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i believe perhaps he's a war hero. >> if somebody is a prisoner i consider them a war hero. if somebody is a prisoner i would consider them a war hero. if a person is captured they're a hero as far as i'm concerned. i'm not blaming john mccain -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> excuse me. he gets captured he gets captured. they're brave men because they were in the field. you have people that got captured. i respect them greatly, also. >> you do not think that is a war hero captured or not? >> four times i said he is a hero. i said it four times he is a hero. i said it at the news conference, at the stage. said very clearly he is a war hero. i have absolutely no problem with that. >> people who were not captured do you think they are of higher value than those captured simply to understand the difference between someone swho is captured or not captured? >> no. i think they're all heroes.
i said they're all heroes. >> i want you to be honest. you do think john mccain is a hero. i know you do. >> i do. by the way, i said it. i actually said it four times, and i said it immediately i went off stage. i have respect for senator mccain. i used to like him a lot. i supported him, i raised a lot of money for his campaign against president obama. if there was a misunderstanding i would take that back. hopefully i said it correctly. certainly shortly thereafter i said it correctly. >> mika, i'm a little concerned. >> talk to me. >> i've been reading these newspapers that they sell and i've been watching these tv news shows that they show and i'm very concerned. it appears donald trump hasn't
called john mccain a war hero yet. >> i was trying to count. i lost count. >> let's be really transparent about this show this morning. >> okay. >> so i talked to mika late in the afternoon, and i said -- we were talking about how horrible it was what donald said. we like him personally but god it's so awful. i said but there's one thing that's bothering me mika. she said i know what it is. i said really? you've got terrible dandruff too? >> she said no no i was talking about donald. then we get back to the point that what was bothering me was all the news reports that i read were focused on this horrible deplorable five-second joke that donald trump gave but not the number of times -- almost immediately you could tell in
his mind boy, i screwed up on that one. he bobbles around fumbles around. he said i do think he's a hero. in the press conference after he does say he's a hero and all of this other stuff. then he spent all day yesterday saying that he was a hero and that he had called him a hero and i looked at all the news reports late afternoon. nobody was covering that. nobody. and there is a real danger for "the new york times" and "the washington post" and abc, cbs, nbc, everybody else that if they don't get this right -- i know they're trying to cut his head off for good reason. he said a horrible thing. he quoted a horrible joke from al franken. i understand. they all say this is the end of him. he's at the top of the polls now. they need to be very careful or people are going to tune them out. of course we've already said donald trump has to be careful. it's deplorable what he said.
we're shocked, stunned, deeply satd saddened by what he said. et cetera et cetera et cetera. at this point they're looking at a five-second horrible al franken joke and trying to end his presidential career. i think they're missing their target. gene robinson talked about it in his opinion ed this morning. >> we're going to look at the polls, too. i can see you're struggling and i think the fact that he said what he said five seconds of it, probably demanded an apology that one is never going to see. but if we continue to talk about it without recognizing what you're saying we're silly, too. so we do have a lot of coverage on this plus about four other stories for this block at least. with us onset former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner with charts on uber. >> uber. >> mika did he do charlts on the number of times that donald
trump called john mccain a war hero? >> no. when lost could. political writer and associate editor of "the washington post" eugene robinson n. columbus ohio mark halperin joins us. joe, the new "washington post"/abc news poll fiebds donald trump with 24% of the vote 11 points ahead of newly announced candidate scott walker and 12 points ahead of jeb bush. this is the biggest lead any republican candidate has posted since mitt romney flirted with a comeback early this year. the pollster said trump saw a significant drop-off in the day after his comments about john mccain's war service. his support had been 28% in the first three nights of polling and dropped to the single digits the day after his mccain remark. trump addressed the fallout in
an interview last night. >> i want you to be honest. you do think john mccain is a hero. i know you do. >> i do. by the way, i said it. i actually said it four times and i said it immediately after i went off stage. i have respect for senator mccain. i used to like him a lot. i supported him, raised a lot of money for his campaign against president obama. certainly if there was a misunderstanding, i would toel totally take that back. hopefully i said it correctly and certainly shortly thereafter i said it correctly. >> willie i know you have another poll you're going to share with us. before that what are your thoughts on the polls the past 24 to 36 hours and donald trump. >> it's fascinating. he's up double digits. the last day of the mools taken over four nights. that's when you saw some erosion, the day after the mccain comments.
i think what's really interesting he's up 11 points. when the same group of people were asked does trump's reviews the core values of the party? 56% said no. only 29% said yes. how about this number? if donald trump wins the nomination, would you definitely vote for him? 62% of the people responded said definitely not, they would not vote for him. there are contradictions everywhere. 24% of the people like his message, like he's mixing things up. when push comes to shove, they're not so sure they would vote for him to become president of the united states. >> there's the new iowa poll out, willie, where there wasn't wasn't a drop-off from before the comments and after the comments. i think a lot of people will be looking at the abc/"washington post" poll that we put up and wonder if that's an outlier. what does the monmouth poll tell
us? >> the monmouth poll has him in second place in iowa. scott walker has been strong, too. 22%. donald trump in second place at 13%. the "des moines register" has written an op ed trump should pull the plug on his believe eighting side show. in five weeks he's polluted the political waters to such an extent that serious candidates can't win a spot in one of the upcoming debates since those slots are reserved for slots leading in the polls. last week just before he decided to go after mccain trump was at the top of one national poll. being electable is not the same as being qualified. trump has proven himself not only to hold office but unfit to stand on the same stage as his republican opponents. the best thing he could do is
apologize to mccain and terminate this ill-conceive campaign. that's from the "des moines register." >> gene robinson, i know back in the '50s and '60s, whenever you would put an extra jolt of electricity to god sill sa you would take the monster down. for people who haven't read your op ed we confused a lot of people. you actually said donald trump is like godzilla electricity only makes him stronger. >> it does it does. the republican establishment is obviously apoplectic at donald trump's rise in the polls to the number one slot. 24% in this field is extraordinary and the party is freaking out and one understands why. but i think if they believe that this incident with mccain and
sure, what he said was deplorable and awful, but, yes, he did call him a war hero four times before and any number of times afterwards. but if they think this is enough to get donald trump out of the race i think they're nuts. it's not going to happen. i don't think his supporters are going to take their tutelage from the republican establishment or from the "des moines register." >> we'll have coming up what elizabeth warren said. right now let's get to other news. entering the race today is ohio governor john kasich officially becoming the 17th. he's positioned himself as a turning budget shortfalls into surpluses and unable to take some of the fiery positions oirs have. his last attempt to run in 2000 didn't go far. this time he's hovering at 2% or lower in the polls with a
critical cutoff for the upcoming fox debate. to mark halperin, you're there. is it possible for him to get that, to get in the debates? >> reporter: first of all, let me predict that trump will not get the "des moines register" endorsement. >> i'm thinking. >> columnbus dispatch can he get into the first year second year of candidates? on paper, governor of ohio successful as you said experienced in congress. on paper he should be a first-year candidate. super pac has raised a decent amount of money. can he take his personality and create magic? that's the element that i think he needs, not just to get into debate but can people see in his story, his life story and what he's accomplished here in ohio something that's special and magic, not just a midwestern
governor they ooefr never heard of. >> joe, i think it's so nice when a republican leader gives a democratic candidate a big gift like wrapped in a bow, little kissy marks all over it great to see that kind of unity, don't you think? >> i can't wait to see what this story is. >> has elizabeth warren been chosen to be an astronaut or something? >> no, we have that later. this is about senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, our friend, never really going to be an ardent supporter of hillary clinton. this is what he said yesterday at an event at home in kentucky. >> going to run straight left just like the president did, and their gamble is the country is further left than it used to be. let me tell you why i think that's a flawed strategy. i don't think arguing vote for me because i'm a woman is
enough. you may recall my election last year year. the gender card alone is not enough. i beat my opponent with women in my race because the gender card alone is not enough. i'm sure there are millions of americans who would love to have a woman president. the question is a woman president to do what? the clintons were major supporters of allison lund son grimes. here is how, joe, clinton reacted yesterday during a facebook chat. wow, if that's what he said mitch mcconnell really doesn't get it. there is a gender card being played in this campaign. it's played every time republicans vote against giving women equal pay, deny families access to affordable child care
or family leave, refuse to let women making decisions about their health. anyone who doesn't get that doesn't understand what our lives are like. steve rattner, that was sweet of him, mitch mcconnell. sometimes it was nice. >> it was a gift a nice gift. walked right into it. >> joe, what's behind -- was there a point that -- i'm not gong to ask you to say this there's no valid point to what he said. >> i'm not even sure that the secretary would disagree with him. her campaign not solely built around her gender. i think they've taken pains to have this huge platform all these other issues right? it's kind of silly i think. >> it just never works. just don't say those two words, willie, right? nobody wants to touch it. >> i think it's silly on its face, but i also don't think he's saying something that's not out there among people that she's just running to make
history. i don't think that's falling on deaf ears. he's connecting with some when he says that. >> also mika i've seen you sitting in that chair a thousand times saying that women are very excited to vote for her because they want a woman to be president. >> that's great. >> you said i go around and there are so many women, young girls and older women, they're so excited to vote for her because she's a woman. >> absolutely. >> i just don't know how that's a whole lot different from what mitch mcconnell said. >> i'll tell you what's different. it's the same thing that when president obama was running for president, there were people who could be very excited about the historic nature of it. republicans can't. they couldn't figure out how to get around that. whenever they did, they looked like racists. so now this is now sexist. it's unfortunate. it's like the words you can't say but skom people can say. >> is it sexist for you to say
it's going to be hard to beat hillary clinton because everybody is excited about the fact that she's a woman which is in fact what you said? >> that's absolutely not what i've said. i said people are excited about the historic nature of her candidacy, especially a lot of women. i think she's got massive backing and her husband and the clinton machine, that's what i've said is going to win. i don't even know if i think it's fair but that's what i think is going to win, not the fact she's a woman. >> a lot of people are excited, rightly. a lot of women in my family very excited about the fact that she's a woman. they're not goings oh i'm really excited to go vote for hillary clinton because of the great work she did when she was new york's junior senator. >> joe. >> i'm not knocking anything she's says but let's just stop pretending that barack obama didn't get a huge push in 2008 because he was a historic
candidate. and let's not pretend that hillary clinton is not going to get a huge push because she's going to be a historic candidate. before we start calling mitch mcconnell sexist -- >> i'm not, joe. one-word answer. on what planet would you say against a female opponent the gender card can't be played. there's not one planet in which that's okay -- >> sounds like you asked the question and answered it. mark halperin. >> my opinion is mitch mcconnell is such a brilliant strategist, he said i'm going to make a minor gaff. you can't run against a woman and say stuff like that. joe, i agree, on the merits nothing he said is different than what other people who supporters say. it's something the democrats are
looking to exploit every moment. if people make mistakes like mitch mcconnell made it's going to help the democrats, help hillary clinton a ton. i think mitch mcconnell was saying guys don't do this ever again. >> don't do this at home. >> or he just made a big mistake. >> that is a great spin halperin. i will say i ran over eight years against a lot of candidates the absolute toughest candidate i ran against, the toughest candidate to run against is a woman, and it is a minefield. i stepped on one or two mines. there were times i walked out of debates that i won so overwhelmingly and the crowds were cheering so loudly that the next day they talked about how mean the crowd was to my
opponent. and there were other times i stumbled into other minefields. you never know what's going to get you. i think mitch mcconnell has done the republican party a tremendous service by telling them whatnot to do. >> no question the press will side with democrats whenever there's one of these fights. >> i wanted to get to my uber charts we'll do that later. still ahead on "morning joe," former senator chris dodd joins us to mark the anniversary of the law that bears his name. also with us mayor of wad mural bowser. the australian surfer is speaking out about the terrifying moments -- >> first, let's have our first terrifying moment. >> i swim with sharks every day here. >> bill karins what's the forecast?
