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obviously i think the secretary's people are getting nervous about the enthusiasm and energy our campaign is bringing forth. >> okay. bernie sanders starting monday morning. welcome to welcome to "morning joe." it's 6:00, we have many people, mark halperin, hello. msnbc political analyst at the school of public policy, democratic policy harold george, juniorer j, willie joe and me. >> no, it's tuesday. i love that. after labor day. >> you say long good summer. it's over now. >> it's a little too long. >> i guess since labor day i never seen it where all the parents and all the kids are saying the same thing. i can't wait for school to start. >> my kids said the same thing. >> everybody is a guide. i hate this. let's go back to 62.
but everybody was. so it went on forever. >> pushing that rock up the hill. it just kept coming back down. >> my kids still go to camp for a week. >> i hope they need to start working but i'm not sure what the laws are? >> you move north, everybody sends tear kids off to prep school in 3rd grade, send their kids to eight months summer camp and stuff. that's what people do in the north. we don't do it in the south. i can tell you after this year, waking up, what are we doing today, dad, what are we doing today? i think that eighth month, you know. >> swiss military school. >> swiss military school is looking good. but they're excited to get back to school. bernie mania, the secretary's people getting concerned about
bernie mania? was bernie right? >> we were laughing before the show. there are twins stories art hillary clinton is turning the page. she's going to be showing more humor, heart and joy. >> so that's not calculated. >> the calculating dumping of documents like at midnight, friday, labor day weekend, now are telling us in a calculating way, i'm sorry, she is going to have more of? >> more heart, heart and joy. >> willie will do all three as well. >> it's funny. that's what they keep telling you, you need to have. >>. >> so it's the same idea. >> this is their response to the
cia. >> show not tell is usually better. in this case. >> after a tough summer, hillary clinton's top strategist as we mentioned are preparing a campaign resets of sorts. they promise a new view of her. this is not calculated at all there the new nixon, exciting. like the old nixon. >> this is sitting down for more television interviews. oh, maybe she'll come here. >> that would be fantastic. the invitation is out. we would love it and welcome her with great respect. >> actually we ask follow-up questions so mark us off the list. >> i think it would be a really good idea. >> i don't think she would do it. >> we do know she will be doing ellen degeneres and the "new york times" reports their team mishandled press access to tear response to the e-mail controversy, including the floating rope line incident. oh, yeah, remember that.
and flippant jokes about her e-mail like this one. >> by the way, you may have seen that i recently launched a snapchat account. i love i. i love it. >> we love you. >> those messages disappear all by themselves. >> what's the nixon equivalent of that of breaking into watergate what would that be? what would the punch line go? or the iran contra? >> then she had the follow up of wiping with like a cloth you mean and brian fallon says i don't know what it means to wife. it's just. >> oh, i know. >> i guess it would be more like a david petraeus were in front of a federal judge making jokes about classified material that he let out. >> so the "time's" also reports a second review confirms there were two e-mails marked top
secret. the highest classification of government intelligence on clinton's server, including an e-mail about north korea's nuclear weapons system. the clinton campaign and the stated department took issue with the finding last month saying the material was classified later on, but a special 13we8 jens review confirm it was sensitive when she got it. this comes after clinton revealed late friday she and her family paid a staff to set up and maintain the private server to quote report the unusual arrangement helped clinton retain personal control over the system. i guess it doesn't make sense with the part where she said -- >> yeah, mark halperin, that's one of the ridiculous things she told andrea mitchell, one of the many ridiculous things, friday before labor day, where she said, i wasn't focused on the
e-mail system while i was getting ready to take care of the big problems of the world f. you weren't then why didn't you take the state department e-mail that everybody else gets the day before you were sworn in, busily getting a home server set up? i mean all of her arguments just melt in the light of day. >> that one melts in the light of day. i mean, why did she do it? if it didn't matter to her at all. them going around talking, none of them were marked classified, irrelevant. none of them were marked classified. that's not true either. the second shy sends an e-mail out. it's an improper e-mail with information. they have gone back and back dated et. it's classified from the moment it was sent. >> post-labor day, go back to bakes, she's a formidable front runner for the democratic tom
nation. some of the coverage of this issue is unfair, but she's fought being forthcoming. certain key facts. they're not willing to show weakness and have you the inevitable reality. her poll knobs have gone down. people are alien fated by her behavior on this. they're not answering questions. we got the fbi investigation. we got monthly releases of more e-mail. they have not dealt with this. in showing more joy alone will fought solve it. >> here's what is so funny. we post-labor day, joey scar borough told me, hillary's odds with the bookie, you know, the money services that steve ratner says are always more accurate, have actually improved for her since the e-mail story went out not because she is doing better,
but because the republican party is in such a mess. so she's actually today smarter money to be elected president of the united states than she was before all of this began. >> there you go. what has been unfair about the coverage? there are questions that -- >> there are some things, for instance, on the question of whether she decides which e-mails are personal and which are not. >> that is the way the system works. she is right about that. that's a big thing people harp on the decision to destroy the personal e-mail. she had the right to do that. >> when she says it was allowed, i don't understand, where is the follow-up to that question? by who? who allowed it? >> to use a private e-mail account? >> yeah, she says it was allowed. >> it wasn't obviously illegal. >> by who? >> it was against rules, it wasn't obviously illegal. >> that's one of the questions they won't answer. >> the question, when hillary tells andrea mitchell the state department allowed it -- she was
the state department there they're avoiding the inevitable, which is we will know the answer to. who authorized it? >> nobody allowed it. the obama administration will tell you today they didn't want her to do that. >> i think there were lawyers and i.t. people involved, that's my sense to not react. >> i think finally the clinton campaign has come to terms with the fact this is not going away. there is a story. if you look at the poll numbers in new hampshire the nbc poll, she's flipped in new hampshire by 19 points just over two months and now trails there bernie sanders has been cut in half there. >> for people driving. >> here's the new hampshire democratic voters. bernie sanders is up by 9 points. in july, he was down ten points. that's almost a 20-point flip. how does she manage this, how does she get her manage out as mark said there is congressional testimony, benghazi, all these
things in front of her still. she has to grapple with it, all while developing a campaign. >> she has to develop a clear present plaenl as president. she has to be willing to come on this show, other shows and lay these out and answer some of the tough questions, honest questions that journalists and reporters and tv hosts may have and, three, she's got one fight on her hand in new hampshire and iowa. if she's willing, which i know she is to get out with the vigor in '08, she'll find herself if better position. to joe's point in terms of the republican kind of disarray on the republican primary, that certainly helps her. she can hope they continue to have disarray. she can't predicate the campaign on it. she's got to tackle this head on and take all comers, including "morning joe" and other shows that one asks these questions. >> if she comes on here, she won't be able to answer that question. the state department allows you that.
>> i disagree with you. i think she can answer these questions. she has to be willing to come on and clearly layout for the people why she should be president i saw her several times at a few fund raisers. she was better each time i saw her. if she is able do that, answer those questions yours, mica's and others, i think she will put this behind her and get back to the campaign she wants to run. >> who at the state department allows you to do this. go ahead, give you a heads up, secretary clinton, who at the state department allows you to do this? who went through your e-mails? you have been very murky about this who went through your e-mails and decided which ones would be destroyed and saved. it wasn't you, you never suggested it was you. you always speak some third party. who is that person that went through those e-mails and did you have somebody that had national security clearance to be able to tell? did you have somebody that was
also read into the freedom of information act law to make sure you weren't destroying the only records that the united states of america had of your work as secretary of state before you destroyed those in possibly valuable information to this country? i mean, those are just two simple ones. there are about 100 other questions. >> i think she will have answers to all those questions. >> how do you know? >> i wish she would have on friday. >> you all express a certain level of sternty on the other side of the issue. i think it's only fair to repip cipro indicate certainly on the other side. as i said on this show before, number one, i don't think she did anything wrong or potentially wrong. i don't think she violated any laws in the country. i don't believe in her heart she intended to do. if she comes on this show and is unable answer these questions or the side you guys are suggesting, i will be the first to say you are right. i don't believe you have any real evidence to make the
questions. i believe your sentiment she did the same on my side. >> harold, you are speaking in generalities. we have no whaefdzsoever and she's followed the path. how many chances has she had to answer these questions for how long and she won't answer them. >> that i agree with. i said to the outset of willie's questions, she should come on and do these things. you asked me what baives do i have? you have the same thing. >> you ask me what evidence i have. we could roll the entire united nations press conference few like. i'd be glad to do that, one misstatement she has made and this is objectively. objectively, she had made one misstatement after another. she has said things objectively about this server and about this process that are blatantly untrue. now, it doesn't take a former republican congressman to say that. you the cake ron fornier and
other people that follow this closely. if have you journalists that aren't so desperate to get access in hopes of that interview that they will actually speak the truth to power. like i did to mitt romney four years ago and i've done to future gingrich and i've done to other republicans time and time again, if you have the guts to speak truth to power to the clinton machine, then you have to come up with no other conclusion that they just have misled the american public time and time again, since that u.n. conference. they said things, mark halperin, that are objectively false since that u.n. press conference. >> first of all, i sense you have ellen degeneres will get to the bottom of this. >> you know, ellen, i like ellen a lot. she may do better than most. >> she actually is a good interviewer. i love watching her. >> i mean, there are things she has said that are technically true, but there are some things
that are just,est n it's not ac. >> don't suck it in. there are some things she said that are what? >> that are inaccurate. there is two piece the piece about hiding eplace or e-mails not being available for freedom of information act requests and for congress. that's a big piece that i don't think we should gloss over. then there is the national security piece. that's one that gets more attention and which i think have as to wait for the fbi investigation f. the fbi finds the server was, fact, breechld, if foreign powers got access to her e-mails, that's a big problem. >> i would agree. >> that's a big problem. she doesn't know the answer to that. >> let's go to joe biden, run this clip. he was in pittsburgh, run, joe, run. >> give eight go. he was there with the afl-cio president and joked about his upcoming 2016 decision. >> i'm going to run part of the race. i'm going to run part of the parade. this is a struggle to be able to
catch up. finally, this isn't just joe biden, pro labor, liberal democrat, et set remarks talking about this, this is the popular press, populous biden got up and they'll probably say competing with bernie sanders, doing a hell of a job, by the way, bernie sanders. >> all right so the polls clearly showing who is making gains in the race, as we mentioned, a new poll out of new hampshire shows vermont senator bernie sanders leading hillary clinton by 9 points. an nbc marja vongerichten irist. >> then you see the other news the mieg grant crisis in europe, extraordinary, germany breaking news saying they'd be able to take in 500,000 a year, only
saying we've only taken in what 1,800 about a thousand. this mieg grant crisis just exploding across europe and more reports they're coming into bulgaria. >> you had france opening its doors, great britain opening its doors. it has been going on, it came to a heads with that 13-year-old boy washed up on the beach. you had david cameron, prime minister of great britain saying as a fates, i was so moved about that, it changed policy t. world has woken up to something festering for a long time. >> did you see this, tragic news, mica. one of the kremlin aides shot before a parade. just is. >> i read his wife is expecting a child, terrible story. >> lots to get to. we will talk about the iran deal, two voices chiming in for
it as well, including colin powell. we'll get the that ahead. still on "morning joe," governor chris christie will be here on set and they join us live for a rare joint interview. first, here's bill kierans with a check on the forecast. bill. >> can you guys believe it will be 94 degrees in new york city. we can't win right now. the endless summer continues. the cold front that will finally break the heat in the east is over wisconsin and i, what bringing nasty thunderstorms to those areas. >> that will move to chicago later today. it will make it to the east coast by thursday. we can use the rain in the eastern half of this country. let's take you to the map. you see the greens, the oranges, the reds, it's like a bad bus stop, southern illinois and through the state of iowa. as far as the cold front goes, today will be the hottest day we will see for middle of
september. 94 degrees today in new york city. the record high in central park is 93. by the way, we have now had 61 days in a row, with a high of at least 80 degrees, that's the longest streak going to 1850 a. pretty impressive record. 94 in boston. as far as the cool weather goes, it's not that chilly. 73 tomorrow in chicago. that's the leading edge of the fall type air. ahead of that thunderstorms tomorrow, all the way from new orleans northwards to the ohio valley. thursday is when that rain will make it to big cities in the east. i don't think a lot of travel trouble as we head back to school. those air conditioners will be cranking from d.c. northwards all the way up into new england. new york city, we call it 94, hey, 95. yeah, we can do that, too. >> that will be a record. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. when your windshield needs fixed, trust safelite.
