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her or put down their arguments or policies or achievements, no you want to truly score, you do in there for the skill and put down their personal belive your tear upbringing, you say they have na class. senator rubio was given a chance to take back his slur. he refused to do so. i think he should find another way. knocking the other side ends the discussion. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes begins right now. >> tonight on "all in". >> these people had a vision, a name a future. it wasn't too die as they did horribly in this theater her. >> a gunman opens fire in a movie theater, three dead including the gunman and nine injured. >> you never think this could happen in your back yard. >> tonight a new call for gun reform amid criticism for louisiana's governor. then a doozee of a political ad that photo shops president
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obama with the president of eastern. >> preventing iran from getting the bomb is essential to our safety. >> plus new details on the chicago oversight scandal. are you saying this was essentially ricked? >> yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. >> a racist rant lands hulk hogan in hot water. >> it's tough. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from no i'm chris hayes. police today identified the two women killed in last night's shooting attack at a crowded point of view theater in lafayette, louisiana, where a gunman injured nine people 33-year-old jillian johnson played the ukelee in an all women country band. 21 yeerd mayci breaux starting radiology school her sister says breaux had taught her to be a good person. people are seeking an explanation for the violence, something to make sense of why it happened t. gunman john
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russell hauser who took his own life after the attack had a history of mental illness, described as a history of mental abuse. last night's attack marked the second time if six weeks a gunman opened fire in public dylann roof killing 19 african-americans in a church. mohammed abdullahazeez. now john russell hauser. these killers had different political beliefs and motivations and almost nothing in common except for two things. they were all men and they all had access to guns. yesterday in a bbc interview, president obama talked about his biggest frustration as president. >> it is the fact that the united states of america is the one advanced nation on earth in which we do not have common
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sense gun safety laws even in the face of repeated mass killings and you know if you look at the number of americans killed since 9/11 by terrorism, it's less than 100. if you look at the number that have been killed by gun violence, it's in the tens of thousands. >> joining me now charlie peters, writer and "es q4" magazine charlie, there is something very dark and unsettling about the routineness with which we are now about it parce these, an active shooting people aren't panicked in the control room. people know the drill because this has now become something it almost appears in the american psyche like tornadoes or wildfires or hurricanes. >> i want someone to make the argument as honestly as possible that one of these shootings
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every two weeks is the price we by a for our freedom in this country. i want -- i don't want both of those divorced anymore. one of the people opposed to sensible gun laws to please make that argument that this is just something we have to take as a population because we have a second amendment. the honesty would be refreshing at this point. >> we don't, in every individual case, you will go through and talk about this in a bit, well, oh this person should have failed a background check or didn't or gun laws wouldn't aplay. the issue is more broadly, right, when you zoom out, what the president said is undeniably true. mass shootings we have become totally accustomed to inert to are absolutely an outlyer that lies solely with us. >> the two words that i think should be eliminated from the dictionary when dealing with another mass shooting are unspeakable and unthinkable.
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because quite honestly if at this point you cannot think about how one of these things happens, then you haven't been paying attention and if we don't speak about it then they're going to keep on happening. i mean i think when you say bobby jindal gets up and says who would believe this happened here? let's go through the history of louisiana. shall we? the riots in 1866 the colfax mass massacre, in alabama there were 540 lynchings between the 1880s and 1950s in louisiana. so don't tell me that public violence is unthinkable. we've thought about it a lot. >> there is going to be obviously, another round of the thing that happens in the wake of these, a conversation about gun violence, a conversation about gun u gun safety. you have been chronicleing politics for a long time. you've seen ups and downs. you've seen issues stall and then break through.
