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>> you can be authentic and be totally wrong about everything. >> thank you for your time tonight. i'm michael eric dyson. "politics nation" with the reverend al sharpton starts right now. right now on "politics nation," donald trump's grip on the gop. why aren't republicans trying to shake loose? we'll go live outside boston where trump is on the campaign trail. also, a verdict in the rape trial putting one of the nation's most elite prep schools in the spotlight. ten years after katrina, a complicated return to new orleans for former president bush. and the cast of "the wiz" falls in place. reaction from one of the stars on the "today" show. welcome to "politics
nation." we begin with donald trump's hold on the republican party. he's not just pushing them to the right on immigration. they're following his lead on foreign policy, too. just think, what's trump's favorite thing to talk about besides himself? >> when was the last time anybody saw us beating, let's say, china in a trade deal? they kill us. who is tougher on the chinese than me? the chinese leader's coming over here next week. we'll give him a great dinner, celebrate him. you don't do that to people. let's have lunch. you don't need these big state dinners. >> he'd be so tough on china. he'd cancel the chinese president's state dinner. and what do you know? today two other presidential hopefuls bash china and talked about getting rid of that state dinner.
>> i do not believe that we should cancel xi jinping's visit to washington next month. i also do not believe we should be rolling out the red carpet for him. this is an opportunity to speak bluntly to this authoritarian ruler, not to treat him to a state dinner. >> i just think when it comes to an official state visit, those are something -- that's one of the highest prizes we can give to countries that we work with, that are allies and partners. we need to not just look the other way. we need to stand up and do something about it. >> but the gop isn't just talking trump's lead talk and following his lead on china, they're looking to him for leadership on iran, too. in fact, ted cruz, a sitting u.s. senator, is joining up with trump for a rally against the iran deal next month. >> we are talking to ted cruz, who is a friend of mine as a good guy, about doing something
very big over the next two weeks in washington. it will be announced and it's essentially a protest against the totally incompetent deal that we're making with iran. >> a protest against one of the biggest diplomatic achievements of the obama administration. and trump's leading it. but before he does, he's speaking to the media in just over an hour from an event in massachusetts where he says there he will probably start talking about things that the rest of the party will hear, and i say they'll repeat it. joining me now are ed rendell and dorian warren. thank you so much for being here. >> good to see you, reverend al. >> governor, canceling state dinners, rallying against the iran deal. is this serious? >> well, it isn't serious, but the other republican contenders don't know what to do with
donald trump. they're afraid to take him on. they're afraid to call him -- his ideas out as ridiculous, outrageous. i mean, donald trump actually professes that we'll take 11 million people, the undocumented, and physically deport them out of the country. that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars, more than that. it would take every law enforcement personnel in the country probably two or three years. it's a totally absurd idea on its face. and almost no one has had the guts to challenge that idea. because everybody's afraid. he is directing the band. there's no question about that. and he's moving this party in a way that i think is going to make it untenable for them to win in the fall. >> you know, i was reading "the new york times," i read paul krugman a lot. and krugman wrote that we're hearing on foreign policy from the gop calling them -- these
are the candidates -- crash test dumb mies as republican candidas for president. he writes, quote, how would the men and women who would be president respond if crisis struck on their watch? and the answer on the republican side at least seems to be with bluster and china bashing, end of quote. i mean, are we hearing anything of substance, dorian? >> no, reverend al. and paul krugman hit it just right on the note there. bluster with no substance. so whether it's china and this notion that we have to be strong against china, that they're somehow affecting our markets, it's global economy one on one. we are an integrated global economy. china is not singing our tune, right? we're not only responding to china but to markets -- it's deeper than all of that. >> deeper than the currency battles that are going on. >> yes. >> we have real interconnected