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killed at least 11 after dependant officials that took place sunday afternoon. an afghan spokesman said the strike was the result of proper coordination between the u.s. and afghan military. however, u.s. military officials are denying the report saying there had been no strikes on sunday. from the "wall street journal," amazon is set to offer a six-inch lablet for $50. the move comes as they struggled to sell pricier tablets. the hd is a part of a slate amazon is planning to release tablets with eight and ten-inch screens. >> the washington post and new iphones, apple is expected to unsail a redesigned apple top box at its annual event in san francisco tomorrow t. few siri
ready apple tv is set to have a new remote control, enhanced game capabilities and a universal search feature. who imthe much rumored iphone 6s has a 3d touch display will be able to have three kind of touch. >> you sound very excited. i think that was one of the worst reads you ever have. >> so many questions come to mind. how many functions on a tv and games and set top box how much do you need? >> just you wait. >> how much changes the channel and turns off, that's all i need in my house. >> you will be asking for four kind of touch. >> it is fascinating going in different houses, you look at the remotes, you just don't find one where there is a red button. >> a delay, it turns on. >> you go up and down, paddle, it's not. >> am i wrong?
>> no, for simplicity. >> i want a tv that's a tv and has a button on it. and you press the button. i have to get up out of my chair. i want to press the button and the tv to turn on. >> i'll take the old ze knit. >> i do not want a remote. i will take any stupid remote i ever see. don't have me at that incentive. i will throw them on the floor. >> it's a universal remote. those are the worst. >> a smart tv, all stupid. >> i walked into a store. i saw the remote. i said, we're not going to be watching tv all week seriously, it's a huge remote. those things never work. you always have to call the people. they go, oh, we have to reset it. batteries. >> cordless. i want a cord, attach it to the tv so it works. >> that zenith you want, crazy
eddies has a sale. >> his prices are insane. >> what is the topic of that? i feel that way about most tech following at this point including in the car when you want air-conditioning like this zone, make a blue dial that's cold and a plaster at you. simplicity, mica, simplicity. >> i'm sorry. seems silly. >> it's all a little bit too fussy. >> yes, it is, a terrible story. police are investigating who san antonio high school football players who they say targeted a referee. in the fourth quarter. the video shows the official knocked down from behind by a player. once he's on the ground, the second player dives in helmet first on the to ref. reactions from students and social media claim the hit came after racial slurs were used be i the official. no confirmation about that. the referee has not commented on what may have led to the
incident. the players involved have been suspended from both the team and the school pending the investigation. >> unbelievable. >> from the "new york times." annual annual pillow fight meant to build camaraderie among freshmen at west point turned violent. many of the participants packed tear pillow cases with hard objects thought by some to be helmets. according to school, 24 students sustained concussions, some had broken nose, dislocated shoulder and a hairline fracture to the cheek. >> oh my dposh. >> a military police investigation is ongoing. so far, no one has been punished. there are no plans to end the tradition. the superintendent says he takes full responsibility for all actions on campus. >> wow! >> gosh. >> they're all on the same team. this is our military. >> all right. let's go to pepsi cola. the cincinnati reds heading to the final regular season game
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>> what we're seeing from them is this constant war against unions. i've said it before. i'm say it again, if i were looking for a good job that lets me build some security for my family, i'd join a union. >> even brady's happy he's got a union. they had his back. >> that was president obama yesterday taking aim at republicans who says he, who says they've taken aim at america's unions, he was in boston yesterday.
>> a smart call. >> yes, it is, must right opinion pages in washington associate editor and msnbc political analyst and chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen. >> all right. >> i've bounced off what the president said, strump right on economics. paul krugman, he says bush has chose on the attack mr. trump as a false conservative, a proposition that is supposedly demonstrated by his deviations from current republican economic orthodoxy. his willingness to raise tax on the rich, his positive words about universal health care and that tells you a lot. they are precisely the issues on which mr. trump happens to be right. here's what's interesting, all indications are mr. bush's attacks on mr. trump are falling flat because the republican base
doesn't actually share the republican establishments economic delusions. the thing is, we didn't really know that until mr. trump came along. >> that's a -- >> kind of interesting. >> it would be like -- rrrr paul krugman is exactly right. >> kind of interest zblk he's exactly right. the republican establishment, the republican base have always been split, going all the way back to '94, harold, you know, when we got there in '94, there were a lot more populists there who weren't excited about hanging out with k street lobbyists and weren't excited about helping them pass their legislation through, but this is a great point that and, mark, you see the split out on the campaign trail, the republican base agrees with me. r, that billionaires shouldn't be paying 14% because of carried interest. well, secretaries paid 28%, but
the republican establishment fights back on that every day. and this is one of the reasons why trump is catching fire. by the way, we've all seen the polls, over 50% of tea partyers were the minimum wage to be raised. >> one of the under appreciated aspects of trumps success is on tax policy, on health care, his instinct of that split and where the energy is right now, it's pretty trump, not just populist, but anti-big institution, i think when people identify with him and say he's one of us, it's in part because he is not afraid to stand up to wealthy powerful -- >> willie, if you look at the twitter feed, if you look on the sunday shows, you see the split. you see the gop establishment, all attacking trump and you see trump and a lot of people on the pace supporting what he's say g
saying. >> when it comes to raising taxes on hedge funders. when it talks about even health care. >> think about what he's pulled off. donald trump who literally lives in a guilded penthouse in a skyscraper is the man of the people. mitt romney, who is exponentially less wealthy than donald trump painted as this meenie, donald trump is much wealthier. somehow, gene robinson convinced a portion of the voting public he is the man of the people in this race. >> it's because of what he's saying. i actually think krugman is right on this. i think trump is just clearly, objectively, closer to the base, to the republican base on economic issues than the republican establishment and why doesn't the republican establishment ever get this message? because the message has been out there for at least 20 years and they persist in representing only the plutocacy.
i dez it takes them to come in and tell them where they're wrong. >> trump says things the republican establishment doesn't like and the wall street editorial page doesn't like when it comes to taxes, but he also says things on the other side where he's considered a right wing extremist that the republican establishmentimmigra. he is finding the issues that matter to the base and establishment be damned and main stream media be dammed and he's checking. >> not only did he say mitt romney didn't run the campaign. he said i'm richer. so he's taking it on even more. two, he took on one of the most popular if not the most popular hosts on a conservative news channel who happened to be a woman and his numbers went up even more, which is an amazing thing. finally, i'd love your reaction. >> if you look at -- >> if you look at the tea party
and how this kind of dominated before donald trump got in the race and people were rushing to their forums. you have a wealthy man in a race. he's taken on those issues, he's fractured this coke-led tea party. >> coke load, coca-cola? the coke brothers? >> i'm talking -- there there was so much with charles coke, this is an important point that nobody wants to hear about. charles coke talks about all the time, income disparity and he talks about corporate welfare. more than anything else, that's his obsession, when you talk to charles coke, he is obsessed with the corporate welfare that is poured down the throats of massive multinational corporations. >> is this is not indictment of the cokes. trump and carson fought invited early on to many of these events. they have taken on not only the face of that movement and absorbed the energy of the tea
party movement. they have half the vote now. it's a fascinating thing. >> this is, mica, at least polls get more stunning by the day. donald trump at 29 and ben i still don't really know a single position that he's taken, carson, at 22%. >> that's 51% of the vote. >> 15-way tied for third. >> i don't want to be crude here, that, those top two lines are a giant middle finger to the republican establishment brought to you straight from the republican base! jeb bush at 6%, carley 5. rand at 5. walker 5. cruz 4. we don't even see moreco rubio who i keep reading every day is the odds-on favorite to win it all! >> bill crystal is obsessed. everybody is ob es issed with marco is going to win it all!
