tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC August 25, 2015 7:00pm-8:01pm PDT
over the labor day weekend. now there's new news from the "new york times" today about the national democratic party meeting which is happening this week. all five candidates set to address that meeting on friday. lincoln chafee, jim webb, bernie sanders and hillary clinton speaking on friday. vice president biden declined an invitation to address the meeting. they called for the vice president and five dnc members on the iran deal. two said they couldn't remember a conference call with mr. bide on the foreign policy issue before. i have been a skeptic from the beginning that joe biden is going to run, but something is going on here and it cannot remain a mystery much longer. that does it for us. time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> i have been the opposite of a skeptic of joe biden running all
along but never been able to figure out how he does it. how he gets in to this but they are close. >> that hail mary move about the way he gets in might be the way. >> might be the way. >> thanks. well, donald trump continues to find new, unpredictable ways to harm the republican party. >> this was the summer of trump. how good is that for my ego? >> maybe donald trump needs attention. >> when people treat me unfairly, i don't let them for 0 get it. >> starts tweeted against megyn kelly unwarranted. >> retweeted a comment where someone called her a bill bow. >> i retweet for a reason. >> fox chief roger ailes demands trump to apologize. >> she should probably apologize to me but i don't care. fox treats me terribly. >> quite a show. he had the fight from univision. >> he started to scream and i didn't escort him out. >> the had a contentious
exchange. >> how much am i suing univision right now? you are part of the lawsuit. >> it is like telling somebody to go back to mexico. >> people are shocked at how smart i am. >> he likes combative exchanges. >> what does it all matter? >> well, a typical day for the donald trump campaign. donald trump began the day in a renewed feud with fox news moderator megyn kelly and ended the day by having jorge ramos thrown out of his press conference. >> who's next? yeah, please. >> excuse me, sit down. you weren't called. sit down. sit down. sit down. go ahead. >> no, you don't. you haven't been called. go back to univision. go ahead. >> you can not deport 11 million people -- go ahead.
sit down, please. you weren't called. [ inaudible ] yes, go ahead. hi. yes. >> joining us now is jason hunt, msnbc political correspondent who was at that press conference. kasie, what was it like in the room as jorge ramos was escorted out? >> it was definitely a tense moment. i think the sense was that this is a journalist who's the anchor of one of the largest, if not often the largest spanish language broadcast every night. he's well known in the hispanic and latino communities in the u.s. he's somebody who has interviewed the president and asked him tough questions, frankly. to have him escorted out caused
an awkward moment. although i will say the press conference continued to go on. there were a couple of follow up questions about ramos and ultimately said if he comes back i'd be happy to take his question and half way through he came back and sat down in the front row and eventually did take the back and forth with trump. did get a chance to ask his question. an interesting mea culpa in some ways from donald trump who rarely backs down, as you know, from anything. >> it was interesting as hooray was escorted out the next person got called on just went on with whatever his planned question was about fox news, completely ignoring what happened. some disgraceful moments for some reporters in there who ignored what happened. but you and others asked trump about what he had done with jorge ramos. i think we have your question ready to go. let's listen to that.
[ inaudible ] >> because he was out of order. i would take his question in two with seconds, but he stood up and started screaming. >> would you let him back in? >> i told you if he wanted to come back in i'd love to. you can't just stand up and scream. i was saying to somebody else -- i was saying yes and this guy stands up and starts screaming. he's an emotional person. so i have no problem with it. i don't know him. i have no idea. i would certainly love to have questions from him. >> kasie, as we watched it, correct me if i am wrong if we are getting the wrong picture. it seemed whoever that was to approach hooray ramos to shut him down or get him out of there. >> it seemed that since he said go back to univision he knew ramos was from univision. one caveat i will say is trump
has been calling on reporters in his press conferences. he had not called on ramos. he was trying to call on others. so that protocol followed. other times it isn't. in many press conferences it is a matter of shouting louder than others and to be thrown out for doing that is a remarkable thing. >> he was up there on stage alone with no one to tell him what to do next. it was his own choice to, as you say, offer an olive branch and say, okay, perfectly okay to allow him in. that word got to the trump bodyguards and jorge ramos was allowed back in. let's look at how it went when jorge got his second chance with donald trump. >> go ahead. >> -- >> i think so, because i'm going to bring jobs back.