interests. >> whether china or iran. >> all over the world. >> where senator cruz has indicted donald trump to this rally. hey, by the way, we can't just tear up a deal with iran as scott walker would say he would do on his first day of the presidency. this is not a bilateral deal potentially, right, this is a multilatteral deal with other countries. what we do have an effect on going to war. >> in this economy all things are multilateral. in fact, when talking about the trump/cruz iran rally, the white house press secretary responded saying, it's clear from any scrutiny of their position that the position they may advocate makes another war in the middle east more likely. is he right, governor rendell? >> well, there's no question. if this deal craters, i mean, the idea that we can get a better deal is, on its face,
ludicrous. there is going to be no better deal because the chinese and the russians who are an integral part of this are not going to join with us. they're going to stay away. they're going to lift their sanctions. we're not in the position to get a better deal. we don't have any leverage. and if the treaty collapses because the united states, everyone predicts within two years iran will have the bomb, and if they have the bomb, lord knows what's going to happen. so the fiction of better deal, let's negotiate a better deal, that's truly a fiction, and it makes no sense to propose that because it's totally unrealistic. >> and it's a dangerous fiction. >> no question. >> really very dangerous. you know, dorian jeb bush did try to hit back today. let me play that for you. >> he's tapped into this anger and angst that washington's not working. i totally get it. and i respect the fact that, look, this is a guy who is the front-runner. he should be treated like a
front-runner, not as some kind of alternative universe to the political system. let's have a debate of the ideas that people have as candidates. when we do, i think i'll do a lot better than mr. trump. >> the question, dorian, is can he talk republicans into stepping away from trump? >> no. because he's right to suggest that trump is the front-runner. that's clear. but trump is a front-runner because he is, in many ways, the id of the american republican party. and he has support across many different spectrums of the party. you can't just say trump is the tea party candidate. his support is broader than that. the monster the republican party has created the last 40 years. and he's exposed. he's not even dog whistling in terms of using strategic racism to make appeals around immigration. he is precisely this monster, this frankenstein the republican party has created with broad support. so there's nothing at this point jeb can do. and even when trump criticizes him for having no energy,
there's a ring of truth to that because he does seem a little sleepy in the campaign trail. he's not motivating any of the core republican voters. >> governor, you know, in that light, today secretary clinton spoke in minneapolis to democrats, and she, in essence, tied the whole gop to trump, governor. i mean, is she right? >> oh, no question. he is writing the music, he's writing the lyrics, he's conducting the band. whatever he does and says everyone follows suit because no one has the guts to take him on. and i'm waiting, i'm interested to see in the september 16th debate whether anybody's going to step up and say, mr. trump, that's a ridiculous idea and here's why. boom. let's see. i don't think anybody has -- they're all afraid. >> but dorian, they're all afraid, but he's already fired
his verbal assaults on all of them -- well most of them if not all of them. what are you afraid of? i mean, he can't say anything more negative about jeb bush than he's already said. and graham and the rest of them. so i don't understand what they're feeling. he can only repeat his lines against them. they can really start calling for a showdown here. they have nothing to lose. >> they have everything to lose, reverend al. because as you were saying, as hillary clinton said earlier today, it's no longer the party of lincoln, but the party of trump. he's setting the agenda for the party. he's attracting the most amount of votes from the republican party primary voters. doesn't mean that they can win in a general election but there's nothing the candidates can do to bring him down. only donald trump can bring down donald trump at this point. >> ed rendell and dorian warren, thank you for your time tonight. and have a great weekend to both
of you. >> you too, rev. >> you too, rev. florida on alert as tropical storm erika targets the sunshine state. florida's governor already taking steps to keep people safe. also ahead, justified. a verdict in a case involving allegations of rape and one of the country's elite prep schools. and later the "politics nation" report card reviewing president obama's trip to new orleans ten years after hurricane katrina. >> a city that for almost 300 years has been the gateway to america's soul. where the jazz makes you cry, the funerals make you dance, the bayou makes you believe all kinds of things. why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you?