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what is your take on where this issue is? >> i mean i have been covering politics long enough that i remember when sensible gun control was a very much a bipartisan issue. when everybody i mean in the wake of the assassinations of martin luther king and robert kennedy, lyndon johnson, who at that point was the lamest duck you could possibly have in the white house managed to get a gun control passed because both sides recognized something needed to be done. the transformation of that is almost the dark side of the transformation that we as a nation have taken towards tobacco. >> right. >> in which tobacco was completely main streamed when i was growing up now is in apema. guns have gone the other way. >> that is a great point, too, because a part of what made tobacco an athema is the argument about the massive and human cost of tobacco that
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people that states were paying hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars that huge amounts of human misery that would be preventible was cascading through a society that we could reduce all of that misery and that cost with a whole bunch of policy not outlawing it. not saying you can't smoke. all sorts of policies around the margin margins and the same holds true for gun violence if we understood in the same terms. >> for some reason i give credit and i mean i give credit in the most general sense to the dark magic of the national rifle association for divorcing what is plainly a public health problem from the politics of it. our politics now seem completely incapable of viewing gun violence as a public health problem that it is. the other thing that i think that has not taken hold with guns that took hold with tobacco is that you had faces attached to the people making a buck off human misery. >> yeah. >> we don't yet have that with
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guns. >> that is right. the tobacco companies were much more front and center. one they have done is act as a kind of heat shield for the gun industry. the gun industry is difficult to come up with the names and face of those folks, everyone can name them off here. that's a part of actually the role of the nra plays. >> yeah i mean the primary constituency of the national rifle association as an organization are gun manufacturers, not gun owners. that's been plain for years. >> charlie pierce thank you very much. >> thank you. >> louisiana where last night's attack took place has the nation's second highest rate of gun deaths as well as some of the weakest gun laws in the country. louisiana's republican governor seeking the nomination has an a-plus rating with the nra and signed in law at least a dozen gun-related bills to expand access to firearms including bills allowing people to take guns into church and restaurants
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that serve alcohol. jindal regularly posts photos where he captioned my kind of campaign style. last month after president obama called on the country to do something in the wake of the murder of nine people at a church in charleston. jindal called the president's complents comments completely shameful and accuse the president of scoring cheap political points adding it was a time for prayer not politics. yet, after a gunman killed five service members earlier this month in chattanooga. jindal says this shooting underscores the greatest reality by radical islamic terrorism every single day. it's time for the white house to wake up and tell the true. jond am again called for prayer and late today he rejected calls for immediate conversation about how to address gun violence. >> there will be a long time for that conversation. we're less than 24 hours out. we got two families that need to bury their loved ones familys
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waiting for loved ones to leave the hospital and praying for full recoveries. now is the time to talk about the victims. there will be time to talk about policy and politics. i'm sure people will want to score politic points off this tragedy. right now, it's time to focus on these families. >> right now a democrat state represent terry landry a representative, i wanted to get your thoughts as a representative of lafayette as a man who served the police department for mr. yearsany years in law enforcement. you were saying people were trying to score cheap political points by raising this policy matter in the wake of the horror that happened in your town? >> well chris, i'm going to leave the government comments to the evaluation of the american people. i think they understand and know and can discern what is political and not political. we are all grieving for these families and alt this very tragic incident but we also are
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aware that the area that i live in the district that i represent has four unsolved murders. we have four unsolved murders in this district. so i'm going to leave the governor's comments to his political -- let the people make the assessment if who is politicizing this and who is not politicizing it. >> do democrats in the house and in the senate in that state, do you have concrete policy plans on gun safety that you could be pushing that you have tried to push and have been time mied byy stymied by the governor? >> this is my first time four years ago, we had been playing with the gun proponents and expansion of guns in this state. we have been playing political defense with them. simply because we have one of the most liberal gun law, a concealed handgun. but it has restrictions.
