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passengers said let's roll. now there's something to remember if it is ever your moment to do with your very best to match. that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. . tonight on "all in" -- >> i'm suspending my campaign for the president cy of the united states. >> reporter: well, he's gone. the republican hunger games primary claims its first victim. >> and i think he is overrated as a doctor. >> for the first time donald trump has a fight on his hand and video of james blake's arrest. the former tennis star is speaking out again and joe biden opens up to stephen colbert. >> he said, dad, i know how much you love me. he said you have to promise me. promise me you are going to be
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all right. the vice president, the campaign and the politics of authenticity. >> i want to talk about the elephant in the room, which in this case is a donkey. >> reporter: when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight the first casualty of the 2016 presidential campaign. >> today i'm suspending my campaign for the presidency of the united states. i give you this news with no regrets. it has been a privilege for me. it's been an honor toll travel this country, to speak with the american people about their hopes and dreams. indeed life is good. i'm a blessed man. >> rick perry suspending his campaign late this afternoon after less than 100 daysen the campaign trail. the longest-serving governor in texas history, perry was the gop
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presidential front runner at this time four years ago before his campaign flamed out thanks in part to the oops moment in the debate when perry could not name one of the three federal agencies he wanted to eliminate. >> it is three agencies of government when i get there that are gone, commerce, education and the -- what's the third one there? let's see. >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would do away with education, the commerce and let's see -- i can't, the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> this time around, perry had been unable to gain any traction in the republican race, failing to rise above five percentage points in national polls. most recently polling around 1%, leaving him off the main stage for the first gop presidential debate. the writing has been on the wall
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for his kpilt exit. he stopped paying his staff and then after the announcement today many remaining republican hopefuls released statements wishing him well, including donald trump who tweeted that perry is a terrific guy and i wish him well adding i know he will have a great future. a response that was markedly different to other comments he made about the former governor during his short and ultimate ly futile run. starting with the beginning of his campaign when he announced his candidacy in an airplane hangar in june in 90 degree heat that trump couldn't resist knocking. ♪ >> some of the candidates they went in. they didn't know the air conditioner didn't work. they sweated like dogs. >> what do you make of donald trump's apparently unimpressed reaction? what did you think? >> i'm not going to run against any of those other candidates. >> i see rick perry the other day and he's so -- he's doing
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very poorly in the polls. he put glasses on so people will think he's smart. it doesn't work. people can see through the glasses, but he has the glasses, the whole deal. >> when you hear comments on physical features, or in your case the glasses, what do you think? how do you respond that? >> i happen to believe my record is what's going to stand out not how i do my hair or whether i wear glasses or not. >> so far, everybody that has attacked me has gone down in the tubes. perry attacked me and is getting out of the race. >> is donald trump right? are you getting out of the race? >> a broken clock is right once a day. ♪ >> joining me now msnbc political analyst howard dean. this is my question for you, governor. as someone who's a governor of a state, when you watch this happen, when you think this is
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the first person to get out, the guy, whatever you think of rick perry's politics -- i don't particularly like them. i think his record was bad in many ways. he really did run the second largest state in the union for 12 years and there's something perverse about him getting out before certain other people in this race. >> well, two of them are already out. pataki and gilmore aren't really running campaigns. they are sort of already out, even though they haven't formally said so. this is inevitable. you get 17 candidates and there's not enough money. there's only four or five that are getting the attention. i think there are going to be ten at the most that get to the starting line in iowa and bunch more drop out after that. >> part of what is interesting to me also is there is a lot of back an forth about what do polls mean this early on? it is not predictive and it's ridiculous. four years ago perry was up at this point. what they do mean is affect the
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dynamics of fund-raising and viability in the short term n. this case you can say whatever you want about the donald trump phenomenon, he's never going to be nominee or president. he has succeeded at knocking out rick perry who was a plausible candidate. >> donald trump will knock out more people than rick perry. a lot of legitimate candidate s will never get to the starting line. i will bet you that about seven or eight of these candidates won't get to the starting line which is iowa. christie's probably one of them. the two we already mentioned. you know, they are going to be -- more. we don't know which ones. someone today, who is pretty smart, said he thought scott walker wasn't going to get to the starting line. that would be shocking given where he started but when you have 17 candidates and a guy like donald trump and ben carson leading the pact it is not a lot of room for conventional politicians. >> so you are saying seven or eight. that's fascinating. there's a key line about markets where he says markets can remain
