caucuses. and a new poll looks at what would happen if vice president joe biden were to enter the race. biden who has not announced his plans for 2016 is currently behind clinton and senator bernie sanders but 43% of democratic voters say they would be very or somewhat likely to support biden if he chooses to run instead of their top candidate now. 68% of those voters are currently supporting clinton.
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you know i heard, i know people chuckled at me. i heard he might jump in. i don't get the greatest reaction to that in terms of people thinking he will joe. but i think it's possible. >> i wish you would. >> i know me too. >> i really would like to have his voice on the campaign trail. we know that in 2008 that in every single presidential debate in 2008 the next morning we were supposed to figure out who won and who lost the debate. after about the third or fourth presidential debate we just shrugged and said well the rest of the world is looking at hillary and they're looking at barack obama but the two people that won were chris dodd and joe biden. they knew more about foreign politics and domestic policy. you could tell they would know what to do from the first day in the office. but it didn't matter. that year democrats were chasing a superstar. and they got him instead of two
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men who actually were well equipped to be president from the first day. >> so when i say people don't give me a good reaction they don't think he's going to run is my point. i heard otherwise. >> i think that there is an element within the democratic party now and elizabeth warren stayed on the shelf. bernie sanders, they seen all this movement towards bernie sanders. at least there is a part of a wing of a wing moving in that direction. the biden folks are looking seriously. and depending on how the clinton campaign prevails going forward, if, you know the numbers can get close, it may be worth his interest to get in this thing to shake it up a little bit. >> joe? >> yeah. let's go to howard. howard hillary's favorability numbers have been dropping. a lot of bad press coverage will do. that but it looks like she rebounded. it certainly seems the campaign is slow and steady approach to
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this long long process actually may be starting to pay some dividends. >> i think you're right, joe. i think what they started to do interestingly before bernie ever got in the race before i thought he was going to get in the race. i did not think he was going to run. they steadily appropriated the themes with different language but the same themes that elizabeth warren is talking about and bernie is talking about. her very first meeting in iowa was about middle class wages. it was about immigration reform. it was about some of the issues that the more progressive ends of the democratic party like. so she's -- and even though it drove the press crazy, she got her message out. she didn't let the press hijack her message by yelling questions about who knows what the finances or whatever. she just kept steadily on her message. i think that's what you're going to see for the rest of the way. it works for her. she's determines to run this
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campaign the way she thinks she should run it not the way we think she should run it. i think that's a smart thing for her to do. >> all right. this next story is on the front pages of a lot of the local newspapers here. the president's news conference was all about iran until he got a question related to the sexual assault allegations against bill cosby. take a look. >> would you revoke the medal of freedom from bill cosby? >> there's no precedent for revoking a medal. we don't have that mechanism. i'll say this -- if you give a woman -- or a man for that matter -- without his or her knowledge a drug and then have sex with that person without consent, that's rape. >> well there you go. >> there you go.
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that's ut for bill cosby. >> done. >> end of story. >> boom. >> and i mean look that is calling a spade a spade. you got to just say it. putting a president in the tough position and he took it. he took it and he said it. he didn't mince words. >> i mean -- >> it must have been quiet as can be in there. april is going to join us later to talk about this. but that is -- that was a moment. that is reality. >> and that was a moment in the room. and reports were out of the room that when she asked the question there was just dead silence. >> hush. >> everybody froze. and they froze when he gave the answer. sort of like we did. because you're right, he just -- he called it like it was. and i think that puts an exclamation point on bill
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cosby's trial by public relations. he's lost it. he's lost it for good. >> you know a lot of people have gotten caught up in this or in a bad position. people close to him, people who obvious ly obviously he is an icon, national figure a symbol, an example for so many african-americans especially. but, you know i think whoopi goldberg and a lot of people good friends with him really came out in his defense because they know him so well. and sometimes it takes a view from 20,000 feet like that literally from the president of the united states to say, wait a minute, here's what we know. here's what he said. and if you do this this is what it is. sorry. >> yeah. >> sorry. >> and mike barnicle it is just a -- it is a shame. it is certainly a tragedy for all these women. it is also a shame for the rest of america. the man who helped bend american culture on race issues for 30 years.
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and he did. now has soiled his reputation and this is what he's going to be remembered for primarily. >> yeah. this will be the first line of his obituary. there is no doubt about that. but yesterday was an affirmation for all the women who charged bill cosby with doing what they allege he has done to them. this was a real affirmation. when it began, you know one woman after another coming forward, i think a large number of people in this country said oh, you know they're making it up or whatever or just trying to cash in. whatever you can think of. but this yesterday, he stood up for those women. he stood up for the victims. >> that's right. the president also was very careful with his words because what he was eluding to were words that bill cosby said in court about doing that. he's actually never been you know convicted of anything. >> or charged. >> he's never been charged. so there is still that which is why, friends of cosby and people who are close with him why want hold on to that.
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i just think at some point you have to let go. >> but this is damning. >> ""the weekly standard's" bill cyst toll joins us. why he says the nuclear deal with iran is worse than he even imagined was possible. "morning joe" is back in a moment. you focus on making great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you helping with the questions you need answered
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♪ let's bring in right now weekly ly "the weekly standard's" bill kristol. he's been dreaming about this iran deal for a very long time. the guy he picked to win the republican party is at the top of the field in donald trump. we are living in bill kristol wonder land. i he will you what it's been a rough week for you, bill. let's start with -- it's a popouri. you pick. you want to talk about the iran deal and why you love it so much or why donald trump is abraham lincoln of our time? go. >> tough choice. >> where is joe anyway? can't i just talk to mika? >> he has that washington look going. i'm right here. trump or iran. you love that iran deal. but you love donald trump more right? >> i love donald trump. i agree with michael that critics are silly. he's entitled to run. incidentally, we should say the
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word immigration. trump tapped into something. the actual issue he made news on and everyone started boycotting him on is the over top statements on immigration. nonetheless, he was the one who raised the issue and sen there are too many criminals coming into the country and then the horrible murder in san francisco. i think a lot of republicans and a lot of nonrepublicans a lot of independents and democrats are concerned about a semiopen border in the south and lack of control of the borders, et cetera. trump is entitled to raise the issue. those numbers are fantastic in the poll that you showed earlier. i love the pundit my fellow pundits. they're upside down and favorable and unfavorable. he can't possibly get any votes. it is voters couldn't watch him and change their mind. and he is captivating when you watch him. everyone keeps taking he's not going to go forever. obviously, the bubble the burst. i suppose that's true. i don't know. he's a pretty clever guy. if one of the other candidates don't tap into the populous sentiments, he can go for quite
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a while f you're thinking about a bush-clinton race doesn't the idea of donald trump at least being involved perk you up? it perks me up. >> see? >> mika is deeply inspired by another bush-clinton race zbhchlt, oh, god. joe, jump in. >>, so bill, what is the biggest danger of the republican party though? you read all of the op-eds and the opinion pages talking about -- by republicans saying how this is nightmare for the conservative movement. he supports single pair health care. he's a hillary clinton supporter. this is the end of the republican party as we know it. what is your take on that line of thinking? >> ringing. what would the republicans number be vis-a-vis the democrats or vis-a-vis clinton that is the best proxy for where the race is now. where are they now compared to two months ago before trump got in?
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republicans are doing well or slightly better, actually. there is no evidence that any actual american voter out there, much pundits or gop operate irz, consultants and donors, literal literally literally, there is not a single voter that is saying, you know what, because of trump's antics i'm going to vote for hillary clinton or against hillary clinton a year and a half from now. it's a childish concern of the donor class. they should grow up and let him run. >> would you be comfortable with trump carrying your ban near the fall? >> i said trump was near the bottom of the list of people i would vote for. that is generally true. if the primary was tomorrow i would vote for walker rubio, bush, i just think they're better qualified to be president. but having him in the race doesn't doom republicans. in 2012 the reason people liked michelle bachmann hurt the party. people didn't know about her.
