tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC September 5, 2015 3:00am-4:01am PDT
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comments on the e-mail controversy, it includes secretary clinton moving beyond saying yes to the iran deal to the point she starts taking credit for the work it took to get that deal done. owning it making it basically a hillary clinton deal as well as a barack obama deal. she also takes a shot at donald trump's campaign slogan. she stands up but also on behalf of kareem abdul-jabbar. and in the first portion of the interview that we're going to show you she gives a forceful defense of one of the things she gets criticized for a lot. which is that she's too careful, too safe. andrea mitchell asks secretary clinton here what she thinks about the crowds that are flocking to candidates like bernie sanders on the left and donald trump on the right, what she thinks about all of the praise for joe biden's authenticity, andrea asks secretary clinton if that's because in contrast she is too lawyerly. watch. >> looking at the campaign now,
you see huge crowds for bernie sanders, and for donald trump, and people talking about joe biden having an opening if he decides to make a difficult joyce chois on an emotional level which we understand. they talk about how authentic these candidates are. does it hurt you when people say you're too lawyerly, you parse your words, you're not authentic, you're not connecting. >> well, that's just not my experience out campaigning. i feel very, very good about where we are. we built a terrific organization and the early states, and we're expanding into those states that we'll be after. iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada. the level of support, the intensity of support that i'm experiencing as i speak with people and talking about issues that i know are on their minds. i want to be the president who deals with all those big problems that are in the headlines, but also those problems that keep families up
at night. and that's why i started out listening because i think you can come with your own ideas and you can you know, wave your arms and give a speech. but at the end of the day, are you connecting with and really hearing what people are either saying to you or wishing that you would say to them. so on everything from mental health issues to substance abuse to college affordability, to the continuing struggles that families face despite the fact that we've got a recovery and unemployment's down, people aren't feeling it. i am very excited and very energized by the campaign that i'm rung and after labor day you kind of move more toward the laying out of your plans and moving toward debates and having the exchanges that you expect in a campaign. that's the next stage and i'm looking forward to that. >> are there real differences, big differences between you and joe biden?
on domestic or foreign policy? >> you know, i'm not going to address any of the political questions around my friend joe biden. he has to make a really difficult decision. you can see him struggling with it and i just wish the best for him and his family. if he continues as vice president he will continue to serve with great distinction. if he gets into this race there will be plenty of time to get into the debate and the back and forth. i think everybody should give him the space and respect he deserves to make what is a very difficult choice for him and his family. >> you're going to be giving a big speech on iran next week. at the same time donald trump and ted cruz are holding a rally on capitol hill against the iran deal. what do you say to your friends, many of them in the jewish community who think this is a terrible deal? >> right. well, that's why i'm giving a speech next wednesday because i was involved in the preliminary work. i helped to put together the
sanctions that pushed iran to the negotiating table. i was the person who explored the early efforts to see whether there could be a negotiation, so i believe that the agreement is not perfect, it is by no means some kind of validation of iran, you know, my view is don't trust and verify. but it is a very important step and it is better than the alternative. so on wednesday i will be outlining in great detail both why i support the agreement, but equally importantly, what i would do as president to enforce it, to hold iran accountable, and to make clear that no options were off the table that they can never ever have a nuclear weapon. so this is not only about the agreement and what looks to be its approval by the congress, it's about what comes next. and i think that the american
people are going to want a president who supports diplomacy even with those who are our adversaries to try to reach the kind of understandings that we have but who will also get up every day and enforce that agreement strongly and vigilantly and i think that's a far better approach than some of the words you will hear on the same day that i deliver my speech from those who apparently don't believe in diplomacy, don't believe in the hard work of putting together international coalitions, don't believe in trying to get the best deal you can and then don't believe that it needs to be enforced the way i would enforce it. >> donald trump among other things he's done has really personally attacked one of your closest aides, huma abedin. what was your feeling about that? >> he is attacked so many people including my close aide and myself and many other people.