>> perfectly poised to win it all. >> perfectly poised. you see it. how long is the media going to keep pushing this like at least let him get to 4%. it's just unbelievable how the media tries to push this notion. >> you know what else jumps off that page besides marco rubio is who is not on that page, is scott walker. >> e. >> he has a chance to win at the end. >> scott walker they say is built for iowa. he's a mid-west guy. he specs to that audience. he's way down if we compare this to the poll two months ago, he has fallen through a trap door down to 5%. >> mike allen, i'm sorry, dpoed, gene. >> i was going to say, probably scott walker's fault. it's not just the anti-establishment. scott walker hasn't been a good candidate. had he been a better candidate, he could be maybe at 10%. he's not very good. >> mike allen, politico is reporting on speak were boehner's future. what's going on there?
>> mica, you were right in the tease when you and joe said i've heard this before as long as john boehner has been speaker, there has been things, until recently you and i would have talked about if there were a republican president mike boehner say, he bought a condo in florida, what does that mean? but this morning, jake sherman have talked to a bunch of people very close to the speaker. they say that it does look like now the boehner era is ending unlikely to run again, whether or not there is a republican president and mica, it's for a very simple and kind of sad reason and that is that the calculation at this moment is that he wouldn't survive a floor vote. there are too many conservatives unhappy with him. if you look ahead to the fall cliffs that congress faces, it's going to make it even harder for him. >> who is the conservative hero
that can win this fling? >> so kevin mccarthy now the house majority leader is the other on favorite to get i. kevin has been around your table. but he's not for sure. he, too, is going to have to worry about jeb of texas or name your other conservative that the far, far right might rally around. >> yeah. wow. >> mike allen, thank you very much. >> few jean stay with us. governor chris christie joins us next hour. up next, his district stadles 800 miles of the mexican border. we will talk to immigration and homelands security. we will talk about immigration and homeland security with republican congressman and former under cover cia officer will hefrd of texas. keep it right here on morning ejoe. so you're a small business expert from at&t? yeah, give me a problem and i've got the solution. well, we have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere.
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is this a good deal? >> i think it is a good deal. i studied very carefully the outline of the deal and what's in that deal and i've also carefully looked at the opposition to the deal and my judgment after balancing those two sets of information is that it's a pretty good deal. we have stopped this highway waste that they were going down, i think that's very, very important. now, will they comply with it? will they actually do all of this? well, they get nothing until they show compliance and that's an important part of the arrangement. >> okay. 46 past the hour. former secretary of state colin powell explaining his support with the nuclear deal with iran on "meet the press." congress returns to work this morning t. iran deal will be among the first things on the agenda, joining us republican congressman will herd of texas. have you your hands full. should we start with the deal? >> i want to start with the log.
have you over 800 miles. >> 800 miles of bordering mexico. >> right. >> tell me when you hear donald trump and other people talking building a giant wall. >> you can't build a wall from sea to shining sea. it doesn't work. it's the most expensive way to do border security and the least effective. there is parts of the wall where the narco traffic kantees, the traffickers have built ramps and they've driven a one ton truck over. what we need to do is make sure. >> they couldn't do that at the trump's wall, it would be beautiful. >> what we need to do is allow the men and women in border patrol to adjust tactics, techniques and procedures as they see fit. you can't have a one size fits all solution in san diego. i won't work in tucson. you need something different. >> why is it that the republican candidates, remember john mccain, be i would the dang wall. what do they all resort to that? >> you need a wall in some places, in heavily populated
places a wall makes sense. a wall is one more tool in your tool kit in order to solve a problem. we need to do stuff like louising more intelligence led activity against the bad guys. >> like what drums in. >> no, we should be working closer with our mexican partners on the other side. corruption is always an issue when you look at law enforcement. >> do we have mexican partners on the other side? >> we do. there are a number of organizations, we need to counter drug cartels, human traffickers a national priority. which it's not. >> that means you bring a lot of new tools to the table that we're currently fought using. >> you have 11 million illegal immigrants by some counts, maybe more than that, this is probably more acute where you live given the position on the border. what itself the answer? how do you stop it? we've heard a lot of scatter shot ideas in this republican campaign. >> all that is a symptom of a much larger problem. secure the border. we can do a better job of skoub
securing the border. enforce our laws. what happened in san francisco was unacceptable and then make, we got to fix our broken vis' system. i'm the only member of congress that's stamped visas. i was an under cover officer for nine years in the cia. one of my cover jobs was stamping visas by day and did my real job of collecting intelligence at night. i can talk until you all are blue in the face about our bren visa system. we fix that and create incentives to come here legally and punishments of coming here illegally, you do those the things, you will solve 89, 92% of the problem. folks where i represent, this is a swing district. there is a seat that's gone back and forth for a number of here's. a lot of people ask me how did the black dude get elected in the hispanic district. >> it's because i'm running on these issues. >> it doesn't sound this ridiculous on this issue?
>> i think we have ache or nine good candidates on the republican side. to be honest, i'm more focused on my re-election than worrying about how these 17 folks are going to fight each other over the next seven to nine months. i think once the field gets narrowed, folks will have more sense when it comes to the policies. >> what do you want to do with the 11 million here illegally? >> i think if you fix those three issues, if you do something, we got to start with border security, enforcement. when you get to there. >> ewent eventually what would you do, what would you have done? >> it depend also. some of the folks, if you want to serve in the military, i'm against amnesty, having folks be here illegally, legal status adjust status so they can work and be in the kuptd legally. i think you can find different categories of people that's acceptable to most folks. >> mass deportation though of 11 million is impossible. it's never going to happen.
>> it's definitely a logistical challenge. >> is it a good idea if you can do it? >> if people are violating our laws, are repeat offenders, we should be getting those bad apples out of the country. absolutely. >> what do you think of sanctuary city, good idea, bad idea? >> you are not enforcing the laws, we have laws on the book. enforce the law. there has to be consequences to people's negative behavior. if you don't have consequences, you are going to continue to see the bad behavior continue. >> all right. congressman will herd. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you, congressman. >> at the 7:00 hour, new york city mayor bill de blasio stops by the studio with hislife wife and from right across the river, new jersey governor and presidential contender chris christie will be on set. "morning joe" will be right back. .
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this hour. let's get right to it. hillary clinton top strategists are preparing a campaign reset. they promise a new view of her. one showcaseing more humor and heart. this includes sitting down for more television interview, including one with ellen degeneres this week. the "new york times" reports the team mishandled press access and their response to the e-mail controversy, including the flippant jokes about her e-mail, like this one. >> by the way, you may have seen that i recently launched a snapchat account. i love it. i love it. those messages disappear all by themselves. >> yeah, that was a mistake. everybody knew it was except for the people on the bubble.
i'm glad they figured it out. clinton aides, this is actually, this is a page one story in the "new york times" clinton aides set more campaign, more personal, more humor, more heart. it's the new nixon. what is that? >> good luck. this is not hubert humphrey in drag this is not somebody you will humanize, she's not. she is what she is. she's not her husband. i don't think that any of this it's all cosmetics. to the extent that people buy into it. i don't buy that. on the e-mail thing, look, they've had an opportunity after opportunity to ends this thing. they keep it going. they joke about it. it's not funny.
