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this sunday, former secretary of state colin powell, his first interview since the nuclear deal, his stand on race in america and on election 016 and our nbc news marist poll from two states where it counts the most, iowa and new hampshire. who is up? who is down? and which of these candidates may now have a reason to worry. also, jeb bush takes on trump. >> there's one candidate in this -- in the republican party that is preying on people's angst and fears, that has a philosophy not about the goodness and greatness of the american people. will it work? >> so far everybody that's attacked me have gone down the tubes. >> and the big interview with hillary clinton about her e-mail mess.
>> i didn't really stop and think what kind of e-mail system will there be. >> finally, will this heartbreaking picture change how the world deals with syria. joining me for insight and analysis this sunday morning with tom brokaw of nbc news, pulitzer prize winning historian doris kearns goodwin, msnbc's joy reed and radio talk show host hugh hewitt. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good morning. might have noticed something different about the open of the show. you heard it right. we have a new announcer, and appropriately that was the voice of a tv president, dennis haysberg who played david palmer in "24." down to business. fascinating new poll numbers out of new hampshire, and we'll get to that and this week we learned congress cannot stop the nuclear
deal, not stopping donald trump and ted cruz from attending a rally here in washington that will attempt to showcase opposition to the deal. the trump/cruz duo is symptomatic of how polarized politics have become. 70% of republicans think congress should approve the deal and 15% of republicans, a polarized item these days. no better guests than to discuss the iran guest and other issues including the 2016 race, former secretary of state colin powell. is this a good deal? >> i studied what's in that deal and looked at the opposition to the deal, and in my judgment, after balancing those two sets of information is that it's a pretty good deal. now, i know that there are objections to it, but here's why i think it's a good deal. one of the great concerns that the opposition has that we're leaving open a lane for the
iranians to go back to creating a nuclear weapon in 10 or 15 years, well, forgetting the reality that they have been on a super highway for the last ten years to create a nuclear weapon or a nuclear weapons program with no speed limit, and in the last ten years they have gone from 136 centrifuges up to something like 19,000 centrifuges. this agreement will bring them down to 5,000 centrifuges. all of them under iaea supervision and i think this is a good outcome. other thing i noticed is they had a stockpile of something in the neighborhood of 12,000 kilograms of uranium. this deal will bring it down to 300 kilograms. i mean, kilograms. >> right. >> and it's a remarkable reduction and i'm amazed that they would do this, but they have done it, and with respect to their plutonium effort, plutonium reactor at iraq, which is now starting to operate, it's going to be shut down, except for minor parts of it, and concrete will be poured into the
reactor core vessel, and so these are remarkable changes, and so we have stopped this highway race that they were going down, and i think that's very, very important. now, will they comply with if? will they -- will they actually do all of this? well, they get nothing until they show compliance and that's the important part of the -- of the arrangement. >> well, the other criticism of this deal has to do with behavior changes. why didn't we ask for -- it wasn't enough to just try to slow them down on their nuclear front or stop their ability to get a nuclear weapon. it is should we also put in this deal having them stop the funding of hamas, stop the funding of hezbollah, stop the backing of assayed in syria. what do you say to that? >> all of those are important objectives and should not be set aside because of this deal. we have to keep pushing on the bad behavior iranians show throughout the world but this deal specifically had to do with the thing that was most concerning to the world, most dangerous to the world and that was their nuclear program which could produce a weapon in a very short period of time that.
