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arrest at the hands of the new york city police. and on the hunt in phoenix, arizona. we begin with politics in the game known as the super bowl of iowa for candidates in the race storming the football matchup to greet fans. donald trump did draw the biggest crowds and slightly nicer mode in some talks with reporters. indeed, he talked to our own katy tur about facing off with carly fiorina. >> they say if anybody is going to land a clean blow on you at the debate on wednesday it will be carly fiorina. are you worried about her at all? >> she's a very nice woman. i think she'll do well. i asked that she be on the debate because i think she should. >> it's important that he asked that she be on debate. just kidding. that's actually irrelevant. trump may have to answer, though, for how he's fathering with latino voters given his
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hard line immigration stance. this poll released by msnbc, how trump is doing with the latino audience. 70% of latinos say they hold a negative view of trump. only 13% currently say they hold a positive view. throughout the show we'll be showing you more results on how iowa voters feel about trump, of course, but this entire shifting presidential field. trump reaffirm ed his immigratin plan yesterday. >> i'll tell you what, it's been really well received. better than i thought. and i thought it was a little bit stringent, a little tough. and a lot of people think, oh, could you make it tougher? it's true. >> well, we have a panel that will make it tougher all morning. jessica taylor is covering the 2016 race for npr, the hill and
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national journal. >> president bush sr. and old cable friend and david goodfriend, former white house aide to president clinton and professor. good morning, everybody. >> good morning. >> i'm going to start with you as the republican. donald trump not going anywhere. building the numbers. crowds matter. organizing matters. face to face. that all matters in iowa. people are coming out for him. >> he's excellent at this. you have to realize somebody who was able to sustain high ratings in the tv business can probably do the same in politics. that's what donald trump is doing. he knows how to connect with voters and is doing that in a great way. he will retain these high poll numbers. usually the person leading this early in the race does not emerge as the party's nominee. all bets are off. this is a different cycle. he is tweeting, using social
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media to an advantage and retaining his lead very strongly. >> the inner trump in social media all comes out and hangs out. some of the tweets get deleted. a lot of what motivates him. i'm saying this as a fact. insulting people motivates him. insulting people is how he gets himself going, and in the conversation. i want to play rush limbaugh calling on donald trump to cool it with the insults. take the irony of that, as you will. take a listen. >> just a small, tiny message for the trump campaign. and it was what i would say tod today. let's get back to the issues. and i don't mean to be mocking you in the stick to the issues crowd here. i mean, i'm serious. i don't -- i don't know what the value is in ripping into ben
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carson as an okay doctor. >> do you have to be careful when rush tells you to cool it? >> he has reached another level when that happens. for some people, when you said things about dr. carson, an okay doctor, he is the first man to separate conjoined twis twins and his comments against fiorina. she's great. i want her on the stage. you know, if he goes after her in the debate, i think that's going to be even more of a backlash. i think that's the one thing he's almost like there's no kryptonite that can take him down so far. the des moines register went back to talk to gop women who said they would vote for trump and you see them backing off because of what he says about fiorina. he said i'm on only attack when attacked.
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but he comes back with personal attacks. >> i don't think he makes the distinction you're drawing, well known in politics, one your old boss felt very strong about, george bush sr. saying let's focus on policy not get into the gutter. that is not something that's relevant to him. he has no policy part of his brain. >> right. >> he's all conversation. this is yesterday in aimes doing the thing against carson again. >> people don't have energy. y think ben has the energy. ben is a nice man. but when you're negotiating against china and you're negotiating against these japanese guys that are going to come at you in waves and they think we're all a bunch of jerks because our leaders are so stupid and so incompetent and so inept. we need people that are really smart, that have tremendous deal-making skills and that have great, great energy. >> i kind of feel like the republican party, including rush
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limbaugh, listens to things like that and say we have seen the enemy and it is us. s that the face of conservatism in america, divide and conquer. latino voters and how they feel about donald trump, the mountain west has become the battleground for the presidential campaign. in nevada, you have to win 35% of the latino vote to win that state. what is the republican party going to do about that when they're spewing this hateful speech not only about latinos but the asides to women and ben carson. donald trump certainly is channeling something. i have to say a lot of it is the ugliest side of conservatism. they have problems. >> joe, you look at the evangelical voters in iowa, who they like and how they look at this race. they're not only going to trump. you have 27% going to carson. that's more than anyone else. then trump does do surprisingly well, i think, from the way we imagined before he got in the
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race. cruz, huckabee, who has much more of a religious footing. this is a community that looks at issues as well as personality. why would donald trump want to go after him, ben carson, in this personal way and say you're not a good doctor. you're not smart enough. when he is one of the more accredited people in the field. >> what donald trump knows is that what you say for the moment matters for the moment. this is a cycle where people are engaged moment by moment. so that's why a couple of months ago, he would have had a 60% unacceptable rating to voter and today he has more than a 60% acceptable rating with those same voters who maybe a few months ago didn't think he would be acceptable as a candidate for presidency. they like what they're saying today. he knows that. he knows how short the cycle is. the political business is as
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transitory as everything else. what you say yesterday is not necessarily what you might say today or tomorrow. there's plenty of time to apologize for whatever you said and to make it up. somebody who doesn't like it today might be your friend tomorrow based upon what's happening in the world and what you say. >> talking about evangelical voters, on, drilling down on that. evangelical leaders and talking with voters outside trump's event in greenville a couple of weeks ago in south carolina. one thing i kept hearing was, he says he's never asked for forgiveness. he talked about communion in a different way. >> evangelical leaders i talked to that were anti-trump think he is a fraud anyway way. he is sort of tapping into that sentiment. they feel like the republican party has abandoned them. they were promised these things. they feel like they've been taking for granted. sort of the enemy of my enemy is
