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it's total media domination for donald trump. sit-down interviews. must see news conferences. a town hall before thousands and that was just wednesday. friday his campaign says he's expecting tens of thousands to attend a rally in mobile, alabama. that's his first major tour of the south. here are highlights of town hall. >> there's a very big question as to the anchor babies. it's going to be a real wall, not a toy wall like we have right now. i want it to be so beautiful because maybe some day they're going to call it the trump wall. right down the road we have jeb. very small crowd. jeb bush is a low energy person. for him, to get things done is hard. he's very low energy. mitt romney let us down. he should have won that election. he failed. he choked. the only thing constant is trump. i mean, all of them change or on the bottom.
going up and down like yo-yos. >> chuck todd is nbc political director and moderator and editing director of "meet the press." e-mail from jeb bush's brother and it's asking for money. just coming out, just getting word of it here. it reads, in part here, jeb took on tough challenges as florida's governor and delivered results. he will do the same as president. that's why i'm asking you to stand behind him with a gift of $100, $50, or $25. what does it say to you that george w. bush, jeb bush's brother, is now in this to help his brother? >> these fund-raising e-mails, remember all the campaigns do a lot of these every day and in this case, you know, you want to use some -- sometimes use a name you might be surprised to see and make people open it up. the trick on all of those fund-raising e-mails is to use a name and subject line that makes people click and makes people open it up. i'm sure that's what the bush campaign saw there. small dollars matter.
i tell you, the way the cost of running tv ads as a campaign versus a super pac tells you that campaign money still matters and we know that jeb bush doesn't have a lot of small donors and he needs some. >> trying to get that media share of voice is going to cost him money. and that might be up against what might be calming a media juggernaut and we're talking about, of course, trump as we were leading off this segment with. i'm going of show you two images of "time" magazine cover. you can see the cover image here. right there. more impressive is this image from the magazine. donald trump and the symbol of america, as you see there, a bald eagle. it reminds some of that song by john ashcroft, "let the eagle soar." how far can trump soar here when you see this barrage? we just talked about the list of wednesday, for instance. >> well, look, this is a case, look at this "time" magazine cover shoot. they're the ones that decided to have him stand with an eagle.
you know, this is certainly going to be plenty of journalism professors that are going to ask that question, is, you know, is this a question of the media helping -- help his image even more by showing trump with a bald eagle. so let that debate take place in journalism classes, as i think it should. but look, i think the larger question here is what are the other campaigns thinking about this point? look, i have heard a lot of -- i've gotten a lot of complaints about coverage we in general give to trump. and that coverage begets coverage begets coverage. and it hasn't mattered for him whether the coverage is negative, whether the coverage is positive. if you did it on a tone scale you would probably say he's getting mostly negative media but that hasn't hurt him yet. it certainly hasn't hurt him in the republican primary. i get that. i think the question that other campaigns have to -- are trying to figure out is, i think a
month ago they all assumed this is going to be a summer fling, as soon as labor day comes around, the serious campaign begins. and the flirtation will go away. i think now these campaigns have to start asking themselves, okay, trump's here to stay, as the "time" cover says, it's a great line, "deal with it." the question is how are they going to deal with it. watching jeb bush try to be polite in his criticism to trump versus trump who is not being polite in his criticism to jeb, you know, he is exposing one of those flaws in jeb that some conservatives have complained about even before there was a trump which is jeb tough enough to take on the clintons, does he have enough passion to understand the conservative grass roots and the dueling images yesterday was, i think, not good for jeb simply on that front. >> on that front as trump seems to be doing the uppercuts, jeb bush doing the jabs, here's one of his jabs trying to fight back at trump. take a listen to that real
quick. >> i'm running not because i have a, you know, desire to fulfill, some kind of ego. i'm not a big personality. it's not about me. it's about the problem our country faces right now. >> mr. trump doesn't have a prove sen conservative record. he's given more money to democrats than he's given to republicans. >> some have been calling that jeb bush's uppercut. but is it really enough here to go up against what's -- >> when i first heard that yesterday all i had in my head was the john lovett's i remem r impersonation of michael dukakis. that's what you hear internally from not just bush but from a number of candidates who they're looking around and they can't believe trump has this staying power, they can't believe that they're losing the argument to
this go i. and that's what's got him all thaied in to knots. i think, you know, this is where i think jeb is allowing the primary campaign to hurt him a little bit. yesterday the using the phrase and the terminology anchor baby, which is not a phrase or term allergy i don't think i would expect to hear from jeb bush. here he went on conservative talk radio, used the phrase. obviously hillary clinton pounced because they still are assuming jeb bush is going to be their opponent in the general election and they want him to own some of this rhetoric that they think will absolutely hurt bush with hispanic voters. and i think bush is falling into the same trap mitt romney did which is he's realizing, boy, the primary electorate wants something else and romney basically started to give it to them. jeb bush four years ago criticized romney for doing that and now jeb is falling into the same trap. >> that is a trap or was a trap, as you described there, chuck. since you did bring this up b i
want to switch over to hillary clinton. and new swing state poll that you're very familiar with from quinnipiac, first swing state match-up of clinton versus trump me leads in florida. she's ahead in other states by a few points. lead by bush has been reversed in florida. ditto in pennsylvania as you know. is this the e-mail controversy? >> well, look, i think the -- what i took out of these polls and, look, individually some of the florida numbers don't look a little too -- i think the sample is a little too republican heavy just in general when you look at some of the numbers. so i think those gaps. but there are a couple of overall trends that i think matter here. the biggest news out of there wasn't what you put up on the graphic. it was the fact that joe biden doesn't just match her in favorability rating in voters actually now has a better favorable rating. not by much but by he suddenly matching her there. that's an important moment for him if biden is truly getting in. the second part of it is biden does better in all the match-ups than clinton did in the general
election match-ups. why does that matter at this time? biden right now is what we understand or at least people on his behalf are talking to donors. donors care about this right now. and as donors contemplate whether either to leave clinton or maybe to jump in with biden, maybe they've already on the fence and haven't gotten ready for clinton, that evidence matters to them and they help biden put together a campaign even faster. >> nbc's chuck todd, your interview with donald trump set the tone that we got this week. thank you so much, chuck. appreciate it. >> thanks. of course you can be sure to catch chuck every sunday on nbc's "meet the press." trump also stirred reaction over his repeated use of a word that the american heritage dictionary defines a offensive. anchor babies. two demonstrate what we mean, here's trump at his media avail on wednesday sparring with a reporter over that very term, anchor baby. >> are you aware of the term anchor baby? that's an offensive term.
