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we had so many people outside and i just want to thank you. actually the des moines register is standing outside, too. that's sort of funny. so it was sort of funny. you know it's a super liberal rag, not respected around here. but they come out with an editorial. mr. trump, i'm ready to look at every poll. people are tired.
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not because of me. they're tired. >> welcome to "morning joe." it continues, mika. i heard it. i heard it throughout the weekend. i heard it -- i heard it on the sunday talk shows. i heard it around dinner tables with a lot of leaders in america all saying yeah we know trump is not going to win, but we know trump won't be there at the end, but. and i'm starting to hear from relatives and other people that are actually supporting donald trump, a real growing anger that their views are being dismissed when he's so far ahead in one poll after another poll. this weekend, at flurry of polls that show not only he's winning nationally he's winning state by state by state. also some pretty stunning numbers. the latest nbc news polls unfavorable and unfavorables, the temperature at thepeople at the top of the
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pack are at the bottom of the pack when it comes to unfavorables. >> it's interesting on both sides. we have bernie sanders gaining ground on hillary clinton and hillary clinton making headlines over the weekend as well. with us on set, we have managing he had sore of "bloomberg politics," mark halperin and kacie hunt. and in washington and host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell. and director of the national journal, ron fornier. there is a lot of news this morning. you mentioned the polls. another new day with donald trump in the lead. he went back to iowa this weekend nipping at the heels of scott walker who has been the consistent front-runner in the hawk eye state. the new nbc poll shows trump trailing by just two points. this after one of walker's
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fundraisers was revealed calling trump as dumb dumb in an e-mail to donors. the fund-raiser stood by the comment saying donald trump is not going to be president of the united states ever period end of story. in iowa saturday trump responded. >> scott walker you know he's a nice guy. he came up to my office three, four months ago, presented me with a plaque because i helped him with his election. then today i read this horrible statement from his fundraise-raiser about trump. i said oh, finally i can attack. finally. finally. i would have never done. this i didn't know. because i hear him the only one beating me in iowa is scott walker. he grew up next door. i mean he's like right next door. little advantage, right? except wisconsin is doing terribly. first of all, it's in turmoil.
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the roads are a disaster because they don't have any money to rebuild them. they're borrowing money like crazy. they projected a $1 billion surplus and instead of a -- i wrote this stuff all down. although i don't need it because i have a really good memory. they projected aed ed$1 billion surplus and it is a deficit of $2.2 billion. and money all over the place. the schools are a disaster and they're fighting like crazy because there's no money for the schools. the hospitals and education is a disaster. and he was totally in favor of common core. he's the only guys that ahead of me. i can't believe i'm in second place. finally am in second place to iowa. please put me in second place so i feel better? >> i saw a tweet yesterday where you said the gop establishment
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that trump is here to stay. get over it. everybody kept asking the same question. when is goeg toing to blow up? the crowds are getting bigger. the numbers are getting bigger. he's further ahead in national polls. he's further ahead in the important state polls. and at this point, i don't think there's an answer to that. at some point somebody in the national republican party is going to say, you know what? trump is probably here until the end. and we need to get over it. there seems to be a growing momentum not only in the poll numbers but in the crowds that are showing up and also the way he's performing on the campaign stop. >> there are two schools of thought. one is to let him go. let him burn out. try to ignore him. try to most debate to other places not let him be the face of the party. there is another school of thought, do a lot of opposition research find someone willing to spend money and kill him with
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negative ads. the reality is he's not doing well in the sense he's not performing that way. he is clearly making mistakes to some extent are setting him back. he's not organizing in iowa as intensely as he might. as long as he's at the top of the polls and as long as republicans fail to identify why it is he's doing well rather than just railing at him, he's going to be a huge factor in this race. >> joe? >> kacie hunt tell me who else on the campaign side gets the crowds and intensity that donald trump does. >> you know joe, i have to tell you, trump talks a lot about the crowds and when we were on the border and talking about all the people waving american flags. it just didn't happen that way. that's the reality. to a certain extent you listen to what he says about the people that show up may not always line up with what ultimately happens. the republican party, to mark's point, what a lot of the backlash that trump has generated here --
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>> but hold on. let's talk about the crowds. >> you are saying they didn't exist? >> i'm not saying they didn't exist. >> let's talk about the people who show up. i'm going to ask the question again. what republican candidate in the field today gets the crowds and the enthusiasm that donald trump seems to get every time he goes out? >> look, i think -- >> even if the numbers are inflated. >> i've been at events in iowa why marco rubio got enthusiastic crowds. i haven't been to iowa with trump yet. the events i have covered with trump so far, i'm not seeing the kind of crowds that you're talking about. >> he is giving out free lunch. not everybody does that. >> that will do it. all right. let me go to new hampshire. let's take a look at the poll that has trump taking more than a fifth of the votes. seven points ahead of jeb bush. also gaining notice iowa's ohio's
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john kasich. and in a new poll of republican voters trump is favored by 18% with jeb bush within the margin of error at 15% and scott walker close behind. most republicans still believe bush will ultimately be the nominee. only half as many see trump getting the nomination. the poll also found a majority of republicans believe trump should stay in the race. joe, again, i think the kind of underlying story here is the debate and who may not be in the debate including kasich which makes no sense to me and how that's working. i just -- i can't figure out how that actually is a fair fight. let alone the trump story. >> i think kasich jumping to 7% i think they said over the weekend that is one the significant stories. kasich could become a serious challenger if those number keep
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going. who does kasich take from? he's certainly not taking from donald trump. he most likely will be taking from jeb bush and other mainstream governors. so the question is if the republicans are concerned about trump, where do they let the air out of his tires? who does it? >> there's a lot of places he could go. i said that kasich successful governor of ohio who has a record of getting things done while being true to his party's values. he has a long history in politics and public service. he knows how to speak the way people talk. in a perfect world, he would be a first tier candidate. but he's not. that's part of indicative of what is going on with politics. i think with trump, we have a responsibility, all voters but especially journalists to really look hard at this guy and point out mt reasons why hethe many reasons why he would be a horrible, horrible president. and we have to look at the people that are supporting him.
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they're not dumb dumbs. they're not crazies. these are people really fed up with the political process and have every reason to take a harder look at someone like donald trump. and eventually i think they're going to take a hard look at donald trump and go somewhere else. they may not. these are very unpredictable times. i'm not going to say he can't win the domination becausenomination because we isn't say where people are so upset and radical connectivity to the internet we don't know what is going to happen. separate the two things. that's what i want to do. >> and that second one is very important as well. and that's what people haven't looked at yet, mika. an interesting die namynamic is set up now. they say trump doesn't have a shot and he won't be there at the end the more supporters ask why not? they get flooded with e-mails. i get flooded with tweets.
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i get notes from these people who say you people in the media don't get it. stop telling white house we're going to vote for in the end and who we aren't. it's an interesting dynamic. you saw trump go after the des moines register. every attack from the media now and kind of like gene robinson says, only makes him stronger to his core supporters. >> also i've been surprised by what's happened with him. i definitely thought the mccain story was a deal breaker for his candidacy. and it doesn't just seem to be. andrea? >> john kasich is a real player. he is a real record. and in new hampshire, he has senator -- former senator john snu snu who sununu who is a big factor. he could be a big surprise. kasich got into the race so late that in his own state of ohio the shame of the way the debates is structured he is probably
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won't be on the stage. i don't see how that happens in just ten days. but still, if you look at his interview on "meet the press" this is somebody who is not afraid to go and say things that are unpopular, less popular. he is a serious player and should be a serious candidate. >> i still wonder if fox and the rnc should change the way these debates are being done and it should be rethought because it doesn't make any sense. in the race for the democratic nomination, the new nbc news poll shows that hillary clinton is a clear front-runner but that vermont senator bernie sand serzers is gaining ground in iowa. clinton has 55% among registered democrats giving her a 29 point lead over sanders. but in new hampshire, the gap is much narrower. she now leads sanders by just 13 points among granite state democrats. steve ratner what do you
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make -- we're going to get into the whole e-mail controversy, the word criminal versus investigation alone a little later. but there have been major headlines over the past few days. where is this going? >> the e-mail controversy is completely relevant to this polishpoll issue. it's a bump in the road for her. one that as time goes on if nothing else comes of it will pass. the broader point is that bernie sanders while also will not become president just like donald trump will not become president, does he strike a cord not just with democrats, but with many americans left behind and feeling the government is not on their side who are feeling the democratic party is not progressive enough. so there is this undercurrent or maybe not even undercurrent of unhappiness in this country about the state of affairs. >> i want to ask andrea mitchell. if it's fair to assume that donald trump has been underestimated in terms of his impact on the race it is possible andrea that the media
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analysts and others have underestimated the impact of this e-mail situation on hillary clinton's campaign? >> i think so. look you have two inspectors general and they are referring to this to the justice department. you can try to confuse it and there's been a lot of misdirection. there's been inaccurate reporting significantly on thursday night by "the new york times" of not a criminal referral. it could become nothing. but what they are suggesting is that there were classified four out of the 40 randomly selected had classified information and it was not information that was later upgraded to be classified. it was information that was classified as "secret" which is a level of classification at the time. this gets very confusing. it can be confused further by statements on all sides. that said the original sin, if you will is having a private
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e-mail system. >> it's unfixable. >> i know. i was at a security conference speaking to intelligence officials on all sides and the attorney general will talk about that later. but nobody can give an explanation for why a cabinet secretary would have a private e-mail system other than to thwart inquiries and someone who spent 20 years fighting off many investigations, many of which were unwarranted and led nowhere. so you understand the defensive crouch that a lot of clinton people were in. it doesn't explain why going from the senate into a cabinet level position there was a private e-mail system. >> all right. joe? >> and, ron, the clinton camp is in an offensive crouch. they're furiously fighting back with allies in the press, attacking "the new york times." they can't -- what they can't brush away is the fact that the words of the inspector generals
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themselves from the state department and the intel committees that e-mails should have never been sent out on a private server. that it was a security breach and it does need to be investigated. >> well they can't brush away the fact that the secretary said when this first was revealed that there was no confidential information given out. we know it happens when the clintons parse. and it's happening again. let's go back like andrea said to the original sin here. it was unprecedented to have a home cooked server in your house if you're a cabinet secretary. it was against white house policy to have a home cooked server in the basement of your house when you're a cabinet secretary. it was to thwart congressional subpoenas, congressional requests for information and public requests for information. and the only explanation she's given, frankly, isn't very credible. so i think the american -- let me just finish. the american public has the right now has every reason and
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the press has a responsibility to ask her again and again and again what were you hiding mrs. clinton? what were you hiding? >> well there's that and there are two other facets beyond that story. there is the foundation which works with hundreds of millions of dollars that i guess did business through that maybe we don't know. and former president doing speeches taking in millions of dollars. were they all connected? we'll never know. >> as you remember you had me on when this first broke. i told you at the time that there was democrats very close to the clintons folks i've known for years that told me follow the money. there may be a connection between the e-mail controversy and what then was an older controversy about the clinton foundation. are there any e-mail that's were deleted that may still be on the server if the server still exist that's have a connection to the foundation. you have to consider any e-mails about donors. i don't know. the problem is we may never know
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and now there is this lack of trust. it may not show up on the polls. steve may be right. they may say i'm not voting for her because of the e-mails, but people want to trust their leaders. >> mika when you have one poll after another poll showing up side down infavorabilities and trustworthiness. all the people that came on our set and said this e-mail controversy, it's just not having impact on the voters. they're completely wrong. people aren't turning against her on the favorable/unfavorables or trustworthiness because of issues. this is a huge impact. it's a big problem because, you know she destroyed the server. so if she were innocent she couldn't prove it. >> i know. >> mika i'm like you. i'm not a hater. i support her on a lot of the policies. like a lot of americans, it's hard to really be -- to look at her policy issues crediblebly.