has been thrown into a detour. it isn't going to happen, and in 10 or 15 years we don't know what the future will hold, but it's not clear that 10 or 15 years from now they will want to start it up again or the material that has been under iaea supervision for the 10 or 15-year period will be available or suitable for such an increase and so that's pretty good. the real issue i think that came down to the opposition is how do you verify it and i'm reminded of what my former boss ronald reagan used to say when he spoke to the soviets, trust but verify with respect to the iranians is don't trust, never trust and always verify and i think a very vigorous verification has been put in place with the iaea and other international organizations and especially listening to the secretary of energy moniz, knows this stuff, is a nuclear physicist and he and the intelligence community are confident that they can verify what's happening inside of iran. >> we can chock some of the
opposition here in united states politics and that's fine, but our allies in the gulf and, of course, israel are probably the most opposed to this deal as well, and they in some ways have been generating the opposition here in the united states. >> well, i understand, yeah. >> when it comes to this deal. what do you say to their concerns, to the folks in saudi arabia and israel? >> i think that this deal, which, by the way, king salman give his approval for, if it unfold the way it's supposed to unfold, they will find they have been made my secure by derailing this iranian nuclear program and we also have to keep in mind that we are in this with a number of other countries. all of the ones that have worked with us, china, russia, germany, france, britain, they have already agreed to it. the british foreign secretary was already in iran last week with a trade delegation, and so even if we were to kill this deal, which is not going to happen, it's going to take effect anyway because all these
other countries in it with us are going to move forward. the u.n. is going to move forward, and 100 nations have already agreed to the -- to this deal thinking it's a good deal and they will all be moving forward. we'll be standing on the sidelines. >> you were involved in an administration that negotiated a nuclear deal that tried to stop nk from getting a nuclear weapon. that didn't work. why will this deal not look like the north korean deal in five years? >> the north korean deal was flawed from the 1994 original agreement all the way through, an after a while my view of north korea was they can never use a nuclear weapon without committing suicide. i think the same thing is true with iran. if i was with the iranians just like i've said to the north koreans you do realize any use or anybody thinking that you will be using one of these, you are committing suicide because your capital and your society will be destroyed the next day. if i was talking to the iranians at a senior level i would say what d you think you're getting
with this investment you've made all of these years? do you think that you could actually use these without having the entire world condemn you the next day for being the only nation to have used nuclear weapons since 1945? everybody will be against you. secondly, you won't accomplish any strategic purpose. you will have killed tens of thousands of people, destroyed part of a city and the next day you will see the repercussions in terms of what will be done to you, and so this is something that is a waste of your money, a waste of your time, and i think that you ought to enter this deal with the full intention of complying with the outline of the deal, with what's required of you to do, and cooperate fully with the inspectors. now, people will say can't trust them. i don't trust them. i say we have a deal. let's see how they implement the deal. if they don't implement it, bail out. none of our options are going. none of our options are going, but this is something we ought to pursue and try to make it happen under the terms under which the deal was reached. >> let me move to the crisis with isis which in some ways is
connected right now to the migrant crisis that's facing europe and the syrian refugee crisis, and the i guess i will quote jeb bush. jeb bush said in order to defeat isis you got to get rid of assad in syria, and we've got to deal with the syria problem. number one, is he right, and the what is your view on how to deal with isis in. >> isis is not just an enemy waiting to be defeated in syria and in iraq and elsewhere. it is a movement. it is not something that's going to lend itself to immediate military power to take it out. it's a movement, and it's going to have to be defeated by the people who live in the areas where this movement exists, so air power can just do so much, but air power is also destroying a lot of homes and towns and villages and other things and so i think especially in iraq it's going to take the iraqi army believing in its government and with a government that believes in its army and is giving the army what it needs to be successful. they have to not only defeat iraq on ground, but they have to hold the ground. they have to stay there or else it falls apart.