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itative gutted the restrictions and made it basically a shell and they continue every 84 to come back and chip away at all the restrictions that are in place not only in the second amendment but on those laws that apply here in louisiana. so i got to be honest with you. we are playing defense and continuedally trying to prevent this expansion where it's a everybody who wants to carry a gun with carry a gun. that's not the best position i'd like to be in. hopefully, hopefully, prayerfully, but after some of these mass incidents that we can move and have a conversation. the thing that's erotic with me. the people don't want to have a conversation. you hear the same old thing, guns don't kill people. people kill. i mean when are we going to have a debate? i think when we put gun rights in front of human rights we're on a slippery slope as a society as a country and definitely as a community doctor well one of the things i should note here. we have reporting about the origin of the gun that this individual used in the murders last night. it was purchased legally. it was purchased in alabama
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which shows two things one gun regimes tend to go state by state. as people in illinois will tell you. if you are adjacent to say indiana, that will bleed over into your state. in this case it appears to be the case. second of all the gun was purchased legally and finally, the information we're getting about the individual who did this there are so many red flags, i mean if there was going to be a test case of an individual who had done things in the past that indicate he might be violent who had been flagged by people close to his family who had apparently boobie has house and ranted and almost committed to a mental institution this should be a test case for an individual who should not have a firearm? >> reporter: well i agree with it. chris, we don't have any boundaries. you can go from one state to another. if you don't like the regulations in one state, can you go to another state. all have you to do is fill out a background at a legitimate gun
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storech these face-to-face things exchanges at gun shows, people have no idea who the person is. those are the loopholes that are causing us a problem. i am definitely not advocating we have a massive amendment to repeal the second amendment. i'm a provider. i'm a protector of this second amendment. i served the country not only in the arms i have 30 years of law enforcement. i kaeshd a weapon every day to protect the rights and constitutions of our citizens. but my problem is, my concerns is the proponents of gun, of the second amendment. by the way, there is a key words, the second amendment says well regulated. to me there is some restrictions. i believe in the second amendment as i do in the first amendment. but we have to have restriction of those amendments. we are not advocating people go out and remove all the guns, we're trying to close the loopholes that people do don't
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deserve having guns are not capable of making rash decision and put people in the position here in lafayette three weeks ago at the armory the sandy hook killing. can i go on and on and on. when are we going to really be serious about having a conversation about keeping it out of the hands of the people that don't deserve them. >> still ahead the political ad that photo shopped president obama shaking the hand of president rohani of iran. donald trump surges to new highs in the polls, his 2016 contenders vie for attention wherever they can. >> we now know that when the majority leader looks us in the eyes and makes an express it commitment that he is willing to say things that he knows are false. r good gummies plus energy support. it's a new fiber supplement that helps support regularity and includes b vitamins to help convert food to energy. mmmmm, these are good!
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extraordinary attack. senator ted cruz taking the floor of the u.s. senate to call his own majority leader a liar. >> the majority leader looked me in the eye and looked 54 republicans in the eye. i cannot believe he would tell a flat out lie and i voted based on those assurances that he made to each and every one of us. what we just saw today was an absolute demonstration that not only what he told every republican senator but what he told the press over and over and over again was a simple lie. >> the issue a vote that senator mitch mcconnell has scheduled on the import/export bank cruz opposes, however, calling the majority leader a liar is a breach of senate decorum and perhaps its rules, which preclude a for from using any form of words to impute to any
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other senator or other as far as any conduct or motive unbecoming a senator a. fellow sexen, aide's to senator john cornyn said they are reviewing the speech. ted cruz battles against his fellow republicans to get on the debate stage. the latest on that fight ahead. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com.
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ads trying to scare the bejesus out of the good people of the badger state. >> if dangerous times, the american people deserve the facts. iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world. iran even played a role in helping the 9/11 killers and iran's radical islamic leaders have made it clear the worst is yet to come. a iran is funding terrorism not just in the middle east but in africa asia south america and right here in the united states. some of our leaders, like ron johnson, understand that preventing iran from getting the bomb is essential to our safety. others like president obama insist on signing toothless agreement that makes us less safe. >> wow, how about that terrifying footage. it's scary, some comes from isis propaganda videos. this is amazing. can you believe president obama actually shaking hands with the president of iran? okay he never did that that
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that never happened. it would be monumental news if they had. the image appears to be photo shopped from this one on the left, him greeting the then prime minister in 2011. different leaders. different countries. different men. when buzz feed noticed the picture and contacted the group restoration pack their spokesmen responded, i don't know what you are talking about. you are saying that's a photo shop. can you explain what you are talking about? the pack explained the photo has been widely circling on the internet. there are no articles claiming it's fake which is again hilarious, if obama and rahani seemed off for a separate grip and grin nonetheless, out of an aboundance of caution, they revised the ad with a better image. the allies are unclear, but at least their guy doesn't have too much role like say serving on the senate foreign relations