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my friend. they feel that he's tapping into that anti-establishment sentiment. you see cruz, huckabee. if donald trump keeps using some of this language and alienates people further -- >> did you find that he is such a big, potential force? evangelicals who went with santorum won iowa and then in a sense felt that they wasted that leverage because they went back to the romney centrist sellout. unlike a huckabee or santorum, there's increasing fear among republican elites that he could win. >> he could make these things come to fruition, they don't feel that they are wasting their vote on someone that won't be as forceful and get things done and take the nomination. they see him as someone who can
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one win. there is such a concern about him. i think this is one of the biggest tests. >> you have to consider the fact that it's not just evangelicals or what little box you fit into. we all fit into five or ten different boxes. you might be an evangelical but you might be an angry eve evangelic evangelical. you have two jobs, no benefits and have to pay more money just to have medical care and you're mad. >> it's not a single issue voter. >> he's tapping into the fact that -- think about it. two leading republicans are outsiders. people who have never held political office. what voters are saying in iowa, new hampshire and other places, we are so angry at the folks that have already been there, that have put us where we are now, that we're willing to take a chance on somebody who is completely outside the system. >> we have to take a quick break. eveangelical mode is sort of a
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walt whitman kind of -- do i contradict myself? of course i do. if that's not the way to start up this morning, i don't know what is. i want to tell people still ahead donald trump's comments about latinos have gotten him into some trouble and comments about women. carly fiorina joining the debate stage, the only person making it up from that smaller debate last time. who else should we watch for in this republican debate? who has the most to lose? we have an historian on to join us. stay with us. now that's a full weekend. join in and guess the five stops they made by tweeting #altimaweekendcontest for a chance to win your own weekend adventure! car radio: with our monday morning traffic report...
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commerce, education and what's the third one? >> five. >> oh, five, okay. commerce, education and, uh -- the, uh -- epa. >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government? i would do away with the education, the, uh -- >> commerce. >> commerce and, let's see. i can't. the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. >> that is still kind of hard to watch. ri many trace rick perry's exit to that debate. so high stakes for candidates. the only high profile time that voters hear from several candidates directly without a filter. mistake can define a candidate for years and breakout moment can define a candidate for their strength. >> would the sound man please turn mr. reagan's mike off for
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the moment? >> would you turn that microphone off, please? >> i am paying for this microphone. >> 25 years later, donald trump is showing the ability to hold down the mike. remains a selling point with voters in an area of fractured media. look at this. the first primary debe in 2012 drew 3 million viewers. it jumped to a whopping 24 million people to see that large field and the reality show star. so, is the past prolog for wednesday's debate? for historic contest we're joined by adam lictman along with our panel.
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does this contest remind you of anything you've seen in history? >> i call this the tour de france debate. like the great bicycle race, right now there are a couple of sprinters out front. donald trump and ben carson. then there's the pelaton, the pack of these distinguished candidate candidates. will one of the two sprinters falter and someone else emerge? what history teaches us is that you can only deal in the media and in the public mind really with two or three candidates. you can't deal with this pack, with this pelaton that becomes anonymous. how does someone emerge? history shows there's only one way to do that. and it's kind of the way donald trump is. i don't mean by bombast and bluster. i mean by being yourself and then some.
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as the great author, alex haley said, you have to have some bodiedness. people vote and pay attention to those that are somebodies, not nobodies. how do you do that? say, a candidate like jeb bush. a tremendous amount at stake. he is risking being stuck in the pelaton. he can't do it by attacking donald trump. you saw the clip from ronald reagan, the teflon candidate. criticism just kind of fell off him. well, donald trump is the kevlar candidate, wearing a bulletproof vest. it stops the attacks. >> i'll tell you, professor -- >> should emerge by being himself and showing he can deal with issues, even something rush limbaugh said they have to do. >> to take your cycling analogy, it is hard to cycle for long periods of time in that kevla vest. the other thing people do beyond the style, they kind of step
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away from the back and forth. a lot of time the debate moderators with an nt to see, and show more of their own record. john kasich did very well last time, not by mixing it up. let's play a little bit of him. >> look, i'm an old-fashioned person here. the court has ruled and i will accept t i went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay. if one of my daughters happens to be that of course i would love them and accept them. that's what we're taught when we have strong faith. >> that's a remarkable moment that he actually had there, speaking about what he views as his moral judgment of this issue but also his tolerance, drawing applause for that type of position at a republican debate. we can mention it was in ohio, his home state, had that advantage. how do you think historically
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candidates are able to do that and not just be in the back and forth? >> well, as i said, they're able to do that by drawing on their own particular strengths, which is very different. kasich's strength is that he's thoughtful, moderate, focused on real issues and not on bombast and blunder. ronald reagan was so successful. people think oh, he is an actor. he's faking it. no. he was successful because he was himself. as you saw from that clip, what he was brill yaniant at was the zinger, one liner, that would disarm his opponent and bring his persona to the public. i would model ronald reagan and figure out what is the one line the punch line, the single sentence or two that i can come up with that's going to capture the public attention and give me some bodiedness?
