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president. this is a critical poll with all those struggling to make the top ten so they can be on that stage for the first big debate this thursday night. we'll have that brand new wall street journal poll for you at the top of next hour. be sure to stick around for that. we begin this morning with the bombshell that has the political world buzzing, reports that vice president joe biden is considering a late entry into the race for president all because one report says it's what his dying son wanted him to do. "new york times" columnist maureen dowd writing that biden is actively talking to friends, family and donors about getting into the race because his son, beau, who died in may, implored biden to do so in his final days, quoting from dowd's column, beau was losing his nouns and the right side of his
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face was partially paralyzed but he had a mission. he tried to make his father promise to run, arguing that the white house should not revert to the clintons and that the country would be better off with biden values. telling him, dad, it's who you are. one that did not appear on the opinion page and also reports in "the washington post," "the los angeles times" and "the associated press," all of them saying in one way or another that joe biden is taking a fresh look at a 2016 campaign for president. the vice president's secretary was coy when asked about all of this saying only as the biden family continues to go through this difficult time, the vice president is focused on his family and immersed in his work. yesterday, out on the campaign trail, kelly o'donnell asked biden's long-time friend senator john mccain about all of this talk. >> i think that he sees this trust factor of hillary clinton
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in a steep decline. and i think that he is examining his options. >> new polling shows biden holding his own against the top republican contenders in head-to-head hypothetical general election match-ups, the vice president just ahead of jeb bush, tied with scott walker, and far ahead of donald trump. fath faring no worse than hillary clinton is. but his favorable score is better than clintons, 49%, 39% you see there. best mark in years, it can be attributed to the outpouring of sympathy and goodwill in the wake of his son's death. this is a big story. if joe biden were to enter the race it would be a very big deal. there are also very good reasons to be skeptical about whether he will actually do it. it's very late in the game right now. clinton has put together a
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formidable organization, locked down many key endorsements. biden, so far, has taken no steps to create a campaign organization. in fact, one of biden's closest political confidantes just recently signed on with clinton's campaign, not something you would expect to happen if he's about to jump into this race. there's a question about legacy, that he would not just lose to clinton but lose badly. the prospect of losing in an embarrassing rout has to weigh on him as well. he has gn angling the presidency for pretty much his entire adult life. he ran for president in 1984 and actually did run in the 1988 cycle. he flirted running again in 2004 and he did run again in 2008. and now he's 72 years old. and this is it. the last time he can ever take a
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real serious look at running for the job he has always wanted. so, will that be enough to override all of the factors staring him in the face and telling him not to do this? before we get to our panel this morning i first want to bring in former chairman of the south carolina democratic party. he was quoted in "the new york times" article about a potential biden run saying it's not that we dislike hillary. it's that we want to win the white house. we have a better chance of doing that with somebody who is not going to have all the distractions of a clinton campaign. dick harpootlian joins us by phone now. why do you think joe biden would be significantly more electable than hillary clinton? in the polls they do roughly the same against all those rks right now. >> hillary comes into the race, as she did in '08, with all kinds of baggage. it's plus and minus. there's going to be the
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distractions of -- i mean, we saw again this week, t"the wall street journal" about payments, money raised to the foundation and speeches given prior to her becoming secretary of state. then a secretary of state assisting -- it would appear assisting the same folks that made those contributions. it's that kind of record and those kind of distractions that will keep her off balance and the democratic party off balance throughout a clinton campaign. joe biden is pristine, probably not too strong a word to explain his financial entanglements over his entire career. he is not a rich guy, he has never made a lot of money. he's never charged anybody for a speech. so, i think it's very important to understand. she will die the death of 1,000 cuts, as i said some time ago, while biden can focus the voters on him and on what he proposes to do.
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one last thing i think is important to understand. joe biden is an inspirational figure. he gives a great speech. he talks to people in a very inspirational way. bill clinton had that. barack obama has that. even george w. bush has that. hillary clinton does not have the ability to inspire people. she gives a very flat, a very business-like discussion. and that's not to be critical of her. some people have it. some people don't. she ain't got it. >> dick, we say biden right now has not taken any formal steps to set up an organization. there's a lot of mystery about what he is thinking here. you have his long-time confidantes w who has now signen with the clinton campaign. >> in my discussions with him prior to beau getting sick and obviously passing, he was very focused on running.
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but, you know, he understood at the time that beau was sick and he had family issues to deal with. isn't it refreshing, isn't it a positive thing to have somebody considered a possible candidate thinking about his family first, thinking about his personal situation first? he's not so blind with ambition that he puts all that concern and love for his family to the side and makes a purely political decision based on the money and poll numbers? right now, he still -- look, his son died less than 90 days ago. he's still suffering from that pain and i think he has to work his way through it. you know what? all of us out there that want him to run for president of the united states understand it's a very personal decision. he has got to make it. hell, if he gets in december 1st, i'm for him. i'll raise money for him and campaign for him, just like i went door to door for bill clinton in '92 in new hampshire and just like i went door to
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door for obama in '0, '08 and '12. they're waiting for joe biden across the country to try to heal the wounds that he has to deal with. and if he does that analysis and says i just can't do it, i'm too emotionally distraught or i want to make sure my grandkids and his widow are taken care of, we understand that. we're not -- this isn't a bunch of political hacks thinking about what can i get out of this administration, a clinton campaign, bush campaign or donald trump campaign or scott walker campaign. i live in a republican state and we have the 49th worst -- 49th in education. 50th in health care. i understand what a republican administration would look like. that's why i want joe biden to run. >> wants biden in the race. we'll see what happens. appreciate that.
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>> thank you. on set with me this morning, bloomberg politics, angela rye. former republican congresswoman nan hayworth working as a volunteer co-chair here in new york for the carly fiorina campaign. i'm still trying to figure out what to make of it. dick harpooltian we heard on the phone. he wants biden in the race. he has strong feelings about the clintons. hillary clinton's current favorability rating, excuse me, among democrats is 81%. all of the big name endorsements have gone basically to hillary clinton. who is out there that feels the way dick harpooltian does? >> very few people out warily. i speak to people who run the machinery of the campaign who are nervous about hillary clinton in the general election, not necessarily the primary.