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can she really get things done? does she want to get things done if we can't trust her on the issue of fairness. >> whether it odometers favorability ratings, the nbc news poll found that almost all of the major 2016 candidates are viewed negatively by registered voters n iowa every candidate polled besides bernie sanders registered a net negative favorability rating. donald trump was worst with a net score of minus 28. hillary clinton was barely better with a net score of minus 18. jeb bush had a net negative of 12 points. the outlooks appears to be equally dim. he had a whopping 40 points in favorability. hillary clinton, meanwhile, also up side down 20 points among granite state voters. halperin, how i do read this? >> the country is in a sour mood. dhoenlt like people running for president. and, two the two legacy
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candidates are going to have a heavy burden given the moofd thed of the country. someone can win a contest with 18% of the vote. that's why people are underestimating trump. if they think a lot of people don't like him, he doesn't need everybody to like him to win. >> can i say one thing for those who think trump will be a big factor. look at his favorable -- unfavorable ratings. if you look at the general election matchups trump not only loses to hillary clinton, he loses to bernie sanders in the polls. >> general election is far away. in the summer of '92, ross perot was number one in the poll. >> go donald. >> it's fascinating what is happening. it's a factor. >> he is a factor. but he's not going to be president. >> but you are saying if he wins the nomination -- >> he's not going to win the nomination. >> leave that up to the voters. >> i'm happy to leave it up to
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justice department and the fbi which confirms they're considering an investigation. now that investigation could involve the key question, was the clinton server compromised by foreign governments? the clinton campaign, of course forcefully pushed back early friday morning noting this is a security investigation, not criminal one. the inspect jurors general specifically stated this is not a criminal referral even though "the new york times" states mishandling classified information is a crime. if you don't believe that just ask david petraeus. back in march clinton was at mid atlantic that-- adamant that no information was trafficked on her private act. >> i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. there is no classified material. so i certainly well aware of the classification requirements and
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did not send classified material. >> now the clinton campaign is admitting the situation is much more complicated. on friday, they said any released e-mails deemed classified by the administration had been done so after the fact and not at the time they were trans mitted. but even after the corrections, "the new york times" stated flatly that the clinton claim is not true. and yet the next day on saturday hillary clinton herself seemed to be again in denial. >> the facts are pretty clear. i did not send nor seef anything that was classified at the time. >> that's just counter to the roert will. that is counter spo the state department inspect jurors general and counter to the intelligence agencies inspect jurors general. it's stunning she is still saying that this weekend. hillary clinton now claim the documents weren't classified at the time. but again, the inspect jurors general says they were even if they weren't marked classified.
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the obama administration inspect jurors general looked at the information and the e-mail that's clinton provided and made a preliminary finding that she was and is wrong. they say the information, some from the cia and some from the nsa was clearly classified when sent and it's classified now and it's always been classified. according to the igs the four e-mails in question did not contain classified markings and/or dissemination even though she said she was aware of classification requirements. unfortunately for the clinton camp, that's just not the only place that hillary clinton skirted the truth in her press conference. >> after i left office the state department asked former secretaries of state for our assistance in providing copies of work-related e-mails from our personal accounts. i responded right away and
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provided all my e-mails that could possibly be work related which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages even though i knew that state department already had the vast majority of them. >> that claim, of course, is also been proven false by journalists. disclosures by did any bloomen bloomenthal though that's nine embarrass and parts of six others related to libya weren't included in those e-mails that hillary clinton handed over. here's more of hillary clinton back in march. >> i wanted to just use one device for both personal and work e-mails instead of two. it was allowed. as i said it was for convenience and it was my practice to communicate with state department and or government officials on their dot-gov accounts. the e-mails would be
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automatically saved in the state department system to meet record keeping requirements and that indeed is what happened. >> two things clinton has been found using at least two personal devices, not one. she used her cell phone and ipad as e-mail as secretary of state and the state department did not automatically save all the departmental e-mail until february of this year. only a tiny fraction of its e-mails were saved. and that's under the assumption she exclusively used state department e-mails. all in all, this appears to be just to be the tip of the iceberg. the state department inspect jurors general said they found classified materials sent to and from her home baked server eenl though they had access to a small familiar am of 40 e-mails. of those, they found that 4 contained government secrets. that is information that if exposed could potentially harm
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national security. it's information that is meant to be transferred and stored exclusively on secure computer networks with special safeguards. again, of the self selected e-mail that's clinton camp shows to release, one in 10 of those reviewed e-mails seems to have held classified information. put in perspective, hillary clinton turned in over 30,000 e-mails she said were work related. she destroyed tens of thousands of e-mails, wiped clean her home baked server and possibly destroyed copies of countless classified documents improperly stored and sent from the united states top diplomat. the extent of the cover-up if there ever was one, will not be known because that evidence which could either clear or convict her is destroyed by the politician who is now at the center of this national security debate. unfortunately, there seems to be much more to come from this story. what we've seen so far is that it's unlikely that this is going to be the last time hillary
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clinton will be changing her story. you go through it. and you go back. we could talk all morning about that u.n. press conference. it's just baffling to me that they sent her out to say things that they knew were going to be countered in the press and the coming weeks and months. this is a growing problem. >> so let me ask andrea mitchell who is covering campaigns for years. is there something that we're missing here? what is the missing link that could explain this? >> it's hard to figure out what the missing link is. two days after that press conference that i attended at the security council, the general accounting office issued a report that faulted the state department for not saving e-mails. one contentions there is that at least the e-mails would all have been saved automatically at the
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state department. and those would all have been ar kifd. but they weren't. and there was an appalling lack of archiving by the state department for years and years until recently if it's even fixed now. that is not the backup she claimed it was. and perhaps she didn't know how bad the system was. it went into the judgment of having a private server. it seems inkplikable and that is the question that needs to be answered. >> joe? >> mark obviously furious push back from the clinton camp this weekend. what is your take on this? >> it's complicated. why does it matter she used a private server? in the view of many people and the white house, too cavalier. too cavalier in terms of things
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being backed up whether there is a full record of the secretary's oversight. and it also matters, that's why this is a big story, it matters in terms of security. if there's classified information in, there the inspectors general says there was, that stuff is available to be hacked into in the private server that, is a huge breach of her responsibilities. that is where the story is going. will the fbi investigate the question of was there a security breach on the private server or on the outside server, the outside vendor? she is responsible for making sure that there was no security breach. and they've not addressed that one bit. that's why if there was classified information, it matters a lot. >> ron fournier your thoughts? >> this isn't easy for me. i've known the clintons for a long time. they've been great to me. they've been good to my family specifically my son. we talked about that. if you count all times i voted in arkansas with a clinton on
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the ballot, there is nobody at that table that voted more than me. probably nobody in d.c. who vote ford clinton more than me. dpounlt the primaries, i voted gns them too. look, i really have a lot of respect for them. i think they're very good public servants. they're hugely talented people. i thought hillary clinton could be good maybe better president than bill clinton. but when you look at that monologue and when you listen to mark says and andrea says again, i get back to what is really the fundamental question not why she did this. to me the fundamental question is any american that's a right to be asking now and any journalist has responsibility to be asking, what were you hiding? what was on that server that we can't see? why did you hide it? >> okay. a lot more to talk about in terms of the questions and kacie hunt, we have an assignment for you from the trump campaign. the size of the events was
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there an overflowed crowd? were there 500 people waiting at each one. will you report to mr. trump or to us. there is some conflict here that you're saying you're seeing small crowds and they're pushing back. now other campaigns push back about e-mail servers. actually, they care about the crowds. i think it's kind of funny. i actually think you might be wrong, too. >> he overstates the crowds on occasion. >> on occasion? >> but he also draws big crowds on occasion. >> he draws huge crowds. >> those people are always there that are -- >> why are you saying it like they don't exist? >> there have been instances where they overstated the existence of a crowd. >> i feel there is a network news bias seeping through your system. you just can't say it. >> it's just like the net worth. he is very wealthy but he still likes to overstate it. >> that doesn't mean he doesn't have a lot of money. >> hold on a second. i'm glad you brought up the point. so if donald trump says he's
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worth $10 billion but only worth $4 billion, for most people in america, that's still pretty good. if donald trump says 15,000 people were at an arizona rally but there were only 5,000 people at the arizona rally, that's better than jeb bush and everybody else. >> why does he feel like he has to do that? why does he feel like he always has to make something more impressive. >> i want to know if he is. she is going to report. >> hold on a second. maybe he is exaggerating. if he's exaggerating that should be reported. but we should not say here that he's not drawing large crowds. my question was what other republican candidates are consistently drawing the crowds and the -- have the enthusiasm of donald trump? and day in day out, week in week out there is not one right now. that's just the case. >> all right. >> as joe scarborough would say, no doubt about it. april ryan is here and mike 5