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committee. oh, wait here he was here at the iernl deal quizzing nuclear physicist the energy secretary on some let's just say charitably pretty fringe theories of the electromagnetic pulse weapons or emps. >> emp attack like somebody like north korea or iran it can be conducted from a ship off our coast using a scud missile. >> i'm highly concerned. as you secretary of energy not even aware of these recommendations made public in 2008. >> joining me now wisconsin native and editor-in-chief of "progressive" magazine this nuclear physicist basically has to indulge the frankly really fringy paranoid theories of weaponry and kind of pretend the gentleman from wisconsin may be
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up to point and he'll look into it. that was something. >> oh my god. you know i mean i actually asked a few people what they think we need to say about ron johnson and the.reels. because every time our senator is in the news it's something leak this. it's just unbelievable and then he wentz on and told the energy secretary he would gather sources and sends them to him so he can fill them in on this little known technology. >> ron johnson strikes me as someone who was, had the good fortune of running in the right year when he won in 2010. is that a fairer thing to say about him? >> absolutely. it was a tidal wave backlash reaction. the tea party was strong. ron johnson is the tea partyist of the tea partiers. he defeated somebody who is a brilliant lawyer. if you watch the debates, which four people in wisconsin did, you saw a really brilliant man
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debating a man who gets his information on the internet. it was horrifying when johnson won. i don't think he can do it again. the people of wisconsin first of all haven't seen him. he's not big on showing up for anything. when he shows up it's in right wing media ameerns foss say the children in walk in inner city schools are idiots or college that's not a problem. college is really easy and fun and he paid for his own college. the tuition at the university of minnesota, he says global climate change is caused by sun spots. he has a few votes against human trafficking and the violence against womening a. the list goes on and on and on with ron johnson. he's worse on science. that's when you cringe. every time there is a story about him, it's like this he can't last in a non-backlash year. >> first of all, you mentioned, we should talk about this comment, inner cities. i fi portfolios on o'/* -- i
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think it was interesting because he was speaking in the voice of liberals who have consigned inner city school children to a lifetime of poor education and cast them off as idiots. still offensive another constituency. >> the real importance of that statement is ron johnson and accolade, he bought an atlas shrug and it's a huge privatization fan. the private market does everything better. so he's derisive of liberals who send kids to private school and his point is inner city kids in milwaukee should have voucher schools t. problem is voucher schools in milwaukee are a bunch of fly by fight operations, the results have been abysmal. the kids don't do as well as they do in the are egg lar public schools. there are some terrible schools.
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i visited them. store front operations where kids are learning a curriculum based on bob jones theory no such thing as evolution. it's really shocking to see the conditions that some of these kids are in and to tall this public education. that's what johnson is putting forwardch he's a huge defender of private business. before he was in the senate he testified against an extension of the statute of limitations on lawsuits against clerics because he gave this really impassioned defense of private be how they would be harmed from lawsuits from abused children. it's an extreme ideology anti-public sector anti-public good. >> russ feingold is going to declare against ron johnson for the seat he lost to ron johnson. what do you think his odds are? >> of winning? >> yes. >> i think fine gold has an excellent chance of winning. i think in a presidential election in wisconsin, despite our history and enormously
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police misconduct. to understand why this is such a damming allegation, you have to understand the context of this review for existence. it was created in the wake of one of the worst police misconduct scandals in the country's history. a police commander was systemattically running a torture operation where he tortured more than 100 suspects over two decades starting in the '70s for a variety of mean including electrocution, garnering false confessions, some of which led suspects to death row wrongly. as this scandal unfolded many asked the obvious question how this behavior was able to go on so long? the answer was, nobody was policing the police. the bird scandal, help lead to the independent authority. the authority's own web page said it is headed and staffed by civilian, independent and separate from the chicago police department the two former investigators were willing to go on the record and say
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institutionally it was biassed in favor of police. >> i came to conclusions and then the boss has reviewed my work or the work of my team and decided they did not agree with our conclusions. >> so are you saying this was essentially ricked that basically your supervisors were to turn to get a finding of justified and if your team went out and did the legwork and found it to be unjustified and they would say no and overrule you? >> yes that's exactly what i'm saying. >> particularly with some of our officer-involved shootings, the evidence didn't support the officer's statements and then when the investigators tried to present those case and present them with an unjustified finding, the cases were never pushed through. >> joining me now, the executive director of the chicago justice