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they're not saying it outwardly but she is by all counts the most likely nominee. they recognize that. behind the scenes there's some nervousness. i don't think it's nearly enough to make a biden candidacy likely. something would have to happen with her in terms of a scandal, dropping or something very damaging happening to her. >> let me put this up on the screen. quinnipiac took this poll if biden were a candidate on the democratic side. put this all in perspective. clinton way in front with 55% but joe biden not even in second place at 13%. bernie sanders in second at 17%. again, the sitting vice president, angela, you put him in right now, he doesn't even beat the socialist senator from vermont for second place. >> sure. i think there's so much speculation surrounding a run that people aren't going to give you an honest answer in a poll.
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i think that to dick's last point, this is someone who, you know, has been part of the federal government for so long. he has been making friends and has been, you know, the friend in chief for this president for two terms, since he was a senator at 30. i think even though he is part of washington, he's still not deemed an insider. there is something very car charismatic to him. s it scary at this stage that hillary clinton has been deemed not so trustworthy. s that the part in the polls hurting her the worst. but i think overwhelmingly, what we are comparing that to is the fact that the country is saying they're ready for a woman president. at this point, no shame to carly fiorina, it seems that she's the most viable woman option. we have a lot of tough
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questions. >> as republicans say, look at this. dick harpootlian is saying hillary clinton is not as electable as joe biden. which would you rather face? >> i think probably as a republican, i would rather face hillary clinton. you know, hillary clinton represe represents, and increasingly so, cynical approach, transactional politics. and to the extent that identity politics trumps other much more salient factors to my mind that go into electing the president, we need the most capable person. regarding vice president biden, he has always had a reputation for being strong in foreign policy. we are facing currently a lot of challenges to hillary clinton's service as secretary, obviously, of state. questions about not only her trustworthiness but also her
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effectiveness. and i think those could be brought very effectively against her by a biden team, were one to form. >> i wonder how biden could make the case. hillary clinton was the secretary of state in the obama administration. he is the vice president in the obama administration. she's trying so hard to tether herself to the obama administration. he obviously would be running as the candidate of continuity. how would he attack hillary clinton? where is the opening? electability, okay, take the pragmatic question. on a policy basis where is the opening for the biden campaign? >> that, i think, is the challenge. because of their friendship i don't think he is going to be willing to attack hillary clinton. if this is a decision he decides to make this is going to be a very emotional one because beau biden asked him. that's reportedly what happened. that's not confirmed. steve, if you ever go on air defending hillary clinton's record or whatever, there are a number of attacks that i receive in my twitter feed.
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i do believe she was a very effective secretary of state so i disagree there. they see joe biden as more part of this administration. of course he's the vice president. maybe because he spent the full eight years. s that also very interesting. >> steve, i think you asked exactly the right question. there's no space for anybody else to breathe in that democratic party. self identified liberal democrats across the board. one area where she has some weakness is that very staunchly progressive activists are not fully on board with her. >> bernie sanders. >> exactly. they have bernie sanders. you have martin o'malley. ordinary primary, ordinary presidential election would be doing a lot better. he has no space to breathe. >> he's sitting there at half a percent. we'll return to this later. one thing i keep thinking of with all of this is we're trying to figure out where these stories are coming from, how seriouses it.
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if joe biden is having fun with this right now, tweaking hillary a little bit i'm thinking back to 2010, 2011, how many stories did he have to read about hillary clinton replacing him on the democratic ticket in 2012 and i wonder if there's a little bit of payback involve there had at all. >> no. >> we'll pick this up later. turning to a developing story in california where a wildfire near sacramento has already destroyed dozens of homes and kill aid firefighter. getty schwartz was not able to catch up with his camera crew but was able to call in and joins us on the phone from lake port, california. what can you tell us? >> reporter: we've been trying to meet up with our crew but we're cut off by this fire. we've been out along the fire lines. you see these flames shooting up hundreds of feet in the air. this is normally a time when
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fires tend to settle down a bit but we're not seeing that out here. we're along highway 20. the fire is burnt right up to the edge of the highway earlier. we watched as fire crews held a line all along the highway. they were watching for any hot spots that might fly over and allow the fire to jump the road. a lot of people have been forced to evacuate because of this fire. this is the rocky fire. 12,000 people are under mandatory evacuation and there are reports of homes burning. this is just one of the 21 active fires burning in california's drought. conditions only expected to get worse at this point throughout the day. we're looking at dry thunderstorms coming in, the type of thunderstorms that bring a lot of lightning and a lot of wind but not a lot of rain. steve? >> gadi schwartz, stay safe in lake port, california. appreciate that report. still ahead, waiting that new polling information that will tell us who is in and who is out of thursday night's big
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actually growing this week in some areas. he credits at least part of his success to his vast fortune. >> i think one of the reasons i'm doing so well in the polls, nobody is going to tell me what to do. i'm not going to have the donors, special interests and lobbyists tell me what to do because i don't need their money. >> and dallas mavericks owner mark cuban, another billionaire with no political experience share higs own explanation of trump's appeal writing trump is, quote, probably the best thing to happen to politics in a long, long time. i don't care what his action positions are or if he says the wrong thing. he says what's on his mind. he gives honest answers rather than prepared answers. this is more important than anything any candidate has done in years. cuban is not alone in that assessment. a focus group of a dozen republicans and independent voters in new hampshire who like trump. here is a taste of what they had
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to say. >> he speaks the truth. >> what truth is that? >> when he talks about especially immigration control and the border, he really -- >> unchoreographed. >> he is honest. >> i like his roughness and little reagan-esque. >> let's figure out exactly whats it that donald trump is tapping into. there was an article this morning in the washington post that looks at the trump platform and finds basically there is no pla platform. there's no details. >> he's just going to do it. >> saying that has vaulted him to first place. >> he's tapping into the frustration that most americans feel, and certainly i heard it when i was both in office and a candidate for congress. we have --s it true. it is true. we have a federal government that commands so much of our resources and yet is so
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ineffectively deploying them. look at the failures in the v.a., in the irs, the data breaches that have occurred in the federal government's database and exposed millions of people's information. just over and over again, this steady stream of news that tells us that the federal government is not performing for us. we have unprotected borders. we have all kinds of reasons and all kinds of suffering that's going on that isn't getting results for this country. he's tapping into that. as chris christie pointed out -- i thought this was a terrific counter in a town hall meeting this past week -- mr. trump is as you co-- accustomed to being the ceo of his company. if you say something, it happens. that isn't the case if you're the president. >> do they agree with what nan is saying there?