you know, i can take that. i mean that's just par for the course. i do regret that he is going after so many people, many of them by name. from great basketball players to people who express different opinions from him. i think it's an unfortunate development in american politics that his campaign is all about who he is against, whether it's immigrants or women broadcasters or aides of other candidates. he is the candidate of you know, being against. the vision that i have for america is the how we come together. how we work together. how we set big goals again. whether it's combatting climate change and getting moving on clean energy or making college affordable, i have specific plans about what i think would be good for the american people and good for us as a nation. i think we are a great country, and i think we are great because
of our values, because of our history, because of the way we've overcome adversity, how we keep moving toward a more perfect union. that's what i'm running on. so he can run his own campaign, he can unfortunately do what he's doing which i think is a bad development for our american political system. >> do you think he had a point in raising the question whether it was appropriate for her to take a state department salary and also being paid by an outside company closely associated with your husband, by you? >> i was not directly involved in that but everything that she did was approved under the rules as they existed by the state department. so i, again, he can -- he's great at innuendo and conspiracy theories and really defaming people. that's not what i want to do in my campaign and that's not how i'm going to conduct myself.
and i also believe the president of the united states does have to be careful about what he or she says. i do know sometimes people say well, i'm careful about what i say. that's because for more than 20 years i've seen the importance of the president of the united states, the leader not only of our nation but of the world having to send messages that will be received by all kinds of people. loose talk, threats, insults, they have consequences, so i'm going to conduct myself as i believe is appropriate for someone seeking the highest office in our country. >> front running democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton today. asked once but looping back twice to this issue of her speaking carefully. keeg off what she described as donald trump's inthe you endue and conspiracy theories and defaming people. she says over the course of 20 years one of the things she has learned is that loose talk,
threats, insults, they have consequences. and she also defended kareem abdul-jabbar. who donald trump is now attacking for having criticized mr. trump. kareem abdul-jabbar was here last night to talk about that fight. hillary clinton is now defending kareem abdul-jabbar's honor against donald trump. and the whole thing gives me the best reason i've had to show you one of the all-time greatest photographs ever taken of andrea mitchell. with kareem abdul-jabbar. i'll direct your attention to the fact in this picture andrea mitchell is wearing heels. we'll be right back. >> i do regret that he is going after so many people. many of them by name. from great basketball players to people who express different opinions from him. about a deal?
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open arms willing to receive. should the united states raise its quotas and permit more people from syria to come in? >> well, the pictures, the stories we've been watching this terrible assault on the syrian people now for years, are just heartbreaking. and i think the entire world has to come together. it should not be just one or two countries or not just europe and the united states. we should do our part as should the europeans but this is a broader global crisis. we now have more refugees than we've had in many years i think since the second world war. as we've seen tragically, people are literally dying to escape the conflict in syria. i think that the larger middle east, i think asia, i think everybody should step up and say we have to help these people and i would hope that under the egis
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if you have had a conversation with a hillary clinton supporter lately, then you know about the anxiety. there's this palpable worry even among her fans, in this question, but what about the e-mails? today secretary clinton had the longest and most substantive exchange ever about her private e-mail account that she used at state. andrea mitchell grilled her on it relentlessly. there are really two simultaneous ways to watch her response to that grilling. one is hillary clinton proving her case there is no substance to the concerns about her private e-mail server at state? two, is hillary clinton soothing the anxiety among her base? is she convincing supporters that she is going to be able to weather this as a political storm. watch. >> you said recently that using your personal e-mail while you
were secretary of state was not the best choice. that you take responsibility. are you sorry? >> well, i certainly wish that i had made a different choice and i know why the american people have questions about it and i wanted to make sure that i answer those questions, starting with the fact that my personal e-mail use was fully above board. it was allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. but in retrospect it certainly would have been better, i take responsibility, i should have had two accounts, one for personal and one for work-related. and i have been as transparent as i could asking that all 55,000 pages be released to the public, turning over my server, looking for opportunities to testify before congress, i've offered for nearly a year, finally the committee will give me a chance to testify in public toward the end of october.