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politico, mike allen. really interesting. i still have a huge problem with how these debates are being conducted. let's see if anybody agrees. shawn says the fact that we have primary debates and a field larger than a stage can handle should surprise no one. those who dispute the use of national polls as the basis of deciding who is on stage for the first two debates should keep in mind that networks may use different criteria for subsequent ones. debates are not be all andnd all. they're just part of a larger process. mitt romney did not participate in the first debate of 2012. but he still went on to win the nomination. the system may not be perfect. but had the rnc not tried to improve the debate process, i can assure you that debates would be neither this inclusive nor this orderly. joe, i don't think they're inclusive. >> well no they aren't. i like shawn a lochlt i disagree with him here. i think the debates, i think the
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debates are the leveling to win. you could have somebody that has $100 million and somebody that's got $15. if americans get a shot to see that the man or woman that has $15 more clearly articulate or aggressively state a positive optimistic visionst future that, $100 million does nothing to protect the front-runner. and mike allen, i think this is going to be controversial regardless of the way they do it. but they still something that seems wrong about excluding some of the most qualified candidates in the race. >> you're right. that's why sean's piece, first op-ed in the walt journal,"wall street journal," he makes a great case. it's not just you and mika that have a problem with how the debate lineup is coming out, there is a lot of powerful campaigns that will as well. the rnc punted to fox the mechanics of it. but as we see in that graphic
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and in the projection of who's going to be in you have very serious people out. governor oror jindal governor kasich. >> it's ridiculous. >> and, april if, we're going to use polls, first of all, everybody down plays donald trump and his impact on the race. forget the polls. and then the polls are being used to pick the candidates in the debate? it makes no sense. >> well right now the polls are a strong hold view of what people think at that moment. at this moment trump is leading. but some polls he's leading. i saw the favorability piece saying he was -- his favorability numbers were low. but still, he is still number one in some people's minds. back and forth between him and scott walker. >> people cannot have it both ways, april. they can't say polls don't mat we are trump. >> if the gop, if the gop were really seriously thinking about this, yes, you have your debate of the ten people to include donald trump, scott walker and
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jeb bush. but you also for the group of six or seven or 5,000 when missed out on that, you would have like a small forum prior to the debate. have the candidates talk among themselves and still hear from them. there's a way to make this work. >> but that's what they're doing. both fox and cnn are doing a predebate. i think it's better to be in that first debate. five thoughtful people not dividing the time with donald trump right before the first debate. let's cover that event just as much as we covered the debate. and then it's fine. if you had 16 people on stage, people would talk six minutes each. that's not enough time. >> but you got candidates on stage and the main stage and then those being left out. >> but -- >> each stage equal. >> well that's not what's happening. >> why not? >> you tell me. >> do you have a bunch of candidates that are truly
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marginal. meek yashgs fox see this is problem and looking for ways to fix it. he may look for clips from that first debate the gop forum to be used on the main stage. >> this is a mess. >> yeah. >> it's all good. >> mika the only thing i'll say is george pataki won new york state three times. here's a perfect example of a guy that steve ratner dismissed. i want to hear george pataki. >> i want to hear kasich. >> i want to hear all of them. having a guy that won new york state three times, that's a governor we need to hear right now. >> it's not going to happen. coming up, two big it is down -- it doesn't make any sense. this is unbelievable. >> cover the first debate. >> thank you. yes, i will. >> assignment editor.
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it makes very difficult for law enforcement to carry out our core mission which is preventing terrorist attacks. >> that was a portion of andrea mitchell's interview with u.s. attorney general loretta lynch which will air today on "andrea mitchell reports." another get for you. how concerned is the attorney general about the isis threat? i guess put it in perspective for us if you could. >> there's still al qaeda in yemen and arabian peninsula that is still a major issue although core al qaeda has been diminished. but this isis threat their ability through social media to reach out to the disenfranchised, to young people mostly men looking for something here in the united states in the homeland and telling them strike where you live. that is so frightening. the fact they go dark. the incription is a big issue. so they're meeting with all the online companies, the online
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companies post snowden have huge concerns about privacy and consumer confidentiality about their connection to their clients. and so this is a trorvegsconversation that the intelligence community is just beginning to have. >> add to this you have an interview tomorrow with the director of national intelligence james clapper. where do you go from there? >> we talk to james clapper about a lot of things in national security about this isis threat as well. but also about the iran deal and what their assessment is. overall it's fwoerbetter to have a terror state that doesn't have nuclear weapons but obviously 13 years out there are concerns. he said if they don't cheat, then it's a good deal. but this is part of what he had to say about the iran deal. >> what confidence do you have that this nuclear agreement and the relationship that's have been developed p change the
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behavior regarding hezbollah and the terrorism through proxies and directly through the irg? >> the intelligence community harbors no illusions about iranian behaviors. they're still a state sponsor of terrorism. they still support proxies. hezbollah is an example. that will probably continue and we'll still have responsibility for monitoring those behaviors. now, i don't believe that the agreement in and of itself will change the behavior. there is the prospect i suppose, that it could lead to other things that might change their behavior. >> but as a career intelligence expert going all the way back to vietnam war, he's not taking anything for granted in terms of changing their behavior. he does think that overall it's better to have the deal than not have the deal. and his assessment the assessment of all the intelligence agencies all 16 including the cia is going to be
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welcome back to "morning joe." mark halperin ron fournier and april ryan off with us and joining the conversation from washington, michael warren. good to you have onboard, michael. joe, i'm looking at all the papers. this is the front page of the "boston globe".." am i the only one that thinks he's going to jump in for sure? >> yeah. i just don't know why he wouldn't jump in. what's he waiting for? you've got a front-runner that is up side down in a lot of polls. a lot of questions.
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mark halperin, what are you hearing from the biden camp? >> if she looks week before the filing deadlines, think he'll get in. but she is still in fund-raising and grassroots support and organizational support. i think he'll shy away from that fight. >> donald trump went to iowa nipping at the heels of wisconsin governor scott walker who has been the consistent front-runner in the hawk eye state. the new nbc-marist sees him trailing by a few points. the fund-raiser stood by the comment. donald trump is not president in the united states ever period end of story.
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in iowa saturday trump responded. >> scott walker is a nice guy. he came to my office three, four months ago and presented me with a plaque because i helped him with his election and then today i read this horrible statement if his fund-raiser about trump. i said oh, finally i can attack. finally. i hear the only one beating me in iowa is scott walker. he grew up next door. a little advantage. wisconsin's doing terribly. it's in turmoil. the roads are a disaster because they don't have money to rebuild them. they're borrowing money like crazy. they projected aed 1dz billion ed1$1 billion surplus. they projected a $1 billion
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surplus and it turns out to be a deficit of $2.2 billion. and money all over the place. the schools are a disaster. they're fighting like crazy. there is no money for the schools. the hospitals and education is a disaster. and he was totally in favor of common core. he's the only guy ahead of me. i can't believe i'm finally in second place to iowa. folks, please put me in first place so i feel better. >> the only thing that is a disaster is the state of anybody's analysis of the front-runners, these debates and analysis of hillary clinton's e-mail to impact on that. in my opinion. joe, i think everyone is wrong. >> yeah. i think the media is suggesting they won't have an impact on the
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race. it s you look at the numbers, it has. we had people a month ago con temperature shus of the fact that we suggest he might have an impact in the race. i want to talk about onest of the youngest, most excited, marco rubio n new hampshire, marco rubio is at 5%. you go to ohio. put up the iowa poll. you can say carson is down low. serve low. trump is -- has sucked the air out of it n iowa marco is not even in the top tier. ted crews was going iowa for a month or so. mike huck abewon it at 7%. what has happened to the candidates that we were talking
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so much about two, three months ago? it's surprising he's not on the first sheet in iowa. >> he is running a national campaign. if you assume you need to do well and maybe win one of the first four states the question for him still is where is he focussed? he spent time in iowa and nevada. he has to focus on one or two of the early states. he is thoughtful. he can't check ted cruz in the senate. we saw that on the weekend. he doesn't have the fund-raising of jeb bush. he's still a player in this to be sure. there are a lot of people who think he'll wear well. but right now the snapshot of where we are it's difficult to see how he is anyplace can you argue he is really catching on. >> what state would you have him
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focus on? >> i don't see a logical early state for him to do well. >> joe? >> we can talk about rand paul. we can talk about ted cruz. you have all of the people who donald trump has just come in and he's literally sucked all the protest votes, all of the oxygen out of this room and there are three, four five candidates that are really feeling the effects of trump more than anybody else. yeah, and they're getting desperate. mike huckabee lost a ton of votes in the last couple polls. you compare the president's policy on iran which you can disagree with, you don't compare it to the holocaust. that is disgusting. he's trying to get attention. you had ted cruz accusing him of being a liar. there is a different between a misstatement with a law.