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you look you on the stage, people you've never seen before. they're getting 50% of the vote. you think gee is this really what the republican party is about? nobody thinks donald trump is what the republican party is about. he's his own brand. i think it brings more people into the discussion. >> here's what the problem is for the trump brings. i agree numbers aren't changing much and so forth and so on. the big problem is he's cutting off an opportunity. i think the republicans understand that they have to make much more better progress in the hanispanic community. the worse the rhetoric gets the harder it's going to be to get any higher percentage of hispanic vote for republicans than it was in 2012. that's his problem. >> i don't think it will be a problem if he's there forever. i don't think it's going to happen. i think the democratic race -- you're having john kerry tomorrow. i don't want to ruin things by explaining how horrible the deal is on. i can just be quiet. here is one thing you're going
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to ask him. he'll get the nobel peace prize. that will be announced in the first, second week in october. ask him if he's going to resign in november. which he deserves. he goes on before the new hampshire primary. file in new hampshire and run for president. i'm serious if, you're john kerry, why do you not think you should have another shot at it? he ran against an incumbent and came close from his point of view and party's point of view, he's done this heroic work to bring about this historic deal for iran. why doesn't he run for president? >> we'll talk about the iran deal in our next block. bill kristol that, is a very nice way of skirting the issue. but we'll get you on it. coming up it's one word headline in this week's "time" magazine. we'll get a first look at the new issue with the article's author next on "morning joe." new york state is reinventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on personal income taxes. we enacted the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968. we eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start,
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a nuclear weapon is resolved diplomatically through a negotiation oz it's resolved through force. through war. those are the options. >> joining us now, the dean of the johns hopkins school of advanced international studies and in washington senior correspondent for "time" magazine, wrote the cover story for this week's "time" magazine on the historic nuclear deal with iran. it's broader implications, the political challenges it creates and why it may be -- may be a risk worth taking. so i guess we'll start with you and the broad look at to why it may be a risk worth taking. >> well the interesting thing about this deal is that it's not just about nukes. obviously, that's the issue that is the focus of it. but in a way, iran made this
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deal. it sacrificed some of the nuclear capability in order to become a bigger player in the middle east. it gained status effectively as the region's second nuclear power after israel. it's already involved in pretty much every single conflict in the region. and it gains lots of money with which to exert that power. with the lifting of sanctions and also in the end, greater access to the sale and purchase of conventional weapons. so the deal is historic not just for the nuclear proportions but also for the regional implications. >> and what about the arab neighbors and how the iran deal does impact or does not impact their ability to maybe pick up where iran left off? any concern there? >> well, the arabs are obviously not happy about this deal.
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but the worst case scenario for the arab world would actually be if this deal had the full potential of opening iran changing the regime making it pro western. that is the worst case scenario. but i think the deal definitely changes iran's profile in the region. but it's not necessarily in the offensive. iran is barely holding on in syria. it is on the defensive with isis in iraq. and i definitely thinks the deal would allow it to protect the equities. the middle east has collapsed. the arabs and iranians are competing for protecting their interests and equities in the region. and the deal actually creates certain sievecivility. >> joe, jump in. >> bill kristol, you suggested this deal was even worse than what you feared. explain. >> well, i actually agree with vali. this deal helps iranian regime that was struggling. why was it struggling?
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in part because of the sanctions. what does this deal do? it takes off the sanctions. it give iran $140 billion for their funding of terror for their efforts to destabilize the region, to advance their agenda. i think that is a real huge issue. the nuclear thing i think is bad. inspections regime is bad and all that. that something that people will debate. truthfully, it's its difference between a three month rake out, six month rake out. it's hard to know exactly how much if at all it slows down the nuclear program. the one thing that happens as a result of this deal they're going to get access to $140 million they don't have access to six months or nine months from now. that's just a fact. you have to explain why that is fine. why they removed explicitly from the sanctions list why they should have access why they should access to all that money to fund terror and parts of regime that have killed
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americans. >> go ahead. >> there's an interesting gamble here. it's interesting to see how quickly the debate has shifted to the regional implications. i started out by saying. that but the interest of the united states and the great powers are greater than the region. indeed, what obama is trying to do here and the reason why the deal could happen to begin with is because the great powers see a reasonable tradeoff in trying to put the nuclear genie back in the bottle not just in iran but worldwide by having a successful nuclear arms control negotiation, to have the successful re-entry of iran into the international nuclear architecture as it were. and so the gamble here and it's clearly a gamble everybody admits it is that a little bit more iranian power in the region is worth the risk for keeping
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iran from going nuclear which this clearly does for a period of time. >> bill, really quick. >> no i don't think -- i mean it doesn't slow down the nuclear program. it's going to increase nuclear proliferation. >> clearly it slows it down. >> there is more likely there will be nuclear proliferation now than there was three years ago. this is a deal that legitimatizes the nuclear program. they paid no price for lying and shooting in the past. they don't promise not to sponsor terror. why doesn't the saudis and egyptians decide hey, guess what? it pays off to go get nuclear weapons? >> no question. >> the arms embargo, the money flowing into iran would that not have happened? would not the money have flowed into iran almost immediately if these talks broke up because sanctions would not have been able to have been imposed going forward and iran would have benefited much faster? >> you know i stand clear to my statements and the arms needs and found ways to get the arms
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they needs. secondly egyptians and saudis can go nuclear. they have to also accept going under sanction that's iran pakistan india and all these countries that went after nuclear program have to go through. so it's a big debt. look at the middle east. our main concern, europe's main concern, russia's main concern is isis. and in that five our arab allies are not necessarily very interested or engaged. when you look at iraq, it's ironically iranian that's are doing the fighting against isis. this picture is much more complicated than it used to be. and there are places in which u.s. and iranian interests are going to meet and there are place that's are going to be against one another. in iraq and syria clearly, you know, as we look at how we're going to contain isis the main fighting force on the ground is iran. a lot of the $140 billion is going to go to fighting isis. >> the new issue of time mae mag"time" magazine is out now. thank you for joining us g to see you both. tomorrow on "morning joe,"
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some officials believe the leader of that major cartel may have used a bird to help him escape from prison. a bird. >> he had more than a bird helping him. >> yeah. >> that's true. >> that's because a mexican official says a dead sparrow was found inside a trash can in el chapo guzman's cell. they suspect he used the bird to test air quality in the one mile long tunnel he used to escape. a custom motorcycle was waiting for guzman inside. and the questions continue to mount about how he was able to vanish without a trace. the mexican newspaper reforma reports it took officials nearly 30 minutes to respond after guzman disappeared if his cell. oh my god. and "the wall street journal" reports surveillance video appears to show an ipad or a tablet near his bed which is not
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allowed in the prison. that is incredible. that was a huge network of people helping him. there is no -- >> i mean beyond. and tons of cash. >> if i can bring -- look at the cell. >> the gods are smiling on donald trump. he makes a big issue of how you can't trust the mexican government to do anything. it's a big news story ten days later. mexican government apparently their in this escape of the drug lord. >> breaking news overnight. george h.w. bush is hospitalized after a fall. we'll have the latest on his condition. and still ahead, former governor rick perry has not held back in his criticism of donald trump. he'll join "morning joe" live. plus she put president obama on the spot about bill cosby's sexual assault allegations. april ryan will join us. and the host of "the last word" lawrence o'donnell is here as well. can a business have a mind? a subconscious.
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scott walker became the 15th republican to announce his candidacy candidacy. like all presidents, he spends a lot of time talking about the budgets and immigration there is something else he always talks about. >> i went to kohl's department stores and bought something at the price it was marked out. now i know if i'm going to buy a shirt that was $49.99 i go to the rack that says now $19.99, i remember to get the flyer out that you get 15% or 20% or if you're lucky, 30% off. she'll reach into her purse and pull out the kohl's cash.
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next thing you know they're paying me to buy the shirt. >> maybe he can go to kohl's and buy new material. >> i like the story. he might have just repeated it too many times. joe? >> you know mika -- >> you're not guilty of that. >> never repeat the same story too many times. >> joe tells his freakin' bill clinton story and i can say the words of his story. i can. >> mika can tell the entire 45-minute speech and you know what? i can tell her entire 45-minute speech too. and i get down on my knees and my daughter was crying. >> all right. >> i said, honey, what's wrong? >> that's our cvs story.
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>> because mommy, you love your job. come on. he who is without sin cast the first stone. i think the best advice i ever got, it was early on. a guy told me he said come up with a speech. make it a good speech. go out on the campaign trail and repeat that speech so much that your own staff four months later are telling you that they're going to throw up if they hear you say it one more time. he said then repeat the speech two more months straight and then and only then will it just begin to breakthrough the consciousness of the voter. it's a great point. especially when you're running in a field of 20 you kind of keep pounding the same message over and over again. so there you go. >> well, scott walker is caught doing the same speech twice.
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mike barnicle is us with. >> you would like me to -- >> no. >> you want to hear any other parts of your speech? >> no bill clinton. no. no imitations. >> none of your stuff? >> no. michael steele jeremy peters all still us with. joining the conversation he never repeats himself, the host of msnbc's "the last word," lawrence o'donnell. he always has new material. and it is so fascinating. and in washington white house correspondent for american urban radio network, april ryan. april, wow. we'll talk about that moment with president obama that was prompted by new just a moment. we want to begin though with the breaking news that we've been following that former president george h.w. bush suffered a neck fracture after falling at his home. bush's spokesman jim mcgrath tweeted out a statement that reads "41 fell at home in maine today and broke a bone if his neck. his condition is stable.
