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>> i have a lot of emotions about what happened yesterday. this is the event we've been most worried about and then it happened. i don't know how many more of these could but i can tell you there's isis investigations in all 50 states across the united states of america. they're permeating our society. >> brand new comments from the head of the house homeland security committee going way further than any other official we have heard from so far insisting what happened in tennessee has isis bryn all over it. good afternoon. i'm toure. the fbi's about to brief us with the very latest that they have learned. we'll take you to that news conference as soon as it starts. authorities are scrambleing to find answers. as you heard from chairman m mccaul, there's a strong suspicion it was an act of terror. according to to officials have told pete williams mohammad youssuf abdulazeez, a nationalized american citizen,
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not in a federal terrorism database. the 24-year-old's dui arrest back in april only run-in with the law. officials are locking into his travels through jordan last year for links to terrorism. start at the scene of the shooting with nbc's sarah dallof. this is a small and tight-knit community. how are they holding up? >> reporter: this is still a very active investigation with authorities on scene throughout the night and throughout today working around the clock to answer some very troubling questions. now, while that continues, the community is rallying behind the victims and families. the military and law enforcement. bringing flowers and american flags here to the scene leaving them at the base of the crime tape and call for blood donations. the police chief tells me that yesterday was both the saddest and the proudest day of his career. proud because of the response of
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law enforcement. he spoke of one officer who was at home when the call came through and offdity and put on his uniform and came down here to help. now, there is a vigil this morning at the university of tennessee at chattanooga. that is where the suspected shooter graduated in 2012 with a degree in electrical engineering. officials there saying they saw no red flags as a student to indicate any sort of behavior any sort of radicalization and another vigil planned for tonight at a baptist church all faiths and all members of the community are welcome. back to you guys. >> all right. sarah, thank you for that. for more on the investigation, let's turn to justice cent pete williams pete as we wait for the fbi briefing get us up to speed on what your sources are telling you. >> reporter: the electronic devices they have taken from his home and his car have been sent to the fbi's crime lab here. just got there a short time ago and takes a while but they still
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say they don't see a connection to terrorism. they're looking at the travel last year. he left in april. came back in november. they know he went to jordan. but he had both u.s. and jordanian passports so they don't know whether, for example, he went to yemen. that's a question they're trying to answer. those are the big issues they're looking at right now. they still say they don't find any connection to terrorism and we heard from michael mccaul at the beginning and you put it just right that he says it has isis all over it. he was careful to say after a briefing in florida he says his conclusion is that it probably was isis inspired and the thinking that he's expressed publicly is pretty much what officials are saying privately, which is, if you look at the timing, if you look at the targets, military targets, that is something that isis in their social media message has repeatedly urged people in the
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u.s. to attack. people in uniform, especially military facilities. so he's just sort of thinking out loud it looks to him like isis inspired and careful to say no one's reached that conclusion yet. >> thank you for that update. let's talk more now about what this horrific crime means for the war on terror. we have shane harris a future of war fellow at new america and author of "at war." we also have director of middle east and north africa analysis at flashpoint global partners. shane, we have been talking with pete and heard from michael m mccaul. there's back and forth about whether it has isis all over it. the house homeland security chair said we have isis potentially in the country. do you agree with the motion? >> that is what you're hearing from law enforcement officials but the question to ask is how firm are those conclusions?