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irrational longer than you can remain insolvent. which is a great line. which you knew firsthand. he was adept. it strikes me we are seeing a similar thing in the republican primary. the primary market can remain irrational longer or voters cannot come -- right. >> right. >> the emergence of someone like kasich who has done done well in new hampshire for example makes it harder for some of these candidates like chris christie or lindsey graham is another that i don't think will make it to the starting line. in his own state people think he ought not to run. that's tough. >> we will -- i think that's an interesting prediction. i wouldn't be surprised if you are right, seven or eight not making it to iowa. howard dean, have a great
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weekend. >> thank you, chris. for the first time in months there's a candidate making donald trump sweat. a new quinnipiac poll out of iowa shows dr. ben carson in second place with 21% support, six points behind trump in a state where trump has led since july. carson, retired neurosurgeon with no political experience has been steadily rising in national polls and now sits in second place having risen from if 9% in mid august to 19% in the most recent poll but 13 points behind trump nationally. his rise has come from a cat stroisk slide for walker who is polling double-digits in july and now 5%. polls have been rough for walk wither in iowa where he was leading the pac as recently as july. walk wither is in tenth place with 3% support. as for carson, he campaigned in ferguson, missouri, where he
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tried to play down his rivalry with trump. carson on wednesday questions the authenticity of his faith, promoting -- prompting trump to return fire. casting carson as an okay doctor who holds horrendous views on abortion. carson later apologized and said he would not hit back. >> what i have are discovered is that the media loves to stoke up controversy. and have people fighting each other like gladiators and i think that is exactly the wrong thing to do. i've made it clear that i was not attacking him. it was interpreted that way by the media and i think he took the bait but i'm not taking the bait. i'm not going there. >> carson struck a similar note in an interview with ron allen today. >> i'm not going to get in the mud pit. if people want to attack me and say horrible things about me, that's fine. i'm not going to get back in the mud pit with them.
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>> you think that can be a winning strategy, even in the way that politics is played these days? >> whether or not it is a winning strategy, that's the way i am. i don't talk about people. i just don't do it. >> they are far outside of the republican establishment. neither held office. they don't have much in common. strump a television star in the national conscience for decades. carson an accomplished neurosurgeon that doesn't seem comfortable in the spotlight. he recoils from the insults that trump relishes and he has managed quietly garner huge audiences in the campaign trail and emerge as a legitimate flet the polls. joining me are national political reporter -- dave, i was thinking to myself today would i have taken the bet a year, eight, six months ago?
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ben carson at number two. rick perry out of the race at this point? i don't think i would have taken the bet frankly. >> thank goodness none of us are held accountable for our predictions. the media has not done a good job of saying who will rise and fall. you were saying carson has done that quietly. i can't emphasize enough. i was with him in california, texas and today in missouri. he had maybe a fifth as much media attention as donald trump, a third of jeb bush that consistently circled him on the launch pad trying to find a way to take off. there's a confusion how to cover this guy i think because his support base and his celebrity were with under the radar. a lot of home schoolers loved him for years. a lot of evangelicals and people who had seen him speak at events as a celebrity inspirational speaker. he really did creep up on people and still is at 25%. >> david's point is important. in some ways ben carson had
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carved out celebrity for himself, but not the celebrity donald trump had. among a certain segment of the population who knew who he was, gone to his events and bought his books and view him as an inspirational national figure. whales your understanding of the ben carson appeal ? >> my understanding is twofold. look at whose dropped in the polls. scott walk wither you mentioned earlier but look at the support for jeb bush and look at where are the supporters for someone, not only for trump but carson evangelicals, climate change deniers which is ironic, considering he was a neurosurgeon who believes in science but he denys there is man made activity that causes climate change. look at women. across those three groups and there are more but climate change deniers, evangelicals and women, carson has been building support. by the way, for a party in the
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midst of dog whistling racial politics, i think it makes white republican primary voters feel good about supporting a black can day. remember herman cain, mr. 9/9 /9, ben carson is experiencing the same thing. he believes he can get black voters which is a misconception. there is a ben car snon the '90 has the black america loved and now one trying to run who white republican voters are starting to love. >> i think that is also a fascinating story. having talked to folks at these events the last few days, what sense do you get about how politically involved these people are and what their politics are and why they are there. >> this is something if i was a democrat or working for a democratic campaign it would make me worry. i meet a lot of people at these events and trump events who say they have not been involved in politics. maybe they voted. many say this is the first guy they have donated to.