>> hot and humid. dangerous fords the weekend. it's been very hot. but it's going to get a lot worse over the upcoming weekend. here is the peak indexes in the soigt. at 3:00 p.m. you can drive from texas to savannah and it will feel like 100 to 110 degrees. these are the actual temperatures over the next three days. southern heat continues, dallas near 100 the next couple days. upper 90s across the deep south. the opposite in the ohio valley. this is as nice of a three-day stretch you'll get in the middle of july. in chalk, 79 to 82 low humidity. new york city should get a heat wave, three days in a row, near 90 degrees today, then we cool it off. d.c. lower humidity. here is the dangerous stuff. this is friday's heat index. watch what happens. as we go into saturday afternoon. we jump to 108 in shreveport. kansas city 109. it looks like sunday will be worse. 115 it could feel like in
louisiana. 108 in st. louis. you get the picture. the heat is here to stay and it's going to get a lot worse in the middle of the country as we go throughout this weekend. we leave you with a shot of washington, d.c. humidity is down a little bit, but it's still very warm. considering how hot and humid you can be this time of year i think we'll take it. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is why do you have that insurance company? with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. you focus on making great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be
mika is still kind of absorbing what went on with trump yesterday in the coverage. >> yeah. i think that it's kind of a fine balance because we have to cover it because all the candidates are talking about it and it's still a story, but i do think it needs to be put in perspective if you look at what he said. again, as we were saying on the set, a blip. >> two words, "i'm sorry." >> i think that's the lesson out of this for him. if he's capable of drawing that lesson willie the coverage was
disproportionate perhaps to what he said after he called john mccain a war hero. i think we counted 15 20 times just in our opening clip. but he could have made it so much easier by saying on sunday what he said on bill o'reilly last night which is i think he's a hero and if i said anything that upset him, i take it back. >> because the first words out of his mouth were that john mccain is not a war hero. that was his first instinct then he came out. >> oh really last night is as close last night as you'll get to an apology which is if someone misunderstood, i would take it back. it's not exactly i'm sorry, but as close as donald will get. incredible details in the times of the inmate's escape from a maximum security prison back in june. convicted murderer david sweat opening up. the paper writes this a mack
gooifer likens of ingenuity but a story of neglect by those who were supposed to keep mr. sweat behind bars. he sawed a hole in the back of his cell in january and roamed the tunnels at 11:30 p.m. head count and coming back at 5:30 a.m. the next morning. at one point he found a sewer pipe. he reportedly told investigators the two had joked that while it had taken andy the main character in the movie 20 years to escape. it would take them only ten. according to sweat he discovered the team pipe he and richard matt would use in may. when joyce mitchell failed to show up with the getaway car, the two were forced to flee in the woods. matt was shot and killed. sweat was captured two days
later, now held in solitary confinement. his superintendent at the clinton correctional facility two senior members and nine corrections officers were placed on administrative leave following escape and review by the inspector general is on going. he was for six hours a night for months and months and months wandering the back halls of this prison. surf champ nick fanning is back at home in australia, speaking out about his encounter with that shark. the live video of the 35-year-old fighting off the attack during a surfing competition in south africa made headlines around the world. today fanning spoke out about the moment the shark attacked and what happened when he boarded the plane home. >> as the wave went my board was sort of off and i was trying to get to my board. all of a sudden it came back again. that's when i just tried to position myself away it, to the
side of it and it just was right there. that's when i -- i don't know if i punched it hard or if it was little baby punches, i don't know. i just sort of went into fight or flight really. i'm doing okay really. i haven't got a scratch on me. just sort of more of an emotional mental sort of trauma right now. it will probably take i don't know, a couple weeks months i don't know. i don't know how long it's going to take. i'm lucky i've got really good people around me. >> i was sitting next to a lady and she opened up the newspaper and there it was on the front page of the paper. she was like oh is this you? i just saw the photo and all the emotion came back. i had to look out the window. tears started running down my face. and then i had to work myself up to be able to read the article.
>> so willie incredible story. comparisons going around on the internet. one of my favorites, soccer players versus surfers. the picture on the left has a soccer player going, yeah i tripped on my shoestring and need to be taken off on a stretcher, and the surfer says attacked by a shark in the final competition, yeah i punched it in the back. >> there you go. >> through couple haymakers at the shark. >> then you've got to respect the man that the keep the branding going, holding a red bowl in his hand during the press conference. why are surfers so universally cool? >> the best job in the world. >> is there any uncool surfer? >> no. golf's open championship was decided by a three-man play-off
jordan spieth's quest for a grand slam has come to annd the second ranked golfer in the world battled back from a double bogy to gain a share of the lead after sinking a 50-foot birdie putt with two holes to play. unbelievable. spieth then missed an eight-footer on 17 on the road hole. that's a bogey t. putt just left of the hole. his efforts for a third straight major go left as well. instead it's 39-year-old zach johnson who finished at 6 under 66 in regulation sinking a 30-foot birdie on 18 to be the first player to post a 15 under, followed into by louie hooft hazen and marc leishman scoring higgs second career major. he was emotional after the win. >> i'm grateful.
i'm humbled. thankful. i'm honored. is the birthplace of the game and that jug means so much in sports specifically this tournament and golf. it hasn't set in yet, tom, i've got to be honest. i feel great. i felt great. i was patient. i had some scripture going in my head. i thank the lord. i thank my friends, my family. i'm in awe right now. >> the american zach johnson has won the masters and the open at st. andrews. pretty good career to put together. >> great career to put together. obviously a very emotional guy. that is the birthplace of golf and i watched it yesterday. i don't usually have time to sit down and watch golf tournaments. i did yesterday. and what an ending to that open and what great history there, too, willie. when you took the turn with
watson in '79, it had to be very special with you. >> i don't like to talk about it. went into the bunker on the road hole and it was downhill from there. you notice watching that tournament jordan spieth who had this incredible disappointment and people were talking about was he going to win the grand slam he sat outside and watched the rest of the tournament. after zach johnson won and had his moment went down on the 18th hole shook his hand gave him a hug and congratulate him. this kid who will be 22 next monday is not only playing better than anyone in the world, playing with such incredible class. this guy is going to be a star on many levels for a long long time. >> he really is. i've got to say the entire nature and spirit of the leaders there yesterday, markedly different than when tiger woods was at the top of the game. this is something you won't hear from fawning sports supporters that follow golfers, but there's
almost an entirely different vibe surrounding golf where you have these three guys fighting for their professional life yesterday. they couldn't have been more respectful and decent to each other. and then as you said jordan spieth coming up there at the end, it was a really really great sporting event yesterday. and the history and the 50-mile-an-hour winds, just very special. >> a fun tournament. >> on tomorrow's show former house majority leader eric cantor stops by for the first time since his surprising defeat in last year's primary. up next uber versus bill deblasio. steve rattner has charts that break down the new york city street fight that almost everyone in the city is taking a side on and could be coming the a city near you. "morning joe" is back in a moment. at about a deal? terry, stop!