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talking about the attack in chattanooga being isis inspired that's different from someone being directed by isis commanders in syria or in iraq and told what to do. if this individual took inspiration from isis that's a fairly aten waited kind of a connection there. nevertheless, i think chairman mccaul trying to get at the remarks emphasizing he's seeing the threat stream coming across and reaching a conclusion at least there are individuals out there that don't need to be necessarily told by isis what to do to take up arms and mount attacks like the ones that they have been seeing playing out in other places in france and areas like that. >> lathe, what's most unsettling as far as we know is there were no real warning signs. anyone that knew him, they say that they're totally shocked about this. that he was a very humble guy, that he was -- as they describe this all-american loved country music. this is a last thing they saw
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coming from him and as we have been reporting he was not on the terror watch list and makes you realize how difficult the job is today to catch a lone wolf before they do something to hurt people. this is a perfect example of that and probably the biggest challenge we face as a nation dealing with isis moving forward. >> absolutely. lone wolf attacks, isis inspired or otherwise are just absolutely impossible sometimes to foil for that matter. so, you know this is just following a trend of a number of lone wolf plots that some of them have actualized in a number of countries europe or the united states or around the world. certainly this is one of the most difficult times for any terror investigation to pin down the motive and go from there. it's very hard to intercept them before they happen. the unknown unknowns if you will. >> yeah. >> hey, shane, you know one of the things that surprised me the most is that early on in that initial press conference
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authorities said that this is being investigated as a case of domestic terrorism and clear about using that word. walk us through the initial assessment that made them realize this was domestic terrorism and all the implications that has with it. was it the identity of the shooter, the target? what led them to make that conclusion so early on before knowing the motivation? >> very good question. i'd like to have more answers from law enforcement maybe at the briefing this afternoon. but certainly, the fact that it was a military target that this person shot up a recruiting station and then also went to a navy center would be a first indication. there would also be a question of immediately trying to find out whether there was anything about him that produced hit to any known terrorist organizations and fairly quickly in the investigation they did find out that his father had been under fbi sort of monitoring in past years for possibly donating money to an organization affiliated with terrorism. so the when you get the target and the initial sort of
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connections playing out, that's sort of starts to raise the suspicion level. but it does also raise the question of whether or not law enforcement is too quick to come out and label something as domestic terrorism. remember, in the charleston shooting case there was a whole issue there about whether it was terrorism, whether it was not when it clearly seemed to be an act of terrorism by the act itself. you get into a little bit of politics i think of these situations here when you start choosing whether to put the label on it. but it does seem they at least in this case had a couple of indicators early on saying this is looking like pattern that we normally associate with something that we would definitely call terrorism. isis inspired or directed that's still an open question. >> yeah. hey, lathe, it's krystal ball here in phoenix. i was wonder quhag you made of the at least travel details that pete williams laying out that abdulazeez had two passports and made it hard to track exactly where he went while he was in the middle east. but officials are saying when he
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came back he appeared to be more devout, more religious than when he left. what do you make of those details? >> look. this case carries some of the hallmarks of previous cases that we have seen where a number of individuals travel to a number of countries in the middle east some of them did receive military training and others just went there for a visit and hard to ascertain where he traveled getting jordan crossed the borders legally or illegally somewhere. certainly, he did express more devout views returning from the trip from the middle east and could be a sign that he was becoming more religious for that matter but there is no indication whether he received any kind of mill about the training overseas or whether he was directed by isis or any other group to carry out such attack. >> lathe as abby was referencing, he seemed to to have been very americanized and spent time here. during his teenage years.
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seemed to be part of the fabric of america. does it surprise you if this is isis directed or inspired in some way, does it surprise you still their ability to attract truly americanized folks? >> absolutely. look. we saw the boston bomber's case you know a couple of years ago and, you know they were very americanized. they pretty much present the american life here. following that trend. a lot of individuals are being radicalize radicalized. it's by english speaking isis fighters who are very much on social media day by day commune katding with individuals who might express interest in the beginning and then later indoctrinated online so it does not surprise me. we have seen cases. again, it's a process. >> does it seem to you like a lot of young people find war sexy attractive historically. has it kind of like as much as
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the particular ideology of isis? >> just isis this is a part of it. also isis has, you know established this caliphate which is very romanticized euphoric term for many, many muslims around the world. it is a sense of belonging for many individuals around the world who feel like they fit in a society where they don't fit. and isis is customizing the propaganda to tell them you fit here. so we're seeing that happen and it's obviously escalating. >> all right. we have the fbi press conference starting now. gleets to that. >> good afternoon. thank you for coming. i'm joined here today by the sheriffs mayors district attorney lo congressionally and other statewide homeland security officials. first of all, my heartfelt
