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passport by the end of the weekend and said he'd prefer it today. it's been an emotional hour and a half or so in court. as the verdict was read, the accuser in the case sobbed. her mother holding her. labrie himself had his head in his hands. he was crying at times. and his hands trembling. the accuser's family has put out a statement in which they've said that they had read during the past few years stories about sexual assault on campuses and never imagined it would affect their own family. they said that a measure of justice is served here and meantime we are waiting to hear what the outcome of this bail hearing is and what it means about labrie's future. we know that a sentencing hearing in the case won't be held for another 30 to 60 days. so what the character of his sentence is, what the character of the peblts are, is unclear and will only become clearer over the next few weeks. >> thank you. joining us, kendall coffey
continues the coverage. anne bremer, a legal analysts. anne, the prosecution here pressed a full charges, they wanted to say it was felony rape, felony sexual assault. the most serious type of charge. along with those misdemeanors that he was found guilty of. walk us through why this jury in your view did not think the prosecution carried that murder. >> well, i think it was so much he said, she said and so much conflicting testimony, including her telling other people and friends that she wanted to be involved sexually and the kathie lee chur at the school, the senior salute and the jury said, quhaunlg? we can't sort out what happened in terms of a rape or statutory rape and go with lesser charges and there were a lot of them. >> kendall, this came up, the culture and why the case has gotten so much attention, a so-called tradition, senior salute, males luring or preying on young women in some cases
women below the age of consent, 16 in new hampshire. and yet, walk us through as a trial strategy how that ultimately was used more by the defense than the prosecution here. >> and you make a great point because both sides tried to use the culture of the school as part of the strategy. initially, the prosecution was saying that's the context, this's the reason why the defendant was so pursuing a younger student in order to in effect measure up in terms of the culture and gain a prize. the defense wound up trying to emphasize it because they had a big problem. they had a decent reasonable doubt issue with respect to the nonconsensual sexual assault. how do they credibly deny that sex took place? because there was forensic evidence, other evidence to support that. an enthat's standing by itself is a significant crime. so they couldn't put the victim on trial. which is a typical defense strategy. they tried to put the school on
trial. >> anne, go ahead. >> no. i was going to say they put the school on trial. it's all a culture there and seems to be consented to all the way around, at least to a certain extent. >> yeah. i mean, that was an argument here, the defense basically presented the idea, the counter argument to this jury that this young woman in some sense was mistaken or confused about what actually happened, that is to say, she may have felt very badly but the defense argued in the moment she didn't actually object and that recent, like recently after the event itself, she told others it was consensual sex. how does that work legally when we have people say that's a 15-year-old woman, allowed to be confused and still assert the fact that she felt violated? >> well, the bottom line is you can't say, you know, yes, yes, yes and then no or yes and then confused and say it meant no after the fact. you are looking at somebody's
future with owen labrie and i think the jury knew he would go to harvard and didn't go to harvard and won't and not prison. . at least per this jury. >> not a long-term felony prison sentence. we don't know about jail time on misdemeanors. take your point. let's read to you from the statement of the victim's family and as always msnbc, nbc news here, we do not name this victim, this minor and reading from a statement that was generally put out saying today a measure of justice has been served for victims of sexual violence. while he was not convicted on all charges, labrie was held accountable in some way by a jury of his peers. talk about what people who work in this area of victims of sexual assault, work on trying to change practices and culture here on campuses and they should take away from this split verdict today? >> first of all, the fact that the prosecution pursued this very aggressively.
victims should feel good about that. this was not an easy, perfect case for the prosecution. we know that, for example, very shortly after the encounter the alleged victim told a school nurse that it was consensual. >> right. >> we know that there was messaging after the encounter from the victim which alleged victim seemed to be friendly. this wasn't a perfect case and the prosecution took it and embraced it, charged as hard and as far as they could with it and got some significant conviction. i think from the standpoint of the viktd community, this is more vindication than not from the standpoint of this particular family. they should feel some significant sense of validation today. >> anne, as we're talking we are looking at footage of 0 ben labrie the defendant going through a bail hearing, considers his future. he took the stand, a relatively young men, well educated, quite young.
