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thank you very much from a rainy foxboro. coverage starts at 7:30 p.m. on nbc. that does it for me this hour, i'm ayman mohyeldin. i'm jonathan cavehart. the donald is on defense after his comments about carly fiorina's face. deflategate is over, but could there be another scandal brewing for the patriots? >> facing the numbers, new polling from cnn shows donald trump is the first republican candidate to pass the 30 point mark. he now has 32% of republican support. that's a 13 points higher than the next candidate. and while trump woke up to a new high in the polls, critics say he's hit a new low. new interview in rolling stone magazine includes a questionable
comment about fellow republican candidate carly fiorina. trump reportedly said, look at that face, would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that, the face of our next president? i mean, she's a woman and i'm not supposed to say bad things, but really folks are we serious? >> carly fiorina says she's very serious. >> i think those comments speak for themselves, and all the many, many, many thousands of voters out there that are helping me climb in the polls, yes, they're very serious. >> she joined megyn kelly on fox to address the unkind words. the chairman of fox called trump's attacks on carly unacceptable and he should apologize. it was the face that launched 1,000 interviews. >> probably i did say something
about that. i'm not talking looks, i'm talking persona. when she talks about my hair, that's okay. >> why don't you talk about her brain instead of her face. >> we need somebody that's -- [ applause ] >> i made a tremendous fortune. we need people that can change our country. >> when i get criticized for my hair, which isn't that bad, you know, you've seen me, it's not that bad. i get criticized by my hair, nobody does a story about, oh, isn't that terrible, they criticized donald trump's hair? >> they ultimately landed squarely on trump's hair. the businessman hoped to use past commentary about his famous mane as a shield. the golden dome has served as a bona fide trademark. he even invited a voter to tug on his tresses last month. carly and the country deserve better. scott walker called the attacks personal and shameless. bobby jindal, who trails trump
went one step further. >> he is an unserious, unstable narcissistic ego maniac. it's time for us to put a serious political conservative, let's make america great again. it starts by firing donald trump. >> bobby jindal has focused squarely on donald trump recently. he compared trump to charlie sheen. joining me now, perry bacon, nbc news senior political reporter and brian darling, senior vice president at third dimension strategies. and formerly worked with senator rand paul. he's jumped 13 points with women voters in the gop what do you make of this gain? >> the gain with women voters reflects his gains overall. he's gaining among evangelicals,
moderates, he's right now surging in the polls. republican women and men so far like him. i've never seen a candidate like this who makes -- we always say, maybe this will be the one that takes him down, there's been so many of them now, i don't think this will make a big impact. >> do you think voters believe trump's argument that when he was talking about carly fiorina's face, that he was really talking about her persona? >> probably not. i think we know he was making a joke about her appearance and we can joke about donald's hair, i mean, his hair is awful, we can all agree to that, but the truth of the matter is, he has said these things over and over again, perry alluded to some statements he made which are far worse, they don't seem to hurt him, he seems to go up. when you see him exceeding 30% is how bad jeb bush is doing. it's amazing that he's just not even competing in this race,
barely in third place to two guys who have never run for office before. i think the bigger news today is not what donald trump said about carly fiorina, but a fact that jeb bush is buried at 9% and he can't seem to break out. >> here's a jump ball question. this is what i find curious. >> why is donald trump gaining traction with women. >> i think he's gain traction with a broad swath of americans who kind of like the fact that he's very inappropriate, he cracks nonpolitically correct statements over and over again. and he doesn't apologize for them. i think people understand that that's just the way the guy is he's wired to be someone that says things that come into his head. if he keeps it up, he's going to have to show a serious side where he can tackle serious issues, and joking will get you only so far. >> one man's not politically correct is another man's being respectful of other people.