>> it's not politically correct and yet everybody uses it? you know what, give me a different term, give me a different term. >> child -- american child of undocumented immigrant. >> i'll use the word anchor baby. excue me. i use the word anchor baby. >> victoria defranchesko, thanks or being here with us. how racially charged is the word, the phrase there, anchor baby? >> it's very racially charged, richard. and it brings back memories of 2010. i feel like we're reliving the whole tea party revolution once again. the term anchor baby really came to the floor during that tea party revolution when we saw a number of candidates, some of which were successful, others who weren't, take hold of the immigration issue and use that to pump up support amongst primary, republican primary
voters. so it's very racially charged among very conservative republican circles. it's a phrase that can mobilize supporters. but on the flip side of that, richard, among the latino electorate, you see it also mobilizing latinos but in the opposite direction, wanting to get mobilized, wanting to get registered to vote and turn out. it can have two outcomes. this constant use of anchor babies. >> constant use, not only donald trump just for our folks joining us, in a radio interview yesterday jeb bush, as chuck todd was telling us, also using that term. hillary clinton tweeted in response to that use, she said, quote, they're called babies. as we look at that and that term, if we actually look at our bing pulse question, that the the question of the day. we're asking everyone at home to logon and answer it. are gop candidates going too far by using the term anchor babies? if they are going too far, is this it or can they turn this
ship around when they hit the general? >> we saw with romney that he couldn't, richard. if we remember back to the 2012 election, mitt romney coined the term self deportation. and that was seen atsz very offensive, very charged among the latino community and democratic community. i think the term anchor baby is similar to that self deportation. it's not that i'm saying it's racially charged and offensive. look at the numbers. you see the majority of americans do not gravitate from those terms. the gallop poll from july shows that only 19% of americans want to deport all undocumented persons. 65% of americans want a path to citizenship. 14% want to stay here. 80% of the northern american public actually wants immigrants to stay here. >> of course, the about it being
about mexico is part of the conversation when we all know that that is about 50% of undocumented immigrants and we have what some 1 million, api undocumented. we use that term or that intimation is used. i wish we had more time. i'm talking too much here. we'll get to you next time. okay? three firefighters were killed as they struggle to battle wildfires in washington state. cause of death is not known. four others were injured when winds shifted. this is a long line of flames that wreaked havoc wednesday, you see here. we also have the description of this as a hell storm. governor will give an update at 2:00 p.m. eastern as hundreds of people are forced from their homes. >> it's really hard. so i'll see if i have a house
tomorrow. i don't know. sorry. dozens of fires are raging across the west coast given by winds in dry conditions. it's getting so bad here that president obama has directed his team to closely monitor that situation. msnbc's liane gregg is in the town where the firefighters lost their lives. you know, liane, as we saw just now, a lot of grief and sadness, especially when we hear about those who are trying to help. >> that's right. in the community it's very somber. you can imagine how it is right here in the fire camp, just a strange mood this morning during the meeting when the firefighters were getting their directives to go out for the day. also knowing that this is going to be an extremely volatile day. yesterday they described as an epic wind day. and today it's going to be even worse. right now they are building containment lines. they're back in the air and they're trying to accomplish as much as they can in about four hours because the winds will kick up today earlier, beginning at about noon and will
increasingly get worse. we are told that tonight is the most dangerous night of the three in a row where this wind event is occurring and a lot of homes are threatened, but essentially they're extremely worried about the safety of the people who are battling these blazes. the sustained winds could get up to 40 to 45 miles per hour. so again, they're trying to take care of business as much as they can before they have to pull them back for safety reasons. richard? >> we hope the weather will help there. nbc's liane gregg. thank you so much. other breaking news net atlantic, related to weather, where danny has strengthened into the first hurricane of the 2015 season. as of 11:00 a.m. eastern hurricane danny was located 1100 miles east of the windward islands. est nated 75 miles per hour. danny could maintain hurricane strength as it passes over the lesser antilles islands before losing strength in the eastern caribbean. astronaut scott kelly took this photo of danny from the
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i didn't know what else i could do. i had already said no, and i had already moved his face physically. i didn't know what else he could understand from that. >> after an emotional day in court wednesday more dramatic new testimony today from the alleged victim at the center of a rape case rooking an elite school. the accuser said former student raped her last year. he has pleaded not guilty to all charges. his defense attorney accused her of lying in court today. take a listen. >> do you have any indication, like maybe you twirl your hair or tap your fingers when you're alone, do you know if you have
any of those, tales, they call them? >> no, i don't think so, because i try not to lie as much as possible. >> you try not to lie as much as possible. >> i try not to -- >> at times i guess you're unsuccessful? >> no. >> wendy murphy is an attorney and former prosecutor, not affiliated with the case. thanks for being here. as you can tell here, we're not naming the alleged victim. we're distorting her voice to protect her identity. from what you've heard so far, the tactic here, what some critics might say is victim blaming, what do you think is happening here? >> you know, i know jay carney very well. we worked together. i like him a lot. he's a great guy. that was the most ridiculous question i've ever heard a lawyer ask of a victim. do you twitch when you lie? do you have any signs when you lie? i mean, obvious his he's grasping at straws. let's be clear here. she's under the age of consent. jay knows there is no defense to
that. you know, that's kind of about consent or lying. it doesn't matter. if they had penetrating sexual activity, that's it. he's guilty. and we know he admitted it, we know the plan in terms of the senior salute was to be sexual in terms of sex act, actually penetrating sexually with her. we know that there was a condom involved that he was worried about whether she might become pregnant. friends were sexual, he penetrated her. we know she had vaginal tears. what more do you need? this to me is red herring defense strategy where you just say silly things and hope the jury doesn't see how strong the evidence is. jay is a great lawyer, but he's not a magician. >> so you're alluding here to the medical condition of the alleged victim. now, as you know, she sought out the school, the school nurse here, two days after the alleged rape. and here's what she said, the school nurse. >> did you talk about whether
the intercourse was consensual or not? >> yes, i did ask her those questions. and she said that it was consensual, that it was not coerced. >> okay. so the flip side here. does that testimony you just heard, does that impact the alleged victim's credibility? >> it's irrelevant. utterly 100% irrelevant. if she said to the nurse and the entire world i lay down naked and i said have at me, it still doesn't give him permission to touch her at all. he's guilty. it doesn't matter what she said. it doesn't matter at all. and if i were the judge i wouldn't let her answer questions that are irrelevant because it's distracting, it's disrespe disrespectful, it's not the law. >> you know, wendy, also in a statement st. paul school, they said this, quote, current allegations about our culture are not emblematic of our school or values, our rules or the people that represent our student body, alumni, faculty, and staff. would love to get to that. i just hearing that jeb bush is
speaking, so former prosecutor wendy murphy we can't get to your reaction from that statement. straight to jeb bush and what he's saying now. >> pretty simple thing, shouldn't be this complex. it's political wedge issue. the left uses to win elections. and we ought to be the party that solves this problem so that we can get back to the business of creating high sustained economic growth. >> you've dealt with some issues of race and immigration in your own family. can you talk about your own personal experience with that and dealing with the fact that maybe your kids didn't look like all the other kids in your family? >> we were diverse country. we have -- that's the -- that's a virtue. that's a strength of our country. and i'm proud of the fact that my children have a mexican-american mom. as american is anybody else, loves this country as much or as much as anybody else. believes in the shared values of this great country. and my children are blessed to have that heritage. >> what led her to become an
american citizen? >> she wanted to vote for my dad and she loves this country. she wanted to share the experience with me and this is what family s do all the time. it's -- it shouldn't be such a novel thing. this is regular in the places i grew up and where i live now. this whole immigration debate is hurtful for a lot of people. really hurtful, noim not talking about my family here, i'm talking about in general when you just choose this tidal wave of accusations or bombastic talk. there are a lot of people who share the immigrant experience. when they hear this what they hear is you don't think i'm part of this, you they think i'm part of this country. i know that for a fact because i have hundreds of people that tell me that. i think we need to tone down the rhetoric a little bit, talk about solution, and get on with fixing things in this country and turn this into a driver for
success for our country rather than this defeatest attitude that we now have. >> using the term anchor baby yesterday on the radio. >> i don't. >> you don't regret it? >> no. do you have a better term? >> i'm asking you. >> you give me a better term and i'll use it. serious. >> governor. >> don't yell at me behind me ear though. >> sorry about that. >> the language anchor baby, is that not bombastic? >> ino, it isn't. give me another word. here's the deal, what i said was it commonly referred to that. that's what i said. i didn't use it as my own language. what we ought to do is -- you want to get to the policy for a second? i think that people born in this country ought to be american citizens. okay. now we got that over with. >> notice that your brother sent out an e-mail today on your behalf. >> yeah, he's for me. >> no surprise. you run around the country reminding us you're your own man. >> i am. >> now you're having him work for you?