quite young. the significant number of defendants do not take the stand. walk us through the strategy and how it worked here. >> because he had to say his side of the story and presentable, and because there was so much texting back and forth and communication that favored the defense, it made sense. remember smith, he carried the day. i'm sure he was prepared, rehearsed and did very, very well and may in balance have led to this balance, more split and not more serious for him. >> right. you mentioned the messages, this was a big part of this case an one that's different from historically sexually assault cases with a disagreement about what maybe happened in the incident but here there was also a disagreement about the nature and tenure of exchanges. they were able to use his testimony, right, to walk through the back and forth with this young woman after the fact. and say, look, here they are continuing to carry on what the defense characterized as a positive flirtation. >> well, yeah. the thing is that he said things
like i like i hope when you lose your virginity you should be treated like a goddess and saying i love you or i adore you in french. and she's writing back to him and saying can we keep this a secret? which is to happen. can we keep it her secret and laughing in e-mails. this was really kind of a social media facebook, there are e-mails, texting case business he has to talk about his end of it and his side of the story and presented i think very, very well. >> kendall, when we go beyond the courtroom itself, something that's come up a lot in this case, is the so-called culture, how do you look at that and also broaden it to saying how do you change that culture? how do you teach, for example, pick a specific example here and teach the seen i don't recalls at the school if they are going to reach out in any way and have sexual contact with someone under 16 under the laws of their state that right there is a statutory sex crime? >> and that's going to change not only the culture of this
school, but i think that's a message all over the country. because i do think that there is some kind of perverse pride on seniors or other young men in terms of trying to rack up scores. and this case demonstrates what a lot of people don't expect which is you can actually get prosecuted for that kind of thing and we'll watch what the judge does with sentencing but we may very well see you can go to jail for that kind of thing, perhaps for years. >> yeah. you mentioned the sentencing which, of course, the bail hearing going on right now and seeing after this verdict. kendall, when you look at four misdemeanors here and one felony count of luring a minor over a computer, what kind of jail time could he face? >> well, i think that given the fact that this case has had a lot of prosecution interest, a lot of victim attention, i think it's going to be difficult for the judge to consider probation or anything that's kind of a low end. it's impossible to guess whether
it's going to be a lot of years because this is a young man who otherwise seemed to be an outstanding young man but i think there's a significant risk that he's going to be going to jail for years. maybe not a lot of years but for years. >> all right. kendall coffey and anne bremner on this case, thank you. we have another breaking news story to turn to. the father of murdered tv journalist alison parker just addressing the media in front of wdbj, made a passionate plea that his daughter not be forgotten. >> i think that her life is going to have meaning not just as a journalist, but if we can affect meaningful changes in our gun laws here, you know, this senseless act, this senseless murder will not go in vain. and as i think you all know, this is my mission and i'm taking it up. and i was pleased that the governor of virginia's stepped up and right there with me.
my daughter was a journalist. and she would want me here telling the story. i'm doing this for her. >> that was emotional statements coming as we learn more about how tv journalist alison parker and adam ward died. according to the medical examiner's report, fatally shot in the head by vester lee flanagan and this is inside the killer's apartment where adam reiss is reporting with the latest. we saw that press conference by andy parker. it was moving. it was very clear. it was emphatic. part of what he said is that the news media, a lot of those us in the news media, cover the stories and debt gis tracted and he wants his daughter remembered and fight for policy change. >> reporter: right. and now that the media has been targeted he's hoping that the media will help join him in this fight for more gun control, more background checks. surprisingly, ari, he said he is
going to now go out and get a gun. as he begins this fight. he said he is on a fight, on a mission to make changes in the law and face down the virginia legislature. he'll face down the nra. whatever it takes. he wants alison's legacy to be that of someone who her death caused changed in terms of the gun control laws and learning more about flanagan's background and his very difficult time, controversial time here at wdbj. he arrived with some good references. gm here says maybe they should have looked into his background a little further. he was let go from a number of stations prior to arriving here. once he got here, he was having performance irnss. he had run-ins with colleagues. a run-in with a reporter. pretty right away after arriving. he had some difficulties with some photographers. he didn't like the way they were shooting and warned about the behavior. he was told to seek counseling but soon after that he was told that they were going to fire him. he said i'm going to make a
stink. police had to come, ari, and actually carry him out the front door behind me. he was so difficult. he had so much anger. he was so volatile. on his way out, he gave a wooden cross to the news director and said, you're going to need this. so a lot of anger issues that they might have seen before and again you talked about his apartment, ari. the problem was that apartment was across the street from this station. he continued to live there and had people here very uncomfortable. >> msnbc's adam reiss reporting, thank you very much. we also will continue to follow that bail hearing. convening for the summer meeting. we have that and much more ahead. these two oil rigs look the same. can you tell what makes them so different? did you hear that sound? of course you didn't. you're not using ge software like the rig on the right. it's listening and learning how to prevent equipment failures, predict maintenance needs, and avoid problems before they happen.
