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he certainly is at the top of the field in the republican field. being talked about more than everybody else. >> we're going to be talking about that and talking to senator john mccain himself. we have the editor of bloom politics john heilemann and nbc political analyst and professor at the university school of public polly, harold ford jr. >> good morning. >> in london we have washington anchor for bbc world news america katy kay. and on capitol hill "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. we'll start right there. donald trump not apologizing. it was the buzz of the political world over the weekend. if you haven't heard the comments yet, here's what he said at a summit for voters in
iowa. >> john mccain goes oh, boy, trump makes my life difficult. he had 15,000 crazies show up. crazies. he called them all crazy. these people if you would have seen these people i know what a crazy s i know all about crazies. so he insulted me and everybody in that room. somebody should run against john mccain who has been in my opinion not so hot. i supported him for president. i supported him. he lost. he let us down. you know, he lost. i never liked him as much after. that i don't like losers. he's a war hero. he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. i hate to tell you. he's a war hero because he was captured.
he said a lot of bad things about a lot of people. if somebody is captured they're a hero. unless they're a trader like burkelike him. why you would say people who don't get captured? it's a simple question? >> oh, i do. why? the people that don't get captured i'm not supposed to like? i like the people that did not get captured. >> why do you say that in the context of john mccain? >> excuse me. i like the people that don't get captured. you have many people that did not get captured. i respect them greatly. you have people that got captured i respect them greatly also. >> okay. >> so, mika the it's very obvious if you look at this in context that donald trump was asked a question by frank lawrence, the moderator of that
event. and he resorted to a low brow joke. it was al franken joke. he said the same thing. i respect a war hero is not somebody that gets captured. al franken is somebody who does not get captured. as far as i'm concerned, he set out the war. despicable joke. and donald joke was a dpikable joke. you had donald saying three or four times afterwards that he was a hero. >> right. >> but in this case in this case he needs to make -- okay this is -- they're just putting up what al franken said. >> i don't buy the war hero thing, anybody can be captured. i thought the idea what to capture them. that was in 2000 when john mccain was running for president the first time. obviously, the stakes much higher here. he's a man who refused to go
home when the communists wanted to send him home. he refused to leave buddies behind. even if you have a lot of differences with him. i think this is emblematic of a bigger problem of donald trump still going around saying things that you would say if you were in the back of the pack instead of the front of the pack. if he wants to win, if he wants to play for the long run, he's got to stop making these type of mistakes. he needs to come out with a clear apology fast. he's not doing that. >> yeah i think it could be permanent damage if he doesn't apologize. willie? >> well hasn't apologized. he wrote an oh-ed saying he see noes reason to apologize.
the fact that he gave up his turn to be released because he thought other people should be released before him. but everyone knows that part of the story. we'll talk to mccain. i guess the question is is this donald trump in a nutshell john heilemann? is this him shooting from the hip and never apologizing which got him very far in life but may stop him here? >> yes. and yes. and also yes. probably the bigger issue, bigger dynamic that is unleashed is it has now freed -- to whatever extent there were people afraid to criticize john mccain or criticize donald trump this has given everyone free reign. everyone who is now wants to attack him, was maybe tiptoeing around it has license to come forward. we saw that over the weekend. only a few people like ted cruz not attacking donald trump. seven piling on. i don't know whether the apology
at this point. i don't know that he knows those words, i'm sorry. i don't know that that will turn the tide because this is the moment where now all the republican party says fair game. >> the only reason i think it could is because it's so stunning from him. but as you said and it is the moment that republican candidates and any trump opponent has been waiting for, the reaction from fellow republican candidates was swift and furious. >> at a minimum, he needs to apologize. i think what he does next is up to the voters. he needs to apologize and refrain from comments like that. >> he needs torefuses to do that. >> i think people need to push him. some of those in america and those that have been supporters of his. >> somehow makes the assumption or he's saying that somehow if you're captured in battle you're less worthy of honors than someone who isn't, it's not just
absurd, it's offensive, it's ridiculous. i do think it is a disqualifier as commander in chief. early in his command when he said something outrageous people kind of said just ignore it, move on. it will go away. this is what he does for a living. i think now this has gone forward and he's become a more covered candidate and people pay more attention to him, it's retired required to be more forceful. >> the good people of iowa the good people of new hampshire and the good people of south carolina are going to figure this out. and here's what i think they're going to say. donald trump, you're fired. >> harold ford do you agree with lindsey gram? >> i think lindsey may be on to something. everybody said it well this morning. one thing that could be added is that entire process, donald trump is making a mockery of perhaps the most important exercise i think all of politics around the globe, certainly the
most important exercise in american politics. that being the run for the presidency. at a time in which the world is focused on what is happening in greece, perhaps what is happening in iran oushgs economy, income inequality. mr. trump said from the outset he would be the greatest jobs creator in the history of america if he was elected president. i'm curious to hear what the ideas are. probably not inclined to vote for him from the beginning but certainly after all these comments, then you add the comments obviously about john mccain, it's all been said this morning. even president obama who defeated senator mccain '08 continues to point to him and point to his service in this -- in the highest of ways. i hope walker is right and more and more republicans and even some who are not in the race will come forward and challenge and criticize mr. trump for those awful and despicable comments. >> we shall see. i personally think that those who are asking him to get out of the race are suggesting he get
out of the race or be driven from the race. i think that they're whistling past the graveyard. i don't think that's going to happen. jeremy peters, you were following donald trump last weekend in new hampshire. i can guarantee you, because i talked to people in new hampshire this weekend. i talked to people that supported trump after these statements and basically saying what do you think now? they just rolled their eyes and they're like he needs to keep his mouth shut. but other than that nobody is running into the streets with their hair on fire. >> donald trump is one of the most unique political characters in our system right now. his appeal is not unique. you're right joe. the resonance he has with voters is he is blunt spoken. he's not politically correct. he tells it like it is. that applies to a lot of these leaders who sprouted up and kind of taken charge or stood at the head of the conservatives who are looking for somebody to kind
of have the fight, take -- you know, take the fight to the establishment. it's a matter of time before somebody comes along and fills this void. it won't be donald trump for of longer. >> the condemnation dntz come early enough for hillary clinton who addressed trump in her speech in arkansas on saturday night. >> yes, donald trump finally a candidate whose hair gets more attention than mine. but there's nothing funny about the hate he is spewing at immigrants and their families and now the insults he's directed at a genuine war hero, senator john mccain. it's shameful and so is the fact that it took so long for most of his fellow republican candidates to start standing up to him.
the sad truth is if you look at many of their policies it can be hard to tell the difference. >> do you think hillary clinton ever thought there would be a day where she would have to with a straight face criticize donald trum trump in a presidential campaign and now broadens it to a republican attack as well? >> every now and again in american politics you can think back to the last cycle and herman cain, somebody comes along who gets a lot of media attention for a long time but who most of us in our heart of hearts thinks is never going to really be a serious presidential candidate and donald trump, as leader of the free world, the world's biggest economy, the world's biggest military the things that he's said disqualify him from holding that position with any seriousness. and i think hillary clinton is right on this one. the depressing thing is that it took the criticism of john mccain as a war hero in a sense to give the other republican
candidates a free pass to round on him. they didn't do it. he was saying equally despicable things about mexican immigrants and now they are. i think she's right to call out the republican field on this one. for having taken him so seriously and having not criticized him earlier. so mika how do i do this without people saying terrible terrible things about me. because you know when they say terrible terrible things about me, it just ruins my whole day. >> you get so upset. >> i do. oh, wait no it doesn't. i'll just say it. let's say -- okay, so let's say i were john madden and talking about a football coach that everybody hated who did something despicable on the sidelines but it was a football coach that everybody hated and always said really bad things about him anyway. and then all of them had press
conferences afterward saying he's going to be fired. he must be fired. i was -- as john madden would roll my eyes and say, you know what? lots of luck firing him. this guy knows how to win. i got to say, what donald trump said about john mccain is despicable. what donald trump said about mexicans being rapists was despicable. and donald trump is in first place. we talked about this last week. the rules that apply to everybody else doesn't apply to him and when you have all of the old order from jeb bush to hillary clinton to all these people that want to be president of the united states attacking donald trump, all that does is reinforce donald trump's strength. now when veterans organizations come out front a bit more aggressively, which they've started to i think that's different. but hillary clinton attacking donald trump is not going to hurt donald trump. and us sitting around the table
talking about how damaged donald trump is not going to hurt donald trump. but i do think a series of these over time at the end of the day are going to hurt donald trump. john mccain, if you took all these people that are defending john mccain and cobble together the nasty, nasty things they've all said about john mccain through the years except for lindsey graham it would look pretty funny. >> but nobody ever challenged his military record. >> what's that? >> here's the thing -- >> wait who said that? >> i did, joe. i said no one ever challenged his military record. the criticism has been politics and perhaps stances but i don't know anyone challenged whether or not him be captured or not qualified him for honors willie said earlier being a war hero. >> well -- >> disqualify him, i should say. >> actually al franken did when john mccain was running for president. but he's a liberal. so it doesn't matter.