with respect to syria, i think that situation right now is so complex, so confusing between the government and damascus which is still there but seems to be weakening, between what the russians might or might not be doing at the moment, that is of concern to secretary ker de, and who would replace assad? who would replace any of the other groups that are fighting for power, whether it is isis or anyone else. i think syria has the potential of falling into the kind of disrepair that we've seen in libya and elsewhere. >> i want to play for you a compendium of presidential candidates on iraq because obviously with jeb bush's presence in the race it's brought up the iraq war again, and it's been amazing to hear all these republican candidates repudiate the war. >> i never would have committed ourselves to iraq. >> the intelligence was clearly wrong, and what we know now about the intelligence, no, i would not have authorized the war in iraq. >> the iraq war was a mistake. it was based on false intelligence. >> i would have not engaged, i
would have not gone into iraq. >> if we -- >> if we had known the intelligence was wrong, we would not have gone into iraq but the intelligence community, all 16 agencies assured us that it was right. my speech at the u.n. was based on that information, but guess what? 376 members of congress, if i have my number correctly, voted on the basis of that intelligence that it was something the president can do. we tried to avoid it. i asked the president if we could take it to the united nations, and he agreed. we took the case to the united nations. all saddam had to do to get out of jail at that time was to comply with the requirements of the united nations. he chose not to, and the president decided based on the intelligence that he had and what he knew about the overall situation that military force was necessary. we quickly took baghdad. my own personal belief is that after taking baghdad we made terrible strategic mistakes. the disbanding of the iraqi army, which we were counting on,
the pentagon asked us to count on that army to provide the security, and so i think the execution of the operation was flawed, badly flawed, but the president made a decision as commander in chief based on the information and intelligence he had. >> look, there were a lot of people who wondered if dealing with the iraq war would not create a bigger mess overall and believe it or not of all people a former secretary of defense in the mid-'90s, i wanted to play for you a clip of him who later became vice president, here's what he said why the first george bush didn't take out saddam. >> that's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government in iraq you can easily end up seeing pieces of iraq fly off, part of it -- the syrians would like to have to the west, part of eastern iraq, the iranians would like to claim, fought over for eight years. in the north you've got the kurds and the kurds spin loose and join with the kurds in turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of turkey. it's a kwaquagmire if you go th
fault. dick cheney talking the kurds and a kwaug fire and the problems we would have with the border with syria and iraq. did the iraq war caused this problem? >> the second bush administration, my view was, remember, if you break this, you're going to own it. >> i believe you call it the pottery barn rule. >> somebody else did but i'll accept it. >> fair enough. a news man, as a matter of fact, but that's okay. but the fact of the matter is we did it right in the first gulf war. we had to listen to arguments for years afterwards about why didn't you go to baghdad and the 2003 war came along and you saw why you didn't want to go to baghdad. had a clear mission, clearly defined and put theory sources against that mission and talk out the iraqi army in kuwait, restored the government, what we set out to do and that's what mr. cheney was talking about and you can see from his words that
you can create chaos. once you pull out the top of a government, unless there's a structure under it to give security and structure to the society, you can expect a mess. we saw that totally in libya, perfect example n.egypt, we thought it was going to be good. we got rid of mubarak and now we have another general in charge of the country after a detour with the muslim brotherhood, so be very, very careful when you try to impose your system or your thinking on a society that's been around for thousands of years, and it is not really like us. >> i want to move to some domestic issues here. this has been a tumultuous year in race relations and the most poignant woemoment was in charleston. i want to show a clip of the president of what he said during the memorial service in charleston. >> maybe now we realize how racial bias can infect us even when we don't realize it so we're guarding not just against
racial slurs, but we're also guarding against the subtle impulse to call johnny back for a job interview but not jamal. >> is that where we are today, that we're still -- still got a ways to go? >> we do have a ways to go but let's not overlook how far we've come. 50 years ago nobody could have dreamed that a black president would be making the statement just made or that a black guy could be secretary of state, chairman of the national joint chiefs of staff and we've made great progress and in that progress a lot of people have been left behind and no illusions about the fact that there are still people in this country who will judge you by the color of your skin. i face it had in the course of my career, but i've always tried to make the problem that of the racist and not of me and just keep doing my job to the best of my ability. >> what do you make of the black lives matter movement in. >> the black lives matter, that's a way of capturing thissiesens of a problem where blacks have been killed by police officers in a way that doesn't seem appropriate, not that killing is appropriate in any circumstances and i don't
mind the slogan and movement because it draws attention to a problem but the greater problem is violence in our society. black on black violence is worse than white policeman on black violence, and when you see what's happening in every one of our cities every weekend, washington, d.c. right here, you've got to start asking yourself is there something we can do to reduce the celebs? is it gun control or more importantly is it teaching our children a different way? is it giving people more opportunities to have jobs and to have stable communities and stable schools and schools that work? how do we restore the families in our country, not just black families that are not as intact as they used to be? >> right? you'll see the same thing happening in white families and hispanic families. >> do you still see a dark vein of intolerance within the republican party. >> many people say why are you calling us racist. i'm not calling you racist but there's some people in the party that practice a level of