>> yeah. is that a -- is that a contradiction? >> no. >> i've got my own record, i've got my own life experience, i'm blessed to have a brother that loves me and wants to help me. over and out. >> trailing trump here, also in iowa, nationally, and in your own state, in florida. he said last night your crowd was sleeping. how do you respond to that? narrative that your campaign lacks enthusiasm. >> you're repeating the echo of the narrative. so, look, if you went to the event you would have found that there was a lot of enthuse a am. and there's a big difference between donald trump and me. i'm a profit ven conservative with a record. he isn't. i cut taxes every year. he's proposed the largest tax increase in mankind's history, not just our own country's history. i've been consistently pro life. until recently he was for partial birth aborg. i've never met a person that actually thought that was a good idea. i believe we need to reform our health care system to make sure we stop the suppression of wages and allow people to have access
to insurance. he's for a single payer system. he actually advocates these things. he's been a democrat longer than being a republican. i have fought for republican and conservative causes all of my adult life. and i just think when people get this narrative, whatever the new term is, the compare and contrast narrative, then they're going to find that i'm going to be the guy that they're going to vote for. and it's a long haul, man. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am? >> did you hear about the south boston man who allegedly homeless man said his actions were inspired by trump's immigration comments? >> i doubt that that's -- that's horrible if it's the case. it would be horrible. but i think, look, there should be a little more focus on solving the problems and talking about ideas that matter rather than just kind of coming in like a tidal wave and saying things that are just outrageous and don't make sense. the immigration policies he has brought up aren't -- they're not conservative either. it's going to cost hundreds and
husband hundreds and billions of dollars. disrupt families. the idea that you have another country pay for the infrastructure for your own country is not going to happen. the idea that you're going to stop having people remit back to other countries is not going to happen. all of this stuff is to appeal to people's anger and their angst rather than have solutions to solve problems. at the end of the day the candidate that offers the most compelling solutions to the problems that we face and has the leadership skills, the proven leadership skills to do it is going to be the one that wins. so let's go talk about this two months from now, three months from now. i hope you all are still around. i think what you will find is that you will have forgotten what exists, you know, in august of whatever it is, 20th. >> governor, you -- >> clinton by 12 in florida. he's losing in florida. when people start realizing we need to win, i think it will look a lot better. >> all right. jeb bush, former governor of
florida, now presidential candidate. kasie hunt in the purple asking the question we went straight to that quick scrum right after a town hall, answering reporters' questions. she said, what about the use of the term anchor babies and then we saw the answer to say, look, i do support that those born in the united states are u.s. citizens trying to get to the answer there. also saying, what is then the term that should be used? all right. nbc political editor joins us from washington, d.c. so he had to answer that first. you could hear the fervor, everyone wanted to understand his use. he was clearly stating that, okay, what term should be used? >> that's right. he said that this was not an offensive statement. but it was surprising to see jeb bush use this term yesterday in a radio interview with a conservative radio host me brought up this wording which many latino activists say is an offensive way to describe the children of undocumented immigrants who are born when they're born in the united
states by the constitution, by the 14th amendment, be automatically granted citizensh citizenship. you could not have written a skric script for a conversation for establishment republicans two or three years ago did not want to be talking about this kind of issue. this is something we went through back in 2011 during that immigration debate then. and then again in 2012. the republican party has taken on this issue of immigration. donald trump has really pushed this conversation obviously to the right even for candidates like jeb bush or people who have been considered moderates on this issue. so -- and clearly donald trump has been rewarded in the polls on the republican primary side as he has continued to talk about this issue since he -- in fact, the very day that he announced his presidential candidacy, he's been talking about this issue. only been rewarded in the polls. >> the importance of language when talking about immigration, that crescendo we saw in the last cycle in puerto rico now perhaps hitting, well, we don't know it's a crescendo, right? we'll see what happens from that.
thank you so much. >> thank you. -- strange answer that i see the shows. and i actually think it's a very good answer, because you know, i'll see certain people that i like, i'll see certain people that don't like. and you know, i'm taking it to the next step. some of the people that i do like and do respect are actually coming up to the office over the next few weeks. >> donald trump earlier on "morning joe" today right here on msnbc. doubling down on comments he made on "meet the press" about how he forms his military and foreign policy saying he watches military analysts on tv and that he reads newspapers. now, in that interview trump specifically pointed out two people from whom he gets advice. >> somebody, is there ago to for you? >> probably there are two. >> every presidential candidate has ago to. >> probably two or three. i like bolten. i think he's a tough cookie. knows what he's talking about by jacobs. >> ambassador john bolten? >> yes. >> colonel jack jacobs. >> a good guy.