>> i got you. fair enough. >> no. >> he's not running for president. >> he said it. >> no. but he ran for senate. how disqualifying was it after all? i think, again, trump has to get out and apologize for this despicable statement. there, i said despicable statement again for about the 15th time. i'm just simply saying for people saying this is the end of trump's presidential campaign, they're living in a very little bubble. >> yeah. i think we're getting too deep in the weeds over this. it's obviously a bad thing to say. if you look at hillary clinton whashgz going what's going to last for her is she can say great things about john mccain and she can work with john mccain. donald trump should apologize because he needs to show that sometimes what he said is a little bit off the mark he can do that. he can show that he can work
with people when he goes to washington. >> his own party as a start. >> he's missing a huge opportunity here. it's a little bit lost on me how he's missing this. it's completely lost on me. but anyway you want to talk about it more. i think we're done. go ahead, john heilemann. >> except john heilemann, one point, he says to his critics i supported hillary clinton when i was in new york. and i was a democrat when i was in new york because i had to be to get things done. well if he wants to be president of the united states he better know how to work with john mccain. it's one thing to call everybody stupid and on a general level in washington, d.c. it's quite another to openly insult one of the most powerful on capitol hill in the united states senate. and at some point, he's going to have figure out how to get along with these people if he wants to tell voters he can change d.c. >> well that, is certainly true. i just say to make reference to something you just commented on in passing, can't win the republican nomination if vet
ronz don't veterans don't like you. there's not a way to do that in the republican party. as a matter of political i.q. the thing that trump has done here is really problematic if he wants to be a serious contender. again, can't win it if veterans don't respect you. this is the kind of thing that is going to get a lot of veterans upset at donald trump. >> all right. by the way, over the weekend record crowds for candidate ever for bernie sanders. just saying. still ahead on "morning joe," senator john mccain joins us exclusively here on set. we'll get his reaction to that ugly turn in republican presidential politics. plus, uber hits the airwaves for the latest attack against new york city mayor bill diblasio and the mayor responds. why the battle won't likely end any time soon. also ahead, new details emerge from a decade old deposition by bill cosby. did you read this? >> yes. >> disturbing. >> it's over. how far -- like we didn't know
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discussed a number of encounters including taking a 19-year-old, the aspiring model who sent him a poem back to his couch, cosby also acknowledged obtaining qua lewd ludes for the purpose of having sex with women. at kuz he claims he never gave her anything stronger than a ben drill but she believes it ways more powerful drug. he made it clear he was not in love with his accuser saying it was plain sex. we were playing, petting. at times one of the attorneys suing him confronted the comedian on his tone. i think you're making light of a very serious situation, she said. cosby replied, that may very well be. and in the deposition cosby got into the lengths he would go to keep stories from getting out, shutting down a magazine article and channeling money through his agent to a woman so his wife
would not find out. nbc news has reached out to cosby's representative but has not received any comments about the deposition number charges were ever filed against cosby and he denied past allegation onz any wrongdoing. he settled out of court with the accuser in the case in 20006. joe? >> you know willie mika had said before that this really does pull to an end any questions about what his mo was with young women and drugs. there are a few defenders still out there. whoopi goldberg our friend whoopi goldberg who says you're innocent until proven guilty certainly looks like -- it certainly looks like his own words if past depositions under oath are proving him guilty. >> yeah. and whoopi goldberg since then
started to change her tune a little bit f you're on the fence about bill cosby, whether or not he was involved in all of this do yourself the favor of reading this "new york times" piece. as you say, joe, they are his words. it's him saying out loud he paid women, he drugged women, he did all these things that he, in fact asked one young woman about her parent having cancer only so he could have sex with her at some point. there is no way now to look at all this to hear all the cases and not conclude he was involved in something horrible over years and years. >> tragic. from "the new york post," it's a full fledged air war between new york city mayor bill diblasio and uber. diblasio is pushing new relation regulations to cap the number of uber and other vehicles for hire in the city. they knocked him on their app. then they launched this ad. aimed at minority communities outside of manhattan where he
gets his strongest support. >> you need to get to the night shift in the south bronx. get baby to the doctor in jamaica queens. and get to the airport from sunset park, brooklyn. and while taxis often refuse people in minority neighborhoods, uber is there taking more people to and from communities outside of manhattan than anyone. but mayor diblasio is pushing the agenda of the big taxi donors to limit uber cars and drivers and vital service for thousands of new yorkers may vanish vanish. tell mayor diblasio don't strand new york. >> do you see the end there? the ad's ran repeatedly this weekend. ben smith of buzz feed notes the campaign is being run by david who pulled off the impressive feat of pushing democrats to hate the republicans and immediately made it personal. mayor diblasio is responding with an ohp-ed. more than 2,000 for hire vehicles are added to our streets every month. that means we're facing at decision of over 25,000 cars to
our streets over the next year. the rough equivalent of two times the total number of yellow taxis in all of new york city. no company's multibillion political war chest gives it oversight for new yorkers. we wouldn't let exxon mobil or walmart or any other corporate giant operate in new york without basic rules in place to protect the public and no number of lobbyists or ad campaigns will change that. and, joe, i guess the counter ad could be you're having a baby and need to get to the hospital and stuck in traffic. >> bill diblasio's attack on uber is stunning. i was a very vocal uber critic john heilemann six months ago. and then i did something. i downloaded the app and tried it and i use it everywhere. the car comes to you in a minute. i got older children in
manhattan. i actually let them use my account because i know that if they are out, let's say they're at a bar, i know they press the uber button and i know a car is out front of that bar or out front of that restaurant or out front of that theater in one minute. it's just -- this is why americans hate politics because you finally have something that works and you got a politician who's more interested in his big donors and his big support than actually keeping people safe. is there any question here who is in the right, john? >> look i'm a huge fan of uber. and i think accountable drivers, the quality of the experience, all those -- the way the rating system works, the rating that goes in both directions between drivers and passengers all that i think is great. i actually think there is a larger issue here whiches is no the just new york city.
this is going to happen everywhere in the country over not just uber but over all aspects of the sharing economy, air b & b is having the wars now where entrenched political interests who take money from unions and take money from large industries are going to fight against that -- these elements of disruptive innovation. i think uber and other things like this are going to be wedge issues in this campaign. you have to decide are you on the side of disruptive technology or on the side of organized labor? i think it's going to be a big choice for all politician who's have to decide where they want to be on this. it's a big political issue in the new economy. >> but in a sharing economy, there are specifics with uber and new york city that will effect other cities ultimately as uber sort of pervades. >> uber is everywhere. >> 25,000 more cars in the city. just a year to check it out. >> this same fight is happening in san francisco. it's happening in big cities. it's happening in europe on a very intense scale in places
like france for the same reasons. >> because there are entrenched interests that are threatened by this kind of innovation. >> the concern is legitimate. but what john is saying is the real issue. it's economics and money. if we were worried about congestion here in the city even before uber came i can tell you traffic is pretty stiff from 2:00 to 588:00 anywhere in the city. >> i was going to say this is not about congestion. just like bill diblasio trying to keep the poorest new yorkers from sending their parents to innovative schools is about schools. this is all about politics. and willie you've got an innovation that works. and i just don't think this is a battle that bill diblasio can win. even though he wants to win it for his unions or wants to win it for his big political donors. >> you're right. this one is pretty transparent politics when you look at who supports bill diblasio. it's the taxi industry and he's
protecting them in this case. for a guy that is progressive by any definition this is a pretty tough stance against progress. this is a good thing. this makes it easier. it makes it safer as people have said for people in outer boroughs to get around where they can't find cabs a lot of time. uber is progress. it's a fool's error to stay in the way. >> mike barnicle looks at the bonds between secretary of state john kerry and senator john mccain and why it's stronger than politics. keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ no student's ever been the king of the campus on day one. but you're armed with a roomy new jansport backpack, a powerful new dell 2-in-1 laptop and durable new stellar notebooks, so you're walking the halls with varsity level swagger. that's what we call that new gear feeling. you left this on the bus... get it at the place with the experts to get you the right gear. office depot officemax. gear up for school.
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okay. time for the must read opinion pages. we're going to start with mike barnicle's piece. frank bruni has that parallel joe, that mark halperin made last week about trump and better list cone berlusconi berlusconi. >> it is a fascinating comparison. you look at trump and you say, gee, something like this has never happened in the united states before. you look at berlusconi and look at an industrialist who had a lot of people saying a lot of things about him. and he still managed to win just on the might of his powerful personality and big bank account. >> yeah. >> so mike barnicle writes in
the daily beast, trump awaken's kerry vietnam ang we are slam on mccain. john kerry was angry. listen to this. listen to what trump just said about john mccain. kerry was saying over the phone, that's unbelievable kerry said that's beyond outrageous. he evoked immediate anger because it resonated feelings in him that are always there certainly under the surface calm but always. there a long goneward called vietnam, a war that awoke him one more time because of a slur uttered by a real estate man against a friend of kerry's -- who will line up against him on the treaty with iran. but that didn't matter because brothers in arms form a bond far stronger than politics. and, joe i think that is sort of the bottom line here. this is going into territory that i think kind of really
insults the fabric of what america is built on. >> it does. i mean i would never say it. i would tell donald and everybody else who does say this to immediately apologize and take it back. even though when donald said it he said it in a way that sounded like a joke. everybody laughed. then he kept rolling. i just do -- i keep going back to what al franken said in 2000 when doing an interview, a man obviously very interested in politics who had his eye set on the united states senate. >> joe there's no comparison to what al franken said. are you really comparing al franken to who was a comedian at the time to what donald trump said in a presidential candidate? i hear you. but the original question is name me a republican who didn't say negative things about john mccain who is now saying negative things about him. you offered al franken. he was a comedian back then i
think. i'm not excusing him. he was a comedian. >> al franken in 2000 was starting to prepare to run for office. i mean obviously he had his eye set on office. i thent he went on air america. he was becoming politicized. he didn't say this on the stage of saturday night live. he said this in a magazine and article specifically pointed at him assessing the 2000 field republican field. there is no comparison by where they are in stature. i'm just saying people that are running around with their hair set on fire need to have as a footnote there is a sitting senator in the united states who said the same identical thing. in fact something a bit more offensive and you just wonder how two people say the same exact thing and when one person says it it's the most offensive, horrifying disqualifying thing ever. he must immediately set himself
on fire and exit stage left. and the other person says it and he's in the united states senate. now, again, they're in different positions. if we're talking about how offensive the words are, then the words are offensive on both sides. donald should apologize. they're despicable f people are calling for him to apologize, they should call for other people who said the same things to al franken. >> did franken apologize? i don't think he referred to mexican immigrants as rapists either. >> but hold on a second. i don't know about the mexican imgrablt thingmigrant thing. did al franken refer to mexican immigrants as racists? i never heard that. are you saying that? >> no i'm saying did he not, joe. i said i don't believe. >> then why did you bring it up? >> because the criticism against trump is not isolated to his offensive and despicable remarks about john mccain's military service. again, i'm not -- i don't know
whether or not al franken apologized for the offensive and despicable things he said about john mccain's military service. i'm certain did he not go comparing mexicans who come to the united states as rapist ands killers and gang members, all of them. >> right. that's all. >> we're not talking about that. >> joe in, fairness, people are calling for exit for a combination of things not just this comment. i think that's been acknowledged around the set and i think you maybe acknowledged it earlier. >> i think what is curious to me mika is people actually didn't call for the exit from the race when he was calling mexicans rapists but they are now that he says this about john mccain. i find it curious that it took that somehow suggesting that most mexicans come across the border was not enough for all these strong brave republican candidates.