intolerance that's not good for the party or consistent with american values. >> your name gets invoked a lot during this e-mail controversy. once and for all can you explain what you did with your e-mails as secretary of state. >> you can read my book, wrote a whole chapter about what i did in my latest book t.worked for me, harper collins, buy it on amazon. i arrived at the state department with a disastrous system there and i had to fix it so what i had to do was bring the state department to the 21st century, and the way of doing that was getting them new computers that gave them access to the whole world and then in order to make sure that i changed the brainware of the department and not just the software and hardware, i started to use e-mail. i had two machines on my desk. i had a secure state department machine, which i used for secretarial material and a laptop i could use for e-mail and would e-mail relatives and friends and also e-mail in the department but it was mostly housekeeping stuff. what's the status of this paper? what's going on, my unclassified
system but i had a classified system also on my desk. >> do you believe this is a serious issue for secretary clinton or not? >> i can't answer that. you know, we now have two igs working on it, the fbi working on it, mrs. clinton and some of her associates will be testifying or be going before inquiries with the congress, and i think it's best for me to just talk about what i know and not what occurred under secretary clinton's jurisdiction. >> general powell, i would love to talk to you for longer, but we're going to stop there. thanks for coming on "meet the press," your 33rd appearance, in case you're counting. >> thank you. >> when we come back, we'll turn to the race for the white house and our brand new nbc news/marist polls out of new hampshire. the republican race, how "the economist" decided to look at the
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in explaining away bad poll numbers, it's getting pretty late to use the excuse that it's early. labor day kicks off a new phase in the 2016 race and we already got a taste of it this week. it's going to get a lot more contentious with brand new marist polls out of iowa and new hampshire. and for now we'll look at the republican side of the race. in iowa two candidates who never held office are blowing away the field. donald trump leads at 29%. ben carson close behind at 22%. combine they are over 50%. no other candidates rates double digits. in fact, no other candidate is about 6%.
look how things have changed since the last time we polled in july, six weeks ago. trump is up 12 points. carson tripled his number. meanwhile, jeb bush has been cut in half and the one-time leader scott walker, his campaign appears to be on the verge of imploding if not careful. once more as we look at the rest of the field, many candidates counting on a strong performance in iowa are barely on the board right now. we'll quickly move to new hampshire where trump is also dominating, 28% of the vote. second place is john kasich at 12%. the power of paid television ads on that one. carson again in double digits at 11% ahead of jeb bush and carly fiorina. since last polling in july, trump was ahead but lower, he's gained seven points. kasich and carson doubled their support. bush has faded, fiorina is growing. and paul, cruz, christie and walker and rubio round out the top ten. and scott walker went down from 12% in new hampshire to 4% right now. he was down from 19 to 15. walker's free-fall is probably one of the polls bigger stories.
let me bring in the panel, hugh hewitt, i'm going to start with you because you are here. we earlied you up. you and mr. trump had an interesting back and forth and we're going to get to that in a minute, but your reaction to the poll numbers. carson and trump, two unelectives. >> the second inning was good to carson and trump, the first inning was good to scott walker. we were talking baseball earlier, i'm going to use that throughout. i talked to add vadvisers in wa campaign, they are not worried. i think he will continue to grow and we'll see what happens with donald trump. he's unique. >> he is unique. i want to play, speaking of trump, i'm curious of your take on this. i got an interesting trump versus bush. bush decided to engage trump and decided he has to do it and started this week.
here it is. >> this guy can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. he's very low energy. >> this is not a guy who is a conservative. and using his own words is not a mischaracterization. >> when you get right down to it, we're a nation that speaks english. and i think while we're in this nation, we should be speaking english. >> i think donald trump is trying to insult his way to the presidency and it's not going to work. >> i watched him this morning on television. and it's a little bit sad. don't forget, he was supposed to win. >> i'm sure when he attacks me personally or disparages my family, you're damn right i'm going to fight back. i would hope you would, too. >> this is not the campaign jeb bush wanted to run. >> no, he wanted to run a campaign where he would be a sunny figure and not have to take out the general election by saying things in the primary that were going to hurt him. and he has to do this, however.
i think what trump did by saying he was weak energy made people feel, ah, unless he's fighting, this is today's world. unless you're fighting and saying things, you're weak. the question is is he conservative enough? trump supporters seem to be not concerned about where he is on conservative or where his past was, they like his attitude and stance. but sometimes when i listen to this i wonder, maybe we shouldn't have ever gotten into the primaries. 1912, the first primary ever. listen, the first primary ever in "the new york times" had an editorial because taft and teddy were both running for the nomination and calling each other fat heads and pig heads. this is so embarrassing. we hope the first presidential primary is the last ever. people are blushing over what is happening. >> by the way, they both were overweight at the time. tom, i'm curious, let me play the exchange heard around the world. the hugh hewitt pop quiz of donald trump. i'm curious your take on it.