donald trump is in a feud of faith with ben carson. take a listen to this. >> ben carson, you look at his faith and i think you're not going to find so much. who is he to question my faith? when i am -- you know, he doesn't even know me. >> is this a squabble anyone can win? >> trump may have a point here, i think someone -- carson was asked, what's the difference between you and donald trump. carson went on to talk about he has a deep faith in god and so on, i don't think it's easy to tell what one man's faith is. trump was right to defend himself. he has a stronger case here, ultimately, look at these guys in the polls, trump's at 33. carson's at 19. i would not have seen this six months ago. will it hurt them? i guess it could but they're doing really well right now. good for them. >> let's bring into the conversation michelle at national journal. is trump -- i'm going to ask you the question i asked the two
gentlemen before you came on, why is trump gain traction with women? why is trump gain traction? whoever is backing trump, backs him because he's so outspoken, because he's against all the people that they're against. he's not afraid to take on anyone. it's not a policy issue. it's not a leadership issue, he has attitude. whether you're male or female, you like this saucy outspokenness. >> will he go too far? almost certainly he will. every time he picks a fight, people love it. >> every time he picks a fight, he ends up winning in the polls. we saw a lot of attention in kentucky with kim davis, and now we're seeing a bible debate. why do you think the focus has shifted to the faith based community in the past week. >> iowa. iowa is so important the
evangelical vote in iowa is so important. we saw ted cruz go to kentucky. it's very important to get faith based voters. in iowa, we're talking about a small slice of the vote that's going to determine that caucus. if you get 15, 16%, there's a good chance you win. corners the faith based vote is important. all of these candidates are doing outreach, and some are much more aggressive than others. >> ben carson as we showed earlier on. ben carson has jumped ten points within the last month is donald trump worried? should donald trump be worried about ben carson? >> i don't think donald trump worries about anything. and as far as this goes, you know, they're both outsider candidates, appealing to people who hate the establishment. and donald trump can stay in this for as long as he wants to. he can make as much trouble as
he wants to. i don't think there's anything ben carson can do to bump him out. trump can keep this going as long as he finds it fun. >> at what point does the electorate start to get serious? i mean, you could probably say that trump's rise in the polls, yes, it's because he says the outrageous politically uncorrect thing. yes, it was august and no one's really paying attention, now that labor day is over, and folks are back to work, school's back in session, people are a little more focused, maybe now will be the moment that people take a serious look at donald trump and his poll numbers start to fall. i'm going to throw this out to all of you. what do you make of that? do you think people, now that we're back into the more serious season, donald trump's poll numbers will start coming back to earth? >> you know, i would look at december, maybe even january. history tells us 2003, howard dean was ahead for a while.
2007 you saw john mccain rise in december. you saw barack obama do well in iowa in december and january. i think we have a while to go before we can look at these polls and say this means so and so can win. i'm kind of -- i sort of view -- i'm still skeptical, bernie sanders, donald trump, ben carson are unlikely nominees for these parties, i think later on, people who may be down in the polls like jeb bush or rubio can still come back. >> it's still early, i mean, four years ago, it was rick perry in september, herman cane in october. newt gingrich in december and then mitt romney wins, we're still early in this process, we have another debate to go. the iowa caucus doesn't start until february. we have a long way to go with all the debates and infighting we're going to have. michelle, what do you think? >> absolutely agree, it may feel like we've been doing this forever for political obsessives, most of america just
could not be less interested in this. when everybody hunkers down come january and starts paying attention to the actual voting, then we'll see the numbers shake out. >> perry gave us a good historical rule of thumb, pay attention to december. thanks for your time tonight. ahead this hour, republicans scramble to scuttle the iran nuclear deal as debate is set to begin in congress. bernie sanders makes big gains in iowa, what's working for the senator as his campaign picks up momentum. stay tuned. hey babe, last one home cooks?