now that he's in a race and said nasty things about a man, but all acting like they're defending john mccain's honor. first of all, john mccain doesn't need them to defend his honor. sectiondly, most of the people say nice things except for lindsey graham have said really nasty things behind john mccain's back. there is a lot of hypocrisy here today. >> there is no out here for donald trump. i hope he picks up the phone and figures it out. still to come -- >> he needs to apologize. he needs to apologize. he needs to apologize. he better apologize. >> still to come on "morning joe," when the threat of nuclear proliferation is only part of the problem, israeli columnist breaks down the other looming concerns from the nuclear deal with iran and still ahead, our exclusive interview with senator john mccain. keep it right here on "morning joe."
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all right. 44 past the hour. so, joe, you keep bringing up the al franken thing. you are making a parallel? clarify. >> no. i mean they said the same exact things. but there's no parallel when you have a guy running for president of the united states and another guy who is very political but who wants to get into office. i do think my bigger point this morning is first of all what he said was dpikespicable. second will he, he needs to apologize. but number three, and it's the point i've been making this morning is there's a lot of hypocrisy swirling around washington, d.c. from people who say really nasty things about john mccain behind his back. for us that know the players in washington, d.c. the hypocrisy
from the politicians all a little too much. that doesn't stop though the fact that you and i both believe this was a despicable thing to say and he has to apologize. >> so easy to do as well. >> i never, though, would you agree with this heard publicly or privately anyone criticize john mccain's war record to that extent, to say what he went through doesn't qualify him to be a hero. >> i have heard because there is such a deep animous for john mccain people saying in back halls after they fought with john mccain really nasty things you would not want to have said on television. >> but on the record no. >> not on the record. >> on the record no. >> talk to john mccain in a few minutes here. rights now though joining us senior correspondent ari sahabib.
let's talk about the iran deal. what concerns do you have? >> first of all, let me say because the air is so toxic, it's important for me to say this is going to be an american decision that must be made by americans. it's not for me to tell americans how to vote on this issue. i think we need a serious dialogue. this is a dramatic moment. i think that basically what you see in this deal is an achievement on the one hand because all nuclear projects of iran is pretty much being difused for a while. but on the other hand what you see, actually you have a guarantee, a guaranteed very effective nuclear program in iran as of 2025. that has dramatic consequences. so the danger if i'll say briefly, there are three or four points to be addressed. the decisions are going to be very difficult. one, the danger of nuclear
proliferation in the middle east in the long term after 2025. saudi arabia egypt. and the second is an immediate conventional arm race which actually has already begun because in order to pass this deal, so much arms are going to be sold to this unstable region that is going to unstable it on the convention. and the third element which troubles me so much iran did not go through a conversion. the way iran treats america, i don't mind israel right now. the way iran treats america right now is a reason to be concerned. the shouting in tehran the fact that the deal itself honors the iran parliament much more than it honors congress these are reasons to be concerned. sometimes you have to strike a deal with the mafia. but you have to do to know that there is conversion, the convict
is changing his ways. right now we don't see that. so i hope that we'll see in the coupling weeks and months is a real demand of iran to change and convert because right now you're giving legitimacy to a dangerous regime that will acquire in the long term nuclear weapons. >> so do you then think the president and the secretary of state should have stepped away from this deal altogether? because they say this is as good a deal as they're going to get from iran. they believe it's good for the united states and the world. should they have walked away? >> again, i am not here to -- but i want us all to understand that this is -- this deal is a big deal. this deal is a huge deal. it will transform the position in the world. so we need to make sure that this -- this is probably the most important foreign relations decision in this decade possibly in this half century. so we cannot have mistakes here. >> and should have walked away?
>> what i think we should do is make sure whatever happens if, the deal passes or not, we understand it. it's not the end. it's the beginning. we're going to have a dangerous middle east with more upheavel there and where he have to take precautions now. whatever the decision is taken to address what's coming ahead. because this is a sad moment. sadly this is not a moment of hope this is a sad moment. >> i'll take that as they should have walked away. let's go to katy kay. >> i asked americans at this sensitive moment to think soberly, not to be political about it. and in this sense, i want us all to remind where we were in 2003
when most people thought there was something great going on and it's going to be an easy war and it was a brave, smart senator from illinois who said that it is different. so let us not have a kind of thinking that -- a heard thinking. let us not go for convenient consensus. my witch and pray is that every intelligent decent american in my mind any person in -- any human will see the dangers, will address the complexity not petty politics not partisan politics. let's look at really what is there. as i said there are some great achievements in this deal. the dif fusion of this program is impressive. on the other hand the fact that we're guaranteeing the sophisticated sacrifice of this deal allows iran to develop will make it a robust nuclear power within ten years. this is the implication.
so let's -- the choice is difficult. if you reject the deal now, there is a high price to pay. very high price. and i think that it calls -- we have people want to go on vacation. i think the 60 day that's begun yesterday are really important for any democratic society because i'm such a believer in your great democracy. i came to america with gratitude, respect and admiration. and i hope america will rise to this great interlekt you'll and historical challenge. because there are no easy answers here. and we have to see this deal as it is and the challenge beyond it as it is. >> all right. so final question ari. is military -- is the military response now off the table for israel or do you think israeli leaders reserve the right to destroy iran's nuclear program if they get intel that iran is breaking out and moving towards a nuclear weapon?
>> joe, i was worried about iran. i was in iran alarmist for a decade. i never supported a military strike definitely not an israeli strike. i never thought the military option was the solution. the solution was assertive diplomacy, a real economic siege on iran. the danger here is that you unleashing the very kind of power that will not be restrained but economical difficulties they h lifting of the sanctions is going to be irreversible. and, therefore, this is what so dangerous. israel, it was never about israel. the mistake done by my prime minister was making it about israel. this should be an issue for the entire international community but mainly for america. americans have to look at this as an american issue and make the american decision -- >> my question is about israeli military response. is that off the table? >> i think it was not relevant for some years and this definitely makes it even less
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do you own john mccain an apology? >> not at all. when i left the room it was a total standing ovation. it was wonderful to see. nobody was insulted. what happened is later on the republican candidates some of whom are registering 1% and 0 and they're upset that i'm leading the polls by actually a nice margin. this all started, martha when we had thousands and thousands of people in phoenix, arizona and, who by the way, are devastated by illegal immigration, something i'm very proud to have brought to the forefront. we had thousands of people. he said they're all crazies. he called them crazies. and frankly, i think he owes them an apology. >> it is the top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." john heilemann and harold ford jr. still us with and joining the conversation msnbc
political contributor and editor of "the fix" at the "washington post," chris alizza. joe, the conversation continues. we're going to be having john mccain himself on the show in exactly 30 minutes to respond. but for now, donald trump is not apologizing for his controversial remarks this weekend about senator john mccain's war service. it was the buzz of the political world over the weekend. if you haven't heard the comments yet, here's what he said at a summit for voters in iowa. >> john mccain goes oh, boy, trump makes my life difficult. he had 15,000 crazies show up. crazies. he called them all crazy. i said they weren't crazy. they were great americans. these people if you would have seen these people -- i know what crazy s i know all about crazies. these weren't crazies. so he insulted me and he insulted everybody in that room. i said somebody should run against john mccain who has been, you know in my opinion not so hot. i supported him.
