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the "new york times" hits hillary on the front page. the clinton war room fires back. let's play "hardball." good evening. today's "new york times" grabbed readers with this front page headline. quote, criminal inquiry is sought in clinton e-mail use. the clinton war room has struck back. my questions tonight, what's the "new york times" got here? is it hillary herself being targeted, her team? is there really a question of criminality here? let's find out from the reporter who wrote the story, michael schmidt. michael, thank you for joining us on the story. let me ask you this when you had the story last night, what justified the front page coverage? >> what justified the coverage was the fact that these inspector generals who had been looking into how the state department was handling her e-mails and the classified
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information on there had gone to the justice department and said that classified information had been compromised here and there was a national security issue. >> and was this hillary clinton herself, which the "times" pointed to or her staff or what we call hillary land? who was involved in what you saw as the story there? >> well it involved the account. and we've actually today have gone on and gotten more explicit details about what was going on with that. the inspector generals and the intelligence community put out a statement saying she indeed had classified information on the account. it was classified at the time and quote, this classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system. it's because of that that they turned to the justice department. >> well i need this to clarify because most viewers are interivated. we have heard it so many times we don't quite get it. hillary clinton has used a private e-mail account off the
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server, and that's been known for a while. she gave back to the government tens of thousands of e-mails that she put through the server and did she do a regular state department business on those personal e-mails? if she did so what is new? that, i assume would have been all the traffic of the state department that she used to e-mail for. >> it's the only e-mail account she used as secretary of state. she did not have a account. she only relied on that account. >> how does she move classified materials which she would have had hands on all the time? how did she regularly do it? >> in the government there's a classified system and an unclassified system. a lots of people were e-mailing her from the unclassified system. what happened according to the inspector generals, is there was information from the intelligence community passed from her to other people that was not necessarily marked classified, but it was indeed
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classified at the time and it ended up in her e-mail. >> how could she be playable if it was not marked classified and it was sent by someone else? she was passive to it even in terms of knowledge of it being classified? >> well, she had a personal e-mail account that was operating outside the state department. she wasn't inside the state department. her account was outside of the state department. >> how could there be criminality if there's no knowledge it was classified because it wasn't marked and it was sent -- if you get a letter in the mail whether it's e-mail or snail mail somebody sends it to you, how can you be responsible for that? >> that's the issue, the issue here is that this is classified information that was ending up in places it wasn't supposed to. these inspector generals turned to the justice department and said look something -- this is not the way this is supposed to operate. you need to take a look at this. >> okay can you imagine a regular newspaper reader like i am, i read the "times" every morning, pigging this up. you think hillary clinton had
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done something wrong. criminal referral something to do with her, her e-mails. yet you're telling me this is mail she received that wasn't marked classified. i wonder where could it be the imagination of criminality here? >> there's rules in law and regulations on how classified information should be handled. there are ways that -- >> you mean she should have put a stopper on this if it came in even if it wasn't marked classified, she should have found a way of rejecting it as if it was spam? >> no but by operating her e-mail outside of the system she exposed herself to receiving -- >> so in other words, she's be charged here referred to here over to the justice department because she used her private e-mail basically because that system itself made her vulnerable to misuse mishandling is the right word of classified information? >> correct. >> so this is in other words, we're going back to story one.
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way back in the beginning of the story. they're now finally charging her or referring to the justice department a possible complaint that she used her private e-mail for official and even classified business? >> well what they're saying is that she had classified information on there. >> yeah that's a question of looking for what they figured they would find. if she used her own personal e-mail for everything, it would include stuff that somebody would send to her that wasn't marked classified and therefore she wouldn't have been able to detect it and somehow send it back. >> i bring you back to the statement the inspectors general put out when they said this classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system. that's the inspector generals. >> let's go to them. we're going to go right now to elijah cummings and find out what he's hearing. thank you for that updated report. hillary clinton responded to the story during a speech in new york. let's watch the former secretary
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of state herself. >> first, i want to say a word about what's in the news today. and it's because there have been a lot of inaccuracies as congressman cummings made clear this morning. maybe the heat is getting to everybody. we all have a responsibility to get this right. i have released 55,000 pages of e-mails. i have said repeatedly that i will answer questions before the house committee. we are all accountable to the american people to get the facts right. and i will do my part. >> elijah cummings a democrat from maryland. a member of the benghazi committee and the reform committee. did you talk to the clinton people this morning?