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house speaker john boehner says he's not giving up pp. >> this debate is far from over, and frankly, it's just beginning. this is a bad deal with decade's long consequences for the security of the american people and our allies. >> we'll use every tool at our disposal to stop slow and delay this agreement from being fully implemented. >> the plan now includes a three-part vote favored by right wing members of the house freedom caucus. steve israel a democrat who opposes the iran deal himself, called the plan irresponsible during an interview with andrea mitchell. >> let the house of representatives vote yes or no. what the republicans have decided to do today, purely in order to satisfy their right wing base is not do one resolution, but three resolutions, they are excessively partisan, gratuitous and unnecessary. it's time to start talking about
owe post deal environment. joining me now, wendy sherman under secretary for political affairs at the u.s. state department. thank you very much for being here tonight. >> good to be with you, jonathan. >> what are the risks here with this agreement? >> you know, i want to take a moment jonathan and really note the statement that was just released by the white house by the president of the united states, that the senate took a historic vote today. it's going to enable us to begin to implement a comprehensive agreement to ensure that iran will never have a nuclear weapon. and we will be doing this with partners not only the permanent members of the security council, european union and germany, but also with international partners throughout the world. i think the risk that was greatest here, was that we would not be able to go forward, that iran, which is playing such a terrible destabilizing role in the region would have a nuclear
weapon that would allow them to project greater power, be even more of a deterrent and put the safety and security of not only the united states of america, but israel and our partners at risk, so this evening as the president said, the world is safer, we are more secure and we can go forward. >> ambassador sherman, there are some lawmakers who say there are some aspects of the deal that are secret and haven't been shared with congress, is there any truth to that accusation? >> there is not. there is no secret side deal. indeed, every document that the united states has in its possession, the united states congress has. and in the confidential safeguards agreement that was negotiated between the iaea and iran, we don't have those documents because they are safeguards confidential, the same protocol that would be used between the iaea, the united states and every other country in the world that cooperates with the iaea.
we know the details of it, and those details have all been shared in classified sessions with the congress. so there are no secrets here, there are no side deals, there's the joint comprehensive plan of action which will ensure forever that iran will not be able to get a nuclear weapon, and if they take steps to be in noncompliance. we have plenty of tools at our disposal to snap back sanctions and use every other tool that we have in our complete arsenal of diplomacy and other toolboxes. this was really a day for diplomacy and an effort to try to do this peacefully. >> i was picking up on your comment about every other tool in our toolboxes. military action if the scenario you just laid out were to take place. military action is not off the table? >> no, i think military action is never off the table for a sovereign country. it's certainly not off the table for us in any situation where we feel that we are facing an existential risk and no other
option has worked. but i think everybody in the united states really really prefers that military action be a last resort, not a first resort, not even a second resort. they would much prefer for us to solve these very, very difficult problems through diplomacy, through negotiations, and see if we can't make it stick. i believe we can. and we're certainly going to be enforcing this agreement with every bone of our bodies and then some, i know the congress, which has had a serious debate about this, i think the debate that's taken place in the senate over the last couple days has shown that people have thought very much about this, the president, secretary carrie, moniz, all of us have spent hours briefing senators, briefing members of congress, i was just up this afternoon talking to a member of congress in a secure space about this agreement. people have really dug in to understand because there is a lot at stake and we appreciate that, but today is a good day
because we can take a step forward to making sure iran doesn't get that nuclear weapon about. >> how much damage would there be to the united states' credibility if somehow the deal were to fall through with congress? if the republicans were successful in derailing the nuclear agreement? >> well, it's interesting you ask that question, because today president hollande of france, prime minister cameron of the united kingdom and chancellor angela merkel of germany wrote a joint op ed and said how much they're in support of this deal, how much they think our legislature should move forward in support of this comprehensive deal, they think this is the right way to go. so if this fell apart, which with the senate vote, i believe that will not happen now, we
would be the ones who would be held responsible when the rest of the world wants to see this go forward. >> iran's supreme leader says that israel will not exist in 25 years, how damaging are those comments to the administration's efforts to get the deal in the free and clear here at home? >> our bond for israel security is absolutely unbreakable. we will do everything that we need to do to protect israel's security, and not only do i believe israel will exist in 25 years, i believe israel will exist forever, it is obviously not a good thing when any leader in the world says such things and when we've been with the iranians, we have told them so. what we really are going to watch are iran's actions, if they continue to undertake the actions they have to destabilize the middle east, we will use all of our sanctions tools, we will use all of our coalition efforts. we will use all of the tools at our disposal with our partners
in the region to make sure there's security there, and that their interests are defended. and everyone has our iron clad commitment in that regard. >> ambassador wendy sherman, undersecretary for political affairs at the state department. thanks so much for being here tonight. >> thank you. let me bring in former chief of staff to secretary of state colin powell, and adjunct professor at the college of william and mary. >> i wish they'd be quiet. this deal is in national security interest of this cun. it has its imperfections, it has its flaws, i'm astonished we were able -- given the lack of leverage we had due to the destruction of the balance of power by my administration, the bush administration in 2003, i'm astonished we got as much as we did. i take the opinion of the op ed page of the financial times that
the republican party looks like a freak show right now. it simply has no answer, no real answer to why it's opposing this deal, other than pure politics. >> colonel, is there any alternative coming out of republicans on capitol hill? what do republicans want as an alternative to this deal. there's a lot of talk about getting a better deal, but no specifics. >> some of them want war, those are the ones that scare me. they're the same ones i heard in 2002 and 2003 with regard to iraq. i lobbied the senate and the house trying to break republicans away. i thought jeff flake would eventually be on our side, these are sane and sober republicans. it all boiled down to politics at the end of the day, when i would argue with them and say, this doesn't obviate anything. if iran cheats, you can still drop bombs.