i supported him for president. i raised a million dollars for him. that's a lot of money. i supported him. he lost. he let us down but he lost. so i never liked him as much after that because i don't like losers. but, frankly -- let me get to it. he's not a war hero. >> 5 1/2 years in a prison camp. >> he was a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. he's a war hero because he was captured. okay? you can have -- i believe, perhaps he's a war hero. but right now he said some very bad things about a lot of people. if a person is captured they're a hero as far as i'm concerned, unless they're a traitor like berg dal. i don't like the job he's doing in the senate. he's not taking care of our veterans. >> why you would say you like people that don't get captured? it's a simple question. >> i do. why snt
why? the people that don't get captured i'm not supposed to like? i like the people that don't get captures and respect the people that do get captured. >> why do you say that in the context of john mccain? >> you have many people that didn't get captured. i respect them greatly. you have people that got captured i respect them greatly also. >> so joe -- >> that's the -- that's the add surd. he made a joke on stage. goat a laugh. and then he almost immediately started to try to back off of it by saying maybe he's a hero. then he says he is a hero and people get captured are heroes and even that press conference afterwards he was saying people that don't get captured are heroes. people that do get captured are heroes except for beau bergdahl. i think it would be easier if he said he was sorry. >> there is something that searing about that kind of flip joke that he made that i think it ends things if he doesn't
find a way to bring himself to be able to say, you know what? that was wrong. we have coming up in the show a young man who served well to our country and put together a documentary on the 22 -- i think it's project 22 on the 22 suicides a day that our vets endure, the post traumatic stress that our vets endure the health care problems that our vets endure. the one thing i think americans are extremely defensive of and concerned about and would not take a joke about is our veterans. people who have served. and those who are captured and suffered for this country. so it is -- >> right. >> i don't know. i mean i don't see a way out here. i think this doesn't go away. and ends badly. >> i think if you say you're sorry. i think you say you're sorry. john heilemann you've been following donald trump and all the presidential candidates around. maybe i'm wrong, tell me if i am
wrong, i don't see a lot of trump supporters right now run ago way from him. he doesn't come out and do a mea culpa. i've said several times he should do. that i don't know if the people following trump right now are going to abandon ship if he doesn't. >> the hard core of trump support may not be offended by. this i made a point earlier when talking about this that is it is difficult, bordering on impossible to be the republican nominee if you alienated veterans. that is not waning strategy to become the republican nominee. he wants to be taken seriously as somebody that could be his party's nominee. and john mccain, though people have in the republican party mixed views of john mccain as a politician on a variety of issues, that he is a genuine bona fide war hero in the eyes of every veteran in the country is unquestioned. i think it's a dangerous strategy for trump to risk alienating that group if he
wants to be a top tier republican candidate. he can't have every veteran in the country or every veteran in the republican party thinking that he is out to launch on this issue. >> chris, it seems to me that people waiting for an apology for trump are going to be waiting for a long time. if you heard him yesterday on abc, not only did he not apologize, he turned it around and said john mccain is the one that ought to apologize for failed immigration policy. >> and for failing veterans. >> i i do think if trump stopped before the joke and he tried to make a joke there, it was a terrible joke obviously, his point about john mccain calling supporters of donald trump crazies, he had something there, didn'the? he is talking about -- >> oh, yeah. >> these are people excited for me because they feel let down by politicians in washington like john mccain. >> and he said something by him inauguration. if you had to divide everyone in the republican party up between are you with sort of the john mccain camp as he embraced in 2007 comprehensive immigration reform or the donald trump camp i have a feeling there will be
more people in the donald trump camp. the problem here, i was talking to somebody before i came in this morning to oh, this is it for donald trump. it mate be. but he defied every law of political gravity thus far. this it is for donald trump and john is right, too. this is it for donald trump well he's a serious candidate and he might bible to win the race. i don't think that was ever plausible. it is definitely not plausible now. but the idea that trump sort of supporters like the not going to apologize, the world is divided between good and evil and i'm on the good side and i'm going to keep moving forward, i think they like that. the people who really blanch at this stuff are the people he would need to get on his team if he was going to be more serious. he sort of relegated over to the well that is donald trump and my
zbes if he doesn't fix this up, which i see no indication he plans to do that's where he's going to stay. >> yeah there is a waterfall of reaction among republican candidates because this one is so easy to say this was wrong. and so you're getting that. then hillary clinton spoke out as well. jeremy peters you have a question? >> no. i just think, mika, you hit on something interesting here which is how the tone around this discussion of trump has changed, right? we were all laughing about this on friday. you know there is a certain element of comic relief. trump as a guilty pleasure in politics. he showed how unfunny this became really quickly. but one thing that people aren't talking about, something i think is probably more damaging to him as a republican candidate is not necessarily what he said about john mccain. but how he seemed to mock the holy communion when he spoke to the christians on saturday. he talked about eating a little cup of wine and having a cracker
like it is a snack at a cocktail party. and that's what i think caused a lot of people to blanch on saturday. >> yeah. absolutely. and there's, though, we're going to be having senator mccain on and we'll be getting his reaction, i think, there is an across the board one to those comments. other candidates to talk about. over the weekend vermont senator bernie sanders drew his biggest crowd yet. i believe the biggest crowd yet for presidential campaign. sanders drew an estimated 11,000 people at a rally in downtown phoenix on saturday night. the campaign had originally booked a theater that accommodated half the number of people who wound up attending. in addition to the crowds new data is revealing that sanders is attracting more of president obama's 2012 campaign donors than hillary clinton. according to data mining firm crowd pack the vermont senator
received contributions from more than 25,000 obama donors and clinton tapped 9,000. we learned last week that sanders campaign hauled in $15 million in total so far. still a far cry from clinton's campaign haul of more than $46 million. is it news that he's getting this money and this support, joe? are you surprised by this? >> yeah i'm surprised. i think it's -- i think there is a parallel to trump's rise in the republican party. nobody expected him to rise to the top of the polls as a great disruptor. on the democratic side you have the self-avowed socialist who has risen to this degree and now he's got getetting even more money from barack obama's contributors. it's clear that hillary clin iston is not a choice that a lot of democrats are excited about. when you start getting crowds of over 10,000 people at campaign
events in the summer before a presidential election year that's not insignificant. that's not sort of oh, look at bernie much that's cute. no. this suddenly -- this suddenly becomes a significant political story. >> and what's different here is he's not -- you look at trump's crowds and say what about those crowds? what could be drawing the crowds? he is a celebrity. he is a reach industrialist. he says things that tap into people. but he already had the platform. bernie sanders is not a celebrity. i would venture to say people in arizona or across the country may not have even known who he was a few months ago. and then one other point to make, have you been hearing the report? i've been saying this for a few weeks and people kind of sort of tamp it down when i say it. but there are reports that joe
biden might jump in. does anyone think those are serious? >> i think obviously joe biden makes a race much more interesting. you'll have three major candidates at that point. i think joe biden getting in might encourage other people to get in as well. i do want to say about bernie sanders. john heilemann the parallels between another vermont underdog from 2003 are pretty striking. i remember the summer of 2003 and howard dean drawing massive crowds. i believe it was in bryant park or around bryant park. it's deja vu all over again. >> you remember howard dean he spoke for the democratic wing and the democratic party and that is in a sense what sanders is -- has caught that particular lightning if a bottle. again, it's interesting because he has a huge demographic problem in the democratic party.
very little support among african-americans, very little support among hispanic-americans. those are two huge constituent czys that hillary clinton does much better in and over a long haul, she is much better positioned to be the democratic nominee, obviously. but in iowa and new hampshire which are largely all white electorates and where the progressive part of the party could be more dominant sanders can be a real problem for her in those two places and if he is a real problem for her in iowa and new hampshire, he could weaken her significantly to the point where someone like joe bide cone get in or elizabeth warren. those two states have so much power in the early part of the process and sanders is well positioned in those states relatively speaking. >> bernie sanders' support is intense and deep. but i think the thing that strikes me as you listen to him and watch him in front of the crowds is the word authenticity. he's been living this message for his entire career. not because it's a fad right now. he's been talking about wage
stagnation, the recovery of the middle class, income inequality. these are at the core of his political message for decades now. >> absolutely. you defined bernie sanders perfectly. i'm with joe. i was surprised, honestly that, he's gotten as much traction as he has. if you told me 1,000 people thou11,000 people would show up to a bernie sanders rally i would say that wasn't going to happen. i think he is tapping into a -- here's what we know. hillary clinton is not a pop lift never has been. occasionally she tries to embrace it. it's not who she is. the populous heart of the republican party, that is the beating heart. hillary clinton is the head. they've been looking for a heart. bernie sanders is that heart. as you said this is a guy that is not new to the causes. he was talking about it -- in a way, he remind me of rand paul. he is talking about ending the fed 25 years ago.
then all of a sudden in 2008 and 2012 it became relevant. but some of bernie sanders ideas have started to really be more the mainstream of the democratic party. he just has been saying it and now the spotlight is on him. i'm still stunned. you mentioned the guy raised $15 million. second most money raised for a campaign committee of anyone in the race. raised more money than jeb bush. >> i'm not stunned. but i agree we should be talking about it more. go ahead. >> this happens every presidential cycle on the democratic side. there is someone who is populous or has that message. go back to '84 and '88. you can find someone challenging the front runner from hart to jackson to the howard dean. so this is not uncommon. the question will become once bernie sanders, the record is examined and ideas are examined i think john touched on eded on an enormous point. it will be interesting to see
where president obama comes down going forward. i'm not surprised by the numbers. let's not also leave out the fact that donald trump had bnt phoenix also and attracted a crowned and energy there on that front. but if you're hillary clinton, she raised three times as much money as bernie sanders did. she continues to be the dominant force and you show that crowd fund thing it is curious to seat number of clinton donors who are giving to her. i think it's interesting to talk about all this. this is not uncommon to the democratic party. and if i'm mrs. clinton, you stril to focus on the message, how you promote that message. you don't take this guy lightly. you have to take him seriously. >> if i'm joe biden, i would jump in. >> it is not much to do about nothing though. >> i didn't say that. >> a weekend rally in july 2015 -- >> in arizona. >> i know you didn't. my gosh i would think any front-runner would be really nervous. question, is if hillary did an event last weekend in arizona, do you think 11,000 people would show up? >> i don't know. i don't take anything away from
bernie sanders attracting that size crowd. i only tried to put it in context and perspective and say if you were her and i said this on the show you have to develop that message, a tight cogent compelling message and promote it in the most powerful and compelling and pervasive way which i don't think the campaign is doing quite yet on the clinton side. >> he is drawing big crowd not just in arizona but in new england and also in madison, wisconsin. the thing about sand serzers is he has the authenticity in terms of positions and ideology he also has the authenticity of the person. and he comes across that, cranky old man who doesn't care about what anybody thinks about him is going to say what he means and mean what he says. that also is in contrast to what a lot of people think about hillary clinton. that is powerful too. not just that he's progressive but he comes across as being 100% real as a human being. i think people are attached to thacht also again, i just pointed out that i don't think he's the -- by any means about to knock her off or be the front-runner for the nomination. there are things about him that
the alchemy of personal issues that is very powerful. >> and this happens every time there is a democratic primary race in my life. my adult life. >> all right. chris, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> good to have you on. still ahead on "morning joe," congressman peter king will join us. plus, a "morning joe" exclusive. senator john mccain joins the table. how will he respond to donald trump's controversial comments? you'll hear them first here. and an historic moment. the u.s. and cuba opening embassies in each other capital. andrea mitchell joins us live. plus, a shark sneaks up on a champion surfer on live tv. the video is just incredible. you're watching "morning joe." shopping online is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. we're making hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks.