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project which chronicles police and misconduct issues in chicago. can you give us a little context about hipra, it's functioning and reputation is? >> it's reputation has never been great. it came out of an office that already had a horrible reputation. when they originally brought in the first chief administrator, she was independent, she had never been a police officer or federal agent. there was some thought she was coming at the job independently. there was good communication skills with her. you could criticize her. she would listen and take to heart what changes needed to be made. recently she left and her first deputy was promoted and things have changed. >> things have changed in what respect? >> well, he is an exdrug enforcement agency officer with the dea for many years. he's retired now from the dea. it certainly seems like he doesn't take criticism. he doesn't engage with communities anywhere near as well as his predecessor did and there is definitely a lot more
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rumblings within the agency of a lot more issues this is just two of them you are seeing now. >> my sense now, i should be very clear the gentleman if question issued a statement. he said he's defended the integrity of the incidents of hipra and said some of the issues, i'll read there a few cases, loernz davis worked on were found to be incomplete by all three levels of management above '09,all with equal or greater experience bus they did not include all available evidence and in some cases were brild built on assumptions, in some cases, he rejected subordinates and told them to change their recommendations. what i want to be clear of are the states. which is to say i cannot say these two allegations these two gentleman are make iraqi true or fought. i can report they're saying them. they're willing to go on the record with them. if it is true, though it does call into question the entire reason of hipra as a body and accountability for police in
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chicago. >> yeah. and this is a problem systemically with police accountability throughout the country. this is fought just a chicago thing. this happens to be highlighted right now in chicago. since hipra was created, one being found out in the guidelines, that blows off statistical charts out of the water. how is that possible? then they're so not transparent. they're so covered up in everything they do. you see it from this statement. why didn't the chiefed a machineied ay chief administrator sit down with reporters? it's not the way it's done. few look at the statement, there was a report locally at least that was written by the mayor's press office. >> i want to extend the conversation to come on and talk about the work they're doing there. i want to zero in on a statistic you said which strikes me more unsettleing in some ways tan complaints lodged by the two individuals you talked to.
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400 officers-involved shootings investigated by hipra only one found to be unjustified or outside the guidelines. >> yeah. and it's very you know that's what they look at. they only look at the chicago police department's rules as they're set up and then whether the shootings at the moment the trigger was pulled whether or not they were within the guidelines. >> that gets very tricky because there is a rule on there that says, it might be a right one. it says if an officer is in fear of losing their weapon. they can shoot. all they have to do is the perception. what was their thinking? if you can, you can shoot. >> that justifies a lot of shootings. >> i want to be clear here. >> that is distinct from fear for their life. you are saying in the rulebook the chicago police department if an officer, fought just if fear for their life in fear for losing their weapon they can fire that weapon? >> yes but understand that two officer and to many people that would be one in the same. >> right. >> if you get overpowered and
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use your weapon you most likely think that person is going to shoot you. >> it makes some sense. hipra looks at just that moment. they don't look at the totality of the circumstances. what happened when you pulled up. whether or not bad tactics were led that led to that shooting. that's a big issue. i get texted from officers at least a few times a year look into this shooting. look into this shooting it was bad tactics. one other issue people need to know about the independence of hipra if there is anything is that it doesn't maintain their own data system. >> right. >> so all of the data that they interabout the cases they investigate, they actually enter into the chicago police department's database. >> right. >> it's all maintained there. >> thank you for your time. appreciate it. still ahead, hulk hogan reportedly caught on tape using a racial slur now fired by the wrestling company he helped make famous. the jetta. but what about a deal? terry, stop!
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more news in the continuing saga of icons. according to a joint report from radar online and the national "enquirer" wrestling legend hulk hogan was secretly videotaped using the "n" word and saying he is racist. hogan bemoaned how a black billionaire guy offered to fund her music career saying quote, i don't know if brooke was f'ing
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the brack guy's sun, i mean i don't have double standards, i am a racist to a point, f'ing "n" word i'd rather have her marry an 8-foot call n word i guess we're all a little ratist. f'ing word. that's not text i ever expected to encounter. the tape as a part of the web sloois site gawker. they have not seen the tape or verified the transcripts. the wwe since severed all ties skruk all mentions from the online store. today he apologized saying it was unacceptable for me to use that offensive language. there is no excuse for it. i apologize for having do it. i am disappointed with my own beliefs. the fained wrestlers comments come in racial reckoning.
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the legacys of white supremacy like the confederate flag. now the reckoning extended the crown jewel of fundraising across the land. the jefferson-jackson dinner. over 100 years the who's who have attended the fundraiser. the problem with that is thomas jefferson was famously a slave owner and andrew jackson who owned slaves was guilty of the most ethnic cleansing in the nation's history. now connecticut has become the first state party to rename the event, severeing the ties of slavery, my question is is that the right thing to do? we will talk about it next.