so it's, i think it's a tough job. certainly one i would rely on. >> harold, you say they are going to step forward and ends this controversy. >> i think it will be much more accessible moving forward. >> i think she will have to be. in order to show more joy as the article suggests, you have to show that. i think she started with andrea's interview, she was right and forthcoming. she will have to do more and hopefully she comes to this show and more shows and answer ones, the pointed and fair once you have. >> so the times reports a second review confirms two e-mails top secret on clinton's server, including an e-mail about north korea's nuclear weapon system. they took issue saying it was classified later on a. special gel jens review confirms it was
sensitive when she got it. this comes after clinton revealed over the holiday weekend she and her family paid a staffer to maintain the private serve tore quote report the unusual arrangement over the system and here's, she told andrea a lot of different stuff. >> she dropped that information after her interview with andrea. i think it came across at like 11:00 on a friday night of labor day weekend. >> yes, she talked to andrea on friday i think and you highlighted some of the contradictions and statements hillary clinton made several months back what jumped out for you after that interview? >> i think a lot people said she
did not apologize. she repeated that on monday. she is not going to apologize. she says i read all her state department influence against using personal e-mails and certainly exclusively like she did. i pointed out to her it was unprecedented and collin powell had personal and state.gov. we also talked during the interview about the guidance that the white house has proffered in '09. she's correct. all of the guidelines go back to the beginning of e-mail use at the state department if you did, it should be archived, in fact, there was an inspector general report after that march news conference at the u.n., two days
after we reported that the state department did not probably properly archive something like 61,000 e-mails out of several billion during the first couple years where she was secretary so that the recipients of those e-mails were not keeping them as she had planned all along. >> one of the areas she said it was allowed. >> that's the point i'm making that it was recommended against she and in fact had sent out as one would as secretary, she send out a guidance not to use personal e-mails for anything involving government work. so the distinction here is that people are permitted to have personal e-mails. but they're supposed to use it for their private affairs and use state.gov so it will be archived if the system were
working, which it wasn't but use the official e-mail system for official work. >> so was it allowed? >> she didn't allow it to other people. andrea is saying she didn't allow it for everybody else in the state department. so how could it be allowed for the person that runs this state department? >> well the point is, as i said to her also the word allowed is a particular word that people criticize her for being too lawyerly, it was not illegal. but there were plenty of united nationss, yeens i should say against it. it did not become. when she first took office, there was no regulation against it. there were advisories in the foreign affairs manual for all state department employees not to do it. >> andrea, how is a campaign against these two events, one on capitol hill and the ongoing fbi security investigation. >> the fbi investigation is completely outside of tear control. it's like the joe biden decision
these are things the campaign cannot plan for or strategy for. even though she's not a carting. they don't know an investigation, you don't know where it's going to go. this goes back to the sort of nightmares of their white house years where hillary clinton strongly argued against a special prosecutor. it was done over her objections and i think a lot of people around her would say i told you so, it was a land deal and what he ended up with impeachment on is something far from a lands deal in arkansas. so their argument all along during the '90s was you never know where this is going to go, she's not a target. it's not a criminal investigation. you don't know where that's going to go. as to the october 22nd testimony, they say she is looking forward it to. contrary to the testimonies of a lot of other players, this will be in public. she is pretty confident about
her ability to go up against a committee like this, especially she will have democratic allies on the committee who can help her during some of the questions, presumably. >> if you think about dehumanizing hillary clinton, it seems to be the first thing you can do is to apologize, why she won't apologize is beyond me. she has never been able to apologize very well. if she would simply say i blew it. i'm sorry, i shouldn't have done it that way. i think that's as humanized as you can get. you can put them on all the shows and tell all the jokes she wantsb, simply coming out and saying, i blew this one, sorry, it's probably the best way humanizers can get. >> exactly right. >> a few poll shows hillary clinton leading by nine points. she is ahead of clinton vice
president joe biden is in 3rd. in iowa, clinton is in 3rd place, sanders is gaining ground biden again comes in 3rd. this time with 20%. >> you see bernie sanders catchening up in iowa this is the question we ask of marco rubio, super candidate you have to win a stake n. hillary clinton's situation, she's still a prohibitive favorite. iowa seems like a state made for bernie sanders. as those numbers tighten. too, sun suddenly, you look at iowa and new hampshire. it's not as much of a proceedout as we're assuming it will be. >> iowa and new hampshire are not good states for her. she won new hampshire and
iowa, came in 3rd in iowa in 2008. so this is not perhaps the friendliest territory. right after that, you have south carolina, where theoretically there is a fire wall of african-american voters who as far as we can tell as far as pollsters can tell still lo ill to hillary clinton. you know, i am not sure about we are going to show more humor and heart campaign i think when you have to spell that out. that's kind of in trouble. i think she should be who she s. i have argued all along the same thing is to say you are sorry. i blew it. it was with the original decision on the server that got her in trouble. >> that is brigg down her numbers in those two states and it will continue to hang around the neck i think of the campaign for a while. >> i think what's fascinating
you have several hillarys. like, hillary does not want to be who she is if it's political hillary. >> it's personal hillary, who has never been able to translate unless her life was on the line in 28. you want that hillary that all her friends know, people know, you want that hillary. she turns on a switch when she steps on the political field. suddenly, it's as if she is a lawyer for richard nixon in 1973. i mean, everything is, you know squeeze every information, deny, deny, deny, never say you are sorry. don't show a human side. show no weakness. that's, i don't know, who knows, maybe that worked for taft. >> that doesn't work in 2015. >> i don't think she's sorry for the foya problems or congressional oversight problems, if it turns out the server was tapped into by foreign entities, she won't be
able to watch. i know a lot of folks have been talking to over the past few weeks aren't so immersed into politics, lake other people, what is her, why didn't she answer the question about, why did she do that? they do understand the e-mail. they understand it more than she does. >> they have to stop saying real people don't care about it. clearly, they do. >> mica, nobody has lost both iowa and new hampshire and gone on to get the nomination. >> mica had it well. do you recall two or three weeks ago, she was asked about a young person in the audience. she gave such a wonderful answer that really mu manized it. >> it was about love. >> she's got to figure out how she gets back to talking about those things, football one, two, the campaign's good to look bag three, four years ago, she was polling ahead of president obama in terms of president obama. there was something people like. she has to figure out where she
is captured. part of this is answering this and doing what they are suggesting, which is to say i was wrong and let's move on. >> i'll take it now. answering this now, i think her team should have had her answer this long ago in full force. andrea mitchell, dripping new information out, the midnight after. you know this game. you saw the game. they're trying to sort of answer and more information coming out of a labor day weekend. what is that? we all know this. are we all going to pretend that didn't happen, andrea? >>. one of the issues is, we were told we had a 15 minute interview. i had more than 12 minutes on e-mail before i felt out of concern that they would, you know, cut it off, obviously, that i had to move on. so i couldn't ask everything i did want to ask. i think we did get a good chance to ask a lot of questions and discover she did not have an answer for why she did the
personal server place. we can infer a lot of things from the way she was introduced to national politics from the trouble her husband was incurring in 1992. there are a lot of reasons why perhaps she did this, but she's never answered it, herself. we don't have the official word. >> given the constraints, you did an amazing job. >> you got to get rid of the strength. what is ironic. hillary comes on here in 28 she would do her show first. she was relaxed. always very, very personal. she has that side. she can do it on tv. i remember running against her and loatheing her and loatheing her husband. i couldn'tstant foaming at the mouth. i went to the first white house
event. people said what do you think of bill? ahaha, what do you think of hillary? she's nice. i like her. i thought i was going to get kicked out of office. she's a very likable person. it never translates when she's in first place. maybe it will soon. let's look at a hypothetical matchup against republicans. the vice president fairs better than hillary clinton in new hampshire. clinton ahead of donald trump by just one point in new hampshire. that's a stunner. she's ahead of jeb bush by five points. look at this, wait a second. actually donald trump makes more sense in the general election in new hampshire right now. meanwhile, joe biden or i'm sorry meanwhile. >> bush was ahead of hillary in the last poll n. this poll you are trying to show biden. >> he leads by point. trails bush and in iowa clinton
trails jump u trump and bush loses to trump by 5 and bush by 11. i just can't read anymore of this. >> it's an incredible number. >> i'm having trouble getting through these numbers just two months ago, he had a 3% approval rating. now you have him beating hillary clinton and joe biden doing much better against trump. >> i have not seen a front runner like clinton with as high as she has. that's translateing itself in these various states and about trump and this base you keep talking about this base that trump has and carson has is a zantd group of people. they tapped into something, no question about it. the question is are those people going to turn up at the polls. beyond that if not those two,
who are they going to go to? >> i would vote in early purple states. they have been reliable blue states. why do you think it is they are beating hillary clinton in iowa? >> i don't know i don't know about this year. this year is crazy. >> i had trouble getting through that wait a second. >> jeb bush in the republican nomination fight is doing horribly. he is trouncing hillary clinton in iowa, a state where support among republicans is negligible. i was down south, one said, i wasn't call him a tea partyer. you know, trump is not the dpi right now. trump is my guy right now.
i'm going the ends up with jeb bush. i think you can explain some of that as you look at the numbers, the question why republicans do what they do. look at what they did against hillary, i think voters in iowa and new hampshire respond and react to those things. there is no doubt trump has touched that cord and is evoking a reaction from every day average builders around tear own economic polilight. all they do is talk about china, japan. >> the political world is upsidedown. >> it is. >> it has been for some time. if anybody says they can predict what will happen next week doesn't know what they are talking about. everybody has been wrong about everything, willie, there is no pediatricing the way it will go. >> think of how quickly everything has gone. yesterday was labor day, on
memorial day, donald trump, it was still an idea to get his ratings up. now he is winning every major state. >> the first day of school, he's still there. >> bob beck him, yeugene and andrea, thank you for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," new york city mayor bill deblasio and the first lady shirley mccray standing by. we will talk about the city's homeless snob, also, expanding pre-k to all new york city children. that itself the big story this morning. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping. medical supplies i'm kind of happy with my guys.
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excited about the possibility of the subway series. is it going to happen? that's my question. will you guarantee a subway series? >> it could happen. >> they have the pitching to win in the playoffs. >> i don't lie about it. i love the mets, too. >> you have a lot otalk about. >> i think he started off earlier. we will give the mayor and his wife a chance to speak first. >> my car, i told you this before we're going to talk pre-k first talk about first of all the promise of universal pre-k, secondly, how do you pay for it? >> we said we need every child in new york city, that's the foundation for all learning. >> starting at 4? >> starting at 4. so tomorrow over 65,000 kids in
this city will have full day pre-k for free in new york city. >> wow. >> that will be from this point on. it will be permanent. it will clang the reality of 65,000 kids and next year, next year, next year. now, what we're finding is this is how you get a child on the right path. we saw it with our own children and what we know will happen now is our whole school system will be uplifted. there has never been anything done on this scale or around the country. queen i came in officer, 20s,000 were in school pre-k. >> 65,000 universal in new york, are you hoping to have more children next year? >> 65,000 minimum. there could be more. we have a seat for every child
in every neighborhood. >> why is there so important? >> it's so important, it sets the child up for success. it allows a woman or a parent who is at home with the child to go to work. you know, that's priceless, right. we feed two incomes in families today and so that parent can actually go out and get a job, but also i want to talk about dante for a moment, because dante had a speech delay and if he had not been assessed, evaluated. once he got into early childhood program, it's quite possible he would have had so many problems. >> a different path. >> that's right. children who cannot speak, can not articulate their feelings, tend to be angry, disruptive. now, look at dante. he's a state debate:. all right. literally. >> a speech problem. >> so think of all these children who are actually now in school or will be in school and
have the opportunity to get classes. >> how about parents who work. there is a whom other part of that equation. >> thousands of dollars. >> bring the way to pay for it. 10,000 or $15,000 a year if a family had to pay privately. it's something all families in new york city, every neighborhood will get it. >> that is sort of like the talk of moving to new york city, how do you get them into pre-k. i guess the question i have next, you see berkeley institute and development has done research on this how are you able to deliver on this promise? their research shows delivery may not be as much as touted? i can show you the numbers. >> i agree with that state, the bottom line is. >> what are the struggles? >> to provide this quality of pre-k to every child takes right work, choosing the right teachers, training them constantly, we're using a common core curriculum at the pre-k level. i believe in common core, i think it's are we providing the
teacher training and support to live up to the curriculum? at the age of 4, kids can learn in a way they can't learn later. they are particularly receptive to learning. we have highly trained teachers. we will keep evaluating and improving it. i guarantee this, the difference between a child with full day pre-k and one who hasn't, that child in the first instance has such a leg up and a love of learning they go into the rest of their education with. >> so start today and the goals by this time next year? >> tomorrow. >> we started when i came to office 20,000 kids in full day pre-k. by tomorrow, we will have 65,000 kids. >> that number can even grow. it will be a huge change for this city. i hope it spurs a national debate for every child in this
country. >> i applaud you. we have dear friends whose lives have been changed. they have gone on to do good things. i applaud you for. that let's turn to another topic front and center this summer at least in new york city, which is the problem of homelessness. there has been a back and forth on the numbers about who's to blame, whether it was previous policy from the bloom berke administration or your own policy, now you introduced this initiative. have you had a change of heart on how big a problem that is because of some of the pressure you got inside insuring city? >> i haven't had a change of heart. we are spending a billion dollars over the next four years in additional resources to address it. we have moved 15,000 people out of shelter into housing had we not done that, that problem would have been a lot worse. i think this is what we have to say. this is a historic problem, decades old. it has gotten worse as the economy has squeezed people more and the price of housing in this city has gotten sky high.