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right now they seem to be rallying around him. >> that's 100% right. we do know this, right? civics is no longer taught as a core requirement in elementary school and many people don't remember what they learned, apparently. so i think that because we have been conditioned now to watching reality television. and he had, one, of course, for ten years. this is the real deal. and he's not. he's a caricature of american politics, has no experience for running for office at all. he is the trump card, pun intended, because he can do that undisciplined because he doesn't have to rely on anyone else's resources. the real challenge is what the republican establishment will do because he is polling so well. steve, i've counted him out so many times. there's no way he's going to turn in his financial disclosure. he does that. i'm like there's no way that he survives this mccain debacle.
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and he survived it. >> right. >> i'm interested to see what happens on this debate stage. >> his style that he channels not just toward the political system. it's a cliche in politics to say i'm fed up with the system. he makes it so personal and it resonate. >> right. like what? >> ideological element to this that republicans do not want to talk about. he's channeling anxieties about immigration, race, the way that the country is changing that republicans have been carefully stoking for a while and he just gives it to them raw, primal, unvarnished and they love that. i don't think that's the majority of the base. right now he is at 20%, 25%. maybe he tops out there. s that the aspect of his candidacy that people don't want to talk about. that is very, very real. >> trump this week talking about political correctness and what he had to say. >> we're so politically correct
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in our country that people are sick and tired of it. and things aren't getting done. i don't think -- certainly, you want to be diplomatic. we're diplomatic in our country and everybody hates us all over the world. we're politically correct and the world hates the united states. >> the idea that he's talking about, we talk so much about the changing of america, demographic changes and overall he is not that popular right now. you look at him with that core republican base, older, white, more culturally conservative, uneasy with these changes, is that a big part of this? >> if you look at the town hall that you put on, i think that was john heiland, right? there was a young woman with a prominent tattoo. >> it was very white, though. >> but, fair enough, maybe that's how bloomberg put it together. >> it was new hampshire as well, which is probably 95%. >> right. but nonetheless there is -- look, i have african-american
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friends who have expressed extreme frustration with the way this country is running. so, there is an element of fear, perhaps, about where this country is going, what it's becoming versus what some folks have perceived it to have been. we can all take something from this. namely that we really do have to have a leader who will effectively take the federal government and make it work. if we take that home, i think that's a -- >> really quick, i think one thing we need to be really candid about -- you hit on this -- the fact that he's tapping into white fear that overwhelmingly exists in the republican party that says we don't like the way the country is going because we're going to be the minority in 2020. this doesn't have anything to do with barack obama politics or democratic-run presidency. this has everything to do with the changing demographics. >> i would submit to you that i think it is an expression of
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frustration with the status that we see the united states have in the world versus where it was for most of the post world war ii, 20th century. there is -- definitely, we hear the news every day about failures of the federal government. this is fundamentally what it is about. >> the slogan that he's using, make america great again. it's up to you to decide where you think the decline comes from. you want to make it great again, too. >> it's irrespective of race. >> we will see. >> i don't think that's right. it started with take our country back in 2010. and that also had racial undertones. i'm sorry. >> we'll have more biden talk, more trump talk. new poll numbers how donald trump and the rest of the field is doing right now. still ahead, king kong, no
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huddling in miami with his top advisers, scott walker fine tuning policy positions with his team and kentucky senator rand paul spending his time, sparring with an aide playing the role of donald trump. so how do the big names who will be on that stage thursday night stand out? what are the risks for them? and how should they handle the guy in the middle of it all, donald trump? we decided to ask norm ornstein, american scholar, to play the role of debate coach to tell us what he would tell the candidates they should do and they should absolutely not do when they're on that stage thursday night. norm, welcome back to the show. >> great to be here. >> let's start right now. debate coach, norm, you're talking to jeb bush. he has to be on the stage with donald trump and all these others. what do you tell jeb bush? >> we have to remember that the debate is not about an audience of people like you and me.
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these people debating are aiming first at a republican primary electorate, including a whole lot of people who are angry populists but others that jeb bush is going to be appealing to. the second audience is the big funders. for jeb bush, his candidates, the ones he's worried about are not the donald trumps or rand pauls of the world. they are the other establishment candidates. he wants to establish himself as the choice, not marco rubio or scott walker or chris christie or john kasich. he has to show he can be consistent, where he contrasts himself with the inconsistencies on issues like common core by scott walker, immigration by marco rubio and also he has to try to at least deflect the idea for a whole lot of those primary voters that his positions on common core and immigration are,
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perhaps -- but that they make sen sense. what i would also tell jeb bush is that you have to really work on that answer on immigration because donald trump is going to have much more traction after -- in ohio, the place of the debate, this latest incident with an undocumented immigrant attempting rape and then murdering people, to be able to show that you're tough on the borders. >> what about -- you mentioned the name of chris christie there. big part of this comeback strategy he has, involves these debates, having one of those chris christie moments and outbursts on the stage. now he will be on the stage with donald trump. what does christie do here? >> he's in a very difficult position. trump has stolen his thunder in a couple of ways. christie got out there as a guy who would tell it likes it and a guy who could tell others to sit down and shut up. now you've got donald trump, who has really taken all the oxygen out of that room. christie has to show, hoping that trump begins to fade, where
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are those voters going to go? can he still straddle the line enough that he could be acceptable to the establishment that he is the responsible donald trump? he knows how to govern. donald trump doesn't. >> a responsible donald trump. i like that slogan. let me ask you about rand paul. rand paul, is he somebody who -- a lot of talk about his potential. he faded into the background here, talk of chaos in his campaign. what do you think rand paul can do on that stage thursday? >> rand paul rhymes with free fall. this has not been a good time for rand paul. he has not found the niche he thought he would have. he needs to establish his libertarian credentials. paul is not going to be able to compete for the angry populist vote with ted cruz or donald trump. or, for that matter, chris christie. what he has to do -- he hasn't even been able to win over his father's supporters in the
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libertarian base. his issue, one of his main issues, prison reform, has pretty much been co-opted by others and foreign policy positions, angry populists are mostly reacting against barack obama. he's weak. we need to be strong. i think he just had ans to show that he's a libertarian, try to make himself relevant. get enough tracts that he can at least stay in the game and hope that that isolationist libertarian focus out there that's been lost in the shuffle for now comes back. tough job, though. >> rocky in the movies had burgess meredith in the corner. republican candidates have norm ornstein, our resident debate coach here. thanks for joining us today. >> absolutely, steve. new poll numbers for the presidential race hot off the presses. numbers that could shape that dough bait thursday night. who is on stage and who isn't? next, how in the world did we ever get to 17? to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain...