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and you better be able to back it up. cruz wasn't able to do it. why is he doing this? he's trying to get attention. they're all desperate. it is going to pull the discourse to the bottom and pull the party to the right. you know ron is absolutely right. i think everyone is trying to outdo one another with the trump sensationalism. and going back to the issue of cruz, what cruz did with mitch come mcconnell is saying he's a liar, there are rules on the senate floor that you're not supposed to do this. i'm wondering thou is going to be handled. we have to see if cruz is found in violation of senate rules. there say lot of stuff going on now because of everyone trying to get the spat light. >> okay. so, again, we'll get to that. because we want to show people what happened there. on the other neat that we were on the new nbc poll shows that hillary clinton remains a clear
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front-runner. bernie sanders is gaining ground. in iowa, clinton has 55% support among registered democrats giving her a 29 point lead over sanders. but in new hampshire, the gap is much narrower. she now leads sanders by just 13 points among granite state democrats. when it comes to favorable ratings, the poll found that almost all the major 2016 candidates reviewed negatively by registered voters in the early voting states. bush registered a net negative of 12. in new hampshire, the outlook appears to be equally dim. once again, trump had the worst score, a whopping 40 points underwater in favorability. hillary clinton down 20 points
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among granite state voters. what does this mean? beseeds people are fed up with everybody? >> i just have this idea that trump runs as a third party candidate. they'll have a bunch of people running for president that everybody hates. i mean this is, i think, we have hillary clinton reaching the trump levels of unfavorability. i think it reveals sort of how we choose. and we were talking early better whether or not joe biden gets in. he has to be looking at these numbers and thinking she's a paper tiger. it's all wide you know support. but it's not very deep. and joe biden thooz think why can't i be the successor to the obama administration and obama presidency? he's got as much claim or more claim to it than hillary does. it just looks like she's much weaker than everybody thought. i think this e-mail story is just -- adds fuel to the fire of
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that. >> joe i definitely see an independent run by trump. and i also see biden in. i don't know. i don't see this going any other way. you know i think there is a great possibility that if donald trump doesn't win the republican nomination he will be the independent candidate running against possibly clinton and bush possibly. but steve ratner you know we had a discussion you and i the other night and a lot of other people talking about the polls and what a snapshot means in july. we know as far as a horse race aspect, doesn't mean a lot at the end of the day other than it helps you raise money and build organizations. if you know how to build on that. it does make a difference. but those negatives that trump, clinton and bush are carrying right now, that is something that doesn't just go away. and suggests the possibility of an extraordinarily volatile 2016
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race especially if it's between the bottom three people that have such large net ufr unfavorability ratings. >> it is an unusual situation to have such a negative unfavorability. i disagree with mika. i'm in a different place on the question of what happens with trump. i don't think he's going to run -- i don't think he'll do it. he'd have to spend some considerable amount of money. he'd have to spend some of his own money to do it. he's end up losing. i'm not sure that's what he wants to do. i agree with mark i think it's really going to come down to where hillary is. i think hillary clinton needs to get this issue off the table as best she can. by being as open and dpis closive as pos bibl what happened. and then the lekt rattle judge and hopefully they'll see it as
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a small piece of a much more attractive package and she'll go on. >> how can she do that? i think she can say i have no secrets. >> but it's scrubbed. >> what? >> it's scrubbed. >> not necessarily. if it, is it is. but at least she will have done what she can to try to right the ship. >> that system had backups. >> yeah, but who is having that conversation? who is having that conversation saying scrub this? who is saying that to who and why? >> she was asked that in the cnn interview and chose not to answer the question. >> that's just -- >> people delete e-mails all the time. >> let's scrub this entire server? okay. joe? the biggest problem is for her when you start having inspect jurors generals of the intel committees and the state department talking about the possibility of a mishandling of
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classified documents and you have america's most important general of the past 10 15 years pleaing the criminal charges for much, much less than that. it becomes a very serious issue. scrubbing a home baked server is serious and i agree with steve ratner. i think the only way to get this behind her is to put everything on the table, say she screwed up apologize and put herself at the mercy of something clinton's don't do of the american people. this is no way forward. you look at the poll numbers. you look at her disapproval ratings. this cannot sustain itself over the next year. >> the poll numbers we've been looking at in terms of the ufr favor with the electorate she is doing very well with democrats despite the threat from bernie sanders. he's never going to win a
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referendum up or down. what she counted on is what george bush qualified on. that is an unacceptable choice. >> now to the comments by ted cruz on the senate floor which is forcing the colleagues to take sides. it began on friday. the presidential candidate accused majority leader mitch mcconnell of lying to him. and other republican senators about a deal to reauthorize the export-import bank. >> the majority leader looked at me and said there is no deal. there is no deal. there is no deal. like st. peter, he repeated it three time. it was xriking a minute ago saying the democratic leader harry reid calling out the majority leader for filling the tree, for engaging in the same procedural abuse that hair reid did over and over and over again in this body. now the republican lead erer is behaving line the seeker senator from nevada.
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what we just saw today was an absolute demonstration that not only what he told every republican senator but what he told the press over and over and over again. was a simple lie. >> several republicans went after cruz for an attack and a special session yesterday including mcconnell himself. there is overwhelming bipartisan support even if i oppose it it doesn't require some special deal to see a vote occur on that measure. this is the united states senate after all. where we debate and vote on all kinds of different issues. >> they have no place nothing among colleagues in the united states senate.
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we're not here on some frolic or to pursue personal ambitions. this is a high and holy calling. it's not something to take lightly. it's a sacred trust in which grandstanding should have no part. it is entirely consistent. this is the greatest deliberatetive body to speak the truth. speaking the truth is actions. >> mike halperin i just say it's stunning. when i comes to first amendment cases, there is something called time place manner. it's one thing if you say that at a des moines cafe sitting over pancakes in the middle of
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january much it's quite another to say that on the senate floor. people say it's the world's most exclusive club. it's like a row boat a tiny row boat. and everybody depends on everybody else and one person can make 99 people's lives miserable. that's why i don't know what the next play is for ted cruz in the united states senate if this campaign doesn't work out for him. >> it's a short term play. the people who support him now love him not playing about it rules, even by the most basic rules. the reason why i think it's a bad long term play for him besides making his life unhappy in the senate is if he's going to be the republican nominee, he's going to have to win some early states. then have the staep. say let's get onboard. he is alienating the establishment. they'll resolve to stop him at all costs. that's going to keep -- decrease the chances of being the nominee. >> do you agree?
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>> yeah i guess so. i'm not surprised about the polls we talked about earlier that had the senators in the bottom of the pack. they were sitting there -- everybody is there on that tape was just sitting and arguing and talking about, you know who offered this amendment or promised this or the other. i think republican voters are looking for people that actually have accomplished something which is why scott walker is at the top of the polls. it's also why i think trump made a mistake in going after walker. republicans and conservatives are sort of energized about because of the things he's accomplished. they're not just talking and exciting people. but actually accomplishing something. so, look, i just think that none of the senators really have any accomplishments under their belt that we can talk about. >> michael warren april ryan thank you very much. up next on "morning joe,"
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there's a new phase in the fight against isis as turkey takes on a much bigger roll and will it be enough to turn the tide with a lot to simmons in iraq and there is another big weekend for presidential hopefuls here on "morning joe." straight ahead, governor bobby jindal is joining us tomorrow. and rick perry will join us again on thursday. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ta is secure the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. you drop 40 grand on a new set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it.
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now to the latest in the fight against isis. turkey is scheduled to meet with top nato officials tomorrow as it steps up the role in the fight against islamic state. we have kir simmons who joins us live from iraqi kurdistan. you just traveled to the front line of the battle. couple of questions. what you have seen there and secondly, tell us about turkey. what broke the ice with turkey who has been a reluctant ally for quite some time? >> they really have been reluctant. what appears to have broken the
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ice is a number of terrorist attacks inside turkey which has persuaded them it seems, to turn the guns on isis. but not everything is as it seems. the value of going into syria is you get a different perspective and the common wisdom within the beltway. what we did is went in with a kurdish militia and there they gave us a perspective that they are fighting isis and winning. the problem is that they have a tense relationship with turkey. we are already hearing today accusations by them that turkey has targeted some of their fighters. joe, in among them bhet an aamerican fighter, a single dad, who made his way from the bronx to fight alongside them to fight isis. >> close to the front line of the fight against isis so is that where isis is?
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>> yeah. isis is all through here. robert rose traveled here from the south bronx to fight islamic state. there's an explosion right there. he never served in the military. he felt he had to do something. i'm fighting for my country as well. >> fighting for america? >> yes. >> against isis? >> yes, before they attack us. >> isis packs vehicles with launches and launches suicide attacks. >> the biggest bomb i've ever seen. it was just over there. it was 200 meters in the air, a big fireball. we were getting attacked. it was a suicide bomber. >> they need heavy weapons and soon. >> isis has way better weapons than us. right now i'm using the ak from 1971. >> that has 1971 on it. that was made in 1971. it's written here. >> robert has an 8-year-old son. a month ago he took him to a yankees game and left him with his grandparents.