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d.c., host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell. >> hi mika. well, already the cuban flag was hoisted in the state department lobby. that never happened before. actually the state department wasn't open. that building on c street didn't exist the last time we had relations with cuba. but now it is in place along with all of the other countries with which the united states has diplomatic relations. and the building behind me they have a flagpole that just waiting for a flag to get raise that flag later today. the cuban foreign minister, the first cuban foreign minister to come to washington is going to be here and he will hoist that flag along with other dignitaries as well as american diplomats. and then he will be the first cuban diplomat cuban foreign minister to go to the state department. he'll have a joint news conference and meeting with john kerry. a lot of firsts to day. also the embassy in washington will be open in rather in havana, it's going to be open for business. but no flags, no signs, no ceremonies, not until john kerry
finishes all of the other travel and gets down there to havana next month. >> katy kay? >> isn't this amazing? this is one of the things that if somebody said you to a year ago you'd be standing outside a building that was going to be the embassy of cuba in washington, d.c. few of would you say have believed it. this has moved so fast on this issue with barely a murmur from the american public of opposition. one question i have for you, there are rumblings are the bum an rights issue, whether the quid pro quo is being met, the store yifz arrests recently in cube yachlt how much concern is there in the state department about that and whether the cubans are living up to their side of the bargain on that. >> well they did release some 53 prisoners. yes, there is concern. but the thinking here is and it's analogous to the other initiatives as you've seen with iran that they can do better by having relations and by working with cuba. cuba has a lot at stake. they have a lot of interest in economic relations with the
united states for a larger vastly larger economy. as you know well you and mika know the actual embargo will not be lifted but there are, you know, there will be the ready flights. there internet service, postal service, banking facilities can you use credit card down there. there will be tourism. but the actual embargo won't be lifted. but the president can do a lot by treasury actions and executive actions. that is what he's done. you're going to hear from republican opponents, especially in miami and other opponents are going to be holding news conference this afternoon. but generations are chachging. even some of the cuban-americans who lost so much and who -- whose family property was taken, even some of the younger generations are saying it's time. and that perhaps more can happen even for human rights and for communications with internet service with, telephone service, with communication rather than through isolation. >> andrea mitchell thank you
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"the washington post" and now former president george h.w. bush was released from a maine hospital on sunday, four days after falling from his summer home and breaking a bone if his neck. bush spokesman confirmed that former president is very grateful after being treat ford a fractured vertebrae. doctors said they anticipate the 41st president will make a full recovery in the next three to four months. so, of course joe, our thoughts and prayers with the family. it sounds like he's doing better. >> yes. certainly does. george h.w. bush a man who is one of the most revered politicians and presidents around. >> yep. okay. joining us now chairman of the arms services committee, republican senator john mccain of arizona. senator, thanks for being with us on "morning joe." >> thank you meekika. does donald trump owe you an
apology? >> i don't think. so i think he may owe an apology to the families of those who have sacrificed in conflict and those who have undergone the prison experience in serving their country. i'm in the arena as t.r. used to say, but in the case of manufacturemany of our veterans, when mr. trump said he prefers to be with people who are not captured well, the great honor of my life was to serve in the company of heroes. i'm not a hero. but those who were my senior ranking officers people that got the congressional medal of honor winner those that inspired us to do things we otherwise would not have been capable of doing. those are the people that i think he owes an apology to. >> and, senator, we're joined by viewers of "today" as well. and joe scarborough has a question for you. joe?
>> you bring up a man who is a hero of mine colonel bud day, an early supporter from ft. walton beach. we talked about what a great man he was. but i remember bud participating in a 2004 swift vet commercial against senator john kerry and questioning his military service. it pained me when bud and a lot of other american heroes did that. shouldn't we just keep our war heroes, military records off the political table once and for all? >> i think so joe. by the way, i did strongly condemn that -- those ads. >> you did? >> oh, yeah. john kerry and i have had differences over the years. we have worked together on some issues like normalization of relations with vietnam. but i think the point here is that there are so many men and some women who served and sacrificed and happened to be held prisoner and somehow to
denigrate that in any way their service i think is offensive to most of our veterans. i just like -- lieutenant john petivalano who was shot down during world war ii. he is 92 years old. he came to my office. we gave him one of his long overdue decorations, 92 years old, blind, wept when we gave him that award. he was a prisoner and was 90 pounds when he left -- when patton's tank corps liberated the camp he was in. those are the people that i find it just totally inappropriate for mr. trump to say that he doesn't like to be with people who are captured. >> captured. senator, so you certainly are taking the high road and not making this about you. you're right. you're in the arena. a lot of ugly things are said about people day in and day out.
but talk about how you personally feel when you have someone who avoided the military draft to go fight vietnam criticizing you for making the decision to go and then when your connections could have got you out of active torture, you chose not to take that route but to stay with your buddies until they all got out. >> i think you are old enough to remember the controversies and the wounds of the vietnam war. it may be the only war that you and i ever knew much about where the veterans were not welcomed home. and that's why i work so hard on the normalization of relations between our two kun tridz,countries, full accounting for those missing in action. in other words, put this behind us and move forward. now we have a good relationship with vietnam. >> but what about donald trump, though? are you not resentful that a guy
that didn't serve in vietnam is criticizing someone like yourself who still is paying the price day in and day out for what you did and what you endured while in prison camp? >> joe, i put all that behind me. for me to look back in anger at anyone is nonproductive and our country is -- was divided and almost unprecedented fashion during the vaet namietnam war. when i came home, i was shocked. i worked ever since to heal those wounds. i spent time with veterans. i do everything i can to help them. as you know major scandals going on. i had two pieces of legislation to try that issue. best thing to do is put it behind us and move forward and just express our gratitude to those who have served and sacrificed. who are the real heroes? they're the 55,000 names that are down on the wall engraved in
black granite that i stop by sometime early in the morning and when the sun is going down. and i was fourth of july with the men and women who are serving in afghanistan and i can tell you they are just wonderful. better than my generation. >> can i ask you one final thing and then pass it on to willie. donald trump keeps -- can you tell that you got under his skin when you called his supporters crazies. do you regret doing that? >> listen you know my state is a very dynamic and divisive stace. we have lots of argue amsments going on. i have hundreds of town hall meetings in arizona and i'm called crazy. i thought it was a term of endearment. >> willie geist? >> so no -- so no apology for that? >> listen i lot of debate. i love my people and so i meant it in a way -- in a term of
affection, to be honest with you. >> senator mccain, the republican cappedndidates came out unanimously condemning the thoughts. some say he should get out of the race. do you feel that donald trump should abandon his bid for the presidency for what he said about you? >> no. i think that's a decision that he would have to make. again, what i think you should do is apologize to the families and those who have served the people like john petavalino who served and they were proudest moments of their lives was serving in the company of heroes. those are the people he should apologize to. >> what do you think it says about your party or how do you account for the fact that donald trump in this moment in time is at the top of most polls for the race for the white house? >> it will be interesting to see, one, how that number is after these comments of his. but i can assure you that if you talk to our veterans and i've had a flood of calls from our
veterans, they are not happy. >> i'd like to ask you about iran and the nuclear deal that was cut. i guess there are, you know there's one school of thought that iran is not capable of change. so how can you cut a deal with iran? do you think the deal is going to make it through congress? and what are the ramifications if it does not? >> i think it's not going to get through the first round, as you know but the president's already said he would veto and then the question is there sufficient votes to override a veto? i think that will be dictated to some degree about the debate. and how people are convinced or not convinced that this is not a good deal or a good deal. >> is it a good deal? are there parts of it that are good deal? does it make the middle east safer in any way? >> i worry that it's going to nuclearize the middle east. i already talked to some of the lead nertz miders in the middle east. they are deeply concerned. they are moved in a direction of acquiring nuclear weapons because they see this five year eight year ten year window that
they're going to have to -- as iran nuclearizes -- acquires nuclear weapons after ten years. but the other thing that is worry so many to me is when you give a promise to relieve the sanctions, general dumbford said that the copper tipped ieds killed at least 500 army and marines and they're lifting the sanctions against him? someone's going to have to explain that to me. >> joe? >> that was one of the most -- to see his name on that list senator, you're right. that was stunning. it was also stunning to see that the iranians have a 24-day leave time before inspectors are allowed in. what can be done to shorten that time frame? is there anything that you can do or members of this senate can do or is it a take it or leave
it situation? >> i think it's almost a take it or leave it joe, because of the -- it's a agreement. but i also think we should be deeply concerned about continued iranian aggression. they're now in controlling four countries. we just found out when i was in afghanistan over the fourth of july. they're now providing weapons to the taliban. everywhere they're on the move and they're succeeding and still the chief states sponsor of terror. now i understand the other argument. but when you look at the circumstances of nixon and china, they're vastly different than the situation today. >> senator mccain, you had a long relationship with john kerry. known him for years and years. he actually left to your defense in a very strong way yesterday in light of the donald trump comments. do you feel like he did all he could do at the negotiating table with iran? do you feel like maybe he should have walked away from this? >> well i think there was very little doubt in the iranian's
mind that we wanted it more than they did. and that's how you got somehow an agreement on conventional weapons crept into this when secretary kerry had assured us time after time after time that this was only nuclear. and, of course the great concern that all of us have is what is iran going to do with those tens of billions of dollars that are now going to be freed up? so i look forward to the debate. i look forward to the briefings. we'll have one next week -- or this week in the senate. and, frankly, i'm on the side of bb. >> okay. i'm not going to challenge you on. that we don't have enough time. but i do want to ask you about 11,000 people showing up in arizona for bernie sanders. what do you make of his candidacy? >> we're a very diverse state. we have every political philosophy that can you -- i love it. it makes the great debate and great discussion wez have. but it also means that just