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we're monitoring tropical storm erika and its effect on florida. governor rick scott has declared a state of emergency. the latest forecast from the national hurricane center has the storm hitting the gulf coast monday. the entire state of florida, along with parts of georgia and south carolina, could see heavy rain in the coming days. >> we're going to do everything we can. we have a great state for emergency preparedness. we've got a great national guard in our state. but all of our citizens have to be active. you've got to take care of yourself before we can help you. >> meantime, the death toll from the storm is rising on the caribbean island of domenica. local media reports as many as 25 people were killed after the storm triggered flooding and mud slides.
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gear up for school. gear up for great. it's time now for the justice files. the jury came down with a split verdict in the new hampshire prep school rape trial. owen labrie is not guilty of four charges including three sex assault felonies, but a jury did find him guilty on five charges including misdemeanor sex assault and a felony of using a computer to seduce a minor. as each verdict was read, you
could see the emotion on labrie's face. >> guilty or not guilty? >> not guilty. >> you say, madam foreperson, that the defendant owen labrie is not guilty? >> yes. >> so say you all, members of the jury? >> yes. >> guilty or not guilty? >> guilty. >> you say, madam foreperson, that the defendant owen labrie is guilty? >> yes. >> so say you members of the jury? >> yes. >> this trial put the sex culture of an elite private school, st. paul's, in the spotlight. labrie's defense argued he contacted the victim as part of a student tradition. it involved senior boys sleeping with younger girls. the school released a statement saying, quote, it is our responsibility to ensure that our students live and learn together in a community that is built on respect, caring and support for one another. anything short of that cannot and will not be accepted.
labrie's lawyers says he will have to register as a sex offender. >> owen's future is forever changed. a conviction like this will be like a brand or a tattoo on him that will be impossible to remove. he will spend the rest of his life, i'm sure, showing people that this conviction should not have occurred. >> a family spokesman for the victim says they are happy to see justice. >> while we stood together as a family through this process, it was our young daughter who took the stand to speak the truth and request justice. we admire her bravery in coming forward and speaking out in the face of great adversity. it is truly her courage that has made a measure of justice possible today.
>> joining me now is judge faith jenkins. thank you very much for being here, judge. >> my thanks, rev. >> we have a split verdict here. are lawyers on each side looking at this as a win? >> i don't think the defense is looking at this as a win. owen was convicted of four misdemeanors and a felony. the most serious charge is a b felony that carries a 3 1/2 to 11-year sentence. i think the only way they would have looked at this as a victory was if he would have had an acquittal in this case. but obviously based on the jurors' decision, you could tell that they believed portions of his testimony and the victim's testimony and they rejected portions of both of their testimony. because he was convicted on the three misdemeanor sexual assault charges because the age of consent in that state is 16. she was 15 at the time this incident occurred. now, they acquitted him on the three most serious charges, the
felony sexual assault charges, the rape charges because, you know -- and you can read into that to say that they didn't necessarily believe that it was not consensual when she did engage with him. >> let me go with the one felony they did convict him of. labrie's defense attorney says he plans to file some sort of motion about that one felony his client was convicted of, a charge involving using a computer to lure a minor. listen to this. >> we know why people who use computers to lure young children should be treated harshly. they're usually individuals who are pretending to be 18 years old themselves. and truly have an evil intent. >> how will they approach trying to change this conviction or challenge it? >> well, when you look at the e-mails that the defendant sent to the victim, if you look at them just by themselves, they're
seemingly innocent. hi, i'd like to hang out with you. would you like to go for a walk? would you like to hang out? there's nothing sexual in nature in those e-mails, but i think when you put into the context of the entire case, which is what the prosecutors argued, there was this senior salute. there was this plan to try to seduce girls to get them to sleep with them. and this young lady was on the defendant's list. so those e-mails were not innocent. and they were actually a part of a plan. he wanted to seduce her and those e-mails were sent with that in mind. so that's how that conviction came into play in this case. i think the defense attorneys are surprised because those e-mails taken by themselves did not have a sexual nature to them, but again the prosecutors argue look at them as a whole. it was all a part of a plan, a screa
scheme, premeditated. >> the jury deliberated for eight hours. what do you read into that? >> there were a lot of counts for them to consider. they know the seriousness of this case, of the victim being a young girl and the defendant being a young man who had been accepted into harvard, into the divinity school. he had no criminal record, no prior contacts with the law. they knew the seriousness of the case. there were several charges for them to consider. so i'm sure they went in, they took it very seriously. this is what they came back with. >> now, let's go to north carolina where the state just dismissed charges against a police officer who was accused of killing an unarmed man. a judge ruled randall kendrick's case a mistrial last week because the jury could not reach a verdict. today a letter from the state attorney general says prosecutors have a, quote, unanimous belief a retrial will not yield a different result.
