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her in the wheelchair there making her way across the bridge. she died today and the white house released a statement praising her quiet heroism. she died at the age of 104. >> the father of a reporter murdered on television issued a powerful statement about the need for gun control legislation. one of the key negotiators of this iran nuclear deal will join us.
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>> look at the deal we have with iran. >> it reflects the best of american foreign policy. >> the single worst thing the president has done. >> this is a national embarrassment. >> countries are going to line up for notes. >> a deal that makes sure iran does not get a nuclear weapon. >> if ever seen a deal take so long? it has been going on forever. >> ripped to shreds this catastrophic nuclear deal. >> this historic diplomatic breakthrough. >> we should have doubled and tripled up the sanctions and negotiated from strength. >> we negotiated from a position of weakness. >> stop financing radical islam and terrorism. >> we don't rely on bluster or bravado. >> they have kerry going on bike races, he falls and breaks his leg. he walks in like what a schmuck. >> exports lined up to support it. >> strong principle diplomacy and showing to the world what american leadership really means.
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>> when secretary of state john kerry led the united states and five other countries to reach a nuclear deal with iran there was probably no one in the room wondering what donald trump would say about the deal. they all knew there would be critics of the deal. they were concerned about what israeli netanyahu would say, also what senator john mccain would say and other prominent washington critics in the negotiating effort. now there is no critic of the deal with a bigger microphone than the front runner for the republican presidential nomination. >> look at the deal we have with iran. look at this deal. it's going to, in my opinion, lead to an arms race, the likes of which there's never been. countries are going to line up for nukes. you are going to perhaps have nuclear proliferation. >> that is donald trump last
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night. in the "washington post" former general petraeus co-authored an op-ed piece saying there can be little doubt that a deal leaves us far better off and we don't believe if congress blocks the deal a better one will be negotiated. the support of general petraeus is weeks before congressional vote on the deal. 29 democratic senators have announced their support for the deal. only two have announced oppositions, senator schumer and senator menendez, 15 undecided. the president needs only five of them to support the deal and sustain his veto if congress votes against the deal. joining us now is one of the key negotiators at secretary kerry's side throughout the process, undersecretary of state for political affairs, wendy sherman. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me, lawrence.
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>> it must come as a surprise to you that you are now in a position to have to respond to criticism being offered by donald trump who clearly now has a bigger microphone than any of the republicans in washington who are arguing against this deal. i want to play something that donald trump said last night because it's an echo, the trump version of what you have heard from many republican senate critics about the inspection periods an the possible delays involved. let's listen to the way donald trump put it last night. >> we have a 24-day wait period. so if we think they are doing nuclear, we have to wait 24 days. that's not the worst part. the worst part is, the clock doesn't start ticking, could be 24 months. there's a whole process. they could build, shoot, a couple more build, shoot and we still wouldn't be in there checking. >> your response? >> my response is i hope
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mr. trump has read the agreement because if he had he'd understand that what he said is actually not accurate. indeed the international atomic agency which will do the verification of the agreement, an agreement based on verification and monitoring, not based on trust, can ask for access to any site that it is suspicious of with 24 hour's notice. if iran under the protocols in the international community is allowed to have a conversation with iran about whether they can go because it might be to a military site, same kind of conversation we or any other country might be able to have with the iaea in any other country in world that conversation can go on forever. in this agreement we negotiated a special access agreement. which means the iaea and iran can have it only 14 days after which will is a vote and if the
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majority rules and i suspect it will with the united states and our european partners, than i ran must give access within three day s. quickly as 24 hours or at the most 24 days and as secretary moniz at the department of energy said, you can't hide nuclear material for 24 days or 24 months. probably for 24 years. it's hard to get rid of it. >> i'd like to raise another point that trump mentioned last night. it is on obscure point. there was an ap report indicating there would be a form of self inspection that iran would be granted in one particular location, the ap since scrubbed that report. they erased it to the point where you can not find anywhere some of the paragraphs contained in that report. they never issued a formal correction about it but donald trump seized on that. this is the way he referred to it last night. let's listen.