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he's fine. but he will be in a neck brace." a hospital spokesman tells nbc news that bush was taken to maine medical center an he remains there this morning. former president bush turned 91 in june and uses a wheelchair because he has a form of parkinson's disease. he was hospitalized for a week last december after experiencing difficulty breathing and spent two months in the hospital in january of 2013 for bronchitis related issues. we'll follow that and we hope for the best here. now to politics. donald trump has done what many never expected he would do. he revealed what he says is the extent of his wealth. while trump did not release the personal financial disclosure form that he filed, his campaign did release a statement. saying that his net worth is $10 billion. up from his $8.7 billion estimate just one month ago. while listing some of his recent earnings the statement did not include values on his real estate holdings branding deals,
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or debt. his campaign says "this report was not designed for a man of mr. trump's massive wealth. for instance they have boxes once a certain number is reached that simply state $50 million or month. many of those boxes have been checked." okay? you guys got that? >> oh, yeah. >> it was designed for a man of scott walker's level of wealth. >> exactly. the federal election commission confirmed receiving the report and has up to 30 days to release it publicly. and this morning, there are new signs of a major shift in how republicans view donald trump as a presidential candidate. a new poll from abc news and "the washington post" show nearly 60% now have a favorable view of trump. less than two months ago, 65% of republicans said they had an unfavorable view of him. and trump's favorability numbers put him in the same space as jeb bush. both remain under water with americans as a whole. joe, what do you make of the
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numbers? >> well it's a pretty remarkable shift. i want to ask lawrence o'donnell, lawrence, you've been doing this for some time. what accounts for donald trump going from having 65% of the party disapproval proving to now 57% approving? >> not boring. those two words in politics are magic especially among a big field like this. and presidential primary voters are yearning to be excited. you know democrats always want that. gene mccarthy feeling, you know republicans want their version of that feeling. but i have a question about this poll. i want to put it to the republicans at the table. we have three of you. if you're asked this question, just this simple question do you have a favorable or unfavorable view of donald trump, how -- bill you would say -- what you would say? favorable or unfavorable?
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>> i think i would say favorable about all of them honestly. bush and walker. i would vote for walker rubio ahead of trump. >> so what does it sneen. >> it means you sort of think he is adding something to the discussion. he is interesting and fun. he's actually raised a couple issues that are worth debating. >> but in that 57% favorable republicans, you guys firmly believe, most of them would never vote for donald trump? >> but if 20% would vote he would get in iowa. >> that's how it works. the thing about that for donald trump, if he decides to take this thing in the new direction where he actually is as you noted, mike puts together complete sentences, no that's not going to happen. this is the point. you may be right. it may not happen. but here's the kicker. if it does then all of a sudden given momentum he has, it begins to solidify in a very different way for the rest of the field. because right now they'll play off of him as a gadfly.
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that he's outside the box and too much. but if he goinz make that coherent argument that you referenced, mike, then it begins to change the dynamic a bit. >> joe, do you agree? >> yeah. i mean he is actually making a coherent argument. the coherent argument is that our leaders are buffoons. they don't know how to negotiate deals. they abandoned working class americans in trade deals with china and mexico and that's a very strong powerful message right now that a lot of republicans and democrats are listening to. lawrence i'm struck by how many people -- i don't know if this happened you to it keeps happening to america how many people that aren't usually involved in politics but know that i happen to do a political show will call me up or see me on the street and talk about trump. i like this gichlt he finally somebody speaking the truth. and you're right, it's sort of that eugene mccarthy ross
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perot, to pat buchanan to the democratic side, bernie sanders to donald trump. a strain in politics where strange bed fellows sometimes get the same working class voters going to them. >> no i haven't gotten that phone call, joest. i haven't gotten with person saying i like this donald trump. the wonderful incoherence that you can just listen to forever. >> i think it may be the bubble. maybe perhaps the bubble. >> i can't get in. >> in "the apprentice," in that show of his, taped show okay they used -- he would do these seven minute segments called in the board room. it would take them a minimum of two, 2 1/2 hours of donald stream of nonsense to get seven usable minutes. so, michael, the coherence moment is never going to come with this guy.
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never going to come. >> and, yet! and yet! -- >> i also think is going to be great when trump and bernie sanders win the iowa primaries. it will be great to see all the respectable types recoil. oh, my god. how could they be doing that? voting against hillary clinton, against jeb bush. >> yes. >> so lawrence has just summed it up so beautifully. that's why i love having him on the show. so we hear a story of how incoherent donald trump is. what a buffoon he is. what a blow hard donald trump is. and if you look and see what his salary is from nbc from yesterday's financial disclosures -- >> it's a complete total lie. that's a lie. let me explain something here. donald trump didn't even make $1 million for his first year. joe, nbc, the last time trump said this is how much money i'm making from nbc, nbc was forced
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to release a statement saying he is lying. that's what they said. when he said last time that he was making $130 million for two years of an nbc show which no one has made and especially in that nonsense category that he is in. he was a hired hand. he had no profit in the mark burnett show. that's who gets the profit from that show. there is not much profit. tv is the rerun business syndication business. trump has been one of the lowest paid people to have an hour long show on nbc. >> okay. >> you make more from nbc than donald trump. he gets more viewers. >> that is nonsense. >> you are so out of bounds saying that donald trump makes a million dollars on one of the most successful prime time shows? >> this is open information. >> it is hilarious. >> it didn't win the time slot. this has been a declining show.
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hit two good years at the beginning. it's been declining ever since. every actor you can name on television, if you can name them, i guarantee you they made more money than donald trump. he made $50,000 an episode the first season. he made $100,000 an episode for the next two seasons, joe. that is when it was at the highest rating. he was a hired hand. he was relatively low paid. >> he is a middle class person. he makes less than hillary clinton does for one of her speeches. >> poor guy. >> it drives him crazy if anyone is richer than him. >> this guy, mika, this guy, it's unbelievable. donald trump, he's just such a loser. he has a prime time show on nbc or a decade. >> and you're falling for it because you don't understand how much money people make on tv. you don't get i. >> you can just keep rambling and being condescending as you
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want lawrence. you just proved our point. >> let me ask you one question. >> you just proved our point. >> do you believe -- >> no, lawrence. you're not -- this is -- do you believe nbc lied about how much donald trump was paid? >> i -- >> because that's your choice. one of them is lying. do you believe nbc lied about what donald trump was paid? >> lawrence i don't even know what you're talking about. i don't know what you're talking about. >> i think the bigger picture here, joe and lawrence -- >> no. i think the conversation is that lawrence is proving why donald trump will continue to rise in the polls because he's condescending. he's isolated. and he is so twisted up that he is saying the guy that has a prime time show on a major network is a sucker that makes no money. >> if you want to sit there and fight for the guys, joe, that's what is the --
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>> moral indignation of a man inflating his pay a little bit. >> lawrence give me your arm. >> meek yashgs letika, let's move on. >> honey you need some tea. >> good segue. >> as for the democrats -- as for the democrats, a brand new poll finds 39% of americans have a favorable view of hillary clinton compared to nearly half who say they have a negative opinion. that's an eight point increase in the unfavorable rating from the ap -- what's that? >> is that americans? i think that is actually democrats or it is americans? >> americans. >> okay. conducted at the end of april. the poll also finds that 7 in 10 democrats gave clinton positive marks and 11% drop from their april survey. nearly a quarter of democrats now say they see clinton in an
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unfavorable light. this as another poll shows clinton above water with her favorability ratings, 52% of all americans now have a favorable view of the democratic front-runner in the new abc news/"washington post" survey that is kbard to just 45% in may. joe? >> the trustworthiness is in the 30s now. we'll see how it goes. there is always an ebb and flow to this. hillary is doing better in some polls. bill kristol, when your trustworthyiness goes from the low 40s to the high 30s you're starting to move in category that's not going to help you out moving forward in the general election. and sort of it's the opposite problem that donald trump has. he may be doing well on the republican side of the ledger but he is still upside down when it comes to dealing with the other party. >> that strikes me that bush and clinton are weak frontrunners. i think if you fluke 2007 at mccain's numbers and obama numbers, they were both way over
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50 favorable. a lot of people liked them both. they respected them both. they preferred one or the other. here you have both of them underwater among all voters in several polls. barely above water. i think both bush and hillary clinton, i got to say, are more vulnerable in the primaries than people think. >> april ryan, we haven't heard from you. what do you make of the polled? what do you think is happening here? and then i'd like to talk about bill cosby. >> well, you know when you take polls, it's a straw poll view at that moment. it could have been a couple days ago, what have you. but you have to remember when you start out strongly you're the front-runner you're always going to have that ebb and flow, that back and forth. jeb bush and hillary clinton are dynasty candidates. so people had a bit of them for a moment. now they're looking at all these other mavericks and taking a page out of sarah palin's dictionary. they're looking at all the other mavericks like donald trump. you may say he is a liar or whatever but he's getting a lot of attention. and then you have bernie sanders
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who is getting a lot of attention. it's now time for everyone to be seen, all the a,000thou 5,000 candidates. but what hillary clinton has to do is revamp herself and come back brand new very soon. >> yeah. and strong. april, before we show the exchange between you and president obama about bill cosby, i just want to know obviously it's a huge day at the white house yesterday. everyone is talking about the iran deal. what was your thinking or your strategy or just why does you decide to ask that question then? >> you know mika it's interesting that people are like why did you ask that question? first of all, the president came out. it was a press conference where he was going to give a statement on iran. i didn't get the memo where it was just an iran press conference. i've been doing this for 18 years. and i watched the veterans do this. the sam donaldsons the helen thomases and ann compton dozen this great job. and i watched them you know at
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any press conference there is always a chance where you get a question. you ask a question that has not been asked. the room was overwhelmed with iran. and president obama has known me for 6 1/2 years. if he knew that if he came to me i could ask about iran. i could ask about other things. this is a big week also for criminal justice. so urban issues african-american issues are the issues that i ask questions about at the white house mostly when other issues are exhausted. so i asked about criminal justice. i had three questions, criminal justice, his trip to kenya and then the bill cosby question. >> so here it is at the president's news conference yesterday. take a look. >> would you revoke the medal of freedom from bill cosby? >> there's no precedent for revoking a medal. we don't have that mechanism. and as you know i make it a policy not to comment on the