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>> i told them i'm going to fight bad people and help innocent people. >> but they're fighting with guns from the vietnam era against a ruthless enemy. >> there you go joe. you have people on behalf of the kurdish militia calling on washington to help arm them while at the same time turkey is saying well we've got a deal now. with the americans which means we'll create safe zones inside syria to push back isis. one of the crucial questions is how turkey and the kurds are going to manage their relations since they have very tense relateses over a very very long period of time. that will be crucial as to whether this latest turn really means that isis will be defeated at some point in the future. >> all right. nbc news's keir simmonds thank you so much. >> mike huckabee is facing criticism for apparently comparing the nuclear deal with
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iran to the holocaust. the remarks came saturday during an interview with brightbart news. former arkansas governor said, this president's foreign policy is the most fekless in policy. it is so naive he would trust iranians by doing. so he'll take the israelis and march them -- oh god. okay -- into the door of the oven. it's just crass, too. the anti-defamation league said huckabee's remarks were disheartening. and the national jewish democratic council which supports democratic candidates called it callous disregard for the millions of lives lost in the holocaust. yeah. i would say so. what do you think, kacie? >> i think this is something that ron fournier made the point early that's right way donald trump impacted the field has pushed people to start to say things that they might not otherwise say. i do think that the issue of
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israel is something that mike huckabee is focused on quite a bit over the course of his career. it is something that his base focuses a lot on. it is something he certainly cares about. >> mark i heard about the parallel to the holocaust. i have not read it until this moment. and i'm horrified. >> it's not the first time mike huckabee used language that people find well over the line. and, you know, part of his clalg is to not just in sight the base but prove he's ready to be commander in chief. pretty basic rule in politics stay away from holocaust metaphors. >> by the way, worse than comments that were controversial by a certain candidate that we've been obsessing over for weeks. way worse. that's all i'm going to say. anybody else want to chime in? i'm going to go to break. all right. still ahead, the front page of "the new york times" says that we are headed for unchartered territory as communities raise the minimum wage to $15. steve breaks out the charts for us ahead on "morning joe."
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>> okay. you can be on the phone. that's fine. kacie is working on the crowd issue. and so far in iowa and south carolina, trump has had the biggest crowds. so you have been wrong from the people you spoke to. >> well now that we've dug into
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the numbers, look ways arguing earlier that crowd size is not always most important metric. >> that wasn't the question. that wasn't the question. >> joe's point is correct snchlt iowa and in -- excuse me in, south carolina from what i can tell based on looking at reports from events at the time and my own reporting, trump had the biggest crowd in iowa so far and also in south carolina. >> joe, jump in. something is hanging over casey. it's just hanging over. >> my point, it's not who had the biggest crowd at shea stadium at a given time. the question is this. who is drawing the largest crowds consistently over time? if chris christie and donald trump were to have an event tomorrow in new hampshire, are marco rubio and donald trump were having an event tomorrow in south carolina or jeb and trump
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in iowa who is having the largest crowds consistently? that was the question. the answer is fairly obvious. right now it's trump. what does that translate to? we shall see. but as far as strength of crowds right now consistently day in and day out, i just don't think on the republican side there search of a question. one thing it translates into is e-mail addresses and contacts. the trump people have people that want to come and register in advance, submit the e-mail addresses. trump is using the big crowds. a typical politician would be to be able to be in touch with people and bombard them with e-mails and other contact as we get closer to the voting. >> i have to be careful in what i say. go ahead, joe. >> you go back to 2008 with mike huckabee. one of the ways mike huckabee won without any organization in iowa he is went around with chuck norris. they would have events. they would have massive crowds. he would get those e-mail
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addresses. he would get cell phone numbers. and then they would use them even though mike huckabee had maybe, you know ten people working for him in the entire state of iowa to mitt romney who had thousands and thousands and thousands. a great point. large crowds quae e-mail addresses, cell phone numbers, all contacts you can use the last week to get your people out to vote on caucus night even -- well, i was going to see, even in july it matters. especially in july it matters. we're getting to the point pretty season where they say polls don't matter crowds don't matter in july august september, let me tell you something, these are the months when you win new hampshire primaries and you win iowa caucuses. this is when you start building your army. and we'll see if other candidates like kasich -- maybe
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kasich or chris christie can fire up the crowds. you're exactly right, mark it's critical you get the big crowds. the contacts follow. >> steve ratner has a look at the numbers driving the debate over the minimum wage. reading a lot about this over the weekend and also for some people which it will be enforced. ? you look at the history of the minimum wage whushgs add, when you adjust for inflation, it is $7.250. it was high as over $8 in the 1980s. so it's come down. president obama proposed a $10.10 minimum wage. now other people are talking about a higher level, more like a living wage.
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you see people talking about a $15 rage in new york and san francisco and seattle and in new york for fast food workers. so you can see here the west coast what's been going on in los angeles and so forth. in new york governor cuomo had a commission that proposed $15 for fad food workers who are among the lowest paid workers in the country. can you see by profession if we go to last chart you can see that fast food workers are down here at the $9.20 level. so for them a 10-10 minimum wage helps a little bit. the $15 minimum wage brings them to what is defined as the poverty level in new york. that would bring people to the poverty level in new york. >> when you look at the cities that increased the minimum wage
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they're not making $15 an hour right now. what are they making right now? some of them they're still up the base number that we've been dealing with. there is a legitimate argument about what it does to the number of jobs. it's been studied that gradual increases in the minimum wage don't affect the number of jobs. it's never been tested what goes to $15. >> really, what is a job fit pays $7.20 an hour? i know it has an impact on the number of jobs. you could argue that somebody that makes minimum wage today doesn't really have a job. they have a third of a job or a fourth of a job. they still have to get four other jobs. >> i agree. they're at half of what we define as the level of poverty in new york city. there are other benefits food stamps earned income tax credit. but this is the point in what you're saying. what the progressive wing of the democratic party is focused on at the moment which is providing people the bottom with some kind
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taking a tougher line than americans are used to. what is their opinion of the final deal? >> they can live it with or it wouldn't have been through. the extent at which kerry and obama had to negotiate not only with the iranians but with their five partners in the negotiations. the french were the bad cops in this in a sense they were taking the toughest line publicly. but, of course the russians and chinese were not friendly all the way down the line. but i think that essentially the french have gotten onboard and it comes down to this. if not this deal what deal? how do you make it happen? and i think the french can't give any other answer except we've done the best we can. >> christopher, there seems to have been a change in the french leadership on foreign policy issues, especially preertaining to terrorism. a lot of americans, their ears
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perk up from time to time because it seems the french are taking a tough line. something that we haven't been used to in the states since did he gall wanted to get out of nato in 1968. what is going on in the french government? >> well, you know joe, people live with a lot of cliches about the french. the truth is that french for the last 20 years have been incredibly aggressive on the anti-terrorist front. there's been a lot of terrorism in france. i've been there a long time. there are were bombs going off in the metro. the french didn't sit back and just take. that they moved very very aggressively in terms of intelligence operations in the country and outside the country. and in recent years, we saw when they fought al qaeda or al qaeda related group was going to take over in mali they didn't hesitate a minute. they sent troops in. so they deployed troops. they go after people in covert ops. they use very extensive intelligence. and they are not people you want
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to mess with. i think that they've been very tough. >> okay. mike huckabee made some comments about the deal. comparing it to the holocaust. shockingly callous comments which he should apallingize for but there is no apology for them, i don't think. but the president has now responded to those comments. let's take a look. >> the particular comments of mr. huckabee are i think part of just a general pattern that we've seen that is -- would be considered ridiculous if it weren't so sad. i mean we've had a sitting senator call john kerry ponches pilot. we had a sitting senator who also happens to be running for president suggesting that i'm
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the leading state sponsor of terrorism. these are leaders in the republican party. and if part of what historically has made america great is particularly when it comes to foreign policy there's been a recognition that these issues are too serious. that issues of war and peace are of such grave concern and consequence that we don't play fast and loose that way. >> so joe, a pretty measured careful response. but he says it's sad. i guess that's one way of putting it. >> you know what politicians don't understand is when they overreach so much rhetorically, they are actually playing into their opponent's hands. all mike huckabee or somebody
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that's calling barack obama pilot or john kerry ponches pilot is doing is helping barack obama and john kerry look like the statesmen in the room and in this case he just played into the president's hand. there are a lot of legitimate reasons for being concerned about this deal as tom friedman said just because you oppose this deal doesn't mean that you're dr. strangelove. and, yet, these extreme statements, again, seems to only help the president seem like the grunt up in the room. >> we're talking about huckabee. i suppose that is the main intention of the comments is get in the headlines because he is performing badly thus far. but easily the most offensive comments of the entire campaign to date in my view. and the bar is fairly high for that. you know astonishing to me you wouldn't get stronger push back from the gop leadership on this.
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i understand that it's ideologically problematic. they want to beat on obama for the deal. i'll say one thing. i was with a pretty senior israeli official on friday who told me that you know that he well understood and manufacture his colleagues did as well that over the long term iran deal geopolitically was more useful for israel than the idea of you know sort of the principle actors in the region being the saudis and other arab states. if he said that publicly the next posting would be abuja. so that wasn't necessarily a good idea. it's more measured internally. >> okay. mark halperin, is there any comment that we've ever seen on both sides of the aisle on this campaign, on the campaign trail anywhere, anything that's ever been said that's worse than that comment? >> i think ian is right that it's the leader in this current cycle. but i'll say in the past mike huckabee said outrageous things that people should and would apologize. to my recollection, he never does. it's incumbent upon republicans
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and democrats and people here to speak out and say really well beyond the line. >> i think if candidates have been so up in arms about other candidates and what they've said and had speeches written by speechwriters and gone on the offense about offensive comments this needs to be tamped down by every single candidate on both sides of the aisle. >> including jeb bush. >> and called out for being ugly callous, shocking and deeply disturbing. joe? >> you know what? it's so disappointing that mike huckabee in 2008 was a candidate that came on and he seemed to be bending over backwards trying to show people that he was reasonable and rational, he played rock music. he played in a garage band. he's obviously going for a different segment of the republican party. it's really really unfortunate. those are really jarring, shocking comments. christopher, let's talk about your book fascinating book
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about the civil war and our man in charleston. >> well you know interesting talking about mike huckabee this morning and talking about these kinds of issues because one of the things thought got me interested in writing about this it's from the point of view nonfiction, but the point of view of the british council in charleston as he watched the sort of confederate madness take shape in south carolina and throughout the south. and what he was watching particularly, was a small group of people called the fire eaters who were very much like the tea parto of today. their attitude was rule or ruin. they were going to push wedge issues until they either destroyed the democratic party, was then called the democratic party, and brought about secession. or they were going to ruin the country. it was just unbelievable. and it was fascinating to watch
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that take shape through the eyes of this independent observer who on the one hand was telling everybody in charleston he was their best fr other hand was telling everybody in london do not touch these people. >> how did he keep from being detected? >> well, it was the tension rose as the war approached. he was very duplicitous, very smooth guy, very diplomatic. a lot of background in a lot of different areas. his father had been a gun runner. his wife was an heiress from new york. so he was able to move in a lot of different circles, almost like a chameleon. and of course, a lot of his correspondence was written in code. >> well, the book is "our man in charleston." christopher, thank you so much. next hour we're going to speak live with energy secretary ernest moniz. we'll find out how close the u.s. was from walking awa from the nuclear talks and how
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we had so many people standing outside, i just want to thank you, and actually the des moines register is standing outside, too. sort of funny. it was sort of funny.
