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merely empty except for photos of flanagan covering the refrigerator and dirty dishes. clearer picture of her is starting to take shape. police report reveals several items found inside his rental car, six magazines of ammunition, to do list and 17 stamped letters. moments ago thorry mcauliffe visited the employees of wdbj and offered his condolences. after that visit he pushed his message on pursuing gun control legislation. >> we lose on average 89 individuals a day to gun violence. there are too many guns in america and there's clearly too many guns in the wrong hands. >> on a more personal note the funeral plans made for photographer adam ward. 27-year-old will be laid to rest on tuesday. msnbc's adam riess is live outside in roanoke there of the station wdbj. the governor push for gun control legislation. he talked about having just been with his family at the very lake
where these two young journalists were lost. what more did he have to say? >> he says he's a gn owner. he likes to go out and hunt. he was here an hour ago offering his condolences. he said the staff is heartbroken but he wants to pursue gun control legislation more thorough, background checks. also learning more about flanagan's time here. a troubled time here at wdbj. he came with good references despite the fact he was let go from two previous stations. once he arrived it was downhill from there. performance related issues, anger issues. soon got into it with some of his colleagues. altercation with a reporter and number of photographers. he was warned about his behavior and told to saeek counseling. less than a year he was told he was going to be fired. he told management if you're going to fire me i'm going to make a stink and you might want to call police. he was escorted out.
he gave a wooden cross to the news director saying you're going to need this. vicki gardner, the third person shot on wednesday morning, she was conducting the interview. she is the head of the chamber of commerce. she was also wounded, suffered severe gunshot wounds. she has gone through surgery in recovery now. we spoke to a friend of the family. here's what he had to say. >> she saw alison shot, adam also. she, you know, was ducking and dodging and ended up on the ground kind of hunched over. and he shot her in the back after perhaps attempts or later attempts of shooting her again where his gun was not either functioning or was out of bullets. >> after all that, she was able to stand up, get in the back of an unmarked police car, get into an ambulance. she called her husband very lucky to be alive. tochl mass? >> adam riess reporting for us
there outside the station of wdbj in roanoke. thanks so much. as we have been waiting for hillary clinton is now addressing the crowd there for the dnc in minneapolis. let's go ahead and listen in. >> -- but it is dead wrong in 21st century america. and i know that when i talk like this some people think, there she goes again with the womens issues. republicans actually say i am playing the. gender card. well, if calling for equal pay and paid leave and womens health is playing the gender card, deal me in. so, my friends, we democrats are
not going to sit idly by while democrats shame and blame women. we're not going to stay quiet when they demonize immigrants whether they're latino, asian, or anything else. we're not going to keep silent when they say climate change isn't real or same-sex couples are threatening our freedom or trickle down economics works. we can't let them take us backwards. so we're going to fight and we're going to win. and i'll tell you, it's no secret that we're going up against some pretty powerful forces, who will say do and spend whatever it takes to advance their out of touch, out of date agenda. >> all right, so here's hillary clinton. she is speaking with those that have gathered today in minneapolis. it's summer meeting for the dnc. the elephant in the room though is what's going to happen with joe biden. but she doesn't seem too concerned about that, whether or not he's going to be throwing his hat into the ring or not. she is taking on this crowd with her own message right now. one thing i want to remind you
of though what she talked about yesterday, and she made a reference to it here, the gop playing the gender card. she said, well, deal me in. this is what she had to say yesterday in a reference of comparing the gop to terrorists. look. >> extreme views about women, we expect that from some of the terrorist groups. we expect that from people who don't want to live in the modern world. but it's a little hard to take coming from republicans who want to be the president of the united states. yet they espouse out of date and out of touch policies. they are dead wrong for 21st century america. we're going forward, we're not going back. >> all right. msnbc alex seitz-wald is covering the clinton campaign in minneapolis and joins us right now. so, alex, a lot of backlash after that comment yesterday but it doesn't seem like she's backing away from its talking about how the gop is calling out the gender card for her.
she says, deal me in. >> not at all, thomas. i think this is a debate she would like to have. i think she went a little bit further than she had planned to yesterday with the terrorist remarks. but still in general this is an issue that she feels comfortable on democrats feel comfortable on. another issue interesting today she brought up is the guns in the wake of that tragic shooting yesterday in virginia. and this plays both ways. it's ones she goes up against republicans on but also one she can differentiate herself from bernie sanders and can move to the left since he doesn't have a super strong progressive record here. take a look. >> we need to put an end to the gun violence that plagued our community communities. you know, after the terrible events of wednesday with two
journalists killed on live television, plus a police officer killed in louisiana, and many more lost every day in carnage that harnlargely goes unnoticed now across our country, i don't know how -- >> and you can just hear by that level of applause, thomas, that this is an issue that excites democrats. and it's also one that aides tell me hillary clinton feels personally invested in. so by taking on the issue, even though politically very difficult to get gun control, she's also communicating to these democrats in the room she's a fighter. she's going to be willing to take on tough challenges and be the best one to go up against republicans next year. >> msnbc's alex seitz-wald reporting for us in minneapolis. i want to turn to francis rivera who is going to join was the bing pulse question of the day. it feels with hrc. >> and the eyebrows raised after
those comments. so we are asking you to weigh in. our viewers at home, did hillary clinton cross the line by associating the gop with terrorists? the pulse went live just a few minutes ago. so here's how we're looking. trickling up. you saw that change from 38% to 41%, now 42%. viewers at home saying yes, as far as 42% of them. 58% of our viewers watching and weighing in say no, that is not the case. so as we continue on in our next two hours you see it fluctuating again. weigh in, interesting also to see how we're looking in realtime as we get a little spike in votes just in realtime in the also minute. some people staying neutral. more on the nos, of course, you get your chance to change that here on the pulse. just go to pulse.msnbc.com. cast your vote as we ask this question today. if hillary clinton did cross the line by associating the gop with terrorists. we'll bring your responses later on as well. >> thanks so much. we move on to the breaking news out of florida where the governor there rick scott
declared a state of emergency. all this as an advance of tropical tomorrow erika already killed 12 people in the small caribbean nation of dominica. florida's governor is updating storm preparations a short time ago. >> you've got to get ready. you need to have three days of water, three days of food. it's a weekend. listen to the news. listen to the elected individuals. but, yeah, i think we have -- so many people moved here since we had a hurricane. so i think that's one of our biggest risks. >> let's go right now to the wlrn channel's paul goodloe following the latest tract for us. >> the advisory for tropical storm erika, 50-mile-per-hour winds, moving west northwest at 18 miles per hour. there's the center of the tropical storm. the thunderstorm is off to the east and southeast of the center. so it's not a healthy well-organized tropical storm, which is a good thing if you don't want this thing to strengthen. right now puerto rico, some passing showers. heavy rain not an issue. flooding no longer a huge issue.
look where the heavy rain is. still out here across the caribbean. look at the path. it's meandering. at this point in terms of the forecast even yesterday, it should have been north of puerto rico. it's still south now of the dominican republic. that factors into the forecast because the right now the forecast is for this to cross dominican republic and 8, 9, 10,000 foot mountains away. it could rip this thing apart. if it emerges it could threat an big chunk of the u.s. as we head on towards the middle of next week. the forecast is for this to stay a tropical storm and not strengthen to a hurricane at least the forecast as of right now. thomas? >> okay, paul, thank you, sir. much appreciated. keep us posted when you get new tracking information. developing now, a day and a week to reflect in new orleans. ten years after hurricane katrina changed that city forever. and former president george w. bush returned to new orleans today. he visited warreneaston charter high school. he went one year ago.