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specifics of cases where there might still be if not criminal then civil issues involved. i'll say this -- if you give a woman, or a man for that matter without his or her knowledge a drug and then have sex with that person without consent, that's rape. and i think this country, any civilized country should have no tolerance for rape. >> april, step out of the reporter role and tell me what you felt as a human being about that answer. >> you know i'm not supposed to
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be the story. but as a woman, as a daughter of a woman, as a mother of two daughters, i was -- i was floored. i was like wow. it was strong. it was a statement. you know and hearing these allegations, i mean, it's amaze amazing amazing. and then as someone being a kid, i grew up you know on cosby. "fat albert." i remember my parents gave me this little -- what it is a 45 disk. it is called water, water everywhere by bill cosby. and, you know, i watched "the cosby show." i watched "different world." it was interesting. but my reporters hat was on. taking a look back you know it's just a sad situation all the way around for everyone. and it was a presidential issue. any time you have people asking
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that this president revoke a medal given by another president, it became presidential. i had to ask that question. it's not about me personally. it's about the issue. anything presidential, anything nothing is beyond ballance to as the president of the united states. that was a presidential question. >> april, thank you. lawrence o'donnell and bill kristol, thank you both as well. still ahead on "morning joe," former texas governor rick perry will join us as he asks republican voters to give him a second chance in his bid for the presidency. plus the iran deal is now in congress' hands. chris murphy and republican senator john thune are boenl leer to -- both here to weigh in. coming up tomorrow secretary of state john kerry takes us inside the negotiating room for that historic agreement. you're watching "morning joe." how much protein does your dog food have? 18%? 20? introducing nutrient-dense purina one true instinct
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for them we're the little satan, you're the great satan and now i think they're being
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empowered to conduct that battle. i think this is bad for us for you, and the world. it is not part of annish knew israel. it shouldn't be an issue in the united states. and it cuts across arabs and israelis in the middle east. most of the arab leaders, whether privately or publicly think that this is very dangerous to them too. and i would advise this. it doesn't happen very often in history, but when arabs and israelis agree, it's worth paying attention. >> i challenge those who are objecting to this agreement, number one, to read the agreement before they comment on it. number two, to explain specifically where it is that they think this agreement does not prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. and why they're right and people like an mit nuclear physicist and expert in these issues is wrong. >> okay. we're going to be talking about the iran nuclear deal with folks who are going to be close to making the decision helping
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make the decision as to whether it goes through in just a moment. but first, who is lawrence calling a liar? i didn't get it. >> no donald trump. >> i thought it was joe. >> no. >> he said donald -- >> nbc? >> he said donald trump was lying. >> why? what? >> he did -- he also called nbc executives liars i think. he was very spooled up about something. i don't know. >> but isn't that ultimately your point, joe? wasn't that point we were making here is that donald trump is getting folks in the echo chamber spooled up. >> you can lie on a press release. you can't lie on that document to the sec. if he repeats the numbers that were in the document and he's not telling the truth, he's going to have a big problem. >> yeah. that will be an interesting story. >> and also i think -- if i'm
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not mistaken he's been on in prime time on nbc for a decade now. >> with a high rated show. >> with a high rated show. but i think it is the point that i was trying to make before lawrence started screaming and calling everybody a liar and i guess maybe that happens in prime time television. we don't do it here. but my point was that here you got a guys that been on a prime time show for over a decade and lawrence is trying to say he's one of the lowest paid people in television. i think this is a perfect example, mark of how some people that are in a echo chamber just don't understand what's going on out there and why donald trump is actually having some working class democrats, independents and republicans following him around. it was really kind of shocking the anger and the rage that
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lawrence showed. we've been smiling and laughing this whole show at sort of some of the fascinating aspects of these type of campaigns. >> i believe it's also the case that mr. trump owns half the show. so his salary wouldn't be just for appearing in the program but for whatever the show made for nbc which was a lot over the years. you know trump is not a perfect man. he said some outrageous things as other people do too. >> said terrible things. >> but go at any city in america with him and you'll see he's not just unlike any other presidential candidate. as my experience as a human wk the possible exception of berl xoeny in italy, i never met anybody like donald trump. and that has some down sides as we see in the polling. but it is -- it strikes a cord with people. as mike said before and michael steele said can you not underestimate when our politics are dominated by the bushes and clintons, a guy who is an
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outsider who is talking about changing america in a way to appeal to working class people with anger but also optimism. >> all right. let's talk about america's role in the world. joining us now, member of the senate foreign relations committee, democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. very good to have you on the show senator. >> good morning. >> the iran deal it is obviously stirring up a lot of controversy between democrats and republicans. some democrats are concerned about it as well. where do you stand? >> so i'm still going through the agreement. right now i don't see anything in it that would cause me to oppose it. think what i the president is saying is you have to reconciled well world that we have not the world that we want. and there is only two ways to stop iran from getting a nuclear weapon. either you negotiate with them and you give them something in return, or you force them to give up their nuclear program which really is a matter of a military attack. that wouldn't happen overnight. but if you're not willing to talk to these guys at all and
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that's what i'm hearing from most of my republican friends. i don't hear them talk a lot about the details of the deal. they seem to object to the very nature of entering into an agreement with iran that would give them access to tens of billions of dollars that have been held in obeyance. if you're not willing to talk to them, you have to admit the only logical path to stop them from getting a weapon likely in the end involves military action. i know for some people that is a stark choice to hear yesterday. but it is the logical conclusion of a process here in congress where we reject to this deal. because the sanctions will not go back into place if the united states rejects a deal that all of our partners support. the restrictions on the nuclear program won't go into place and you'll get the worst of all worlds. you'll get iran empowered with money from a release of sanctions at least from russia and china. and you'll get no eyes on the nuclear program. and so i'm just amazed that there is such a casualness of opposition to this deal given the consequences of the united states congress rejectsing it in the face of all of this international support from the
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p-aplusp ppp p-5 plus one. >> i think most people agree that one of the failings of this president and this white house has been his outreach to members of congress on important issues like. this i wonder how you would compare the white house's reaching out to you and other senators to other issues? it is getting better on this particular one? >> so i think it's largely black and white. i am amongst those who have been critical of the white house for not being as engaged with congress on a host of other issues. but on this question of the iran nuclear deal the outreach is absolutely exceptional. i think most of us got a call within hours of the deal being reached. i can't tell you the number of times that i've gone over to the white house personally, even as someone who is likely supporter of this agreement to talk about the progress and the negotiations. this is a legacy issue for the president. it's as big as he conveys it to
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be in that press conference so this new world order that he hopes comes down in the wake of it. and the outreach is really extraordinary. and democrats who are, yes, having a little bit of cold feet. i think you'll see just like on other questions like the kurt menendez legislation, the new sanctions legislation of a lot of democrats supported and then after vigorous outreach from the white house, many of them walked back the support for it. the same dynamic will play out here. when the president engages with congress on this question of iran, he normally wins the argument. i think that will happen here. >> senator, if we could go back to, as you eluded, to the world that we have as opposed to the world that everyone wants. the p-5 plus one nations if, this deal goes down if, it doesn't happen those sanctions are removed. would we have any allies left in imposing further sanctions? and if the deal goes down would we have any allies at all in taking any potential military
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action? >> so you clearly, i think, would lose the support of russia and china. they would move ahead with plans to do economic deals with iran which would largely strip away the crippling nature of the sanctions, maybe you could put sanctions back into place with the european partners. but this would be an absolute blow to the legitimacy of this president and of any president to negotiate a diplomatic agreement. this is an exceptional moment in which you have the united states, you know european partners russia and china all agreeing on a path forward. if the united states congress was to override that i don't know how any president in the future could ever sit across from our allies and adversaries and negotiate a deal much that's why this is a moment about the legitimacy of diplomacy. republicans in congress and i really believe this just simply don't believe in the legitimacy of diplomacy as a tool in the tool kit of the american president. they do zero oversight on our war that we're fighting right now against isis. a military engageme next tnt in the
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middle east. and that just speaks to what members m. republicans in congress believe to be legitimate exercises of american power and illegitimate exercises of american power. if this deal goes down i don't see how the united states can lead any diplomatic effort in the near future aren't world without people questioning whether or not congress is going to accept in and override it. >> that might be the bottom line. senator chris murphy thank you very much. great to you have back on the show. i think it will be really tough if it didn't go through. i'm still recovering. is lawrence okay? he was attacking joe like he had some maybe too much -- too many -- >> mike slapped a bracelet on him before he left so we can track him. >> that is out of nowhere. i still don't understand what it is b. >> lawrence is fine. >> okay. >> he'll be fine. >> all right. well we'll have to check his pulse later. >> saraha ayer sarah palin sent him
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this is a good one. >> we always talk about knowing your value and -- >> you are finishing your donut? you're, like -- it's all right. go ahead. >> he is talking mid chew. >> is that a donut? did you just have a donut? >> no it's the chocolate croissant croissant. he eats like four of them. i know he's doing that. >> i'm a jelly donut. >> anyhow as you were saying. >> how do you say i'm a chocolate croissant? oh, my god, it's great. we talk about knowing your value, mika. and we talk about it in the personal life and in term of 2015. but elizabeth warren knew her value a very long time ago and she actually practiced that in her personal life in a way very few women did 35 years ago.