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and we have your 20167 update. the dnc end of summer meeting urn way. what a summer it's been. fellow presidential candidates bernie sanders and lincoln chaffey and hillary clinton there addressing the crowd of democrats. clinton blasted trump and insisted she is just getting started. >> mr. trump also insults and dismisses women. and by the way, just dwred he attacked me once again and said i didn't have a clue about women's health issues. really? trump actually says he would do a much better job for women than i would. now, that's a general election debate that's going to be a lot of fun. >> so she looks excited but many
people still talking about that potential by vice president biden. he is not even at the meeting, though. kristen welker saying biden wants to determine if his family has in it them and meeting with afl-cio president and considering whether he'd want to get into this race. meanwhile, across the aisle, donald trump pledging not to abandon the grand ole party. >> as long as i'm treated fairly, that's all i want. they've been treating me nicely. rights and the rnc and everybody has really been great over the last three or four weeks. >> wow. >> i'm leading in every poll by a lot. maybe that has to do with it. >> great. everyone's treating him just great. alex seitz wald in minneapolis. what's the mood there? what did you glean from hillary's interaction with the party elites for lack of a
better term? >> reporter: well, the mood definitely quieted a bit since hillary clinton and the large entourage left a few hours ago. we have martin o'malley on the stage now. bernie sanders coming up later and has definitely attracted a ltd. of people. free ben & jerry's outside of his room and equal amounts of applause as hillary clinton when the party chair announcing the names and without a doubt hillary clinton dominating this audience, not surprisingly she's secured this support of most of these people as you said, party elite. committee members, elected officials. they have pledged their support. the campaign saying at least 400 so that's huge and getting her almost a fifth of the way to the total number of delegates to win the nomination months out for a vote cast. still, there's definitely hand wringing under the table about that e-mail controversy still out there on hillary clinton. i talked to one democrat from
california who said that she would support hillary clinton but she is concerned about the way the campaign dealt with this controversy. >> alex, thank you very much. for more, we turn to senior political reporter, peter bacon. how are you? >> good to see you, ari. >> we saw hillary clinton taking on trump, also catching flack for something she said that did raise eyebrows about some of the pro-choice, pro-life debate in the party. take a listen. >> extreme views about women? we expect that from some of the terrorist groups. it is hard to take coming from republicans. >> what do you make of this controversy? >> that's not a line that's normally in her stump speeches i have heard an i suspect you have seen jeb bush and candidates criticize that. it probably was over the line. i suspect she won't say that again. >> yeah. i think it's one of those things where any candidate to do that, talking about someone they're a
political opponent is like a terrorist, that doesn't fare well. a lot as you say republicans hitting her on that. on the trump side of things, i want to try to cover donald trump's campaign with you as a policy matter which i know is difficult an running on certain things and as he likes to point out leading a lot of polls. take a look at some of his tax and economic policies. here he is discussing something that democrats have run on before, that carried interest loophole. >> do you want to tax carried interest in the same way of ordinary income? >> i would take it out and let people that are making hundreds of millions of dollars a year pay some tax because right now they pay very little tax and out ray jous. i want to lower taxes for people making a lot of money that need incentive. >> so that would affect not just hedge fund people but limited real estate partnerships. >> i'm okay. i'm okay with it. >> to raise taxes on yourself? >> that's right. i'm okay with it. you know?