what i think i have to do better is explain the origins and show people what we are doing about it. if 15,000 are in housing now who wouldn't have been but for our programs. you can imagine the strain. >> the economy is doing better today than it was when you got into office. obviously, we had a big recession in 2008. now unemployment nationally is at 5.1%. so the economy is not worse. it's better. >> the economy is definitely better. in this city 177,000. more jobs since i came into office. i'm very proud of that fact. i didn't created those jobs. i am proud and we've helped. the fact is the late recession led to something we hadn't seen before in the midst of the quote/unquote recovery more people were in poverty. in previous recoveries, people came out. sadly this recession people deepened. the housing we never seen it
before in new york city. >> that twin relate reality. folks that fell out of the economy, low wages are best. plus increased housing prices create a new dynamic. >> so you can't overemphasize that. the costs of housing. you would spend 25% of your income. people are spending more than half of their income on house costs >> you drive down manhattan up and down manhattan, so many of the apartments are black, there is no lights coming out of them, because people come from overseas, they buy apartments here. they jack up the costs of the entire real estate market. it's an ongoing problem. let's show you a poll really quickly and take a turn and ask what we can do. quinnipiac university poll. a number of homeless since three years ago. 53% say more.
15% say less, 26% say the same. you sound like you agree, there are more, for variety of reasons, you've goten rid of the person in charge of the homeless response. >> she chose to move on t. point is that number would have been a lot higher. >> that is the plan. get people to help their need to get the permanent housing. get them out of shelter. in fact, another 20,000 folks we helped stay in their current apartments. let's recognize this would have been a much bigger problem. >> actually, it's the humane thing to get people off the streets so they're not sleeping. >> absolutely. >> by the way, putting people in shelter costs their lives a lots. more and more people in shelters have a job, can't make ends meet. it's happening all over. more and more of the folks who
are homeless are economic homeless, not just because they have a health problem. >> families. 11,000 families, more than 23,000 children. >> that is someone crying, too. i saw over the weekend. they released a stat saying this is the safest summer, of course, crime is up for the year. >> no, wait, joe, man the facts that you are. crime is down almost five percent compared to last year. last year we had the lowest number of murders in 50 years. >> so i read over the weekend crime was down this summer. it said the homicide rate for the year is actually up a little bit. are you disputing that? >> no, let's be clear. we have had the safest summer in over 20 years. we had last year the lowest number emerge in 50 years. we've had precisely ten more
murders than last year only 10. >> my question had to do with perception i'm not saying hell has come to new york city. it's about the perception of quality of life going down. how do you fight these perception, how do you fight that perception? we fight it with the policies that work. as i said, 177,000 more jobs, crime is down. safest summer in 20 years, test scores are up. we are building affordable housing at a clip never seen before, 20,000 units financed, enough for 50,000 people we have to make it very clear to people this is all improving the quality of life in this city. it's creating possibilities for every kind of new yorker, including folks that have not
had an opportunity. i think the facts count for a lot. i think if you talk to every day new yorkers about their quality of life. people know i.t. was the safest summer. they're experiencing it. they're not feeling the crimes like they used to i have tremendous respect. they continue to drive down crime. 1,300 more cops to then them do that. this nypd is doing extraordinary things. i think it will get even safer. >> you keep a blog on what the administration is trying to stay active actively involved mental illness, you are stopping people ignoring that facet of it. >> tell us what you are doing. >> this is something that causes many people to become homeless. it is fought true most of the
population suffers from mental illness. it's a small percentage of that group. it's suspect we have to address. mental illness is something we can treat t. challenge is getting people to treatment and making sure they continue with their treatment. we are addressing this. we will make sure that we're monitoring people, so people don't fall through the cracks. which has traditionally been a problem. >> i think my wife is modest. she is leading mental health and literally track those who have a mental health problem and a history of violence so the city makes sure they're in treatment or incarcerated. get what they need or get to the place that makes them and all of us say, that's one of the initiatives she is leading that is going to make a big difference for the city. >> mayor de blasio, you were hillary clinton's campaign manager within she ran for senate. you have not supported her,
publicly, have you not endorsed her. what are you waiting for when it comes to hillary clinton? >> i am very impressed what she says more and more. i said at the beginning i felt a lot of people around this country, a lot of progressives thought we need a sense of direction particularly to address the income and equality question. i think she has done a great job providing that provision. there are some areas i'd like to know more about. i have been in conversation with her team. i think they are doing more and more to give people compelling vision. >> do you think she needs to show personal tone, humor and heart? >> i was her campaign manager, i'd say someone as capable as her, i think she is an extraordinary leader, arguably the most qualified person to run for the office, i think that's the vision. >> bill de blasio, thank you, mr. mayor, thank you so much for coming on board this morning. so nice. >> just a nice guy. maybe i care too much.
>> oh lord. >> congratulations, seriously, on the pre-k. thank you. congratulations. >> and the safest summer. >> and thank you for moving on the homeless acquisition. >> thank you both for coming on this morning. up next. >> come pack. the governor from across the river, chris christie joins the table when "morning joe" continues. ♪ mother nature can turn in an instant; don't turn back. introducing the new 2016 ford explorer.
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. >> what zsh say? >> i think we have to ask a question. we push the button. >> no. >> yes. >> ready to roll, baby. >> stop. >> yes. >> good morning, mica. >> let's bring in republican presidential candidate and governor of new jersey, chris christie. you have a few things on your minds? >> no. >> i'm just stunned as are most people in this area that this has been the safest simmer in. no one else believes that, except for the two people just on your set. i dparn tee this this gay doesn't believe it. he doesn't believe it's the safest summer in new york. nor do the other people. it's the liberal policies in this city that have led to the laws willness encouraged be i the presidents of the united states. i'm telling you, people in this country are getting more and more fed up. you hear more and more about this. whether it's new york or chicago or san francisco. but it's affecting everywhere.
>> you don't think this problem has gotten bigger, especially the problem of the homelessness because of the economy we've endured over the past five or ten years? you think this popped up right now out of nowhere? >> i will tell you, we didn't see the outward manifestation of this problem like we see it now and the dim in addition and these liberal policies, he ran on it. he is doing exactly what le said he is going to do. now he is going to diminish the quality of life he has and it's less safe. >> stop it i did not. >> less safe in the city. to give mayor de blasio credit. she not the only one. sanctuary cities across the country. if you are mayor, you don't want to enforce the immigration law t. president doesn't like those laws. you want to get high in colorado and walk, even though marijuana is against the law in this country. go ahead. it's coming from thep to. it's coming from thep to. so pair de blasio is following the lead of his president and
the woman who he won't endorse now but he used to work for and used to be the secretary of state who is taking the exact same positions. >> if you were mayor, i adprae with the criticisms of this mayor, what would you do to some these things? >> stop and frisk would be back if about five minutes and we would empower the police not to undercut them. if a police steps over the line, that i deserve to be prosecuted this mayor presumes guilt before anything happens. >> do you think everything was going right with stop and frisk? >> listen, mica, here's what leadership is all ability. leader havep is about if there is problems with a particular policy, fix them. don't throw the baby out with the bath what's. what you have seen in this city and everybody out there in new york and watching this or new jersey knows it who comes to new york city, it is not a safer place. this mayor is sitting heard and deluding the american people
this is the safest summer. >> i have to step up and defend mica's boyfriend here. >> stop it. >> statistics show according to new york statistics and the mayor it has been the safest summer in some time. >> it's not true. if you are a murder victim in this city and the mayor admitted there is more murders this year than last year. so i don't know how that's the safest summer. i don't think they shot it was the safest summer. so you can cut the statistics 18 different ways. we will give you a comparison, okay. in camden, new jersey, where we fired the entire police force because of a ploeted police force, three years ago, we did it. three years later the murder rate in camden is down 61%. when the mayor can give those statistics, they can come and talk to us. >> the mayor talked about economic problems, you think there is some credence or credibility around that and some of the answers? what would you do different? >> listen the mayor is right.