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>> senator elizabeth warren known for blazing her own path did the same thing when it came to her engage. n a facebook post warren revealed she proposed to fellow harvard professor bruce man. warren who was 30 at the time writes, i was a single mom with two little kids and i started teaching law school in houston and then i met a guy if massachusetts named bruce. i was completely crazy about him and i still am. when i proposed to him, he said yes. 35 years later they're still happily married. that's cute much that's nice. that is really cool. >> that's great zlam. >> up next he says he is concerned about the -- >> wait. hold on, hold on. hold on. mike barnicle can at least say something nice about elizabeth warren in this personal story. mike, come on mike. >> why would i not say something nice?
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i mean you think i'm lawrence here? why wouldn't i say something nice? of course it's very nice. >> i'm just saying you and steve ratner. that's all i'm saying. you're sometimes elizabeth warren skeptics. >> joe is all over the place this morning. >> it's one thing being skeptical about, you know whether or not she can get done get accomplished the things she talks about. >> like make the consumer protection bureau run for senate when -- i know what you mean. >> that's not what i mean but that's okay. you can say that. it's one thing to pick apart, you know, her political positions. it's quite another not to admire who she, is what she's done with her life and the fact that she celebrating her 35th wedding anniversary today. all wonderful things. congratulations, senator warren. >> thank you. republican senator john thune is next on "morning joe." we'll be right back. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano tuners... were just as simple?
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welcome back to "morning joe." let's bring in right now senator john thune and, john let's ask you the $64,000 question this morning that is the iran deal. are you comfortable with it? >> i'm not, joe. i think there is bipartisan skepticism about it here on capitol hill. you heard not only republicans but a number of democrats speak about it already. and a lot of democrats are keeping their powder dry and going to listen i think, to the discussion over the next several weeks. i think at the moment there is just a lot of his tansy not only here on capitol hill but around the country as we learn more about the particulars of this and what was negotiated. >> well, you aren't in the no column yet are you? are you going to wait and see like bob corker? >> i'm trying to keep an open mind about this. but it's very hard joe, as we learn more about it about the
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concession that's were made all the particulars of the agreement when it comes to inspections and verification. of course, expanding this to include a conventional weapons, lifting the embargo on conventional weapons and ballistic missiles is very problematic. this is a country that terrorizes the region already. and we're going to make it easier for them to do that by lifting the sanctions and giving them tens of billions of dollars to do it to now in addition having access to the arms that would enable them to do that. so i'm approaching this with a high level of skepticism. i want to hart discussion and allow the administration to make their argument and make their case. they'll get the chance to do that in the hearings coming up. >> senator, as you interact with the administration officials in public and private, give us example of two questions you will ask to learn more about the deal than you know now. >> i think, mark the -- there's a lot of -- what exactly does this inspections regime consist of? for example, they say key nuclear facilities will have
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access to whenever we want to. but military sites, the kinds of places where they can conduct secret research, the understanding, think we have today is it would take -- we would have to give them 24-day notice to do that. and obviously that, would give them an opportunity to hide things. i think most people have at least up here one of the things going into this was we have to have any time anywhere inspection capability in this deal. and i don't think any of us at least at this point see that. so that will certainly be one question. i think the question about, you know lifting the arms embargo and what the -- what this entails for the region is something that people will drill down on as well. obviously that, has enormous implications for israel and our arab allies all of whom are extremely concerned about what this means. >> senator, you and others have voiced legitimate concerns about at least a couple elements about this potential deal. one involving sanctions that you just mentioned. and the other having to do with breakout period for iran getting
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the nuclear weapon in 10 that to 15 years when they're allowed to import more material. but if the deal goes down, is it not the case that the sanctions would be weakened immediately for iran thus allowing them to gain even more money more quickly than under the deal and wouldn't iran be able to start research and development on a nuclear weapon far earlier than if the deal progresses? >> i think, mike this deal makes them a nuclear threshold state. they continue to keep the centrifuges. they continue to do research. the advanced centrifuges and technology that they'll have access to going forward and you have to remember the iranians play the long game. for us we look at these things as a matter of years, they look at decades. i think that you know what we're encouraging today is creating a path way for them to get to that nuclear capability. if we didn't have this deal i would love to see the sanctions
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put back in place. i think they were very effective. we brought that country to its knees. if you read this agreement, much of the agreement particularly in the second annex is a list of all the all the individuals, the businesses, the entities are going to get sanctions relief and the billions of dollars that's going to mean flowing into their economy, which can be turned around and used to find heszbollah and hamas and all of the bad things the iranians are involved with today. it's very concerning. i pg think we could have been in a much better place and i think we still could, but the choices are going to be somewhat limited based on what the president agreed to. >> you mentioned you think we could be in a better place. your colleague senator chris murphy was on the program where he noted republicans don't acknowledge the legitimacy of diplomacy as a tool of american power. what is your response to that and other tones like that coming from some democrats and others around the country about what republicans would do with this
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deal? >> right, i think part of that michael, goes back to when this thing started. most republicans at the time i think, would support, did support keeping the sanctions in place, continuing to bring the regime to its knees. we had a noose that we were tightening around their necks and it had been effective, which is why they came to the table in the first place. i think that republicans like democrats very much believe in diplomacy as a tool to try to negotiate and get things down for the good of our country, and its national security interests. but in this case it's got to be strong diplomacy and strong leadership. that opportunity may have been lost, the window may have closed because of where we are today, but clearly, i think we would be in a much better place physical the sanctions stayed in place and given us an opportunity to negotiate a stronger deal which would prevent iran from creating a nuclear capability. i think the next president is going to have to manage nuclear
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proliferation in the middle east and that's essentially going to be the legacy of what this deal is. >> john final question. donald trump at the top of a lot of republican polls right now. many republicans inside washington think that's a very bad thing. do you think donald trump as the republican party standard bearer in the middle of july 2015 is a good thing or a bad thing? >> i think it's a short-term thing. this will have a shelf life attached to it. i think, i think you have mentioned this on the show what we have to understand is he's speaking to people out there. it doesn't matter who's delivering the message, whether it's donald trump on the republican side or bernie sanders on the democrat side there's a sense out there around the country of tumulti, and they're tapping into a populist streak and a lot of deep anxieties and concerns americans have. our candidates need to speak to those issues because i think
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that's what's giving donald trump the popularity he has at the moment. overtime, when the other candidates have a chance to engage and we have the debates, the picture will become more clear and we'll have other candidates start to emerge. >> all right, john. always great talking to you. thanks for being with us. senator john thune, we appreciate it. more "morning joe" right after this. for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal... until your insurance company jacks up your rates. you freak out. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? hey insurance companies, news flash. nobody's perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.