let me play it. >> are you familiar with general solamani? >> yes, go ahead. give me a little, go ahead, tell me. >> he runs the quds forces. >> yes, okay, right. and i think the kurds, by the way, have been horribly mistreated by us. >> no, not the kurds, the quds forcers, the iranian revolutionary forces, the bad guys. >> right. >> i thought you said kurds, kurds. >> that was scott walker and marco rubio, tom. then you would say their camign is over. >> i thought it was an appropriate question. however, it is not the primary issue of donald trump. we remember eight years ago when george bush was running and couldn't name the prime minister of india. he was questioned by a boston reporter. i think we've got to get to the end of bomb-bast with donald trump. there's a river guide on the american west that describes
difficult clients has half-cocked in the ticked position. he doesn't say ticked off but another phrase. but that's the constituency of donald trump. a lot of people say, i don't want to deal with conventional politicians. this guy is saying all the things. but at some point he's got to tell us if he's going to take down obamacare and replace it with something a lot cheaper and more effective. give me the details on that. if you are going to move 11 million migrants back to their home country, how much is that going to cost? and the point of that is if someone came to him with a real estate deal that was only about, this is what i can do and no numbers attached to it. he would throw them out of the office. at some point both the press and voters have to say, show me the money, donald. >> show me details. very quickly, joy, react to this column. the conservative movement exploitation with the non-candidates, here's where is written this week in "the
washington post." in 2005 right after the defeat of the kerry-edwards ticket, beltway wisdom dictated that the party needed a red state governor to win the white house. and then? the 2006 party needed to settle on an electable candidate. republicans may be living through their own version of this. the weaker that clinton looks the more republicans can shop around. >> many republicans don't bring up hillary clinton. they just bring up the general frustration with the poll-tested, scripted nature of politics. and i think that the fact that donald trump is giving them political incorrectness is very appealing to white working class voter who is are overall frustrated with the political system, frustrated their party of choice, the republican party, hasn't been able to deliver on the thingses they promised. the republican party used the energy and enthusiasm of the tea party movement to get an office. and once in office, they say, well, we really can't do that. and i think that now you have people -- and i think we also are reaping the rewards of an
overconfidence in the quote/unquote businessman of things. they assume trump will figure it out. they love his messaging in terms of his style, but i don't think supporters are paying attention to the substance. >> we'll pause here and get to the democratic side of things in a moment. we have new polling on that side. here's the bottom line question you'll find out, whatever became of hillary clinton's ineligibility? m ♪ we don't use msg, bha, bht or partially hydrogenated oils. why? because if it's not a better ingredient, it doesn't make a better pizza. it's that simple. ♪
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democrats traditionally have been able to count on the support of organized labor, but as we enjoy this labor day weekend, membership unions remain in decline. in 1983 they accounted for 20.1% of american workers. by 2014 it was down to 11.1%. earlier this week i sat down with the current president of the afl-cio to see what it would take to work hard for hillary clinton. his answer was, whether she takes a stand against the
transpacific partnership or what is known as tpp. take a listen. >> so here's the difference. i think if she doesn't take a position on tpp, then you can say she's looking for our vote. if she does take a position on tpp, she's looking for our support. the difference is, if you get my vote, i come out on election day and pull the lever. if you have my support, i get up at 7:00 in the morning and i stuff 200 envelopes and make seven calls, i go knock on a few doors and get my neighbors all excited about voting for her as well. that's what is at stake for her. >> truhe also is going to be wi biden tomorrow. >> joe biden has been a champion for working people all this life. he's a blue-collar guy and is liked by the membership. he's liked by americans and makes a good president. hillary would make a good president. the number of people out there would make good presidents. the question becomes, are they
willing to articulate a message that really says to our members that workers out there, i'm not only going to talk about changing the rules of the economy, i'm going to fight to make them a reality. and a candidate that can convince our members, working america, that they are going to make the rules better for the working people, it will be a ground swell and a decision will be made quickly. >> the rest of the interview including trumka's interview can be found at meetthepressnbc.com. don't look now, bernie sanders is starting to take on hillary clinton directly. as hillary's campaign in iowa and new hampshire, has that helped to ward off the bad news? bernie to kill germs, i used to think a mouthwash had to burn. then i went pro with crest pro-health mouthwash. go pro with crest pro-health. it's formulated to target and kill 99% of germs