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so just why is it that so many republicans are running for president? it's a question we get asked a lot and a question that we are asking a lot, the 17th contender on the republican side with his announcement on thursday. 17, almost double the number that made a run for gop in 2012. that's when nine major candidates made it to the ballot for the iowa caucuses. until this year, that was the largest field for either party going back at least two decades. just two democrats vied for the nomination in 2000, al gore and bill bradley. why are so many fighting for republican nomination this time around? nan hayworth, 17 candidates on the republican side. there's another name out there that i think we might even end up at 18 still potentially. what's the reason for this?
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>> i think there is tremendous energy on the republican side. there's no denying it. we will have completed two terms with president obama and a very -- you know, a strong leftward bend in the administration that i think a lot of folks who talked about the frustration with the federal government, i think there is a lot of reason why a republican would -- an executive, a senator, carly fiorina, who has had extensive, obviously, executive experience in business, would want to try to get into this race. i think there is a great opportunity there. 2016 is a great chance for a republican to be elected president. >> i also feel like we're picking up on something happening within the republican party here where none of these candidates are intimidated by anybody. in the past you think of george w. bush back in 2000. he raised all that money, got all the endorsements. all these candidates scattered.
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we can't beat this guy. we won't run against him i think john kasich even said at the beginning of the year i thought jeb bush would run away with this thing and it didn't happen. i think people look at it and say why me -- well, why not me? >> one, it's wide open. a lot of these candidates are t part of the wave. this is the first presidential election they could run. it seems like that was the plan all along for them. so we'll see what happens. some of thechl m on the kids' t. >> it's not the kids' table. they're the lucky ones. >> i'm just joking. >> lindsey graham is calling it happy hour. >> that was great. >> for some of them it's the why the heck not reason, right? they're going to get publicity, book sales, nice contract with fox news. there's nothing to lose. >> the other thing we really need to take into consideration is the fact that republicans got their butts handed to them in
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2008 in 2012. and i think they're at a point where they're like i'm not listening to what you all tell me to do anymore. i'm not listening to who you say is the person who is absolutely going to run. mccain looked like the heir apparent. that didn't go so well. they picked a terrible vice presidential candidate that i think helped to siveng the race for them. also with mitt romney, you have someone who is off the cuff but in a very private setting. and i think that 47% comment caught up to them. they're no longer waiting for someone to say this is who we're picking. it may not even go like that. they didn't invite donald trump to this summit. >> the other thing i wonder about, how many republicans -- we talk about the potential in these debates to have that breakout moment. how many look at that and say look, if i could just get up on that stage, that moment of the spotlight, i can zip up from 2% to 20% overnight. it raises the question, if you're going to have this cap at ten candidates, let's have --
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i'm curious, those candidates at the kids' table, lindsey graham calls it the happy hour. will they reassess if they're denied that spot from the debate? still ahead, latest reports that joe biden is considering a late entry into the 2016 field. obama administration is giving george w. bush's art work a prominent display. we'll show you what that's about. stay with us. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ (dad) we lived... thanks to our subaru. ♪ (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving
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other news making headlines, george w. bush painting to hang in washington's blair house, directly across from the white house, the president's guest house, foreign leaders stay there when they're visiting. the oil painting by george w. bush is titled "bovines on the brassos." it's not yet been revealed. brassos river winds through
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texas, passing through his dallas home. this is an interesting post presidential hobby. he has become a painter. >> he has been very private in his post presidential life and very gracious. he has never criticized his successor. he has been a little bit in the background. >>s that the custom that his father adhered to, would not say anything negative about bill clinton all those years. you do wonder with the bush name baggage, maybe jeb is happy he's being quiet these days. empire state building. check this out. this is from last night, lit up with projections of endangered species, 160 species were displayed over a 33-floor span of the building. filmmaker behind the project also included an image of cecil the lion, the lion in zimbabwe that was illegally hunted last month, touring above new york city last month. >> i hope they extradite dr.
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walker to zimbabwe. >> the zimbabwe government is now calling for that, huh? >> it's inexcusable, absolutely inexcusable to do that to an endangered species. i've got to say, hunting for food, perfectly legitimate. trophy hunting these beautiful animals, i can't morally justify it. >> a lot of sympathy this week for cecil the lion. let's see what else we have. at 93 years old, tv producer norman lear is working on a new show, to keep pushing boundaries. parent sitcom "one day at a time." lear doesn't see enough diversity on the air these days, 21 years since his last sitcom. >> i got to hear him speak at a people for mile an hour way event. just to hear the fact that he was pushing boundaries before so many minds were even on that is so amazing. i'm looking forward to that.
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>> and at 93. >> we had him on the show last year. totally with it. totally quick. you think of those great sitcoms from the 1970s "all in the family," "the jeffersons," "maud." >> i'm the only person here that actually watched "all in the fami family" when they were broadcast. >> they were entertaining but they were about something. they were political. >> and they weren't padedantic. they did it in a way that didn't feel as though now you're going to sit down and get spoon fed. >> we're beating you over the head with it. >> right. >> let's see what this new show is all about. chicago tribune, my favorite story of the day, the hitchhiking robot. cross country trip. have you heard about this thing? cross country trip ends in philadelphia, damaged beyond repair after just two weeks into this cross country journey, hitch bot, launched by
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the presidential race. talk about that in just a few minutes. we want to get started right away this hour with breaking news for you. brand new nbc news wall street journal polling numbers that, once again, have donald trump in the lead in the republican race for president and they will almost certainly be used to determine who will take the stage and who won't on thursday night for that first big republican debate. let's take a closer look at these numbers. again, these are brand new, hot off the presses. nbc news/wall street journal poll for the republican race for president. you can see it. donald trump in there at first place at 19%, scott walker behind him at 15. jeb bush behind them, third place at 14%. draw your attention to a very specific part of this poll. it's right here. this is critical. we'll get to a closer look at this in a minute. right now this is ninth, tenth, 11th place, a three-way tie right here right around tenth place. remember the rules for that first debate coming up on
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thursday night. you have to be in the top ten in an average of the five most recent polls. this poll will probably be part of that average. you can see that cut line. tie right there. kasich, perry, christie, the three candidates fighting for their lives right now when it comes to this debate. two of them are going to be in that debate, it would appear. one of them will not be. a tie between the three of them. that's how close this is. let's take a closer look when it comes to this debate. the rules here, it's an average of the five most recent national polls as recognized by fox news. a lot of guess work in terms of what fox news is and isn't going to recognize. they haven't said publicly. the polls have to be published before this tuesday at 5:00 pm. so there is still a chance for more polling numbers to come out between now and tuesday at 5:00 pm and to be included in fox news' criteria. we've been trying our best to do an average, rolling average of the five most recent polls. polls we think will likely be
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used for this, to give us a sense of who will be in that top ten and who won't be. our estimate right now based on the new poll we just showed you, factored in with all the others. last candidate in would be john kasich right now. 3.2% is his average in the most recent polls. he would be number ten. get the tenth and final ticket to that debate. chris christie would be at number nine. carly fiorina, rick santorum, george pataki, lindsey graham and just missing out, rick perry, who many say ais running again for redemption of his image, how poorly he did in 2012. rick perry would be the first one out. he would not even make the debate. he would be edged out by john kasich, who just got into this race and now would claim that tenth spot in our estimate of what will be in these polls.