east dl o easton, the state's oldest public school under water and almost didn't reopen. >> the slogan that guided the school when we first visited is true today. we believe in success. and because of that success, that schools like this have achieved, you've given all americans reason to believe that new orleans is back and better than ever. >> president obama also visited the city yesterday meeting with many residents still recovering from katrina. >> because of you, the people of new orleans working together, this city is moving in the right direction. and i have never been more confident that together we will get to where we need to go. you inspire me. >> joining me now, msnbc's trymaine lee joining us from new orleans. you were there ten years ago as a reporter for the "times," actually part of that pulitzer
prize winning team that covered the storm and the aftermath of it. so explain what you witness now a decade later and let's talk about it two fronts, the progress that's been made and if gaps that still remain to be filled. >> that's right, thomas. this has always been a city like no other. you can still, you know, eat good, drink good, and be free to be who you want to be and be your. it's also a city with very deep scars from ten years ago. there are communities that are traumatized. individuals that are traumatized. a lot has been made about the remaking of the schools. it's the nation's virtually first all charter school district. there are almost 26,000 students and young people between the age of 16 and 24 who are not in school or not employed. now the school system is all charter there are no more unions. that had been a pinnacle of black power in this community. black teachers have been able to unionize. so while there has been great improvement, there are some aspects of the city where there's been a steady tunnel of
funding where they've introduced new restaurants and entrepreneurs. still you go to the lower ninth ward, seventh ward, fifth ward, other communities throughout this city where these communities are pocked with overgrown lots, homes broken down, that means families broken down. 100,000 fewer african-americans in this city than before katrina. compared to just 11,000 whites. and so when you think about this broad tapestry that made new orleans new orleans of blacks and whites and creo and all the groups and peoples that came together to make this city what it has always been is in tatters. while it's great to point to the silver lining, point to progress, there are so many people in this community that have not had the benefit and luxury of that kind of progress. >> when we talk about pointing to progress, there needs to be i guess an area of time where we point to before katrina ever came about the issue and the struggle of poverty and then katrina being this gut punch that brought it into everybody's
home and so many of us were there to cover this and we were exposed to seeing how this city was expected to rebound after this. talk about the general mood of where the city is now. we get attention for the city because we have these commemorative moments where we look back and reflect on katrina. but we've got these presidential skr visits. bill clinton coming tomorrow, bush there today, obama there yesterday. what does that mean? >> i tell you what, this, thomas, has always been a very gritty city, resilient city. the people of this community is resilient like no other. while they are burdened by so much, there's always a sense that they can overcome anything. i think when you think about what president obama said yesterday, that before the storm there had been, you know, a community that was malnourished, he said, weakened. when the storm came it damaged greatly this community. but still they rise. and while katrina was an example of how government failed to protect its residents, that the recovery has highlighted how the
federal government can work with the people. so again, the hood is as it has always been, resilient but still burdened by so much. >> trymaine lee reporting in new orleans. thank you, sir appreciate it. breaking news on a federal judge in virginia has just sentenced 17-year-old to 11 years in prison for helping a classmate travel to syria in the hopes of joining isis. ali amen is the youngest person ever sent the prison for supporting the terror group. he pleaded guilty back in june. the maximum sentence would have been 15 years but the judge cited his youth and the fact that he had no prior criminal record. when we come back, our chuck todd is going to be joining me to talk things all about trump, bush, biden, and clinton. plus, a preview of this week's "meet the press." and will the jury in new hampshire in that prep school rape case be coming back with a decision before the weekend? we've got highlights from the testimony and live update just
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if you look at the polls, he's not really second anymore. he's fourth and fifth in a lot of the polls. and i have, you know, i've always assumed that he was going to be a primary competitor and i guess that's why i'm hitting him harder than others. you know, i like him. he's a nice person. he is a low-energy person. no question about it. >> donald trump on "morning joe" today hitting jeb bush. the donald has big weekend planned. private fund-raiser and media outside of boston tonight. speech in nashville tomorrow and maybe somewhere along the way most likely someone is going to ask him about this latest endorsement that has come his way. from david duke. today the white supremacist and former kkk grand wizard officially endorsed trump who still leads in the polls despite concerns about the type of voter that he is attracting.
chuck todd is moderator and managing editor of nbc's "meet the press" as well as nbc political director. and, chuck, trump remains teflon. he remains this gathering political storm. but -- and let's just be fair here about what it means about david duke. he wants nothing to with him. he doesn't want this endorsement if can he have it both ways by being out there with the rhetoric a that he puts out there, attracts the type of person that we know david duke is and then not worry about what that means for the type of people he's trying to rally and be his base? >> well, look, it's the last thing he needs. just ends up adding a -- adding a way for others to attack donald trump like look what you're doing, look what your rhetoric is stirring up, look what you're doing here. so i think it's -- it's certainly about the last thing he needs. and this was a challenge for instance, eight years ago, ron paul that white supremacist
groups show up at his events and would say he doesn't want thinking to do where him but they should show up anyway. they were attracted to his message and what he said. look, it becomes something that trump has to answer for. and that is uncomfortable for him. there's this line, he believes that being -- he's been the candidate against political correctness. this obviously takes ait a step further. >> we know the latino voting bloc is huge for 2016, especially for republicans. there's no way to get the white house without it. we've got jeb bush starting to directly attack donald trump now more and more. jeb being the more popular candidate among the latino voting bloc. today we get this attack coming from him after jeb bush was able to get the former house majority leader eric cantor's endorsem t endorsement. when we talking about the bush attacks where they landing any punches? is he getting any hooks in to trump? >> i don't think so yet but i
don't know if that's what jeb bush wants. i think what bush is trying to do is simply set himself up as the alternative for the other, say, 65% of the republican party that isn't yet supporting trump and may not want to support trump. i mean, you got to look at trump's numbers. i think this is the calculation the bush campaign has made. and we'll see if it works. if you look at trump's numbers, one hup% name id. everyone knows who he is. everybody has an idea of what he's for. so is his 30% to 35% an impressive number or is it -- as he starting to approach a ceiling? we thought 20% or 25% was a ceiling and now obviously to raise his ceiling a little bit. so we can't sit here and say that he doesn't have some room for growth. but jeb is not trying to land punches on trump to make trump go down. he is trying to take on trump to let the other part of the party know he's willing to do it. >> well, we shall see how it all plays out. the only thing we know we can get from donald trump the is to
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so we've got 2qu07ing details in the homicide investigations of local the news reporter alison parker and her photographer adam ward. they were shot and kill on live tv. exclusive video provided to nbc news gives us this inside look of the home of the gunman vester lee flanagan. the apartment nearly empty except for that, photos of himself covering the refrigerator. meanwhile, police found several items in flanagan's rental car. among those found in the vehicle, six magazines of ammo, to do list, 17 stamped letters. candace law is a retired fbi field profiler joining us now. candace, thanks for being here. i want everyone to see it, this exclusive video which shows the interior of the gunman's apartment. very stark, lonly, depressing. we only see pictures of himself posted on the refrigerator.