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>> we just found out they are going to do in the most important section, they are going to do their own inspections. did you hear this? iran is going to do their own inspections. >> can you clarify that point? >> again, lawrence, that's just not true. the international atomic energy would never allow iran to do a self inspection. i think mr. trump is referring to iran's past. this is a project they have had under way for four years. they use the leverage of the negotiation to get access they want to that site. they worked out a technical arrangement that they think will get them the information they need. we have great faith and confidence in the international atomic agency, the entire world does. mr. trump doesn't have the facts. >> there's another element to the deal which frees up certain financial resources that will be available to iran over time.
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that's an issue that's been attacked by many critics of the deal. let's listen to how benjamin in netanyahu phrased it. >> this will fuel iran's terrorism worldwide. its aggression in the region and its efforts to destroy israel, which are ongoing. amazingly, this bad deal does not require iran to cease its aggressive behavior in any way. >> your reaction to that? >> look, i understand all of the concern and anxiety about iran's destabilizing activities in the region. i share those, the president does, secretary kerry does, but no deal can carry all of the problems we face with iran. the real objective of this deal is to make sure iran does not have a nuclear weapon because if iran had a nuclear weapon, their ability to wreak more havoc in the region would be unthinkable and their ability to deter our
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efforts and our efforts with israel and our gulf partners to stop their nefarious activities would be nearly impossible. i share the concern but the president of the united states believes, president, secretary of state john kerry believes if we don't get the nuclear issue resolved we won't be able to get the other issues resolved and all of our sanctions around iran's actions, state sponsorship of terrorism, abuses of human rights, arms sales, all of these things remain on the books. what we are talking about in this deal, once they take the nuclear steps to severely limit their program, invite the iaea in, so they can verify what they are doing and make sure they do not acquire a nuclear weapon and make that commitment forever, not just 15, 20 years but forever. that's what we have to be focused on in this deal.
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it just can't carry the weight of the other things but we have plenty of strategies, tools and work we are doing with israel and our gulf partners to deal with the other problems which are real. >> we have a quinnipiac poll that indicates 86% of republicans oppose the deal, which is an indication of what is happening in the senate where you don't have republicans supporting it. it is also an indicator of how donald trump, as vague as his statements may be and as inaccurate as some of them maybe is clearly mirroring the republican voter out. there i want to go to another point raised by general petraeus in the op-ed piece today where he endorses the deal. he says "we're better off with this deal" but two things concern him. one, he'd like the president to overtly and clearly announce that a violation of the deal would absolutely provoke an american military response, and then he would like the administration to provide israel
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with an extra powerful bunker-busting bomb, more than anything israel is in possession of now. what is your reaction to those suggestions? >> my reaction is that the united states has an absolutely indivisible bond with israel. we will do everything we can do to have israel's back. we always have. president obama has provided more security assistance to israel than any other president, and he, in fact, developed the weapon that dave petraeus mentioned. not only developed, commissioned, paid for it and deployed it so it is ready and the president has been declarative that if, in fact, he needs to take military action he will. i think -- you know, i had a reporter ask me today, what is in this deal for the average person? why should they care when they care about their wages, their kids' education, they care about their future, they care about security on the streets not
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necessarily first and foremost security in the world and what i said is if iran has a nuclear weapon, that's a threat to the united states. that's a threat to israel. that's a threat to the gulf. that's a threat to the world. that means that american men and women who might be some of those families or friends of some of those families will have to go off and fight a very, very difficult, complicated and explosive war with. we will use up all of our blood and treasure for that when we could be increasing wages, when we could be ensuring jobs, good educations and getting crime off our streets. so i think the president has the right priority. let's assure that iran can't have a nuclear weapon. let's have the option, all of the options on the table if iran doesn't comply we'll know if they don't. this is not about trust. let's see if we can't give peace a chance, diplomacy a chance first. if it doesn't work, because we have done this with six other
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countries, and the u.n. security council has endorsed it unanimously, we will have the world on our side to take whatever other action is needed, but i think the american people prefer peace over war if a solution can be found. >> wendy sherman, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, the father of the reporter killed on live tv this morning just issued a impassioned plea for gun control legislation. later, the general manager of that tv station will join us to remember the friends they lost today. ♪ ♪ ♪ if you can't stand the heat, get off the test track. get the mercedes-benz you've been burning for at the summer event,
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he's been through today, and at the end of that discussion with megyn kelly, he said this -- >> everybody that she touched loved her, and she loved everybody back. you know, i'm not going to let this issue drop. this is, you know -- we've got to do something about crazy people getting guns. you know, and the problem that you guys have -- and i know it's the news business. this is a big story, but next week, it isn't going to be a story anymore and everybody's going to forget it. but you mark my words, my mission in life and i talked to the governor today. he called me and i told him, i said, i'm going to do something, whatever it takes to get gun legislation to shame people, to shame legislators in to doing something about closing loopholes in background checks and making sure crazy people don't get guns. and he said, you go. i'm right there with ya.