police charged officer kendrick with voluntary manslaughter two years ago in charlotte. they say he shot jonathan farrell ten times. he was seen on dashcam video running up to police, then running out of view on the camera. police say he was in a car accident that same night and was looking for help. carrick testified that he repeatedly firedfarrell kept charging at him. how hard would it have been a get a conviction in a second trial? >> according to the prosecutors, rev, they said that the determining factor for them in this case was the discussion they had with the jurors afterwards, the jurors who voted to acquit. and they said based on that discussion they had with them and they put forward what they believe was the best case and the best evidence they had, they
do not belief that they enpaneled another jury that that jury would come back with a conviction. >> the count was like 8-4? >> it was 8-4, 8 voted to acquit. they spoke with those jurors, the eight that voted to acquit, and had a discussion with them about the case and the evidence. and then they made the decision going forward that, if they were to retry the case, they do not believe they could get a guilty verdict. going in, they knew this case would be a challenge. this took two grand jurors to even indict this police officer. they knew that based on the facts it would be a challenge, and one of the reasons is because it's a police officer defendant and he testified for a number of hours on the witness stand, and you're faced with the fact that, when that happens in a case like this where there's a videotape and you have two different sides arguing what that videotape means and what it
says, but then you have people who -- the standard is what would a reasonable police officer do in that situation, rev. that's when it gets challenging for a lot of people because a lot of people don't want to second guess the actions of police officers when they feel, well, listen, i'm not in their shoes. they have to make these life or death decisions, and i'm not in their shoes. i don't want to second guess what they're doing. so whenever you have police officers as defendants, that's always a challenge. >> and the family of the victim questioned the makeup of the jury as well. faith jenkins, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, fight for justice ten years after katrina. i'll talk to the brother of a man killed on the danziger bridge in the chaotic days after the storm. and former president george w. bush returns to the big easy. was he able to shed the memories of the government's poor response to the tragedy?
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heavily criticized for the federal response to the storm and his praise of then fema director michael brown has become infamous. >> again, i want to thank you all for -- and brownie, you're doing a heck of a job. fema director is working 24 -- >> in later years former president bush said he made mistakes in his response to katrina and that he regrets the flyover of the damage aboard air force one. today president bush traveled back to new orleans where he visited students and praised the city's rebirth. >> all of us who are hoold enou to remember will never forget the images of fellow americans amid a sea of misery and ruin. we honor the resilience of a great american city whose levees gave out but whose people never
gave up. >> tomorrow marks the actual tenth anniversary of the hurricane katrina making landfall in new orleans. the city is planning a day of service and volunteering from the ninth ward to tremayne. president bill clinton will speak in new orleans tomorrow afternoon. president obama visited the city yesterday. we turn now to a story from the chaotic days following katrina, one of the darkest moments in post-katrina new orleans was the danziger bridge police shooting. >> just a week after hurricane katrina shattered new orleans an urgent police radio call went out. officers down at a bridge over the city's industrial canal. as an nbc news camera crew watched police arrived in a rental truck, then dozens of shots were fired. six people were crossing the bridge to get to a supermarket, two others were headed to see
their brother, a dentist. when the shooting stopped two of those people were dead and four were wounded, all of them unarmed. the police claimed they were defending themselves. >> the two victims were 17-year-old james brisset jr. pictured here at age 9 and 40-year-old ronald madison. in 2011 five officers were convicted of violating the victims' civil rights and attempting to cover up the killings. but last week a federal appeals court upheld a ruling that threw out those convictions of prosecutorial misconduct opening the door to a new trial. ten years later the flood waters have receded from new orleans and much of the city has been rebuilt, but the families of the danziger bridge victims are still seeking justice. joining me now is dr. madison,