obviously he was someone who had a lot to deal with on a mental health front. but how does this tell anything to investigators about a spark for his motive? >> well, how are dwellings, how we keep our dwellings, how we live is frequently a reflection of what's going on in our lives. from the little that we do know, i would not expect him to have a beautiful place with thriving plants. that's not a good description of his personality or his mind. he was in some very, very dark days. and everything came to a head the other day when he decided to move forward. everything i've read about him appears to be a man who, although not seriously mentally ill, not paranoid schitzophrenic, he wasn't hearing voices. it appears to me that he very likely may have what's called
paranoid personality disorder. and that's basically a chink in the armor. for somebody that has paranoid personality disorder, their world view, if they could choose a or b interpretation of something, they will interpret whatever is happening as against them. >> i think we've seen that in his past work history. >> he apparently very much saw him -- >> i was going to say, candace, the past work history that he's demonstrated, which was spotty, that he was easily agrieved and then, if so, would become easily leg leg leg legitigoius. if we look at his car. wig, magazines of am in addition, stamped letters. does this mean that investigators will now look into this to see if there was a longer plan that this was maybe
the first stage of what he was doing or that this was just a prep kit for how he could successfully escape? >> well, it could be either, my guess is they're going to be find is that he had a more extended plan. but he was caught only when two to three hours later and decided to take himself out. usually in cases like this, the individual, the shooter, the killer, however it is, they're going to hurt people, they've already decided that they are not going to be taken by the police and they're going to kill themselves. the content of those 17 stamped letter, of course, will be very revealing. >> and we will all wait to see exactly what they show us when investigators decide that we are due to be informed. former fbi profiler candace, thanks. appreciate your time. breaking news story out of florida. federal appeals court has just
reversed an earlier ruling that's found the nsa's bulk collection of millions of americans' phone data was illegal. pete williams has details on the ruling. pete, forgive me. i said florida but i don't think i was correct on that. i've got erika on the brain. bring us up to speed about this ruling. >> right. washington, d.c. what happened here, first thing, this changes nothing. okay? nothing is going to change as
a result of w457d today. 2013, the end of the year, a federal judge said that the program is unconstitutional. this is the bulk data collection the nsa is collecting on all phone calls, the meta data number called and so forth. he put a hold on his ruling and that, the government appealed to the federal court of appeals. and today the court of appeals said we are going to lift that stay, we're going to send the case back to the trial judge to try again. two of the judges said that the people who sued here don't have any legal right to sue because
they can't prove that the nsa was taking their numbers, their verizon wireless customers and the only thing the governmented a have itted to is that verizon business was collecting the numbers. so the two of the judges say, you know, what -- they got to go back to the junl and see even whether these people have the right to be in court today. a different two of the three
judges said the case should probably be thrown out anyway. as a simple matter, it goes back to the judge. you know, the other thing is, this program is going to change anyway at the end of november when the government stops collecting the numbers and it shifts over to the telephone companies keeping the numbers and then if the government wants access it has to go ask the phone companies. so this lawsuit now is in pretty shaky condition. >> pete williams reporting for us from washington, d.c. pete, thank you, sir. appreciate it. we're getting new information coming out of new hampshire right now in a case we've been following which is the prep school trial. this is the information from
the -- we're getting information that there is a verdict, that the jury is going to be coming back in. h is the oh wean labrie trial taking place in confocord, new hampshi hampshire. he was accused of raping a then 15-year-old girl who was an underclass man at the school. he was senior, graduating from st. paul's, which is an elite prep school, boarding school there in new hampshire. and then moving on to an ivy league college. this young woman came forward to claim she had been sexually assaulted, raped by labrie. the testimony unearthed a lot of interesting and somewhat very uncomfortable information for the school of st. paul's, that they had a time honored tradition of something called the senior salute, where many of the senior young men would compete to sexually score with as many underclass men as they can before they actually graduated. now, this young woman, we are not identifying her. we don't identify victims. but she revealed the fact that she was a target of owen labrie
that he was interested in her. his own technology, data device, facebook messages revealed there had been a history of behavior of him pursuing her for some type of sexual conquest. but his defense team has claimed that this was a form of regret on the young girl's part. that after any type of sexual interlude, that this young woman had deep regret about it and that that's why she came up with these rape allegations. now, the young woman gave very, very emotional testimony about exactly what happened. the only witness to testify in owen labrie's defense was labrie himself. my colleague francis rivera back now with some of the more dramatic moments from that courtroom testimony. >> a handful of the dramatic moments as we await this verdict. we will go back to that. keep in mind the center of this case, so-called senior salute you were talking about, the tradition at st. paul's school and on his first day in court,
as we go back a couple of weeks ago and bring you those moments, remember that 19-year-old owen labrie faced his accuser whose identity we are not disclosing and whose voice we have distorted. let's listen to that. >> do you see owen in the courtroom today? >> yes, i do. yes, ma'am. >> just to wrap this up. the following day afters that even more dramatic and emotional testimony, the prosecutor asked the accuser to detail the alleged on-campus assault. >> i didn't want any of this. i was so confused. i didn't know what else i could do. i had already said no. and i already moved his face physically. i didn't know what else he could understand from that. >> of course labrie has pleaded not guilty to all the charges, school nurse testified the accuser sought her out two days after the alleged assault and let's listen to that testimony. >> did you talk about whether
the intercourse was consensual or not? >> yes, i did ask her those questions. and she said that it was consensual, that it was not coerced. >> the nurse's testimony appears to conflict with the accuser who said the sex was not consensual. labrie told police that he did not have sex with the accuser because of a moment of, quote, divine inspiration. a friend testified about a conversation between him and labrie. >> what did he say to you? >> i was congratulating him on graduating and it came up that he had had sex with [ bleep ] a previous night. >> what is it exactly that you remember him saying to you? >> he told me that he had sex with [ bleep ]. >> and this week labrie took the stand. he testified he lied to friends about having sex with the accuser. all in order to boast about it. >> they all came up to my room looking to congratulate me and give me high fives. and, you know, it was -- you
know, i said, yeah, you know, to make myself look better to these boys. you know, it was, as i mentioned, a little bit uncomfortable and it was easier for me to go, yeah, yeah, and change the subject or, you know, yeah, please don't tell anyone, than to try to talk to all of these boys about it. what had actually happened. >> that leads us today, thomas, the prosecution and defense made closing arguments. yesterday the jury received that case. they've been in deliberations and as we now are reporting that jury has reached a verdict awaiting that any moment, tom. >> everybody will get reassembled in that courtroom. thank you. we want to take you back now no minneapolis. hillary clinton wraps up her speech before the summer meeting of the dnc and taking reporter questions dealing with her e-mail server. >> if you're asking for someone's e-mails to be made public, because of a request or any other reason, and it was on the unclassified account that an
official used for work-related e-mails. so, look, i have said repeatedly that i did not send nor receive classified material and i'm very confident that when this entire process plays out, that will be understood by everyone. it will prove what i have been saying. and it's not possible for people to look back now some years in the past and draw different conclusions than the ones that were at work at the time. you can make different decisions because things have changed, circumstances have changed, but it doesn't change the fact that i did not send or receive material marked classified.