this deal does not foreclose any other option, it just gives us an opportunity to settle this issue diplomatically. they had no answer, they had no answer, they could obfuscate, beat around the bush. but they had no answer. >> let me ask you a question. if republicans somehow derailed this deal, how damaging would that be to america's credibility and standing in the world. and what would that say about the reliability of the united states as a negotiating partner? >> it would damage our reputation enormously, and with some key allies, a reputation i'll have to say, this democratic administration has in part at least repaired from the damage done by my administration, particularly with germany and with france during the second gulf war. let me say that if the congress derails this deal later on and i'm really worried about that, i'm concerned about that, i saw the congress derail the agreed framework with north korea, for
example, by not delivering oil on tom or quantities specified. not providing money for the light water reactors. when it comes down the road to lifting sanctions and so forth, things that only congress can do. i'm really worried that they're going to do it. one last question, is there anything more you would like to see in the in the iran nuclear agreement. >> i was stunned that they -- this is a negative for them, a loss for them, that they agreed to take out the core, fill it with concrete to destroy it, this is a functioning reactor, and they agreed to destroy it and turn it into one that will produce plutonium that will not lead to a weapon. so i was astonished by that, but if i were going to change anything. i would have made it a little bit longer. i would have made it probably 20 or 25 years. i do agree that the nonproliferation treaty is still in effect. the safeguards agreement, and
all that. i'm not that concerned about the time after 15 years, i would have liked to have seen a little longer window. >> colonel wilkerson, thanks for being here tonight. bernie sanders is closing the gap in key polls. what it means for the democratic field ahead. >> a series of shootings along an arizona highway have locals on alert. we'll have an update in the search for suspects next. i asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush was going to clean better than a manual. he said sure... but don't get just any one. get one inspired by dentists. with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b. oral-b's rounded brush head cups your teeth to break up plaque, and rotates to sweep it away. and oral-b delivers a clinically proven superior clean vs. sonicare diamond clean.