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smoothies! only from tums. joining me now to talk about a racial reckoning from hulk hogan to james peterson director of africaa studies at lehigh university. you have been doing a great podcast on slavery and i recommend everyone check out. what do you think? i have always thought as a democrat, it's weird when i have been to democratic functions that it's weird to call at this time jefferson-jackson dinner for very obvious reasons and it is surprising to me that connecticut is going to take the name off. >> that is a big step. what do you think of it? >> i am with you. i always thought he was weird. it's a beg step. it's been a legacy. for so long we have had dinners, despite the fact that the modern party is ten you
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waited. there is no real particular connection between the democratic party then and of now other than the fact that they share the same name. if you name a dinner after the founder, it would be something leak the roosevelt-johnson dinner that actually that tells you something about today's party. jefferson-jackson, there is no connection and i'm glad they're doing it. it seems about time. >> i think there is a question. whether there was going to be a social sense if the confederate flag maybe we should get rid of mississippi too. you see mitch landrieu you see discussion about things being renamed across the country. this to me is a concrete sign that reckoning isn't quite over yet. >> its true. christians, i appreciate your comments on this. we don't want to get caught up
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in the trappings of symbolism. you know between sally hemings and the trail of tears, if we're not going to change the name of the jefferson-jackson dinner we should think seriously of excavating that history around it. i don't know if we should throw out the legacy we should confront and talk about what those figures represent. it's one way of reckoning with the history of the united states. the lesson is clear for all of us here. the election of the first black president we have to keep our eyes on the prize in terms of the substance of policies and progressive change when it comes to issues of institutional racism if our country. >> i want to talk about this little mini brew-ha ha that's erupted about black lives matter and martin omale got up and used the phrase all lives matter and that made some people upset. they sort of challenged him on that. he later apom united statesed
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for saying that basically because that phrase has been an eraser of a graham for quality of justice. jeb bush asked about o'malley apologizing on live matter. this was his response. >> no, for crying out loud. but we are so uptight and politically correct now you apologize for saying lives matter? life is precious. it's a gift from god. i frankly think that it's one of the most important values we have. i know in the political context it's a slogan should he apologize? >> no. if he believes it like lives matter he shouldn't apologize to a group that seemed to disagree with it. >> two things first of all, obviously, no one thinks only black lives matter t. statement is black lives matter too. that's obvious to everyone. if you want to say all lives matter, let's act like it.
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it means we would have national mourning and grief when a yug boy in pakistan is accidentally killed by our drones and huge percentages of our gdp to getting rid of malaria in the developing world. >> how about that? >> it would be in a constant state of mourning and grief if we were to seriously take that seriously, if we meant all lives matter. actually, no one means that in american politics. >> no not at all. >> absolutely not. >> even on something as simple having the end to child poverty, yes, we're okay huge numbers of american children live in crushing poverty. if we believed all lives matter that's a problem we could solve relatively easy. it's not a tough problem to solve. >> james, nate silver crunched these numbers about this mortality rate of black men in america. resembling in terms of their sort of likelihood of them being
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killed early there are huge disparities at play here? >> yeah the irony of jeb bush's comments, i'm not surprised about the movement and what the slogan means. the iron my of his comments is all lives matter is the politically correct way of saying it. in the discourse. right? i mean black lives matter is the progressive, saying listen i'm going to get free political advice. all you need to say is black likes matter it's important we have to act knowledge it. this data in terms of the criminal justice system is such that we need this slogan in place. it's very simple. >> it does it. let's just be clear. i have never encountered it in
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my life people who think that only black lives matter that is an opinion. >> thank you, both. >> thank you. that is "all in" for this evening. the "rachel maddoe" show starts now. >> good evening. chris hayes of the all nominated show, "all in" with chris hayes, congratulations, very exciting. have a great weekend. it's true he got nominated, it's true he's amazing thanks to you for joining us at this hour. there is a lot to come. a lot of news in the world tonight we will have an update on what we learned today and tonight about the latest misshootings. inexplicable. in lafayette, louisiana, a man with a semi automatic handgun shot and wounded

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