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38 past the hour. is there traffic in times square? it's already starting. as we've been discussing lately the fight between uber and new york city mayor bill deblasio is heating up. steve rattner has charts on what's behind the rapid rise of the ride sharing service, steve. what are you looking at? >> let's take a look at how ub ser doing on a nationwide basis. it's one of the most extraordinary phenomena i can remember seeing. ub ser the most valuable startup
in the country, in the world. you can see what's happening in a short period of time across the u.s. if you go back just one year taxis had about a 74% of all ground transportation service travel, at 43. uber at 26% one year ago is now 55%. >> steve, this just happened in a year's time? >> that's insane. >> joe f you go back to the beginning of 2014 uber had about 15% and taxis had 85%. >> what's happened over the past year? was there just a tipping point where old idiots like me go, "uber? i'll try that." >> remember uber has only been around four or five years. it's what you call a network effect. you start with a few cars you
have to wait a long time. there are more ubers on the streets of new york thaniel low cabs now. so you can get one in two or three minutes as everybody i'm sure on this set and watching this knows, and people start to use it. the average ride is about $4.00 cheaper than a taxi so it becomes a service f. you look at some of these numbers by city you'll see really extraordinary phenomena. in san francisco uber is up to 79% of ground transportation for business, 54% in l.a. uber started out in san francisco, so that's not so surprising. in miami one year ago uber essentially didn't exist. it had a 1% share one year ago. it now has 32%. 43% in d.c. where there's been also some pushback and in new york, as we led into this an enormous amount of pushback 31%. needless to say, this has had a fairly significant effect on the taxi industry. one way to measure that is by
looking at the price of a new york city taxi medallion, what a driver has to pay to drive his car. the medallion values rose up very sharply, over a million at their peak in 2013. now down to $800,000 with no sign of the decline ending. this is what we call capitalism. >> it's a better product and a better service. you taken a cab in d.c. lately? >> not just cabs. it's zip cars. how about car service sf. >> this has caused an enormous firestorm in new york where the mayor is claiming uber is creating congestion. the average speed of a car on the streets of new york has risen from eight miles an hour to 9.1 miles per hour over the last few years. most people think that's because the economy is better and because there are more people.
it is also true that mayor deblasio got $350,000 in political contributions from the taxi commission. so we can all decide what the motivations are. it's an interesting case where you have the average person versus a progressive mayor. >> joe, i remember when david plouffe joined uber that we thought it was an interesting choice. it makes a lot of sense now. >> it makes a lot of sense, and it is straight capitalism. it's straight free markets. i remember staying away from uber, being very critical of uber. i had two or three bad taxi experiences in a row. i finally one day said screw it i'm going to try uber. i tried it and i haven't had a bad experience yet. it's just straight capitalism straight free markets, and i think it's a real problem for bill de blasio to step in it
looks like because he's got power. supporters in the taxi industry. >> if you take away the political contributions and look at this in a volume -- there's pushback in other cities san francisco, other places. do they have legitimate concerns about uber? >> i don't think they're legitimate concerns in terms of traffic. even "the new york times" wroed an editorial saying deblasio was wrong. the other issue is the treatment of the drivers. they are independent contractors. they're not employees, they don't get the same benefits as an employee would get. that's a probably more legitimate issue, but that's one you can solve by a piece of legislation. david plouffe, to your point, is spending a lot of time in new york right now. >> i bet he is. steve, thank you so much. up next richard haass is making predictions for the nobel peace prize. before secretary john kerry can collect his hardware the
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today you've awarded a great prize to the most dangerous country in the world. i hate to be the one who spoil it is party, but someone has to say that the emperor has no clothes. today is a very sad day, not only pour the state of israel but for the entire world. >> that was israel's ambassador yesterday at the u.n. not pleased at all that a resolution for a nuclear deal with iran passed the security council. joining us now, the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. i wish he had minced words more. he was very clear and calls it bad news for the world.
is it? >> he's under instructions he has to do that. i think what the administration was hoping the do with the u.n. vote was in some ways lock the congress in. i don't think it will work. i think congress will vote the way it votes. but what it also shows is if the u.s. decides not to go along with the agreement where the rest of the world is. we're not exactly on the same page. i think it sends a little bit of a message. everybody else is ready to sign onto the deal. it's a message f united states choose z not to again, would be pretty much isolated. >> joe? >> benjamin netanyahu said on the same day u.s. passes resolution khomeini sent out a youtube video talking about death to israel. before we roll our eyes -- i'm not saying you dead i'm saying the person to your immediate
left did. we have to remember this is happening at the same time that iran is still promoting death to israel as a chant. >> it underscores, joe, the hopes that somehow this agreement will be, quote, unquote, transformational and lead iran to be closer to switzerland, it's just that. a wild hope. it can't be serious thinking or analysis or strategy. what this agreement can do is for 10 or 15 years put a ceiling on selective iranian capabilities. what it can't do is in any way affect iranian intentions. in its own way, the ayatollah has been make that clear. the ayatollah never got the e-mail that in a negotiation, one of the things you're supposed to do is say things that make it less difficult for the other side to manage its domestic politics. clearly that one again never
reached him. >> we had a guest on yesterday that said this doesn't stop iran from getting a bone vgt it postpones it to 2025 and in the intervening years gives them tons of money and credibility on the world stage. what do you think of that? >> the real problem with this agreement is that it complies after 10 or 15 years it's legally able to amass all the prerequisites of a large scale nuclear weapons program. what i think that argues for is we better quickly better start thinking about the follow-on agreement. iran is not precluded, we are not precluded from laying down what we believe must follow on this agreement or the consequences that would flow to iran i.e. more sanctions for potential use of military force. it's just a reminder that this agreement in no way solves the iranian nuclear conundrum. it buys you 10 or 15 years at a price. it makes the aftermath more difficult and clearly makes the next 10 or 15 years more
difficult when it comes to iran's regional active. once they have 100 to $150 billion more in their treasury they're going to have the resources to be more active throughout the region. >> gene robinson? >> richard, i wanted to change the subject a bit and ask about something that happened yesterday, the raising of the cuban flag above what used to be the cuban intersection now the cuban embassy and the raising of the american flag above what is now the u.s. embassy in havana. where do you see this leading and how quickly? >> it was an extraordinary day. after 54 years, a standoff you had the flag go up here and the next month it will go up when the secretary of state visits. i don't see the embargo coming downey time soon. we obviously have concerns about cuban human rights capabilities. they don't much like besides the embargo, the open-ended lease for guantanamo for which
they receive a grand sum of $4,000 a year. each side has its agenda. my sense is that this will put in motion the relationship and i can't give you the exact pace or sequencing but i think the process is something that looks like normalization, gene is under way. this is actually an interesting experiment. for 50 years we had the experiment which didn't work of isolating cuba to see if that brought about the kind of cuba we wanted to seechlt now we have interaction in place. i think the question is whether this will bring about a more open cuba that treats its own people better. >> richard, stay with us if you could. coming up, we'll go live to ohio where governor john kasich is about to join the race for president. kasie hunt has a look at some of the republican's defines moments from capitol hill to a not-so-mellow moment with the grateful dead. on thursday presidential candidate rick santorum joins us on the show. keep it right here on "morning
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mccain -- if he gets captured they get captured. they're brave men because they're in the field. you have people that got captured. i respect them also. >> you do not think that's a war hero captured or not. >> i didn't say anything differently. >> four times i said he is a hero. >> i said four times that mccain is a war hero. i said it at the news conference. i said it on the stage, i said very clearly he is a war hero. i have absolutely no problem with that. >> people who were not captured do you think they're of higher value than those captured just to understand the difference between someone not captured and captured. >> i said they're all heros. >> i want you to be honest you do think john mccain is a hero. i know you do. >> i do and i said it. i said it four times. i have respect for senator
mccain. i used to like him a lot. i supported him and raised a lot of money for his campaign against president obama and if there was a misunderstanding i would totally take that back but hopefully i said it correctly and shortly there after i said it correctly. top of the hour. welcome back to morning joe. i lost count again and we have amy holmes at the table with us and look at the front page of the washington post. everybody is talking about this donald trump story and as we will as well because there's developments and polls to talk about but right below bernie sanders still surging just as much of a story as donald trump and he's not a celebrity or well-known or a household name and here he is side by side with
donald trump on the first page of the washington post. >> in the era of bush and clinton we have two disruptors on both sides. some political scientists would say it would be inevitable that there would be disruptors there but bernie sanders drawing bigger crowds than hillary clinton. >> than donald trump. >> and now you have donald trump doubling jeb bush in the polls. i counted 15 times he called john mccain a hero. and keep showing the clip where he said something deplorable and not report on the 10 or 15 times he called john mccain a war
hero. certainly this is all on trump. he made the despicable comment and backtracked from it almost immediately. he told a very bad joke and got laughter from the audience but it was deplorable and it seems to me calling john mccain a war hero 15 to 20 times over the past couple of days may do something to change the media's narrative on this. and just say the guy doesn't know how to say i'm sorry but to continue to pretend that all he said was that very bad punch line that's going to blow up in the media's faces at the end of the day. >> so richard haas is looking very quizzical here. what's that? >> his initial point is the large point about american politics right now. it reminds me of europe. you have far left and far right parties doing well. you have a degree of
disaffection of pop youulism. you can attribute it to the lack of middle class standards and livings and there's something going on out there where a lot of people are feeling uncomfortable and we're seeing a gravitation toward the two end zones. that's to me the bigger story about the framing of the selection much more than a comment by donald trump. >> and look at the poll numbers really quickly. why don't we just throw up the poll and look at that. i mean some pretty amazing numbers isn't it. >> yeah abc news poll washington post finds trump with 24% of the vote. 11 points ahead of newly announced candidate scott walker. 12 points ahead of jeb bush. so there is concern at a there's a significant drop off in support after these comments about mccain's war service so
we'll see as we go down the road. trump's support had been 28% in the first three nights of polling and dropped to the single digits the day after his mccain remark. it's the constant media coverage as well and we have to look at what happened. gene writes about that. >> gene robinson writes what we've been saying this morning. attacking donald trump only seems to make him stronger. my guess is those that speak of trump in the past tense are guilty of wishful thinking. there's two things about trump that politicians find nearly impossible to understand. he has nothing to lose and as long as people talk about him he doesn't care what they say. for yet another week the republican campaign is about him, not about anyone else. in trump's world that's called winning. even if the mccain flap were to cost trump fully half his support which i think is unlikely he'd still be a top
tier candidate. the gop isn't free of hill yet. godzilla is still on the loose and when you hear other candidates on tv talking they're talking about donald trump. he's consuming the air in the room. >> he is: they're being pushed on immigration. he raised it and they have to talk about it and now they have to talk about him and as long as everybody is talking about him he's doing pretty well. i just don't think this kills the trump candidacy at all. i think richard haas made an interesting point. the sanders thing is not an exact anlage. he's polling around 15%. but there's an antipolitician
appeal to trump and sanders and a disaffection out there i think with politics as it has been practiced with politicians that practiced politics in a certain way that's turning people off so here comes donald trump. >> and here comes bernie sanders, gene because the one difference between the two of them beyond the fact that one is not a celebrity or household name and is getting bigger crowds he worked in washington and negotiated with the opposition in some ways effectively as john mccain said in our show yesterday. >> and he has a consistent record when it comes to his policies and appealing to the progressive left of the democratic party. unlike donald trump that when you put more scrutiny on trump with political positions and policy positions you see a lot of opportunism. but in terms of raising the issue of immigration what we're seeing with the mccain flap is his bottomless capacity it seems to step on his own message.