the brother of ronald madison who was killed on the danziger bridge. thank you very much for being here, dr., and first of all, my condolences to your family. >> thank you, reverend sharpton. it's my pleasure being here. >> how are you and your family reacting to the news last week about the possible new trial for the officers? >> we're quite disturbed about it. i guess the other families that are involved also are upset about it. >> now, what do you remember from the days following the storm and from the day of the shooting? >> well, we got information in bits. i was told that my brother was arrested, lance, and we were trying to find out what was going on and what happened, and then later we find out that my brother ronald had been shot and killed. so we were very, very destroyed by that information. that small amount of information
we did receive. we were out of touch with him for a few days after the storm started, and we were desperately trying to locate them. >> your brother lance was with ronald on the bridge. >> yes. >> and was actually arrested in the cover-up. i mean, what was that like for your family? >> well, we knew that what they claimed that he did couldn't have been true. i know my brother well. he was there trying to help my other brother ronald make it through the storm. they were going across the bridge trying to get help when they came upon the shooting. and when they witnessed the shooting, they tried to turn around and run back the other way. >> what would justice for your brother ronald and james frizette jr., what would that be? >> even though this was a case we feel they were murdered, we
were relieved that they were found guilty and were sentenced. i guess just the fact that justice had survived and was presented to the world that this couldn't happen or people couldn't get away with this type of atrocity with enough, i guess you would say, relief for us. we found relief that ronald didn't die for anything and his brother wasn't falsely arrested for anything. >> you know, i watched this and was down there a lot after katrina. i can't tell you how much i admire you and your family. the pain of losing your brother and then having to stand up and take the pain of what they've done. and you never, ever lowered the dignity and the stature that this cause represents, and i appreciate you being here. dr. romell madison, thank you.
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now that donald trump and his surprising success with evangelical voters. tonight he'll sit down for an interview with sarah palin. she previewed their conversation today, going after reporters who have questioned trump about his faith. quote, lamestream media asks gop personal, spiritual gotchas. it is a personal what the heck does it have to do with serving as commander in chief? i'll cover this in my interview with donald trump and other candidates tonight. end of quote. palin's post comes after trump made his headlines for this week for declining to get into specifics. when asked about the bible. >> i'm wondering what one or two of your most favorite bible
verses are. >> i wouldn't want to get into it. because to me it's very personal. when i talk about bible, it's very personal. >> there's no verse that means a lot to you that you think about or cite? >> the bible means a lot to me, but i don't want to get into specifics. >> he doesn't want to get into specifics. yet at the same time he's winning over the evangelicals? a new poll shows trump with 24% of the evangelical vote. right now nearly double his closest competitor. what's the secret to trump's success with evangelicals, and could they help get him the nomination? joining me now or t"the washington post"'s e.j. dionne and angela rye. are you surprised how well trump is doing with evangelical voters? >> i'm not surprised he's getting about the same share of evangelicals as he's getting of
every other kind of republican. i think there are two things going on here. one, he is a celebrity, he is well known, and he's more interesting than any of these other candidates even though the word "interesting" covers a lot of ground. the second thing is he's doing better than average among conservatives who are especially angry at their party's leadership and there are a bunch of evangelicals in that category. having said that, i would bet -- if i can bet with a man of the cloth -- that when people actually start voting, donald trump isn't going to be the evangelicals' choice. they would go to ben carson, maybe ted cruz, mike huckabee will get a share. we're making a lot of the fact that trump leads among them. we don't know the depth of this yet. i have a suspicion, you know, he can't quote his favorite bible verse and the like, that a lot of evangelicals will go