frankly, as donald trump tapped a vein in the republican party, the fact is that bernie has also in -- with the democratic party. by the way, he and i negotiated very tough negotiations on a bill to reform the va. and i will say this. we are philosophically different. but bernie was an honest man. >> so what was he like to work with? negotiate with? >> explosive. >> tough? >> i'm the most mild mannered. >> this is from you? that must have been fun. >> we had wonderful shouting matches but dedicated to the proposal we have to fix the scandal in our va. it has to be fixed. >> all right. senator john mccain, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate you being here exclusively on "morning joe." >> thank you. >> all right. coming up shark attack. an australian surfer fights for his life on live tv whether tacked by a shark. did you see this senator? look. that's crazy. it's like jaws. the dramatic story next on
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here you have a guy who was really -- we have been saying he's been taking up all the oxygen in the room. he certainly is at the top of the field in the republican field. being talked about more than everybody else. and this weekend, it wasn't good news. he came out and said some insulting things about john mccain's military service. >> with us on set right now, the manager editor of bloomberg politics john heilemann, political analyst and professor at the university of michigan school of public policy former democratic congressman harold ford jr., in london washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay, and "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. we'll start there. donald trump not apologizing for his controversial remarks this weekend about senator john mccain's war service. it was the buzz of the political world over the weekend. if you haven't heard the comments yet, here's what he said at a summit for voters in
iowa. >> john mccain goes oh, boy. trump makes my life difficult. he had 15,000 crazies show up. crazies. he called them all crazy. i said they weren't crazy. they were great americans. these people, if you would have seen these people i know what crazy is. i know about crazy. these weren't crazy. he insulted me and he insulted everyone in the room. i said someone should run against john mccain who has been, in my opinion, not so hot, and i supported him. i supported him for president. i raised a million dollars for him. that's a lot of money. i supported him and he lost and he let us knoun. i never liked him as much after that because i don't like losers. let me get to it. he's not a war hero. >> five and a half years. >> he was a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captured, i hate to tell you. he's a war hero because he was captured. okay. you can have -- and i believe
perhaps he's a war hero but right now, he said bad things about a lot of people. >> if a person is captured they're a hereo as far as i'm concerned, unless they're a hero like bergdahl -- i don't like the job that john mccain is doing in the senate because he's not taking care of our veterans. >> why would you say you don't like people who don't get captured? >> i do. the people who don't get captured i'm not supposed to like? i like the people who don't get captured. >> why would you say that in the context of john mccain? >> excuse me. i like the people -- you have many people who didn't get captured. i respect them greatly. you have people who got captured. i respect them greatly also. >> okay. >> so mika it's very obvious if you look at this in context that donald trump was asked a question by frank luntz, a
moderator of that event, and he resorted to a low brow joke. sort of an al franken churned up joke. he said the same thing, said i respect a war hero is not somebody who gets captured. al franken said a war hero is somebody who does not get captured. franken said as far as i'm concerned, he sat out the war. a despicable joke. and donald's joke was a despicable joke. and donald saying three or four times afterwards that he was a hero. in this case in this case he needs to make -- okay this is what. they're putting up what al franken said. anybody can get captured. i thought the idea was to capture them. he sat out the war. al franken. that was in 2000 when john mccain was running for president the first time. obviously, the stakes much higher here. john mccain is a war hero.
he's a man who refused to go home when the communists wanted to send him home despite the fact he was being tortured. he refused to leave his buddies behind and is an extraordinary war hero even if you have a lot of differences with him. but i think this is -- i think donald trump will eventually say something and apologize. but i think this is emblematic of a bigger problem of donald trump still going around saying things you would say if you were in the back of the pack instead of the front of the pack. if he wants to win, if he wants to play for the long run, he's got to stop making these type of mistakes. and when he does make these mistakes, he needs to come out with a clear apology fast. he's not doing that yet. >> yeah, and i think it's -- it could be permanent damage if he doesn't apologize. willie. >> he hasn't apologized. he wrote an op-ed saying he sees no reason to apologize.
there's no definition of hero that doesn't include what john mccain went through. 1967 and 1973 in that prison. including the fact that he gave up his turn to be released because he thought other people should be released before him. i guess the question is is this donald trump in a nutshell? is this him shooting from the hip and never apologizing, which has gotten him very far in life but may stop him here? >> yes, and yes. also yes. i think probably the bigger issue, bigger dynamic that is unleashed is that it has now freed, whatever extent there were people in the republican party who were afraid to criticize donald trump, this has now given everybody free reign. everyone who wants to attack him, was maybe kind of tip toeing around it now has license to come forward. we saw that over the weekend. only a few people like ted cruz still not attacking donald trump. everyone now piling on.
i don't know whether an apology at this point, and i don't know if he knows the words, i'm sorry, but i don't know if that will turn the tide because this is the moment where now all of the republican party says fair game. >> the only reason why i think it could is it would be so stunning from him. as you said and it is the moment that republican candidates and any trump opponent has been waiting for, the reaction from fellow republican candidates was swift and almost entirely furious. >> at a minimum, he needs to apologize. in terms of what he needs to do next in terms of the race that's up to the voters. clearly, he needs to apologize and refrain from comments like that. >> he's refusing to do that. >> more people need to push him. not just candidates or elected officials. i think more people from across america. including some of those who maybe up until now have been supporters of his. >> somehow makes the assumption or is saying that somehow if you're captured in battle you'reless worthy of honors than someone who isn't, it's not just
absurd it's offensive, ridiculous and it's a disqualifier as commander in chief. earlier in the campaign when he said something outrageous people said ignore it go on it will go away. this is what he does. now as this has gone forward and he's become a more covered candidates it's required people to be more forceful on some of the offensive things he's saying. >> the good people of iowa the good people of new hampshire, and the good people of south carolina are going to figure this out. and here's what i think they're going to say. donald trump, you're fired. >> harold ford do you agree with lindsey graham? >> i think lindsey may be on to something. everybody said it well this morning. the one thing that could be added only is that the entire process, donald trump is making a mockery of perhaps the most important exercise i think in all of politics around the
globe, certainly the most important exercise in american politics making a run at the presidency. in a time when the world is focusing on what's happening in greece in iran our economy, income equality. mr. trump said he would be the greatest jobs creator in the history of america if he were elected prdz. i'm curious to hear what some of those ideas are. i probably would not be inclined to vote for him from the beginning, but after these comments and you add the comments about john mccain, it's all been said this morning. even president obama who defeated mccain in '08 continues to point to him and his service in the highest of ways. i hope lindsey is right. i hope rubio is right. and i hope walker is right and that more and more republicans. even some who are not in the race, will come forward and challenge and criticize mr. trump for these awful and despicable comments. >> we shall see. i personally think that those who are asking him to get out of the race are suggesting he get
out of the race or be driven from the race i think they're whistling past the graveyard. i don't think that's going to happen. jeremy peters you were following donald trump last weekend in new hampshire. i can guarantee you because i have talked to people in new hampshire this weekend, people who supported trump, after these statements and basically saying what do you think now? they rolled their eyes and like ah, he needs to keep his mouth shut. other than that nobody was run nothing to the streets with their hair on fire. >> i think eventually, this takes care of itself. while trump is not -- while donald trump is one of the most neat political characters in the race now, his appeal is not unique. the resonance he has with the voters is he's blunt spoken. he's not politically correct. he tells it like it is. well, that applies to a lot of these leaders who have sprouted up and kind of taken charge or stood at the head of these restive conservatives who are
looking for somebody to kind of have the fight, take the fight to the establishment. and so i think it's just a matter of time before somebody else comes ss along and fills the void. it won't be donald trump for very much longer. >> the condemnations of trump from most of the gop candidates did not come early enough for hillary clinton who addressed trump in her speech in arkansas on saturday night. >> yes, donald trump, finally a candidates whose hair gets more attention than mine. >> but there's nothing funny about the hate he is spewing at immigrants and their families and now the insults he's directed at a genuine war hero, senator john mccain. it's shameful and so is the fact that it took so long for most of his fellow republican candidates to start standing up
to him. the sad truth is if you look at many of their policies it could be hard to tell the difference. >> katty kay, did you think hillary clinton ever thought there would be a day where she would have to with a straight face criticize donald trump in a presidential campaign. but to be more serious, she broadens it out to a republican attack as well. >> yeah you know every now and again in american politics you can think back to the last cycle, somebody comes along who gets an awful lot of media attention for a long time but who most of us in our heart of hearts think is never going to really be a serious presidential candidate candidate. donald trump as leader of the free world the world's biggest economy, the world's biggest military, the things he said disqualify him from holding that position with any seriousness. i think hillary clinton is right on that. the depressing thing is it took the criticism of john mccain as a war hero in a sense to give
the other republican candidates a free pass to round on him. they didn't do it when he was saying equally despicable things about mexican immigrants and they felt they couldn't round on him then. now they are, and i think she's right to call out the republican field on this one. for having taken him so seriously and not criticizing him earlier. >> mika how do i do this without people saying terrible terrible things about me? because you know -- >> you can't. >> when they say terrible terrible things about me it ruins my whole day. >> you get so upset. >> i do. wait, no, it doesn't. i'll just say it. okay, so let's say i were john madden. and i were talking about a football coach that everybody hated who did something despicable on the sidelines, but it was a football coach that everybody hated and always said really bad things about him anyway, and then all of them had
press conferences afterwards saying he's going to be fired. he must be fired. as john madden i would roll my eyes and say, you know what lots of luck firing him. this guy knows how to win. i have to say, what donald trump said about john mccain was despicable. what donald trump said about mexicans being rapists was despicable and donald trump is in first place. we talked about this last week. the rules that apply to everybody else doesn't apply to him. when you have all of the old order from jeb bush to hillary clinton to all of these people that want to be president of the united states attacking donald trump, all that does is re-enforce donald trump's strength. now, when veterans organizations come out front a bit more aggressively, which they have started to i think that's different. but hillary clinton attacking donald trump is not going to hurt donald trump.