so here we are talk about john mccain, is he a hero is he not a hero not only is it stepping on the other candidates and not allowing them to come to the fore but republicans voters aren't hearing about his other positions. >> but a very good point with a rank and file politician that toiled in the field for 30 years. if they tried to run for the republican party and in the past had given money to hillary clinton and explained that by saying, hey, i worked in new york city. i wanted to get ahead, they would have been wiped to the side but to your gozilla anlage they go at least he's honest. we've been saying this for sometime around this set. the rules of the game that apply
to everybody else do not seem to apply to donald trump. >> that's right. he doesn't play by the rules. he doesn't even play the same game and the thing is people are tired of the game. they don't like the game. the fact that donald trump plays a different game is at the very least intriguing to people and at the very least gives them a chance to express their dissatisfaction with politics and politicians and then we'll see if it goes beyond that but i keep in mind you know an anlage from some place else. the billionaire in italy and playboy and, you know this guy that did those parties and everything, he managed to become prime minister of italy.
i'm not saying donald trump is going to be president. i'm just saying. >> at some point we're going to show what elizabeth warren said about donald trump. alex do we have that yet? >> alex just said no i don't know what you're talking about. >> oh my god. >> i guess alex -- >> i'll go pull the tape in the back. >> we need to ascribe to the elizabeth warren fan club. >> in a few hours governor john kasich will join the field. the only blemish running against another republican named bush. casey hunt looks at why this time could be different. >> i like to tell republicans and sometimes they don't like to hear it you are not going to fix the basic problems of this country without both parties being involved. >> ohio governor john kasich can sound differ from the 15 other republicans running for
president. >> just read matthew 25. did you feed the hungry? did you clothe the naked? if we're doing things like that that is conservatism. >> he doesn't necessarily govern like them either. favors a path to citizenship. >> at the end of the day it may be necessary. i'm open to it. i'll tell you that. >> and even voted for an assault weapon's ban. >> sometimes as a leader you have to walk a lonely road. >> this could be a tough sell with conservative primary voters but he's been elected twice in the state that all but decides the general election. >> i want 86 out of 88 counts. cuyahoga county i carried. >> he grew up near pittsburgh. the son of a mailman. raised catholic but drifted from religion until his parents were killed by a drunk driver. >> i searched for what the lord wants me to do and i know that my purpose on this earth whether i'm the governor or whether i'm
a has been is to bring about a healing. >> he went to ohio state and served nine terms in congress. he lead the budget committee during the contentious fiscal fights during the 1990 playing a key role in balancing the budget. >> end the gillics, stop delaying and balance the budget. >> he struggles to raise money and drops out to endorse george w. bush. >> what did you learn from running against george w. bush in 2000? >> i was too young. i didn't have any money and hasn't accomplished much. >> now many republican voters know him from the fox news show he hosted before he was governor. the key questions, whether he has the discipline for a long campaign and whether the man that once got thrown out of a grateful dead concert can keep his prickly personality out of the way. >> my wife said cnn comes on and
we've got a story about the congressman and the grateful dead and she was like that better not be john and it was. >> casey joins us from ohio. what do you think his strategy is to break through? >> well on paper he looks like he should rise to the top of the field. the democrats may have run in the past but there's not a lot of oxygen in this room right now. donald trump is taking up a lot of it. his advisors will say they need jeb bush to make a big mistake for kasich to break out. the top four being jeb bush marco rubio, scott walker and they hope they can add john kasich to that list. if they're going to do it it is likely to be in new hampshire. he can't sell himself too easily with iowa conservatives. medicaid, for example, he didn't
just agree to expand it he fought with a republican legislature to push that through. there's potential issues there with conservatives. new hampshire on the other hand could be a place where he could break out. >> so joe, you served with him. what do you make of his candidacy. some might see it as futile. he's very personal for me. john kasich is the reason that i decided to rub. i decided i wanted to help him balance the budget and get up to washington and was very excited to work with him. i think for anybody that knows john kasich he is an inspirational guy. does he have the discipline to run a presidential campaign over many many months but if he does he's the sort of guy that could catch fire in new hampshire. he won't do it the traditional
way. he'll do it town hall meeting by town hall meeting. voter by voter. handshake by handshake and you could turn around if he works really really hard you could turn around early next year and see kasich in the top two or three and let's see what happens but it's not going to be easy for him but this field just look at the numbers. this field is wide open and anything can happen. >> so many candidates. >> so many candidates and if you compare and contrast the national number with the primary numbers. we're talking about donald trump and how he's surging past his competitors but in iowa scott walker has a nine point lead by trump. >> he's the one to watch. >> also john kasich a lot of people think he would be the ideal vice presidential candidate given how strong he is
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>> 20 past the hour. bloomberg is reporting that jay johnson and members of his senior staff have been using personal e-mail accounts from work computers even after the practice was banned last year. the rule was put in place after hackers breached the office of personnel management last july. the use of internet web mail or other personal e-mail accounts is not authorized over dhs
furnished equipment. some officials got exceptions from the policy but they're going forward all access to personal accounts has been suspended. according to the bloomburg report it remains unclear whether or not johnson and his staffers conducted official dhs business on their private accounts. the department spokesperson noted that the use of personal e-mail for official purposes is quote, strictly prohibited. >> this is outrageous. >> after all of this to then go and use personal e-mail. >> it's not like you were talking about the secretary of hud or education. this is department of homeland security. >> i'm thinking that i'm not sure the extent of the way they were using it personally but i guess they should have a separate personal e-mail. >> i don't understand. we're talking about the
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but i do want to say something about donald trump because i think it's really worth noting that donald trump calling john mccain anything other than a hero is just donald trump being a blow hard. >> look joe. he found it. yeah. that was elizabeth warren. >> he found it. >> i don't know where it was. but he found it. that's good. now he knows about it too. joining us now republican congressman jim jordan of ohio. do you want to weigh in on donald trump? >> john mccain is a hero. what he said was wrong. i like mr. mccain. we got to work together on a few things. my background is the sport of wrestling and he has a background in the same sport. john mccain is a good man and it's unfortunate what donald trump had to say about him. >> let's move on to a couple of different issues that you guys will be confronting in washington. the iran deal. what's your position on that and where do you think the stumbling blocks are and ultimately do you
think it needs to move forward? >> i don't. i think there's real problem with this agreement. first of all we were told to stop iran from becoming a nuclear nation. now that's no longer the goal. in fact this spells out how they're going to get there over a certain amount of time but you have the fact that $150 billion is freed up to use for all kind of bad things. the arms embargo is lifted and you have israel and the arab nations all agreeing that this is a bad deal. i think it's a bad deal and should be turned down but the burden is tough right now when we did the legislation the burden was shifted and now we need a super majority to disapprove this thing and with what happened with the united nations it's going to be tough but we need to take the case to the american people and have the debate in congress and turn this thing down. >> joe. >> but congressman unfortunately the president may pass one of the most significant pieces --
well most significance foreign relations deal in decades by actually vetoing the will of the house and the senate. what can you do if he vetoes a piece of legislation, especially when you still have them talking about death to israel? >> yeah you have to make the case and we have to try to override it. again, that is a tough burden. it's going to be difficult but i hope we can. because when the prime minister of israel says what a bad deal this is when the folks in saudi arabia tell us what a bad deal this is that should tell us something. it's not in the best interest of the world or israel or my judgment for the safety of the world. there's going to be a big debate over the next 60 days. >> but if you happen to be successful then where we are? we're back to square one. is there really any realistic
pop possibility of reimposing sanctions. >> if the united states leads. one of the reasons you saw the other nations saying we want to move away from the sanctions is they didn't see the united states saying let's double down on those sanctions. though were working. so we go back to the sanctions and we show the united states is committed to those based on what the united states congress just said and then you can bring the people back in line and put the sanctions on iran and get to a much better agreement which should be the goal for the safety of our country and best ally israel and the world. >> and i'll put this to you. here's what the wall street journal's editorial says. obama's u.n. first gambit the security council vote means that the process of lifting economic saixs is now underway and the pact will roll forward. the international coalition and sanctions regime can't be
reassembled. this has been mr. obama's strategy all along to present congress with a political fait accomli. even if mr. obama does veto a resolution of disapproval it would be a forceful statement to iran and the world that mr. obama is acting without the support of the american people. i'm not sure where the american people stand. i think they're a little war weary and i'm not sure they see a lot of other options here. >> they may be but we have to have the debate in congress. there's 60 days and there will be the debate and spell it out and if we can get the super majority required to override the president's veto which i think will happen if we can get that super majority we can make the case and send that message. the american people through their congress has spoken and said mr. president this is not the deal we want. we want something better that's in the interest of security for our country and israel and as i said the entire world.