ready, willing -- you see my statements. i do very well. i don't mind. the middle class is getting clobbered in this country. you know, the middle class built this country. not the hedge fund guys. but i know people in hedge funds, they pay almost nothing. and it's ridiculous. okay? >> perry, the last candidate who is brought up that kind of objective were john edwards and barack obama. >> exactly. the thing about trump is he's been very conservative on immigration. and on futures like that covered a lot and economic issues he tends to be pretty much to the left of democratic party. remember most of the republican candidates signed that grover norquist pledge saying they will not raise taxes on anyone ever. so trump is not only said to raise taxes on some of the wealthy but saying this throughout the campaign and opposes increases social security age or eligibility and most support 65 to 67 or 69 years of age before benefits and
trump taking economic stands more like hillary clinton and barack obama than republican party. it's very interesting to see that. >> yeah. also goes, perry, to something that cuts against the obsession of class or tax brackets alone and the idea of people building things and create american jobs and people social speculators, moving money around and said in another statement, i know them. they shurve papers. they don't build things. >> trying to say they talk about this, too, the idea of people who, you know, the microsofts or the companies that create jobs and then a lot of companies on wall street that don't create jobs and manage the economy and they get paid a lot and don't produce any goods the way that auto companies should and trump using the same kind of language. he's saying some ways and remember jeb bush worked for one of these investment funds himself as did john kasich and a good way to say i created jobs
of my hotels and something resonates probably with the base because a lot of the polls show that trump is doing better with lower income republican voters than upper income republican voters. >> you make a great point jeb bush worked for lehman brothers, and doesn't discuss that much. donald trump does think ahead and may be a beat of the discussion of saying worthless of the speculators can be. thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, feeling the burn. we have the organizer of a grassroots movement just as bernie sanders to take the stage in minneapolis. how he and trump are actually both changing the way presidential campaigns may alru also, hurricane katrina after. more on that ahead this hour. >> we are the resilience of a great american city whose levies gave out and whose people never gave out.
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we are back. tracking tropical storm erika that continues the march. rick scott declared a state of emergency in florida and signs the storm to dissipate. janet shamlian live with the latest in puerto rico on an unpredictable system. janet? >> reporter: ari, good afternoon. we are here in san juan where there are some rain showers right now but the eight inches of rain predicted did not materialize to the happiness of many here. the same cannot be said for the island of dom any ka 400 miles from here and 12 people confirmed dead and a death toll expert says is likely to rise as the searchers get to the hardest hit areas this afternoon after seeing the tremendous mud slides, resulting from something like a foot of rain in less than ten hours. the storm now is moving through
this hour and pushing towards florida but it's so disorganized, can it reenergize and be a threat to florida? the governor declared a state of emergency and if it does come on shore, as a tropical storm, it will need to do some strengthening. in any case, will bring rain to florida sunday night into monday. as for here in puerto rico, there was some power lines down, tree damage. but not the devastation that they had predicted and they're glad for that. back to you. >> thank you for that report. ten years ago today hurricane katrina was spinning in the gulf of mexico, a category 5 monster. new orleans already under a hurricane watch and mandatory evacuations for the first-ever time in the city had just begun. they would go on to be heavily criticized on august 28th, katrina made landfall in the big easy and we know what happened next. 30-foot storage surges, flooding 80% of that american city.