[ inaudible ] how much am i suing univision for right now? do you know the number? no, tell me. tell me. do you know the number. you are part of the lawsuit. how much am i suing univision for. >> i'm not a reporter. >> 500 million. >> i'm not a reporter. >> they are concerned about it. i have to tell you. i'm good at this thing. >> joining us a few people not sued by donald trump yet. sikh miller reporter for time and maria -- host of "changing america on shift" by msnbc. i want to get your reaction to what happened to jorge ramos in that press conference. >> i have to say the american public and the press should be outraged. basically what happened is that in our country where there's free press an american journalist was escorted out because a candidate did not like what he was asked.
that is not presidential and going against our creed that we have. the understanding we have between journalists and free press. the fact that people keep saying he was told to go back to univision, more importantly, fundamentally it is recognition that american in the mainstream market don't understand the majority of latinos are american. 64% of 54 million latinos born in the united states are born in the united states. we didn't come here yesterday. the fact there is no more outrage and people are not up in arms. first for the latino reporter, who's next? that is unacceptable. >> jorge ramos made a lot of policy points. one thing they got hung up on is the polling question how donald trump is polling in the latino community. jorge ramos' numbers are overwhelmingly negative for donald trump. certainly by inference down the road for the republican party going in to this election for the presidency.
>> yeah. trump today spread negative 51 in terms of favorability with latinos. i would have thought it would have been bigger, maybe 80 or 90%. which means he's actually resonating with a small set of hispanic voters. it is a problem for the republican party a huge problem. this is part of the republican base, that the republican leadership in washington has been trying to suppress that donald trump has activated. meaning the folks knavists and anti-immigrant and that's a huge problem going forward in the general election which latinos maybe motivated to vote for a democrat. >> is it time for the trump press corps to have a meeting and decide how to handle the next time a reporter gets kicked out of a press conference? >> unlike the white house, there's no formal campaign correspondents association.
it is usually the folks on the ground. you are dealing with local reporters, as much as national reporters. it is harder to be organized. it is commendable from the reporters like kasie and other reporters who questioned donald trump why he expelled ramos from the room. that was his personal bodyguard removing jorge ramos from the room. he later said i don't know who that security is, that is his personal bodyguard that we see on the trail every day when we see donald trump. that's the kind of thing from reporters when they stand up for each other. that's how we should be standing up for ourselves together. >> i want to complete this drama with jorge ramos where are donald trump at the end changes the tone of it completely and tries to reach out in a friendly way and indicate to jorge ramos they will have some kind of friendly interaction in the future. let's listen to how it ended.
>> did you see it? did you see it? okay. he's an honest guy. now i like him. you and i will talk. we're going to be talking a lot over the years. we will. we will. >> kasie hunt, that's the donald trump who just doesn't want leave a room without everyone liking him. he just couldn't leave the jorge ramos situation where it was. >> it is also the donald trump, lawrence, who likes to be in the thick of all of this. if you listen to the names of -- i listened to his speech after the press conference that we have been talking about, the number of media figures' names he dropped over the course of his speech, lawrence lorn michaels at "snl," he is focused on how the new york especially and now the political media cover him, interact with him. he wants to be something who's seen as a player, as seen as making a difference of being involved. to a certain extent, that
requires courting people. he has relationships. he has personal private conversations with a lot of top media news figures. i think that's something that plays a huge role in how he's covered, discussed and treated. >> maria teresa, he has mentioned no one in the speech more than ann coulter who was in the audience and she has been really great at picking losing republican presidential candidates. >> i hope her streak continues. i think he left himself up to have a sit down with jorge ramos. if that happens everybody will be watching that interview. >> everyone stay with us. we will take a break here. coming up, we will look at donald trump's policies. he actually did discuss some policies tonight and one a very surprising liberal take on a major policy. and republican presidential candidate ben carson decides to discuss the black lives matter movement. he has some advice for themes.
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iowa republicans have finally found a new tax they seem to love. tonight in iowa, donald trump got a huge cheer from a republican crowd for proposing a new tax and it's a big tax. >> so i would say to the head of ford, sorry, i'm not going to approve. you are going to pay a tax. every car, every truck, every part that comes across that southern border you will pay a 35% tax. okay? that's what is going to happen. [ applause ] >> that is a tariff, of course, not a tax but it functions the same way so tax is a good enough term for it. after that, donald trump extended the fantasy as he always does to explain why no one will have to pay the trump tax. >>. >> so what happens is they are going to say, no, no, no. and they are going to have people call me.