and i'm going to answer these questions and i'm also going to continue to talk about what's important to the people that i meet about this presidential campaign because it really is critical that we renew the basic bargain of america so that if you work hard you do your part you can get ahead, have equal pay for equal work and all of the other important issues on people's minds. >> this has created even what your campaign manager said are head winds, a lot of noise out there. let's get through some of it. first of all, are you sorry, do you want to apologize to the american people for the choice you snad >> well, it wasn't the best choice and i certainly have said that. i will continue to say that as i have said many times it was allowed and it was fully above board. the people in the government knew that i was using a personal account. but it would have been better if i had two separate accounts to begin with and certainly i'm doing all i can now to try to be
as transparent about what i did have on my work-related e-mails and i think they will be coming out. i wish it were faster. it's a little frustrating it's taking a while but there is a process that has to be followed. >> since 1995, the state department foreign affairs manual said that all e-mails, all records had to be preserved, in 2005, the manual is updated to say quote sensitive but unclassified information should not be transmitted through personal e-mail accounts. eight months after you took office the u.s. code of federal regulations was updated to say, that agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic e-mail messages using a system not operate bid the agency must ensure that federal records sent or received on such existing systems are preserved by the appropriate agency recording system. so there were a lot of advisories, no laws, correct, but a lot of advisories
including white house guidance against using personal e-mail and especially personal e-mail exclusively. you say just now you said people in the government knew you used pe perm e-mail. the e-mails released indicate that the help desk didn't know. they couldn't recognize what your e-mail address was. >> the people i was e-mailing to on the dot gov system knew and they would respond to me on my personal e-mail. i do think it's a fair question. it was allowed and i chose to do it as others who had been in high official positions had as well. and i believed and it's turned out to be very much confirmed that the vast majority of everything that i was sending to a dot gov, the official government account, would be captured. and i have gone the extra step and gone through all of the e-mails that i had. from those four years in the
state department. to make sure that anything, even being overly inclusive that could possibly be work-related was made available to the state department. >> a few quick points, an inspector general's report last march that said in 2011 only 61,000 e-mails at the state department out of more than a billion were preserved because the archival system for five years was so bad and people didn't know how to use it. weren't trained properly. so things weren't captured at the receiving end. >> well, that's not the case with my e-mails. i know that our government, and this is an issue we must address s not up to speed technically. and there is a huge amount of information, i can just speak about the state department certainly, but the entire government as we have seen that the white house and every other agency, is struggling to try to keep up with the onslaught of e-mails. >> does it concern you that people don't trust your answers
on this? there was a quinnipiac, i know this poll, republicans and democrats, but the first words that came to mind when asked about you were liar, untrustworthy, crooked. how does that make you feel? >> certainly doesn't make me feel good. but i am very confident that by the time this campaign has run its course, people will know that what i've been saying is accurate and i will have a chance to do that in front of the entire world with the congressional committee hearing. they may disagree as i now disagree with the choice that i made but the facts that i have put forth have remained the same. but more importantly, the american people will know that they can trust me when it comes to standing up for them and fighting for them and you know, being their advocate and champion. i think that's what this election when it's all said and done has to be about. who has the vision for america, who will be there every single
day trying to renew the basic bargain americans should expect, who has the tenacity and the skill to do that, and i'm very confident that the american people will believe that i do and will support me for president. >> couple of other quick points. why did you wipe the server clean even after you knew that a congressional committee or more committees were investigating and why delete the 30,000 or so e-mails that were deemed personal and how did you decide what to delete what not to delete. >> let me tell you the process. i'm glad you asked that because i think it is one of the questions that people have. in the fall, i think it was october of last year, the state department sent a letter to previous secretaries of state asking for help with their record keeping. in part because of the technical problems that they knew they had to deal with.
and they asked that we, all of us, go through our e-mails to determine what was work-related and to provide that for them. the letter came to my lawyers, i asked my lawyers to please do that and it took weeks but they went through every e-mail. every single e-mail. they were overly inclusive. if they thought anything was connected, so inclusive the state department has told us they are going to return 1200 e-mails because they were totally personal. at the end of that process, again following the request of the state department, they had to print out all those e-mails that were work-related. it ended up being 55,000 pages. those were delivered to the state department. they kept a thumb drive that was delivered to or kept by my lawyers under lock and key. that left all of the personally mails and i was asked do you
need keep your personal e-mails and i said no, you can delete those and they were. but that doesn't change what we were asked to do, how carefully we did it and even the state department said we sent them things that they don't believe they should have gotten. >> you know what a lot of people are asking. why? why have just a personal system. you've said that it was because it was convenient. clearly from the e-mails released it wasn't convenient. there were a lot of confusing things, breakdowns, outages. why do that? were you trying to keep reporters or investigating committees way way? >> well, i had a personal e-mail when i was in the senate as the vast majority of senators do. it was very convenient. i did all of my business on my personal e-mail. >> national security -- >> that's why i'm so careful about classified information as has been confirmed repeatedly by the inspectors general over and