>> all right jim jordan. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you. >> coming up it was a historic day yesterday as embassies opened in washington and havana. our next guest is being floated as the possible ambassador to cuba. chairman of the motion picture association of america, chris dodd will join us next. prep trauma unit 5. what've we got? bp 64/40 sterilize sites. multiple foreign objects in the body. tweezers. (buzz!) (buzz!)
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the dodd frank wall street reform and consumer protection act turns 5 today and joining us now one of the bill's sponsors. former democratic senator from connecticut and former chairman and ceo of the motion picture association of america and friend of morning joe, chris dodd. very good to have you on the show this morning. >> good to be with you. >> joe, go ahead. well we were going to ask him about havana. are you going to be the next ambassador to cuba?
>> it might be possible. >> no i just renewed my contract with the motion picture association. i'll spend the next three years dealing with one of the great american industries the american film and television industries. >> so -- >> but it would make perfect sense to go from hollywood to havana since the politics are so similar? >> you're remote from florida this morning joe i gather. >> something like that. >> well let's talk about five years later. the dodd frank bill is still very controversial in some quarters. the biggest knock we hear when we're out on the road is too big to fail has gotten bigger. even even bigger. is that something that's just inevitable or how does dodd frank moving forward reform the system? >> there's so many pieces of this but unlike the health care
bill there's no efforts to repeal the bill. you hear that talk. the bill is really working. the best evidence is we have the consumer protection bureau doing an incredible job. the too big to fail provisions. you have stress tests that have required funeral plans within each of these institutions. you have a resolution authority and obviously we hope you never have to test it but those provisions are in place. the amount of capital that banks are required to have. it's 600 billion more than four years ago. you have better leverage than we did before. a lot more liquid assets so the likelihood of having too big to fail isdy diminished significantly. there's major problems in terms of equality and opportunity but i think the bill itself overall is performing as we hoped it would. obviously we'll test at some point but we think we put in place, they did a lot of work on
the provisions. shelby offered the first amendment. i joined him and got 90 votes on the floor on the senate to end too big to fail. we did everything we thought we could in the bill to minimize what people complain the most about and you could not do today what we did five years ago. it's now against the law in effect to write a $700 billion check from the american taxpayer to bailout lending institutions or financial institutions. >> your last point i think is exactly what worries a lot of people on wall street. no one wants to bailout and reward institutions that have gone arye but people feel that the fed's ability to lend under emergency situations they used last time has been very severely prescribed and essentially prohibited by the law. people worry if it does get in trouble and it's in the interest of the american people to do something to keep it from spreading the fed will no longer
have those powers. >> that's a good point and the answer to that question is simply this, i can't imagine a circumstance today where a congress would vote to do what we did in the fall of 2008 and secondly even if you won it through the federal reserve system to do it you'd have to go back to congress it seems to me and if you got to that situation and decide that's the only thing to do go to congress and get permission to do it but i can't imagine today or see at any time in the near future where any congress one controlled by democrats or republicans that would vote to do what we did in the fall of 2008 and that was the opening. if we didn't deal with too big to fail the bill would have failed. >> how many wall street is so angry at your party see. we see campaign contributions from wall street has really trailed off and dropped to the democrats. there's a basic realignment where investment banks and their donors are hostile to the party.
can that change? >> it does. depends on individual candidates. the rhetoric has been substantial and that done help obviously the situation and i think a lot of it has been because they caused people to have anxiety but when you get a chance to talk to people. i had a call a few weeks ago from a major lending institution and he said i'm a better bank today result of the dodd frank legislation we passed. you're seeing more and more of that. institutions are way ahead of the regular youtors. so things are settling down a little bit and you'll see in the campaign season coming up that they'll pick out candidates they support. people take various positions but i don't anticipate them to walk away from an entire political party as some suggested. >> amy. >> so the fed is now requiring larger capital for our largest
banks, capital reserves how big of a deal is this that banks are being required to take their own steps so they don't become too big to fail? >> it's important and i mentioned earlier some of the things required for them to do. but you'll recall i once said we only do one thing, then capital requirements would have been the one thing i suggested. that was going to provide the stability that was lacking. reducing leverage and creating the assets of these institutions. there's steps being taken. while some think it was excessive i think it was the right steps. the absence of which would have made it difficult to have the sustained growth and stability within our financial institutions. >> i'm just wondering. i'll bifgive you a choice. donald trump or bernie sanders. >> thank, i appreciate it.
listen i'm watching this obviously sitting in the bleachers no longer engaged in the day-to-day business of politics but putting aside suggesting john mccain is not a war hero. i've heard a lot of ludicrous statements in my life but that may be the most ludicrous in a long time. putting aside those issues joe or someone else or you pointed this out there's frustration over how they see their own future and the future of their families and people showing up for bernie sanders and donald trump, it's a reflection of that frustration. we ought not lose sight of that. hillary clinton is strong. when i hear that she has not been supportive of financial reform legislation, she was a leader of derivative. great support when i wrote the credit card legislation. she's been a stunning supporter of trying to see to it that
financial reform issues would be part of the agenda for a long time. i'm confident that he'll to well but we ought to take note of the fact that the frustration is reel and candidates need to address that frustration and donald trump and bernie sanders are are tapping into it. people are showing up because they're giving voice to it. >> interesting. >> but senator, bernie sanders success has much to do with the frustration that many progressives believe the democratic party remains too close to wall street even five years after dodd frank. >> there's some of that as well but i also think it's about pay. it's not so much about wall street. that's the language people use but it's more about their own ability to send their kids to school. to afford a home. to be able to retire with dignity and security. it's broader than whether or not you like provisions or think the banks ought to be opened up or not.
that's part of it but deeper and more personal than what's happening on wall street. >> it's always great to see you. let us know if something changes, havana. we would love to come visit. good to have you on the show again. >> thanks for having me too. >> thank you. >> profiling the chattanooga shooter as one presidential candidate prepares legislation to arm military recruiting stations. plus a quite boy shares the night of his life with the most popular girl in high school but the next day she is nowhere to be found. we'll look at the new teen mystery movie "paper towns." keep it right here on morning joe. i'm caridee. i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season.
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suspected isis suicide bomber killed at li 30 people in a turkish town near the syrian border yesterday. the white house called it a quote, heinous terror attack and turkey's prime minister said security measures on the border will be increased in the aftermath. that comes as american and iraqi intelligence officials say the group's leader has begun delegating power to his top deputies. sources say it's part of a contingency plan that insures isis is able to continue fighting should he be killed. and senator rand paul is
working on a bill to allow members of the military to carry guns on bases and at recruiting stations. he could introduce the lenl slagz as soon as this week. it occurred in the wake of the chattanooga shootings. miguel almaguer reports on the troubled young man accused in the shooting. >> the fbi now focused on this chattanooga area apartment. a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation tells nbc news officials are looking into whether at least two equatances of the suspect knew of his intentions in the months prir to the attack. before he opened fire on two military facilities killing five he sometimes expressed anti-american feelings, says a family spokesman. when he was, quote, vulnerable the gunman was drawn to extremist views. in his darkest moments, thought of jihad.
his parents never thought he was a real threat though the spokesman said he was depressed, hooked on drug lgz and suicidal before he pulled the trigger. >> there are many people in america who never commit an act he committed. >> the family spokesman said the gunman's parents last saw them on tuesday, arguing about his dui, the start of a drug-fueled three-day bender. he rented the mustang convertible he used in the shooting speeding through chattanooga with friends before the bloodshed. many who knew him there was no indiction he harbored these beliefs. there remains no official link or motive to any radical organizations. a family spokesman said the parents knew their son was struggling but never thought he would be capable of this. >> miguel almaguer with that report. joe, let's move on to one of the
biggest sport scandals in history. outgoing fifa president sepp blatter was in a speech when someone went on the stage and declared himself a delegate. >> excuse me? sorry. this is starting -- we're starting a press conference. >> come on, come on. >> ladies and gentlemen, we have to clean here first. otherwise, i will not be able to speak to you, ladies and gentlemen. when we speak about football. this has nothing to do with football.