>> you mean colonel jack jacobs, the medal of honor recipient, msnbc military analyst, that's what he meant, i guess, colonel. >> i guess he meant i was a good guy. not everybody will agree with that. >> i think you're a great guy. tell me this, have you spoken to him, has he reached out to you? >> no, he hasn't. it's gratifying, however, to know that he watches msnbc. i'm thrilled that we have a few fans anyway. >> or nbc "nightly news" or the "today" show. >> arounnd, of course, he was o "meet the press." you know, i think he was -- i think he was trying to find some names that resonated with the -- on "meet the press" and he picked mine. >> he's picking yours. is that the way to -- and you being a military expert, military man, and analyst for us. alluding to people on tv in terms of where he's getting military advice, one has to put a question mark at the end of that. >> one does. we have to remember, also, this is the primary season. >> uh-huh. >> and the large majority of
people don't get their information in a coherent kind of way. i mean, they get it from places like telephones and so on. it's not -- it's early on. and people -- a lot of people get their information from television. >> got it. talk about information and therefore forming policy positions. trump hitting on a number of policy subjects last night in new hampshire. isis, iran, take a look at this. >> i think the whole iran deal is the dumbest deal that you can imagine. i think it's going to go down as one of the worst deals in the history of this country, maybe of the world. i didn't want to do iraq. it was a big mistake. it should never have happened. the way we got out was also a big mistake. we cannot let isis continue to do what they're doing. they don't stop. they don't stop. that's why we need tough people to negotiate with the chinese because they don't stop. >> so foreign policy here, colonel, he's talking about it in very accessible terms, it appears. is this the right way, is his
approach working? >> it's very complicated to deal with all of these people and they're not isolated. they're intertwined. i would say that the biggest national security problems we have right now are not the kinds of things you would think. they're not necessarily fighting individuals on the ground. economic problems, i think, are extremely important to our and our ally security right now. some of our biggest trading partners are starting to have some big economic problems and unless and until they can get fixed they're going to effect us. cyber security, the single biggest problem we have over a short period of time we better do something about that, too. >> all right. i want to be clear to folks out there. colonel jack jacobs does work for nbc news and msnbc but, colonel, if you were to take on the role of adviser to this presidential candidate, what's the one thing you would advise him on? >> i think a very strong secretary of state is required in order to coordinate the activities of our allies and to
deal with our enemies and potential enemies. without that, we're going to rely exclusively on the military of treatment in power and we already know, especially those feel who have studied it and been in combat, we already know the military power of alone is not sufficient to guarantee security. >> i'm going to switch subjects. the army ranger school is about to graduate two women. listen to this first. >> clearly these two soldiers are trail blazers. and after all, that's what it means to be a ranger, rangers lead the way. these recent graduates will be leaders of our army, of our force of the future, and like every ranger serving today, they will help lead the finest fighting force the world has ever known. >> all right, secretary of defence there ash carter moments ago. as you know here, colonel, even after they do graduate they will not become members of the 75th
ranger regiment. will this change? >> i think it will over time. i was at west point teaching in the 1973-1976. in '76 the first year that women first came to west point amid a great deal of consternation about what the affects it would have on the core cadet, officer corps. now they graduated with that first class, who sons and daughters are graduates of west point and now out in the army. it's a cultural shift, curl chur change. just a matter of time before it changes. >> you just started the first week at west point teaching. what's the talk between men and women there, your students about this very subject? >> a lot of people say it's something of an irony that the first thing that happens not that women went into combat units and then went to ranger school. the most difficult and demanding school in the army inventory, but actually first went to ranger school. now the question is, are they going to be able to get back -- take a step back and go into
units. women have been through airborne school and been in airborne units for a long, long time. i think it's just a matter of time for the infantry units. >> colonel jack jacobs, analyst for msnbc, not for donald trump. thank you so much today. >> you bet. as we've been talking about earlier in the show, donald trump has not shied away from his controversial comments on birthright citizenship but now other gop candidates seem to be joining a debate using language offensive. are gop candidates going too far by using the term anchor babies? looking at the scoreboard, the numbers show us that from all of the pollsters 84% say yes. too far. 16% saying no. keep on that conversation by logging on to pulse.msnbc.com. we'll have more of your responses later in the program. okay. developing right now. former president jimmy carter will begin radiation treatment for several melanoma spots on his brain just this afternoon. carter making the announcement at a news conference this morning in atlanta. he says he learned about it
after he had a mass removed from his liver earlier this month and described his initial reaction. >> we had an mri of my head and neck and it showed up that it was already in four places in my brain. so i would say that night and the next day until i came back up to emory, i just thought i had a few weeks left. but i was surprisingly at ease. but now i feel that this is in the hands of god whom i worship. and i'll be prepared for it when it comes. >> sarah dalloff is live in atlanta and david spiegel, director of the lung cancer research program. let's start with you here, sarah. he started his remarks with what some might say was a tone that was not as confident as he usually is. some perhaps more emotional. what was it like there as you watched this? >> what was so surprising,
richard, to hear how candid and open and honest the former president was. also that he was able to joke around and take -- be in such good spirits while talking about such a difficult experience that he's about to undergo, as you mentioned he begins his first radiation treatment later today here in atlanta at emory hospital. he will also be given a drug that helps stir up his auto immune system. he says he's hoping for the best but he is prepared for whatever comes. his grand son jason carter will be stepping into the role of chairman here at the carter center. they say that is a transition that was planned well before any cancer diagnosis. >> jason carter who was running for governor there in the state of georgia. dr. spiegel, you've been watching the comments being made by former president carter. he was saying he has four melanoma spots on his brain. but it started with his liver. how serious is this spread or might that spread be related to
his prognosis? >> yeah, good question. you know, we think obviously this would start from the scan and the liver was one spot where this spread too. it's interesting in his disclosure that he describes just the brain and the liver as an oncologist, i'm very encouraged by the fact that we're really dealing with two sites of disease but the public is wondering where else can this cancer be? our best tests can find cancer in places, we go after the places where we no it is. he described having a mass removed in the liver. that sounds like that was very successful. now hopefully those four minute spots will thor rad date with radiation therapy. >> when looking at his age, a concern here? >> it's always a concern because, you know, even though a 90-year-old person can be younger in terms of all their activity and we know president carter is certainly can run laps around people much younger than him, we still know the organs in the body can be older. the drug he's going to be
receiving, a drug to boost his immune system, the key study that used that drug and compared it to standard therapy included patients as old as 89. a good example of how the therapies can be used in elderly patients. >> sarah, president carter and his wife very close as we see here. here's what he said about what he was most proud of in his life. >> the best thing i ever did was marrying rosalyn. that's the pinnacle of my life. and we've had 69 years together, still together. and so that's the best thing that happened to me. >> and so how is rosalyn dealing with this, sarah? >> it's a great question, richard. she reportedly took the initial news harder than the former president, but you saw her there at the press conference today sitting in the front row listening to her husband's speak. she appeared to be in good spirits. as for the rest of the family they say they are grateful they
know they have a little bit more time with mr. carter. his grandson jason carter is reminding people today was not a eulogy. that his grandfather plans to follow whatever course of action his doctors rec men and he plans to stay as active as possible while doing so. for example, he is scheduled to teach sunday school this coming weekend at his hometown church. he's also hoping that he might still be able to go on a planned humanitarian trip to nepal, richard, although his treatment might interfere with that. >> thank you both. up next, fallout from that release of a massive list of users from the cheating website ashley madison. government employee, executives, even staffers at the vatican. she'll log in with her smile. he'll have his very own personal assistant. and this guy won't just surf the web. he'll touch it. scribble on it. and share it. because these kids will grow up with windows 10.