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people that never organized in politics but chosen to be a ben karsten precinct captain or state director. people that met him years ago or saw his prayer breakfast speech and followed him. a lot of evangelical voters that are not interested in politics or given up in the last nine months of fs the year have given up decided he is so unique and inspirational, they are going to work for him. there's no one else they would consider working for. it's a question of whether they stay involved in politics. right now they are passionate about him. >> the point that david mentioned the prayer breakfast which was a breakout moment for the current incarnation of ben carson. ben carson was famous among africans in baltimore, about this rags to riches story about a guy that went from dirt poor to one of the most celebrated doctors in the country. what do you mean when you say that 1990s ben carson could have
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won a lot of black votes. this one can't. >> he was telling an inspirational story of uplift from poverty. he didn't take hard-line political positions. this ben carson has situated himself squarely in to multiple bases of the republican party. around denying climate change, most of his issue positions don't coincide with black america. he doesn't think there is an issue with police in the midst of the news of james blake, the tennis player tackled by new york city police officers that doesn't ring at all with black voters. there's no chance in hell black voters will say oh, ben carson, you represent us. let's be clear, ben carson is a shrewd and savvy politician. he knocked at donald trump. he basically bible whistled and said i don't know if he is really a christian. then he backed away from it. that is a shrewd political move.
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let's not underestimate his political skills. >> good point. he's sort of playing naive. obviously an incredibly accomplished guy. >> thank you very much. still to come, the new shocking video of a plain clothes nypd officer taking down tennis star james blake and the response from republicans after they failed to stop the president's iran deal and joe biden sits down for his first interview since his son bo died. those stories and more ahead. everyone loves the picture i posted of you. at&t reminds you it can wait.
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>> will it deliver for joy? >> rick perry. >> rick perry, he's got three good reasons to run but can only remember two. >> what's the third one there? let's see.
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>> the former governor of the lone star state is back. but this time he's got four eyes on the prize. >> today has been awesome, girl. >> reporter: he's former texas governor pic rick perry. >> rick perry's announcement he is pd suspending his campaign for president isn't just a loss for supporters but for joy reid who picked anymore her draft in january. there are no penalties for your draft candidate dropping out the decision means joy won't get more points from him. the rest of the scoreboard will light up like a pinball machine next week as republicans head to the library for their second debate. we'll be right back. my name is anne. i'm one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. don't let unanswered legal questions hold you up, because we're here, we're here, and we've got your back. legalzoom. legal help is here. you're down with crestor. yes! when diet and exercise aren't enough,
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across the country family members gathered for a somber ceremony at the lower manhattan site where the twin towers once stood. vice president biden met with first responders. in washington, president obama observed a moment of silence on the white house lawn with the first lady. on capitol hill, however, house republicans were using the occasion for a different aim -- denouncing the president's nuclear deal with iran. a day after senate democrats handed the white house a momentous victory on the deal the house gop passed a symbolic resolution disapproving it, adding it to the long list of things president obama has managed to achieve without a single republican vote. one speech in particular illuminated the politics of the vote. it came from mike kelly of pennsylvania fresh off of his appearance at the anti-airan
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deal rally on wednesday. >> we need to eck doe coe what we said on sppt and that is never forget, never forget, never forget, never forget. never forget, never forget. >> his speech today the congressman invoked 9/11 once again. >> as we let our eyes fill with tears over the great -- that day. as the ears picked up on the message, death to israel, death to america, let us resound with strength and say listen, never again, never again, never again. do not sacrifice the safety, the security and stability of 330 million americans for the legacy of one man. >> those comments provoked a strong response from member of new york's congressional delegation, joe crawley. >> mike kelly is a good man. i like mike.