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condolences to the four marines who were killed yesterday. i'm joined on the stage by captain jason ballser of the united states marine corps. next to him, chief fred fletcher chief of police of chattanooga police department. next to him, steve jaredo special agent in charge of the alcohol, tobacco, firearm and then agent rhine hold for the eastern district of tennessee. i'm bill killian, united states attorney for the eastern district of tennessee. we wanted to relay to you details and be as transparent as we can be and what the law allows us to be. the active shooter situation is being treated as a terrorism
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investigation. it is being led by the fbi's joint frichlterrorism task force and we'll continue to investigate it as an act of terrorism until the proof shows us otherwise. we will let the facts and the evidence lead us where it may. the department of justice and the fbi, our local, state and federal partners are putting all the resources necessary toward this effort. we will not leave any stone unturned. for the victims of this heinous and cowardly act. i can tell you that we have one common goal. that is to protect the safety and the national security of our
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citizens and our people and this country. chattanooga police chief is here and he will detail some unquestionable acts of bravery and heroism exhibited by the chattanooga police department in the active shooter situation they found themselves. steve jaredo will detail the assets and resources of atf toward the investigation. and ed rhinehold will detail what he can of the joint terrorism task force-led investigation, the resources and personnel of the fbi and what they have dedicated to this. at that point, we will answer any questions that you have if we can answer them and i want to thank you in advance for
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understanding that we can't answer all questions. and are prohibited from actually answering some. first of all, i want to recognize captain jason balser with the united states marine corps. >> sir, thank you. good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. marine corps thanks the law enforcement and emergency personnel here in chattanooga for their response yesterday in sboo the chattanooga officials and community for their heartfelt support. we'll continue to assist the federal and chattanooga authorities in their investigation. most importantly, our thoughts prayers and support are with the families of our four deceased marines and with the wounded service men and police officer. we remain committed to being a part of the communities from which our marines come and to ensuring balance between the safety of our marines and remaining accessible to the nation. today.
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>> my heart and the hearts of the chattanooga police department go out to the u.s. marine corps and the families of their victims. for myself and the chattanooga police department, we offer our condolences and we say semperfi. i can talk to yobt a the bravery of police officers chattanooga police officers today so please indulge me. yesterday, chattanooga police officers stood ready to place themselves between harm and the community just like they do every day. when the call came out of a gunman police officers immediately responded and began searching for this cowardly and brutal person. yesterday was a breath taking example of that every day kournl. that every day bravery that can all too often be taken for granted. immediately after those reports of gun fire officers began
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searching and located the gunman driving down the highway. chattanooga police officers immediately began following and chasing that vehicle between the first and second locations. eventually officers encountered the suspect at the second location. that suspect soon made his intent, his cowardly homicidal intent clear. officers of the chattanooga police department did not hesitate. they engaged that person that gunman immediately, aggressively with the sole intent of making sure he harmed as few community members as possible. that assailant, that gunman struck one chattanooga police officer with gun fire. as he went down his teammates who were responding equally as aggressively came to his aid. they put their hands on him,
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dragged him from under the gun fire and bravely returned fire to ensure that he was safe and the gunman remained engaged. officers continued to return fire and engage the suspect even as officers from around the city began responding. members of my executive staff rushed out of police headquarters to the scene while the incident was unfolding. officers sitting at home threw on their uniforms rushed out the door came to the scene to aid their community and aid their fellow officers. as i have had a chance to talk to the officers as we debrief them, they recount their training their mentorship, but most importantly, their commitment to serve this community. they are all thankful for each other and the prooif ledge to serve this community.
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officers stand willing to risk their own lives for others. they did the day before yesterday. they did yesterday with breath taking clarity. and they do today and tomorrow. there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that chattanooga police officers prevented loss of life yesterday. chattanooga police officers proved themselves in every sense of the word heroes. they are my heroes. i have never been broader to be a police officer than i was yesterday and today. i am extremely proud to be a chattanooga police officer. today as yesterday chattanooga police officers stand ready day and night to face down evil to face down violence and to do it on behalf of their beloved chattanooga. on behalf of them we thank you for the privilege to serve. thank you.