over, i did not send or receive any material marked classified. we dealt with classified material on a totally different system. i dealt with it in person, on secure phone lines, i had the traveling team, the technical team that went me, set up tents so when i was traveling anything that was classified would be protected from prying eyes. i take classified material very, very seriously. we followed all of the rules on classified materials. what happens when you ask or when a freedom of information request asks that information be made public, all the agencies get to weigh in. what you're hearing from other agencies is it wasn't classified at the time but now we think it should be. and that is not uncommon. in fact, if i'd had just a government account that was on the unclassified system, they
would go through the same process. so again, it's confusing and that's why i'm trying to do a better job of explaining it to the american people. >> you have said that colin powell did the same thing, he had a personal e-mail and a state dot gov official e-mail system so he didn't just rely on a personal system. i don't think there is a precedent for any one just relying on a personal e-mail system at your level of government. >> well, i can't speak for him. that certainly has been portrayed differently depending upon how it's considered. but this was fully above board, people knew i was using a personal e-mail. i did it for convenience. i sent e-mails that i thought were work related to people's.gov accounts. the majority were captured by the system. and now we made sure that everything that could be considered work-related is in
the system of the state department. >> did any one in your inner circle say this isn't such a good idea, let's not do this? >> i was not thinking a lot when i got in. there was so much work to be done. we had so many problems around the world. i didn't really stop and think what kind offy e-mail system will it be. >> it ratz judgment questions? >> i don't think so. i think the facts are pretty clear that we had a lot of hard work, hard choices to make in those four years and i'm very proud of the work we did, i'm very proud of all of the people that i worked with. i think we really served our country well. now the state department has everything they could have. at the end of the day i am sorry that this has been confusing to people and has raised a lot of questions. but there are answers to all of these questions and i will continue to provide those and those answers have been confirmed and afifrmed by the state department and other
government officials. eventually i'll get to testify in public and i'm sure it will be a long and grueling time there, but all the questions will be answered. i take responsibility and it wasn't the best choice. >> was not the best choice. hillary clinton after she did this interview. hillary clinton got thrown all of this shade in the press that she didn't properly apologize. if you watch that exchange between her and andrea and you think that secretary clinton is not expressing regret about the e-mail system then you are watching that through very thick glasses. so thick they could be warped. more including ap dreeia mitchell live. medium, large and extra large. if you need less data, pick small. if you need more, go with extra large-- a whopping 12 gigs for $80 a month plus $20 per phone. pick a size. change it up anytime.
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so this clip i'm about to show you is amazing. it happened 20 years ago tomorrow. it's then health and human secretary donna shalala fighting past a blockade by chinese security forces. note the reporter on the other side of the fight. >> i'm fine. >> was there police? police or military? what happened when you tried to get through the gate? >> they were lined up with their
arms locked. and they were only letting you knowsh a handful of people through. more importantly people were pushing at our back. >> andrea mitchell and secretary shalala in beijing 20 years ago for the address by then first lady hillary clinton on women's rights. lots of members of the u.s. government and the chinese government did not want them to be there. 20th anniversary of that beijing speech is tomorrow. >> we've got the president of china coming later this month, a few weeks, for a state visit. 20 years ago tomorrow you were leading the delegation and gave a speech that accused china of human rights abuses, you said that women's rights are human rights and human rights are 0 women's rights. and i'm wondering whether you feel 20 years later that women have any more rights, have made
progress in china and indeed around the world? >> andrea, it feels like yesterday. you were there in beijing. >> we were kids. >> i was very humbled and proud at the same time to represent the united states and make that speech and to set forth a platform for action. 20 years later i would say this. women and girls have made progress in health, and in education, in health we have done a lot to improve women's health, particularly lower maternal mortality. in education, we have closed the gap in primary education so that girls are attending at about the same rate as boys. but the gap then comes back in secondary education so we have work to do. but if you look at economic rights and participation, political rights and participation, security and conflict, we have a lot to do. so, it's a glass half filled
kind of scenario. as a senator, as secretary of state, i argued strongly for putting women's rights at the center of foreign policy because when women have rights you are more likely to have a middle class, you are more likely to have more stable families, we are more likely to have the opportunity for democracy to take hold and grow. so this for me was not only a moral issue, humanitarian issue, a rights and equality issue, it was a security and strategic issue. i'm going to continue to make that case. there has been progress in china. they have a long way to go as so many other countries do. but even in advanced economies like our own, we don't have equal pay for equal work. the minimum wage is what, two thirds of the people on minimum wage are women. that's not a way to get yourself out of poverty. we still have our own
challenges. and clearly my run forge president is a way of sending a message that we have unfinished business in america and we have an opportunity to lift up everyone, women, men, girls and boys, at the same time. >> i didn't know this at the time but you kept that speech very secret because you knew that the state department and the white house national security advisers did not want you to deliver that strong a message. never before had a first lady taken the world stage and shaken things up. did you geft a lot of blow back? did your husband or others -- respond? >> before i went there was a lot of hand wringing and concern. in the congress as well as in the administration. but i made it clear that i was going to go. we had an excellent delegation, it was bipartisan in those days, both the democrats and
republicans. and madeleine albright then our ambassador to the u.n. was the official head of the delegation. i was the honorary chair of it. i made it clear that even though it was 20 years ago it was a critical issue about america's values and our interests and our future security. so i made the case and i went. i was pleased after the speech some of the naysayers contacted me and thanks me for doing it. >> i love that part about the naysayers. kind of donald trumpesque. all these who criticize me they called me privately and tell me they are sorry. it's trump-esque of her in the best possible way. one last thing to show you in which andrea mitchell asks hillary clinton a question that catches her so off guard she does this. that's next.