because he and this president have ushered in the weakest recovery from a recession since world war ii. so, yeah, he's right the economy is not what it should be, jobs are not created at the rates they should b. we have a government that overtacks, overregulates and thinks that all decisions need to be made in washington, d.c., hampltd you got the president yesterday on labor day standing up for all his public sector union friends, where he wasted all the money on the stimulus package, he's criticizing me and scott walker yesterday. i'll tell you this, i have no regrets for taking on the public sector unions. you know, you saw the story, joe, a teacher in new jersey who was at, who was late over 100 times in two years t. teacher's union stands up and protects that person. the president is outraged that i said something. i'm outraged about the kids in our cities who haven't gotten the better education for seven years under barack obama. he is and hillary clinton are in
bed. they care more about protecting those unions than working on the potential of the best kids in our schools. >> i can i say i appreciate the fact that i was late to work late to work 100 times last year and you covered for me. >> you didn't seven need a union for that. >> are you going to run for the mayor of new york city if the platform doesn't work out? >> i think i have to live here. listen, other people have gotten elected in new york who didn't actually live here, as we know. >> look at him. >> bill buckley. >> and hillary rodham clinton. >> ask you about immigration. big issue on the campaign trail. you talked about the fedex like plan. i know what you meant. can you explain a little more how that would work? >> we don't need to put labels on people, okay. >> thank god. >> we don't have to put a bar code on you. i had someone on another network who asked me if i was going to
put a chip on people. here are your chips. we have ten of them. we should use biometrics for people who are admitted to the united states. give a thumb print. it should go on a separate database, and folks should have to when they access services here give their thumbprint. if you overstayed your visa. it's not an immigrant. they're not immigrants. they're coming here to visa. hence, a visa. when you visit, you're supposed to leave eventually. that's what you're eventually supposed to do. >> i have had guests who don't. >> that's right. what do you do? you kick them out? stay for a period of time. we love having you. come and visit, and then go home. the fact we have liberals in this countries and others who say this is so awful. it's awful? what's awful is 40% of the 11 million people who are here illegally are on overstayed
visas. if you can track a package, there's no reason we can't use similar type technology. thumbprint. everybody has their own. >> let's get mark halpern. we have the low-energy governor from new jersey. >> where is mark halpern. he's got like new york behind him. where is he? >> in new york. >> why isn't he here? >> you should come in, mark. >> i'll come later. what was the last piece of excellent advice you got about how to increase your chances of being the republican nominee and who gave it to you? >> i got lots of excellent advice. moe of it is just to go out there and work hard and be myself. and that's what you have to do. you know, the campaign really starts this week now. the summer entertainment season is now other, and now we're going to get down to really people focusing and getting to work. we have been laying great groundwork in new hampshire and iowa. >> show the crazy poll, if you will, alex. the iowa poll. the most recent iowa poll. i will be the first to admit,
chris, i usually see things coming. i don't understand this. donald trump at 29%. ben carson at 22%. >> what is that? 29%, 22%. >> and everybody else bunched within two or three points of each other. >> what it that about two guys that haven't been in office before, don't have specific plans, position papers, don't have a record to run on, at least a government record to run on. what statement is over 50% of the republican party sending to you and everybody else at 6% and below? >> the statement they're making? that they're incredibly angry at washington, d.c. they're everybody at everybody. by the way, that's why, joe, i'm for term limits. i have been for term limits my entire year. it's time to get these guys out of washington. it really is. and by the way, our republican folks, too, who promised us if they got a majority in the senate and house they would do things. yet why isn't tax reform on the president's desk. why isn't a repeal and
replacement of obamacare on the president's desk. get rid of the filibuster rule and let's get this done. the president did that on nominations. when the democrats were in control of the senate, they pushed through obamacare on reconciliation. let's get some things done. the fact we don't get it done, that's what the numbers mean to me. they're incredibly angry with washington, d.c. they're fed up with government. >> you can tell your supporters you are now in this poll within the margin of error of jeb bush, tez cruz, scott walker, marco rubio. >> we told them. >> except for trump who looks like he's having fun. and healthier. >> i'm having fun every day and healthier and having fun. and feeling less safe in new york city, as are most of the people who live here. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> let's get back to paul olici who make sense. >> stop with the de blasio stuff. >> she's not delusional. i know this about her. what did you think when you were
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it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. back with us on set, mark halpern and harold ford jr. >> happy post-labor day. >> it's tuesday. i love that. after labor day. >> you say long good summer, but it's over now. >> long. >> it was long. a little too long. >> this was the first time because of labor day, i have never seen it where all the parents and all the kids are saying the same thing. can't wait for school to start. >> my kids said the same thing.
>> this summer lasted forever. i have never had a summer where everybody was like, god, i hate this. let's go back to school. but everybody was. this was like, it went on forever. >> forever. >> pushing that rock up the hill and it just kept coming right back down. >> my kids don't go back to school for another week. so they have been out of camp for almost -- >> what? >> a month. have they taken jobs. >> they need to start working. he's 6, but i don't know what the laws look like. >> i'm not a big camp thing. you move north, everybody like sends their kids off to prep school like in third grade. send their kids to like eight-month summer camps. we don't do it in the south, but i will tell you after this year, what are we doing today, dad? i said, you know what, i think that eight-month, like, you know -- >> swiss military school. >> swiss military school is looking pretty good. but they're excited to get back
to school. so, is bernie mania, mark halpern, the secretary's people getting concerned about bernie mania? >> well -- >> is bernie right. >> we were laughing before the show. there's twin stories, one in the "new york times," one in the "washington post," hillary clinton is turning the page. >> her new persona. >> more humor, heart, and joy. >> the same -- >> that's not calculated. >> the same aides that calculated the dumping of documents like at midnight friday night labor day weekend. >> yes. >> now are telling us a calculating way she's going to have -- i'm sorry, more of -- >> humor, heart, and joy. >> humor, heart, and joy. >> willie is going to do all three as well. >> funny. that's what phil griffin keeps telling you uneed to have. >> i say no to that. and there's another story, what, in another paper? >> "washington post," same one. i don't think we have it.
>> the same idea. >> she'll be happy, joyful, and bouncing with cheer. >> they're telegraphing this. >> this is their response to the cia saying -- >> oh, wow. >> show, not tell, is usually better. but in this case, they're going with tell. >> let's deliver the news, mika. >> after a tough summer, hillary clinton's top strategist, as we just mentioned, are preparing a campaign reset of sorts. they promise a new view of her. this is not calculated at all. >> it's exciting. >> one showcasing humor and heart, as we mentioned. this includes sitting down for more television interviews. >> oh, maybe she'll come here. that would be fantastic because the invitation is out, and we would love it, and we would welcome her. >> no, no, actually, we ask follow-up questions, so mark us off the list. >> i think it would be a really good idea. >> i don't think she would do it. >> what we do know is she'll be doing ellen degeneres this week, and the "new york times" reports
her team acknowledges they mishandled press access to their response to the e-mail controversy, including the floating rope line incident. oh, yeah, remember that? and flipping joke s about her e-mail like this one. >> by the way, you may have seen that i recently launched a snapchat account. i love it. i love it. those messages disappear all by themselves. >> what's the next ennixon equi to that. what the joke about breaking into watergate. what would it be? iran contra, maybe. >> she had the follow-up about wiping with like a cloth, and then brian fallen said i don't know what it means to wipe. >> i know. i know. i guess it would be more like if david petraeus was in front of a
federal judge making a joke about classified material he let out. >> the times also reports a second review confirms there were two e-mails marked top secret. the highest classification of government intelligence, on clinton's server, including an e-mail about north korea's nuclear weapons system. >> that's pret bad. >> the clinton campaign found issue, saying the material was classified later on, but a special intelligence review confirmed it was sensitive when she got it. this comes after clinton revealed late friday of the holiday weekend that she and her family personally paid a state department staffer to set up and maintain her private server to, quote, report the unusual arrangement helped clinton retain personal control over the system. i guess that doesn't make sense with part where she said she wasn't thinking. >> that's one of the most
ridiculous things she told andrea mitchell which was one of the many ridiculous things she told andrea mitchell on friday, the friday before labor day, where she said i wasn't focused on it. little e-mail system while i was getting ready to take care of the big problems of the world. if you weren't, then why didn't you take the state department e-mail that everybody else always gets. why were you, the day before you were sworn in, busily getting a home server set up? i mean, all of her arguments just melt in the light of day. that one melts in the light of day. why did she do it? if it didn't matter to her at all. them going around talking about, well, none of them were marked classified. irrelevant. none were classified at the time they were sent or received. that's not true either. the second she sends an e-mail out and it's an improper e-mail with information, they have gone
back and backdated it as classified from the moment it was sent. >> post-labor day, go back to basics. she's formidable front-runner for the democratic nomination. some of the coverage of this issue is unfair, but she's not being forthcoming and her aides aren't being forthcoming of key facts. they're not willing to show weakness. you have the inevitable reality that her poll numbers have gone down. people think she's not honest. people are alienated by her behavior because they're not answering questions. we have her congressional testimony, fbi investigation, monthly releases of more e-mails. and showing more joy alone will not solve it. >> here's what's so funny, as we post-labor day set up this campaign now that it begins in earnest, here's another fact joey scarborough told me. he said hillary's odds with the bookies, you know, the money services that steve rattner says are always more accurate, have
actually improved for her since the e-mail story went out. not because she's doing better but because the republican party is in such a mess. so she's actually today smarter money to be elected president of the united states than she was before all of this began. >> there you go. what has been unfair about the coverage? there are questions. >> there's some things, for instance, on the question of whether she decides which e-mails are personal and which are not. that is the way the system works. she's right about that. that's a big thing that people harp on, the decision to destroy the personal e-mails. she had the right to do that. >> when she says it was allowed, i don't understand, where's the foll follow-up to that question. by who, who allowed it? >> to use a private e-mail account. >> >> she said it was illegal. it was against rules but not illegal. >> allowed by who? >> that's one of the questions
they won't answer. >> the question is when hillary tells andrea mitchell the state department allowed it -- >> okay. >> who? she was the state department. >> they're avoiding the inevitable which we'll eventually know the answer to. who authorized it? >> nobody allowed it in the state department. the obama administration will tell you today they didn't want her to do that. >> there were lawyers and i.t. people who -- >> finally, the clinton campaign has come to terms with the fact this is not going away. this is a story, if you look at the poll numbers in new hampshire, the nbc poll that came out, she's flipped in new hampshire by 19 points just over two months and now trails there, bernie sanders, it's tightened up in iowa. her lead has been cut in half there. >> for people driving, willie, why don't you tell them? >> the new hampshire democratic voters, bernie sanders is up by nine points. in july, he was down by ten
points to hillary clinton. how does she manage this, get her message out when as mark said there's congressional testimony, benghazi, all these things that are now in front of her still. she's going to have to grapple with all while running a presidential campaign? >> she's got to develop a clear, coherent message and purpose for being president. two, she has to be willing to come on this show, other shows and lay these ideas out and answer some of the tough questions. honest questions that journalists and reporters and tv hosts may have. and three, she's got one fight on her hand in new hampshire and iowa. if she's willing, which i know she is, to campaign with the vigor back in '08 when her back was against the wall, she'll find herself in a better position. to joe's point, what joey is finding in terms of the republican disarray in the primary, that helps her. she can hope they continue to have disarray, but she can't predkate the campaign. she has to tackle this on and
take all comiers comecluding "morning joe" and other shows. >> if she comes on here, she's not going to be answer that question. >> i think she -- i disagree with you. she's got to be willing to come on and again, lay out clearly to the american people why she should be president. i saw her several times over the august holiday season. i saw her at a few fund-raisers. she was better each time i saw her. if she's willing to do that, which she's capable of doing that, and answer those questions including yours and mika's and others, she'll put this behind her and get back to the campaign she wants to run. >> some of the question. so, who at the state department allowed you to do this? we'll give you a heads-up, secretary clinton. who at the state department allowed you to do this? who went through your e-mails? because you have been very murky about this. who went through your e-mails and decided which ones would be destroyed and which would be saved? it wasn't you. you never suggested it was you. you always speak some third
party. who was that person that went through those e-mails and did you have somebody that had national security clearance to be able to tell? did you have somebody that was also read in to the freedom of information act law to make sure you weren't destroying the only records that the united states of america had of your work while secretary of state? before you destroyed those, possibly valuable information to this country? i mean, those are just two simple ones. there are about 100 other questions. >> i think she will have answered to all those questions. >> i wish you would have them friday. >> you all express a certain level of certainty on the other side of the issue. i think it's fair. as i said on the show before, number one, i don't think she did anything wrong or intentionally wrong. i don't think she violating any laws of the country and i don't believe in her heart that's what she intended to do. if she comes on and isn't able to answer the questions or
answers the questions on the side you're suggesting, i will be the first to say you're right. >> what i'm -- >> i don't believe you have any real evidence to make the case you make. i respect your sentiment. i should do the same on my side. >> harold, you're just speaking in generalities. we have no evidence whatsoever. >> follow the path. >> how many chances has she had to answer these questions for how leung? >> that i agree with. i believe she ought to come on and do this. i want her to answer the questions and i have every confidence knowing her the way i do -- >> you ask me what evidence i have. we could roll the entire united nations press conference if you would like. i would be glad to do that, one misstatement after another she has made. and this is objectively. objectively, she has made one misstatement after another. she has said things objectively about this server and about this
process that are blatantly untrue. now, doesn't take a former republican congressman to say that. you can take ron fournier and other people who have followed this closely. if you have journalists that aren't so desperate to get access in the hopes of that interview that they will actually speak the truth to power like i did to mitt romney four years ago, and i have done to newt gingrich and to other republicans time and time again, if you have the guts to speak truth to power to the clinton machine, then you have to come up with no other conclusion that they just have misled the american public time and time again since the u.n. conference. they have said things, mark halpern, tell me if i'm wrong, that are objectively false since the u.n. press conference. >> i sense you don't have confidence ellen degeneres will get to the bottom of this. >> ellen, i like ellen a lot. she may do better than most.