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>> you worked for president clinton who had, as a candidate, part of this trump-style challenge and ross perot didn't play by the rules. not interested in traditional politics and was mocking and withering about the process. yet clinton in '92 was able to retain a type of seriousness. perot would make these jokes and clinton would say that's all good and funny but it doesn't help these issues. he would pivot back to seriousness. >> perot really posed a threat to george h.w. bush, really dividing the republican vote and the texas dynamic was coming out in full flower. in many ways bill clinton had to sit back and let that play out. in a way he benefited as that. in this election i definitely feel like we have a bifurcation
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between the entertainment factor and competency in governance. a couple of candidates are actually qualify to be president. it doesn't seem that matters. who puts on the best show, the best campaign. there will come a time when the voters gets in the voting booth and says this is serious. things are serious or they're just going to throw a protest vote. things are serious enough and americans are concerned enough about their future that they will come to a sort of reality moment in the voting booth where they say, who do i trust with the levers of government not who do i think has the best one liner of the debate? we're in silly season still. people haven't been in that private setting where they have to pull a lever, make a choice. i think we'll see this unfold in a dramatically different way once voting actually starts. >> alan lichtman, we have to jump. thank you for joining us from american university. >> sure, any time. >> appreciate it. justice department is now
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welcome back. the search is continuing for the sniper in arizona. vehicle hit by gunfire projectiles while driving. person of interest was taken into custody for questioning this weekend is not considered the prime suspect. covering this story for us from phoenix, scott, what can you tell us there at this early hour? >> reporter: ari, the latest from the state police director is that they are asking the public and media for ongoing
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support, vigilance and patience in what is what they call a complex and ongoing investigation. that certainly does not suggest they're on the verge of making any arrests. as you said the 19-year-old person of interest taken into custody on friday is not considered a prime suspect. he has been jailed on unrelated charges. also somewhat frustrating to authorities, there hasn't been an incident confirmed since thursday. that, in itself, is not completely unusual. we had a stretch from august 31st to september 6th without a shooting, which speaks to the random nature of all of this. authority authorities saying that there are at least three different sort of motives here or patterns of activity. some shootings involving bullets, others involving bbs or pellets and at least one incident involving road rage. it is continuing to somewhat frustrate the authorities as they reach out to the public for help and continue offering a $20,000 reward as yet, ari,
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unclaimed. >> thanks for that report, scott. up next, is one presidential candidate receiving outside scrutiny? and who is she? is that her on your screen right now? this is a tease. and we will be right back. matt's gotten used to the funk in his man-cave. yup, he's gone noseblind. he thinks it smells fine, but his wife smells this... luckily for all your hard-to-wash fabrics
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i'm hillary clinton. tonight i'm not speaking to you as secretary of state, a senator or former first lady but as a lady sitting on a couch. >> stilted and overcalculated politician and there's nothing unusual about that. americans always tell pollsters they see politicians as phonies. some clinton supporters are marshaling evidence that there is a double standard when it comes to the media's coverage of
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hillary clinton, especially the washington press corps, which may bring its own historical and spousal baggage to what should be unbiased. depending on which reporters you rely on as the most lopsided, scrutinize or a truly criminal scandal? clinton backers are especially upset with "the new york times" which they believe fixated on e-mail as a scandal. sumed it up this week, clinton coverage, "the new york times" will have a special place in hell. now the times errorioneously reported that -- and they say clinton is not a target of any criminal probe. the fbi is reviewing these classification issues.
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"new york times" responded to brock directly calling him an opportunist and a partisan who specializes in personal attacks and his partisanship has led him to lash out at some of our aggressive coverage of important political figures and it's unsurprising that he has now turned personal. he's wrong on all counts. it's weather self-anointed neutral reporters are taking some kind of side in a political campaign, whether there are different rules for clinton scandals or whether, once again, a politician is simply working the rest to distract from his or her own conduct. clinton is said to be furious at the obsessive e-mail coverage. aides say that's why she personally resisted for apologizing so long and has long taken comfort in the depiction of the press out to get her, referencing an snl parody that made her point in 2008. >> can i just point out in the last several debates i seem to
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get the first question all the time. and i don't mind. you know, i'll be happy to field them. i do find it curious. and if anybody saw "saturday night live," maybe we should ask barack if he's comfortable and needs another pillow. >> she was not alone either. we look back at this. the poll from that year felt that voters thought the media was harder on clinton than mccain. they just thought she got a raw deal. that brings us to one final point about clinton's coverage. not all clinton campaigns are the same. she lost in 2008, of course, she is now the front-runner and the press always shoots extra at front-runners. as nate silver argues, even if there were no scandals, she would probably be receiving fairly negative campaign coverage, more or less openly confesses to a certain type of buy as, rooting for the story. inevitablity makes for a boring
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story especially when it involves a figure like clinton who has been in public life for so long. is there a double standard here, jessica? >> i think it's the press' job to hold these people up to scrutiny. such a big question as this e-mail scandal merits investigation. the times has done their due diligence, the one story where you referenced was about the criminal investigation that proved ero. neous and updated that without the proper citation that was an issue. certainly the clinton campaign was right to be upset about that one. but i mean these questions are going to continue to remain. in part it is sort of a self inflicted wound of hers that she resisted so long for apologizing. >> but that's on her political approach. i'm asking first, is the press covering her in a judicious and fairway?
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>> as a member of the media, i think we are. republicans thivg they're not covering her failing enough. it's hard to strike a balance certainly. >> david, let me get your reply. reminder to viewers who are just joining us, david worked for president clinton. >> i am a supporter. >> i spoke with someone who worked for barack obama and hillary clinton. when you start working for hillary clinton, it is a different ball game. the scrutiny and the vigor with which the press wants to find scandals. >> these are businesses, including msnbc, "the new york times," you know. you want to sell advertising. and a boring story doesn't make for high ratings. let's put that out there. the second thing is i saw some very interesting news about a federal judge saying there's nothing wrong with what hillary clinton did with respect to deleting personal e-mails. where is the big coverage of that? it's buried, deep, deep.