the lower 9th ward destroyed. shelter of last resort for 10,000 people and overflowed. the convention center, another site of chaos. 25,000 residents were turned into refugees in their own home. $108 billion in damage. nearly 2,000 people dead. fema took days to mobilize and the white house seemed paralyzed by the crisis. here we are a decade later, parts of new orleans have seen a huge transformation. president bush returned to the big easy today and spoke at a rebuilt charter school and later directly to gulf coast residents. >> all of us who are old enough to remember will never forget the images of our fellow americans amid a sea of misery and ruin. hurricane katrina is a story of loss beyond measure. it's also a story of commitment and compassion. >> we want to reflect on this anniversary with new orleans resident david spielman, the
photographer behind "the katrina decade." black and white shots of the recovery and on exhibit in new orleans and from us is wright thompson, a senior writer at es upon that wrote "beyond the breach." all katrina edition of "espn" magazine, the first time ever of a single issue topic. welcome to both of you. david, starting with you, tell us about your book, about why you wanted to do this and capture the images here on the anniversary. >> well, nice to be here. thank you very much. i stayed through the storm and then i've been documenting the city for the last decade. we're in an instantaneous world now. if it's not trepding, it is not happening. i wanted to take the long view and been documenting new orleans house by house, street by street. you said earlier over 80% of the city was flooded. well, i'm showing that. if you look through my book, you see pictures from all over the
city and it is the things that have been missed by a lot of people. >> you know, wright, i want to ask you about this almost unbelievable role the super dome has played. as a site of devastation, as the visual of government failure and then as you write, as part of the rebirth and unity of this city and its resilient people. i want to read from your article, all new orleans can describe three moments from the past ten years in detail. their escape from the storm. where they were when gleason blocked that punt. where they were when the saints won the super bowl. tell us about the super dome. >> you know, the super dome existed during the storm as just -- it almost unbelievably simplified for what had gone wrong in the city. and when it reopened, roughly a year later, you know, many people know on monday night
football, steve gleason blocked the punt. the dome, the people said they never heard a stadium sound like that. and i mean, it is like 53 millionaires like burned sage or something in the building. because the saints really took that building back from the nightmare of katrina and returned it to the city. >> and, david, how do residents look at the super dome and that pageantry and the public events, we read about this, a city and community that does a lot together, outside, does a lot in the streets, that does a lot out gathering. something we don't necessarily see in all parts of america. talk about that and from your perspective the visuals of that. >> well, the super dome is clearly the cog of the new orleans wheel. i pity the poor person that tries to move the super dome from that location. it is the focal point. it is the center, the heart and it is a constant reminder that we just don't and won't give up. so it's a very important component to this community.
>> and, wright, you also look at the underlying problems. no one said that billions of dollars to deal with an emergency crisis would somehow solve the wounds of the deeper issues around poverty, incarceration, what many people call disparate racial patterns there. what did you find in your reporting on the deeper issues? >> look. i mean, a lot of this coverage that, you know, people are watching, frankly, that we're doing right now both us at espn and you guys, there's a celebratory feel of sort of going back to a resilient city. it is that, you know, classic familiar rise and redemption -- rise, fall and redemption but there are places in new orleans where things are not better. and so, if the system worked for you, before katrina, it works better for you now. if the system did not work for
you before katrina, life in new orleans is worse for you now than it was before the storm. and they are many different new orleanses and if you come here looking for the truth you are not going the find it. the best to hope for is a truth or several truths. >> and, david, before we go, what picture or image stands out to you most? >> well, i think the picture of charity hospital, you know. it was shut down and closed and a new medal center built but charity hospital is pivotal to this place. you ask a lot of people, they tell you the great deal of pride they're charity hospital babies and that's an image long remembered. >> david and wright, thank you both for your work and sharing it with us. >> the pleasure is mine. thank you for your interest. >> you're welcome. >> absolutely. at home, an update on the other big story, breaking news in the new hampshire prep school rape trial. the bail hearing is over. we have the details. that's next.
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some breaking news before we turn to politics. bail for owen labrie is just set at $15,000. there are also conditions on that bail including a curfew. labrie found not guilty of felony sexual assault today and convicted of misdemeanor sexual assault. now, the sentencing phase will begin october 29th. and back to politics, many political outsiders continue to crash the establishment's party. one of those is bernie sanders speaking live right out in at the dnc summer meetings live in minneapolis. let's listen in live. >> we have received more individual campaign contributions than any other presidential campaign. [ applause ] some 400,000.
and in this day of superpacs and huge campaign contributions i am very proud to tell you that our average campaign contribution is $31.20. this is a peoples campaign. [ applause ] most importantly, i believe that few would deny that the issues that we are running on are generating an enormous amount of enthusiasm and that our grasds roots campaign which is calling for a political revolution is striking a cord all over america. >> listening to bernie sanders there live in minneapolis gaining momentum with the help of small donations and just
talking about and a passionate grass roots effort. sites like this one are helping sanders organize and reach millions of potential voters directly. some argue that the site is even nicer than the one that sanders campaign is producing itself. joining us now founder of feel the burn.org. what did you think of what he said? >> it is a perfect lead-in to talk about how excited we are about his candidacy. we got together and decided that this, you know, he is running an issu issues-based campaign and most media and voters are not talking about the issues but what people say they're going to do and bernie sand erps has a 50-year history, public history as an activist and then as a politician where he's very clear about whether where he stands on every issue, affordable housing, immigration, guns. we wanted to make it really clear to anyone curious about him.