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did they urge you to get out as a surrogate on the issue? >> no i didn't talk to them. i talked to the igs for the state department. >> okay. >> and for the intelligence department. i wanted to know about what was going on. and they made -- they were emphatic that they never, they never requested a criminal investigation of hillary clinton with regards to the usage of her e-mail. they made that clear. >> what about the four e-mails they're talking about -- >> by the way -- well mr. smith made an interesting point that you shouldn't pass by it. they made it clear that there was no markings with regard to classification or dissemination on any of the e-mails they reviewed. these are the folks that -- these are the igs. and so when they tell me that there is no -- there was no request for any kind of criminal investigation with regard to
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hillary clinton's e-mail usage, i have to believe them. >> so is there any effort by the igs you talked to do they admit they sent any material to the justice department for review? >> they said they have a routine, they had a routine procedure that they do when they find that maybe some information that is classified may be in the wrong hands or was misclassified. it's an automatic thing for them to send it to the justice department to straighten it out to make sure people don't have classified information they shouldn't have. but keep in mind when they told me that when this information was being transmitted by hillary clinton or coming to her, there was no way for her to even know it that it was classified because they said emphatically it was not marked classified or with dissemination. how would she even know? >> how did this become a news
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story if it's robotic, hue teen to the part of being almost robot-like, to have them send over the word to the justice department that a candidate for president's e-mail is somehow the basis for some reasonable review by them to look at it either for criminal civil, whatever action. that's a serious pit of business, it seems to me. why did they do it? >> as a lawyer let me tell you something, chris. as a lawyer when i read that the headline at 4:00 this morning, i mean i couldn't go back to sleep. because i know how serious it is. that's why i jumped on it immediately. chris, keep in mind i mean we have gotten so far away from what we were supposed to be doing with againbenghazi. this is yet hillary clinton by any means necessary. make sure you impact her so that she cannot be a successful candidates. that's what it's boiling down to, and it pains me to say that but i have to call it as i see it. what the news entities do they pick up a story and repeat it
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over and over again, and as of just a few minutes ago, the headline still says in the "new york times" that there's a criminal investigation when in fact there's not. >> yeah well the question i guess to you is do you think she did something wrong initially by using a private e-mail account to handle all of this official business whether she knew particular information was classified or not? it seems like they're going back to that thing again, that basic decision, because there's nothing here criminal in its particular intent. it seems the very act of using the e-mail for what could have been marked or wasn't in this case but some day might be marked classified by someone was itself some kind of trancegression that had to be reported to the justice department. so somebody things it's important that she be in some way, i don't know reprimanded, notified, whatever certainly reviewed by the justice department. >> over and over again. chris, this is not -- it doesn't take -- you know this is not rocket science. you have a situation where leaks are put out there and
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information is put out there, incomplete information, to get the headline. to get the headline. and the next thing you know, that's what people are thinking. then, of course that does not -- is not helpful to her, but i feel very upset about this because this is not the way that we're supposed to operate. it affects the credibility of our committee, by the way. >> always great to have you on here. thank you so much, elijah cummings of the united states congress. joining us is eugene robinson of the "washington post." where do i begin on this? senior government official, to me as a reader and a person in journalism seems to me not house republicans. could it be house republicans? >> well, you know, the house is part of the government, sure it could be. >> but that usually means executive. >> that's what you would think. also, at our paper, the "washington post," and i believe at the "new york times," when
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you allow a source to go unnamed, the policy is that you're supposed to explain why that source is going unnamed. >> what would they have said there? they didn't want to get in trouble for being political because it's a nonpolitical person? >> perhaps. >> i don't know how to write it. let's get back to the story. >> but about the story itself you know there's a document at the heart of the story, which is the referral the document referring. >> from the igs to the justice department. >> it's not clear to me from reading the story and i read it a few times, that the "times" has seen that document has actually handled it and seen that document and read it. and it is being characterized, you know one way, by the "times" sources as a request for criminal investigation. >> mishandling of government documents by putting them in her private e-mail. it allows for the fact that somebody in hillary's camp did it. it doesn't say it was her,
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although it alluded it was her in the first go-around, and whether it's criminal or not. >> criminal is a big word. but it seems to me that if you're going to write a story that has a document a single document at its heart, if you haven't been able to see the document and you're relying on sources to tell you what it says and to characterize it then you ought to give readers a clear shot at that fact at least. that, you know -- >> does this story have legs in the big papers tomorrow? >> here's what has legs the fact that hillary clinton did run a private e-mail server. right? and then -- and turned over a bunch of e-mails, but has apparently wiped the server clean. and i think that there will always be questions about that. you know why did she do that? but this specific story, you know, it kind of depends.