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i had to research, goog sbl try to find it. here it is. come on. don't tell me there's this even-handed treatment of hillary clinton. everybody in the press corps seems to love the gotcha game. if i have learned anything from the clintons, we've seen this movie before. you punch them and punch them and punch them and they come back up. and that's what the american people respect most. that strength. >> they're resilience. >> it's not how you're doing when you're riding high. against the ropes, how do you do? my money is on the clintons. >> very little of this is fair. it usually never is, in this business. i love the name of chris matthews' show. hard ball. that's exactly what this business is, hard ball. and all of us who play in this business have probably grown pretty thick skin. i don't like everything that's been written about me. lots of stuff on the internet i wish wasn't there. >> and you're a pastor. >> i've always had that sense about you, joe. >> as a pastor you turn the other cheek. >> i do, indeed.
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>> let me point to your point about hardball, which goes to how you engage the press. >> i think that's been her bigger challenge. >> go ahead. >> the press has been hard on hillary clinton. i think so. and i think that for her, the challenge is -- early on, i had been queried a number of times about this e-mail scandal. i think her biggest challenge has been the way in which she has handled it. if she wins the nomination and is elected she would be the first woman president of the united states of america. she's going to garner the same kind of attention and scrutiny that president obama garnered when he was running. >> let's look to that piece. when you look at the so-called front-runners in the early part of this campaign, we tallied this up, the media appearances. jeb bush, about 39 full interviews. hillary clinton, six.
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so nothing is apples to apples in this business. >> right. >> but to go to jessica's second point, there is the argument that if you seriously con strain your interactions with the press that when you grant the view that you do, they're going to be even more hostile and even more in the weeds on the negative stuff because you haven't been available, which is different than the old -- you talk about president clinton, that's different from some of the old strategy of lanny davis who said get it out. do the interview, the second interview. leave it so there's no more questions to answer. >> she's making herself so limited availability. and when she first started off she was barely answering any questions when she was doing -- i'm talking to regular voters, but was barely answering any questions shouted to her at the press. andrea mitchell's interview with h her, she said she felt like she had to cut it off from that because they felt like they were going to cut off the interview
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if they asked too many questions about the e-mail scandal. >> they went really in-depth. >> and they did. there are a lot more things that the clinton campaign would rather be talking about than the e-mail scandal but when you make yourself so limited availability -- >> do you want to do this kind of interview, the law, who you would want on the supreme court? certain campaigns don't even want to do a substantive interview. then when they show up somewhere and get battered and they say why are you only asking about that, it's always that funny balance. of course, they want to do the local stuff as well. that's another piece to it. this is an ongoing debate. we'll pause it here. carly fiorina firing back at donald trump's seemingly sexist attacks. first, is obama redefining the american presidency? when is your flu shot more than a flu shot? when it helps give a lifesaving vaccine
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welcome back. ari melbar in for steve kornicki. president obama went ahead and achieved the biggest foreign policy goal, arguably, of his whole presidency. he got this deal with iran through congress and do so with plenty of vinegar. >> in fact, it's those hardliners who are most comfortable with the status quo. it's those hardliners chanting death to america, who have been most opposed to the deal. they're making common cause with the republican caucus. [ applause ] >> as they say in foreign policy circles, oh, snap. now president obama's biggest legacy items, that iran deal, which was multilateral with a lot of other countries or health care reform in 2010, these things aren't winning a single republican vote. one republican member of congress did go on tv
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championing the president's iran deal and knows about foreign policy. a former member of congress ousted by a tea party candidate in 2012. >> the best way to prevent and stop an iran nuclear situation. >> there are fewer and fewer richard lugars in the republican caucus. president obama faces a very different house and senate landscape and is responding, in some ways, by changing his approach to governing, bipartisanship that he promised in '08 to get things through however he can and with vinegar, when necessary. senior political reporter perry bacon jr., good morning to you. >> good morning. good to see you, ari. >> good to see you, too. little backstory on campaign politics. you and i were both on then senator's plane in 2008. you and i both saw him speak to
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hu huge crowds and heard him say over and over again, i'm going to change washington. i'm going to get people together. you speak to aides who say he tried that for four plus years and now is trying something different. >> i think this shift is smart. even during the health care act. they made great effort to find some republicans of any kind to vote with them on health care. even after he won the re-election, gun control debate they really worked to find some republican to work with them on every issue as they could. the white house takes two approaches. an issue where republicans agree with them, take the tpp, for example. they're perfectly willing to work with him, get something done. the trade deal passed with almost no democratic votes. obama worked with republicans there. there's an issue where the republicans already disagree with obama, like on health care or gun control, now the white house isn't bothering to convince them at all. if you notice how the president
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handled the iran issue, he made it more partisan than it already was. he made this very direct comparison between if you vote for this deal you're someone who is a war monger. you're someone who is on the wrong side. he made this iraq war comparison directly. what that did was it may have made republicans more likely to oppose it, but it made democrats more likely to support the deal. he only needed democratic votes to get it done and only called on democrats to get it done. it was a very partisan approach but it worked. and executive orders as opposed to working with congress on a lot of the issues. >> part of the question goes to whether you believe there is some individual important part of bipartisanship itself that should be a governing goal. the basis of both parties don't believe that at all anymore. you look at some of the biggest things out of washington that the public now opposes. the iraq war you just mentioned. initially those are highly
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bipartisan and doesn't rescue the fact that the public now opposes the content. >> you referred to '08, ari. i don't know that the president believed he could make everything more bipartisan or if he was saying that for campaign rhetoric. sort of the comments he was making back then sounded nice but they ignored all the data, which suggests most things were becoming -- two parties were increasingly divided. there are very few moderate republicans left verks few sort of the southern democrats left either. the parties are ideally divided. in fact, one thing the white house is doing now when you talk about the minimum wage or paid leave or community colleges making those free, the president talks about those in his speeches but he's not trying to move them in congress. he's trying to get cities and states like california, oregon. he's trying to move blue america in some ways without boring with congress because he knows these