>>. [ inaudible ] total that's committed to you? >> we are working really hard to lock in as many supporters as possible. and of course that would include superdelegates. that's part of our strategy, to win the nomination. we're going to continue to do that. and i am heartened by the positive response that i'm getting. hi. >> quite a response you got in there. can you talk a bit about both your own interactions with the numbers here and the degree to which your operation has been a must -- [ inaudible ] attempt to send a signal to your
potential challenges that you're very far ahead? >> you know, ann, i think it's more of a result of the lessons that i learned the last time, how important it is to be as well organized and focused from the very beginning on delegates, those who are superdelegates, those who are going eventually be elected or named as delegates. and i'm very encouraged by the kind of response that i'm getting. i have had the chance to meet with quite a few of the superdelegates who are here and other dnc officials and members. and they have had a lot of interaction with my team and we have answered a lot of calls about how to become involved and there have been a lot of public endorsements, more will follow. but this is really ability how you put the numbers together to
secure the nomination. as some of you might recall, in 2008 i got a lot of votes but i didn't -- i didn't get enough delegates. and so i think it's understandable that my focus is going to be on delegates as well as votes this time. >> secretary clinton. >> hi. >> i'm curious. sounds like you have frustration with the possibility of process right now. are you frustrated with igo in the house being operated and do you think there needs to be reforms and classification system, also carried us -- i'm hearing from some of your backers, looking forward very much to the october hearing on benghazi. what do you hope to achieve during that? >> you know, i am -- i'm not frustrated. i'm just trying to explain for people who have never had to follow this before, that it is
complicated and that there is nothing unique about the process that is being conducted about my e-mails. this is what happens any time something is -- any time there is another reason why it -- information should be made public. and there is a process that has been followed for me and for everybody else. as part of that process, people weigh in. i think that it's a little confusing and i certainly understand why for the press and for the public to try to make sense of this, like something wasn't classified in 2009-2010 but maybe now it should. but if you've been around the process you know that that's not uncommon. maybe when we get all this behind us, people should say, hey, let's take a deep breath here and try and figure out, is that the best process. right now it doesn't frustrate me. it's just the reality.
i'm trying to do a better job of explaining to people what's going on, so that there's not all of this, you know, concern and there's some sense made out of the confusion and to answer people's questions. with respect to the appearance before the committee, i think this will be, by my count, the eighth committee in the congress that has looked into the tragic events in benghazi. i have been saying for nearly a year, i am more than willing, eager, ready to go up and testify. i offered dates in the spring and early summer. and when they came back with alternative dates i immediately said, i'll be there. and i will be there. and i hope that this will be the last effort by some in the congress to politicize the tragic events of benghazi and
that we do what all the other investigations, both the congressional ones and the independent one, and press. and others who have examined this, we will do what we can to make sure it doesn't happen again. and that's always been my focus. >> how would you plan on dealing with 11 million undocumented immigrants in the u.s.? >> well, i'm glad you asked me that. >> thank you. >> because i know that there are some on the other side who are seriously advocating to deport 11, 12 million people who are working here. i find at the height of irony that a party which espouses small government would want to unleash a massive law enforcement effort, including perhaps national guard and others, to go and literally pull
people out of their homes and their workplaces, round them up, put them, i don't know, in buses, boxcars, in order to take them across our border. i just find that not only absurd but appalling. and that's why i support comprehensive immigration reform. i have for years. i supported it when i was in the senate. i support it very strongly now. and it was a deep disappointment to me that when there was a bipartisan agreement voted on by the senate to do just what we needed, a comprehensive immigration reform, that included an earned path to citizenship, that the house would not even give it a vote. so i will -- i will oppose in every way i can what i consider to be nothing but a political stunt and will also raise questions as i am doing today
about what the realities of that kind of claim actually boxcars? >> thank you. thank you, secretary clinton. back to the delegate counting are you at all concerned about the buzz of potential vice president joe biden candidacy is leading some democrats here to hold off pledging their support for you? >> i haven't seen any evidence of that. we have picked up additional supporters yesterday and even today, so i can only run my campaign. i cannot speak for other potential candidates or current candidates. but i can only tell you based on what is happening around me that my campaign and i are working on, i see no evidence of that. >> secretary clinton, i wonder if you could answer a couple of questions. one would be -- were you aware that -- thank you.
were you aware that your husband wanted to give hate speeches to op pressive regimes like north korea? do you have any comment on these new analysis that have raised questions conflict of interest guarding -- i wonder, you said there's nothing unique about this situation before. can you name one other cabinet secretary who had their own server? >> let me answer one of your questions because i think that's what you're entitled to and the first question that you asked about the process that was set up in my years as secretary of state was for any request that my husband received to be sent to the state department. to be vetted. so it didn't matter where it was coming from. it was going to go to the state department. and there were some unusual requests. but they all went through the process to try to make sure that
the state department conducted its independent review. he did neither of those speeches. but, ed, i will say this. you might not recall but president obama sent my husband to north korea to rescue the two journalists who had been captured. this was after a painstaking negotiation. to try to convince the north korean leader to release these two young women. and every offer we made, every diplomat over chture we made we rebuffed and finally the north koreans said if bill clinton comes we'll give him the two journalists. we thought about it. obviously, the president and i and others analyzed it. we wanted those young women home and we said, okay. i tell you that because that was
a successful mission that accomplished its purpose. now, i think it's beyond unlikely that the state department, not involving me, but that the state department would say, you know, we think it's a good idea for you to go back. and see what more you can find out. see what you can pick up. now, in the end, that was not something my husband wanted to do and it was not something that the state department wanted him to do. it never happened. but i'm just telling you we had a process so that all of these requests would be vetted. it would be highly unlikely that it would be a positive response. yes, we want you to go. but not totally beyond the realm of possibility. so, you know, that's the way we did it. we tried to really be as careful and thoughtful in that process and this is another example of how it worked. thank you all very much. thank you.
>> all right. so listening to hillary clinton there talking with reporters after her speech to the summer conference of the dnc. fielding several questions there dealing with when we dipped in dealing with the e-mail situation down to talking about and coming full circle again back to her husband and his diplomatic accomplishments with going over to north korea when those two journalists were captured an bringing them back home. but she said in her own words, i'm trying to do a better job of explaining this to people. nbc's carrie dann is following this conference with me and how do you think hillary clinton did in conveying not being frustrated, in conveying, yes, this is complicated and keeping her cool and being peppered with the questions? >> well, this was certainly a last contentious, thomas, the last time we saw her facing the press and saw a little bit of a change in her tone in recent days. she's accepted responsibility
sort of making the choice to use that private e-mail server. now, there's a lot of democrats who say, well, that's great but she should have said that a long time ago. that said, this was a little bit more of a calm tone. this, by the way, with her with all of the members of the dnc gave an address to the group earlier, as well, this is kind of her crowd. she got an overwhelmingly positive reaction from the crowd and showing strength. the questions in the press conference about the delegates and super delegates she has gained support from in recent days and obviously as there's continuing speculation of vice president biden maybe jump boog the race and a moment for her to be around fellow democrats and show her has the qualifications she believes she has to be a strong democratic nonominee. >> thinking about hillary clinton recalculating, especially her perception being reality approach to campaigning
and thinking about whether or not a joe biden is going to get in to the race, a lot of the biden calculation is about whether or not the e-mail situation is going to trip up a hillary clinton to provide the pathway in. how much of this is a wait and see game for joe biden right now as he sees how hillary clinton is dealing with explaining away what it means for the e-mail and the appearance before the benghazi committee? >> the decision is not just about money. it is not just about polling. this is a very deeply personal decision for him. he's been in public service his entire life. by passing on a run now and conceding the political career is over and part of the calculation here. if you look at polling, though, he is not somebody who has as much of a natural constituency, right? there's not a group of democrats waiting in the wings with open arms making sense to jump in with. however, he is definitely a
second choice of democrats when you ask over and over in national polls, those who say i like hillary clinton, bernie sanders, he is every time who's the second choice? he is definitely that person and some ways by having this conversation with himself and among his advisers and dragging it out a little bit, he is certainly leaving some time to see how everything with hillary clinton and the e-mail controversy continues to play out and if there are further, you know, things that he and his team perceive as putting clinton's strength in jeopardy, that will be part of his calculation going forward. >> thank you so much, carrie. i want to give you an update on what we have been listening and watching for. tell verdict in the owen what brie case. he is found guilty in a felony issue, charged against him of computer felony charges. however, not guilty when it comes to the three charges of any type of felony sexual assault. although the nonfelony sexual
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welcome back, everybody. breaking news out of the new hampshire where we finally have the verdict being read in the owen labrie case, the 19-year-old that faced nine different charges allegedly sexually assaulting a freshman at the elite st. paul's school. right now, the breakdown as we have it is mixed from this jury of nine men and three women. they just returned. jamie novogrod is outside the courthouse to break down what it means and the most serious of charges, jamie, found not guilty as i understand it. >> reporter: yes. he was found not guilty on the three most grave charges facing him, thomas. three felony sexual assault charges which each carried penalties of up to 20 years in prison. all of those, found not guilty and pointed out before the
break, he was found guilty on a lesser felony of a computer to solicit or lure or seduce a minor and found guilty on three misdemeanor sexual assault charges and on one charge also a misdemeanor of endangering the welfare of a child. the jury had the case for about eight hours. they were given the case yesterday afternoon. and yesterday in closing arguments, we heard summations of each side's case. the defense attacked the credibility of the girl. they argued that she was a willing participant that night and she said -- and the defense said rather that she made up the allegations in order to shield herself from school gossip. the defense also said that school culture played a part and both boy and girl here felt pressure to con frm to a hook-up culture on campus and that their meeting was part of a school tradition where graduating seniors asked out younger students.