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at some point, one hopes we actually get to see the document. and then we'll know whether it's a routine thing or not. >> the heat is on the "times." i'm sure the "boston post" will be looking at it tomorrow. anyway, thank you. coming up if you caught my "hardball" interview with ted cruz, you heard how obvious he was pushing bernie sanders. many on the right trying to build up bernie to help take down hillary clinton. barney frank says progressives shouldn't fall for it. he joins us next here live. and the day of a weekly shooting at a louisiana movie theater, president obama says place he's most stymied is on that issue of guns. >> in the week when donald trump got the headlines, a lot of other republicans got their turn driving the clown car, including marco rubio doubling down on his cheap shot that president obama has no class. finally, republican insiders are pushing the idea that donald
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we each run our own campaigns. i always knew this could be competitive. i want to have a great debate in the primary and caucuses around the country, and that's what i'm looking forward to. >> welcome back to "hardball." when hillary clinton was asked earlier this month about her democratic opponent bernie sanders, she said she expects the race to be competitive. now in an op-ed piece in politico magazine titled why progressives shouldn't support bernie barney frank of massachusetts makes the case that democrats should get behind hillary clinton early. a long primary campaign will only erode the campaign democrats are poised to reap. he said i am convinced a prolonged prenominate debate
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about the authenticity of clinton's support for progressive policy stances will do us more harm than good. recent national polling shows clinton well ahead of sanders at this point, 63% to 14% across democrats across the country. the latest poll out of new hampshire in june shows sanders within striking distance of clinton in the key primary state and 35% to clinton's 43%. i'm joined by barney frank. thank you for joining us. everybody wants to know what you think about this. you're a pretty well known liberal by the old terminology, the new terminology, progressive. now it's all the way to the left of liberal. what is the difference between a progressive and a socialist as you think it through, or is there still a distinction we can draw? >> there's a difference. socialism is a very respected intellectual view of the economy. i happen to disagree with it because i really do believe that the free market the capitalist
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system is the best producer of wealth, but i do believe that it needs to be strongly regulated in how it's conducted and what you do to distribute it. bernie sanders has made a very important choice to be the outsider within the system. for more than what 30 years, he has stressed two things. first of all, that he was not a democrat. and he has pointed out to the integrity of that position not being a member of a party was a virtue. secondly, he voted with the democrats in the congress but always stressed he wasn't a member of the party. secondly he defied this american aversion to the world socialism by proclaiming himself to be a socialist. both are legitimate positions. my problem is having stakesd out of the outsider position it's hard to pivot from being an independent socialist to being a progressive democrat. that is only a problem because if we have this primary campaign and here's what i'm afraid of
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hillary clinton has taken strong liberal positions, progressive positions. whatever you want to call them. i'm afraid people are going to say she's only doing that because bernie sanders spooked her into it. it's not accurate but inaccuracy is not a barrier to things being accepted. you'll see the public saying we knew clinton didn't stand for anything serious and she's now trying to win over the vote from that socialist. that's inaccurate but very damaging. >> we have evidence of that from last night's show. you made the point republicans are speaking favorably of sanders as a way to undercut sanders sanders. republicans believe it's the only way to prevent clinton emerging as the nominee with broad support in the process, strengthening her positionen november. they're correct. one result of a long running contest would be some of his vulnerabilities would accrue to her. we witnessed that strategy in action on "hardball" last night. here's republican senate candidate and senator from texas ted cruz boosting self-described
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socialist bernie sanders. here he is going at it. >> democrats virtually all of them, are supporting this crownyism in corporate welfare. the one person standing up strong is bernie sanders. >> is that a strategy on the right to build up bernie sanders? >> well i have said for a long time i like and respect bernie sanders because he's honest. >> you're taking an opportunity to call him out. what is the strategy to build up bernie sanders from the right wing perspective. your right wing. >> i respect honestly in politics. bernie admits he's a socialist. i'm enjoying watching hillary clinton explain to the voters how she's just as much a socialist as bernie. bernie is being honest about this. i wish both of the career politicians -- >> you're getting so enthuse enthusiastic enthusiastic. i know what you're up to. it's called trouble making. you're a bernie sanders republican. thank you for coming on.