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nationally televised interview with my colleague, andrea mitchell, to answer the e-mail controversy. look at the new polling in iowa and new hampshire. over the last month the clinton campaign has been poring money into the campaigns in the states, over $2 million. and look at her numbers, while clinton leads bernie sanders in iowa, 38% to 37%. that's actually down from a 29-point lead in july before she went up with paid advertising. and now take a look at this. sanders is now ahead by 11 points in new hampshire. that is not a typo. we have him up 49%/38%. just two months ago before the hillary clinton campaign started running tv ads, she led sanders by 13 points. tom brokaw, this -- you know, you like to say the unforeseen. bernie sanders is the definition of the unforeseen. >> well, my wife reminded me the other day when everybody was saying that hillary was a lock six months ago. a lot of the women were saying it's over, she's going to win the nomination and finally have
a woman as president. something to remember, however, is the caveat in all of this. iowa is not a go to the polls and vote state. it's a caucus state that has to be extremely organized. a lot of peel forget that george w. bush beat ronald reagan in his home state of iowa, even though the polls showed it the other way. we are talking about a big universe here. we are also talking about iowa. she's made some huge mistakes in my judgment. and that wonderful interview that andrea initiated, and typically of andrea went right after the issue, when she said, i didn't think about the effect of e-mail, i was stunned. i mean, we were deep into the digital age at that point. she's secretary of state. >> do you believe her? >> well, i don't -- >> she didn't think about it? >> i believe she was presumptuous is what i believe. a lot of people believe she's presumptuous.
where were the security people at the state department saying, madam secretary, you have to have a secure server over here? you can have something off to the left like colin powell did. but at this point to suggest the secretary of state, as much as she was around, didn't think about the possibility of hacking just astonishes me. and i think it takes away from her big argument, i've been there, done that, i know what i'm doing. >> and now doris, i'm not going to put them up for now, people can get on the the website, she has an electability problem. joe biden is running stronger against trump and jeb. joe biden leads trump. this is an electability problem now. >> somebody said the unelectable became inevitable. she said in time my statements will be accurate. she's lost time because of the e-mail controversy. and the questions that are now rolling around integrity are the
most important attributes. if you lose time and integritying, i think she has to handle this and get on it harder than she has. and i think the the problem is when you see sanders, there's an army veteran who said, i'm for him because i feel a sense of movement for the first time since back from the army. and you don't feel that movement of girls and women to hillary that i thought was going to carry her through. >> you said the authenticity, sanders has it and clinton does. >> i think particularly white liberals were looking for a movement post barack obama. >> the new hampshire poll if you look at it, gary hart is beating walter mondale. the poor working class folks are for hillary. >> right. these are two states overwhelmingly white, so we are talking about a universe of more white liberals. however, one caveat on the biden numbers, who doesn't love joe biden, but this is him unadu
unadulterated. it is interesting he comes in to take 10% each from sanders and hillary. that he comes in and sort of takes from both houses. >> it didn't change the structure of the race. >> no, but he's an interesting addition. i think hillary needs energy. the feeling of movement that is around the sanders moment isn't there with hillary and at least not with women. they are zeroing in on trying to get that going with women, but maybe having somebody like joe biden in the race to really force her to sort of make the campaign more kinetic is what she needs. >> very quickly, there's a theory saying, some clinton people say, as bad as her poll numbers are, there's a bunch of republicans that wish they had her bad poll numbers. >> that's true. when you are envoking the fifth amendment, that's a bad week. and in the andrea mitchell interview, the other bad news is the refugee crisis. she said she would have
advocated for a more robust response when assad started to kill people. 4 million syrians are on the march. >> it's the most important overlooked piece of andrea's interview. what she said about syria and trying to break from the president, speaking of the syrian crisis, we're going to hit on that next. we'll switch topics next in this gracious transition there. we'll get a closer look at the growing crisis in europe and the question, should the u.s. do more to start taking ♪ our original dough is hand tossed and made fresh. there's a good reason why we never use frozen dough. it's because, there is no good reason to ever use frozen dough. ♪
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welcome back. there have been jubilent scenes as many arrived in austria and germany from hungary. but there's no sign of the crisis abating as tens of thousands more attempt to make the journey. over 360,000 migrants have crossed the mediterranean to reach europe so far this year. and over half of them are fleeing syria. the syrian refugees have endured a dangerous journey that started on the syrian/turkish border mostly traveling by boat from turkey to greece. with the budapest train station a main choke-point. we are at the train station in budapest where thousands are still hoping to continue their journey to the us a tri, austri.