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nbc's tom costello has more. >> richard, you know, we need to mention up front here there's a very big caveat, we don't know how many of the e-mail addresses are legitimate. it's entirely possible that ashley madison customers used somebody else's e-mail address when signing up for the service and some e-mail addresses are very obviously fake because ashley madison did not verify all the addresses. but as you might expect, millions of marriages and reputations could be very much at stake today. 37 million, that's how many e-mail addresses hacker mace have released that allegedly belong to ashley madison customers. the website that encourages customers to cheat on a spouse. >> life is short. have an affair. >> in an online statement the hackers calling themselves the impact team write, find yourself in here? it was avid life media, ashley madison's part company that failed you and lied to you. learn your less slon and make a
mends. embarrassing now but you will get over it. >> help me find a discrete lover. i like to please the one i'm with. >> reporter: wire.com's kim zetter has gone through the massive data dump including customer profiles and soon anyone could be able to search through it. >> a lot of people have downloaded it. you can probably imagine that in the next couple of days someone is going to create a searchable website for this data. >> reporter: perhaps most surprisingly 15,000 addresses allegedly belonging to military or government employees, including domains like.mil, schools like nyc.gov, state.gov, house.gov, senate.gov. though many are obviously fake including presiden president @whitehouse.gov. white house e-mails use a different domain name, eop.gov. other leaked addresses appear to include corporate executive, vatican staff, members of the u.n. and british government. a member of parliament says her
address was stolen and used without her knowledge. online a lot of angry reaction. i hope everyone gets what's coming to them, wrote one. but also this, cheating is wrong, but also hacking personal information is wrong. already some have asked cyber security pros for help. >> i've had people actually confess to me that they have, you know, these various, well, fetishes, i guess, and that the concern their information is going to be found and that in some cases maybe even their spouse will find out about it. >> the hackers claim their mission is to shame ashley madison and customers. in a statement they say, we will not sit addressly by and allow these thieves to force their personal ideology of citizens around world. we are continuing to fully cooperate with law enforcement to seek to hold the guilty parties accountable to the strictest measures of the law. the company has said in the past it thinks somebody who has prior connection to the company is behind this. but the data was dumped on a
part of the internet called the dark web. it is ripe with criminal activity like child porn and drugs and stolen credit cards. it's difficult to police because the browsing activity is anonymous. it's masked, making it very difficult to for police to trace. richard, back to you. >> thank you again for that. nbc's tom costello. straight ahead. first it was the naacp leader accuse of misleading people about the color of her skin. now, another civil rights activist is under fire over his identity. we'll have the details, up next. why do so many people choose aleve? it's the brand more doctors recommend for minor arthritis pain. plus, just two aleve can last all day. you'd need 6 tylenol arthritis to do that. aleve. all day strong.
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but there's a report that both of king's parents are white prompting comparisons to rachel dolezal. she was accused of misleading people about her race. quote, every single person who knows me beyond twitter, beyond trending topics, knows i have never lied about my race. joining me now, joy reed. you talked to shaun king. how is he explaining the accusations about who he is? >> first of all, we need to set the stage here. the three right wing blogs that went after shaun king should be familiar to many people because of of a simple name. shirley shah rod. more they take it too seriously, they are stoking racial resentment for their audience, it's what they do.
you should remember what happened to shirley. this is a similar situation. shaun king is a very prominent member of the black lives matter movement. he has been among those announcing an initiative focused on policing. that is what i would say in setting this up. he has become a target because of black lives matter and specifically because of what those organizations and those activists have been doing around policing. that said, i did talk to shaun. i can tell you that shaun king is biracial. the stories about what he said regarding getting his scholarship et cetera, i think you have to consider the source. i don't think they're credible absent any actual reporting. the two people listed on his birth certificate, his mother is his biological mother. the man listed on his birth certificate is not his biological father. i think getting into further details unfurther drags his
mother into a story, which she is not a public figure. this is a private story between his mom, dad, and the person who is his biological father. >> you're talking about members of his family, his parents. let's talk about his wife and how she has now been drawn into this. she tweeted in response to the discussion so far, facebook post, there is nothing fake about shaun king. he's no rachel dolezal. what's white about him is white, and what's black about him is black. there's no spray tan. no fake black hair styles. no attempt to make himself appear anymore ethnic than he already does, unquote. how unfair is it that this comparison is being made? >> completely. you had a woman that was white who decided to assume the clothing of blarkness because
she had affinity with black culture. in the case of shaun king, he grew up in a white family in a small town in kentucky and grew up in a family that was white and that his -- had to struggle with both the meaning of his own family story and his own identity. he's an activist, it makes him a target. it does not make him a target. >> thank you. always a joy. joy reed, appreciate it. >> thank you. the term anchor baby is offenses sieve. >> no. if there's another term i come up with, i'm happy to hear it. >> jeb bush earlier this hour taking on the controversy over the term "anchor baby." more on that straight ahead. and the latest polling. keep wwa weighing in on pulse.c.
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plus, yeah, it's a trump trump world. you know that. the donald upstaging jeb in new hampshire. >> bush had i heard 140 people. we have 2,579 people. >> i have never seen anything in politics like it in my life. >> i love these rowdy crowds. isn't it great? >> it's like the beetles are coming to town. >> i'm not going anywhere folks. >> the republican establishment going from saying he sucks, he's a joke, he's a clown, to now it's he's dangerous. >> and now trump moving in alabama event to a stadium. can anything slow trump force one? also ahead, former president jimmy carter speaking publicly for the first time since his cancer diagnosis revealing it has spread to his brain now. >> i feel it's in the hands of
god. i'll be prepared for anything that comes. >> and prep school rain trial. an emotional day in the courtroom as the offense questions the accuser on the stand. good afternoon to you first. we begin this hour with florida governor jeb bush under fire in the granite state. this was bush moments ago in new hampshire as donald trump sets the tone on the fight over immigration using words many would consider offensive. jeb bush faced off with the reporters on his own use of the term "anchor babies". >> no, i didn't. >> is that -- >> i don't regret it. do you have a better term? >> i'm not -- i'm asking you. >> you give me a better term and i'll use it. i'm serious. >> governor -- >> don't yell at me behind my ear, though. >> is that not bombastic
language? >> no, it isn't. that's a seven -- >> a hard knock question. >> what i said was, it's commonly referred to that. i didn't use it as my own language. >> joining me from new hampshire, former republican senator judd greg. thanks for being here. you heard the back and forth about this term. jeb bush using that term in a radio interview. that's where all those questions were coming from. after donald trump used this repeatedly and you heard it again on radio being used by jeb bush, what's your opinion? is that term being used by the presidential candidates, anchor baby, is that offensive? >> i don't know. but i think the issue is the policy. the policy is the question. donald trump says that we should have these children not be citizens as the constitution gives them the citizenship.
and jeb bush says they should be citizens under the terms of the continue substitution. i happen to think jeb's right on that. >> as you watch this presidential candidate jeb bush under pressure from other candidates, donald trump clearly one of them. donald trump defining the republican party position it seems on immigration. how is jeb bush doing? what might he do better or different? >> first of all, he's not detyping the republican party on immigration. he's setting out his policy. we're in a debate on a lot of different issues. donald trump's engaging on all of them. i respect that. i think it's good for our party that donald trump's out there. he's bringing a lot of new people into this discussion. people who would not have been engaged in the party process, primary process or the republican party. he's broadening the discussion. that's a big plus.