somewhere else. >> last month, angela, at the family leadership summit in iowa, trump was asked about whether he even asks god for forgiveness. now, listen to his response. >> i'm not sure i have. i just go and try and do a better job from there. i don't think so. i think if i do something wrong, i think i just try and make it right. i don't bring god into that picture. i don't. when i drink my little wine, which is about the only wine i drink and have my little cracker, i guess that's a form of asking for forgiveness. and i do that as often as possible because i feel cleansed, okay? >> angela, i mean, how do you say that and get the support of evangelical voters? >> well, rev, you know what i'm starting to think? i'm starting to think that he's reminding them of someone they once knew perhaps in the old testament. since i know you're about two days off from your next sermon, let's go to the old testament. i'm thinking king neb ba ka
nezer. pride comes before the fall. he's showing this in the worst way. here he's saying he doesn't have to ask pore forgiveness, maybe that he doesn't have to but that he doesn't normally do that. i'm a crist yam woman. i ask for forgiveness regularly. maybe i do more sinning than donald trump. since i won't throw stones living in a glass house, he certainly reminds me of someone i've read about my own bible. and i know the verse. >> interesting night. i've got one man wanting to bet with a man of the cloth and a political strategist telling me about king neb u ka nezer. >> hey. >> he made a point recently to talk about what he calls a war on christianity, e.j. listen to this. >> there's an assault on anything having to do with christianity. a week doesn't go by where there isn't some negative ruling on something having to do with christianity. i'll be fighting on the other side much stropger than anybody else you have up there fighting because i think it's really out rage us. >> now, is this the kind of talk
that's helping him with evangelical voters, e.j.? >> absolutely. by the way, on that quote on not asking for god's forgiveness, i do want to give trump credit, which i don't do very often. that's an honest answer. it is hard to imagine donald trump >> you know, angela, this has real political significance
because evangelical voters made up a huge part of the electorate in 2012. 23% of voters in 2012 said they identify as evangelical. how important will the vote be in the 2016 election? >> it's only important if they turn out. right now what we're seeing is, for whatever reason, donald trump is ginning up that particular base in the republican party. it is clear that they feel like they want to hedge their bets on someone who will win. and they think that he's a winner because, as e.j. just said, he's honest even if he doesn't have to request forgiveness. that's what we're seeing, not so much about whether he aligns with them from a biblical standpoint and more about the fact that they're tired of being beholden to liberal interests, if you will. the other thing that's really interesting to watch is how evangelicals over the course of the last four or five years have changed their views on things. you all would recall when evangelicals were a huge part of
the need for comprehensive immigration reform. >> right. >> and siding with the 11 million folks who needed a pathway. now they've taken a 180 and are on the opposite side of that and siding with donald trump. it's interesting to see their own evolution and we don't know where they'll end up by the time 2016 comes. >> "the wall street journal" reports that trump is set to meet with a group of evangelicals later this month, but a spokeswoman for mr. trump's presidential campaign said the event isn't affiliated with his campaign organization, quote, it's a private meeting. what do you make of this? >> i think it's a private meeting connected to politics. i don't know why they don't want to talk more about it. i mean, where evangelicals really matter are in iowa where they are a very high percentage of the caucus turnout, so trump wants to go after them for that. and they also -- white
evangelicals also matter a lot in the southern primaries. they helped rick santorum and newt gingrich beat mitt romney across a whole series of southern primaries. so if you're a republican and want to win iowa and the southern primaries, you have to go after the white evangelical vote. and he knows that. >> e.j. dionne and angela rye, thank you for your time tonight. and have a good weekend. >> thank you. >> you too, reverend, thanks. how the murder of a chicago teenager 60 years ago is still impacting us today. fact. every time you take advil you're taking the medicine doctors recommend most for joint pain. more than the medicine in aleve or tylenol. the medicine in advil is the number one doctor recommendation for joint pain. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil no sixth grader's ever sat with but your jansport backpack is permission to park it wherever you please. hey. that's that new gear feeling. this week, these folders just one cent.
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