these are people -- i didn't take any money, anything, i don't want their money. they will have people call me and i'm going to say get out of here and if i know them, they will be friends of mine maybe, i'd say i'm not interested. say the process starts at 12:00 noon, i'd say by 4:00 in the afternoon, the head of ford will call and say mr. president we decided to fwhild the united states. that will happen. okay. that will happen. [ applause ] >> kasie hunt, when i hear him tell this story, he did the same thing in his announcement speech for the campaign, i have strong doubts that donald trump has any idea that the president doesn't have those powers, the tariffs and taxation are entirely up to the congress. but i'm fairly certain that most of the people clapping when they hear that don't have any idea that the president does not have those powers. >> well, to a certain extent -- i'm sorry. >> kasie, what's your sense of
the audience. is it one of those things he is great he said that, let's clap, or do they have no idea that that is not within presidential power? >> i mean, look, i think he is delivering applause lines. i think the magic of donald trump's candidacy for a lot of these people doesn't necessarily have to do with exactly what donald trump is actually going to do when he gets to washington. i think it is the opposite. i think it is his disregard for a process that a lot of people are disgusted. i would say a lot of people i talked to after this, many of them told me that they were here simply to see it. i talked to a couple of democrats here who wanted their "time" magazine cover signed. this was not necessarily a crowd of rabid trump supporters but it is a fun, entertaining atmosphere. his speech is so rambling. i was keeping track of his likes and dislikes, forget the policy proposals. on the like list, saudi arabia
and elton john and on the other oreos and i think yourself. i'm not sure he is the biggest fan of yours personally. i think the whole thing for this audience was the idea that it is a coherent set of things that donald trump will do in washington is just off the mark frankly. >> the elton john part, i thought was the hardest one to follow. i couldn't tell whether he was in favor of elton 0 john or opposed to elton john. >> he said he did like elton john. >> but it is all about when you stay on the stage toog and do too many encores and i think he was saying elton john did too many encores. >> fair enough. >> i do feel funny taking anything donald trump says and putting it through an actual policy analysis, like the crazy 35% tax on cars that come across the border. the idea that anyone in that audience wants to pay 35% more for a ford coming across the border.
but it gets applause. this crazy and impossible idea gets applause and pumps up poll numbers. >> two ways to look at it, lawrence. one is the reality check that you offered. with all due respect to the senate finance committee, it's the house of representatives that has to pass tax legislation, john boehner, the speaker of the house will put together a new tariff on automobiles coming back in to the united states. but from a broader perspective of what he is trying to communicate, an idea about deterring companies from moving operations overseas, from building things outside of the united states and bringing them back in, i think that's a message that resonates with a certain part of the american electorate that crosses party lines. populous protectionist brand of both conservatives and some on the left. >> let's listen to this very big, liberal ramble that donald
trump went on about campaign finance reform. donald trump has now become the principal advocate for a very liberal style campaign finance reform. let's listen to this. >> i don't want to be controlled. last week, you have heard me say this, i turned down $5 million. by a big lobbyist, not a bad person, tough guy, not a bad person. but when he gives me five. he's not doing that because he thinks i have beautiful hair. how about -- i will take a vote. how about if i take all of this money and i promise, i swear to you that i won't do anything for these people, what about that? no. that's what i thought. i feel so stupid, but you know what that's the way it has to be. i think one of the things they like about me. nobody is going to buy me. nobody's going to buy me. >> sikh mizeke miller he's maki
argument against the way things are finance. >> he couldn't accept the $5 million check even if he wanted to. >> that would be a crime. >> he doesn't know that either and his audience doesn't know that. >> the broader point is it gets him the best applause of any event he does. there is a certain amount of truth to it. does anyone think that donald trump can be bought. how many tens of millions of dollars has he lost saying what he thinks supporters want to hear thus far in the campaign. there's a certain amount of truth that he is the embodiment of that. at the same time it puts him at odds with republican party orthodoxy, mitch mcconnell made opposing all campaign finance the core of his political career. puts him where the moderates are.