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highlights from the brand new nbc news wall street poll, donald trump remains the front-runner. john kasich appears to be solidifying his place on the stage with rick perry being the first candidate pushed out. keep a close eye on that. right now we'll walk over and get reactions from my panel this morning to all these polling numbers. with us, saey kapour, angela rye and nan hayworth, co-chair for the carly fiorina campaign. >> volunteer for it. >> we're coming up on this debate. critical question of who makes the stage and who doesn't. headline from this, it's starting to look like rick perry may not be on that stage.
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john kasich may be. >> he took the most fierce swing against donald trump. he called him the cancer of the republican party. nationally, john kasich appears to be gaining traction as well. who will not be on that main stage. two most experienced governors in the republican field, george pataki and rick perry and the only woman candidate carly fiorina not on the stage. the only indian candidate, bobby jindal, not on the stage. >> there was a risk for john kasich. if he's not on stage for that first debate in his home state it could have been a very short candidacy. now rick perry has been trying very hard to get attention here off this donald trump story and he's falling. >> i'm sad for my tweets that he
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won't be in the race -- or in the debate. he would say something funny. i know that that's not what he was hoping to do. but he can't help himself. for kasich, you talked about how embarrassing it would be for perry. how horrible it would be for him, because it's in his home state. we have to note that donald trump's numbers are a little down. he has been hovering in the low 20s. that may mean he's vulnerable enough for them to really hit him hard. he's going to overtalk them. collectively they have eight to ten minutes to make their pitch to say why they are the candidate of choice. they should use 30 seconds of that to knock trump down a notch. that may help with the next round of polls. >> the ganging up strategy there. nan, as a carly fiorina supporter, it looks like she will not be on the stage for this debate. what does it mean to her candidacy or any of these that do not make the cut to be on stage? >> if you take a look, we have
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basically five candidates to command more tan close to 10% or better, with trump being at 19% in your poll. the remaining field, 3% versus 1% in this kind of a field is not necessarily such an enormous barrier. and i think it is still early. obviously, someone like carly fiorina, for example, has big name recognition challenge to overcome. but more than that, i think there is real opportunity, actually, for these distinguished folks who are in the second group, if you will, to -- you know, they're going to be on at 5:00 on fox. they're not going to have the distraction of donald trump. they're also not going to have -- >> the audience. >> yeah, that's right. >> but, you know, i think this -- you know, this isn't over yet. there's a lot of opportunity. of course, we're also looking at
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what's going to happen to the vice presidential slot on this ticket. there were some very important things that are going to happen beyond this debate. >> you know, the tradition in republican presidential politics, until this cycle, this iowa straw poll, ames straw poll. candidates would go out. if you didn't do well in the ames straw poll, that would dwindle the field. tim pawlenty dropped out because he didn't do there. sam brownback did poorly and dropped out after that. is this the criteria for this debate potentially going to perform that same function now and dwindle this field? >> those aren't in the top ten will certainly have a much harder bar to climb. the other thing that i would point out in that poll that struck me, marco rubio, top tier candidate all the way down to eighth in that poll. he has really been hurt by donald trump's rise. >> yeah. >> you can see, trump at 19%,
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angela, you're saying down a little bit. >> yeah. >> potentially could be a margin of error issue as well. look, first place and first place. at the same time, people look at donald trump's numbers and a we focus so much on the 20% who are for them. does that mean 80% of the party is against him? >> as a republican, my biggest concern is this. that we have such a fragmentation of resources at this point with 17 candidates in the race. i just hope that we can have all of those resources collectively -- whenever we concentrate, and we eventually will, obviously, choose a candidate, i hope all this effort collectively will serve to advance our cause for 2016. my biggest concern is that we obviously have a circular fire squad and waste a lot of resources against each other. >> are you talking about the resources? i just read something, i think yesterday, talking about the amount of money that republican
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super pacs have compared to dems and i think dems are about $18 million and republicans are over $200 million. >> i'm delighted to hear that, angela. i've got to say. >> half of that is jeb bush. >> i just want it all to go toward the cause. >> the nightmare scenario for republicans is that all the other candidates beneath trump split their vote 16 different ways and he comes out the winner. imagine that. >> i don't foresee that. >> let's see how he does on the debate stage. john kasich looks like he will squeeze there and make the debate stage, rick perry will be squeezed out. new numbers in the next couple of days could change that. s that the trend. very interesting development there. the latest at this hour on the new reports. we've been talking about them all morning, that have joe biden considering a last-minute entry into the presidential race. we'll go to the white house now where kristen welker is standing by in our washington bureau.