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in july it slipped to 129 points, now sanders has overtaken clinton by one point. this new poll marks a major victory for the sanders campaign. meanwhile, there's also good news out of new hampshire. week for the senator. a new poll showed sanders has a 19 point lead over clinton. during a press conference earlier today, senator sanders was asked about his lead in the polls. >> all over this cun, in new hampshire, i was just there over the weekend, in iowa, there last week, we're seeing a huge amount of enthusiasm from working people and low income people. and i think we have a whole lot of momentum in this campaign. what we are now going to be doing is starting to put some resources into states beyond iowa, beyond new hampshire, states that will be coming up on super tuesday. and all i can tell you at this point is, we're feeling pretty
good. >> for more, let me bring in josh barrow and victoria difrancesco-soto. thank you for being here tonight. josh, let me start with you, from what we've been hearing, this isn't about what hillary clinton is doing wrong, it's about what senator sanders is doing right. >> i don't know how you can separate the two, clinton has had a difficult summer. there are two sources of strength for bernie sanders here, one is a desire for a more left wing candidate among the base and democratic party. he simplifies that. it's something we're seeing around the world. the labor party is flirting with picking a right wing candidate. they thought she was too conservative on foreign policy, and then you've had the e-mails, i think there are not a lot of democratic voters telling
pollsters, i'm upset about hillary clinton's e-mails, so i'm not voting for her. they're exhausting. and i think that it makes people a little bit open to something else. >> clinton may be exhausting, but in one poll, 71% of democrats have a favorable opinion of hillary clinton. so that's what's strange about these poll numbers now. they seem to be looking for an alternative, and yet they still have a fafrnable view of her. >> yeah, i mean, it makes me wonder to what extent it's important for bernie sanders. the democrats have sometimes felt their leaders have sold out to wall street and sold out to centrist corporate interests. and bernie sanders puts pressure on hillary clinton to move to the left. if it looks like bernie sanders may be the nominee, how many people who are supporting him as an instrument will panic and say, we didn't want him as the nominee, he's definitely a weaker general election
candidate than hillary clinton is. >> are you surprised by senator sanders leads in new hampshire and iowa. >> i am not surprised. if you were to tell me bernie sanders was leading in texas. let's look at the numbers in new hampshire and iowa. 3% latino population in new hampshire. 5% in iowa. it's a very homogenous part of the country. when we get to super tuesday, when we're talking about the southern states, later in march we get into the midwest, that's going to be the question. and i think this is where clinton. even though she does have a lot of weaknesses as josh pointed out. is where she has the foundation of her strategy, she's been cultivating a relationship with the latino constituency for over 20 years now, if you remember back to 2008. she beat barack obama 2-1 with the latino electorate.
for right now, the black electorate is leading more heavily toward clinton. say joe biden gets in the race, then all bets are off in terms of her southern strategy, but for right now, i think she's relatively safe beyond iowa and new hampshire. >> well, victoria brought it up, sao josh. give me your view of clinton's southern strategy, there's a story in the new york times talking about how this is going to be secretary clinton's firewall. there's trouble brewing as we're talking about in iowa and new hampshire. once we get down to alabama, mississippi, georgia, that that's where she's going to take her stand against bernie sanders. >> we've seen in the polls, clinton doing much better with nonwhite voters than with white voters. to replicate 2008 and beat hillary clinton, you need the progressive left, the sorts of people who have been behind
bernie sanders. this is a mostly white portion of the electorate. and then you need rock solid support from black voters. that was the portion that barack obama put together and ultimately gave him the nomination. there's no indication that bernie sanders is building the second half of that. i would note, if you looked at the polls this time, it looked like hillary clinton had a big advantage with black voters even though barack obama is black, she had immense support from the congressional black caucus and the institutional machinery of politics. that ended up crumbling. i would say that just the fact that bernie sanders doesn't have black support now, doesn't mean he couldn't develop it in the future, he's had some difficulty talking about the black lives matter movement and other issues of particular importance. >> there's a new ppp poll out of south carolina that has secretary clinton up on sanders by 45 points. and i guess my question is, what does sanders have to do to pick
up points in the south? josh sort of eluded to that. what's your view, what can senator sanders do to make himself interesting, attract iv, worthy of consideration by african-american voters and latino voters. >> there's a two-pronged strategy here. he had his flub on black lives matter, he needs to tweak that and provide a more encompassing rhetoric. also he needs a ground game in south carolina, and he can't be in both places at the same time. he's been focusing so much on iowa and new hampshire. he has to decide is this the time to put forward some resources in south carolina. if he was able to deploy forces in south carolina, if he has the resources to do that, i think he can inch up, again, i think the lead right now with hrn 4r7b is