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ideas have no chance in congress. >> david disagrees with you. >> take in account everything that took place before that speech. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu are going to be front and center. he made a conscious decision to align with the republican caucus in congress. he made the conscious decision to say this is the american president barack obama. it was natural for obama to say if you're with him, you're with the republicans. that pushed a lot of democrats. i've talked to democrats, members of congress in the house and senate, who said that speech by benjamin netanyahu, so squarely taking the side of the republicans, making it a partisan issue when it didn't have to be, that pushed democrats to the president. that wasn't the president doing that. >> i want to get perry's response and then take a quick break. >> we don't disagree. what you're saying is that
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netanyahu and boehner have been very partisan as well. yes, i agree. i'm not blaming president obama for the partisanship. i'm saying he has adapted to it as opposed to trying to sing a kumbaya all the time. >> joe, i'll get you on the other side. perry, we'll see you next hour. thanks for your time. until then we'll try to figure out why donald trump's poll numbers are rising with, guess who, republican women, especially in light of all those attacks on carly fiorin. a your summer vacation may be over. a new jersey bear and her kbs are still on the hunt for some r & r. look at that. they love the hammock. who wouldn't love a hammock? now that's a full weekend. join in and guess the five stops they made
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that can happen on any vacation. you go into one of those hammocks and it's hard to get a position in it. how to get your balance. that's true if you're a baby bear as well. do we have the video? baby bears. they take over the hammock, joe. but they can't get -- this is the same problem humans have. they can't actually get a good spot on it. the one in the middle knows where he wants to hang out there but then -- >> it's always the brothers and sister. >> it's only cute if it's somebody else's yard. i don't want to see them in my yard. i don't want to see those guys in my yard. if that's my backyard, my doors are locked and i'm calling the police. >> they say the most dangerous bear interactions -- i know this from hiking. is when cubs are around. >> oh, yeah. >> can we go back to the video? i don't want to see myself. simple project. watch the bear video. what do you see here? break it down. >> i know everybody loves the
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bears in this video. look at the bears. they're so cute. i'm a packers fan. any time you say bears i am not interested. >> immediate reaction -- >> we're going to win the north division and take those bears. >> right. >> jessica, you do a lot of work on the internet. the internet has decided this is more important than any type of media. >> i'm sure it gets more clicks than any other type of stories. i think they're cute but if they were in my backyard i would be freaking zblout there's another message here, sibling rivalry. the mama bear is saying please just share. when one cub gets up there, the other has to take it down. >> i hope my mother is watching so she understands why we are the way we are. me and my sblings. it's a perfect example. >> if you want to see more of this bear video twee tweet @upwithstevekornacki.
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and we'll consider running this next hour. it's up to the people. first human body transplant, italian neurosurgeon will perform a surgery on a 30-year-old russian scientist who has a type of degenerative disorder where getting a new body essentially will give him a freedom of movement he doesn't have. it is amazing what scientists can try to do these days. >> like so many things in medicine and science, i think we quickly get into the ethical and metaphysical questions here. >> absolutely. >> where does the soul reside? where does our humanness reside? >> in our head. >> i would argue that even -- this is the first night of rosh roshashana. this is an interesting thing of
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where we divide head and heart, self and soul from the body. and i think if we think of the physical in our body is irrelevant to who we are. >> jewish new year. pastor, would you be willing to crib from his sermon there? >> i'm preaching this morning actually. >> what time? >> 11:30, 12:00. >> stay tuned for that. well-take a break here. we have other stories, not just bears and souls. but more poll results from msnbc and interview with tennis pro james blake. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my airways for a full 24 hours. spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva respimat does not replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva respimat. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops.
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♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. (dad) she's all yours. (vo) but you get to keep the memories. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. you've come a long way, maybe. good sunday morning to you. i am ari melbar in for steve kornacki. we're taking a look at how the women in this race for president are actually driving the conversations. we'll have more on how voters
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feel about the field. new msnbc poll out this morning. we have those numbers for you coming up. bernie sanders has scheduled a surprising campaign stop at the conservative university founded by jerry falwell. we'll be diving into exactly what that means and bring you nbc's interview with james blake as the former u.s. tennis star talks about being on the wrong side of the law in new york city. massive and rapidly growing california wildfires lenning thousands of homes. tough story out there. we want to begin with the biggest game of the year on the iowa gridiron. big opportunity for some of the names in the race for the republican nomination. katy tur was on the trail with some of the candidate. >> super bowl of iowa college football, iowa versus iowa state. the drama on the field was rivalled by the political mud slinging on the campaign trail. from here in ames at the
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tailgate with rand paul. >> we're going to make sure everybody in america knows donald trump, you're a fake. >> to carly fiorina. >> donald trump is an entertainer and i think i am a leader. >> taking aim at the billionaire in an effort to bolster their own standing. summer may be over and with it the silly season. but the race is showing no signs of growing up as policy continues to take a backseat to insults, sharp tone spearheaded by donald trump. >> someone will attack, someone like rand paul. >> all the attention was on him, rally in boone, then the tailgate. >> football game is serious. >> the football game is serious. none of this stuff is not. >> i think he has the right ideas and will steer the country in the right direction. >> also at the game marco rubio. >> people want leaders that know what life is like in the real
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world and have ideas of how to get through it. >> scott walker, famously confident for staying in his backyard. the governor now canceling events in california to refocus on the state. so far an uphill battle for him and the other veteran politicians as poll voters continue to reject the status quo. >> it says they're looking for an outsider. it does say that. no question about it. on everyone's mind the debate on wednesday. just what will trump say or his opponents say to take him down a notch with rick perry out, the field is narrowing and the need to make a splash, and a big splash, is becoming more immediate for a lot of candidates we'll see on stage wednesday. ari? >> thanks to katy tur for that report. we take a lk the how women and even women's issues are driving this campaign season.