>> you wanted to make it clear. your site has a really nice int interface. it feels now or current or silicone valley and in the all of bernie's material looks like that. and some have said it's hard to figure out where he is on civil rights or certain issues. did you step up here because you have the person power but he didn't necessarily have the tech and inside the campaign? >> i think that, you know, i mean, they're running a really smart, lean campaign. we are not officially associated with them. we're just volunteers but, you know, i was honestly hanging out a lot on reddit speaking to people excited about policies and where he stands on issues that america's facing today. and it was all disorganized and i thought we should organize it and find it easy to find through search and understand and actually the entire site is built to -- almost in an faq format and interested in social security, we'll explain to you
what social security is, what the state of it is right now before we dive into the policies and we really believe that you empower people with information and not opinions and writing 51 issue pages. that includes over 2,000 links to find out more. and over 100,000 words about where he stands on it. >> a book on bernie. >> a phd dissertation. >> a lot of folks in washington and in the media, they look at the enthusiasm for bernie sanders and they say that opens up space for other alternative candidates, space for biden. they read this bernie-mentum. the enthusiasm for him in the polls and they read it as dissatisfaction with hillary clinton. is that right? >> i'm not sure. i mean, i am just really pro-bernie. i'm not anti- anyone else and pro his record, his consistency. and i think that really resonates with people beyond the democratic party and i think his
support is not really just about democrats, it is the support is not even bipartisan, it's nonpartisan. i'm a registered independent. most of the over 125 volunteers who worked with me on this project don't really identify one way or the other and we have a lot of people who have identified republican even and the thing he's talking about issues that matter to everyone. everyone cares about income and wealth and inequality and the foreign policy and wants education and health care accessible to everyone. >> you're saying you're a registered independent and moved to work with people on the site for bernie sanders. >> right. >> what's it say that bernie sanders also a registered independent running for a party nomination, not formally in and donald trump who wasn't in the republican party by his own estimation until recently, when's it say that these are some of the candidacies at least generating excitement right now? >> i mean, i think it speaks to the dissatisfaction of the two-party system and the establishment candidates,
perhaps. i think while i don't follow donald trump that much, i do believe -- >> why not? >> i'm really focused on writing this website and getting the word out on bernie sanders and i believe that these are two candidates who people see as honest. and not beholden to moneyed interests and they can be very clear about where they stand and i would just say that i think our candidate is most clear with the longest record. >> do you think people care about that independence? because by which i mean financial independence. because donald trump who's initially dismissed and people thought, oh, well, you are a billionaire and might hurt you in some way and a populism that turns against rich elites, he made that a central rallying cry. indeed, our reporters saying yesterday, one of the loudest cheers in south carolina was for turning down the $5 million. bernie's making that part of his pitch, as well. do people care? do you think at the grass roots level about that, how his campaign is funded? >> absolutely. i think actually i was looking at polls to just try to get a sense of what americans care about and include l all of those
on our website. i could be a policy adviser at this point. but one of the things that is a people care about across the board is the influence of money and politics. i believe it's something on average 84% of americans think there's -- money has too much of an influence in politics and i think 90% of declared democrats and 80% among declared republicans and a lot of people care about that, yes. >> daniella from feel the burn, thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. we have a new movie teaser, even the most attentive "star wars" watchers got a shock. it's on instagram. take a look and then we'll be right back. >> there's been an awakening. have you felt it? when you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together
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drug empire. >> extradition doesn't mean anything unless you catch him. >> with our help you will. >> that's right. grindgos to the res ku. >> one [ bleep ] man. >> you make it sound so easy. >> help us catch him. >> he will not go lightly. he will make colombia bleed. >> joining us now is the actor playing one of those dea agents, boyd holbrooke. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> this is serious stuff. we know how violent some of the drug gangs can be and looks like a role that would be a lot of fun to play. >> can be a lot of fun. it was a lot going on. escobar was rated one of the sixth riches men at one point and had the hands in a lot. >> yeah.