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so, you know, this is not the last you have heard of me. this is something that is alison's legacy that i want to make happen. >> joining us now april ryan, white house correspondent and bureau chief for american urban radio networks and author of the book, "the presidency in black and white." austan goolsbee, economic adviser to president obama, currently a professor of economics at the university of chicago and here in new york with us jonathon alter, msnbc contributor and columnist for "the daily beast." it had been a day in which various politicians made comments about this. they came in for some criticism on fox news. there's always an objection to raising anything about possible legislation on the day -- the inevitable days of coverage we have of these kinds of events. then on fox news tonight that dramatic moment, something that is not a very welcome message on
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that network that we have to do something legislatively. >> we have seen this before, i hate to say it. after these terrible tragedies, where family members come forward and pledge to do this. the point is you have to have a ten nasty about it. political struggle, change in this country is hard. it's a long slog. the problem is people in favor of common sense gun control, most of them don't have the passion with those loved ones do about the issue. they have to develop the passion, if this is going to change. it requires movement building. it requires people who have not had somebody in their family who's been a victim of gun violence to decide i'm going to pitch in. i'm going to lobby. i'm going to make this important. when that starts to happen, then change is possible.
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>> april ryan, andy parker, who we just heard on fox news, the worst imaginable day of his life or any parents life said he wants to shame legislators in to doing this. that's what he told megyn kelly, closing loopholes and background checks and making sure crazy people don't get guns. that seems like something that should be unanimous agreement on. >> the way we understood it, there was an agreement between democrats and republicans on it but it wasn't acted upon. one of the main reasons was because of a powerful gun lobby called the nra. i just understand this is happening. you see this happen in columbine. you seen this happen with the school children. we have seen this happen so many times, over and over again. we saw it most recently in roanoke and just before that the situation in charleston. it happens over and over again. the calls go out, but we're not hearing the ground swell that we
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would think would be happening, particularly on capitol hill and republicans who, are listening to the powerful gun lobby of the nra. >> let's listen to what chris hurst said tonight. he is actually the boyfriend of alison parker who was murdered this morning. >> i think we need to be careful with how we identify this man and we don't label him and then discriminate against everybody else who has a mental illness in this country who needs access to services, but clearly something went wrong here between him leaving our station and being able to purchase a gun and commit a premeditated act. what happened behind us was clearly wrong, but there's been ample time beforehand where many other things went wrong. those need to be addressed. not any of the allegations he is saying about the love of my life. >> austan goolsbee, there's --
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this becomes political no matter how much people try to keep the politics out of this, especially in the first day of coverage. some people believe there shouldn't be any political references to it but we saw the father of this murdered reporter tonight going straight to that. >> yes. i mean, god, your heart is just broken for this father. the day this is going to happen and then you are thrust in to the national spotlht in that way. i guess my only feeling on this is this has happened so many times that we are kind of stuck in this rut. we know what the advocates of gun control are going to say, we ought to pass these laws and opponents will say no, we will oppose it. i wonder if the approach that the father is advocating, we're going to shame them, try to confront them, maybe we have to take a different approach. one, there are in this case and some of the other cases laws on
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the books that weren't enforced properly or things like that where you could take action, executive -- by executive order you could take some actions just in keeping with the laws that are on the books perhaps and then second, i kind of think we almost had april said bipartisan agreement on the issue of should those with mental illness be able to purchase weapons. it feels like that's an area of, let's press on that and see where there might be some overlapping agreement rather than just get it in to to confrontation. >> let's listen to what hillary clinton said today. >> we have to do something about gun violence in america and i will take it on. there are many people who face it and know it but then turn
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away because it's hard. it's a very political, difficult issue in america. i feel just great heart ache at what happened. i want to reiterate how important it is we not let yet another terrible instance go by without trying to do something more to prevent this incredible killing that stalking our country. >> jonathon alter, we just heard andy parker say that he says i know this is the news business. i this is a big story, but next week it isn't going to be a story anymore and everybody's going to forget. that's what he feels tonight will happen. >> well, i'm sorry to say he's right. i mean that's just the nature of the news business.