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i understand inentirely the strategy you're up to. >> congressman frank, i think you were the praufrtophet of reality. i don't know if it's conspiratorial. it seems to me you're the expert, i think they're trying to gin up on the democratic side, the two-fisted free-for-all whatever you're seeing on the republican side with trump. >> no question. i almost sympathize with some of these republicans getting into a debate with donald trump, trying to make shakespeare while mo curly, and larry are your supporting cast. it's hard to look good in that. there's no reason for us to try to minimize our advantage. and i don't understand why some of my friends on the left and where i am don't see what happened to mitt rom nayney. the fact he sent most of the campaign proving his bona fides to his base. that weakened him for the election. i don't see any point having that with hillary clinton. if you knee for sure we could
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win, her liberal positions were overwhelmingly popular, we could afford the kind of debates, but by the way money is the key factor here. we know they're going to greatly outspend us. why force her to spend moers of her money between now and may or june on again proving she always has been for what she has been? that's the other point, this view that she's too moderate. she was a big liberal in the clinton administration. paul krugman documented she was to barack obama's left on domestic issues. this notion that she's a secret moderate has no evidence. but the sanders candidacy will allow people to interpret her sticking with a position she's already had as somehow as you got cruz to acknowledge, a move by her to preempt the socialists. >> great having you on. former congressman barney frank of massachusetts. coming up president obama says his biggest fres raugz has been his inability to pass gun safety laws. this on the same day a gunman opens fire in a louisiana movie
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welcome back to "hardball." well we're following the latest developments from last night's movie theater shooting in lafayette, louisiana. two people were killed. nine injured when sdpoin-year-old john russel houser opened fire 20 minutes into the screening of "trainwreck." he shot off 13 rounds and later shot himself dead. the victims were 33-year-old jillian johnson and 21 yeast-year-old mayci breaux. couser had a criminal history and had a history of mental health problems including manic depression and bipolar disorder according to court records from 2008. i'm joined by craig melvin. you're down there in another trouble spot. this is not a racial incident. this is an incident of what mental illness? gun safety what is the aspect of this that you can figure for a national audience? >> you know what chris, i think
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it's both. and the folks we have talked to her have said as much. law enforcement and local elected officials. here you have a guy who back in 1989 1989 we uncovered documents that shows he was charged with trying to hire a third party to set fire to an attorney's office. then you fast forward. several years after that there was a criminal deomestic violence complaint. he wasn't charged. police show up at his house. his wife said he's supposed to be taking medication for a mental illness. he's supposed to take the medication, doesn't take the medication every day. he doesn't eat like he's supposed to which exacerbates that condition. he was denied a concealed carry permit because of that criminal domestic violence complaint, and the arson charge. so you've got a picture that is emerging of a guy who you take a few steps back and say, well we probably should have seen this coming. we probably should have seen this coming.