go ahead. >> you know, senator, as he is doing that, though, and he's broadening the party, he's also defining the messaging. when we hear terms like anchor baby being used and his policies on the border, some would say he is defining or at least defining the way that immigration is being discussed and therefore those out there are saying, this is the way the republican party thinks about it. >> no, i don't think so. i don't think you can say his thoughts are the party thoughts. because there is no party thought right now because there is no nominee of the party to reflect those thoughts. you have marco rubio who's been substantive, thoughtful and clearly a long distance from where trump's positions are. same with jeb bush. john kasich again. basically you have a bunch of candidates discussing this. trump brings a lot of people who would not be paying attention to
the process into the discussion. >> so on morning josing he can't believe it. he's never seen something like this before. it seems like a roller coaster ride that has no end to it here. will it then lead to donald trump winning new hampshire, you think? >> you know, the one thing predictable about new hampshire is it's totally unpredictable. another thing you can say with absolute certainty is that very few people going to the polls february 9th have made up their minds. and they make up their minds very late. there's a lot of water that's going to go under the bridge here. obviously donald trump is a significant player in this undertaking. his opinions are having an affect. there are a lot of other strong, substantive people. they're going to vote for somebody who they think can win, is substantive, and knows how to governor. >> thanks for stopping by.
>> thank you. >> all right. we're asking you in our bing question of the day this, are gop candidates going too far by using the term "anchor baby." 85% saying yes, too far. that's just about the same as last hour, up one point. 15% saying no. join this discussion by heading to pulse.msnbc.com. we've got another update on your votes later this hour. donald trump is even talking about says he's not going anywhere, except maybe to the largest crowd yet for any presidential candidate after wowing them on stage in new hampshire at two separate events, not to mention sitting for two different interviews along the way, trump now headed to mobile, alabama. they're are expecting at least 20,000 and perhaps double that, 40,000 at the site of college football senior bowl this friday. for anyone who missed his warmup
performs in new hampshire, he's a bit. >> have i gotten under jeb bush's skin, i don't know. you know what's happening to jeb's crowd right down the street? they're sleeping. mitt romney let us down. he should have won that election. he failed. there's a very big question as to the anchor babies. it's going to be a real wall, not a toy wall like we have right now. maybe some day they're going to call it the trump wall. >> trump is also on the cover of this week's "time" magazine. joining me from washington, zeke miller. he's pictured with an american bald eagle in that issue as well. you have got to ask here, how do you get these two to work together? >> well, you know, one of the things we always try to do with photos in the magazine is to get the subject of the photograph a
little out of their comfort zone. our photographer suggested maybe we bring in a bald eagle. and we did. what was amazing actually, and he wrote this for time.com, there's a -- the donald trump that you see with the eagle, without the eagle. it's the same guy. he's unflappable, so to speak, pun intended there. he's on message regardless of what anyone throws at him. >> when you look at this, what does he -- what does this tell you about where the campaign is going? >> well, certainly, you know, one of the themes of the piece is that he is -- that -- what everyone has to deal with is donald trump has now taken really the rules of politics from don't wear funny hats to don't pose with predator animals and thrown them out the window. he will say whatever he wants, he'll take any insult and throw it back ten times as hard as he took it. that's what he says. that's the rules of trump.
and every time somebody attacks him, he gets stronger. right now, there's no looking at the field looking at the past month and a half, it doesn't seem that that pattern is going to change any time soon. >> sort of like political jujitsu here. i want to play a little bit of an interview he had had with the magazine. let's take a listen. >> the views that you will see during those ten and 15-minute segments or during reading a story are not a lot different than jeb sitting around with a policy group, if he really has such a thing. you know, it sounds good. >> so he's going at bush at the moment. is he worried about bush? >> he -- he's -- he says he's not worried about anyone. that's what he told us the other day. we followed up on chuck todd's question from "meet the press" on sunday when donald trump said he got his military advice from watching the shows.
he said my time is valuable. that sort of gets at who donald trump is in privet in public. he's going to be whoever he is and say whatever he wants. nothing else is going to change him. >> all right. the issue of "time" out right now. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. at this hour, as we watch an update underway from washington governor on the wildfire that killed three firefighters less than 24 hours ago. let's take a listen. >> we in the state of washington thank them who have come from all across the country. i met firefighters from michigan, colorado, from the department of natural resources. we have 400 national guards troops and our forest service personnel who have this deep wound in their family. chief, i'm glad you're here today. we will stand with you and your family in the days to come. i do want to say that this is an
unprecedented thing in our state. there are 390,000 acres burning. last year was bad with 250,000 acres. we have 26 aerial equipment fighting this fire. over 3,000 people. we are mustering all of the resources that can be safely deployed to fight these fires. what all of us can do at citizens are to try to cooperate with law enforcement and fire personnel. it's very important now. these are extremely dangerous fires and we know we have wind conditions today that give us pause. so i want to thank everyone who's standing by these families in the days to come. we know these will be hard. and we thank everyone who are doing everything they can to make sure the evergreen state does not become an ever fire state. we have a lot of work to do.
i want to thank chief tidwell who will now address us. >> governor, thank you. i'm tom tidwell, chief of the u.s. forest service. we have over 100 uncontained large fires across 15 states. 26,000 people out there working. it's an incredible response from not only the federal agencies but our state partners, our counties, and local fire. together, we're having tremendous success. in addition to that, we keep the adequate resources available for initial attack to make sure we're doing everything we can to avoid another large fire. that's the 98% of the fires we take care of day in and day out that you don't report on those. i understand that. but it's important for folks to
really know the work that's going on. in addition to the resources we have out now, we're bringing on some additional folks from the department of defense that hopefully will be available by this weekend. we're also reaching out to partners in canada and bringing overhead positions in from australia that we've worked with in the past to provide relief for the crews out there right now. as was demonstrated earlier from the report on these fires here, the teams are doing an excellent job to prioritize where we can be effective with resources, sharing those resources, especially aviation assets that we have available here. the large air tankers, water scoopers, especially our large helicopters. i appreciate the governor's remarks about our lost firefighters and definitely our thoughts and prayers are with their families, with their friends as we move forward.