>> yeah. and so much more. so much of what he did for so long had nothing to do with football, either. had to do with money. it is sort of surreal that this guy is still holding press conferences with fifa behind him. i suspect if he's worried about cleanliness, he better hope he gets a maximum security prison that has cleaning duty. >> scary at first. >> this guy should go to jail. >> well the meeting marked blatter's first public appearance since he resigned from his post last month over the corruption scandal. i hope they cleaned up for him. finally, a new soccer star comes to the cover of one of the sports world's most popular video game. video game maker ea sports will feature alex morgan who helped lead the women's national team to the 2015 world cup. the new version will be the first to include women's teams
from 12 different countries in the playing lineup. morgan says she's honored to be featured on the cover and hoped this is another step in eliminating the inequity between men and women's soccer. especially, i'm sure in how they're paid right? right. >> that's actually a very very big development. roger bennett wrote a story about how soccer in america is taking off this time as opposed to the 20 other times they said soccer in america was taking off, because people like my son when he was back in college would play fifa soccer. as much as they played madden football. the fact women are now getting parity on the cover of that that's actually fairly significant and really good news. >> money to follow. up next while donald trump continues to face criticism for his remarks against senator john mccain we'll look at how many times he did call the senator a war hero. >> plus after today, there will
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i'm not blaming john mccain. >> excuse me. >> he gets captured he gets captured. they're brave men because they were in the field. you have people who got captured. >> you do not think that is a war hero captured or not? >> i didn't s anything differently. four times i said he is a hero. i said four times that mccain is a war hero. i said it at the news conference. i said it from the stage. i said very clearly he is a war hero. i have absolutely no problem with that. >> people who were not captured do you think they are of higher value than those who are captured just to understand the difference between someone who is captured and not heroed. >> no i think they're all heroes. they're all heroes. >> i want you to be honest. you do think john mccain is a hero. i know you do. >> i do. by the way, i said it. i actually said it four times and i said it immediately after
i went offstage. i have respect for senator mccain. i used to like him a lot. i supported him, i raised a lot of money for his campaign against barack obama. if there was a misunderstanding i would take it back. hopefully, i s and shortly thereafter i said it correctly. >> i'm a little concerned. >> talk to me. >> you know i have been reading these newspapers that they sell. and i've been watching these tv news shows that they show. >> mm-hmm. >> and i'm very concerned. it appears donald trump hasn't called john mccain a war hero yet. >> i was trying to count. i lost count. >> steve, you know so let's be really transparent about the show this morning. >> okay. >> so i talked to mika late in the afternoon.
and i said we were talking about how horrible it was, what donald said and we like him personally, but god, it's so awful. and i said but there's one thing that's bothering me mika. and she said i know what it is. i said really? you've got terrible dandruff too? no, no joe, i was talking about donald. then we get back to the point. what was bothering me was all of the news reports that i read were focused on this horrible deplorable five-second joke donald trump gave but not the number of times, almost immediately, you could tell in his mind boy, i screwed up on that one. then he kinds of bobbles around and bumbles around and says you know, i think he is a hero. in the press conference afterwards he said he is a hero. all of this stuff, and he spent all day yesterday saying he was a hero and that he called him a
hero. and i looked at all the news reports late afternoon. nobody, nobody was covering that. nobody. and there is a real danger for the "new york times" and the "washington post" and abc, cbs, nbc, everybody else that if they don't get this right, i know they're trying to cut his head off for a reason. he said a horrible thing, he quoted a horrible joke from al franken. i understand. they say this is the end of him. he's at the top of all these polls now. they need to be very careful or people are going to tune them out. of course, we have already said donald trump has to be careful. it's deplorable what he said. we're shocked and stunned by what he said. et cetera, we said it all day. you look add those clips and at this point, they're looking at a five-second horrible deplorable al franken joke and trying to end his presidential career. and i think they're missing their target. and gene robinson talked about
it in his op-ed this morning. >> we're going to actually look at the polls, too. i can see that you're struggling. i think that the fact that he said what he said five seconds of it probably demanded an apology that one is never going to see. but if we continue to talk about it without recognizing what you're saying we're silly, too. so we do have a lot of coverage on this plus about four other stories for this block at least. with us on set, former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> did we do charts on the number of times daubled trump called john mccain a war hero in the last 36 hours. >> we lost count. no chart for that. political writer for the "new york times," nicklaus comp asorry. and eugene robinson and in columbus ohio manager editor of bloomberg politics mark halpern joins us.
the new washington post/abc news poll on the republican primary finds donald trump with 24% of the vote 11 points ahead of newly announced candidate scott walker and 12 points ahead of jeb bush. this is the biggest lead any republican candidate has posted since mitt romney flirted with a comeback. they said he saw significant dropoff in support the day after his comments about john mccain's service. his support had been 28% and dropped to the single digits the day after his mccain remark. he addressed the fallout in an interview last night. >> i want you to be honest. you do think john mccain is a hero. i anyhowknow you do. >> i do and by the way, i said it. i actually said it four times and i said it immediately after i went offstage. i have respect for senator mccain. i used to like him a lot. i supported him.
i raised a lot of money for his campaign against president obama. and certainly, if there was a misunderstanding, i would totally take that back. but hopefully i said it correctly, and certainly, shortly thereafter i said it correctly. >> willie i know you have another poll you're going to share with us. before that, i want to get your -- what are your thoughts on the polls the past 24 to 36 hours on donald trump? >> it's fascinating. he's up now double digits. we'll see what that means. the last day of the poll was taken over four nights. the last day is when you saw some erosion. the day after the mccain comments. i think what's really interesting when you look in the poll is he's up 11 points but when the same group of people were does trump's views reflect the core views of the party, 56% said no. only 29% said yes. and then how about this number? donald trump wins the nomination, would you definitely vote for him? 62% of the people responded said
definitely not. they would not vote for him. so there are contradictions everywhere. i think people, 24% of the people, anyway like his message. like he's mixing things up. when push comes to shove, they're not so sure they would actually vote for him to become president of the united states. >> yeah. you know there's the new iowa poll out, willie that i believe you have. where they'reir there actually wasn't a dropoff from before the comments and after the comments. i think a lot of people will look at the abc/washington postscott walker has been very strong in iowa throughout. donald trump in second place at 13%. the des moines register has written an op-ed,though an editorial titled trump should pull the plug trump has polluted the political waters to such an extent that serious candidates can't get their message across to voters. in fact some of them can't even win a spot in one of the
upcoming debates since those are reserved for candidates leading in the polls. last week before he decided to go after mccain, trump was ought the top at at least one national poll, but being electable is not the same as being qualified. trump has proven himself unfit to stand on the stage as his republican opponents. the best way donald trump can serve his country is apologizing to mccain and terminating his ill-conceived campaign joke. from the des moines register. >> really important. gene robinson i know that back in the '50s and the '60s, whenever you would put an extra jolt of electricity to godzilla you would take the monster down. >> right. >> people haven't read your op-ed, we just confused a lot of people. you said donald trump is like godzilla electricity only mangs him stronger. >> it does. it does. you know look the republican
establishment is obviously apoplectic at donald trump's rise in the polls to the number one slot. 24% in this field is extraordinary. and the party is freaking out. and one understands why, but i think if they believe that this incident with mccain and sure what he said was deplorable and awful, but yes, he did call him a war hero foufr times before and any number of times afterwards, but if they think this is enough to get donald trump out of the race i think they're nuts. it's not going to happen. i don't think his supporters are going to take their tutelage from the republican establishment or from the des moines register. entering the race today is ohio governor john kasich. officially becoming the 17th major candidate for the republicans. number 17. kasich has positioned himself as
a common sense, compassionate conservative who has turned budget shortfalls into surpluses and unwilling to take some of the more fiery positions others in the field have. his last attempt to run for president in 2000 didn't go far. he finds himself down in the polls, hovering at 2% with a critical cutoff for the upcoming fox news debate. to make a significant bump after today's announcement. mark halpern you're there. is it possible for him to get that, to get in the debates? >> first of all, let me predict that trump will not get the des moines register endorsement. >> i'm thinking yeah. >> this is the columbus dispatch headline, can kasich pull it off? the first question is can he get into the first tier even the second tier governor of ohio successful, as you said. experienced in congress. on paper, he should be a first-tier candidate. his super pac has raised a decent amount of money.
can he take his personality and create magic? that's the element that i think he needs, not just to get into the debate but can people see in his story, in his life story and what he's accomplished here in ohio something that's special and magic, not just a midwestern governor they never heard from. >> stand by for this next story. joe, i think it's so nice when a republican leader gives a democratic candidate a big gift. like wrapped in a bow. a little kissy marks all over it. it's great to see that kind of unity, don't you think? i love it. >> can't wait to see what the story is. has elizabeth warren been chosen to be an ostnotastronaut? >> this is about mitch mcconnell, our friend, who is never really going to be an ardent supporter of hillary clinton. this is what he said yesterday at an event at home in kentucky. take a listen. >> going to run straight left. just like the president did.
and their gamble is that the country is further left than it used to be. let me tell you why i think that's a flawed strategy. i don't think arguing vote for me because i'm a woman is enough. you may recall my election last year. the gender card alone is not enough. i beat my opponent with women in my race. because the gender card alone is not enough. i'm sure there are millions of americans who would love to have a woman president, but the question is a woman president to do what? >> the clintons were a major supporters of alison lundergan grimes who lost to mcconnell.rself a clinton democrat. here's how clinton reacted in a facebook chat.