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the nypd is apologizing to former tennis star james blake after a case of mistaken identity led to blake being tacketed and handcuffed. nypd commissioner bill bratton said he spoke with blake earlier today and apologized for wednesday's incident. blake was tackled to the ground and handcuffed by an undercover police officer as he waited for a car outside the grand hyatt hotel in manhattan. blake was pointed out as a suspect involved in a theft ring by a delivery man helping them in the case. the police officer kept blake on the ground for several minutes but released him once he was identified and found to have no connection to the case. blake says he suffered bumps and bruises in the incident. blake doesn't think the incident was a case of racial profiling, but does feel the officer used excessive force. the commissioner said they are
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in federal court where a judge overturnlds his four-game suspension over his alleged involveme involvement. a new report sheds light on the long history of cheating. the report dexs in deep to the scandal when the patriots were caught illegally taping opposing teams' hands signals. they said at the time they only videotaped a handful of games in 2006 and 2007. but sources said the taping went much further. they stay patriots tamed at least 40 games from 2000 to 2007. that's a time period when tom brady and the patriots took home three super bowl rings. but it's not clear if the videotaping had any impact on any of the patriots' victories at the time. in 2007, belichick and the patriots were fine asked the team lost the first round draft
pick. back then, roger goodell's punishment went without appeals. the league reportedly destroyed evidence that proved the real scope of the patriots' videotaping. now eight years later, the patriots have found themselves wrapped up in another controversy with deflate gate. and as espn reports, many owners think brady's four-game suspension was a make-up call from goodell over spygate. let me bring in the national columnist for sports on earth.com. thank you for being here. what is your reaction to this new report from espn? >> let's start with this. the patriots are pathological cheaters, okay? and this goes way i don't understand spygate, way beyond deflategate. malcolm butler was a here over of the super bowl. he had the interception at the end. he was late to a voluntary
workout. note i say voluntary. yet they tried to bench him which is against the rules. two years ago, they were using all these weird substitutions patterns. so much to the point that this past spring the nfl had to change the entire rule book because of the patriots. for decades, the patriots have been monkeying around with the injury report putting in bogus injuries for tom brady and others. last but not least, everybody thinks it is cute to see bill belichick on the sidelines with his hoodies. guess what, that's against the rules for coaches but he gets away with it. so all this stuff makes you would understand what else is going on. >> that gets to my question. you just rattled off a list of particulars against belichick and tom brady and the patriots. how do they get away with what you call pathological cheating? >> well, i tell you what. what you said earlier about how the owners think this is a
make-up call. it is definitely that. let's put this into perspective. spygate takes place and they destroy the tapes. they destroy tapes. they being the nfl. you look at what's going. to patriots are the second most valuable franchise in the national football league. behind the dallas cowboys. you've got robert craft who is 1 a, 1 b or 1 c the most powerful owner. you have tom brady contrary to what they're trying to make it out to be. he is the face of the franchise. you put all this together. this is why they were getting away with it back then. so right now with this deflategate thing, this is when they decided to put our foot down and probably went a little too far. >> do you think that behavior like videotaping and allegedly stealing play sheets a direct impact on the three super bowl victories during this time period?
>> that's why i said what i said in the beginning. who knows? we know this. there is a pattern of cheating with this franchise. and we don't know what else they did. you start putting it all together collectively and you have the problem. it may not be an individual thing. even though they made, they deflated the football during the afc championship game, you had a better secretary half tom brady than the first half. that's not the point. the point is they did it. they did all the other things. what else did they do? >> regardless of the judge's ruling, do you think tom brady's recommend tags will be forever tarnished? >> for people with common sense, yes. but most people don't have common sense them just want him to play football. he is winning super bowls and has a good looking wife and all that sort of thing. so for the that common sense people, yes, but for the average fan no. >> who is your pick for tonight?
like i need to ask. >> the patriots normally beat the steelers so you probably have to go with the patriots. >> you say the patriots. thank you. i'm jonathan capehart. msnbc live continues next. right now on msnbc live, donald trump says he was not talking about looks when he talks about carly fiorina's face. so what was he talking about? plus, is there a sniper on the loose in phoenix? cars targeted on a busy interstate. also a former tennis star was mistakenly arrested. moments ago, new york's police commissioner calls the player. what he said straight ahead. and a new study from the marnls. it says one gender does much better in combat than the other. wait until you hear the results there. a very good day to you. we start with donald trump's latest political feud. this one with republican opponent carly