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>> good afternoon. on behalf of the men and women of atf, i would like to express my sincere condolences to the united states marine corps. as it regarding atf, as pertains to what we have been doing along with our federal partners and cpd, atf conducted urgent firearms traces and results have been relayed to the investigative team. atf provided investigative and intelligence resources to augment investigation. several agents from our birmingham office from our knoxville office from our nashville office have responded, as well as our intelligence research specialist, are here and present. and working in a collaborative effort with all of our partners here on the stage today. we are committed to work as a team and to be here and like the united states attorney killian said we'll spare no expense in
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making sure we bring this case to closure for the american people. thank you. >> good afternoon. welcome back. first on behalf of the fbi and director of the fbi and the men and women who serve in the fbi, and our law enforcement partners, i too want to extend sympathies to the united states marine corps and the families of those lost who lost their loved ones in yesterday's horrific shootings. it is difficult to find the words to express how sorry we are at your loss. now i would like to provide you with a quick update since our last press conference late yesterday evening. this matter continues to be investigated as an act of terrorism by the fbi's knoxville joint terrorism task force with the chattanooga police department and our federal, state and local partners. because the investigation is
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still in its early stages, it would be premature to speculate on why the shooter did what he did. however, we are conducting an investigation to determine whether this person acted alone. was inspired or directed and we'll exhaust all efforts to determine why and how this horrible act happened. because this is an ongoing investigation we are somewhat limited what we can discuss but as i speak personnel from the fbi, atf, hsi, troopers from the tennessee highway patrol chattanooga police officers and hamilton county sheriff's deputies with other law enforcement throughout the state of tennessee and this nation are covering leads that are coming into our command centerment some of those agents are part of the evidence response teams. who are highly trained in crime scene processing. they continue to meticulous document evidence located at the crime scenes, teams from
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knoxville, atlanta and along with trajectory experts of fbi laboratory are working on both scenes. fbi agents are partnering with state and locals to run down every lead that we have received. thus far, we have covered approximately 70 leads and as our team continues to develop additional information you may see or hear about fbi activity in other areas of the state and nation. victim witness specialists from the united states attorney's office and fbi are assisting the families of the victims. if you have any information about the alleged shooter, mohammad youssuf abdulazeez and you haven't spoken -- we haven't spoken to you, please call 865-602-7582. no amount of information is too small or insignificant. at this time we'll open the floor to questions. please state your question loudly. i ask that you please tell me
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what -- where you're coming from which news agency and lastly, if the question is not for me please indicate who the question is for. we'll start right over here. [ inaudible ] >> can you talk about the weapons he had in his possession and fired? we're hearing he had an ak-47. >> i'm not going to go into specifics of what type of weapons he had. i will tell you that he did have at least two long guns. which would be considered rifles or shotguns. and he did have one handgun that we're aware of. yes, sir? >> with cnn, were the guns purchased legally? have you been able to determine that? >> again, we -- we are continuing to explore those possibilities. some of the weapons were purchased legally and some of them may not have been. we will examine that. yes, ma'am? >> since this is now considered an act of terrorism, do you -- to the area and be concerned?
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>> okay. let me clarify your statement. and the question and i probably need to repeat the questions. i think the question is since it's classified as an act of terrorism is there any concern for others in the community. we have not classified as an act of terrorism. what we have decided or what we have determined is that we'll treat it as an act of terrorism until it is determined one way or another as to whether it was an act of terrorism or some other criminal event. we don't believe anyone else is in danger in the chattanooga community. we continue to explore all options as far as other individuals who may or may not be involved. however, at this point, we do not believe there's threat to anyone in the chattanooga area. yes, sir? >> two questions. one for you and the u.s. attorney. for the u.s. attorney yesterday you said you considered this to be treated as an act of domestic
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terrorism. today you left that word out. domestic. is there a reason for that? and do you want me to wait? >> well let me address that first. i think i also said yesterday don't get caught up in monikers. this is an investigation of terrorism. that investigations of terrorism are at an intense and higher level than they normal criminal investigation. and so if you investigate it as terrorism and it ends up being a simple criminal act, then you've done more extensive investigation than you needed to. if you investigate it as a criminal act and it becomes terrorism, you may have neglected the perform some investigation. we're investigating it at the highest level of investigation. and i wouldn't get caught up in
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monikers about whether it's domestic, international, this that. it's a terrorism investigation. >> question just to address the fbi, also the local police you gave us a little bit of information about -- the second location. can you give us anymore information, not about motive or anything like that but about what happened there? did he -- where was he confronted? when was he confronted? had he already shot people before he was confronted? those type of details. >> we are still trying to figure all of that out to be honest with you. we are just beginning to process that scene. we brought in a lot of special equipment in order to process it thoroughly. we have to look at trajectory. we have to look at shell casings. we have to look at impact of where the rounds went. so it is our belief shortly after he arrived he was engaged by chattanooga police officers.