prosecutors said that the defendant made his own decisions and lured deliberately this girl up to a secluded area, the roof top of that math and sciences building and carried out the alleged assault. the assault where the defendant has now been found guilty on the misdemeanor charges. labrie as he testified earlier this week said that the two had a consensual meeting. he said that he did not have sex with the accuser although he acknowledged that he had left certain friends of his believing that he had and he said that was because he felt pressure to boast to them. meantime, the school has said as we all know by now, the school said has said that the allegations are not emblematic of the school's values or come chur, thomas. >> jamie, real quickly, though, for what we understand of the convictions on misdemeanors, again, not guilty on the most serious of charges here, the
felony crimes. but are they going to hold a bail hearing right away? what do they do? what's the next step? >> reporter: we'll see. earlier we were advised if he's found to be guilty on the misdemeanor charge that is a bail hearing would be held immediately afterward. so that's likely to happen. not clear because this is all happening as i speak. but the court officials did say a bail hearing would be held and were bail to be revoked he would be brought to a will call county jail. but all of this as i say is happening as i report it back to you, thomas. >> okay. for those of us viewers just joining us, taking place in conco concord, new hampshire. this is the trial of 19-year-old owen labrie. he was the high school senior at st. paul's which is an elite boarding school in new hampshire accused of sexually assaulting a younger underclass girl. she came forward with these allegations and been a back and forth, he said, she said.
the prosecution going after this young man, painting him as a predator trying to sexually score collectively with as many young women as he could before graduating, something on the campus of st. paul's called the senior salute. a lot of people knew about the culture, knew about the phrase, knew what that meant. but this young man according to his friends bragged about the interaction and the sexual intercourse that he had with this young accuser. we are not identifying the accuser and we have chosen to distort her voice if you do hear any of the testimony playback. right now, we are waiting to see exactly how court is going to be advancing but this is a jury made up of nine men and three women. and they have come back on these nine charges. as our jamie novogrod was telling us, to the future of owen labrie, not guilty coming to the most serious of those charges which were three different ones of aggravated felony assault.
but we'll wait to see exactly what this means as the case moves forward for the fact that he was found guilty and we'll go over this endangering the welfare of a child, guilty. sexual assault, a misdemeanor, guilty. another class a misdemeanor sexual assault charge, guilty. and then another one, at the time knowing that the female juvenile was 13 years of age or older and under the age of 16, found guilty. and then the ninth charge being that of using computer services, a class "b" felony, guilty. now, this was in reference to the fact that he was yoozing computer technology to make contact with this young woman and also it came out in trial that he deleted over 119 facebook messages and he deleted those based on the advice of his mother. so let's talk more about this as we wait to see how court is going to proceed here. prosecutor is on set with me. a ri melber is also with me.
ari, let's start with you. where it comes to where this case goes from here and avoided guilt about the felony charges, this is still very serious in the count here of the fact that they were able to find him guilty of five different things. >> that's right. this is definitely a split decision for folks who have been following this case, it's had a lot of the qualities of other controversial sexual assault and rape cases where there was a big disagreement between the parties about the interaction itself. this young man claiming the entire time that, a, there was not actual intercourse, and b, there was consent with regard to the sexual content that did take place. this young woman, who was 15-year-old at the time, under the legal age of consent in new hampshire said on the stand and elsewhere, this was rape. she tried to say no repeatedly. she convoyed that verbally under new hampshire law. that is the kind of protest that can constitute a rape. what the jury just said right
now in this breaking news is essentially there was reasonable doubt as to that consent, the serious rape charges, known in new hampshire as felonious sexual assault. all that said looking in the courtroom see the defense attorney j.w. carney there with the client owen labrie, not at all in the clear facing guilty counts here on five counts. one of them still a felony as you mentioned regarding using a computer to lure a minor. i should mention that is a charge people often associate more with ped feel yeah or going after a minor you may not know. in this case, the problem in the eyes of law while he did know this individual, she was under the legal age of consent, under 16 in new hampshire, thomas. that goes to the other misdemeanor assault charges. she was too young making it statutory sexual assault in the eyes of the jury. >> as you point out in the state of new hampshire she was too young to give legal consent to any form of penetration.
but this was going to be a really big bar for the prosecution to cross over to confirm to this jury that there wasn't any type of reasonable doubt because date rape cases are very, very hard to prove when it comes to that. bob is a former prosecutor, you probably know this all too well. when you hear about the jury of nine men and three women, are you surprised by the split decision? because you had some insight about men jurors being different than women jurors on a female victim. >> yeah. we have to take all the things into consideration trying a case and i go back to the robert kennedy case i believe in florida with 12 women and those women interestingly came out on a not guilty verdict and saying the victim should not have brought herself in that location, gone on the beach if you recall that case. there's different ways men and women look at the cases and my experience has been that men are actually harder on male defendants than the females are so i found that this was
definitely an interesting jury selection pick. >> yeah. definitely interesting and also the fact that according to the public information officer in new hampshire, very odd for juries to go in to weekend deliberations and we see that after lunchtime they're now back. they devoted about eight hours to the case and deliberating over these nine charges. >> yeah. you know, i didn't think it was a difficult case. it's interesting because the defendant took the stand when he didn't have to and had the opportunity of evaluating the credit bltd of the defendant and the victim themselves. juries typically do on a friday, pretty well convinced and get lunch and i said to the staff before we come on, i wouldn't doubt they'll be here with a verdict soon. in this case what i found interesting, thomas, was that they didn't believe to certain extents both the victim as well as the defendant. the defendant had made statements previous to the pril.
the victim made statements previous to the trial and neither one explained away the statements. so the defendant won because he didn't get convicted of the most serious charges and essentially the jury saying they didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt she didn't consent and the prosecution won on the fact he couldn't get away from statements he had sex with her and his dna was in her underwear. >> i think that's right and looking at the charges, we have to remember this is a defense strategy by j.w. carney, a well-known attorney here, that basically went to play defense on those felony charges, put him on the stand. a big risk. obviously, paid off on the felony charges and essentially as a defense matter didn't contest in any great way the other misdemeanors. because, again, she's too young. so the only defense to that is that it department happen and unlike a felony rape charge and the defense may be it's consensual intercourse or different or reasonable doubt as to what occurred.