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i admire him. i think he did a disservice to this house and debate by bringing up the issue of 9/11. i thank him for his honesty, for showing what this is about. having this debate and vote today to stir the emotions of the american people. my emotions always stirred on this day. 14 years ago, i knew people who died that day. my cousin died. my friends died. i don't need to be reminded of that, but it will not cloud my decision making on this important issue. after all of this discussion and talk about bipartisanship, a real profile of courage would be for one 0 of you to support your president. one republican to stand and support your president. >> joining me now is congressman joe crowly. democrat from new york. do you think this was a cynical attempt to hold this vote on this day explicitly to try to use the emotion of the day to
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get them democrats on this vote. >> it has taken 14 years but they finally politicized 9/11. i think there was some calculus in this. we could have started debate a day earlier, had the debate yesterday. could have had it next week. the timing of the vote didn't matter anymore once the senate had gone home. i think moved the vote forward. we thought the vote one next week but it was this week and i think they did it to time it on 9/11. >> i have to say i remember when 9/11 was with invoked as the reason to go to war in iraq. that saddam hussein had connections to mohammad youssuf abdulazeez t- mohammad youssuf abdulazeez tta. it seems a disservice of the
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memory of the event who did 9/11 which neither saddam hussein or iraq and not the iranian regime. it was al qaeda and bin laden and those are different people. >> you are letting the facts get in the way. i made comments on the floor about the fact that many of my republican colleagues never read the deal before they came out against it. they criticized us for not supposedly reading the affordable care act before we brought it forward. they were against it before they read it. they don't let the facts get in the way. i thought it was outrageous, the base level they brought the debate to the floor on. i like mike kelly but thought he did a disservice to the house and floor and the institution i love. we were not able to focus on the deal itself. not once did they focus on the deal, only the rhetoric and did a disservice to the american people. they are not dumb. they know what happened, they know what happened on 9/11. they know iranian regime had
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nothing to do with it. they were spot responsible for 9/11. >> when you woke up to go to work, did you know, like most days i imagine when you have a vote that you are not going to get a single republican vote on this. >> i knew that. in fact, i was mulling that in my mind about this outcry for bipartisanship and opposing the president. yet not a single republican. i know there are republicans that know what they are doing is wrong. not one had the courage to stand with their president, our president. he's not my president alone. he's not a democratic president. he is all of our president. and they let politics and the bullying of their party get in the way of doing the right thing. >> congressman youley, thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. coming up a massive update on the clinton e-mail controversy that remarkably no one seems to be talking about. i want to tell you what it is. so don't go anywhere. to the couple who set aside the whole day to sell their old car
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at the heart of the hillary clinton e-mail controversy, you have been hearing so much about is this -- did she break any rules or violate the law? yesterday, though practically no one in the media noticed we got the best indication yet from the department of justice that hillary clinton did not violate the law when she deleted personal e-mails. this headline from the washington times was justice department rules hillary clinton followed law in deleting
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e-mails. similar headline appeared in buzz feed today. otherwise extremely small amounts of coverage of the development. here's what happened. judicial watch filed a petition with district court in washington, d.c. ask the state department to make public the personal e-mails clinton deleted from her server. the justice department responded on behalf of the state dmpt an official legal brief submitted to the court. "there is no question that former secretary clinton had authority to delete personal e-mails without agency supervision. she appropriately could have done so even if the were working on a government server." that was the heart of it was ten pages long. shes she was within her legal right to delete personal e-mails. this does not address whether classified e-mails or sent or received or if she knew at the time they were sent. it covers one point in the controversy that clinton did something illegal by deleting
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tonight we have disturbing video of the arrest of former tennis star james blake outside of a hotel in a case of mistaken identity. it shows blake standing outside of the hotel two days ago when he is rushed by a plains clothes police officer who tackled him. he handcuffs the former tennis pro as he lays on the ground. blake who spoke about the incident on wednesday said he was detained ten minutes before they realized they had the wrong man. >> i immediately talked to my wife. first one i talked to. she said, what if this happened to me in immediately i was furious because i thought about what i would be thinking if someone did that to my wife, if