>> she actually is a really, really good interviewer. i love watching her. >> there are things she has said that are technically true. but there are some things that are just not accurate. i'm still -- >> say that again, don't suck it in. there are some things she said that have been inaccurate, but there's two pieces of this, the piece about hiding e-mails or e-mails not being available for freedom of information act requests and for congress. that's a big piece that i don't think we should gloss over. then there's the national security piece. and that's when it gets more attention, and which i think we have to wait for the fbi investigation. if the fbi finds the server was in fact breached, if foreign powers got access to her e-mails, that's a big problem. >> still ahead on "morning joe," did an american air strike leave 11 afghan policemen dead? and later, only in silicon valley could a 31-year-old be an elder statesman. vanity fair profiles mark
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incident, friendly fire, a u.s. airstrike may have killed at least 11 afghan policemen, according to afghan officials. the bombing took place sunday afternoon in hellmann province hitting a 30-member narcotics unit while they were on a mission. an afghan spokesman said the strike was the result of a lack of proper coordination between the u.s. and afghan military. however, u.s. military officials are denying the report, saying there had been no strikes in helmand on sunday. >> from the "wall street journal," amazon is set to issue a 6-inch tablet for $50. it comes as the company struggles to sell their pricier tablets. the price, which is half the price of the fire hd tablet is part of a slate amazon is planning to release that will also include tablets and 8-inch and 10-inch screens. >> "washington post," along with new iphones, apple is expected to unveil a newly designs apple tv at its annual event in san francisco tomorrow. siri ready
include a new remote control, enhanced video game capabilities and a universal search feature. while the much rumors iphone 6s is said to have a 3-d touch display. >> you sound very excited about that, even in your reading. i think it's one of the worst reads you had. >> so many questions come to mind. how many functions on a tv and games and set top box, how much do you need? >> just jow wait. >> just give me a remote that works that turns on, changes the channel, and turns off. that's all i want in my house. >> after two days you're going to ask for four kinds of touch. three is not enough. >> it's fascinating going into different houses if you ever, and you look at the remotes. you just don't find one where there's a red button. >> press it, delay, it turns on. what?
>> you go up and down. >> am i wrong? hey, i want a tv -- this is what i want. a tv that's a tv and has a button on it, and you press the button. i have to get up out of my chair, i want to walk to the teak, press the button, and i want the tv to turn on. >> i want to take an old zenith -- >> i don't want any stupid remote that i ever seen. don't have me. i'll take all of the remotes and throw them on the floor. >> this is a universal remote. >> and games. smart tv. >> i walked into a place -- >> it's all stupid. >> i saw the remote, and i said, i'm not -- we're not going to be watching tv all weekend. seriously, i sat down, one of those huge remotes. those things never work. you always have to call the people. oh, we have to reset it. no, just batteries. >> i want a cord attached to the tv so it works. >> i think you can -- by the way, the zenith you want, crazy
eddy's has a steale on those th week. >> his pleases are insane. >> on the topic of that, i feel the same way about most technology at this point, including in the car when you want air conditioning. it's this zone. just make a blue dial that's cold and a good old american blaster. blowing it at you. >> i'm serious. >> simplicity. >> i'm sorry. >> we digress. >> it's all a little fussy. >> the san antonio express news. terrible story. police investigating an incident involving two san antonio high school football players who they say targeted a referee. sure looks like it, in the fourth quarter of a game on pri friday. video shows the official knocked down from behind by a player. a second player dives in helmet first onto the ref. reaction from some players and students claim the hit came after racial slurs were used by the official.
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compared to last year. last year, we had the lowest number of murders in 50 years. >> so i read over this weekend, the same article that said crime was down this summer. it said the homicide rate for the year is actually up a little bit. you're disputing that? >> no, let's be clear. we have had the safest summer in over 20 years. >> i'm just stunned as are most people who live in this area that this has been the safest summer in new york. you know, no one else believes that except for the two people who were just on your set. i guarantee you this. this guy doesn't believe it. he doesn't believe it's the safest summer in new york, nordo the other people. it's the liberal policies in this city that have led to the lawlessness that has been encouraged by the president of the united states. it's coming from the top, so mayor de blasio is just following the lead of his president and the woman who he won't indorse now but he used to work for and used to be the secretary of state who has taken the exact same positions. >> okay, then. >> chris christie in new york,
sitting mayor de blasio in the past hour. >> that was a bit of a cat fight. >> yes, i think you were a little hard on bill de blasio. >> i know that up sets you. gr tomorrow on the show, the longest serving police commissioner in new york history, ray kelly. >> he's got a new book out. wow, wow. talk about telling it like it is. >> now, speaking of wow, let's go to "vanity fair's" annual new establishment list, of the young people doing nothing less than changing the world. joining us is contributor editor for "vanity fair," betsy kenny lack. great to have you back on the show. this is great. >> a great year. >> yeah. >> let's talk about the list and somebody reading the list and having taylor swift at the top of the powers that may be are going, why are you putting a pop star there? you go behind it and you talk about how this woman took down spotify. >> right. >> operating the way they
operate. took on apple. and she won. pretty remarkable. >> that's why we put her at number one. even though she's in her 20s and normally you might consider her on the disrupter list, which is demographically younger. we chose to put her at number one because she is in an old media business, which is the music business, which has been disrupted by technology. at the same time, she has completely shown her power against those technology companies. as you said, spotify and then apple. she shut them down over a weekend by pulling her music. >> by the way, who does that. >> only she has that influence. that's why we put her at number one. we feel good about that decision. >> number two, let's go to number two. bob iger. here's a guy that his first decision when he took over disney was to go after pixar. he thought he was going to be stlo thrown out of the board room. but look, the avengers, what he's done with marvel, and now star wars.
$4 billion sounded like a lot of money until you fast forward and it looks like he's probably going to make it back in two weeks. >> have you seen the toy sales? >> it's starting. >> bob iger has overseen that company with such a drive and intelligence. and making those deals, pixar, marvel, and the star wars, with george lucas, i think in december when the movie is released, we'll be stunned by the numbers. >> tell about us the cover. >> this is the first time we have ever had a businessman on the cover of "vanity fair," mark zuckerberg, 31 yearsoles. he was number one on the list five years ago and number one again. when he was number one five years ago, it was really because he founded facebook, now it's because he has managed the company and done such a good job at managing it. >> the ipo comes out, it chances. they figure out how to do online advertising on phones. it's exploded. >> also, when you think that
last month, during one day, one billion people were on facebook. that's one in seven of the world's population. that's stunning when you think about it. he is connecting the world. he's been talking about that, but he's connecting the world. >> and what you can do with that. what a difficult diva he was for that shoot, too, right? >> no hair, no makeup. no wardrobe. in and out. you got it. >> showed up. >> annie leibovitz's photo, a great shot. so he's one of our easier covers. >> who is somebody on the list from tech who is new to the list and someone maybe people wouldn't know as well as the ones we have discussed. >> meredith perry from u-beak. she's number 50 on the list. she's 26 years old and started a company that is trying to move power through wireless power, so you'll be able to charge your devices without plugging in. no wires. it's backed by marc andreessen and marissa mayer, and she's
kind of exciting. people have called her the next elon musk. >> interesting. travis culenic. >> number two. >> 39 years old. >> yes, yes. travis started uber. i think we put him at number two. i mean, the company is not profitable, but it is one of those unicorns, actually a decacorn. it's valued at $51 billion. and they probably in this year will have $26 billion of bookings, in uber cars. and i think he's -- when you think about the impact that uber's had on our culture, you have the uber of everything now. >> having an influence in a huge way. >> you say it's going to be the year of the unicorn. >> that's right. >> please explain. >> the unicorn are companies that are valued at -- private companies that are valued at $1 billion hoar more. there are now many more decacorns which are $10 billion or more. at the beginning of the year,
there were very few unicorns which is why they chose the name, because it's very unique. now there's over 100, probably 135 unicorns. so it's the funding that is out there, the frothiness, the potengs frl the bubble we're keeping our eye on. >> this idea of the tension between netflix and some of the others. i see richard plepler from hbo at number five and not the netflix guys. what has richard done that has put him and hbo where you have them? >> what hbo has done is gone with apple, they made the exclusive deal with apple and they're streaming now. that actually has been a very fast-growing app in the apple store. also, i think you just look at the quality of what hbo puts out. they got 126 emmy nominations. and even though netflix is hot on their heels and you've got amazon who is doing original programming, hbo is still the king.