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you know it's a super liberal rag, not respected around here. but they come out with an editorial, mr. trump, i'm rated number one now in every poll. because you know what? people are tired of what's going on not because of me. they're tired. >> welcome to "morning joe." it continues, mika. i heard it i heard it throughout the weekend. i heard it -- i heard it on the sunday talk shows. i heard it around dinner tables with a lot of leaders in america. all saying yeah we know trump's not going to win, but -- >> exactly. >> we know trump's not going to be there in the end, but -- >> i'm starting to hear from relatives and other people who are supporting donald trump, a real growing anger that their views are being dismissed when he is so far ahead in one poll after another poll. this weekend, another flurry of polls that show he's not only winning nationally he's winning
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state by state by state. also pretty stunning numbers, the latest nbc news in favorables and unfavorables. the people at the top of the pack are at the bottom of the pack when it comes to unfavorables. it sets up a pretty interesting race ahead. >> it's interesting on both sides. we have bernie sanders gaining ground on hillary clinton and hillary clinton making headlines of course over the weekend as well. with us on set to talk about all this, we have manager editor of bloomberg politics mark halpern, msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt on set with us former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner, and in washington nbc news foreign affairs correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. good morning, and editorial director of the national journal, ron fournier. so great group. to get to all the news this morning, and there is a lot. joe, you mentioned the polls. another day, another new poll with donald trump in the lead. donald trump went back to iowa
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this weekend, nipping at the heels of wisconsin governor scott walker who has been the consistent front-runner in the hawkeye state. the new nbc maris poll shows trump trailing by just two points. this after one of walker's fund-raisers was revealed calling trump as dumb dumb in an e-mail to donors. the fund-raiser stood by the comment saying donald trump is not going to be president of the united states ever period end of story. in iowa saturday trump responded. >> i've been nice to scott walker. he's a nice guy. he came up to my office three or four months ago, prebtded me with a plaque because i helped him with his election. then, today, i read this horrible statement from his fund-raiser about trump. i said oh, finally, i can attack. finally. finally. i would have never done this. i didn't know. because i hear him, the only one
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beating me in iowa is scott walker and not by much. he grew up next door. he's like right next door. a little advantage, right? except wisconsin is doing terribly. it's first of all, it's in turmoil. the roads are a disaster because they don't have any money to rebuild them. they're borrowing money like crazy. they projected a $1 billion surplus, and instead of a $1 billion -- i wrote this all down. although i don't need it because i have a really good memory. but they projected a $1 billion surplus. and it turns out to be a deficit of $2.2 billion. and money all over the place. it's -- the schools are a disaster, and they're fighting like crazy because there's no money for the schools. the hospitals and education is a disaster. and he was totally in favor of common core, and he's the only guy ahead of me in iowa. i can't believe i'm in second
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place. he is next door but folks, will you please put me in first place so i feel better? >> wow. >> mark halpern, i saw a tweet yesterday where you said that gop establishment that trump's here to stay get over it. i do wonder and this weekend, everybody kept asking the same question. when's he going to blow up be out of the race? the crowds are getting bigger. the numbers are getting bigger. he's further ahead in the national polls. further ahead in a lot of these important state polls. and at this point, i don't think there's an answer to that. at some point, somebody in the national republican party is going to say, you know what trump is probably here until the end. and we need to get over it. i mean there seems to be a growing momentum not only in the poll numbers but in the crowds that are showing up and also in the way he's performing on the campaign stops. >> there's two schools of thought in the party now. one is to just let him go let
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hem burn out. try to ignore him, try to move the debate to other places not let him be the face of the party. there's another school of thought, a lot of opposition research find someone willing to spend a lot of money and kill him with negative ads. the reality is he's not oven doing well in the sense he's not performing well. he's cleary making some mistakes to some extent are setting him back. he's not organizing in iowa as intensely as he might. and as long as republicans fail to identify why it is he's doing well, rarlth than just railing at him, he's going to be a huge factor in the race. >> joe. >> kasie hunt tell me, please, who else on the campaign trail in the republican side gets the crowds and the intensity donald trump does. >> there's got to be somebody right? >> trump talks a lot about his crowds. when we were on the border he talked about all these people meeting him, waving american flags. it just didn't happen that way, is the reality. so i think to a certain extent you listen to what donald trump says about the people who show
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up. might not always line up with exactly what ultimately happens. i think the republican party, to mark's point, a lot of the backlash that trump has generated -- >> but hold on a second kasie. >> are you saying it doesn't exist? >> let's talk about the people who show up. i'm going to ask the question again. what republican candidate in the field today gets the crowds and the enthusiasm that donald trump seems to get every time he goes out? >> i mean look. >> even if his numbers are inflated. >> i have been at events in iowa where marco rubio has gotten enthusiastic crowds. i haven't been to iowa with trump yet. i'm looking forward to doing that. the events i have covered with trump so far, i'm not seeing the crowds you're talking about. >> he is giving out free lunch. not everybody does that. >> that will do it. all right, let me go to new hampshire, and take a look at
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the nbc marest poll that has trump taking more than a fifth of the vote. seven points ahead of jeb bush. also gaining notice ohio's john kasich has leapt to fourth place, making campaign stop there's after his announcement, and a new cnn poll of republican voters, trump is favored by 18% with jeb bush within the margin of error at 15% and scott walker close behind. meanwhile, most republicans still believe bush will be the nominee. only half as many see trump as getting the nomination. the poll also found a majority of republicans believe trump should stay in the race and joe, again, i think the kind of underlying story here is the debate and who may not be in the debate, including kasich which makes no sense to me. and how that's working. just i can't figure out how that actually is a fair fight. let alone the trump story. >> i think kasich jumping to 7%
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e.j. dionne over the weekend said that was one of the significant stories, john kasich jumping up to 7%. kasich could become a serious challenger if those numbers keep going. the question is ron fournier who does kasich take from? he certainly is not going to be taking from donald trump. he most likely would be taking from jeb bush and other mainstream governor. so the question is if the republicans are concerned about trump, where do they let the air out of his tires? who does it? >> a lot of places he could go. i said kasich a successful governor of ohio who has a record of getting things done while being true to his party's values, who has a long history in politics and public service, who knows how to speak the way people talk. in a perfect world, he wouldee eeee be a first-tier candidate, but he's not. that's indicative of what's going on. we have a responsibility all
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voters, but especially journalists to really look hard at this guy and point out the many reasons why he would be a horrible horrible president. but, we also have to look separately at the people who are supporting him. they're not dumbdumbs, what is it mccain called them? crazies? these are people who are fed up with the political process, who have every reason every reason to take a harder look alt a guy like donald trump who is saying exactly what they think about the american political system. eventually they're going to take a harder look at donald trump and go somewhere else but they may not. these are very unpredictable times. i'm not going to say there's no way donald trump would win the nomination, because we can't see to the future especially in a time where people are so upset. we have radical connectivity with the internet. we don't know what's going to happen. separate those two things for me. that's what i baunt to do. >> the second one is very important as well. that's what people haven't looked at yet, mika. and an interesting dynamic has been set up now. the more the media says trump
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doesn't have a shot and of course donald trump won't be there at the end, the more his supporters and others ask, why not? and i know because i get flooded with e-mails and i get flooded with tweets and all these other people that say, you people in the media just don't get it. >> right. >> stop telling us who we're going to vote for in the end and who we aren't. it's an interesting dynamic that trump, you saw him go after the "des moines register." trump is now, every attack from the media now, kind of like gene robinson says, only makes him stronger to his core supporters. >> in the race for the democratic nomination the new poll shows hillary clinton remains a clear front runner but that vermont senator bernie sanders is gaining ground. in iowa clinton has 55% support among registers democrats, giving her a 29-point lead but in new hampshire, the gap is narrower. she leads sanders by just 13 points among granite state
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democrats. steve rattner, what do you make especially given we're going to get into the whole e-mail controversy, the word criminal verses investigation alone, a little later, but we know there have been major headlines in the past few days. where is this going? >> the e-mail controversy is completely relevant to this poll issue. it's obviously a bump in the road for her. one that i think as time goes on if nothing else comes of it probably will pass. and the broadest point, of course, is bernie sanders, while also, i will not become president, like donald trump will not become president, he does strike a chord, not just with democrat but many americans who feel the democratic party is not progressive enough. there is this undercurrent maybe not even an undercurrent of unhappiness in the country about the state of affairs. >> i want to ask andrea mitchell, if it's fair to assume that donald trump has been underestimated, in terms of his
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impact on the race is it possible andrea that the media analysts and others have underestimated the impact of this e-mail situation on hillary clinton's campaign? >> i think so. look. you have two inspectors general, and they are referring to this to the justice department. you can try to confuse it and there's been a lot of misdirection, inaccurate reporting, significantly on thursday night by the "new york times." it's not a criminal referral, not at this stage. it could become and it could become nothing. what they are suggesting is that there were classified four out of the 40 randomly selected had classified information, and it was not information that was later classified it was information that was classified as quote, secret which is a level of classification at the time. this gets very confusing. and it can be confused further by statements on all sides.