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so -- but he was a moving target. and he was able to obviously kill these four marines. and wound the one sailor. yes, sir? >> following up with jim's question. where was the suspect finally cornered and where was the suspect finally cornered? in the park outside that building? and where exactly were the marines slain? inside the facility? in the parking lot outside? you see the car rammed into a green fence. can you help us in that please? >> the subject never left the confines of the military reserve. so he never went outside the fence once he gained entry into the facility. he was killed inside of the fence area. all the marines were killed inside the fence, as well. and i'm not going to go further
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into detail as to exactly where they were located because that's part of the evidence we may or may not use in trial. yes, sir? >> what can you tell us about the suspect's foreign travel? [ inaudible ] >> only we are looking at any foreign travel he may have performed. we know that he has traveled outside of the united states. we have -- we are exploring all travel he's done and we have asked our intelligence partners throughout the world to provide us with any information they may have concerning his travel and or activities while overseas. >> what are you watching about his travel? >> i won't go into great detail of an attempt not to hinder our partners overseas from being able to conduct their portion of the investigation. yes, ma'am? >> did police kill the suspect?
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did he kill himself or how that was done? >> we have no indication -- the question was if you didn't hear was did the police kill the suspect or did he kill himself? all inld cases are that he was killed by fire from the chattanooga police officers. we have no indication that there was any self inflicted wounds. however, we will examine that to ensure that that's the case. yes, sir? >> joseph london can you talk a little bit about the weapons he had, can tell us whether or not he had any protective gear or body armor on his person? >> yes. i can tell you and the question was, was he wearing body armor? no he was not. he was wearing a load bearing vest. meaning that it was a vest that he was able to carry additional magazines of ammunition while he moved around on foot. yes, ma'am? >>. [ inaudible ] was he -- was the suspect wounded multiple times and where
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were the wounds? >> again, we have not completed an autopsy on the individual so i don't want to speculate as to when and where he was hit. obviously, there were sufficient injuries to him to eliminate the threat to other service members and personnel in the area. yes, sir? >> jeremy redman with the atlanta journal constitution. to what extent is the use of social media, writing on blogs as something you're putting at as part of the investigation? >> that microphone, it went in and out on me. are we exploring his yugs of social media? >> particularly his blog writing. >> blogging or whatever. >> yeah. >> we will look at every possible aspect to include his use of social media. we obviously want the know what his thoughts were and or who else he was associating with at
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the time. yes, ma'am? >> update on the other victims' condition? >> because of a hippa concerns, i won't discuss the condition of any of the other survivors at this time. yes, sir? >> kind of a follow-up question. can you talk to us at all about the other victims? you talked about the police officer injured. when about the other two that survived survived? >> i believe gunshot wounds, as well. >> to the victim? >> to the other wounded? injured. >> that's our understanding is that there were gunshots wounds and that can be misleading. >> yes, sir? >> how many police officers were engaged in the fire fight? >> at this time we won't discuss the number of officers involved. obviously, it was a massive response by the chattanooga
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police department. and let me reiterate the bravery of these officers. it is apparently by looking at the crime scene and what we have seen so far the officers were under a tremendous amount of gun fire from this individual and yet they continued to move forward against this target and engage him. and eliminate that threat saving numerous lives throughout this community. >> in the back with the camera. >> chief -- can you talk about the -- your officers had? were they small arms or any of them equipped with assault weapons to attack this subject? >> yeah absolutely. all patrol officers in chattanooga are armed with a duty weapon a side arm which is exactly like the one i'm wearing right now. it is a 45 hello caliber semiautomatic pistol and a patrol rifle which is a 5.56 millimeter ar-15 type or comparable patrol rifle. >> in the back with the cam are.