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that's the nature of the short attention span of the american people. it's up to the politicians and the people whose job it is to mobilize and pressure those politicians to keep the issue going in state legislatures and in washington. i think austan goolsbee's suggestion is an interesting one. the white house to take another look at whether there are things that could be done by executive order to better enforce the laws that are on the books, and the rest of us have to be willing to develop arguments against people on the other side that we are not doing. for instance, you always hear a law wouldn't have stopped this guy. he would have gotten a gun any way. that is like saying all laws are futile. just because people commit murder, does that mean we shouldn't have laws against murder. because people commit tax evasion doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws against tax evasion. that's a nonsensical argument you hear all the time. just because a law wouldn't have
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prevented this particular case, doesn't mean it might not prevent some other cases of gun violence. you know, the people who are engaged in this debate need to get more serious about confronting the nra on each of the arguments. >> lawrence, i would also highlight, we have had a background check environment structure in place for some time. yes, there are loopholes in it. i think it is worth highlighting there's been a number of dramatic number of reductions during the time we have had the background check in. just highlighting these things can work is also part of the equation. >> yeah. there's never going to be a news story about the person who was denied access to a gun who was never able to pull this off. that story will never make it to our attention. >> the states that have more gun safety laws do better in restricting gun violence than those that don't.
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it's my very sad duty to report that we have determined through the help of the police
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and our employees that alison and adam ward died this morning shortly after 6:45 when the shots rang out. i cannot tell you how much they were loved, alison and adam, by the wdbj team. they were in love and we will talk about that. and our hearts are broke and our sympathies go to the staff here and the families. >> the general manager for wdbj tv speaking about the murders of alison parker and adam ward. the shooter sent a 28-page fax to abc news two hours after the shooting with a list of grievances including how he was treated when he was a reporter at that station himself.
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he apparently posted his own video of the shooting on social media, which was quickly taken down by facebook and twitter. the gunman's own 56-second video showed him deliberately waiting until the journalists were on air before raising a handgun and firing at point blank range, ensuring it would be seen live or recorded by thousands. joining us now, jeffrey marks, the general manager of wdbj tv in roanoke, virginia. mr. marks, first of all, i'm sorry for your loss today, your personal losses in this. i can't imagine what this day has been like for you. i very much appreciate you staying with us tonight. can you tell us where you were at 6:45 a.m. and how this event came in to your life? >> i was running an errand and
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very near the television station. so right after the incident occurred my news director called me and said did you see that and of course i had not seen that. she told me what immediately had happened and i was here within five minutes. >> mr. marks, at the point where you are being called -- i assume in the control room they don't really know what happened, what the actual results were there on the ground? >> i think they weren't sure whether it was fireworks or something else. i think some of them knew instantly but didn't want to imagine it. but they immediately lost touch with adam and alison, couldn't reach them on their cell phones and that's a very bad sign. >> after the camera went down, they heard in the control room, what was it, eight shots were fired when the camera wasn't picking up anything?
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>> i guess that's right. i didn't count them. i watched the video once or twice, but it was such a horrifying scene, i didn't stop to count the shots. >> what was it like on a personal level? i saw you go through an extraordinary day where on the air at wdbj you had to bring this to your community, your viewing community and share everything you were going through live because the community was going through it, too. what was that experience like? >> well, we were grieving while doing our jobs. we were trying to breathe while doing what journalists do. we have such a fine team here of people on the air and behind the scenes and every department of our building rallied, came through the newsroom and said what can we do? our friends at the station down the street, offered to help us in any way they could.