a warning, this is a disturbing report. >> reporter: forced to pay attention by powerful images, the boy who washed up on a beach while trying to get to greece. the train in hungary blocked by poli police. migrants dragged off to camp. families at budapest's grand railway station and under it where conditions were so squalling they decided to walk out of the country until hungary got too embarrassed and decided to send buses to pick them up. but getting less attention is the cause of this crisis. these people are overwhelmingly from iraq and afghanistan where u.s. military interventions failed to reach stability. and from syria where a lack of international action allowed a civil war to rage on. they are escaping failed stakes and fail politics. it's been four years since the assad government started bombing its own people.
isis has now carved out its own state. if the u.s.-led war on isis were working, people wouldn't be going to such great lengths to leave and the u.s. is barely taking in any. >> the united states has always taken the position that as the leader of the world community, as the wealthiest country in the world, as an immigrant country ourselves, we have to respond to refugee disasters wherever they occur in the world. >> reporter: european officials perhaps troubled by their own dark past of trains, camps and unwanted people, have decided the solution is to redistribute the migrants among their nations. but the migrants don't want to go to poorer european countries. and there are simply too many of them draining the world's war zones and spreading them around europe won't work. >> when you have 11 million syrian homeless, half the population of syria, when you have these tragedies in iraq, syria, lebanon, yemen, libya, we've got to wake up and accept
the fact that the united states has a self interest in trying to end these humanitarian disasters. >> reporter: and the crisis is already causing the rise of the right wing. this is a global crisis that washington morally and strategically can't ignore. >> and richard, i guess you pointed to this in your piece, but ultimately this is about a policy that isn't working here. and already this morning the headline in "the new york times" is about the united states warning russia about their support of assad. obviously, the more russia supports assad, the longer this civil war lasts. >> reporter: it's really about a variety of crises, syria the biggest one of them, but also the unresolved situation in iraq, libya, the entire middle east into in a state of collapse. and what we're seeing now is just hopelessness from the people. people have decided that things are so bad in syria and other
parts of the muslim world that they are not going to get better and have no choice but to move on. and certainly action by russia to support the assad regime just convinces people even more that there is not a light at the end of the tunnel and they have to do whatever it takes to find a better place. and many people that germany and scandinavia are the only places to start new lives. >> richard engel, thank you very much. to discuss the response from this crisis, i'm joined by the president and ceo of the international rescue charity david miliband. welcome to "meet the press." let me ask you a basic question in today's new york times, it is simply who failed the 3-year-old child that was found dead on the shores there? who failed him? >> i think there have been three levels of failure. obviously, he was barrel-bombed out of his own city. first of all, damascus and then
kobani, so this starts with president to assad. secondly, there's a chronic failure of the international powers including the u.s., but strategically like russia, saudi arabia and iran to come to grips with the nature of the syrian civil war so that it is not just a syria civil war but it engulfs parts of iran as well. and over the last few years and significantly over the last few months this has led to the appalling scenes you have seen on tv screens and newspapers arounded the world. >> we have short-term issues, we have long-term issues. short-term, what are we going to do with the refugees right now? can europe alone handle them all? >> short-term, you're right in your report to say that the choke-point has been hungary. but the eye of the storm is greece. i've spoken this morning to our field director there on the key island where people are transitioning from turkey to get onto the european union.