if you -- you can't get rid of all money, disclose it all. full transparency, rapid transparency. he sounds like david axelrod more than mitch mcconnell or jeb bush. >> we just got this in from the national association of hispanic journalists. they issued a statement condemning donald trump for what happened at the press conference tonight. the statement says the national association of hispanic journalists condemns presidential candidate donald trump for allowing jorge ramos to be ejected from a news conference for simply asking questions. i began by saying donald trump has yet again hurt the republican party. this is the kind of thing that resonates beyond just donald trump and has an effect in the party. >> that's right. i think that along the heels that the rnc chairman said he
supported donald trump. he is a net positive for the republican party. it is almost like they forgot the autopsy they did last year after mitt romney lost so horrifically and basically going back to the extreme right. the fact the national association of hispanic journalists came out they are flagging a real issue. the fact that an american journalist was pulled out of a press conference for asking a question that the candidate did not like, that's a big deal, lawrence. the fact is in the type of free press we want? where we will only pick and choose the individual on which questions we will address for the person seeking the highest office in our country? that's a big deal. i think unfortunately for the republican party, the leadership doesn't come out and condemn the fact that trump is basically on tirade. he says immigrants but now she against american latinos. they are not going to win the white house and perhaps they
don't want to. >> kasie hunt, the dynamic we have seen play out is republican candidates have learned to be afraid of joining any condemnations of donald trump because they get a backlash against themselves when they do that, within the party. >> that's true, lawrence. i think also you have seen people who have tried to do it frankly stumble. look at what jeb bush has gone through the last two days as he has tried to be the person who's take on trump, who played that particular role in the party. instead, he's talking about terms like "anchor babies." he made a remarkable asian people that drew negative reaction. in some ways that is putting him in the place where he once accused mitt romney of screwing up. he was somebody who criticized romney for running to the right and ultimately losing in the general election to president obama. while on the one hand he made
this point a little bit in colorado saying there's no way people can challenge me on immigration. i'm married to a mexican american, speak spanish at home. that's a contrast with the actual words out of his mouth as he has tried to take on trump. >> to kasie's point, the fundamental problem in the republican party and to some extent the democratic paefrt, they don't understand the second largest group of americans is latinos. i think that's the challenge they have. until they actually understand that if you are going to go to the white house, we're not talking immigrants. this majority of immigrants are upset with the tone of immigration. they take it personally and they are talking about them and their families. the only way they can get to the white house is for republicans to change their tone. >> thank you for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. coming up, the biden for president talk continues. and ben carson, bernie sanders and black lives matter. that's next. 1234508 a used car is so intimidating.
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. presidential candidate ben carson wrote an op-ed in a "usa today" about the black lives matter movement which he 'agrees there is a problem with police use of deadly force against african-americans. ben carson wrote, "the protesters are right that racial policing issues exist. and some rotten policemen took actions that killed innocent people. those actions were inexcusable
and should be prosecuted to deter such acts in the future." ben carson believes the black lives matter agenda should widen to include improvements in education in african-american communities and fighting drug addiction and stereo typical images in music, television and movies. he suggests they should be delivering messages to the political parties. to his own party he said, "we need to go to the republican party and tell them they have ignored us for too long. they need to invite us in and listen to us. we need to communicate and find a different way. and to democrats ben carson writes let's tell them we don't want to be fed, clothed and housed. we want honor and dignity. we don't want a plan to give us public housing in nice neighborhoods but an end for excuses for schools that leave us without the means to buy our own houses where we choose to
live. joining us are black lives activists and an initiative to stop police violence. brittany is a member of president obama's task force on 21st century policing. brittany, i want to get your reaction to ben carson's entrance in to this discussion. >> well, i'm certainly glad to see a gop candidate actually discussing black lives matter, given that on our campaign's website, the tracker is showing most candidates are not discussing it at all and it is certainly an issue. he failed to acknowledge systemic racism and oppression. the movement has acknowledged that police violence is a branch of a tree rooted in exactly that, in systemic racism and oppression. to not address the root cause of why we are here it makes it difficult for his instructions to be taken thoroughly. i'm frustrated his language