they didn't defend that and say on the misdemeanor charges that this didn't occur. in a sense, this was a case that was a little unnushl that one regard that they weren't really trying to contest that. the only other weird part of this for people is computer part and we mentioned which is a felony and the judge can look to that and make a sentencing case later on. this is a case where they threw everything they had of keeping this young man from the serious charges to give him 10, 20, 30 years in prison. >> coming down to sentencing, ari, for that more serious the fact that they found him guilty coming to the computer crimes, what does that mean? is that the one where he's likely to receive the harshest of punishment or something else to deal with the fact it was simple assault or endangering the welfare of a child? >> that is the charge, the felony charge to bring potentially a greater amount of incarceration. in other words, the other four misdemeanor charges contemplate
up to a year in jail. which, obviously, still a significant punishment in the eyes of the law and the felony charge could bring more and ultimately addressed at a later date and as we know, things can be appealed, as well. i think the headline here for a trial that touched on more than just these two individuals but also the culture and the tradition and some of the mo sonlg nis uncomfortable overtones of the prep school culture is all of that was used more by the defense to sew doubt sow doubt than the prosecution and look at this inside the courtroom, beyond the courtroom, a community to think about the so-called traditions, thomas. >> all right. so if you're just joining us, owen labrie found guilty on fifth different charges, not guilty on four different of the nine charges against him. most importantly, that he was found not guilty on three of the
felony sexual assault charges against him. we'll wait for more guidance on what this means for sentencing. again, because the jury came back and found him guilty of five different charges. ari melber, thank you. bob, thank you so much. now the fact we understand alison parker's parents speaking live coming up here in virginia. alison being the 24-year-old wdbj roertd that was murdered live on television during a television interview. the other morning along with her cameraman and see him there, adam ward and lost his life. 27 years old. alison's parents will be speaking and her dad is a strong advocate for gun control. what's their latest message in we'll have that live. can you spot the difference? the wind farm on the right was created using digital models and real world location-based specs that taught it how to follow the wind. so while the ones on the left are waiting, the ones on the right are pulling power out of thin air.
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breaking news of a tragic death of a reporter and photo journalists, the parents of alison parker will speak in front of the tv station where their daughter worked, that's the wdbj television studio. two hours over the governor of virginia visited the employees of the station and offered condolences to the colleagues of parker and ward still grappling with the senseless and tragic loss but after the governor's visit he used the opportunity to continue to push his message on gun control, particularly regarding background checks. >> the point is are we doing everything that we possibly can to keep our communities as safe as possible? if we could have background checks and one individual next week, next month or next year is prohibited from buying a firearm and we save a life, then it's worth doing it. >> also today, video provided
exclues live to nbc news shows the nearly empty interior of vester flanagan's apartment. flanagan being the gunman in the shooting and also shows pictures of himself. they were plastered on the refrindge ray or the and learnig what police found in the represent call car. six magazines of ammunition, a to-do list and 17 stamped letters. joining me is reporter adam reiss. let's talk about the expectation from alison parker's parents. what are we expecting to hear? andy parker has made a lot of tv interviews. i don't know i've seen alison's mom yet. >> reporter: right. both of them are inside, thomas. they've been inside for almost three hours now. sharing their grief with her former colleagues, talking about all the stories she did here in roanoke. but make no mistake. andy parker is here to discuss gun control. he says he's on a mission. he's determined. this will be alison's legacy.
he wants to do something regarding background checks. and he also met with the governor, the governor was here about an hour ago saying that they're on the same page. that they both want to do something here in the state of virginia in terms of legislation, a push forward some type of a legislation that this type of a situation, a shooting like this, won't happen again if there are mental health issues, that person will not be able to purchase a gun, at least here in virginia, thomas. >> meanwhile, coming to the issue of vester flanagan, what are we finding out about him and if they want to use this situation as a catalyst for stronger gun control, it seems that the reporting that we have from our pete williams and the rest that we have been able to confirm nothing would have stopped flanagan from being able to purchase those two glocks. >> reporter: right. he was able to purchase them legally even though he did have some sort of a traffic ticket. we're also learning more about the very troubled time here at wdbj. he arrived actually with good
references despite the fact that he had been let go from two previous television stations. the general manager here saying maybe they should have done a more thorough background check and then things went downhill quickly. performance issues. anger issues. he had a fight with another correspondent. he ran into some photographers he was sprg problems with, almost got physical. warned on numerous occasions. told to seek counsels. he did and got worse and and worse and worse and decided to fire him. he said you f you're going to fire me i'm going to make a stink and you might want to call police. police came here and dragged him out. on the way out, he was giving to a wooden cross to the news director and said you'll need this. strangely enough, he left here in 2013. for the past two years, he's been living literally across the
street. that was something that was quite concerning for many employees here at wdbj. >> interesting new detail to all of us. adam, thank you. and we'll take everybody back live to roanoke, virginia, when alison parker's parents speak but joining us right now from chicago, eugene o'neill from john jay college and we have been looking at the video of the gunman's apartment. stark and depressing and very sad. about the type of existence this person was living and as adam reiss points out, doing so within a stone's throw from the tv he worked and then fired. so what type of profile is being painted here as we see the living conditions of vester flanagan? >> i'm not sure bad housekeeping and poor choice of interior
decorating is kind of profile issue going forward. the problem with these cases often is that it's only looking backwards after the events that you can start to put together the circumstantial evidence that suggests maybe this guy was dead ending. maybe this guy had no plan to be with us any longer after he did what he did. such a difficult issue here because isolating people that are even threatening often there's a huge number of people just make threats and don't carry them out. >> right. >> and then a subset of people that just act. and that's one of your issues. sometimes the most lethal people simply get up and do their thing and so we can't make more out of this than we have in terms of trying to project people i think somebody suggested there was a narcissistic personality. you can't have a watch list for that. one sure thing is we have to do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them and the criteria is insufficient. we have to close that gap. there are people and he may not
have been in that group. there are a lot of angry people that are out there threatening who have to be identified and cannot have guns. the threshold is too low for denying people guns who should not get guns. >> we saw governor mcauliffe talking about that today and we expect the parkers, that is the parents of alison parker, to be speaking to people after they visit with the former colleagues there at wdbj. thank you. i want to people aware we'll go back to wdbj whether the parkers take to the microphones. a lot of eyes on tropical storm erica as that moves through the caribbean. at least a dozen dead in dominica. what's florida doing and preparing? will it be hit, as well? we'll talk about the storm's track after this. when i started at the shelter, i noticed benny right away. i just had to adopt him. he's older so he needs my help all day.