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kristen, joe biden -- the reports are out there that he's considering it. how serious is this? >> well, that's really the big question this morning. look, just a little bit of background. speculation first started with the report of the "new york times" yesterday, which ran the headline that vice president joe biden is taking what the paper called a new look at a potential run. and i'll read you a little bit from that report, steve. it said, quote, mr. biden's advisers have started to reach out to democratic leaders and donors who have not yet committed to mrs. clinton. one possible factor to take into account, biden's late son, beau, who passed away in may from brain cancer at age 46, reportedly urged his father to run before he passed away. a statement was sent to me downplaying the speculation. as the biden family continues to go through this difficult time, the vice president is focused on his family and immersed in his work. here is the reality check. some of biden's key aides have
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been working with helping secretary clinton, as you know, as we've reported, has broad support among democrats, still polling very well. and biden would likely only really seriously consider running if she were to stumble in a big way. that, of course, has not happened. having said that, one source also make this is point. the bottom line is once you run for president, you always have that inherent desire. we do know that these are conversations that biden is having with family, friends and associates and biden has said publicly he will make a decision at the end of the summer. we're told he will take a big family vacation and then at the end of that family vacation, he will likely make his final decision. >> as you say, the appetite, the desire, the drive to be president has been there with joe biden for so long. you magnify it with the fact that this really is the last time he has a plausible shot at it. let me ask this, though, kristen. i think back to the democratic party. last time we had an outgoing democratic president, bill
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clinton after two terms, his vice president run in 2000, al gore. bill clinton was behind that campaign from the beginning. he saw it as a legacy and wanted al gore to win. joe biden, sitting vice president of barack obama, he wouldn't have that kind of support from the white house, i don't get that sense. >> i don't get that sense either, steve. president obama has been fairly robust in terms of his support of secretary clinton. having said that, i think it's interesting if you look at the optics. vice president biden has been next to president obama's side recently at almost every public announcement that president obama has made. they are very close. so you would have to imagine that if he actually did throw his hat into the ring,s that something that would be really difficult for president obama. he would have to really think about how he would handle that and straddle that line. obviously he has given some support to his form eer secreta of state. they did that outgoing interview
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together when she was leaving her post and a lot of people thought that was essentially president obama endorsing secretary clinton. if vice president biden were to decide to run, it would be very difficult and i assume very complicated for president obama because, again, the two have a very close relationship. >> it's such an odd situation to have a sitting vice president overshadowed in so many ways by somebody else for his party's nomination. kristen welker in washington, thank you for joining me this morning. >> thank you. appreciate it. more discussion with our panel on the other side of the break. people with type 2 diabetes
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we're back now with this morning's big developing story. reports that vice president joe biden is considering a late entry into the race for president.
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according to the "new york times," the vice president once again is weighing a run with his late son, beau, cited as a possible factor in having prompted the second look at a race. that's been errored by the l.a. times, associated press. hillary clinton has locked up a lot of support on the democratic side. the vice president has yet to do any of the work it takes to build a campaign. the panel is back with me now. let's talk more about joe biden. we were talking earlier in the show about scenarios that would get him into the race. one you look at right now, i guess a little bit is bernie sanders has gotten so much traction on the democratic side. surprising traction on the democratic side. he still trails hillary clinton, obviously. you look in new hampshire. he's within 15 points right now. iowa is further out there. it's a state that there could be room for growth for bernie sanders there. at the same time, democrats look at sanders and say we can't put up our self declare d nominee.
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is the moment there for biden where the party panics and says, hillary's a goner. we can't have sanders. we need a third option. it's joe biden? >> i think that's highly possible. here is the reality of this. the reason he's going to take as much time as he is to consider a run is because he he doesn't want to just run again for a third time. he wants to win if he gets into the race. one thing that democrats need to consider is the path. what is the real path? joe biden, i think, out of the other candidates involved, yet to be named -- but when i think about jim webb or lincoln who are just not getting any real traction, joe biden gets blue collar workers easily because of his background in scranton, pennsylvania and overwhelming support from african-americans. the president just joked on his trip to africa teabout a third
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term. a lot of people in this country would love to see an obama third term and joe biden is most like that. >> we have the converse that have on the democratic side and it illustrates the potential dangers of concentrating all your resources very early. hillary clinton owns the machinery and is a deeply flawed candidate, getting more so every day. >> it's interesting. slippage that clinton has had in the polls is not really on the democrat democratic side, still within the democratic party. >> that's right. >> one calculation biden has to make here, i got to be vice president, this great, everybody thought, career capping experience. to run now as the sitting vice president, if he goes and runs
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in iowa, he doesn't just lose to hillary. he loses to bernie sanders, comes in third. then his legacy -- he's saddled with that forever. that's humiliating. >> where biden is right now as we discussed, he realizes correctly that he would be the national successor to president obama if somebothing were to happen to hillary. short of that, i think he's just building an operation. he's gauging his support. you wanted something your whole life and people are saying do it, it's hard to ignore that. he wants to be ready to jump in if that moment comes. that's how i read this latest news here. >> personal thing on joe biden's part, too. not just that he wanted it so much but the bond with his son by this report of his son telling him this on his death bed saying dad i want you to do this. there's a strong personal tug that we can talk about all the political calculations. it's a tough load for him politically.
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does the personal override at some level? >> the personal may override it but only if he really sees a pathway. i think this is going to be an emotional and logical decision and he has to have people in his camp telling him about the truth in their numbers. i don't know where they are right now. i think it's kind of early. >> the other thing, he seems to be -- hillary clinton projects -- everybody talks about it. it's talked about on the democratic side. she has this artificiality. she doesn't seem genuine. she's doing this because she's entitled to this position because she's the woman and it's time for a woman and i'm the woman and so on, and i have all the money. joe biden seemses is. there sincere. >> i don't know that she seems entitled as much as people are really ready to see a woman president. we've elected the first black president. it's her time and i think it's her time is the narrative that has played in many of our minds. >> sure. >> 2008 through 2012.