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despite some waivering numbers hillary clinton is still the democratic front-runner and the one to beat for the nomination. she is also publicly embracing her gender more on the campaign trail. >> i've got to tell you, when i talk about equal pay for equal work and some of these issues that really affect a lot of working women, the republicans often say, there she goes, playing the gender card. well, if advocating for equal pay, for equal work is playing the gender card, deal me in. i am ready to play. >> on the republican side, meanwhile, carly fiorina seeing a bump in her poll numbers. the only gop candidate to go from that kids' table debate to the main stage. she will join all of the men -- no other way to say it -- on the debate wednesday. on the other side of the ledger,
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as these women excel, we see trump. entire summer of trump. throughout he has made repeated and sexist attacks toward women. the most recent one was directed at his rival carly fiorina saying, quote, look at her face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that, the face of our next president? end quote. fiorina responded with this. >> ladies, look at this face. this is the face of a 61-year-old woman. i am proud of every year and every wrinkle. >> it's not just his rivals, though. trump also made these types of comments about rosie o'donnell, heidi klum, reporter megyn kelly and carly fiorina. trump's support is rising among republican women. he is up 13 points amongst women despite these types of attacks.
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joining me to discuss, vice president of emily's list, organization devoted to electing women to office and kay bailey hut hutchison. senator, let me start with you. you have a choice in this race. you also have your record of serving in the senate and in the republican party. what do you think of what donald trump is doing? do you think it is sexist? >> well, first of all, let me say that i haven't made a formal endorsement on the republican side. but i do like jeb bush very much. but i like others as well. and i think carly fiorina is -- >> we're always interested in the news. when we spoke in march you were attending a jeb bush fund-raiser. a lot of people did read that as an endorsement. you're not endorsing him officially? >> not officially. i worked with him at nbc, cnbc and others and i like several in the race, including jeb bush,
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absolutely. >> we'll call the bush campaign and make sure that they know you are friendly but not formal. what do you think, is trump being sexist? >> i think the things that he is saying that are personal attacks are not a part -- should not be a part of a presidential campaign. personal attacks on other people and when you attack someone's appearance, that's really off bounds. i never heard a campaign or saw a campaign ad from the past that said, look at abraham lincoln's face. would you vote for this face for president? we have had a lot of unattractive presidents. but it's substance. it's leadership that counts. and we need to get back to that. >> do you think he said it because she is a woman? >> i think appearance seems to be an area where people do address women in a different way. if i can give you one tiny
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example, when i was running for my first race, i let a news reporter ride in the car with me for the day. and i was combing my hair in the car and talking about gosh, i wonder what kind of turnout we'll have at the next event. and he wrote, she was primping and fretting. really? >> wow! >> would he have said that about my male opponents? he was primping when he was combing his hair? those are the kinds of things i think we have to really stop in politics. >> i want to play jeb bush discussing these attacks in carly fiorina. take a listen. >> this disparaging of women is deeply troubling. it doesn't make any sense to me. carly fiorina has made a good contribution already and will continue to make a contribution in this nomination process. she should be respected as a talented person and viable
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candidate. >> jess, what do you think of this sort of split we're starting to see in the republican party revolving around what many think shouldn't be an issue at all, whether all the candidates can be treated respectfully and not discriminated upon? >> i don't know that this was the primary they were expecting or even that they deserve. donald trump is leading while making these increasingly outlandish -- he is the biggest misog misogynist ever running for president. jeb bush calling him out now. he has been called low energy for so long that he wants to fight back. he wasn't there when trump started this stuff and frankly his agenda, vis-a-vis women is
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just as, frankly, insulting as some of these comments are. that's where i think women voters will be looking at this field. this is an extreme republican fiel field. >> one of the problems that trump has had -- i want to play something from "the view" is that he seems to come out of a world where he is not accustomed to being challenged by women reporters or women in business. >> right. >> he does seem uncomfortable with it. the way he singled out megyn kelly when, of course, other fox news hosts were also tough on him in the debate. ironically or perhaps fittingly, he was asking about his prior misogynistic comments. >> what is your message to women? >> i cherish women, will take
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care of women and have great respect for women. >> you're not against defunding planned parenthood, am i hearing that? >> i am against abortion and -- >> wait a second. >> joy, that is a tremendous amount of the work they do. >> no, it's not. >> donald, as we go into the rest of this run, you've got to get a little bit more informed on what's going on in women's issue. >> i think i am very well informed. >> no, baby, i swear to you -- i swear to you, donald, you are misinformed here. >> jessica, in terms of the people who sort of moderate and referee these elections, it seems important that there are a lot more prominent women, whether on "the view," fox or anywhere, to help deal with someone who is ahead in the polls but consistently making these kind of comments. >> yes. >> it's a good thing there are more women in journalism. and i think you're seeing it move that way. but this is exactly what the republican party did not want to
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have happen even four years ago. we've seen senate candidates crash and burn when they've said things about rape and things, too. when he's talking this way about women and even -- he has even seemed to insinuate things he said about his own daughter, if she wasn't my daughter, i would date her. past divorces, that maybe they -- different things about that. it's exactly the way you don't want them to be talked about. it's good we have more women reporters, moderators out there that can challenge this and call it out. >> senator hutchison, going back and looking forward to a debate with carly being on that stage for the first time what do you want to see from all the candidates? should this line in the sand be held by all of them against trump, to try to reform him or sort of rescue a dialogue that, as jess mcintosh was saying, was