and us sitting around the table talking about how damaged donald trump is is not going to hurt donald trump. but, i do think a series of these over time at the end of the day are going to hurt donald trump. john mccain, if you took all of these people that are defending john mccain and cobbled together the nasty, nasty things they have said about john mccain through the years except for lindsey graham, it would look pretty funny. >> but no one has ever challenged his military record. >> here's the thing -- >> what's that? wait, who said that? >> i did. i said no one has ever challenged his military record. the criticism has been politics and perhaps stances. i don't know anyone who has challenged whether or not him being captured qualified for the honors of being a war hero. disqualified him i should say. >> actually al franken did when john mccain was running for president, but he's a liberal so
it doesn't matter. >> i got you. fair enough. >> but he said it and no no but he ran for senate. so how disqualifying was it after all? i think, again, trump has to get out and apologize for this despicable statement. there, i said despicable statement again, for about the 15th time. let all take note. i'm simply saying for people who are saying this is the end of trump's presidential campaign they're living in a very little bubble. >> yeah. i think we're getting too deep in the weeds over this. it's obviously a bad thing to say. but if you look at hillary clinton, what's going to last for her is that she can say great things about john mccain. and the bigger message there is she can go to washington and work with john mccain, and donald trump should apologize because he needs to show that sometimes what he says is a little off the mark but he can do that.
and he needs to show he can work with people when he goes to washington. >> his own party is a start. >> he's missing a huge opportunity. it's a little lost on me how he's missing this. it's completely lost on me. anyhow, you want to talk about it more i think we're done but go ahead. >> except john heilemann, at one point, he says to his critics, i supported hillary clinton when i was in new york. and i was a democrat when i was in new york because i had to be to get things done. well, if he wants to be president of the united states he better know how to work with john mccain. it's one thing to call everybody stupid on a general level in washington, d.c. it's quite another to openly insult one of the most powerful men on capitol hill in the united states senate. and at some point, he's going to have to figure out how to get along with these people if he wants to tell voters he can change d.c. >> that's true, and i say to make reference to something you just commented on in passing, with the republican nomination
if veterans don't like you. can't do it. there's not a way to do that in the republican party. so just as a matter of basic political iq the thing that trump has done here is really problematic for him if he wants to be a serious contender for the republican nomination. can't win it if veterans don't respect you. this is the kind of thing that's going to get a lot of veterans pretty upset at trump. still ahead, a battle for the streets of new york city. how mayor bill de blasio is fighting back against uber. plus new details emerge from a bill cosby deposition in 2005. why the legendary comedian's own words are now coming back to haunt him. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> mika hot and steamy forecast. want to show you the dangers. over the weekend, heavy rain in north carolina led to a really dangerous situation. this is hidroplaining at its worst. look at that. that car is lucky it went into the retention area on the side of the road.
it could have gone straight into the telephone pole or the trees. all three passengers in the vehicle were safe and walked away from that nasty stuff. let's talk about the heat. obviously yesterday was hot. the hottest day in two years in new york city at 93. d.c. was at 98 degrees. very humid this morning. heat index is already in the upper 80s. d.c. feels like 92 at this hour. that's pretty sticky stuff. we're also very hot and humid through the south, which we have been pretty much all summer long. because of that heat advisories for all of mississippi, alabama, oklahoma, arkansas and right down 95 philadelphia through richmond and down past myrtle beach, heat advisories up. how hot this afternoon? over 100. widespread throughout the deep south. dallas could peak at 105. philadelphia, 98. a couple days in a row in philly. cooler air will work its way through the week. the worst weather this morning for the morning commute was kansas city flash flooding. thunderstorms rolling across interstate 70. watch out, columbia and
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the times writes even as mr. cosby denied he was a sexual predator who assaulted many women, he presented himself in the deposition as an unapologetic cavalier playboy, someone who used fame, apparent concern, and sedatives in a powerful pursuit of young women. the paper reports he openly discussed a number of encounters including taking a 19-year-old aspiring model who sent him a poem back to his couch. cosby also acknowledged obtaining quaaludes for the purpose of having sex with women. quote, the same as a person would say have a drink. but in the case of the accuser in the lawsuit, cosby claims he never gave her anything stronger than a benadryl. though she believes it was a more powerful drug. he made it clear he was not in love with his accuser, down playing it as plain sex.
we were playing, petting. at times, one of the attorneys suing him confronted the comedian on his tone. i think you're making light of a very serious situation, she said. cosby replied, that may very well be. and in the deposition cosby got into the lengths he would go to keep stories from getting out, shutting down a magazine article and channeling money from his agent to a woman so his wife would not find out. nbc news has reached out to cosby' representative but has not received any comments. no charges have been filed against cosby and he's denied past allegations on any wrongdoing. he settled out of court with the accuser in the case in 2006. joe. >> yeah. you know willie mika had said before that this really does put to an end any questions about what his m.o. was with young women and drugs. there are a few defenders still
out there. whoopi goldberg, our friend who says you're innocent until proven guilty. >> but heshe can't be okay with this. >> that's what i was going to say. it certainly looks like his own words from past depositions under oath are proving him guilty. >> yeah, and whoopi goldberg even since then has started to change her tune a little built. if you're on the fence about bill cosby, whether or not he was involved in all this do yourself the favor of reading this "new york times" piece. they are his words. him saying out loud he paid women, drugged women, did all these things that he in fact asked one young woman about her parent having cancer. only so he could have sex with her at some point. there's no way now to look at all this to hear all these cases and not conclude that he was involved in something horrible over years and years. >> tragic. from the new york post a full fledged war between new york city mayor bill de blasio
and uber. de blasio is pushing new regulations to cap the rising number of uber and other for-hire vehicles in the city. la week uber knocked the mayor with a de blasio option on their app, telling users about the long wait his restrictions could create. then they launched this ad aimed at minority communities outside of manhattan where de blasio gets his stronger support. >> you need to get to the night shift in the south bronx. get your baby to the doctor in jamaica, queens and get to the airport from sunset park brooklyn. while taxis often refuse people in minorities neighborhoods, uber is there, taking more people to and from communities outside manhattan than anyone but mayor de blasio is limiting uber drivers and vital service for millions of new yorkers may vanish. tell mayor de blasio don't strand new york. >> the ads ran repeatedly this
weekend. ben smith of buzzfeed notes the campaign is run by david plouffe who pulled the rather impressive task of getting people to hate the clintons. he writes more than 2,000 new for hire vehicles are being added to the streets every month. we're magging over 25,000 cars to our streets over the next year, the rough equivalent of two times the number of yellow taxis in all of new york city. no company's multibillion dollar war chest gives it a blank check to overpass safety precautions. we wouldn't late any corporate giant operate in new york without basic rules in place to protect the public, and no number of lobbyists or ad campaigns will change that. joe, i guess the counterad could be you're having a baby and you need to get to the hospital and you're stuck in traffic.
>> bill de blasio's attack on uber is stunning. i was a very vocal uber critic john heilemann, six months ago, and then i did something. i downloaded the app and tried it. and i use it everywhere. the car comes to you in a minute. i've got older children in manhattan. >> me, too. >> i let them use my account because i know that if they're out, let's say they're at a bar, i know they press the uber button, and i know a car is out front of that bar or out front of that restaurant or that theater in one minute. it's just this is why americans hate politics. because you finally have something that works. and you've got a politician who is more interested iphis big donors and his big support than actually keeping people safe. is there any question here who's in the right, john?
for new yorkers who use the service? >> i'm a huge fan of uber. and i think accountable drivers, the quality of the experience all of those, the way the rating system works, the rating that goes in both directions between drivers and passengers, all of that is great. i actually think there's a larger issue here which is that it's not just new york city. this is going to happen every written the country. >> coming to a city near you. >> not just uber but all aspects of the sharing economy. airbnb is having these wars where entrenched political interests who take money from unions and large industries are going to fight against the elements of disruptive innovation, and uber and things like this are going to become issues in the campaign where you have to decide are you on the side of disruptive technology and innovation or industry and labor, and it's going to be a big choice for all politicians who have to decide where to be on this.