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as more polls show him oin the rise donald trump does what many never expected he will do. we'll reveal what that is. >> still ahead, rick perry joins the show. and denis leary will be here on set as well. tomorrow, a "morning joe" exclusive. we'll ask secretary of state john kerry just how close the u.s. was from walking away to the talks with iran when he joins us on the show. much more "morning joe" when we come back. ♪ quicker smarter earlier fresher harder
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good morning. welcome to "morning joe." mika we've got a lot to talk about, as always. so much coming at us these days.
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yesterday, i saw one of the greatest press releases in the history of american politics. donnell trump talking about his net worth, and the best part is when he came to his net worth, capping $10 billion. so straight out of an austin powers movie, when he did that. >> yes, and i'm very rich i believe, is what he said as well. but again, another thing that a lot of people outside the echo chamber like but we'll see if the numbers add up. there's a little controversy about that. with us on set today, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle manager editor of bloomberg politics mike halpern, michael steele, and jeremy peters and former governor of -- oh, boy, former governor of vermont,
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former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. why do i think things are going to go off the rail? >> oh, come on. >> how did he pop up? >> south carolina. >> oh, god. okay. i'm going to move the politics up. i'm going to move the politics up. you know howard actually will wake everybody up here this morning because he's going to start screaming. but first, joe, breaking news overnight that former president george h.w. bush suffered a neck fracture. bush's spokesman tweeted out a statement last night that reads, quote, 41 fell at home in maine today and broke a bone in his neck. his condition is stable. he's fine. but he'll be in a neck brace. hospital spokesman tells nbc news bush was taken to maine medical center and was kept there overnight, and he said it was, quote, premature to
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speculate beyond that. the former president turned 91 in june and uses a wheelchair because he has a form of parkinson's disease. he was hospitaled for a week last december after experiencing difficulty breathing and spent nearly two months in 2013 for bronchitis related issues. our best to the family and we hope he is well. joe. >> we certainly do. our thoughts and prayers are with the entire bush family. mike, you have been up there. it's pretty extraordinary watching this man who has gone to the same home for 91 summers, except i guess one or two when you were talking to him, that he didn't, he couldn't go up. and you found out later it was because he was fighting world war ii. >> yeah i asked him. i was amazed sitting there on the rock wall of the back porch overlooking the atlantic of the
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home in ken uaport, and i said how many summers have you spent here? this was a few years ago. he said i'm 88 years of age. i spent every summer of my life here, including the summer when i was born. he said except for one summer he said when i was away. i thought for a second and what he meant was, he was, you know away fighting world war ii. never wanted to say, when i was at war. he just said when i was away. he makes everyone better just being around him. >> yeah. beautiful. let's get to politics. we'll monitor that story. and update folks on his condition as it comes in. so joe, donald trump has done what many never expected he would do which is reveal what he says is the extent of his wealth. while trump did not release the personal financial disclosure
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form he filed, his campaign releases a statement saying his net worth is $10 million, up from the $8.7 billion estimate just a month ago. while listing some of his earnings, they did not include values on his real estate holdings branding deals. his report said this was not designed for a man of mr. trump's massive wealth. for instance, they have boxes. once a certain number reached that simply state, $50 million or more. many of those boxes have been checked. the federal election commission -- >> no, no whoever wrote the press release was awesome. just absolutely awesome, because they did put $10 billion in all caps, and they noted correctly, i'm sure that mr. trump is carrying a very low, low, low level of debt and may we add, carrying it at very low interest
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rates. >> i should disclose i'm working on a one-man show that featured a character playing mr. trump dictating these press releases because the capitalization, the punctuation, is all incredible. >> you know he said put that all in caps. >> i am old enough to remember if you had $250 million, you were considered a rich presidential candidate. this guy is the richest to run, whether he has $4 billion or $10 billion, but he should be saving the press releases and publishing them in a book. >> fantastic. >> the federal election commission confirmed receiving the report and has up to 30 days to release it publicly. and this morning, there are new signs of a major shift in how republicans view donald trump as a presidential candidate. a new poll from abc news and the washington post show nearly 60% now have a favorable view of trump. less than two months ago, 65% of -- yeah you want to stop there? >> let's stop.
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hold that up take that in. mark halpern, this is a dramatic shift in the republican party. we showed yesterday his problems with democrats and republicans and independents but donald trump was upside down in a massive way with republicans just a month ago. look at those numbers. his unfavorables have dropped 25%. his favorables have gone up. my gosh over 30%, 34%. this isn't just donald carving out his 15%, which we've all thought he was going to do. this is actually more republicans, a lot more republicans starting to see him in a faveeral light. >> these numbers are dramatic and they show you three things. number one, we have to treat polls as snap shots of where we are. number two things speople should stop underestimated trump, and this republican field is vast and unsettled. republicans voters want to win
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the white house back. they have no idea who is best equipped to do that. some number of them think it might be donald trump. >> wow. >> michael steele? >> can't do better than that. >> i'll let you gasp as a former chairman of the republican national committee, and tell us how much let's say, the republican party in washington, d.c. is worried right now about trump's continued rise. >> this whole episode is redefining angina right now for reince and his team. it is taking it to a whole other level. i don't think there's enough left on the block to deal with this. and i think mark is absolutely right. there is a huge underestimation by the washington folks about what this man is doing right now. and instead of going after trump, and focusing on his brand or his noise or whatever try to understand why he's moving
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voters, why he's moving people from 65% disapproval within his own party to now 57% approval. that's a huge swing, joe, as you know. >> massive. >> if you don't understand why that's happened you're in for a rude awakening come august 6th when he's on the stage. >> okay it might be way too early in the morning for me to try to do this, but jeremy peters, i want to know why everyone on this set is smiling. and i mean it chuckling and smiling and they think it's funny. and i understand i understand donald trump has said some things a lot of people find offensive because he's brash and boisterous and bold. i think if you really read between the lines, you can see there might be a fragment, a huge section of our society that agrees with his position on immigration, that it might have been very badly worded. but lindsey graham says crazy
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things. john mccain says crazy things. ted cruz says some things that i -- i -- i have had some responses to some republican statements that i had meltdowns on the set about. so i just want to know why everyone is smiling and what's going on here with donald trump that people kind of hint -- >> and by the way, take note that the only people that say crazy things in mika's world in the south of france are republicans. bernie sanders has said crazy things. elizabeth warren has said crazy things. >> no, she has not. >> nancy pelosi has said krary things. i just wanted to level this out. but everybody says something crazy once in a while. >> howard dean has said some crazy things. >> never asked. so jeremy you get the point. >> why -- yeah. >> we're smiling for the same reason that a lot of people are lining up to see trump, because he's a skeptical.
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he's entertainment. he's more than just a political celebrity. he's a cultural celebrity. there's a certain star quality that draws people to his events who ordinary wouldn't go to a political event, who probably aren't even going to vote. but i do think you're right, mika. what trump has tapped into is this sense that is very strong among a lot of people in the conservative base. that they feel like something has been snatched away from them. they feel like their country has been changed, and they want to quote/unquote take it back. take it back from whom? >> right there, jeremy. >> yes. >> what you just said if that's what it is that's serious. >> the that's what it is. >> that's really serious, that he's able to do that. that just sounds like a real candidate. sorry, i'm afraid to say it myself but i mean that sounds like a real candidate. >> right, well part of the issue here is i think, and this will determine whether or not his message has staying power, is
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how willing republicans are to accept a message that is that negative and backward looking. it's all like obama has ruined the country. it's all -- he said the american dream is dead. and i think that republicans, a lot of them are looking for a positive message, a positive messenger, and i don't know they're going to buy into it. >> i -- >> if you sootrump as just having a negative message, you're misleading. people like his exceptionalism. >> jerry made a passionate pitch for trump. >> perot said a lot of outrageous things and got one fifth of the vote in 1992. perot was very potent leading in the polls at one point. and schwarzenegger got elected governor of california. people like outsiders who challenge the status quo in the party. >> joe help me out. >> i think, though this is howard happening so fast. his rise in the polls are going
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up howard dean so quickly that right now i think a lot of political reporters are scrambling to go from the side show aspect of it to the fact that there's a guy in here that's going to have an impact. ross perot was brought up. he's said a lot of really crazy things, the black panthers were trying to scale his wall to break up his daughter pfsz wedding, et cetera et cetera. but whether it's perot or donald trump or a guy you've got a great deal of respect for, bernie sanders in vermont, there is a theme that runs through this. they talk about the stupid trade deals that leave american workers on the sidelines. they strake a lot of populist tones. what is it about that strain of politics that draws people to see bernie sanders rally and draws people who aren't republicans to see donald trump's rallies. >> first, i think jeremy has his finger on it. i would love to hear what michael has to say. there's a fundamental change
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going on inside the republican party. i feel like a lot of conservatives are being left behind because in the electorate we have and the part of the electorate that is drawing is the tea party people which appear, for better or not, to be dominating the republican party, can't win. a national presidential election. so the smart people in d.c. and the republican party are trying to move them back to the middle so they can appeal to the first global generation the millennial generation on gay rights on immigration, on multiculturalism. these folks who are flocking to see donald trump, don't like any of that stuff. it's a battle for the soul of the republican party, and trump is a real monkey wrench in the effort of the leadership of the republican party to make them acceptable to the younger generation that elected barack obama twice and is going to elect hillary clinton if the democrats can figure out how to talk about immigration in a different way sdaesh excuse me the republicans can't talk about
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immigration in a different way. michael, isn't this going on in the republican party? a battle for the soul of the republican party? >> there is and it's been ongoing for quite some time. it's one of the things i inherited in '06. they figured out who are we what do we stand for? i smile, mika because i smile at the reaction that everyone is having to donald trump. and a lot of people you know in the neighborhoods that i travel in they're like, i don't get what people don't get. and i don't understand why they don't understand what he's saying, because he speaks to me. the guy or gal sitting on the couch taking the kids to day care going to their construction job, are sitting there going he's speaking what i have felt for a long long time. folks, keep in mind this is not just in the gop, this is not just about republicans thinking this. this is a broader argument he's making and it's appealing to everybody, not just republicans. >> coming up on "morning joe,"
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president obama goes there. his blunt assessment on the sexual assault allegations against legendary comedian bill cosby. plus rick perry isn't exactly raking in huge donations right now, but his superpac is and it's rolling out a bold new plan to keep him in the race. he joins us straight ahead. >> first, bill karenwise a check of the forecast. >> good morning. so many days we talk about lohrable weather flooding in kentucky, the severe thunderstorms. today, we start with beautiful picturesque gorgeous summer weather from the northeast all the way to the great lakes. enjoy this. we haven't had many beautiful 80 degree days with low humidity all the way down through virginia, and kentucky you deserve your break. further to the south, the middle of the summer. heat warnings in effect for mississippi, heat advisories for morgz portions of mississippi to arkansas and texas. 105 to 110 is how it will feel at the peak of the day. it has been this way for the last couple days.