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>> but is that enough to elect somebody president? >> i admit it's a not. >> hillary clinton is not behaving like an entitled candidate. >> i don't think so. >> not like she did in 2008. >> oh, based on what? >> her slowigan was i'm in it t win it. >> keeping the press away at arm's length. >> that is not entitled. that's control. >> the challenge, too, of running -- >> the candidate that she was in 2008. she's different. >> there is a challenge, though, of running as a clinton in america in 2016. this country has seen clintons forry generation now. >> that's right. >> there are so many built-in perceptions about who they are, what they represent that it almost doesn't matter. that's one of the things we're seeing with this campaign. it almost doesn't matter what she says and what she does because everybody has -- whatever side you're on, everybody has this filter through which they see every action that the clintons take. up next, breaking news we have to tell you about this morning
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with congress about to head off on vacation for a month, the clock is ticking on the 60-day review of the airer iran deal. the clock won't stop while they're away. in committees this week for a few final prevacation rounds of heated questioning. >> i'm just seeing big picture. big picture. when we end up with a bottom line where in eight years they get the missile, it doesn't look like a victory to me. it looks like their own goal. they may not get the missile but they can buy the technology at time. >> actually, they can't, mr. chairman. >> to our allies in israel across all party lines believe this is a bad deal, secretary kerry? >> no, not everybody believes that. >> name one political party in israel. >> political party? >> yes, people who are actually
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governing the country. name one political parties that for this deal. >> house democrats at the white house on wednesday night where he answered specific questions about the agreement with iran, one member telling politico, quote, it's a different white house. he's working this differently than i've ever seen him work anything and i think it's making a difference. with me now, congressman dan kilde. he also represents an american being held hostage in iran since 2011. thank you for joining us this morning. you have now come out and announced your support for this deal. what was it the president said to you that won you over? >> well, it wasn't just what the president had to say. although, that was a factor. i have engaged in a pretty exhaustive set of steps to learn more about the agreement, talk
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to people outside of the agreement. internationally known expert on nuclear weapons. the president and his cabinet, obviously, i consulted with them. bottom line is this. there are problems with any agreement that is negotiated. in this case we have to evaluate the agreement against what we think the rational alternatives are. the protection that it provides for the next decade, decade and a half as opposed to the possibility of iran being able to develop a nuclear weapon, say, in the next three months, it was clear to me that on balance we're better off dealing with iran and all its bad behavior to contain them. >> put a poll up on the screen. this came out in the last couple
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of weeks. should congress approve or reject the deal with iran? 52% saying it should be rejected. 44% say approve this deal. we played that clip of lindsey graham with secretary of state john kerry. our ally in the middle east, israel. if you go across the board the major political parties in israel across the board you're going to find opposition to this deal. and some very sort of urgent warnings about the necessity of killing this deal. where do you think that across the board opposition comes from and does that weigh on you at all? >> if you live in israel, the idea of accepting anything that has to do with iran, i understand why there would be not just a reluctance but a real negative reaction to anything from iran.
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it's best to take a look at the deal as opposed to the alternatives and when you still hear voices within iran calling for the elimination of israel, which you would hear no matter how good this deal was, i understand why particularly in the israel political structure there would be great reluctance to embrace any deal which are an at all. >> it involves a 24-day period for inspections that iran basically gets a heads up and basically has up to 24 days to prepare for any inspections. critics say that basically gives them all the time they need and more to hide anything that they don't want inspectors to see. what do you say to that? >> there needs to be an honest assessment for what it says. 24-day inspection is for sites that have yet to be determined that have anything to do with their nuclear program. we would have 24 days after those are identified, we would
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give notice and there would be a process that would allow access to those locations. so on one hand, the identified sites, there is no 24-day. we would have immediate access to those identified sites. the second and most important point about the 24-day notice is that when speaking to secretary muniz -- or if you don't want to accept anybody in the obama administration, speaking to graham alison, who has spent his career looking at this, or other experts, they say that there's no way that iran could keep clandestine any activity that would deal with weaponization of nuclear material. that would leave traces that are easily identifiable. 24 days later, 48 days later, months and years later. i don't sees that tha as an objection that ought to stop the deal. it's just a practical part of
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the process of getting access to sites that, right now we don't even have any suspicion about in iran. >> congressman dan kildee, congressman from michigan, thanks for getting up with us this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you. iowa may hold the first nominating contest of the year but an unofficial primary over the weekend may be just as important to some of the republican candidates' fate. first why one republican candidate is striking a different tune on immigration. that's next. stay with us. and when you bundle your home and auto insurance through progressive, you'll save a bundle! [ laughs ] jamie. right. make a bad bundle joke, a buck goes in the jar. i guess that's just how the cookie bundles. now, you're gonna have two bundles of joy! i'm not pregnant. i'm gonna go. [ tapping, cash register dings ] there you go. [ buzzing ] bundle bee coming! it was worth it! saving you a bundle when you bundle -- now, that's progressive.
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it's time for their leaders to either get on board or get out of the way. the cuba embargo needs to go once and for all. >> hillary clinton on friday, taking her campaign to miami and calling on republican leaders to get on board with lifting the
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cuba embargo. not just republicans but some democrats opposed to that still. it's how she feels the republican candidates are failing to live up to the times. former florida governor jeb bush sat down with jose diaz biart speaking entirely in spanish, governor bush outlined his plan for the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the united states. [ speaking spanish ] [ speaking spanish ] hillary clinton and jeb bush
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both expressing issues in the hispanic community. how do those translate to voters nationwide? normalalizing relations with cuba? 56% of republicans say they are in favor of re-establishing ties and 59% want to get rid of the trade embargo. when it comes to immigration, attitudes change, especially in the early caucus and primary states, according to the most recent merist poll. 56% of iowa republicans say they are less likely to vote for a candidate who supports pathway to citizen. jeb bush appears to be in a tuckly tough spot here. republican primary voters believe his support for legal status goes too far and they would like to be -- less likely as a result to vote for him. latino voters who he tried to reach this week, might say his
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positions doesn't go far enough. latino u.s.a. on npr and president of nutoro media group. this is what they identified after the 2012 election, did an autopsy report and said one of the areas we need to change is immigration. it was the only specific policy proposal that was in there. now we're into the 2016 campaign right now and it seems that the temperature in the republican party is even cooler toward immigration reform now than it was three years ago. do you see looking at the 2016 election right now, do you see any path for republicans improving their standing with latino voters without immigration reform? >> without immigration reform? no. actually. i mean, i think that's central. i think people sometimes forget that this is something that is really personal for latinos. and, let's be clear also that the role that the media plays into this. i think about the iowa voters and i think about the