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jooesh welcome back, everybody. moments ago hillary clinton addressed reporters gathered in minneapolis for the democrats' annual summer meeting and once again she addressed the elephant in the room about her campaign. that is the ongoing questions surrounding the controversy about e-mails, sent via her private e-mail server. >> it's a little confusing and i certainly understand why. for the press and for the public. to try to make sense of this, like something wasn't classified in 2009, 2010. but maybe now it should. but if you've been around the process, you know that that's not uncommon. maybe when we get all this behind us, people should say, hey, let's take a deep breath here and try to figure out is that the best process? that's the reality. i'm trying to do a better job of explaining to people what's going on. >> all right. so is it working? the media availability came
after clinton spoke to the assembled democrats there, four of the five declared candidates are speaking today. clinton and former governor lincoln chaffey spoken and martin o'malley very short lain in clinton's speech she talked about donald trump and donald trump's hair. take a listen. >> they're pretty much the same. they're trump without the pizazz or the hair. and i got to add. you know, a lot of people have said a lot of things over my hair over the years so i do kind of know what donald is going through. and if anyone wonders if mine is real, here's the answer. the hair is real. the color isn't. >> so we have equal opportunity hair jokes taking place on both sides of those interested in running for the white house.
joining me from minneapolis is msnbc political reporter alex seitz-wold. let's talk about the reaction. how well is hillary clinton doing on the campaign trail sounding calm, cool and collected about being pressed on it? >> reporter: well, thomas, generally, i would say she's been very well received here and not surprising she secured the support of most of the people in the room -- >> hey, alex. alex? let me -- let me interrupt a second. i promised to the viewers to go to virginia when the parkers took the microphone there. let's listen in. >> a lot of media here over the last couple of days and it's been -- well, i haven't watched it but i'm sure you have and it's been gut wrenching for me to try to get through anything without breaking down in tears and today was probably the worst because this was alison's home.
her home station. and i -- you know, met the people she worked with and the people that really loved her. and it was -- profoundly difficult for me. but i think that the grief and the outpouring of sympathy has just been not only here but around the world has been incredible. i mean, incredible. you know, for alison and for adam. alison, alison was a force of nature. she was an absolute force of nature. and i think that her life is going to have meaning not just as a journalist but if we can affect meaningful changes in our
gun laws here, you know, this senseless act, this senseless murder will not go in vain. and as i think you all know, this has been my mission an i'm taking it up. and i was pleased that the governor of virginia has stepped up and is right there with me. and i would encourage other politicians to be as courageous as he. and so that's the plan. i'm not going to let this drop. as i've told many of you, around the country and around the world, the people that i've spoken with, you know, each time you think there's a tipping point with sandy hook or aurora and then nothing gets done. i know you guys have to do your job. look. my daughter was a journalist and she would want me here doing the story. i'm doing this for her.
as journalists i saw a piece that dan rather wrote, actually, the day of the murder. and he said, our profession, meaning journalism, we are not doing our jobs staying on point with this and keeping this on the front burner, not the back burner. this stuff cannot go away. you cannot let this die. and i know you've got other news to report on but this can't be the story for three days and then, you know, oh gee, well, let's see what donald trump has to say next week or what's donald trump doing? you guys -- she was one of you. she was one of you. she was in the fraternity. she was a journalist. and, frankly, you guys should be concerned because when we're out here like this, i mean, everybody's a target. everybody's a target. so you got to be -- you got to be with me on this. and we've got to do whatever we can to hold these people's feet
to the fire and not be afraid of the nra fighting this -- fighting any kind of reasonable legislation tooth and nail. we're not trying to take people's guns away. all we want to do is keep crazy people are getting guns. and there's got to be a way to do it. and i'm going to dig down in the weeds and start to learn the process. it's too raw for me yet. but i guarantee you somebody's got the answer for this. and somebody's got a reasonable answer for this and i'm going to find it and make it happen. >> andy, the point's been made your daughter's killer passed a background check and legally bought his weapon. maybe this is a deeper, more layered issue -- >> it -- i think it is. >> how do you know if someone is mentally unsnabl. >> we have to find out. we have got to do -- if there are warning signs, you know, the's got to be a way. you know, we can solve that problem but we need to at least
start by having background checks. you know, let's just -- let's take the small steps first and let's, you know, let's close the loopholes on people being able to get guns at these gun shows. i mean, there are reasonable initiatives out there and reasonable proposals that have been made. you know? who needs a -- you know, who -- the state of the legislature in virginia passed a law that you could buy a, you know, a machine gun. i mean, who the hell needs a machine gun to go hunt? i just -- i don't get it. >> you talk about a tipping point. what makes you think or how do you think you can make this the tipping point to change things after all those other massacres and shootings? >> well, i'm hoping that this time is different. she is one of you guys. she's one of you guys. and not that that makes you special but, you know, you have
a voice. and you need to use that voice and we need to keep the pressure on the politicians to not be afraid of the nra. i mean, listen. the best thing that the nra could do right now most of their members support reasonable gun control. the membership does. but the politicians that they get -- give money -- get money from the nra, they don't do anything. and it's time that we hold these people's feet to the fire. and shame them wherever we can. and i want the look these -- i want to go to the virginia legislature and i want them to look me in the eye and tell me why can't we have a reasonable proposal, any reasonable background check? you know, the things that common sense dictates. i want them to look me in the eye and tell me why they don't want to support that. >> have you reached out to the nra? >> i have not. but i plan to. and -- >> what have you seen in background to cause him to not
have a gun? never charged with anything, never committed. >> you know, i don't know the answer to that question other than he had a history of -- he was disturbed. you know? he had to be escorted out of this building when he was -- when he was -- when he was let go. so, you know, there are warning signs out there that reasonable people can take a look at and go, wait a minute. you know? there's a problem here. with these other shootings, with sandy hook. you know? there are problems that you can look at. and there's no guarantee. look, it's -- you know, wearing a seat belt, you know, if you drive around in a car and we all need to be wearing seat belts but that's no guarantee that it's going to save us from an accident and getting killed. i mean, you know, but we got to do something. it's a step. and that's really right now that's all i'm advocating. let's just enact reasonable gun
control measures and do something reasonable and then, you know, tackle the mental health. part of that is the mental health issue. we have to be able to, you know, when there are warning signs, and again, i'm no expert. there are smarter people to figure this out. but there's got to be a reasonable way for us to do this. >> did your daughter ever express concern over the current state of gun laws and not to -- not the reporter but your daughter. >> she, you know, listen. i don't own a gun. we don't have a gun in the family. i'll probably have to get one. sad to say but, you know? i -- unfortunately, that's just the world we live in. pardon me? >> why do you say you need to get a gun? >> when you're in the media, as you know and when you're, you know, taking on an issue like this, there are a lot of people that take exception to what you're saying.
so i will probably have to do that. >> did you ever receive threats, sir? >> i have not. i don't want to take any chances. >> did you share this passion with you -- >> she, she was always concerned only because, you know, she knew like all of you know when you're visible and you're in the public eye, you could be conceivably be a target. but, you know, did she consciously dwell on that or was she always saying, gee, i think that, you know, my life is in danger? no. she didn't live like that. she lived with -- her life was full of joy. and she always saw the best in people. and she touched so many people and that's why they loved her. and she just -- this was a -- something like this would never occur to her. you know? it's different than, you know, suggesting, okay, dad, i want to, you know, i want to go to
iraq to cover, you know, the war on terror and to cover isil. that's not something she wanted to do. she was good at hard news, prior station and you can ask the news director down there. i mean, she -- that's what she enjoyed that. but she also loved what she was doing here. it was a complete -- it was totally different. but something that she enjoyed doing and she never would have anticipated anything like this. so no. i mean, that was never in the back of her mind. >> can you tell us about your visit to the station today? how it went? who you spoke with. how difficult this was. >> i spoke with the governor and his wife. they were gracious enough to come here and, again, i have -- i think he's done a great job as governor and i even have a more newfound profound respect for him.
he is -- he's a guy that, you know, is going to -- he means what he says. he's not afraid 0 stand up. you know, he's grown a pair. dwael, he already had a pair and i wish other politicians would do the same thing. i have not heard a word -- you know, the first official to call me was terry mcauliffe. i have not heard a word from senator cane, i have not heard a word from senator warner. i see the tweets. i understand that. i appreciate that. i knew those two guys. they campaigned with me when i ran for the house of delegates and very disappointing that senator cane and senator warner haven't at least, you know, given me a call and, number one, and come out against this. and i think it's part of it is that, you know, they're as politicians we live in a very conservative state. but again, it's time to do
something. it's time to do something, folks. you know? stand up. take a stand. and do something. >> would you have advocated for your daughter to have a firearm before this even happened? >> no. not really. because, you know, as i said, if she were -- all right. you know, i'm going the use you guys as an example right here. you know? if you had an ak-47 strapped to your waist right now, do you think you'd see somebody coming behind you to attack you? no. you wouldn't. there's no way you do it. you know why? because you're focused on me, on your job. your photographers are focused on their job. they wouldn't see it coming. it wouldn't have made any difference. >> and the station has suspended live shots for -- >> sure. >> for photographers here outside the building indefinitely. >> exactly. you know why? because there's some crazy that's going to say, wow.