and also for both the dnr employees injured and along with our forest service employee that's currently fighting for his life. so i know you have a lot of questions about that. and i just need to ask you to give us a little bit of time. we're in the process of making sure the families have completed all their notifications so that the family, hear it from them first. after that's been completed, we'll be able to share with you some additional information. as to what actually happened that night, we bring in a team of experts working closely with washington state dnr to be able to do our review to determine just what happened, determine what we can learn from that situation. once again, this is going to take a little while to be able to pull this information together. so once again, i ask you for your patience. with that and as information does become available, we will share that. that being said --
>> as you heard, they work long hours. they're the first on the line. sometimes they're dropped by helicopters or other aircraft behind the line, firefighters. as we hear in the news briefing, the emotion behind the loss there of the three firefighters killed. leanne greg is there. as has been said just now, wait to notify the families. what more do we know about those who lost their lives? >> reporter: you know, we really don't know very much at all as they're waiting to do that. we know that they were u.s. forest service firefighters. we know that the man in critical condition with severe burns is a 25-year-old man who is from this state. and really that's about it right now. we're hoping to get more information on that in the coming days. in addition, many of these people i'm sure were friends with those guys. it must be very difficult for
them today. they're very professional. went right back to work and the mood extremely somber. it's also an especially critical day again. this is sort of a three-day wind event. yesterday, they said it was epic. today will be even worse with the winds whipping up even earlier. they had about a four-hour window where they're hoping to make progress today. the aerial assault is also underway. once those winds begin they will continue to strengthen throughout the afternoon and tonight is a volatile time for these wind-swept fires that caused the problems yesterday. the winds shifted and turned back on the firefighters who lost their lives. again, a concern tonight. structures, many of them threatened. and they're going to work as long as they can and as long as it is safe. >> leanne greg, thank you for that reporting there.
just into us, 11:17 local time there by the way. 993 personnel on the ground there. so many people of course hearts with them as they do this important work. we're following news also out of atlanta where former president jimmy carter announcing that he will begin radiation treatment today for several melanoma spots found on his brain. he learned about it early ner this month. >> i have been as blessed as any human being in the world with having become the president of the united states of america and governor of georgia and work at the carter center, big and growing family, and thousands of friends. and living until -- i'll be 91 years old fist of october. so everything's been a blessing for me. so i'm thankful and hopeful. >> joining me here in studio, a
professor of history and public affairs at princeton university. also wrote a book on former president carter. there it is. professor, he walked in with zest. he continued through his comments of some 37 minutes with zest and he finished it smiling and with zest. he doesn't seem to have lost a step at all despite having to express this disease he has to deal with. >> not at all. it was classic carter. very appreciative of what he has and has done. and he still looks forward to the next stage if and though it's going to be a huge challenge which he calls the new adventure. >> what did he say today that we don't know? you've spoken with him before. what might have he been expressing? >> well, he expressed very clearly that the most personally gratifying part of his life in
his career was the period after the presidency and not the presidency itself. hearing him say it i think was very important. he also mentioned a helicopter during the iran hostage rescue, wishing he had sent one more. he said if he had, he would have been reelected. >> i have been on several trips with him to his habitat build. in my interviews with him, he never skips a beat. at the beginning of his press conference, there's a little bit waivering of his voice. that's to go out and build homes all around the world. does that give you a sense that the iron man, if you will, sees a little bit of a chink in his armor now. >> the carter center has been his life and passion. for years people have been telling him to draw-down his
work, and he hasn't. this is in some ways the most vigorous part of his post-presidency stays. >> i want to reflect on what you heard today. i'll play that right now. >> habitat has expanded greatly. the need for affordable housing not financed by governments is still just as great as it was 30 years ago. and i hope that in the future, our government will come together and they can agree on something. hopefully one of those things on which they do agree will be to provide more homes for people who are really in need. >> part of an interview i had with him couple years back on one of those builds. if you can put that into context for us, what he will mean for humanitarian causes and the way he's approached his political career equally? >> yeah, look, he believed fundamentally that part of the role of government often through
encouraging voluntary action was to help the disadvantaged whether that was in central america or whether that was here in the united states. he brought that humanitarianism into perspective of politics. he believed in human rights all around the world and here in the united states. i think that's what that little segment reflected. he didn't want direct financing of the program which is also very much jimmy carter. >> rose lynn carter is what has brought him the strength throughout the years. those were his first words. >> it's an incredible partnership and marriage. she in some ways is more shaken and devastated than he has been. >> heartbreaking certainly when you think about that. thank you so much for that, for giving us background on that strength that president carter still has. >> david sweat goes before a judge, the judge for the first time since a brazen prison
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biden may have gotten what it needs to sway the vice president into jumping into the race. shows him doing better than hillary clinton when matched with donald trump in florida, pennsylvania, and ohio. this comes as a top strategist for president obama has signed onto join the biden organization. joining us, erin mcpike. draft biden did put a statement responding to those numbers saying, the vice president's strength in these polls shows there is a desire to have him on the stage for the democratic debate in october. >> i think there certainly is an argument for joe biden to run. i do think, though, that one strategist and a florida-based
strategist, so just one state, the strategist joining this draft biden effort isn't conclusive at all. if ten strategists were to join to the draft biden event right now i think that would be bigger news. i've talked to lots of people who think that maybe he probably will. then you talk to just as many people within the administration who think that he's not going to. the answer is, he doesn't know himself yet and he's making the calls and trying to determine for himself if it's something worth doing. i think those poll numbers are certainly an argument to do it because there may be a hupger for something like him in the race. >> is it just because he is newer and that hillary clinton is not as new as she used to be? >> well, they both ran in 2008 as you know. here's what i would say about all of this. we heard from a number of democrats who were saying, we don't think it would be the greatest idea in the world for
joe biden to run. i don't think that's true at all. if you think about 2008, barack obama had to defeat hillary clinton going through all of the primaries first. and beating her made him a much better candidate in the general election. right now hillary clinton is running a rose garden strategy. she is not taking bernie sanders seriously. although there are democrats who will tell you joe biden is not a great candidate, that he can't stay on message, he still is the vice president of the united states and has been so for two terms and probably a better candidate today than he was in 2007 and 2008. if hillary clinton has to go through a bunch of primaries against him and then beat him and as opposed to limping into the general election, she has a victory over somebody serious, that could be a very good thing for her campaign and candidacy going forward. >> so we have the e-mail controversy which theoretically might be part of what you just
said, that he's a stronger candidate today, literally perhaps today. what would make him a stronger candidate today? >> what would make him a stronger candidate against her or -- >> yes, right. >> look, joe biden certainly does not have the history of scandal that hillary clinton has. and people don't trust her. that is what the polls are showing, that over the last five months or so, she's actually lost trustworthiness with voters. that's a problem. joe biden has obviously gained a lot of trust and people really do like joe biden. he has had a couple of issues in his past, but nothing throughout his vice presidency. and i do think that he would certainly challenge her on a number of issues. it would be interesting for those two to debate about some of the foreign policy challenges that they worked on together. >> thank you for all of that.