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>> can you talk about -- the type of fire fight they encountered? >> significant. it was clear that this gunman had every intent to encounter and to murder police officers if he needed to. >> agent rhinehold? in back with the camera. >> yes, sir. >> a question. eric from channel 12. about two hours ago the chairman from the homeland security gave a presser at mcdill air force base which is central command. during that presser he said that the shooter from what he understood is inspired by isis. are you confirms that this was an isis inspired shooting? >> no. we are not confirming that. what we are saying is that that is a possibility that we'll explore just like any possibility. at this time we have no indication that he was inspired by or directed by anyone other
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than himself. in the back with the white shirt? >> cnn, our cameras captured a woman escorted out of the suspect's home. can you give us details? >> she was not arrested. the individual escorted out of the home as a matter of precaution is handcuffed. we do that whenever we make entry into a location. for officer safety. once it was determined that the scene was secure and she was not a threat then she was unhandcuffed and taken care of. all the way in the back with the white shirt. [ inaudible ] >> okay. the question is looking at the e-mail e-mails, have we determined if he's contacted any foreign countries. i will not go into details of evidence. i'm not in a position to answer that at this time. i will say we are exploringsit to
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include any contacts overseas. i'll take about two more questions. >> sir, cbs news. you talked about mr. abdulazeez traveling outside the united states. was that within the last year two years? also this question is for chief fletcher. have you spoken to officer petigo and can you tell us his state of mind or how he's doing today? >> as far as the travel we're exploring when and where he traveled. i don't want to did into too much travel. until our partners overseas have an opportunity to conduct their portion of the investigation. chief, you want to -- >> sure. thank you for your concern. i have spoken directly to all of the officers involved this incident. i have spoken to many of the families and found speaking with the victims. they're all doing very very well. they have the support of their police department. the support of their city. the support of their community
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and what i'm learning support of this entire country. we thank you very much for that. they're doing very very well. again, i applaud their bravery. thank you for the question. >> thank you all very much. >> all right. thanks, everybody. that will conclude the press conference for today. this is the only press conference we have planned. >> you have been listening to a range of law enforcement officials giving us an update on the investigation into that horrific shooting that happened yesterday in chattanooga that of course, left four marines dead and several others wounded. a few thing that is we learned from the press conference, both the u.s. attorney and the fbi special agent in charge confirming that this is an investigation into terrorism. so we learned that. we also learned that they're pursuing about 70 leads. and we got some pretty harrowing details from the chattanooga police chief about the incredible bravery that the police officers exercised and were able to limit the loss of
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life there. i want to bring in retired navy commander a senior naval analyst at the institute for the study of war. nice to have you with us, chris. >> thank you for having me. i'm sorry to be under these circumstances. 30 years ago i was a 17-year-old marine and breaks my heart to see them die under these circumstances. >> it is a heart breaking story. these men just trying to do their jobs there in the community. and, chris, i wanted to get your reaction to that press conference we were just listening to and also if you could help us understand what it means that this is being investigated as an act of terrorism. >> well, first off, i love the way that press conference went out showing that it takes a multi-organizational approach to defeat the lone wolf shooters. there's no way to predict or prevent guys like this. you have to see the intelligence community, federal law enforcement, active duty military come together work together seamlessly to execute a thorough investigation. and i believe it was the police chief or the fbi special agent
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in charge said there's no downside to declaring this an act of terrorism up front and investigating it as an act of terrorism. then we'll know the full tori. i'm interesting to see whether or not mr. abdulazeez self selected or radicalized by external elements. a quick example what i mean by that. in isis you see the 12 and 13-year-old boys who were being raised as call fat cubs. it is no different than hitler youth. boys who were born into that situation, raised in that situation, who are conditioned to be radicalized, there's no real offramp for them. for a guy like this mr. abdulazeez, i don't know if he self selected into this life or if someone convinced him to take him into it. that's the most interesting aspect. it looks like he self selected. he looked to be a model american immigrant.