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someone tackled her in broad daylight, paraded her on a busy sidewalk in new york city with in handcuffs, cuffed behind her back taking away her dignity and i couldn't accept that. i know a lot of people have no voice to have recourse and i'm lucky enough to have the opportunity to sit here with you to be able to tell the story and let people know this happens too often. >> the nypd brass, who learned about the incident from media reports, they say, say blake was with mistaken for a suspect in a fraudulent credit card ring. >> the concern we have was the force used appropriate and initial review, we believe that it may not have been. secondly, what transpired after the release of mr. blake relative to reporting of the incident, which was not done. >> reporter: the officer, who was seen on video tackling blake has been placed on desk duty pending investigation. and he has been identified as a four year veteran of the income pd.
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he is named in two open federal civil lawsuits involving men who claim they were beaten, pepper sprayed and falsely arrested. an investigation done last year found that he was named in five complaints during one seven-month period in 2013. bill de blasio and bill bratton apologized. today he thanked the two but said extending courtesy to a public figure mistreated by police is not enough. i'm calling on the city of new york to make a significant financial commitment to improving that relationship particularly in those neighborhoods. in parts of brooklyn they occur frequently safe to say? >> absolutely. >> my first thought is forget mistaken identity. let's say that was the guy. really? say that was a person that was part of a credit card ring doing bad stuff. still seems excessive use of
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force. >> sure. it is 9/11, a lot of people are remembering their families, so i want to say grace and peace to them. of course. first thing is irrespective, the guy is leaning up, just chilling. it's not a violent crime he was suspected of. you don't think he is a violent suspect. >> no apb out saying this guy may be packing. >> why rush him down. i think that is inexplicable. we have to talk about that. why does this happen so often to to certain type of people? i think people try to divorce the two with and you shouldn't. this happens to people who don't have melanin in their skin, i'm sure it does. but when you look at how many times it occurs, it happens more often to people with more melanin in their skin. i happened to me and a friend of mine on labor day. i remember thinking it got a lot of attention. whatever happened to me wasn't substantiated because there was no video.
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but we were able to deal with it, get policy change. i remember thinking what if i wasn't a council member. >> you were stopped and frisked essentially. >> we were going to an event on labor day weekend. they didn't believe who we said we were. he worked for bill de blasio at the time. he was thrown to the ground. we said what if we weren't public officials, what would happen? we would have records and nothing -- no one would have been the wiser. >> one of the things that's disturbing about this case, and again, i think one of the things we have learned about this is you can have a small number of police officers who act in a reckless, sometimes cruel fashion who could do a lot of damage if they are left 0 to do that. in this case, and i don't want to -- i don't know the full record of this person but we have reporting that suggests this is a cop who's had a lot of complaints launched against him. >> being a police officer is a tough job. getting people to do things they don't want to do is tough. getting someone arrested that doesn't want to be arrested is
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tough. that's not what is happening here. this is inappropriate force used and seemed like a person who has a record of doing this. where is the system to make sure that if we see something going on here that we say pause on this person, either work with them or remove them. the good things that happened, they apologized, which is good and modified duty. we need to see real accountability after the investigation. what i didn't like is people trying to pretend race had nothing to to with it. >> commissioner bratton said it is ridiculous and said if you look at the photo of the suspect he looks like the guy's twin brother. >> the bad part is if you can not admit part of the problem, we can't fix it. if we say race has nothing to do with it, we won't be able to deal with the part that race plays in the fact that every time we look at this, we know what the person looks like, black, latino. the other thing is what if he, rightfully so had responded. we might have had another person
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injured or dead on a nonviolent crime. >> a key point. according to mr. blake, the police officer did not identify himself. as you see he is not in uniform, no point in the initial approach where he appears to flash a badge. you can imagine mr. blake thinks he is being assaulted and possibly fears for his life. maybe this guy is going to kill him right there and if he fought back, whacks or punches him, next thing you know the police officer fears for his life and he could be dead. >> we have to have accountability for these officers. they have to be punished for actions that are wrong. we have to be honest about how race plays in policing and in these issues. >> thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. ahead, joe biden's emotional interview with stephen colbert. stay with us. (clicking noise) . >> it's just a place you can go. read text. (siri voice) adam, i'm sorry. i shouldn't have said that about your hair. it's not stupid. (ding) find hair salon. wow.