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the kind of primary race republicans want to have? >> having so many candidates, people are trying to stand out and try to make a difference so that they can be in the upper level of the polls and get into a real race. but the way you do this, you start talking about the issues that people care about. and our country has real problems in our foreign policy, our national security is an issue that should be addressed. and, most certainly, our economics. the job creation opportunities are not being met in this country right now because of over regulation and over taxation and just an emphasis on a bigger government. what we need is to talk about that in a debate so we aren't talking about how people look, how they're acting or whether there's an entertainment factor. >> former senator kay bailey hutchison, and jess mcintosh, appreciate your time. >> thanks. >> fast-moving wildfires
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as promised we now turn to those big msnbc polls we promised to show you. reassuring sunday morning over at hillary clinton's brooklyn headquarters? 75% of democrats surveyed telling our pollsters -- this is from msnbc, telemundo and marist college, that overall they feel positive about the former secretary of state, 13% neutral
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and 11% saying they hold a negative view of her. latino voters, quite a contrast from her democratic candidate, bernie sanders, who has often been criticized for the way he appeals to minority voters. when latinos are asked about benchy sanders only 18% have a positive feeling, 21% neutral and fewer than half of those hold positive feelings toward the vermont candidate. 28% saying generally they still don't know who he is. director at the marist institute of public opinion who conducted this very poll. the perfect person to be here. we're honored to have you. jessica taylor from npr, still with us at the table. this is like super bowl type stuff for people who are junkies. >> absolutely. >> what jumps out to you from the democratic race? what we hear over and over is,
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yes, there's hillary drama. no, she's not a perfect candidate. no, she's no bill clinton. but the media political washington echo chamber around hillary clinton's supposed problems are separate from where she is with democrats. does your poll show that? >> absolutely. democrats, first of all, are pretty positive to hillary clinton, bernie sanders and joe biden, should he get in. hillary has lost that inevitability standpoint with the surge of bernie sanders on the seen but favorably seen by democrats. bernie sanders still not as well known as you saw in some of these numbers you just showed in this latest msnbc/telemundo/m
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msnbc/telemundo/marist poll. the more he is known and the places he is better known, the better off he is. and that is a danger for -- >> reporter: on the bernie sanders point there's how you're known and how you're introduced. the clinton campaign has clearly made not to name him, not to go after him. yet they could. you think about the weeks spent about whether dodge trump was a real republican and would support the nominee. you have bernie sanders now taking a lead in some polls both in iowa about new hampshire. wret for a partisan audience, this is someone who is not a member of the party of whose nomination he speaks. >> hillary clinton clearly wants the energy of the democratic party. and bernie sanders appeals to the core democratic energy. he doesn't appeal to african-americans or latinos and that, to hillary clinton's benefit -- >> to gr interrupt you, is it democratic energy or liberal policy energy? >> first from the liberal policy agenda. that's where the democrats have
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sort of reached out and grabbed that wing of the democratic party. place like iowa, democratic caucus, will be an intense support to whoever they like the best. clinton is not that great in iowa typically. as bernie sanders gets better known there's a good chance he could actually do in iowa what he may do in new hampshire. that's why the clintons are setting up this so-called fire wall for policying new hampshire where they can then have more minorities. >> you don't need to be a political expert to remember that the clinton campaign had a so-called fire wall in 2008. >> the trouble with building firewalls is when you announce you're doing a firewall, like when you announce you're going to be more spontaneous, that's sort of the sign -- worst thing in politics is the only poll that counts is the one on election day. this shows you have some worry emerging in your campaign. >> jessica, i want to get your take on this.
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hillary versus rubio, 50-44. versus trump, 53-40. if you listen to the conservative conversation they feel she is not only weak but embarrassingly so. there is a belief she will be destroyed. does your polling show that? >> no, no. look, demography of the national electorate has been moving increasingly toward the democratic side. when you drill down, you have to look at the latino population. republicans got hurt badly on in 2012 with mitt romney. republicans are even carrying fewer latinos and especially donald trump against people like hillary clinton than mitt romney did against barack obama last time. >> when you get down to those latino numbers, the most interesting thing to me is you have jeb bush and marco rubio
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that are doing best among latino voters. bush has tried to hammer home, probably needs to do a little bit more so. he is the candidate that can win this. he has been the most moderate on immigration. that doesn't endear him to primary voters it makes him a better general election candidate. marco rubio, same thing. he can speak to their concerns in a way that donald trump, especially, can't. >> and last question, you and your folks call a lot of people at home all election season. one thing our viewers want to know, can they get your home telephone number so they can call you? >> absolutely. >> any time you want with political collections. >> did you say home or office? >> home number. >> i would give the home number but i would be happy to give my cell. >> did donald trump give out your cell? >> 7264. >> there you go. >> two land slide. >> that's how you remember? >> but our office number is
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845-755-5050. that's why we're polling. >> this is a politics show. viewers may take you up on that. last thing and we've got to go. >> biggest number in all of this, 70% of latinos negative reports donald trump. when he says -- the phone calls starting. when he says they love me, 70% say not so. >> right. reminds me of what jay-z says, men lie, women lie. numbers don't lie. lee, as always, thanks for being here. hillary clinton's poll numbers do drop a little bit. will the democrats need any kind of bap backup plan, any alternative? and who would they choose? evacuations in those fast-moving wildfires engulfing california, threatening thousands of homes. we have an update. stay with us. now just sign & go. with zero down... zero due at signing... and zero first month's payment...