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he got an education, got a job. it's what you want to see people do and took a bad turn. i believe that he self selected but i have no real evidenceary basis for that. >> whenever something like this happens, it leaves the country on high alert, especially at military facilities. our nbc affiliate in boston has warned their police officers warned of the possibility of a copycat situation and chicago. talk to us about how military facilities should be responding to this right now and proactively thinking about this and just the country in general when this happens in terms of a copycat situation. >> sure. two comments. first, i don't want to be callous and rather have lone wolf shooters after millitary than the citizens. there is nothing good about terrorism and glad that he went after military personnel than random civilians. may be a cold-hearted analyst
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but a marine a veteran, i'd rather him come after us than the shopping centers. second thing on this is if if an active shooter scenario develops on a military base the's all kinds of procedures and plans in place, there's a lot of different ways to react to that. and to me one of the interesting aspects of this is how active duty military and local law enforcement have to work together. my final job is base operations officer at naval air state north island and spent an extraordinary amount of time between the navy and local police, san diego police department coronado police department the make sure we knew how to coordinate for the same communication norms and could talk to us on the radios coordinate events. right now what you will see is military bases on a higher state of alert. in a state of preparation. but still going about their normal business to the best extent possible. >> chris what we saw yesterday was an attack on two separate targets. we learned in that presser he had at least three guns a
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handgun and two long guns. we were told. so two attacks. a few miles apart. multiple weapons. it seems there was some intelligence, some forethought on where to go and after the first one, where to go for the second attack. it sounds like a military assault with a lot of preparation. and some sort of military intelligence behind where he was going to go and do. >> yeah. obviously, this guy planned it out. he'd driven the route before. he could not have driven it at high speed with police following him unless there was a planning session and driven it a couple of times. i think what we saw and i don't have any evidence but looks like a hesitation attack on the first target. he went in there. he sat in the car and didn't get out and didn't stalk down people which is what you want to do trying to kill people. he drives up to the strip mall takes off. to me that indicates that maybe there was hesitation on the first one. once he was committed to the problem, he proceeded to a
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secondary target. that's where he got the hard kills. the second thing to point out is nobody wants to hear this right now. but the fact that isis and al qaeda if this is an isis or al qaeda linked event are unleashing lone wolf shooters is not a sign of strength on their part but weakness. sign of strength is getting off a spectacular attack like 9/11 and drop the world trade centers. spectacular is a shopping mall in kenya and kills dozens of civilians people. civilian targets. when you have a lone wolf shooter, what that says to me is organizationally they lost the iblt or foregoing the ability for organized attacks in the united states. the japanese didn't use cam kakamikazi kamikazis in world war ii until they were well into losing. this is weakness, not strength. it's a spectacular impact in that sense it's terrorism. that's ma they're trying to get to but it's weakness not
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organizational strength. >> one of the things lathe, jumped out to me was the notion that so far it seems that he's acted alone. they're doing an audit of the social media connections. you spent a lot of time going online and investigating these kinds of traces if you will between what's happening overseas and folks back here in the united states. what are they going through to determine his connections and are these potential individuals, these lone wolf attacks becoming better at masking the identity online and hiding the trace of communications overseas? >> anybody who spends an amount of time online that can become a sign of what they think about. if you're on google searches, it is a reflection of what you think about, looking for. if you're interacting with certain individuals online via a certain platform and they have proven or suspected of being terrorists or terrorist supporters then that creates a
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link and shows that the individual is trying to make connection with the individuals. but, you know i think there's a larger plot here where the investigator vs to go through the hard drives and see if there's a terrorist propaganda there. what it means and so on and to ort and takes many many many weeks of investigation. dissect every single piece of information on his hard drives social media and so on for a better picture. in regards to encrypted social networking platforms, a number of individuals with isis and other groups are utilizing encrypted live instant messenger messengers like sure spot and other encrypted communication software so this is rampant in the ranks of isis and other groups. they know that it's absolutely effective to use these tools tomasing identities and in the end try to indoctrinate individuals at home and they know they're under scrutiny and need to communicate on the
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platforms. >> shane you know in the press conference the fbi special agent in charge refused to say whether they determined it was an isis inspired attack. but the details certainly make it look that way. as we think about this and as we think about our response from a security perspective, does it matter whether it was isis inspired or directed by isis? >> -- my immediate thought on that is probably not. i mean, i like kris chris's point if this is isis directed and just paul off these, you know terrible but small casualty events that's not sign of great strength but when you read his blog post we believe attributed to him, here's somebody expressing the anxious and frustration that a lot of people in the early 20s express. there's nothing particularly unusual in some of the things he said about his frustration with his life his career where things were going.