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i want to give your office the respect that it deserves. how much is that? >> vice president joe biden's first interview since the death of his son bo was a remarkable piece of television because it was so much more than what we are used to seeing when a politician sits down with a comedian. joe biden's conversation was with honest, tend and profoundly moving. it began with colbert trying to shed like on biden's likability factor. >> everybody likes joe biden, right? i'll tell you why i think that is. i think it's because when we see you, we think that we're actually seeing the real joe biden. you are not a politician that created some sort of facade to get something out of us or triangulate their political position or emotional state to try to make us feel a certain way. we see the real you. how did you maintain your soul in a city that is full of people trying to lie to us in subtle ways. >> what always confuses me about
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some folks i work with is why in god's name would you want the job if you couldn't say what you believed? i'm not -- there's nothing noble about this, but ask yourselves the question. would you want a job that, in fact, every day you had to get up and you had to modulate what you said and believed? if you are going to run, you are running for a reason. you want the job for a reason and if you can't state why you want the job, than there's a lot more lucrative opportunities other places. >> the topic turned to his son bo who succumb to cancer in may. biden lost his wife and daughter in a car crash in 1972 shortly before elected to the senate. colbert lost his father and two of his brothers in a plane crash as a child two years later. >> think of all of the people you know who are going through horrible things and they get up in the morning an put one foot in front of the other and they don't have anything like the support that i have. i marvel -- i marvel at the
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ability of people to absorb hurt and just get back up and most of them do it with an incredible sense of empathy to other people. it is interesting. the people i find who i am most drawn to are people who have been hurt and yet -- i'm not going to to embarrass you, but you are one of them, old buddy. no, no, no. your mom, your family, losing your dad when you were a kid and three brothers. i mean, you know, it's like asking what made your mother do it every day? how did she get up every single day with, you know, 11 kids? >> she had to take care of me. no, that's it. we were there for each other. >> a hell of a job. >> i had to take care of her. >> towards the end of the interview it was time to address
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the elephant in the room. >> you said recently, this weekend, you don't know if you are emotionally prepared to run for president? >> look, i don't think any man or woman should run for president unless, number one, they know exactly why they would want to be president, and two they can look at the folks out there and say, "i promise you have my whole heart, my whole soul, my energy and my passion to do this." and i'd be lying if i said that i knew i was there. it's a -- i went out to denver and i landed on a military base and i met a whole group of military families which is not unusual. on the rope line, 100 yards from the aircraft and about
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two-thirds were in uniform, the other were family members. i was thanking them and i really meant it. this 1% is fighting for 99% of the rest of us. i was talking about them being the backbone and sanu of this country and it was going great. a guy in the back yells, major bo biden, bronze star, sir, served with him in iraq and all of a sudden i lost it. i know, that's not -- i shouldn't be saying this. you can't do that. >> one of the last things colbert told the vice president said, i think we'd all be happy if you did run. a lot of people watching that felt that feeling. there's a paradox here, though. the joe biden that everyone saw last night cannot be the same joe biden that runs for president. i will explain next.