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we heard from folks around the world and around the country and there are flowers everywhere here and signs at our entrance expressing people's solidarity with us and their sense of community of loss. it was the worst day for all of us in terms of our careers. >> tell us what you would like us to know and remember about alison parker and adam ward. >> first of all, they had both found love here. they were above in love. those relationships were going strong. those of course -- there's no way to even imagine how awful the other parties feel. you saw one earlier, i believe, chris who was speaking to another network. the sense of loss for everybody in our building was palpable.
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alison was exuberant and fun and smiling and jumping at every opportunity she was given, whether it was to cohost a parade or work on a very intensive child abuse special we aired last week. adam was with the life of the party. he was a cut up. in latin class at the university, i'm told, and a cut up in our newsroom but also a serious journalist who made instant friends with everybody he covered. i can't imagine that if you put 1,000 people in front of me for candidates for those jobs that i wouldn't have picked out alison and adam. >> you have really brought them to life for us throughout the day with everything you have had to say about them. since we are in the same business, i think we here all feel like we know them because
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we know so many people like them, with that same kind of commitment and same joy about doing this kind of work. >> yeah. >> and in my experience, that depends almost entirely on the tone set by the boss. so there's definitely a tribute to you here in how that place operates and everything worked at your station today. >> well, let me also pay tribute to the senior management team, who work with me to create an at moss fear in which these people can flourish. i'm not in the newsroom every day slugging it out. our team of fabulous news editors try to bring out the best in everyone and let them be themselves and they certainly did that with adam and alison and you saw the results in the performance we got on the air. >> jeffrey marks, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i'm very sorry for your loss and i wish you all the best in trying to get through the coming days. thank you very much.
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nbc confirmed that vice president biden discussed the possibility of running for president on a conference call this afternoon. the vice president spoke with democratic national committee members about the obama administration's nuclear deal with iran, but according to a democratic source familiar with the call, the vice president also said this "we're dealing at home with whether or not there is the emotional fuel at this time to run. if i were to announce to run, i have to be able to commit to all of you that i would be able to give it my whole heart and my whole soul and right now both are pretty well banged up." ezra klein writes in a piece that a joe biden campaign would be a good thing but it would be a good thing for hillary
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clinton. he writes an actual fight will give the press an presidential campaign to cover rather than a front rubber to investigate and a fight will sharpen clinton's instincts. we're back with the panel here. jonathon alter, i'm always intrigued by people who think it will be good for the candidate if another strong candidate gets in there and campaigns against the candidate. i don't think any campaign has ever felt, boy, this would be -- the only thing that could make this campaign better is if we had a stronger candidate running against us. >> i used to agree with ezra that i thought the batting practice might be good for hillary clinton, but there was a good column convincing me otherwise. when you think about it, they don't disagree on the issues. so what would that mean for a joe biden campaign? he'd have to get in and start attacking her integrity. basically say i got in to this race because hillary clinton is
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not trustworthy enough to be our nominee. that is an angry, tough bitter campaign that would make hillary versus obama look like pinochle. >> what we saw hillary clinton do in talking about joe biden, i think it is one of her most touching moments of her campaign, one of her most human moments if not the most human moment. it was real what she was saying about the suffering he has gone through was heart felt and then the model that bernie sanders has laid down here which is not one negative word about hillary clinton. bernie sanders is not running against another democrat. to step in to this campaign at this stage with the table set by hillary clinton and bernie sanders who are not attacking each other it would be hard to
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see how joe biden or any other democrat could come in and start a negative campaign. >> because of the closeness of some of the candidates with one another i think they have to stay above the fray and deal with the issues. not necessarily personal attacks as of yet, i say as of yet, right now. i think if joe biden were to jump in it would make hillary clinton a strong candidate and fine tune her more than she is because there would be competition. on another note, when it comes to joe biden -- lawrence,ly never forget last year, there was an event and joe biden and ashley biden were guests of honor or the speaker of the hour. ashley and joe biden talked about 201 6. ashley, the daughter of joe biden said, you know, i want him to kind of have some down time and i want to work on some projects with my dad and he really took it to heart.