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but then when somebody decides then to take up weapons and go kill as many people as possible you can't really prevent that and how he gets to that point, isis directed or inspired is a consequential matter to me. >> right. gentlemen, shane, lathe, chris, thank you all so much for your time today. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks. and right after the break, today's other big developing story. new fallout on the iran nuke deal. have we just helped deepen an already deadly divide in the middle east? that's next. aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again, with aleve pm.
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one major criticism of the iran deal is it could bolster iran's influence in the region. and that is some of the biggest rivals to iran on edge. defense chief ash carter will try to calm the waters next week. as it stands iran can start buying and selling conventional weapons in just five years. stoking flames that they will be able to ramp up and build its military after years of sanctions. and it will also gain access to nearly 100 billion dollars in frozen overseas assets and 20 billion a year in potential oil sales. with influx in cash and arms there is potential all of this could be funneled into the iran's other conflict zones.
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and it all falls back to the sectarian divide across the region between iran which is shia majority and saudi arabia which is sunni majority. both have been jostling for regional political influence for decades. i want to start by asking about this particular deal and all the criticism that is surrounding the return of iran's influence across the region. do you believe that iran now and that the u.s. administration is looking at iran as part of the solution or possible solutions in so many of these conflict zones as opposed to be the central problem of the region? >> i think the u.s. administration has been seeing it that way for some time now. if we just look at the world beyond the mideast. what do we see? we see a euro zone in danger of fragmenting. we see russia trying to undercut a growing u.s. military presence in europe. china taking full advantage of
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u.s. military distractions to extend its presence in the south china sea. there are bigger problems for the u.s. to tend to and it can't deal with the those issues if it has the threat of military operation in the persian gulf. and it has to remove that contingency as best it can to focus on a wider set of issues. the u.s. has a lot of common interest with iran in the region. iran wants to eliminate i.s. as much as the united states does. we see proxies on the ground taking the lead in the ground defensive in iraq with u.s. close air support behind it. so we already see this working relationship in play. even in syria there is going to need to be some sort of power sharing arrangement at some point. iran would be part of that. one way or another. >> so i think from the u.s. standpoint this is something that's been internalized for some period of time. >> since 2007 iran's neighbors
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have changed their mind in terms of how they feel about iran? the research is fascinating. 8% jordanians view them favorably. 17% of turks. even among the palestinians, that is 57% of them hold negative views of iran. what is going here in sumpch a short period of time their neighbors really clearly don't like iran. >> i think it is nature of the competition. as you noted earlier there is a perception in the region that as iran economically rehabilitates it is going to have a lot more leverage to support its militant proxies and threaten a lot of these still very vulnerable countries from within. kuwait in particular is extremely concerned about that. saudi arabia has always been
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obsessed with this threat. particularly when it comes to its eastern province when you have shia population in close proximity to oil sites. and naturally that is a real concern that a lot of the region is going to be responding to. so think we have to keep nit perspective. iran saw a big rise in influence after the fall of saddam hues hussein. this is going to be the period still where iran is struggling to recover those gains. accelerating the momentum behind the sunni powers in the region. turkey saudi arabia jordan, qatar qatar. all of these sunni powers who are basically seeing the need to take powers into their own hands and keep a close check on iran. that is in the u.s. interest to see the regional players taking more of a role in the region and basically enacting some sort of balance. >> and the u.s. administration
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is quick to say we still have a lot of issues with iran. this deal seeks to solve one limited problem. but do you see a future in which the u.s. and iran do collaborate more directly? >> absolutely. and again we are already there. we see collaboration in iraq even if it is not extremely overt. extremely direct. negotiations are starting in very preliminary stages amongst syrian rebel factions. trying to figure out whose ready for a deal. so yes there is plenty more room for cooperations especially in energy but we already see many examples of this. >> thanks so much for being with us. and lots happening this friday afternoon. keep it here. "now" with alex wagner after the break.
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donald trump tops his republican rivals in another national poll. for the first time the entire democratic field is converging on one event in iowa. and the fbi's investigation of a black lives matter activist found tell in a texas jail cell. first more about the deadly shooting spree? tennessee. friday, july 17th and this is now. >> you have literally a state in mourning right now. mississippi. >> police say a gunmen never left his convertible as he fired at least 25 rounds into this military


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