seemed to suggest that addressing police violence is not urgent an not something we can do as we address other things. certainly glad he's in the conversation. but there were roots of the conversation that that were unaddressed and a lot to be desired in that conversation. >> ben carson seems to be way ahead of donald trump on this. let's listen to what the republican front runner had to say about this on saturday. >> what about the black lives matter movement? what's your take on that? >> i know nothing about it. i'm seeing a lot of bad stuff about it right now actually. >> that is a typical trump answer in two sentences, two different things. one is i know nothing about it and then the next sentence he knows bad things about it. >> you know, the republican party, most of the candidates, including carson, who refuses to acknowledge race, they want race to only be these issues of immigration and not actually talk about any other issues of
racial justice that impact people. what we saw with carson, is carson did this interesting thing where he says because he was successful, racism doesn't exist. we know to be true. exceptionalism is not justice. like brittany said he wholly ignores any systemic racism. what we have seen from trump time and time again is deep insensitivity to any issue that does not speak to hi own experience or not bashing people who he deems to be illegally in america. i'm hopeful the gop will understand the broadness of the issues of race to include black people and a host of other issues that are beyond immigration. >> i want to get to your ten-point program, brittany, that you and deray have come up. i think we have a full screen we can put up to show people what you are proposing. the ten elements to go through them quickly, end broken windows
policing, community yore v oversight, limit force, independently investigate and prosecute, community reputation, body cams for police, better training, end for profit policing, demilitarization, and fair police union contracts. i want to get to two items on there that might seem obscure to some viewers. talk about ending for-profit policing and the union, police union contracts and how they are a factor in this issue. >> well, evidence from ferguson over the last year has shown america that for-profit policing is a deeply problematic issue in many of our communities, especially communities that suffer from income gaps. especially essential we see traffic tickets, court fees and fines leveraged to provide revenue to municipalities of any size, especially ones that exist here in st. louis county. where that leads to a problem is
it turns a lot of municipalities and their criminal justice system in to debtors' prisons. people get caught in endless loops of debt and owing money for minor violations, if at all. what we know is that continues to perpetuate violence on our community. we need to free people economically from these systems that continue to oppress them, as well as free our bodies for our dignity. i can talk about police union contracts, as well but essentially we need to ensure police union contracts remove barriers to justice for members of the community. >> talk about that. the police union contracts, all of the post-police shooting incident procedures that we see and the public gets confused by, why doesn't the police officer talk to the superiors and all of that stuff? most of that stuff is negotiated in to union contracts, isn't it? >> yep. the police union contracts are something that are often hidden
when people think of what it looks like and especially guarantee people won't be held accountable. what you see is officers' files, personnel files are purchased after a year or two years with any discipline in them. you see officers can't immediately talk to investigators. there's a wait period and it is based on some sort of pseudo science that says people need two sleep cycles before they can recount an experience. you see this baked in to contracts, right? deeply embedded. you see places like l.a. where the police union protections are baked in to the charter of the city itself. we wanted to bring light to those things. they guarantee that people will simply not be held accountable. they offer protections, at least even in interrogations you see there are some cities that say officers give breaks, only interrogated in one- hour i chunks and an hour break. frequent breaks for bathroom, meals, rest or they get paid when they get investigated but
can only be interrogated during the work day and if they are interrogated otherwise they get paid for that. we wanted to bring light to that and make sure they are fair and equitable and will lead to accountability. >> i have been studying this problem for decades now and i have seen lists like this come out in different communities after big incidents like has happened in ferguson and there are four or five of these things on here but never seen this full ten. this is the most complete, comprehensive i have seen. we're out of time for tonight. hope you can come back and talk about this come more. thank you for joining us tonight. we appreciate it. coming up, what president obama said, what he really said, about those crazies in washington. the radiant glow of being in love.
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public mass shootings with 90 during the 46-year period. that's five times as many as the next country on the list, the philippines with 18. rounding out the top five were russia with 15, yemen with 11, and france with 10. in other words, although the u.s. accounts for less than 5% of the world's population, we accounted for 31% of mass shootings between 1966 and 2012. up next, president obama talks about what he calls "the crazies" in washington. here at humana, we value sticking with things. when something works, people stick with it. more people stick with humana medicare advantage. because we stick with them.