>> and did you feel like getting into it? you feel like you're a real tough guy as you go or -- >> i don't think it's that easy. we very much show a transparent view on things. i think a line in the show that stands out for me is that there would be no pablo escobar if it wasn't for american con sumps and just the reality of the situation and what we show. >> in terms of the idea that -- that these people caught up in what we consider bad things -- >> very much responsible. >> there's a huge demand for it. >> absolutely, absolutely, yeah. >> let's read a little bit of steve murphy, a dea agent you worked with in preparation for this. he said there was a $300,000 price tag on any dea agent. there's times when we'd come flying in on the gunships. i have a pistol and they have the long guns and everything and i've got on blue jeans and t shall have shirt and he says you and me and front door and it's like, okay. i'm this guy taking real risks.
>> absolutely. >> how was it works with some of these people on the front lines? >> we spent a lot of time. steve and harvey are sort of rollty in the dea and got us into quantity coe and spent a week training with them and having a very real understanding of what these guys are put up against and sort of these situations that you just have to have the training for. >> you're talking about the training facility at quantico for dea agents, fbi. >> yes. >> what did you glean from them that helped you in your performance? >> i guess the dedication and actual -- there's a certain quality it takes for a person like that to have -- to walk in to a situation where it's totally chaotic and to stay under control. really takes a certain type of individual. >> what do you do and this is kind of a tough question people ask actors but i'll ask it. what do you do then to get in
character to do something you may have never done in your real life? they stay calm under pressure. most people haven't locked down the barrel of a gun and been abroad and thought they might get hurt. >> exactly. this is all sort of make believe and fun and games. but for playing it as honorable as you can play it, you know, just do lat of research. i spoke with steve for months on end. and our director and the actor playing pablo. trying to consume as much information as possible so you can sort of of honor the story. >> let me play another sound bite here of this new show on netfl netflix. arriving with escobar. let's take a look. >> last but not least, gustavo and pablo. >> [ bleep ] are [ bleep ].
>> they were all under one roof and pena got us there to document it all. >> you think about movies like "scarface" or "godfather" and the fascination and there's bad people and a fascination. >> yeah. it's an interesting j juxtaposition i guess. i don't think that there's ever been a movie properly about escobar just from the simple fact to condense it into two hours and i think what this is trying to do here is we have a ten-hour sort of epic saga which even goes further beyond that and as we know just he's dead doesn't mean it stopped. >> what did you learn about the culture and someone like escobar to be a successful candidate in what did they tell you? americans don't know the story of his life. >> yeah. it's tricky. may get in trouble for saying this but money will get you
pretty far in life, yeah. >> last big question people have looking at shows like "house of cards" on netflix and the way everything is changing, anything different for you as an actor involved in production like this that's going to be online, that's going to be dropped out for binge watchers? >> it is drik i can. you spend a lot of time doing things, six or seven months working on a project and then also and quite guilty of it myself. binge watching and seeing as much as you can of one show. >> and let me ask you something else. when you look at shows about drug policy like "the wire," they had a very explicit conclusion. i'm not saying the actors necessarily -- they're acting. >> sure. >> david simon and the ark of the show said we have a problem of drug consumption in the country and not something to blame on people trapped in the communities. does this show have that kind of view? >> absolutely. i mean, there's -- you know, we're a country that incarcerates a staggering amount of people for non-violent crimes
and there's no rehabilitation. so hopefully a conversation is just going to be started from this. i mean, there's people in these farms just trying to make a living who's just trying to have running water or shelter. minimal things to survive and on the other side of the coin is this sort of massive problem that's making itself into an industry. >> right. yeah. boyd, the star of "narcos", thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> i'm ari melber. the news is next on politics and more on the verdict in the closely watched prep school rape trial that's straight ahead.
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