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i talked to an associate of his earlier on the air who said he was quick tempered he was political. in fact, he ran for office a couple times in columbus georgia. also in georgia, he owned a bar at one point. local sheriff in la grange georgia, local deputy said they had to shut down the bar because of violations. he shows back up and hangs a banner with a swutsastika on the sign so large you could see it from the roadway. that's the kind of guy we're looking at here. >> great to have your you have all the trouble spots to cover. thanks so much craig melvin in lafayette, louisiana. >> the topic of gun violence has been on president obama's mind. here what he told the bbc in an interview conducted yesterday before the shotting. >> if you ask me where has been the one area where i feel that i have been most frustrated and most stymied, it is the fact
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that the united states of america is the one advanced nation on earth in which we do not have sufficient commonsense gun safety laws. even in the face of repeat eded mass killings. and for us not to be able to resolve that issue has been something that is distressing. but it is not something that i intend to stop working on in the remaining 18 months. >> joining me now, huffington post politics editor sam stein. every time one of these things happens, i know it's a pressure world. a lot of competition in life. everybody doesn't have the same comitance to deal with these situations, mental and emotional problems. this is another one. i don't know if it means much politically, except when i heard about the swastika. >> the united states is not the capital of mental problems. every country has citizens with
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mental problems. >> but they're not armed. >> they're not armed. we talk about for instance sensoring video games. that's something that comes up all the time. we aren't the only ones who play violent video games in the world. so the idea here the constant theme -- >> by the way, we're a violent country if we didn't have guns. the number of people who kill each other, whatever they drive over people it's an amazingly violent country. gun control, we're getting to it, gun safety. he tried to get a carrier lice license license. he couldn't get one. the law was there, and our gun rights people say, wait a minute, the law is there. it stopped him, but he gets the gun the way any criminal gets a gun, criminally. >> they point out rightfully that chicago, for instance has incredibly tough gun laws some of the toughest in the nation but every weekend, we hear about massive amounts of gun violence in that city killing tons of people. >> you can drive from chicago to other areas and get guns. >> because there are no borders when it comes to getting a gun. so people in chicago can go to
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indiana, for instance. so when you talk to gun control advocates, when you say what is the solution to this they say you need to button up the shortcomings more sharing among agencies. maybe more screening before someone can purchase a gun. but you won't have a fool-safe system. >> this is a probably powerful gun. a 40-caliber semiautomatic. he was able to fire off a lot of rounds, including the one he killed himself without reloading. that's a lot of fire power. >> when we were having the post-newtown debate, we spent a lot of time talking about the size of magazines. but the truth of the matter is the vast majority of the violence happens because of gun violence, but the mass shootings tend to be the more headline grabbing. >> he knew what he wanted got it illegally, and he got the purpose, he wanted to kill people, and he planned to get away. >> that's the creepiest part, he wanted to get away. it was only when he was engumplfed
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welcome back to "hardball." donald trump has been driving the clown car the last couple weeks when it comes to the 2016 elections, but that doesn't mean he's alone in the clown car. trump's antics have overshadowed trudy clownish performances. marco rubio on wednesday said president obama had no class. on fox news he was asked if he stood by the assessment. he also was played a clip of how i reacted to his words. >> we already have a president right now who has no class. >> that's the kind of slur that's not a political charge that's a slur against a man, against a president. and this sleazy comment that he has no class, what does that mean? i would like to get him and say what do you mean by no class? what do you mean by that and find out what he does mean. it's a cleep slur that works with the cheap seats in the republican party. >> i said repeatedly barack obama is a great husband and a great father. but i do believe the way he's conducted his presidency has been divisive. i think he unnecessarily demonizes his apone nls on
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policy issues. he actually wants to convince people that you are a bad person. >> you stand by that statement, the president has no class. >> i think in the way he's conducted himself in the presidency on some of the major issues of our time he has not conducted himself with a diginanty worthy of that office. >> for more on this and other clownish moments, i'm jouned by the roundtable. the contributor to essence magazine, and matt shu lap is a republican strategist. what did you make of the comment? were you as put off by it as i was? >> i thought it was -- >> no class. >> i thought your word was correct. i hate to agree with you, but cheap. a cheap shot. the thing is it comes on the same day in which he's appearing with john kerry, the senate foreign relations committee talking about the iran deal and marco rubio is making this charge that because of the iran deal the u.s. will gnawnow be obligated, forced to defend iran from any attack on its nuclear