i i could do that. i could be on national television. i'm going to do that. you know? it's the copycat. >> not -- >> it's a copycat. that's why i say you guys need to worry about that stuff and that's why you guys need to be with me and i challenge the president yesterday. i was interviewed by the bbc america and the journalist asked me what, you know, the biggest -- the biggest concern that president obama had and he thought his biggest failure was the fact that he was not able to enable gun laws and the question was, well, do you think, you know, do you think any president could do it? i said, absolutely. because nobody thought he would pass health care reform. nobody thought he could get a deal done with iran. nobody thought he'd open up the doors of cuba. i said of course he can.
he's not up for re-election. i looked in the camera and i said, mr. president, it's time for you to take a stand and do this. help me. i will help you do this. >> sir, this is an indelicate question. could you say anything about alison's arrangements at this point? >> i appreciate your delicate -- we -- the -- we're having a -- it's celebration of life on monday with family and friends. you know? for obvious reasons, you know, we can't really disclose where this is going to be because, you know, unless it's part of the news organizations, we would be glad to share that with you if you kept it private but, you know, we would have all kinds of well wishers i'm sure and then also have people that probably didn't -- would not need to be there and then she -- alison was always -- she loved the river
and she, you know, she was a great athlete. you know? as you all know, anything she touched she did it well. and anything she touched and she was a great paddler. we just got back from a weekend from nanahalo and near bryson city and she loved it an one of the places that she thought that she and chris were going to get married. so, at some point we're going to go down there with her arables and -- and that's where she would want to be in the river. sorry. you all have any other questions? >> strangers have been coming all day leaving signs of support for your daughter and for her work partner. what would you tell them? >> i would express my
appreciation. you know, as you can imagine, i've not watched -- i've not turned the television on or my laptop. my phone is exploding with messages and, you know, i'm trying to get around to reaching everyone. and old friends. but from what i have heard just like you said, the outpouring of affection is not just here. i'm getting messages worldwide. i mean, nationwide. worldwide. this has struck such an emotional cord. that's why i think, you know, it's different this time, folks. it's different this time. and you guys have got to help me make a difference. and i think it's, you know, i think people -- i would hope that people are not going to just say, gosh, isn't this -- become immune to it. and say, oh gosh, when's for dinner tonight, honey? we can't let that happen. i think that's why you're seeing the outpouring of affection for
her here. and across the world. i mean, i heard about friends of mine out in california that they're holding a candle light vigil for in los angeles. i mean, it's -- it's phenomenal. it's just -- it's remarkable. but like i said, she is -- she was a force of nature. and i -- you know, i -- and her soul's always going to be right here. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> thank you for your time. >> mr. parker? >> moving him to the -- >> wow. so we have been listening to andy parker, that is the dad of alison parker, she is the 24-year-old general assignment reporter from wdbj that was murdered live on air wednesday morning along with her photographer adam ward, 27 years old. learning there about some of the personal plans that they have for laying their daughter to rest coming up on monday and celebration of her life. the parker family had visited wdbj today to see what he called
his daughter's home. her home station. saying that it was profoundly difficult for him to be there and i think that a lot of us as we can see as we watch that, we can understand and grieve with this parent's pain and i think for all of our viewers and just like me, you see the dad and see so much of alison parker, the resemblance, the features that his daughter carried. and how much they look alike. we have not heard from mrs. parker. we can't even begin to imagine what it's like for any family member in the parker family or for the ward family, for that matter and vicki gardner's family, the woman interviewed, the chamber of commerce member wounded in that attack and survived but andy parker has been his own force of nature. that's how he describes his daughter and force of nature coming to talking about common sense gun control and not letting his daughter's death be something that happens in vain.
m msnbc's reporter adam reiss was there. his resolve is unparalleled and i think an you probably were, too, most striking were his comments about saying she was one of you. talking to all of the journalists on location and everyone's a target using the scenario with him speaking as a moment to realize that's the type of scenario and set-up the moment his daughter was murdered. >> reporter: right now. that the media was attacked it is. he said he's going to get a gun now because this mission may cause some people to take aim at him. he said this won't be in vain. he's going to go after the nra to try to do this. he's going to directly to the virginia legislature. he says he is going to look at them right in the eye and tell them, something needs to be done in terms of gun control,
background checks. he's not giving up and he hopes this will be some sort of a tipping point. he says i know about colull bin and newtown and all of the shootings at the movie theaters and hoping because the media was hit this time maybe the media takes up the cause alongside him and do something about this so something like this tragedy doesn't happen again, thomas. >> yeah. talking about advocating for reasonable gun control and i'm not sure who asked the question, you or somebody else, but brought up the fact that vester flanagan, known as bryce williams, former reporter at wdbj legally bought the glocks he used to commit the atrocious crimes and murder the two young people, wund vicki gardner on live television. anything that's put in place is not something that would have potentially saved his own daughter's life. he realizes that and feels that's a baby step in the right direction. >> reporter: right.
clearly, he had mental issues. vester flanagan. he knew that. he had been fired and let go from a number of stations. he had anger issues, run-ins on the road. a road rage incident we know about that. despite that, he purchased the two glocks legally. he says despite that, there's got to be something done regarding mental issues. the governor mentioned this about an hour ago as well saying we need to drill down on this. name, rank and serial number and you were never admitted to some sort of a mental institution or a mental hospital for care. there needs to be more drill down in terms of people's background before they're allowed to purchase a handgun. >> adam reiss there outside of wdbj. this stdad andy parker, he sayse picks up the cause to continue trying to make sure that he didn't lose his daughter in vain.
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breaking news leads our hour. a verdict in that closely watched trial in new hampshire. after nearly eight hours of deliberations over two days jurors finding 19-year-old 0 ben labrie not guilty of the most serious charges against him. but guilty on several lesser charges. labrie accused of raping a then 15-year-old underclassman in a campus tradition of a senior salu salute. we have reporters on the ground and beginning with jamie novogrod following the case from the beginning at the courthouse. jamie, tell us what happened in the courthouse this afternoon. >> reporter: well, ari, a bail hearing is just rnd way now and there was some discussion in court because the prosecutor says that labrie poses a flight risk and as you can imagine the defense attorney rebuffed that and argued to the court he does not pose a flight risk. all that is being hashed out now. what we know so far the judge asked that labrie turn over the
passport by the end of the weekend and said he'd prefer it today. it's been an emotional hour and a half or so in court. as the verdict was read, the accuser in the case sobbed. her mother holding her. labrie himself had his head in his hands. he was crying at times. and his hands trembling. the accuser's family has put out a statement in which they've said that they had read during the past few years stories about sexual assault on campuses and never imagined it would affect their own family. they said that a measure of justice is served here and meantime we are waiting to hear what the outcome of this bail hearing is and what it means about labrie's future. we know that a sentencing hearing in the case won't be held for another 30 to 60 days. so what the character of his sentence is, what the character of the peblts are, is unclear and will only become clearer over the next few s.