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that said the original sin, if you will is having a private e-mail system. >> it's unfixable. >> i was at a security conference speaking to intelligence officials on all sides. and the attorney general will talk about that later. but nobody can give an explanation for why a cabinet secretary would have a private e-mail system other than to thwart inquiries and someone who had spent 20 years fighting off many investigations many of which were unwarranted and which led nowhere, so you understand the defensive crouch that a lot of clinton people were in. but it still doesn't explain why going from the senate into a cabinet-level position, there was a private e-mail system. >> all right, joe? >> and ron fournier the clinton camp is in a defensive crouch. they're furiously fighting back also with their allies in the press, attacking the "new york times."
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what they can't brush away is the fact that the words of the inspector generals themselves from the state department and the intel committees that these e-mails should have never been sent out on a private server. that it was a security breach and it does need to be investigated. >> well they can't brush away the fact the secretary said when this was revealed that there was no confidential information that was given out. she's partsing it notw, but we know what happens when the clintons parse. let's go back like andrea said to the original sin. it was unprecedented to have a home cooked server in your house as a cabinet secretary. tt was against government policy to have a home cooked server in your house as a cabinet secretary. it was to thwart requests for information, and the only explanation she's given, frankly, isn't very credible. so i don't -- let me finish real
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quick. the american public has the right now, has every reason and the press has a responsibility to ask her again and again and again what were you hiding mrs. clinton? >> still ahead on "morning joe," we'll talk to energy secretary ernest moniz about the landmark nuclear deal with iran. and up next, no matter how hard she tries, it's the story that won't go away. we dig through the facts surrounding the hillary clinton e-mail controversy. you total your brand new car. nobody's hurt,but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it.
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well hillary clinton was in iowa this weekend, where she faced questions amid new reports we discussed here last week. classified information may have been compromised due to mrs. clinton's personal e-mail use.
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exposed and potentially hundreds of e-mails, according to two obama administration inspectors general. that's not republican house members, but the internal monitors of barack obama's state department and intel agencies. it referred the issue to the justice department and the fbi, which confirms they're considering an investigation. now, that investigation could involve the key question was the clinton server compromised by foreign governments? the clinton campaign of course pushed back early friday morning noting this is a security investigation, not a criminal one. the inspectors general specifically stated in their letter this wasn't a criminal referral, even though as the "new york times" clearly states mishandling classified information is a crime. if you don't believe that just ask david petraeus. back in march, clinton was adamant no classified information was ever trafficked on her private account. >> i did not e-mail any
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classified material to anyone on my e-mail. there is no classified material. so i'm certainly well aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material. >> now the clinton campaign is admitting the situation is much more complicated. on friday they said any released e-mails deemed classified by the administration had been done so after the fact and not at the time they were transmitted. but even after the corrections, the "new york times" stated flatly, the clinton claim was not true. and yet the next day, on saturday hillary clinton herself seemed to be again in denial. >> the facts are pretty clear. i did not send nor receive anything that was classified at the time. >> that's just counter to the reporting, that's counter to the state department inspectors general. and that's counter to the intelligence agencies inspectors
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general. it's stunning that she is still saying that this weekend. hillary clinton now claims the documents weren't classified quote, at the time. but again, the inspectors general says they were even if they weren't marked classified. the obama administration inspectors generals looked at the information and the e-mails clinton provided and made a preliminary finding she was and is wrong. they say the information, some from the cia and some from the nsa, was clearly classified when it was sent. and it's classified now, and it's always been classified. according to the igs, the four e-mails in question did not containt classified markings and/or dissemination controlled even though in her press conference she said she was certainly well aware of classification requirements. unfortunately for the clinton camp, that's just not the only place that hillary clinton skirted the truth in her march u.n. press conference. >> after i left office the
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state department asked former secretaries of state for our assistance in providing copies of work-related e-mails from our personal accounts. i responded right away and provided all my e-mails that could possibly be work related, which told roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though i knew that the state department already had the vast majority of them. >> but that claim, of course is also been proven false by journalists. disclosures by sydney blumenthal to the congressional committee investigating benghazi showed nine e-mails and parts of six related to libya weren't included in those e-mails that hillary clinton handed over. here's more of hillary clinton back in march. >> i wanted to just use one device for both personal and work e-mails instead of two.
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it was allowed and as i said it was for convenience and it was my practice to communicate with state department and other government officials on their dot .guv accounts. those were saved to have record keeping departments and that's what happened. >> two things clinton has been found using at least two personal devices, not one. she used her cell phone and an ipad as e-mail as secretary of state, and the state department did not automatically save all departmental e-mail until february of this year. only a tiny fraction of its e-mails were saved. that's under the assumption she exclusively used state department e-mails. all in all this appears just to be the tip of the iceberg. the state department inspectors general said they found classified material sent to and from her chappaqua home baked
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server even though they had a small sample of 40 e-mails. of those, they found four contains government secrets. that's information that if exposed could potentially harm national security. it's information that's meant to be transferred and stored exclusively on secure computer networks with special safeguards. again, of the self-selected e-mails the clinton camp chose to release, one in ten of those reviews e-mails seems to have held classified information. put in perspective, hillary clinton turned in over 30,000 e-mails she said were work related. she destroyed tens of thousands of e-mails, wiped clean her home baked server and possibly destroyed copies of countless classified documents improperly stored and sent from the united states top diplomat. the extent of the cover-up if there was one, will not be known because that evidence could which clear or convict her, was
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destroyed by the politician who is now at the center of this national security goodsd bait. unfortunately, there seems to be much more to come from the story, but what we have seen so far is that's it's unlikely this is going to be the last time hillary clinton will be changing her story. mika, you go through it and we could talk all morning about the u.n. press conference. it's just baffling to me that they sent her out to say things that they knew were going to be countered in the press in the coming weeks and months. this is a growing problem. >> let me ask andrea mitchell who has been covering campaigns for years. is there something we're missing here? what could be -- what's the missing link that could explain this? >> it's hard to figure out what the missing link is frankly, mika, because one of the issues two days after that press conference that i had attended at the u.n. at the security council, the general accounting office issued a report there
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was a gao report that faulted the state department for not saving e-mails. one of her contentions there, as joe just explained, was that at least the e-mails would all have been saved automatically at the state department. by the recipients. and that those would all have been archived but they weren't. in fact there was an appalling lack of archiving by the state department for years and years, until recently if it's even fixed now. so that is gnaw the backup that she at least claimed it was. and perhaps she didn't know how bad the system was. but we now know that that is the case. so there is no record of all of the e-mails on the receivers' end, and as i say, it goes back to the whole question of the judgment that went into having a private server. it just seems inexplicable. that's the question that needs to be answered. >> joe? >> mark halpern, obviously,
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furious pushback from the clinton camp attacking the "new york times" repeatedly. what's your take on this? >> andrea is right, it's complicated. why does it matter she used a private server? in the view of many people it was too cavalier. too cavalier in terms of things being backed up as andrea just said whether there's a full record of the sectarretary of state state's work, and it also matters and this is why this news story is a big deal it matters in terms of security. if there's classified information, secretary says there wasn't inspectors general says there was. that was available to be hacked into, that's a huge breach of her responsibilities. that, to me is where the story is going. will the fbi investigate the question of was there a security breach on the private server or on the outside server the outside vendor that clinton switched their information over to? she's responsible for making sure there was no security breach and they have not addressed that one bit and if there was classified information, it matters a lot. >> coming up on "morning joe,"
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there's a reason why 99% of the world thinks this is a good deal. it's because it's a good deal. there's a reason why the overwhelming majority of nuclear scientists and nonproliferation experts think it's a good deal. it's because it's a good deal. it accomplishes our goal which is making sure iran does not have a nuclear weapon. in fact it accomplishes that goal better than any alternative that has been suggested. and you've heard me darlene, stand up in front of the press core and try to get a good argument on the other side that's based in fact as opposed to rhetoric. and i haven't gotten one yet. >> that was president obama early this morning speaking in ethiopia about the nuclear deal with iran. by the way halpern reporting that there's going to be a statement by mike huckabee about his comments some time in the
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next half hour. we'll bring that to you. >> mika. >> yes, joe. >> just wow. listen the president can say what he wants to say about the deal but to say that there's no legitimate argument against this deal, to say it's all rhetoric is deeply offensive to a lot of very talented and bright foreign policy thinkers mark halpern. i'm stunned that the president of the united states would be that arrogant to come out and say he hasn't heard a single argument that makes any sense against this iran deal. every foreign policy expert i talk to has countless concerns about it even if they support the deal. >> well to be charitable to the president, i think what he means is there's no macro alternative. that remains his strongest argument with a lot of people. obviously on issues like inspections, like the sanctions, like the timeframe of when iran can start developing nuclear capability again people have questions there, and i know the
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president knows that. >> joining us now from washington, the u.s. secretary of energy, who had a little something to do with the deal dr. ernest moniz. thank you for being on the show. selling the deal to congress is obviously half the job here. can you unequivocally and excuse me yes, please scientifically explain how this deal absolutely blocks a pathway to a nuke. >> well the deal blocks several pathways to a nuke i should say. there's the iranian pathway, plutonium pathway, and covert concerns we have need to be blocked. in a nutshell the accomplishes quantitatively what the president laid out for us. it pushes the time iran would need to generate nuclear material to at least a year for at least a decade. frankly, we have very tight constraints on their program, for 15 years. after which time we would have