and frankly you've got 25,000 people stuck on the island. they are arriving at 3,000 to 4,000 a day. and the immediate crisis is to provide water, sanitation and transportation off the island and three of the neighboring islands there. if you're asking should the united states be playing a role alongside the european union, my answer would be a strong yes. and there are two elements for that. first of all, one of the reasons people are fleeing the middle east is that the neighboring countries to syria, that means lebanon and close allies like jordan are creeking under the strain of millions of refugees. and america has historically been the home for refugees in the settlement, but over the four years of the war the u.s. has only taken 1,400 syrian refugees in total. >> is there a number you would like to see the united states pledge to take? some lawmakers here in the united states say the number should be as high as 65,000 by the end of next year. >> well, 65,000 has a clear
logic to it and the national rescue committee has resettled new americans for the last eight years since we were founded by albert einstein when he came in 1933. he have been clear that for the u.s. to maintain its leadership position in refugee settlement, it should take about 45% or 50% of the u.n. recommended number. and the u.n. said by the end of 2016, 130,000 syrians need to be resettled around the world. that's why the 65,000 figure is the one to continue to show the leadership that has decayed. over the moment, the leadership position is being overtaken by germany because they have clearly said 800,000 people are going to register for asylum or claim refugee status in germany this year. it's time for the u.s. to have the debate about how to continue its leadership role. >> speaking of leadership or lack thereof, the gulf states have not taken in a single refugee. saudi arabia, the uae and some of the other countries. by the way, they are the ones that have been the most encouraging in the united states to get involved on the side
against assad in syria. what do they owe the world? >> that's a great point. there are about 500,000 syrians in saudi arabia and 130,000 syrians in the united arab emirates. but you are right to say they are workers instead of ref you gees. that's certainly the case. this is vital that countries including the gulf play their role in this humanitarian tragedy. it is also important to recognize the gulf has a critical role when it comes to actually getting to the roots of this political impasse that has moved over four years. the conflict has got worse and worse. any solution is going to involve russia and the u.s., yes, but also the gulf states. >> david miliband, off big job ahead of you in what you're working on. god speed on that work, sir. >> thank you very much. it's very good to be on. a quick reminder, don't forget to set your dvr in case you can't watch us live because we are always here, just a click or two away on your remote, your
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person and this one county, but the supreme court spoke on a very controversial issue, and all over the country and other registrars and counties people have gone issuing marriage licenses, and that's the important thing to understand that that social movement created an acceptance and maybe this will have copy cat thing going on after this, but at this point in time it's accepted by the country. that's pretty extraordinary. >> i think acceptance of same-sex marriage is so outrunning the opposition that it's game over quite honestly. this was an exception down there. i was thinking earlier about whether she had been opposed, for example, to interracial marriage and that's the law of the land. she took the oath of office i presume. >> right. >> she swore to uphold the laws of the land and that meant that if she -- that she's entitled to her opinion and her faith and what she wants to do, then she ought not to be the county clerk. >> if i could very quickly say the attempts for her herself and some to equate her with the civil rights movement and dr. king and rosa parks is horrendous and i think really should be spoken up against.
>> hugh, i want to give you a chance a respond to donald trump because i think you're at least a second rate radio, not third rate, just not fair. >> i've interviewed everyone on this panel, tom about boomers and doris about the bully pulpit and you about the stranger and i look forward to talking to you about your new book. donald trump, using the analysis, the best interview in america, like bill lee throwing an eephus pitch, and if i was unfair i'll take criticism. >> you seemed a little defense. wrote an op-ed. >> i don't like gotcha questions and began powell said souleymane became the trump of iran and had to pull him back. i said can i quote you, and he said yes, you may. sul manny matters and journalists have to be open to criticism, and i am. there's an old irish saying, if
everyone says you're drunk you better sit down. thus far only a couple of people thought i was wobbly and most people thought i was fair. >> stay standing. >> fair enough. one final thought, today marks one year since i got the privilege of being the custodian of this chair, of this long-running program. all of us here at "meet the press" are very grateful that you let us into your homes each sunday morning. it's the greatest professional privilege of my life and i know you'll want to stay with us because this is going to be the most fascinating here -- every four years i say this, tom, you might agree and yet here we are again. this is crazier than ever. >> there are no rules, and they have all changed, by the way. >> and by the way, those rules are going to change again in a couple weeks. >> i've never seen anything like this. >> anyway, thank you all. that's all for today. we'll be back next week and every sunday because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."
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