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does donald trump owe you an apology? >> no i don't think so but i think he may owe an apology to the families of those who have sacrificed in conflict and those who have undergone the prison experience. >> are you not resentful that a guy who didn't serve in vietnam is criticizing someone like yourself who still is paying the price day in and day out for what you did and what you endured while in prison camp? >> joe, i have put all that behind me. for me to look back in anger at anyone is nonproductive. >> that was senator john mccain exclusively on "morning joe" earlier this morning responding to what donald trump said about him over the weekend. the donald is still doubling down. and when you hear senator mccain responding the way he did, it kind of makes it even more
painful. >> well, i don't know about that. john mccain is just not going to take the bait. john mccain is taking the high road. it is a smart political move. there's no doubt john mccain has no use for donald trump. donald trump has no use for john mccain. it's bitter. and it's personal. but guess what. you don't let your anger get in the way of your platform. that's exactly what donald trump did this weekend. whether he likes john mccain or hates john mccain is irrelevant to the future of his political presidential campaign. he needs to figure out how to put this behind him and just playing tough guy is not going to work in this situation. he's a golfer. you know what. you don't take your driver out when you're 110 yards from the hole. you take you know your 56 or your 60-degree wedge and use that. donald is using a driver all around the golf course. he's going to have to learn to use his short game with a little
touch and finesse. >> i think there's -- i was thinking we should go on a joint expedition to the high road because i have never been on that road before. we should check it out. >> joe's been on it. >> i was shocked by -- it was elevated plain that mccain was on. >> i guess so. i will say, though my tongue is often battered and bruised by things i do not say. if john mccain -- if donald trump wants to have a long impact on this presidential campaign he's going to have to figure out how to do that. let's bring in peter king right now. mika. peter, obviously, congressman and chairman from donald trump's own new york state. how does that sound to you, congressman? what do you think of the state of play in the republican party right now and donald trump being at the top of the field?
>> listen i'm not one of those people who over the years has taken shots at donald trump. to me he was a new yorker who sometimes went too far. what he did over the weekend with john mccain, that has crossed a line. to me that's almost sacrilegious. there's certain things you just don't do. apart from the politics it's morally wrong. i was at a baseball game in brooklyn last night, and i had really rank and file people coming up to me one who was an irish guy, a korean war veteran. he was so angry. then a middle aged african-american woman, the same thing. that's a line you and i have been involved in name calling over the years. to me if you're in the arena, a lot goes on. and you shouldn't complain about it. when it comes to a person who is a p.o.w. who suffered the way john mccain did, and who doesn't brag about it or talk about it. for him to be attacked by donald trump was wrong. morally wrong. >> yeah. >> does trump need to apologize? >> yeah he should. obviously, to me it goes without saying.
that is something that certainly warrants a full apology. and as far as the impact on the race itself you know maybe the hard-core anti-immigrant people it's foughtnot going to affect them much, but the rank and file the blue-collar people the people who are proud to be americans, this is really crossing a line. i think that's where it's going to hurt donald trump, whether he does it in the next week or so it's going to damage him permanently. to me, it makes it impossible for him to go beyond now a hard-core base. now, again, he was rising above that because, again, this is anecdotal from talking to people in the last week or so before inmccain statements people felt like, i don't agree with everything he says but he's speaking. we need somebody who has the guts to speak out, who is not bought and sold by others. so he was really getting the benefit of a bombastic personality and being willing to speak out as to specifics. now, the line was crossed with
john mccain. i don't see how he recovers from that even though i do believe he's going to hold on to a certain base. >> yeah. >> i do think, mika that what peter king heard is the same thing i have been hearing from so many republicans and independents and some democrats across the country. that before these statements, that donald trump had really captured the imagination of a lot of people. he was a populist brand of republicanism. we'll see how this weekend's comments shake things up. he needs to get him behind him. we'll see if he has the discipline to do it. >> a lot of people underestimated his reach, his platform, and his ability to sort of tap into american sentiments. joining us on set, jamie weinstein. i think, though this was a bridge too far. the opportunity here actually would have been given, you know how high ranking john mccain is in the senate and how much credibility and sort of
notoriety he has, especially in the political world, this would have been an opportunity for donald trump to actually show he can work he can dial back he can even apologize. this is someone he would be working with. if he were to -- >> i think we have to understand the world of donald trump. in the world of donald trump, things are split into dichotomies. you're either a hero or a loser. and that depends on whether you criticized him or not. john mccain criticized him, donald trump doesn't have profound theories on heroism. he's immediately into the category of a loser. if he praised him, he would be the greatest hero who ever lived. if charlie mason wrote a letter saying donald trump was the greatest american he would consider him for a cabinet post in the next trump administration. that's all donald trump understands. >> in washington you're a hero one day then a loser the next and then a hero again another day. joe. >> yeah i wanted to ask what is the state of play right now, jamie, with the rank and file republicans? you obviously are a wrung
opinion shaper on the republican side for the daily caller have a lot of people following you. what is the attitude toward donald trump right now? >> certainly in washington which is not necessarily the rank and file republicans he's not viewed as a super serious presidential contender, but he has a certain base and he's playing to the base by not apologizing. this idea that donald trump doesn't know anything he never needs to apologize for is something that the base relished. however, what hurt him in iowa as much as what he did, said about john mccain is he said he never asked god for forgiveness. a lot of his base is very deeply, profoundly religious, perhaps, and hearing a man not have any humility saying you know i don't have anything to ask god forgiveness about. that's not something that affects me that may have hurt him just as much as his comments about john mccain. >> i think probably in the long run, maybe more. peter king let's turn right now to the tragedy in chattanooga.
the shooting down there. you obviously have been chairman of the homeland security committee. are we going to see a lot more attacks like this in the future? and what can we do to curb them? >> joe, we certainly could. isis has changed the battlefield. they are reaching out more than al qaeda itself ever did to get people who are deranged people on the fringes, people who can be seduced by their islamist rantings. we have seen a number of these attacks, new york, canada now in chattanooga. i think what this means is the fbi, as good a job as it does just cannot get all the intelligence that's needed to even hope to stop many of these attacks. i think the local police have to be brought into it a lot more. this can be controversial, where think this shows why we need more surveillance or better tips better informers, to try to anticipate these things in advance. whether or not that would have worked in this case i don't know. also, i think what it shows is we're going to have to fortified, and i hate to use the
word domestically but fortify some of the recruiting stations. bullet-proof classglass, and strongly consider having armed personnel in the locations. whether it's military or police. >> peter, why wouldn't we? it seems like we have to now, right? >> at this stage, i believe we certainly have to. to me it's only a question of how it's done. do you have all of the personnel arms? one or two mps there? again, how it's done. they're now considered to be quote/unquote legitimate targets by isis. everyone wearing a uniform is a threat. a police officer at li he's armed. the military people sitting in a recruiting office in a strip mall are as vulnerable as anybody can be. i would say again, bullet proof it and have armed personnel in that recruiting station. yes. >> all right, congressman peter king, thank you very much for being on. coming up for the first
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it. you come home different. yeah mentally physically whatever, but i felt like a piece of my soul was gone. >> that was a clip from the documentary "project 22" muditional medicines film made by combat veterans to raise awareness of the high rate of suicide among veterans. joining us now, co-founder of medicinal missions, doc king. how is this going? i know the movie is being seen in new york this summer. and the point here is for this to be seen by veterans correct? >> exactly. >> tell us why. >> we really think that this will provide veterans with not only a bunch of knowledge that we don't get when we transition out of the military necessarily regarding our challenges but also inspiring veterans to seek a path of healing and reach around them and start bringing the community up together. >> project 22 the meaning of the name 22 a day, right? >> from a 2013 study by the v.a.
that showed that approximately 22 veterans are committing suicide every single day. >> and you put this together with another veteran. you guyed served yourselves. obviously, that's part of the inspiration behind it. what led to this project becoming so big? >> i think it was -- >> what's the personal side of it? >> it was our personal stories and really that was the inspiration to make the film because we realized we couldn't be the only ones out there that were dealing with this. we were fortunate enough daniel egbert is my co-director, we were fortunate to have each other and sort of make it through. we wanted to reach out and, you know bring that to other veterans as well. >> mike barnicle. >> could you talk about, and i'm sure the film probably addressed this in one manner or another, but in a country where there is no draft, where just about maybe fewer than 1% of us serve in either iraq or afghanistan, or serve in the army or marine
corps at all, the isolation of a veteran, especially the isolation of a combat veteran. and conversations with other combat veterans sometimes hard to come by. and what this film addresses. >> yeah isolation is one of the most devastating things for anybody, especially a combat veteran, as you say. and there's many reasons for it. i think it's individual but on a general scale, you don't want to as one of the doctors we interviewed put it you don't want to soil the family area with the stuff you bring home. you don't realize you can actually talk about it and make it into a story that can be understood and honored and a part of your family's tradition and heritage. but instead, you choose to keep it away from them to protect them. but what you're doing is your isolated and not able to receive the support that you need and that understanding from those who love you most. >> we're watching pictures of the motorcycle ride. explain to us more about the nature of the ride what happened and what involved?
>> we started in san francisco at a wounded veteran's sailing clinic in 2000 thirteen13, then we rode across the country, and i think it was 30-something interviews we were able to conduct with veterans researchers, providers, and specifically just searching for forms of hope. >> the film is "project 22." and for more information about "project 22" or to request a screening of the film for your local theater, visit medicinalmissions.com. doc king thank you so much for coming back. this is incredible and i hope as many veterans and their families as possible get to chance to see this.
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