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welcome back to "morning joe." things haven't fallen off the rails completely although jeremy's future is uncertain. as for the democrats, hillary clinton is back above water with his favorite ratings koosz to one poll. 52% of all americans now have a favorable view of the democratic front runner. that's compared to 45% in may. a new suffolk university poll usa today poll shows nearly 60% of democrat and democratic leaning independent voters would vote for clinton in the 2016 caucuses. and a monmouth university poll looks at what would happen if vice president biden would enter the race. biden, who has not announced his
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plans, is currently behind clinton and bernie sanders, but 33% of democratic voters said they would be very or somewhat likely to choose biden. 68% of those voters are currently supporting clinton. i have heard, i know people chuckled at me. i heard he might jump in and well, i don't get the greatest reaction to that in terms of people thinking he will joe, but i think it's possible. >> well i wish he would. >> me too. >> i really -- i would really like to have his voice on the campaign trail. we noted in 2008 that in every single presidential debate in 2008 the next morning, we were supposed to figure out who won and who lost the debate. and after about the third or fourth presidential debate we just shrugged and said the rest of the world's looking at hillary and they're looking at barack obama, but the two people that won were chris dodd and joe
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biden. they knew more about foreign policy, more about domestic policy. you could tell they would know what to do from the first day in the office. but it didn't matter because that year democrats were chasing a superstar, and they got him instead of two men who actually were well equipped to be president from the first day. >> when i say people don't give me a good reaction they don't think he's going to run is my point. i have heard otherwise. >> i think there is an element within the democratic party now that elizabeth warren has stayed on the shelf, that bernie sanders, they have seen all this movement toward bernie sanders. at least there's a part of a wing of a wing that is moving in that direction, that the biden folks are looking seriously at this and depending on how the clinton campaign prevails going forward, if you know the numbers begin to closen it might be worth his interest to get in this thing to shake it up a little bit.
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all right, this next story is on the front pages of a lot of local newspapers. the president's news conference yesterday was all about iran until he got a question related to the sexual assault allegations against bill cosby. >> would you revoke the medal of freedom from bill cosby. >> there's no precedent for revoking a medal. we don't have that mechanism. i'll say this. if you give a woman or a man, for that matter without his or her knowledge, a drug and then have sex with that person without consent, that's rape. >> well there you go. >> there you go. that's it for bill cosby. >> that's it. >> end of story. >> and i -- that's calling a
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spade a spade. you just have to say it. putting the president in a tough position, and he took it. he took it and he said it. he didn't mince words. >> i mean it must have been quiet as can be in there. that was a moment. that was -- >> and that was a moment in -- that was a moment in for the room. and reports were out of the room that when she asked the question, there was just dead silence. >> hush. >> everybody froze. and they froze when he gave the answer, sort of like we did. because you're right, he just -- he called it like it was. and i think that puts an exclamation point on bill cosby's trial by public relations. he's lost it. and he's lost it for good. >> you know a lot of people have gotten caught up in this or in a bad position people close
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to him, people who obviously he is an icon a national figure a symbol, an example for so many african-americans, especially. but you know i think whoopi goldberg and a lot of people who are good friends with him really came out in his defense because they know him so well. and sometimes it takes a view from 20,000 feet like that literally, from the president of the united states to say, wait a minute, here's what we know. here's what he said and if you do this this is what it is. sorry. coming up on "morning joe," is it better to burn out than fade away? denis leary stars as an aging musician looking for a comeback of sorts in a new show about sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll and he joins the table. but first, rick perry has some big plans for redemption when it comes to the presidential debates. that is if he can get on the stage. the republican candidate joins us next on "morning joe."
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well mika we had an interesting break, didn't we? >> yeah wow. yes, we did. yes, we did. >> so donald trump called in. >> yes, he did. >> and he wants to present, i guess, what was it? the pepsi challenge, i guess. >> the trump challenge. >> a couple decades ago. this is the trump challenge. and he said he wants to bet a
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certain host on msnbc that came on and called him a liar -- >> lawrence. >> and said that if his salary is not certified to be correct, he will bet a year of his salary versus a year of said host's salary -- >> lawrence's. >> and if donald trump is not telling the truth about how much money he made off of "the apprentice" then he will give said host one year's salary. if he is telling the truth, then said host owes donald trump a year of his television salary. >> ooh, that's a challenge. that's a challenge. i wonder if he'll do it. what do you think, guys? >> i don't see how he could not. the courage of his convictions, the confidence that he's right. >> he believed in what he was saying. >> put it on the line. >> we'll see whoerizer erwho's going
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to put their money where their mouth is. >> that is something. all in. mark alpersonhalpern, that's quite a bet, a lot of money. >> i don't see how mr. trump could lie on the form he's filing, and if he files different numbers than they put in the press yesterday, that would be unwise. i would like them to double down and release their college transcripts as well. >> right now, it's a year's salary versus a year's salary and donald trump seems quite confident that he's going to make even more money off of this claim. >> okay joining us now, shall we move on? that's interesting. republican candidate for president and former governor of texas, rick perry. great to have you back on the show. >> good to be with you, mika thank you. >> what's it going to take to get you in these debates and
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what are you plans to sort of turn this campaign into a direction that will put you at the top of the pack? >> well everyone is starting to pay attention here. so we spent a lot of time in preparation, and building a good foundation in iowa new hampshire, south carolina. nationally we're starting to move up in the polls. i think that the focus on border security in particular is obviously good for us. nobody on that stage has the experience of dealing with the border, nobody had success with dealing with the border obviously. if they have no activity there. so the 14 years of being the chief executive of the 12th largest economy in the world, that's going to start really making a difference and i think we'll be on the stage and not only when we get on the stage we'll be able to lay out our very positive vision for this country, lay out the economic ideas that can get america back
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working. and late everybody's boat rise if you will. >> governor how frustrating is it for you that you were governor of one of the largest states in america for 14 years. john kasich, governor of one of the most important industrial swing states in america, and yet by the rules that are set forth right now by the party, you guys wouldn't be able to have a voice on the debate stage? how frustrating is that? >> well, we have a voice in the process. i mean, that's the more important part from my perspective. so rules are rules. i know how to play by the rules. and americans are paying attention to this process right now. and i feel very confident we'll be on the stage. >> mark halpern? >> governor i would like to ask you a couple questions about planned parenthood. there's a controversy that you have weighed in on. first, i would like you to say, does planned parenthood provide any services you think are valuable. if so, what are they?