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>> unfortunately both. i'd like to be one or the other. >> work out of choice? >> swimming. but that's not always available so treadmill and weights and walking. >> and the food you crave most? >> probably chocolate. >> i'm with you on that. what are you binge watching? right now we were so late in watching house of cards we're nearly done with the season. >> text or e-mail? not sure that's -- aropriate but -- we ask that question. we're asking you. >> e-mail. >> and one thing you cannot live without. >> sleep. don't get enough of it. always want more of it. >> thank you again. >> thanks. >> andrea mitchell covered clinton, hillary and clinton, bill. that now include this is land
mark aggressive far reaching interview with the front running democratic presidential candidate who is usually notoriously unavailable for comment. andrea mitchell joins us. congratulations on this. >> thank you, rachel. >> take a deep breath now. >> i don't want you interviewing me. how did you get her -- how did you get her to talk to you? this is the longest interview since she has been running, only the third sit down national interview in this whole cycle. >> i think there are a lot of parts. perhaps because they realized that they needed a reset. the campaign needed to do a serious interview on this subject. the one they did a couple of weeks back with cnn was before a lot of other things had happened. and they have been answering questions periodically on the campaign trail. it's not a serious response. they tried to joke about it with snapchat. they tried to be aggressive and
defensive. what, didi wipe the server clean with a cloth? and you can't joke about this stuff. once the fbi is involved and then once just you know, 24 hours ago we learn that one of her former aides who set up the server is going to tell the committee next week that he's taking the fifth, you can't joke about this stuff. it's going to be around for a while so deal with it and try to be as transparent as you can. >> you pressed her so hard on the e-mail issue, obviously those are her most extensive comments on it and she never had to answer so many follow-up questions. did you come away with a new understanding of the scope of the problem and how she's handling it? >> i've come away with the fact that on the subject of why and how she got rid of all of those 30,000 e-mails, she had the lawyers do it. >> yes. that was new. >> in talking to intelligence officials, and the state department officials as recently as just this week, intensively,
it is true there was no such thing as a classified portable blackberry or device. so if you are an assistant secretary of state you are traveling to a foreign capital speaking to a foreign leader and need to report back you have to go to an embassy, a secure place. even if it weren't on the private system there are all sorts of glitches on how classified information is transmitt transmitted. people are communicating back by saying i was just with so and so and everybody all the bad guys know who that is and the chinese and russians are hacking them anyway. so there is that. but white house officials are pretty upset because they are told by the chief of staff and the national security adviser on a weekly basis, are your private system, your official system, don't mix the two. and the fact that she only had private is what they find inexcusable. >> andrea mitchell, congratulations on this scoop today. you are a very good interviewer,
only you could have got this interview. and you made a ton of news today. thanks. >> thank you. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you next week. "weekends with alex witt" starts now. relief, a break through allows thousands of stranded migrants to leave behind misery for now. the latest in a live report. new hurdles, the current presidential front-runners facing tough questions, will it cost them support? the fight over faith. more protests expected today in kentucky where a clerk still refuses to issue same-sex marriage licenses in her name. cars for a new generation. which is the number one choice of millennials, the answer in big money headlines. good morning. welcome to weekends with alex witt. it's 7:00 here in the east. 4:00 a.m. out west.