>> marissa mayer is on this list, but the biggest drop. why? >> because i think she still hasn't shown she can turn around this company. their stock price is down 37%. there's concern about the alloa baba is cratering. her acquisitions. you look at mark zuckerberg's acquisitions, and melissa's tumblr, we're waiting. we're still waiting for the turn around. >> and finally, a few blocks up the street, our good friend donald trump, not on the list. >> what? interesting. >> i think that's a very fair point, joe, actually. >> you might have put it to bed a little early. >> i think it's a fair point. he's disrupting the republican party, and that is fair. that is fair. >> holy moly. the universe. betsy lack, thank you so much. the october issue of "vanity fair" hits news stands this week.
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>> grandma? nana, are you okay? >> good afternoon. >> oh, my goodness. that was a scene from the new movie "the visit." >> you know what that reminds me of? your mom. i'm joking, mrs. brzezinski. i'm joking. you like that, huh? boy, i'm going to pay for that. >> i thought you were going to say me. >> well, you in about 30 years. >> okay, joining us now, the director of the film, oscar-nominated filmmaker m. night shyamalan. also with us, another oscar nominee and the film's producer, jason blum. >> i always called you m. night. but when you're hanging out, they call you night. >> that's kind of cool. >> i'm blaming you. andrew skrar bcarborough, we ha move out of our victorian house
after seeing "signs." it was all too disturbing. >> property value went down. >> after we left town, property value. exactly. i have been a huge fan for a long time. there are three rules when you go to grandma's house. ready? eat all you want, right? >> that's a good one. >> number two, have a great time. >> these are great rules. fantastic. >> number three, never leave your room after 9:30. why is that? >> three simple rules. yeah, you just have to follow them. that's all. just follow them. >> what if you don't? >> that's a problem. >> what happens after 9:30 if you leave your room? >> not good things happen. >> the "new york times" calls this an intimate family drama tucked inside a horror picture. so tell us what drew you to the idea originally? >> what drew me to it was the fact that my favorite scary movies are fun, and what i love about "the visit" is as scary
and thrilling as it is, it's a lot of fun and also funny. that to me is my favorite thing about the movie. >> sometimes scary movies can be horrifying. >> just bleak and dark, die, yeah. >> you're left with the most horrible dreams and bad thoughts. >> we have actually made a few of those, too. >> don't bad mouth them too much. >> you don't have -- all your endings aren't happy and tied up in a bow. >> fun characters. >> whether you look at "signs" or something, you leave feeling a little better about life. >> i'm generally a really positive guy. >> we both are. >> we both are. >> positive scary moviemakers. >> for me, i actually think of them as dramas and wrapped in these kind of clothes, these fun clothes. the reason i enjoy them and these are the characters and their emotions that they're going through. when you come away, it's not a hollow, like you were saying, just for the sake of being scared, but actually, you're taking away something and it's
meaningful to some extent. i'm writing about something that's important to me with these characters. >> tell us about this family. >> you know, hopefully when you see it, actually, the movie is about, you know, a fractured family, that needs to learn forgiveness. and these kids are kind of making this movie about their family and trying to unite the whole family, and of course, start recording things that really upset them. >> i like it. >> so, compare how scary this is to some other movie that everybody would know. >> it's fun scary, right? so there's kind of like torture scare and this is not that. a add lrb where this is like buoyant fun. this is the horror movie for people who don't like horror movies. >> i would agree. scarier than paranormal activity. >> scarier than that? >> i personally guarantee that. >> a lot of yours are psychological thrills. you don't have people coming at you. there's the stort of thing, again, i can talk about "signs" or talk about -- it's the fear
of the unknown that pulls you through your movies. >> yes, fear, basically, is triggering your sense of the unknown. if there's a sound in the other room, what is it? that's much scarier to me that blood on the walls orgry graphic thing of any kind. all the movies for me, the thrillers, are psychological thrillers because it's about the character's psychology. if you're in the house and the photo is down of your wife and you're like, why is it down? you put it up, walk away and come back again and it's down again, that's scary. i love that minimalistic psychology of it. >> you always had that in "sixth sense" going down the stairs. >> things aren't right. >> let me ask you about that. i'm sure you are passed it now, but "sixth sense" that's like doing abbey road, first. and i'm serious, how does an artist get past the point where you go, god, that was so massive. and i have to replicate that, or
i can't even start it if it's not -- how long did it take you to get past that massive achievement at the beginning of your career, not getting off track as an artist for the rest of urcareer. >> that's not my perception of what happened. that was my third movie. i had written stewart little the same year. it came out the same year, a number one film in a family way that same year. unbreakable was made and released in the same calendar year as sixth sense. for me, personally, for me, unbreakable is a better movie, for me. so i'm not having -- >> a great movie. >> i'm not having the same experience, then i did "signs" the next year and on and on and on. you don't have that kind of like watching it through the media's eyes experience as you're watching it. you're just digging down. next story, next story, that kind of thing. it's always the first dance that you have with somebody, the first time that audience has a connection to you sticks.
>> is "unbreakable" your favorite child, if you can do that? >> it's up there. there's three that come to mind. they're the quirky ones, unbreakable, lady in the water, and this one, the visit, because they're slightly different. >> the visit is in theaters this friday. m. night shyamalan. >> you did it. >> you did it perfectly. >> more confidence, and it's perfect. >> more confident? okay. >> one more time. >> shyamalan. >> a little fake enthusiasm, but it was still -- >> awesome. he's directing you. do it again. >> m. night shyamalan. >> almost. a lot of body language to cover the insecurity on that. a little twisted. >> that coquettish look. you can't cover that with sexy. >> you know who could use you? hillary clinton. we'll be right back.
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two hollywood legends, robert redford and nick nolte are teaming up in a walk in the woods, based on bill bryson's best selling memoir. >> willie had a chance to set doin with the two co-stars who explained that the original idea for the film included the late paul newman. >> if you persevere, you believe in something strongly enough, you keep at it until it happens.
>> at what point did you decide nick nolte was the guy to be cats. >> pretty early on. i felt it, with all due respect to paul, a dear friend. nick was better suited for the role. i thought it would be fun to work with him because, i get to say things about nick that he can't say for himself. he's a good actor, and he's smart. and completely undisciplined. >> and you mean that as a compliment, i take it. >> i do. >> a walk in the woods is the real-life story of two estranged opposites attract friends who reunite after 30 years, and embark on a hike along the 2200-mile appalachian trail. >> do you remember the phone call? >> i just sat down with bob. cats, i guess. >> it fell into place without a whole lot of talk. >> no way that's the scale. >> it says map to scale. that's it. new plan. >> did robert tell you there
would be a lot of hiking in this movie, nick? >> no. i knew there would be that. i knew he was in shape. and i thought, that's great. i'm not in shape. i was probably 50 pounds heavier. >> and you were playing hurt coming into this. you still took on the challenge. >> pretty amazing. i know he was hurting. he had a bum hip and a bum knee. and we had to do a lot of walking and hiking and up and down. what was impressive to me was there was never any complaining. glu. >> you okay? >> never better. >> if two men are in their 70s and trying to walk the appalachian trail, they're going to be hurting. >> crazy, yeah. >> is it true, robert, i read something about you that you don't like to watch your movies? >> i thought about this not so long ago. maybe it has to do, when i was a kid growing up in los angeles,
it was kind of a rough neighborhood and we were a rowdy bunch. we would go to movies and we would make fun of the movies we were watching. and we talked to the screen. so there would be a romantic scene. we would say, right, lover. i guess i must have seen myself sitting in the audience looking at myself. >> you really should watch. you're very good. i don't know if you have heard. >> no, i'll take you word for it. >> what do you hope someone who goes and sits and watches this movie for an hour and a half walks out thinking or feeling? what do they take from the theater with them? >> first of all, they don't boo the screen. >> that's a good start. >> they walk away feeling they have seen something that is want that available anymore on the screen. >> i hope that they walk away feeling, boy, i'm going to go on a hike. >> fantastic. hey, time to talk about what we learned today. we learned so much, mika. what did you learn? >> i learn said that the front page of the "new york times" likes to talk about hillary
clinton's new campaign strategy, which is about humor. >> well, the new nixon is going to be more lighthearted. >> strange. >> what did you learn? >> mika takes direction very, very well from award-winning directors. >> they are quite impressive. >> she owned it. >> yes, i did. >> i tell you what -- you won an emmy easily. maybe even a academy award. >> chris christie and bill de blasio, i think they made news today. >> one-two punch. >> christie is tough, very tough. bill de blasio did well, too, huh? >> yes, he did. time to go. >> i had to say that for your boyfriend. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around, though. "the rundown" starts right now. ♪ mother nature can turn in an instant; don't turn back. introducing the new 2016 ford explorer.
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and good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin "the rundown" with new developments from capitol hill and the iran nuclear deal. this could be a pivotal week in the showdown between the white house and congress. lawmakers are back from their five-week summer recess and go back into session in a couple hours. in about a half hour, we're expecting to hear from a key voice. west virginia senator joe manchin on whether he supports the nuclear deal. 38 senators, all democrats, approve the deal. 34 senators oppose it. president obama needs three more votes, 41, to prevent a resolution disapproving of the deal from ever reaching his desk. also developing, former vice president dick cheney, a fierce critic of the deal, is about to give a speech at the