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second, why are you so troubled by this video? >> well planned parenthood does give some services that i would suggest to you are good for women's health -- >> which ones governor? i'm sorry, just to be specific on that. >> i think some of the cancer screening, some of those types of screenings are obviously good for women's health. when you look at the overall picture of what they do they're in a business that the people of texas have a real concern about. and mark let me ask you. you looked at that video and you're good with it? >> i think the video raises a lot of questions, and you and others have raised them. >> it does indeed. i think you just answered the question for us. thank you. >> wait wait let's talk about the video a little bit. mark, give us the background, if you will before we move forward. we have been following this story and are actually going to get a guest on it. but mark halpern, the video obviously very troubling because you had a member of planned
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parenthood i guess, talking about what possible financial compensation for tissue donation from aborted fetuses and talking specifically about how they tear the fetuses apart so they can save this tissue for harvesting? you hate to say it this early in the morning, but taxpayers are paying for this type of service, mark. talk about this really quickly since you brought this up. >> look leave the politics aside for a second. there are obviously still a lot of ethical issues medical ethical issues still around from discussions we had back when president bush was in office on stem cell rurchsesearch and other things but the comments are troubling to many people not just republicans. and not just for knver perry. it's a partisan issue, not just a question of taxpayer issue,
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but the ethics of a national organization that has the responsibility to do what is right. this is a case where lots of people have to be involved in the debate, and governor perry have raised it so people can understand what is happening and debate whether it's the recognize thing for our society. >> also governor whether it's legal. what this office or the doctor high-ranking doctor for planned parenthood did, whether that's even legal. >> i think you bring up a very good point as well there on the legality of it. but listen from the standpoint of just ethics the standpoint of just right, i think all of us that are sensible thoughtful individuals, mark, i thought you described it in a very very pointed and correct way. this is an issue that i think, it's not politics. this is just about what's right. this is about what's legal. and i think we do need to have a
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conversation conversation, as hopefully honestly as we can, about what is going on at planned parenthood and is that a use of public moneys that should go forward? >> governor back to the issue we began with donald trump, immigration. he's raised that as an issue. you know it's ignited his candidacy to some extent. among other things he's said basely, you as governor of texas for 14 years didn't get the job done on securing the border. what do you have to say to that? >> donald trump needs a primer in whose responsibility it is to secure the border. that's a federal responsibility. that's a constitutional requirement. the state of texas intervened in a big way over the course of the last five or six years because of the impact that we were having from drug cartels,
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transnational gangs, from those who would be trafficking in the sexual trade. and we spent almost a billion dollars of texas taxpayers money. last summer, people were witness to my meeting with the president, became abuntedly clear to me that the president wasn't going to engage in assisting, i shouldn't say assisting, of directing this country to do its constitutional duty and secure that border with all of these un -- children showing up on the border and other individuals. literally, tens of thousands of people troy trying to cross the border. i ask our national guard, they volunteered upwards of 2,000. we sent 1,000 of those individuals there along with our texas ranger recon teams, our parks and wildlife wardens who wr literally in the river, and they had a positive impact 74% decrease during the summer through november on that portion
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of the border. 74% decrease. we know how to secure the border. it's boots on the ground personnel in the right places. it's strategic fencing, assets deployed. 1933-mile border looking down 24/7 analyzing what is going on, with quick response teams to come and impact the individuals who are involved in either illegal or inappropriate activities. that's how you secure the border. we know how to do it. it's the federal government's responsibility. i assure you, there will be the will in washington, d.c. it will reside in the white house to secure that border. >> michael steele. >> governor michael steele here. i want to jump to another topic that has also been driving the news lately. one of your opponents in the race, rand paul has had a strong voice on criminal justice reform. the president last week commuted the sentence of 46 felons and
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today, i believe, or some time this week will be sitting down with some felons in a prison visiting a federal prison. what is your take on criminal justice reform broadly speaking? if you have some specific ideas of how you would move that particular agenda forward, particularly for african-americans and hispanic men in this country who are most directly affected by the criminal justice system as it stands right now. >> well in the early '90s, we saw this huge building process going on of prisons, both at the state level, federal level ann richards was our governor, and bill clinton was the president of the united states. we saw bill clinton yesterday apologize for basically signing that piece of legislation that helped expand the federal row. we realized it was a problem in the state of texas in the early 2000s. and through a democrat district judge that i had conversations with, we started looking at and then in 2007 putting into place
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drug courts in texas, basically giving the judges the flexibility to be able to deal with these young people that were showing up nonviolent drug-related offenses that were filling up our prison. we were destroying young people's lives with these long prison sentences. and we decided we were going to address that in texas, and we did did. the result was last year there are been three prisons shut down over $2 billion saved in the state of texas. the state of texas was one of the real leaders on criminal justice reform. i think the president and his attorney general, mr. holder both recognize that that is the appropriate -- that's smart on crime. that's not just being -- we have been tough on crime in the state of texas. nobody gets confused about that but now we're very smart on crime. and we're seeing some very very positive impacts. and i think the president is correct in going forward with
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this. >> rick perry, thank you very much for being on the show. great to see you. come back soon sir. >> you're welcome, mika. >> still ahead, joe, i have a question for you. >> okay. >> yeah. just making sure you're paying attention. does a middle-aged cocaine snorting one-hit wonder have any chance of finding redemption? joe. >> well if he is played by denis leary, i think the answer is yes. >> it just might be. denis leary gives us a sneak preview of "sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll." he's next on morning joe.
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verizon, come home to a better network. the drop is declining? >> not in here. >> thigis [ bleep ]. >> i'm out of options. you won't play options that include cruise ships. you won't sing jingles. >> i'm an artist. >> an unbookable artist. >> you book a monkey that does balloon animals. >> his name is steve. >> steve stays, but i go?
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>> steve works. he's booked. you're 50, you're not famous and you won't let other people sing your songs. you know what that makes you? >> what? a bartender. >> we all get that talk. all right, that was a new look at the fx comedy "sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll." joining us new york city atheow, the star and creator of the show denis leary. >> is that a record? a press kit. it has all the information you need to know about the show. i think i can do this job. joe is not here. >> he is. >> but he's on the satellite, but i think i'm finding out, especially because you're wearing your glasses so i wore mine. i was reting the teleprompter, i think i can do this job. >> but your glasses are like from 1970 or something. >> yeah. >> oh. >> is that a problem. it's a throwback. it's like tony bennett wears this style except they're yellow. they're cool on tony bennett but
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not on me. i could never really be a rock star because i'm not cool? >> is want that the premise of your new show uh-huh segue. it's what i do. a guy who's struggling with a little bit of being a one-hit wonder from a long time ago. how does he do it? who is he? >> i play johnny rock the story of a rock band which of course is always a dysfunctional family, whether it's aerosmith or the rolling stones or a band you never heard of. so i'm a guy that blew it when he was 25 years old by using too much alcohol and too many drugs and now, alt age 50 he discovers he has a daughter who is talented who he didn't know about, and she has money. all of a sudden he's in love with her, and thinks this could be a way for him to get back in the business and survive. >> how much of this -- just your description, just then of the show, how much of this is rooted in you stumbling around the back bay in boston years ago, steven
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tyler living off bolston street and stuff like that? >> how did you know about that? >> come on. >> okay. i have a great story about -- in the old days a lot of my friends at emerson college in boston, a lot of my friends who were music student at the school dropped out and became members of fans some famous bands, jim carroll band the dell fuegos a great band out of boston the cars, who became world famous so i had access. i met and knew these guys. at the time in boston i lived in a horrible building which is probably now worth $75 million, across from the prudential center and i came home one night, at like 1978 and landing on the first floor, a walk-up, and i heard a guy screaming and ranting and raving and kicking a door in. when i turned the corner it was steven tyler dressed like steven tyler, who at that time was one of the biggest rock stars.
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there was a girl on the first floor, a clothing design named angel, she was beautiful. he's got scarves, crying and angry. i'm like, hey, and he's like, where's angel? i'm like, i don't know man. he starts kicking the door again. so how many years go by i meet steven tyler. i go hey, dude you probably don't remember this, but the first time i met you, he said i don't remember you, but i remember angel. sums up rock 'n' roll. >> perfect. so i'm going to have him do that. he just found out you play guitar, joe. i was talking to joe. >> where is he? >> he's in a bunker somewhere. >> i found out when you were bumping me there was a picture behind me like he was trying to upstage me of joe in like holding an acoustic guitar and playing, and the guys tells me he writes songs and records them. and he played with lyle love lt.
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if we get picked up for a second season, we might have to do a "morning joe." >> two out of three ain't bad. >> just booked you two together. >> i can play a burned out rock star. >> where are you? >> i'm in an undisclosed bunker in west virginia sitting next to dick cheney in case there's an accident, i'm actually -- i'll be on -- >> in case there's an accident you pull out the acoustic and play a beatles tune. is that what happens? >> i can do that as well. you said you could do this job. we're going to let you read prompter going to break. here's your big chance. >> start reading. >> ready, go. >> sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll. i slurred my words. >> three, two, one. >> my big shot. >> you're on your own. >> thanks joe. >> where are you going? >> i'm letting you do it. go just go. >> sex and drugs and rock and
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