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fund-raiser with harry reid, president obama said this about the challenges they are facing. "harry and i drove over here together and were doing little reminiscing and figuring out how we are going to deal with the crazies in terms of managing some problems and then talked about riding off in to the sunset together." . there's no recording of those remarks, just the president taking notes. some controversy about whether the president was calling opponents of the iran deal but in fact the president did not mention the iran deal in the comments until ten minutes after his reference to the crazies. today the iran deal picked up its 29th supporter, patty murray issued a statement saying i will be voting to support the agreement to prevent iran from developing a nuclear weapon. i will vote against the resolution and if neededly vote against overriding president obama's veto. five more senators are needed to sustain a potential veto when congress votes on the deal next
month. joining us steve clemens, washington editor at large for the atlantic, and we are back with zeke miller and jonathon allen. five more votes needed to lock in the iran deal. >> he is slowly marking notches in the effort to secure for himself probably one of the most important policy objectives he had. this will be defining for his administration for a long period of time. the senators are coming through. they only have two democrats who have come out strongly opposed and barack obama looks like he's going to make this one. when he refers to crazy, i have no doubt he was talking about the senator and others who have been giving him trouble on this. >> zeke miller, it's fascinating in the age of trump there could be any upset in washington by someone using a term like crazies to refer to their opponents on anything. but scott walker tweeted this today, obama calls opponents of
iran deal crazies because it's crazy to oppose giving the regime calling for the down fall to a nuclear bomb. presidential candidates will obviously try to make the most of that. >> absolutely. you are going to see the whole range of them make hay out of that comment. it was not necessarily the right comment for the president to make right now as he is trying to martial democrats and republicans on board. he is not -- the interesting thing you mentioned donald trump. donald trump and scott walker have vastly different positions on the iran nuclear deal. scott walker saying repeatedly help to tear at this time up on day one. donald trump saying i was in business. that's not how contracts or deals work. you are seeing the republican field divide that way. it is an interesting contrast we are seeing. >> the crazies reference for me was one of those little moments of truth. when i was in washington, the
door was closed, i have to say the leaders, including the president, i heard them talk about "the crazies." there were fewer of them. each party at that point had two or three what they felt were crazies in the senate any way buff it is always the first thing they talk about. how are we going to deal with them? >> the days of sanity in the senate . >> when jesse helms was your big and only problem. >> right. >> i think the president obviously feels like he has to deal with a lot of people who aren't, in his view dealing with facts and realities. i didn't take his comments to be directly about the iran deal. i think a lot of things in which he feels he's dealing with crazy folks in the republican party and sometimes in his own democratic party, obviously upset with them over some of the things they did on his trade agenda not too long ago. sounds like he was on vacation can a little off message. >> steve clemmens. one of those things where you turn off the cameras.
he knows it is not recorded the way everything else he says is, but they have reporters taking notes. your prospects at this point for the iran deal going forward? >> i think right now there's better than even chance they won't get 60 votes against it. they might but it is looking right now like momentum is on the side of the white house and they are moving this thing along. harry reid, today tom cotton made an amazing statement land blasting harry reid in advance for attempting to filibuster the deal. an interesting bit of news that many of us on the outside looking in hadn't realized we are at that point yet. it looks like the president will win no matter how this goes. >> a quick break here. when we come back, the democratic campaign for president, very good polling news for hillary clinton today. that's next. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought.
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emotionally prepared for a grueling campaign while still grieving the recent death of his son beau. the "washington post" report follows the report last night that president obama gave joe biden his blessing to run in 2016. a suffolk university poll of democratic voters in iowa released today shows hillary clinton leads with 54%, followed by bernie sanders with 20% and joe biden in third with 11%. back with our panel on additional element in the poll, zeke miller, is not so great for hillary clinton in iowa. the question of do you think hillary clinton's use of e-mail will hurt her or not hurt her in a general election. this is in iowa where they support her, big number supports her. 52% say it will hurt her in a general election. 36% say it will not hurt her and 4% say not sure. there's a poll that at first blush is really positive for hillary clinton but contains
that internal danger. >> yeah. absolutely. even if you ask hillary clinton and the people in her -- right now she admits she -- it is certainly not convenient for her right now. it is not the story line they wanted right now. it's having an affect on her poll numbers. republicans think this is something they can use for months and next year and a half ahead to ham her on and drive her untrustworthiness rating and that will stop voters from voting for her. this will be a story line for her as the e-mail releases come out and she testified on capitol hill in october. it is a story line for the rest of the year and likely stick around through next year through the general election one way or the other you can't read the
"washington post" report about how the family is thinking about it without referring to maureen dowd's column where she had the scene ott at beau biden's death bed where he was surging his father to run for president. it seems like that's the most important voice in the family. >> well, i happen to know the family and every biden voice around joe biden is important. beau biden, of course, and wa he said on his death bed but not the only part of this. i can say the biden family, as far as i know, has just looked at adversity and challenges and just -- they are all like let's get up and go and run over them. i think what we heard from beau biden is part of the dna of every person in the biden family and it is hard to imagine that anyone is trying to put brakes on joe biden's aspirations. >> there is a report of a meeting being scheduled after
labor day, senior party players, and a bunch of biden loyalists getting together. what could they be talking about? >> i think a presidential run, lawrence. i think it is safe to say joe biden wants to run for president and has been running for president the last 28 years off and on. i think that there are some advisers close to him that are worried about what it may mean for his legacy, about the possibility of losing. so, i think there's some push and pull within biden world but i don't think anybody should be under any mistaken impression that joe biden doesn't want to be the president of the united states. >> steve, i think you certainly know the biden family a lot better than i do, but having been around joe biden for years, it's hard for me to imagine him not taking this final chance. >> this is a guy who's one of the -- chuck todd, many of us who have known him said the most natural politician in