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riggers of a presidential campaign credited for launching her to victory in new hampshire. joining -- as someone who's been on the other side of the press during this, here's the way that i view the paradox of authenticity in a political campaign. the press demands authenticity, ranks people by authenticity and demands total discipline and no gaffes. those things are -- normal people say stuff all the time that could be misinterpreted or they regret, but that's part of being authentic. in some ways it is a mug's game, trying to live up to expectations of authenticity. >> that's right. i they is the paradox of joe biden in a lot of ways. he's so honest and sometimes that leads to a gaffe and more times than not it allows people to see who he is and create empathy with the american people. i think when joe was talking
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about, last night, when he was talking about bo's fellow serviceman coming up and talking about surfing with him and joe breaking down and saying i can't do that. i think what he was referring to, i'm not sure, but i think he was referring to as president of the united states you can't afford those kinds of emotions. you are right. there is that paradox. i think that allows people to connect with the vice president in such a meaningful way. >> do you think that is a fair characterization of the way the political press approaches this, this seeking authenticity. and sort of analyzing whether people are seeming staged or awkward at the same time punishing things that might be authentic but are also gaffe induced? >> well, i think you make it a little more complicated than it has to be. when you talk about the raw emotion of your son dying where you don't have to worry about policy or anything you come across more authentic. the reason people stick to
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talking points and they don't want to make mistakes and we are all grateful we do shows like this and don't say something because you can't take it back. but having said that, i think the overriding thing here is that the -- biden is getting sympathy because if you couldn't be authentic, if you couldn't speak about your sorrow and the death of your son it almost would seem unnatural, wouldn't it? >> yeah, it would. i can imagine another politician handling it differently and not talking expansively about it. i can imagine a variety of ways. i can also imagine michelle goldberg made this point that a female politician making the same point about breaking down and feeling emotion would be more dangerous. >> i don't know. i think it depends how people are. a veteran biden watcher told me how he processes his grief is through talking. this is characteristic. i don't know if this is a gender thing or not. of course women always have to be careful if they tear up or
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cry. >> i guess my point is that it's like -- i love watching that interview last night. it felt like it was existing in a space of it had left the sort of fourth dimension. i was watching two human beings talking about life and suffering and faith and things like that. i was reminded of that documentary about mitt romney on netflix. he was the most i ever liked mitt romney. it was him just being a person. talking about things with his family and why can't that be the guy on the stage but of course that can't be the guy on the stage. >> no, it can't. there's a difference between going on a show and talking about the loss of your son and running a campaign. one of the things that the vice president hit on last night that is very important is he's got to be ready for this. he has to be able to say to the american people he can give 110%. a campaign is grueling thing. you are up at 4:00 a.m. every
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day and not going to bed until midnight or one and shaking a million of hands and sleeping on a plane. having that sense of contemplation is also real important. it serves as a stark contrast to what we see on the republican side. i think that is also terribly important for the american people to see. >> i was thinking about hillary clinton's favorability ratings. they are high when she's not running for office and come down when she is running for office. >> that is instructive as to what i think vice president biden will face if he gets in the race. now, this is a -- what a grace period. >> that's exactly the point. i thought about colbert saying everyone likes joe biden and talking about the most tragic, overwhelming awful thing, a father having to deal. if he declares a month from now, you are like back in the pit and people are going to be making
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fun 0 of you saying something out of line. >> it is brutal. politics at this level is brutal. the only one who seems immune right now from paying consequence of a gaffe is donald trump but who knows. >> who knows how long that will last. lynn sweet, thank you for joining us. good evening, rachel. >> happy friday. thanks to you as home for joining us this hour. this time four years ago, this time in the last race for the presidency it was a big field of presidential candidates on the republican side. but this time four years ago there was one clear front runner. by mid september, by this time four years ago, not only did the republicans have someone leading in the early states and nationally, but by this time in the race four years ago, this one front runner had been the clear front runner in more than 15 straight national polls. he led in the polls at that point he had been leading ever since the first moment h

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