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enlightened northeast of new hampshire with those very high numbers and think what is the image that they have of the people who would be attempting to become citizens of our country? someone like me, for example, who was an immigrant and became a citizen. do they know the number of canadians or irish immigrants who are living in our midst? and if the conversation was different, would there be this uproar if it was irish, if it was canadian? i was with congressman on a panel yesterday at the aba. he said let's call this whats it. he said it was race iracism. if the republican party wants to be out in front and frankly with a candidate like george -- i mean jeb bush, it could be theirs. speaking spanish. i agree he hasn't gone far enough. that's what i'm hearing from latinos out there. but --
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>> that's a question that i'm curious about, too. there is much more diversity in republican presidential field now than we've seen really in any presidential field ever before. and there's some talk of could the republican party, if any nominated jeb bush with a wife from mexico, jeb bush who speaks fluent spanish, if they nominated marco rubio from a cuban family, ted cruz from texas, somebody with a different background that speaks to this sort of emerging new america, could that override a party platform that doesn't change on immigration? >> but if they're going to speak to this america then they're going to have to talk about the issues that these latino voters want to hear about. it's not just marco rubio, we're going to vote for him. it's much more complex than that. and i think the big worry with latino voters is what they've been through over the last eight years, which has been a series of promises. i've been doing a series of reports in the last two weeks talking about dreamers and the depth of depression they felt
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when the dream act didn't push through. there is a real opportunity now that they need to connect with this issue. and, again, people think that i care about this because i'm an immigrant and i am proud mexican. but really i care about this because i'm an american citizen. i really want democracy to grow. if you have a republican party that is not connecting and you have a democratic party with a president that is -- you know, the deporter in chief, how does that look to the latino voters? they look at that and say maybe we sit this one out again. although what i am hearing and what we have seen is that the latino electorate can be energized. that in itself is exciting. it can be energized if you tap into it. >> another way of looking at this, too, the republican party position on immigration, did it turn off latino voters in 2012 and did it turn off white voters who are not comfortable with a party that has, you know, sort
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of nativist tinges in it? we look at the immigration issue almost too directly. it affects latinos but also that kind of rhetoric -- >> i talk about the irish, canadians and your neighbors and say let's talk about this. >> asian americans in 2012 voted for president obama at a higher rate than latinos. the reason for that is the rhetoric on immigration, even though they were talking about illegal immigration, they perceived it as a slight. jeb bush, especially legal status without the possibility of citizenship, could they make an inroad when they're facing hillary clinton, who not only supports path to citizenship? it seems she's making an offer to them that no republican could match without primarily destroying themselves with the electorate. >> i think about hillary clinton, i think about the opportunities that she has to really connect with this elect orate now and make it really clear that she understands.
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the expansion -- it's not law. this is a problem to say we're going to expand it. hillary clinton, when she spoke to nclr, was it a forceful speech? have you really heard her say i repudiate what donald trump is saying? i am going to have a national speech? i'm going to create a moment to talk about immigrants and latinos? kind of like those watershed moments. this is hers. she could do that. i'm not saying that latinos will immediately fall into lockstep but there's a moment here. when you see jeb bush kind of being very open, connecting, speaking in spanish, not going the extra mile of saying, you know, path to citizenship guaranteed. there's a space there that i think is interesting right now. >> him speaking in spanish, i think, is definitely charming. but, again, if his policy positions still don't even go as far as president obama's now --
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i know you're calling him the deporter in chief, i would be eager to see what you call a republican president because their policies would dial back. what isn't even law now. the reason it isn't law now -- i think you would have to agree with this -- is because the republicans control both the senate and the house. >> i agree with you. let's not -- >> the dream act didn't pass under democratic house and senate. >> because of republican filibuster. >> it's an interesting -- >> but they couldn't get it done. >> if republicans were to nominate marco rubio, he played a big hand in the demise of comprehensive immigration. >> when he was the champion initially. he got slapped down. >> this is the fascinating moment we're living in our country right now with this fascinating moment of demographic change and complexity of voter that of course they're going to be thrilled to hear jeb bush speaking in spanish. that's cool. but what is he actually delivering? what is he actually going to deliver? that, i become more and more
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convinced that this latino -- >> we're out of time but thank you for joining us. up next, comedian amy schumer gets serious for a cause. when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.
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as we know, she as well lied about benghazi, and libya is now a failed state and a haven for terrorists. in the world i come from, track record counts. track record counts. mrs. clinton's track record is one of failure. we have festering problems in washington, d.c. i think my question to governor bush would be, why do you think you are the bush who can change that? >> that was carly fiorina going after hillary clinton and jeb bush at the koch brothers summit. jeb bush also addressed the wealthy crowd of donors.
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jeb bush, marco rubio, ted cruz will take their turns later today at this event. charles koch talks about reckless despair by both parties. nan, i know you're a carly lly fiorina supporter. who is not there? donald trump. he was not invited by the kochs. >> the kochs are running this by money they've raised and they can invite who they wish. they are wondering about donald trump's seriousness as a candidate. >> can the kochs stop donald trump? >> maybe. it speaks to donald trump who doesn't care what anyone thinks. >> let's see here, we have another headline here. this is from the new york daily news. this is amy schumer.
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she pledges to act on gun violence and thinks about the louisiana movie theater shooting every day. it was her movie "trainwreck" playing when people were gunned down. yesterday she responded to a sandy hook survivor who wrote her in an open letter begging her to take action on gun violence. >> what a responsible way to use her platform. i think that's tragic that her movie is now associated with this very tragic crime, but i think it's also great to see when entertainers will sign up for social causes and political policies and changes like this when they're so important. we've been talking about this for so long and couldn't even get a background check passed in the senate, so it's about time. >> president obama has called gun violence the inability to do anything about it, the greatest frustration of his presidency. >> in sandy hook, 20 children, and that didn't provoke a response. you wonder what could.
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this is from the ap. an investigation by the associated press. the olympic teams next year to swim in rio de janeiro's filth. the associated press found dangerous levelsviruses and bacteria from human sewage. some of the people have already gotten sick. they are promising everything will be safe when the games begin in august. i saw some of the pictures here. i don't want to be -- >> speaking from their position, that is a hideous hazard to these olympic athletes. and you cannot inoculate them or protect them from everything that's in that water. and that's the situation. >> they got a year to really clean this up. you think of some polluted, dirty bodies of water around the world, it takes more than a year. the charles river in boston is barely swimmable now. >> it goes back to the olympic election committee. >> i appreciate you all for
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being here. and thank you for getting up with us today. i'm going to be at that republican presidential debate in cleveland. i'll be reporting on that this week on nbc. debate night is thursday night. hope to see all of you here for our coverage and analysis. first, up next, melissa harris-perry. i'm going to be sticking around for that, too. see you next week. have a great week. and now you can't connect the way you used to... because you switched wireless carriers and are getting a less reliable connection. it's okay. we're still here for you and we'll be happy to have you back on a reliable network. come home to verizon and get 10 gigs for $80 a month plus $15 per line. only at verizon. chuck, i know i have a 798 fico score, thanks to experian.com. kaboom...
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