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he's a real person who lets his realness show. the loss of a son -- someone you were very close to, is a very real situation. what he said today i really firmly believe in. in listening to the report that kristin gave, basically i think he may be letting us know he might be leaning toward not running with that. >> austan goolsbee, you know something here. you are in on the inside has the campaign reached out to you for their advice yet? >> no. i haven't spoken with the vice president in any way. what i would say is this, first of all, we know joe biden -- if you could wave a wand and became the president. he ran for president twice. he'd like to be the president. that said, i find it extremely unlikely there's going to be the kind of extended primary battle, like what we had in 2008. i think it is really unlikely.
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hillary clinton is a formidable candidate. i think joe biden would only get in the race if he thought there was a very good chance he could get the nomination. i think that's sort of a cloud over his head at this point. could he actually do it. i don't think if he did enter he would attack hillary clinton or her character at all. i think he would be kind of taking a populous line. i think it would be chewing in to the support of sanders or chewing in to the support of some other candidates on the left. i really don't think he would enter unless he thought there was some way that he actually could get the nomination. >> the problem for him is when you get in, your numbers usually go down. because voters want what they can't have. so the guys who are on the sidelines are generally higher than the ones, if they are well known, than the ones who get in.
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he could actually go down after he got in to the scrum. the trap he's in, i agree he's not going to want to go out there and wail on hillary clinton. but what else does he have? he is not a populous, he's not a bernie sanders. can't disagree with her on the issues. than why is he running. >> can he run as the proper inheriter of barack obama? >> oh, yes, he would be. he would be, i guess you would say the prince, prince biden 3.0 that could wind with up becoming -- i guess you would say king to a certain extent but president. so he would have to be above the fray and keep it going even heel. >> i think he would go after the banks. >> that will be the last word. thank you very much for joining us. coming up, a special edition of questions for donald trump starring some of your questions and a couple of very special
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intern with the last word for lawrence. you are the summer interns. as your service comes to a close you of course come on the show and tune things up. mo, you are following the +++ nothing. >> isabella, off question for donald trump. what is your question? >> i do. my question is, you recently said that the u.s. economy should be decoupled from china's. how would you deal with the $1.3 trillion of debt the u.s. owes china? would you default on it? >> such a good question. decoupling is trickier than he seems to recognize. >> absolutely. >> mo, your question for donald
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trump? >> sure. mr. trump, if you are president and a member of your cabinet asks you a hard question will you have them removed from the white house. >> and will it be the same guy that got jorge ramos out. we keep getting great questions on-line. michael barkley, i read this question from him last night. i said this question in the office, i think two days ago, word for word almost. here's what michael barkley read my mind. here's his question for trump. dear mr. trump, why do you say, excuse me, when you really mean, shut up, i'm interrupting now. he goes excuse me, like every other paragraph begins with excuse me and then he pushes through. >> right will this be your first presidential election that you vote in? >> my second. >> second as well. >> old are you? >> 20. >> wait a minute, how can you be
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20 voting in your second presidential election. >> second election but first presidential election. >> yes. >> second. i'm 21. >> okay. you have been at this for a while. >> here's another one from michael moskowitz. he says to trump, say i'm undocumented do i get a letter, a call, a knock on the door, a hearing, 30 days, 10 days and mo, this is one of the things he's not talking about. how are you going to physically get these people, 11 million and drag out of here. >> he is a very blunt talker. i think whatever trump says will go. we're not hearing much, but we're supposed to take his word for it. so -- >> isabella, you get to witness another historic election. what is now the trump election. >> the trump election, it certainly is and i totally agree with mo. he makes all of these brash statements about the economy, related to my question or
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immigration and mr. trump, where are the numbers? >> we just went 28 seconds over time for you guys. isabella and mo get tonight's last word. thank you for joining us. ♪ in cold blood. this is "hardball." ♪ >> good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with the latest on the murder of two tv journalists this morning. an attack carried out live on air. here's what we know. the victims were alison parker, a 24-year-old reporter for wdbj in roanoke virginia, and adam ward, her 27-year-old cameraman, a third victim, vicki gardner, was shot and injured. the shooting occurred in the middle of a live shoot for the

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