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facilities. polit afact called this completely faulsz. >> that we're going to fight israel? >> that was his argument in all seriousness. if he wants to have a classy debate about the iran deal this is not the way to do it. so he is just playing to the far party base. >> hawkish, too. his big supporters have phinhawkish, too don't you think? >> i also think the idea that the president has no class or that he has been divisive when mitch mcconnell in the beginning of the presidency said out loud we're going to try to block the president, i think that doesn't ring clue. >> you can be divisive and not have class. >> senator rubio said he was referring to demonizing political opponents when he said he had no class, but the slur came up in the context of dtonald trump's presidential campaign and why trumptient be elected. >> we already have a president now who has no class. we have a president now who does
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selfie stick videos that invites youtube stars there, people that eat cereal out of a bathtub, that accuses his -- he know goes on comedy shows to talk about something as serious as iran. it is important for us to have a presidency that restories dignity and class to the white house. >> he's going on fox and friends to talk about you shouldn't go on fun shows. fox and friends is a good pleasant way to start the day, but it's not the highest possible level of journalistic insight. you thoughts. >> i liked marco rubio's second answer. i think let's keep it on the politics. david brings up the iran deal. here's what we should all be talking about. we have serious issues that our country is facing. when i think about the invectives that get thrown out in politics i go back to '08, bill clinton and hillary clinton, and barack obama. she said barack obama is running a campaign out of the karl rove book. she called it deceptive. we shouldn't have a double
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standard. >> it's referring to someone's background or their character. you have to be very careful about that stuff. >> i agree. >> you have a wrong side of the tracks thing, something base about the guy. it does get ethnic. not always but playing to the crowd. >> but he is playing to a crowd that has believed from the beginning that barack obama is not a legitimate president. because of his birth, because of his secret socialism muslim views, whatever it may be -- >> and his name -- >> look he does have a certain situation. >> let's not go there. they have a disagreement with him on all of these policies. they think he's a political left winger and a radical. that's fair. they should be able to go there. >> but not to say he's illegitimate, that he doesn't believe in america. >> he's not saying -- i'm talking about the people in the audience. the woman who says he's an arab. a lot of them in the audience they're not all candidates, but the candidates know how to talk
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to them. they talk to them that hates him because of what he looks like what his name is the whole deal. >> that's true on both sides. >> what charges have the democrats made? >> you don't think there's democrats who make charges that go too far? >> on ethnicity, background? >> absolutely. >> where? >> how about barack obama sent out from his campaign about the mormonism of mitt romney? what about those? did we ever criticize those? >> i didn't know about those. >> i didn't, either. >> obama was a good christian family man, and the message was clear, he's running against a guy who maybe isn't. >> it was a birther thing that went on for quite a while. >> i started in politics with an lds guy. i'm with them. >> strange video. here's mike huckabee's campaign posting to its vine site. a twisted mash-up of a classic disney movie and nuclear
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annihilation annihilation. let's take a look here. >> yes. they're accusing the president and john kerry, you know all the rest to try to negotiate a difficult deal. a good debate whether it's good or bad for us but was that akuna mutata? were they whistling and enjoying themselves? tell me why. >> the huckabee campaign is trying to use one of these new online tactics and they threw out a video. >> who is saying don't worry? >> he's saying that john kerry and barack obama -- >> that's why they spent weeks and months and years trying to put together a deal because they're not worried? >> when you hear that this means iran will now get closer to a nuclear weapon -- >> it won't. >> exactly. david agrees that we shouldn't worry. i think we should worry. >> wait a second. >> i worry about everything.
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>> i worry when people running for president are using cartoon ads talking about nuclear weapons. >> i want to know, is this classy? is this classy? >> i'm not 25 years old. i don't know how this works. >> that's younger. >> you talked about having a good policy debate over this issue. is this how you do it? >> i don't think it's serious. it happens to be a coincidence. the round table is standing with us. up next, republicans pushing the idea that -- the insiders pushing it. talk about wishful thinking. he'll be going away in a couple weeks. did they predict three weeks ago he would be there? this is "hardball," the place for politics. song: rachel platten "fight song" ♪ two million, four hundred thirty-four thousand three hundred eleven people in this city. and only one me.