wow, if that's what he said mitch mcconnell really doesn't get it. there is a gender card being played in this campaign. it's played every time republicans vote against giving women equal pay, deny families access to affordable child care or family leave, refuse to let women make decisions about their health or have access to free contraception. anyone who doesn't get that doesn't understand what our lives are like. so steve rattner that was sweet of him, mitch mcconnell. just, you know, sometimes it's nice nice. where. >> a gift, a nice gift. just walked right into it. >> joe, what's a point -- i'm not going to ask you to say this. there's no valid point. >> i'm not sure the secretary would disagree with him. her campaign is not built solely around her gender. they have taken pains to have all these other issues. it's kind of silly. >> it just never worked. you don't say those two words,
willie right? nobody wants to touch it. and you're all right. >> i think it's silly on its face. but i also don't think it's -- i don't think he's saying something that's not out there among people that she's just running to make history. >> i mean come on. >> it's something you hear people say. it's not falling on deaf ears. >> also mika yeah but also mika i have seen you sitting in that chair 1,000 times saying that women are very excited to vote for her because they want a woman to be president. >> that's great. >> you said i go around and there are so many women that are young girls and older wimomen and they're so excited to vote for her because she's a woman. >> absolutely. >> you say that so i just don't know how that's a whole lot different. >> i'll tell you what's different, if i could, it's the same thing as when president obama was running for president. there were people who could be very excited about the historic nature of it. republicans can't. they couldn't figure out how to
get around that. whenever they did, they looked like racists. and so this is now sexist. it's just unfortunate. it's like those words you can't say. but some people can say. >> is it sexist for you to say it's going to be hard to beat hillary clinton because everybody is excited about the fact she's a woman? which is in fact what you have said. >> no that's not what i said. that is absolutely not what i said. i said people are excited about the historic nature of her candidacy, i think she has a massive backing and her husband and the clinton machine, that's what i said is going to win. i don't even know if i think it's fair but that's what i think is going to win. not the fact that she's a woman. >> a lot of people are very excited. >> sure. >> a lot of people are excited, rightly. a lot of women in my family very excited about the fact that she's a woman. >> yeah. >> i mean they're not going, oh, i'm really excited to go vote for hillary clinton because of the great work she did when she was new york's you know
junior senator. >> joe. >> i'm not knocking anything she is saying but let's just stop pretending that barack obama didn't get a huge push in 2008 because he was a historic candidate. and let's not pretend that hillary clinton is not going to get a huge push because she's going to be a historic candidate. so before we start calling mitch mcconnell sexist let's -- >> i'm not, joe. one word answer if you might, because i have to go to halpern. on what planet would you say against a female opponent the gender card should not be played? not one. that's all i'm saying. there's not one planet in which that's okay to say and it's going to work for him. would you agree? >> sounds like you asked the question and answered it. mark halpern, what's your thoughts? >> my theory is mitch mcconnell is such a brilliant political strategist, he said i'm going to make a minor gaffe and show what we should not do the rest of the way. if we do we could lose the
election off it. you cannot run against a woman, you cannot run against a woman and say stuff like that. even though i agree, on the merits, nothing he said is different than other people who support her say. it's something the democrats are looking to exploit every moment and if people make mistakes like mitch mcconnell made even what they said parsed is fine it's going to help the democrats. help hillary clinton a ton, and i think mitch mcconnell was trying to say, don't do this ever again. >> don't ever do this at home. still ahead on "morning joe," she's one of the most powerful women in washington and she doesn't work on capitol hill. the district's mayor, muriel bouser joins us on set. plus stunning new details in the "new york times" about the new york state prison escape. the surviving inmate breaks his silence complete with his own references to the "shawshank redemption." and also speaking out, the australian surfer who survived a shark attack. the moment that caused tears toeral down his face. first, i don't know,io joe.
he makes us cry every day. different reasons. >> terrible. >> awkward. bill karins. just give us a forecast please and don't cry. >> all right, well good morning, everyone. the heat's the story. going to stay the story. we found out this is on pace for the warmest year ever. that goes back to 1880. noaa told us that yesterday. the worst of it today, around the myrtle beach, the wilmington area. you're under an excessive heat warning. that could be the deadly stuff. you want to check on the elderly and make sure the children aren't outside running around too long. heat advisories,unts 16 million people from shreveport to the norfolk area. how hot this afternoon? it looks like temperatures will max out between 100 and 105 in some spots. could jump up to 108 in savannah. ken ken and tennessee and kentucky, you get your relief. the heat dome is in texas. what's going on in wisconsin and milwaukee.
people had jackets on this morning. high pressure building in much cooler air. you don't see temperatures like this in chicago. 79 with a high. chicago is known for their heat and humidity. some of that cooler air will arrive in new england today. tomorrow in new york city. d.c., the temperature goes down but the humidity stays up. in the south, no relief for you. near 100 in dallas all week and the upcoming weekend looks worse. some areas could have a heat index by 11f coming your way as we wrap up july. we leave you with a shot of new york city and times square. if it can hit 90 degrees, which they will this will officially be called a three-day heat wave. "morning joe" will be right back. you exercise. you choose the salad.
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the "new york times," incredible details in the "times" this morning of the inmates' escape from a maximum security prison in june. convicter murderer david sweat apparently opening up. it's a story of patience timing determination and physical strength along with good luck and a macgyver story of ingenuity and neglect by those posed to keep him behind bar. he saw a hole in the back of his cell in january and roamed the tunnels after 11:30 p.m. head count, coming back at 5:30 a.m. the next morning. the times reports she at one point found a sewer pipe he thought was the way out, noting a similarly to the movie "shawshank redemption" but it turned out to be a dead end. the two joked while it took andy dufresne, the character in the movie, 20 years to escape it would take them only ten. he discovered the steam pipe they would use to escape in may, and four weeks later, he
finished cutting the hole in the pipe they could crawl through. when prison worker joyce mitchell failed to show up with the getaway car, they were forced to flee in the woods and splitd up. matt was shot and killed on june 26th and sweat was shot and captured two days later, now held in solitary confinement. his superintendent at the facility, two senior members of the staff and nine corrections officers placed on administrative leave following the escape and a review is ongoing. he was for six hours a night for months and months wandering the back halls of this prison. >> let's get to the daily telegraph. mick fanning is speaking out about his encounter with a shark. a live video of the 35-year-old fighting off an attack in a surfing competition in south africa made headlines around the world. today, fanning spoke out about the moment the shark attacked and what happened when he boarded the plane home. >> as the wave went my board
was sort of off. i was trying to get to my board. all of a sudden it came back again. that's when i, you know just tried to just position myself away from it to the side of it. and it just was right there. that's when i, you know i don't know if i punched it hard or if it was baby punches. i don't know but i just sort of went into you know fight for my life really. i'm doing okay. i haven't got a scratch on me or yeah just more of an emotional, mental sort of trauma right now. it will probably take i don't know, a comweeks months i don't know how long it's going to take but i'm lucky i have really good people around me. i was sitting next to a lady and she opened up the newspaper, and there it was on the front page of the paper. she said oh, is this you?
i was like i just saw the photo. all the emotion came back. i had to look out the window. yeah. you know tears started running down my face. then i had to work myself up to be able to read the article. >> so willie incredible story. also some comparisons going around on the internet. one of my favorites, soccer players versus surfers. the picture on the left has a soccer player going, yeah i tripped on my shoestring and need to be taken off on a stretcher. right? and the surfer says attacked by a shark. in the final competition. yeah, i punched it in the back. >> there you go. >> threw a couple haymakers at the shark. and then you've got to respect the man to keep the branding going. holding a red bull in his hand next to the microphone during the press conference.
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washington, d.c. mayor muriel bouser. also with us the news and finance anchor at yahoo, bianna golodryga, and brian sullivan. i think we can tell you two apart. sort of. >> the smart one. >> i wasn't going to say it. anyhow mayor bowser great to have you on the show. you kicked off our event, and it was kind of you. >> a lot of fun. a lot of women who came from around the region to hear the convening. you and joe are always awesome. it was a lot of fun. i know that other cities people are swarming to the event, too. >> we got chicago, boston and orlando coming up. feel free to join us. washington seemed like the place to go given that it's a city run by women. >> it is.
>> we have you. we have the police chief, the school chancellor. >> school chancellor health department director. the list goes on and on. >> no wonder the city is doing so much better. >> we were looking through the staff, and we have fully half -- >> i'm sitting right here. >> joe is here too. >> okay. >> you guys -- >> we're not all bad. >> women in leadership do lead to cleaner -- >> also generally better stock market returns. >> exactly, there's that. tell me there's a couple different issues we can go at when it comes to washington, d.c. that have national implications. there is a little bit of is there a controversy over the use of body cameras and the use of that technology? where does that stand? >> we want to be in the forefront of this issue. we've been very lucky in our city over the last 20 years. we were discussing a little earlier, to really see the city thrive and grow. we're attracting businesses. attracting residents, and we're a city that's so much more
incredibly safe than the washington i grew up with. we want to keep that going and we want to maintain great relations with our community. and police accountability is top on that list. body cameras, we know will protect our officers and they'll also protect the public. i was able to put a lot of money in my budget. now i'm working with my council to make sure we put the rules in place to get it going. >> there is an issue with privacy concerns that you're trying to make it, if i've got this right, you can't necessarily access the footage. >> well there's a balance. and so what i want i want my residents to feel confident when they call the police that they won't necessarily see that interaction, which could be you know, when people call the police, they need help and they're in very difficult situations. >> personal times. >> very personal. you have the police coming into your home, into your vehicle, and all sorts of situations. i want the people who need access to the information, if there's a problem. the prosecutors, our attorney general, the inspector general
defendants and their lawyers, but not necessarily having it on the evening news. >> bianna, brian? >> we spend a lot of time in washington, d.c. we have a house there, my children going to school there. it's wonderful to see the city thriving. a city only less than an hour away by train, baltimore, a different story. also relatively new mayor. we have seen the police chief leave now. have you been in touch with the mayor, and what sort of advice would you give her now as she's trying to put her city back together? >> well i have been in tich with the mayor, and certainly, we were helpful. we sent our officers a group of officers up to baltimore to assist and make sure baltimore stayed safe. what we've been able to do and what i tell big city mayors all over this country, is our focus is making sure we have a stable business environment, a safe city that we're investing in our schools, that we're investing in our youth. that's why you've seen washington come back.