straight to breaking news here on msnbc, new information on hillary clinton's private server and e-mails. we were just talking about there. let's go to nbc news justice correspond pete williams on the phone with us right now. pete, what are you learning? >> i'm at the federal courthouse in washington where there's been a wrinkle in this controversy. a judge has ordered the state department to seek information from the fbi in its investigation of the clinton e-mail server and thumb drives. this is a side issue in the e-mail controversy. this involves a freedom of information act request for information or documents about the government's contract that allowed a top clinton aide to do outside consulting work while she was at the state department. the judge has today directed the state department to notify the fbi that it has to tell the state department if fbi investigates find anything on the clinton e-mail server or the
thumb drives that relate to the work arrangement. the state department has told judicial watch, the legal watchdog group that wants this information and filed the freedom of information act request, that it has searched all the paper copies, the 55,000 pages turned over by former secretary clinton and found nothing. now the judge says, though, that the state department needs to know whether the fbi finds anything that wasn't in those pages that was on the server or the thumb drive. so it's not about the classification issue which has been the big issue involving the e-mails. nonetheless it is a wrinkle in the case because now the judge is telling state it has to ask the fbi how it's doing. >> pete williams with the very latest breaking news there on the e-mail controversy. a separate issue as you were describing related to the
original concerns. presidential candidate senator rand paul may call donald trump irrational. the fact is trump's momentum continues to bulldoze the rest of the republican field. that's is why he would leave the campaign trail to go on a mission. a bit off the beaten path. joining us now in washington is nbc news senior white house correspondent. senator paul on a mission trip to haiti. tell us about that. >> reporter: well, this is the second time he has done it with this group. he is an eye surgeon. he goes there and does pro bono eye surgery on the poor. last year, he was on the cover of "time" magazine as the most interesting application. this year on the cover of "time" magazine today is donald trump. that really is what presents a problem. they're kind of getting whiplash going from what they said a couple weeks ago, wait it out,
that people would get over donald trump. to they have to deal with the fact that he really is the one challenging each and every one of their campaigns. it's not what you'd expect in the middle of a highly competitive republican primary race, rand paul performing eye surgery in haiti while his presidential campaign is on life support. >> anybody can run for president. only a few people can come to haiti and do surgery. >> reporter: fund raising has been lackluster and the leggest obstacle of all, donald trump. >> rand paul, you have to understand, is a disaster in the polls. >> reporter: trump's taken the anti-washington mantle from at least five candidates. no one dougts great work is being done here. but some strategists question whether rand paul should be so far away from home at a time
when his campaign is in trouble. not that being nearby has helped trump's opponents either. >> how do you outtrump trump? >> how do you out-trump the irrational. >> reporter: trump is calling for an end to automatic citizenship for children born to immigrants. >> i would try to control the border. if you have an open border, you can't have birthright citizenship. >> garry flew rand paul here, but hasn't yet written a check to any republican. >> this is where trump is wrong. where trump is going to create his own downfall. his conclusion is stupid. how many times did he say the word stupid in the debate. >> reporter: time will tell if rand is wisely waiting out donald trump or naively
confident trump will fail. >> there are countries that do succumb to celebrity. >> reporter: we see trump's hand at work. turns out he donated to the eye center helping make rand paul's trip here possible. well, you can call what donald trump is doing celebrity or personality. the fact is he's now driving policy, at least the policy debate again on immigration now. that's the big story for today. and for folks up against him, the question is how to break out and nobody's quite figured it out yet. >> thank you, chris. now to breaking news on the wildfires we've been watching for you in the west. washington governor holding a news conference hoemts ago about three firefighters who were killed. take a listen. >> forest service personnel who have this deep wound in their family. chief, i want you to know, i know these are going to be tough
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website in his statement. joining me from los angeles, ken baker. he's out here with a statement. some might ask why does he need to do this and what might be the motivation to come out and say, okay, yes, i did do this. >> it hasn't been a good year for josh duggar. he was exposed in a report to have told police that he admitted to molesting five minors back when he was a teenager. he's married. he's a father of four and was working in washington d.c. up until very recently as a conservative activist and has definitely been a polarizing figure because of that position he's taken particularly with public statements about gays, lesbians, the whole lgbt community. people are sort of using this as an opportunity to say, look, you are a hypocrite and for him to make the statement he's essentially agreeing with them. i don't know what his
motivations were, why he had to address it. i think he certainly felt as though perhaps he had an obligation to particularly in light of what happened earlier this year, this is certainly just another bit of bad news for him after some really bad news earlier. >> he did not mention the ashley madison leak. what might happen to others that were allegedly named in this list that might have done what that ashley madison list is saying they have done, what it might mean for the entire story as we see duggar coming out? >> everyone in the media has been cautious about this, at least in the responsible media. we learned that you can use someone's name or e-mail address, even if it's not your own. if you look at the details of this particular instance, there were credit card statements, his personal address, things that really did link him than someone
just randomly typing in a name. we saw tony blair, a fake was used to fine up for that. i think we haven't directly linked this. but certainly by him putting out this statement, it is in a way indirectly acknowledging that it is true. at least that's an assumption that you would logically make. >> thanks for joining us, ken. the fbi now investigating the hack of ashley madison.com as we were talking about. as many as 37 million e-mail addresses have been released. among them, more than 15,000 addresses belong to the u.s. government and military personnel. joining me now is msnbc national correspondent with a look at how vulnerable we are in hacking in our everyday lives. >> it is driving that home. it's driving home a whole variety of issues and ethical questions about digital dating. one of the big issues it's raising, just how accessible
even the most personal of information can be online. in 2014, 47% of american adults had some kind of personal information stolen by hackers. a lot of that happened through these kinds of big data breaches. there are a whole variety of vulnerabilities that hackers can and do target. so i turned to a hacker to take me inside what's at stake. >> that's crazy, some lady's voice. >> i'm the ethical hacker and i specialize on breaking into systems to show how they're vulnerable. >> hollywood, home to a steady stream of tourists who can be a little too trusting of their technology. >> it's about cybersecurity. >> most people are very vulnerable and don't know it. >> it allows me to change the number that you see is calling you. >> the mother's calling.
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>> this is interesting. a log-in for the white house movie theater. >> yeah. we finally got the document from the white house opening here. and your name is in here. there you are. there's some other information. >> there you go. i've left a paper trail. >> exactly. all kinds of things. >> but the hacking business is really booming in the deep web, the parts that aren't indexed by search engines like google. you get there through a network of servers. >> it's an anonmiezing network around the world. >> are you coming from sweden based on the ads there? >> yes. that's what it looks like. >> cocaine, classic cocaine. >> user name, passwords, accounts into paypal, banks. >> all up for grabs? >> yeah. >> he says the ways to protect yourself are pretty much what you'd expect. use more complicated passwords.
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polling. now donald trump is achieving the most glaring sign that his campaign is rattling republicans. he is drawing attacks from jeb bush today. >> there's a big difference between donald trump and me. i'm a proven conservative with a record. he isn't. i cut taxes every year. he's proposed the largest tax increase in mankind's history. i've been consistently pro-life. he until recently was partial birth abortion. i never met a person that actually thought that that was a good idea. i believe we need to reform our health care system to stop the suppression of wages and allow people to have access to insurance. he's for a single payer system. >> that's a new jeb bush there. for his part, trump took his own shots last night at bush's crowds during those dualing town hall events in new hampshire. >> you know what's happening to