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assurances that he made to each and every one of us what we just saw today was an absolute demonstration that not only what he told every republican senator but what he told the press over and over and over again. was a simple lie. >> never seen that before working on the hill for years. anyway mcconnell's office had no comments on cruz's remarks. we'll be right back. points, points, our points. there has got to be a way to redeem our hotel points. i just want to take a vacation. this seems crazy. oh really? tell us something we don't know, captain obvious. ok. with, when you collect 10 nights you get one free. oh. so you only need to know how to count to 10
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attack. he's made the prime focus of that campaign. let's watch him. >> the pugh research which is independent. >> don't be naive, you are a very naive person. >> if your research says for immigrants on the whole -- >> try getting it out. >> i'll get it out. >> i don't know if you are going to put this on television, you don't know what you are talking about. you keep brick up negative. why don't you talk about the positive? >> i did. >> the people don't trust you, the people don't trust the media. >> that's a typical case of the press with misinterpretation. they take a half a sentence [ applause ] >> they take a half a sentence by the way, they take a half a sentence and they take a quarter of a sentence they put it altogether the typical thing and you who at at the le mun do and at the telemundo, no, you are finished.
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you have been groomed. >> did they leave you captured? >> of course fought. >> why would you say what you said? >> go back to -- being a pundit. >> you have casey hunt there, who never reports accurately by the way. >> oh, come on. >> no it's true. you had katie kerr. they didn't explain. that was absolutely a happening. >> i don't know where you go with that one. i want to start with you. >> i just think that he's driving the clown car. you are right about. that i think you are also right that this is going to last and last because he is what he is saying resonates with some part of a significant portion of the ub republican base. he is leading in the poll no one predicted that. this harkens back to 2012 i think there are certain people in the prub republican base who are dissatisfied. >> how about simple human
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leavety. it's entertaining how would you like listening to that mush mouth to say nothing. >> it's beyond entertaining. >> i guess we can talk about infrastructure. i believe it. it's not entertaining. >> no, it's not. i think one out of four one out of five one out of six republicans, they want a venter in chief. they still are upset about obama becoming president. they feel they've lost control of the country mad as hell not going to take it anymore. it doesn't matter what donald trump zblez it does matter. i think he says they target. >> he doesn't agree fully. he's narrowing it down. >> he's attacking the media. it concerns the most that's why i like fox and the under water walrus www on noon time on radio, they had the liberal media. >> it's not just that he is also going after other people even in his own party like john
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mccain and lindsey graham who are not fan favts of conservatives. >> that will change the world. >> the people that are doing well are running against washington, d.c. they think it's broken they're tired of these people. >> why does it not work? it always worked. >> it's particularly not working. ronald reagan did it. by the way, i think bernie sand herbs is doing it. >> are you going to do what ted cruz, the buildup of bernie? you guys all love bernie. >> aren't you doing a buildup of donald trump? >> there we go. he's legitimate isn't he? here we go. >> you're so cooperative. thank you, david cornish, when we return let me finish on the slur by the president by one marco rubio. you are watching "hardball," a place for politics. alright, let's take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than
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let me finish with this slur on the president by marco rubio. i think ritz there in the conversation this familiar disdain for barak obama. no matter what's going, it's considered good politics to dump on him. not just the president but the man. to win the favor of the nastiest person in the world say something nasty about the president of the united states and this is what debatesnd politics is right here. it's regular casual in the basement. don't just disagree with him or her or put down their arguments or policies or achievements, no
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you want to truly score, you do in there for the skill and put down their personal belive your tear upbringing, you say they have na class. senator rubio was given a chance to take back his slur. he refused to do so. i think he should find another way. knocking the other side ends the discussion. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes begins right now. >> tonight on "all in". >> these people had a vision, a name a future. it wasn't too die as they did horribly in this theater her. >> a gunman opens fire in a movie theater, three dead including the gunman and nine injured. >> you never think this could happen in your back yard. >> tonight a new call for gun reform amid criticism for louisiana's governor. then a doozee of a political ad that photo


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