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exceptional transparency measure, that is verification measures because the president also laid out verification as really a major focus for the negotiations. so that's the idea. the idea is start out with extremely tight constraints on their nuclear activities. we have done that. over 15 years, iran will have the opportunity, we'll watch them like a hawk but they will have the opportunity to earn the confidence of the international community and the peace program, and we'll continue to press them after 15 years on the basis of transparency. >> mr. secretary, we've got a lot of people around the table with a lot of questions for you. let me bring up the concern we heard around the table from everybody from david ignatius to donald trump everybody in between. the biggest concern seems to be the 24-day wait period. can you tell us scientifically why that doesn't matter why you can give iran a 24-day lead time
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before an international inspector has access to sites? >> first of all, let's distinguish between declared sites where we know they have nuclear activity where we have daily access or more precisely, the inspectors have daily access versus undeclared sites where our or other intelligence agencies point us to suspicious activity. in those cases, the p-5 plus one have established for the first time a finite time period for iran or any other country, for that matter to respond to the allegations, provide the access or be in material breach. when the 24 days we're very confident that activities involving nuclear materials will be detectable, in fact in 2003 exactly that happened. iran denied some nuclear activities in tehran. the agency the international agency finally got access after six months and they found
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uranium and caught them red handed. >> steve? >> we're recognizing all of what you said to joe's question. why did you give the iranians 24 days? why were they entitled to 24 days? what's the possible justification for why it shouldn't be any time anywhere? a phrase your administration has repeated often? >> first of all, i want to clarify my statement has been anytime, anywhere in the sense of a well defined process with a well defined end time. as i said earlier, historically there's never been an end time to those negotiations. so that's a first. now, to go to an undeclared site, there has to be a process clearly, and it involves the p-5 plus one, the permanent members of the security council. in this arrangement, there's a 14-day period for the agency in iran to work it out. that's a maximum 14-day period. then a maxium seven-day period for the p-5 plus one to rule for
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access and then a maximum three-day period for iran to provide the physical access. those are all maximums. as i say, it's a new tool and one that we feel very confident of in terms of detecting nuclear materials that have been used. >> ian? >> thanks. it's very clear that anytime anywhere feels very different from 24 days and the fact the administration has called it a rhetorical device not to be taken quite as literally as one that has a lot of people worried, i do readily concede that both you and secretary kerry are vastly more technically expert on the contents of this deal than anyone we have heard from congress, most of whom clearly haven't read the deal on the basis of their line of questioning, but i do think there's real opposition to it. i think one thing i would raise both in terms of the waiting period to actually get access to these sites, which many experts believe is inadequate and will allow the iranians to be able to
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obfuscate, but also when the russians brought up towards the end of the deal that they wanted to see a removal of the u.n. arms embargo, which we ended providing some concessions on which will go away before the terms are gone my point here is not that the deal is better than nothing. my point is, what was the urgency? why couldn't we -- we went through three deadlines. why couldn't we have gone through four? why is the interim deal so bad for us especially when the iranians understand that obama and kerry are the best chance they're ever going to get, compared to 2017? why do we have to do this deal as opposed to keep fighting? >> well first of all, because we reached a very good deal. we believe that the nuclear dimensions of this deal -- let's face it, they are well beyond what was expected. they really shut down the iranian plutonium pathways. and they provide unparalleled transparency and access into what iran is doing. this is a good deal.
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frankly, i find a lot of the opposition certainly in congress is coming not from the deal itself in terms of the nuclear aspects, but rather from the issue of what iran may or may not do with additional resources at its disposal. but again, often people talk about the 15 years. well, first of all, it is 15 years, and second of all, i might add that without this agreement, 15 years would be tomorrow. they would have no constraints on their program, and we would not have the transparency into it. so i say flatly that with regard to with the agreement or without the agreement, we'll have more insight into any potential iranian nuclear weapons program with this deal than without it forever. >> secretary ernest moniz, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. still ahead, chinese stocks have their largest one-day drop
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since 2007. what does it means for the markets here at home. that's up next in business before the bell. plus we're awaiting a statement. we have just heard that governor huckabee is going to put out a statement from his campaign on his -- you got it. >> i have an e-mail from mike huckabee. >> read it now. read it now. >> i wish the president would say that it's ridiculous to make a nuclear deal with the government that holds americans hostage, sponsor terror, funds attack on israel and who hopenly and repeatedly promised to destroy both israel and the united states. that is ridiculous and dangerous. so it doesn't sound -- >> w5i789ait a minute, hold on a second. we are not getting an apology, even though it wouldn't work? can you write back to that person and saying is that the correct statement? >> this is mike huckabee. >> could you write back and ask if he really meant to put that statement out, including the
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that are actually trading on chinese stock market were halted and weren't allowed to trade because the chinese government was trying so hard to stem the losses and calm the markets. and there's a big fear out there that they're not able to do that. and so you saw this big move overnight. now, the concern as it relates to us and our stock market is china is the world's second largest economy. a lot of american companies do business there, like apple, nike intel, general electric that have a lot of sales in china to see if their consumer slows down. >> joe? >> steve rattner, sara alluded to a lot of u.s. stocks are going to get hammered today that have made billions of dollars on rapid chinese growth in the last decade. talk about that. >> that is the broader issue and a serious issue. the chinese stock market has had a roller coaster ride. the bigger problem is the chinese economy finally seems to be slowing down. less demand for products.
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it has a significant, put significant downward pressure on commodity prices which in one sense is good but in another sense, signals a general global slowdown. china is as she said the second biggest economy. we need to worry about what's happening there in terms of its real output and consumption. >> sara eisen, thank you very much. up next one man learns the bitter truth about sugar. why you will never shop for food the same way ever again. keep it right here on "morning joe." that's straight ahead. e company understands the life behind it. those who have served our nation. have earned the very best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.
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so here are the rules for my next 60 days. i must consume 40 tea spoons of sugar a di but they must be hidden sugars found in formerly perceived health food and drinks. these 40 teaspoons of sugar will consist of sucrose and fructose specifically. they can be added like jam or naturally occurring bike sal teens. i must choose low-fat foods and maintain the same level of exercise as i already do. that's three laps in my garden twice a week and a ten-minute workout on my homemade gym. and by homemade i mean homemade. >> that was a look at the new documentary "that sugar film" which opens this friday. that's a good name. joining us is the filmmaker,
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damon. thanks for having us on the show. i mean, a lot of this is science that we are discovering over the past five years. but you're talking about the sugar we don't see. just how much there is and the implications if you don't have it whether you -- what did you find? >> the whole catch of the film is that i don't -- i think we understand we have too much soft drink and doughnuts, we're going to get sick. but the point is i have no soft drink or doughnuts or chocolate, but the only sugar i eat is perceived healthy foods. low-fat yogurt and granola bars and cereals and sports drinks and i got all the symptoms my body kind of fell apart and i got the symptoms we're seeing more and more prevalent, which is type 2 diabetes obesity, all happened to me in 60 days of eating these types of foods. >> you had a doctor manter this? a team of doctors and
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scientists. >> how do you feel about fruit? >> when it's with the fiber, it slows down the metabolism in the body. >> the bitter truth about sugar is finish my sentence. >> i think this unique part of fructose turned to fat in the liver. other foods don't do that. i got fatty liver disease after just 18 days of eating these foods. this is a disease -- >> how much did you eat? >> an average australian daily amount, which is 40 teaspoons of sugar a day. the speculation is this turns to fat in our liver. nonalcoholic fatty liver disease didn't exist 40 years ago, and now it's prevalent in 1 in 4 people. the fact it happened so quickly, and it went into the blood system. >> in normal foods. >> why were we made to crave nis? >> it's really important to
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understand this is a primal desire. we have a primal desire for sweet things. when we were evolving it was rare in nature. when we saw it this dopamine was released that said get that because you need it for energy. now, it's in 80% of food. >> as a society, we have to wean ourselves, and it's much easier said than done because it's addictive. "that sugar film" is in theaters and on demand friday. watch it. thank you so much for being on the show. good luck with this. up next what if anything did we learn today? gives you the gumption to reach for the sky. that's that new gear feeling. all hp ink buy one get one 50% off. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. the signs are everywhere. the lincoln summer invitation is on. get exceptional offers on the luxury small utility mkc mkz sedan... ...the iconic navigator. and get a first look at the entirely new
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one group opposing the deal is reportedly lyly spending as much as $40 million campaigning against it including ads like this one. >> restrictions end after ten years. then iran could build a nuclear weapon in two months. congress should reject a bad deal. we need a better deal. >> oh, a better deal. of course. why didn't john kerry think of that? in fact why not get an even better deal while you're at it? or even ask for the best deal plus $100 and a free hotel bathrobe? that's how diplomacy works, right? you ask for it and they give it to you. that's my understanding. >> welcome back to "morning joe." i learned that the top candidates most likely to be around at the end are upside
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down in the polls when it comes to approval rating. it's going to make for a very tumultuous volatile 2016. >> i learned that according to kasie hunt crowd size does matter. just saying. what did you learn today? >> i learned that donald trump has had the largest crowds to date until some other campaign can tell me otherwise in iowa and south carolina but not in new hampshire. >> it matters. mark? >> mike huckabee is on a collision course with the president of the united states and mika for failing to take back what he said about the iran deal. >> yeah, not just me. we'll see. ian? >> and that the republicans, most of the republicans aren't going to call him on it. i think huckabee is going to skirt on this one. >> let's watch this over the next 24 hours. joe, if it's way too early, what time is it? >> it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around because we have a got a lot of news and straight ahead, "the rundown." we'll see you tomorrow on "morning joe."
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good morning to you. i'm frances rivera. i'm in for jose diaz-balart. developing right now, president obama is in ethiopia where this morning he is addressing some of the issues relating to iran's nuclear agreement, including a controversial comment made by mike huckabee. in his latest tweet, he sparked controversy when he used a holocaust reference to slam the administration's iran deal saying, quote, the iran nuclear deal is marching the israelisdoor of the oven. >> you know the particular comments of mr. huckabee are, i think, part of just a general pattern that we have seen that is -- would be considered ridiculous if it weren't so sad.

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