i was up here a few months ago talking about our bond ratings. they're going up. when we go out, i was in san francisco recently talking to companies to attract to washington. and now, we can actually have a conversation about attracting fortune 500 companies. >> they're already there. over the last ten years, the number of major corporations pretty much all the defense organizations organizations, are based in d.c. or around it. d.c.'s population has surged. i have a lot of friends there. what are you going to do about the traffic? >> it's so bad. >> d.c. -- is d.c. full? >> no we're going to grow. >> it seems full on the beltway. >> we're going to keep growing. keep in mind in the '50s, we had 800,000 people in d.c. we're at about 660,000 now, and probably in the next 20 years we'll get up to 800,000 again. we have to be smart. we have to invest in our infra infrastructure. >> the silver line metro has expanded.
>> it's going to expand. we're going to invest in our metro. part of the things us mayors are talking about is what congress can do to help us. it's so important that we get a permanent transportation bill and that we fund it. >> but they can't get to work to go to congress. because there's so much traffic. >> yes, they can. they all live right around the hill. >> wonky alert, that senate procedural vote on the transportation bill occurred today. >> nerd alert. so the question -- >> political show i thought. all i got. >> do you have an uber problem coming to washington as well like new york has? >> we solved our uber problem, mika. >> you have? how did you solve it? >> we went to work and put in a reasonable law that has reasonable regulations on uber. that lessen regulations on the taxi industry and that response to the demand of our residents. >> do you limit the amount of cars? >> there's no limit on the
amount of cars in d.c. >> and they're so much cheaper. >> what's important, and what we realized in our city is that our residents have embraced the sharing economy. you name it they're doing it. we want to make it -- we want to make sure it's safe. what i'm focused on is how can we lessen the burdens on our taxi industry? >> very quickly. >> this is what she said. >> donald trump, post office pavilion spectacular building. she's renovating that as a hotel in with his name on it. he's been in the media. your position on it should the name be on it? >> that hotel is very important to how we revitalize our main street pennsylvania avenue. and the building belongs to the federal government. they selected the trump corporation to revitalize it. it's going to be key. so certainly, i wish that donald trump wasn't saying some of the pretty horrible things that he said recently and we are calling on the federal government to make sure that that hotel gets developed on
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getting stronger. what's happened and is the dollar now the safest currency for everybody to invest in? >> it appears that way. you know describe it how you want, the cleanest dirty shirt in a bag of laundry, whatever. the united states economy has proven resilient. i think the u.s. people are resilient. i tell you why, we have a sophisticated financial system that sometimes gets us in trouble, but we have also lived through booms and busts. you look at a country like china, they're figure out their way. their stock market goes up big and collapses big. the u.s. is used to boom and bust cycles. every time you bet against the u.s. consumer you've lost in history, long term. >> i mean mika we have been saying this for five six, seven years, as people have been whining that the chinese are going to overtake us. i have been talking about japan in the late 1980s. it really just bores me. at this point, it really just
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f-150. >> all the stuff is on the inside. self-parking. >> it's going to be a big seller. >> massage chairs. >> i don't know who is buying it, not people who buy trucks. >> made of leather that was hand-massaged by shoguns. >> are you making this up? >> i made up the last part. >> he made the last part up because actually all the craftsmanship inside it's actually nordic elves who did the small stitching work. >> with a shoe. >> this makes a lot of sense. it makes a lot of sense because, again, everybody loves to question what do more millionaires drive than anything else? the f-150. they have a big audience and actually, a lot of wealthy people out there love driving this truck, too. >> it's great, but it's more car inflation, right? am i getting old. cars used to be like $25,000. >> gas prices are going down and down, more people are interested
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>> nine problems. >> your boyfriend is one of them? >> ex-boyfriend. >> ooh. that was a look at the new film "paper towns" which hits theaters this friday. joining us now, the executive producer and author of the novel that the film is based on john green. john, you know for sure you have found out the hard way that the star in the movie, her name is cara delevingne. >> do not call her cara. what happens? >> she's very polite but she corrects you every time. you you call her cara she's going to say kara. >> i understand being called mika. i say, hi i'm mika. they say nice to meet you, mika. >> i want to give people perspective. your first novel that was adamented to film the 2012 best-seller, "the fault in our stars" opened up at number one
in the box office and made $307 million. >> how old are you? >> 37. >> wow. >> this was a few years ago. your life just kind of exploded with these novels and movies. >> he's a rock star. mika he's a rock star. >> thank you. >> youtube star. >> a youtube star? >> a youtube star. >> we're under a rock. so i guess first of all, can you talk about that? that must have been sort of a weird experience. >> for me it was more of a slow growth of audience over many years so it didn't feel that traumatic, but the nice thing is that i live in indianapolis. i am you know like a suburban married dad, so my life didn't change very much because inside the world of my family nobody cares. like my 2-year-old doesn't care how well the movie does. >> definitely doesn't care. girl or boy? >> she's a girl. >> she doesn't care. >> the 5-year-old is a boy. he also doesn't care. >> okay joe, jump in. >> yeah so john what was the tipping point? it was a slow build. what caused the explosion?
>> i think when my novel "the fault in our stars" came out, i signed the whole first printing. i signed 157,000 copies of the book. that was sort of the initial thing that led to the book doing much, much better than any of my previous ones. >> bianna. >> i was just visiting my step daughter at sleep away camp. you would be thrilled to know that every single girl in her bunk had about five of your books. >> that's awesome. >> what is it about you that resonates with teens and millennials? what do you think it is? you connect with them in a way that a lot of other writers don't. >> i don't know anything about being a teenager and i didn't know anything about being a teenager when i was a teenager. i just try to take them seriously, listen to them, and millennials are curious and smart and engaged and they're using the internet in fascinating ways. if i can be part of that part of that conversation, that's really excited. >> you sort of discovered this idea for the paper town a road
trip in south dakota. >> yeah. >> how? >> paper towns are these weird catographic phenomenon where people intentionally put fake places on their maps as a copy write trap so if they see it on someone else's map, they think, i have definitely been robbed. the most famous example is agland, new york. a paper town that later became real because people kept going to that intersection where there was a fake place and eventually someone built a real place. that's in the movie. but i discovered it in south dakota on a road trip with my girlfriend in college. we were visiting all of the world's largest balls, the larblg largest ball of twine, the largest stamp, the largest ball of paint, the largest ball of popcorn. >> world's largest ball of paint, isn't that just a spot? >> it's huge. it started out just painting a baseball, and then he kept
painting the baseball and now it's bigger than this table. >> and wheres. the popcorn? >> i can't remember. i feel bad. i like to think of myself in the expert in the field of the world's largest balls and i have disappointed. >> you say you know nothing about being a teenager. you have a teenager. i'm just saying. you kind of sound like one. in a good way. youtube, 11 online series. >> yeah. >> reading about them right now. i feel like this guy is like everywhere. i mean and one's a fund-raiser. tell us about your blog brothers channel. >> we started making videos in 2007 back and forth to each other and we have kept doing that and now we also run an educational series called crash course where we teach everything from chemistry to literature and history, and it's used in schools and a fund-raiser every year called a project for awesome that this year raised over $1 million in 48 hours for save the children and partners in health and other organizations working in global
poverty. >> all right, this is awesome. and "paper towns" is in theaters across the country. i love the fact that paper books are selling. john green thank you so much. very nice to meet you. >> thank you. up next what if anything did we learn today. the heat's the story that continues to dominate. the southern half of the country hot, even dangerously hot in the carolinas where heat warnings are in effect. and officially a heat wave in new york if we hit 90 for the third day in a row. the only area dealing with rain and thunderstorms, oklahoma to arkansas. taste bud loving, deliciously fruity, grab-and-go, take on the world with 100 calories, snack. yoplait greek 100. there are hundreds of reasons to snack on it.
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welcome back to morning ging joe. time to talk about what we learned. i learned something fascinating about mika in the south of france. she likes the f-150 she takes to monaco to go in actually is stripped down. has a wine rack in the back. i mean or was that a gun rack? i forget. >> that's not it. okay, i learned that i would love to see more top republicans send gifts to democratic candidates. say things like you shouldn't play the gender card. that's fantastic. please do that more. bianna. >> i like how heartbroken and attached joe is to the a & p. who knew? >> he milled around at midnight. >> can't say anything in two seconds. that's all we have. >> all right, if it's way too early, it's time for "morning joe." now it's time for "the rundown." >> and good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. this morning, we start with a
trump jump. a new washington post/abc poll shows donald trump with a commanding lead in the gop presidential race. garnering 24% of the vote. that's 11 points ahead of his closest challenger, scott walker and 12 points ahead of jeb bush. important to note a majority of the survey was taken before trump's comments on senator john mccain. those questions on saturday when he questioned the military record of the prisoner of war earned him