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wildfires are now ripping through lake county, california. this has been all weekend, forcing thousands of residents to evacuate their homes, sending four firefighters to the hospital with burns, in middletown, california, overnight. that is where nbc's gadi schwartz is this morning. what is the latest? >> reporter: ari, i don't know if you can tell. it's starting to rain out here. odd turn of events. this rain is actually caused by the smoke plume going up. you can see there's still fire burning over here. just a little while ago, that was a row of houses just beyond it. there was a duplex. all of those have been complete were going off over there. spewing off its gas as it started to vent. really bad news out here, the entire town has lost all the water in their hydrants.
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it's run out. the strike teams are waiting for reinforcements to come in. it's up to them to make sure embers don't flare up and these embers catch up with in trees. a lot of homes lost here in middletown, california. ari? >> i'm seeing the glow of the fires behind you there. how close are you and the firefighters getting to the edge of this and how containable is it at this point? >> it's not containable. this thing is not contained at all. we're hearing it's 40,000 acres moving very, very quickly. it's hard to see in the dark but there's fire that way, there's fire that way. basically we're surrounded by fire. what you're seeing right here is nothing. this is stuff that you can walk up to and firefighters are really monitoring. if you saw some of the video from last night, you saw blocks and blocks completely going up in flames. that's the dangerous stuff. that's the stuff where firefighters can get hurt. >> we've been monitoring all of that and seeing all that footage. thank you for your reporting.
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obviously, please stay safe. we'll turn to a story we've been covering this weekend. former tennis pro james blake was mistakenly identified as a suspect. rough takedown and lot of fallout for that. kristen dahlgren caught up with blake yesterday. >> reporter: for former tennis star james blake, watching the video is still difficult. >> i didn't even realize it until i hit the ground that it wasn't a friendly encounter. first words out of my mouth were i'm 100% cooperating. his first words were put your face down, turn over and put your hands behind your back. >> reporter: outside a manhattan hotel wednesday when he was taken down hard. >> i don't know what a normal line backer tackle would be but there's some nfl guys that are probably pretty proud of him. >> reporter: handcuffed for ten minutes before police, searching for a suspect in a credit card theft ring realized they had the
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wrong guy. >> it's really infuriating to know i was in such a vulnerable position, was taken advantage of by someone who wears the nypd badge and, in my opinion, tarnishes that badge. >> reporter: the officer is now on modified duty, awaiting an investigation. he was already facing two pending excessive force lawsuits. >> makes me wonder why he was out on the street, given this position to begin with. it was completely unnecessary whether is with a criminal or not. that's the bigger issue right now, correcting that kind of behavior. >> both new york mayor bill diblasio and william bratton have personally apologized. >> is that enough? >> no, it's not enough. i appreciate it. it's a nice gesture. >> the city has invested almost $29 million to retrain uniform service members when dealing with the community. they've agreed to meet with
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blake, who says he is considering a lawsuit if that's what it takes to make a difference. >> because this happened to me, it can happen to anyone. and we can't let that keep happening. >> reporter: kristen dahlgren, nbc news, new york. >> thanks to kristen for that report. still ahead, the drama on the tennis court at the u.s. open. surprising announcement that came at the end of what many are calling one of the most unlikely finals in all of tennis history. if hillary clinton is so strong as lee was just telling us from the new polling, why are some senior democrats still trying to come up with a backup plan b? we're going to find out right after the break. (ding) read text. (siri voice) adam, i'm sorry. i shouldn't have said that about your hair. it's not stupid. (ding) find hair salon. wow. yeah, that's right. (siri voice) ok, jack's boutique is nearby. alright, i've got another friend and his name is bryan adams. ok. this isn't going to work again. ♪"please forgive me, i know not what i do..."♪ introducing app-connect. the things you love on your phone,
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a report in the "new york times." there has been an unexpected ground swell of support out in the field for bernie sanders this summer. those same party officials still believe sanders won't be the nominee. there are a lot of reasons for that. a more familiar name might make for a backup plan. having that plan is one thing. breaking the glass to use it, entirely another. turning back to the panel, we were talking about those new msnbc numbers. and the clinton support is strong, he says. if anything, it's in marked contrast to the media discussion, the washington political discussion around all these e-mails. having said that you must admit there are people, and they are not nobodies, and they are talking about who might be an alternative. joe biden or other. >> listen, i'm all in favor of competition. it's gad for spo -- good for sp.
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it's good for business. withering attacks. how is hillary clinton handling this? i'll tell you how she's handling it. she's maintaining support in the face of unbelievable onslaught. look, i want a democrat in the white house. i don't -- frankly, if it's hillary, great. if it's somebody else, great. i want a democrat in the white house. right now she remains the str g strongest candidate. it's not hard to find nervous nellies in the democratic party. i'm saying this as a democrat. >> she has folks with her, the bedwetter thing. it doesn't wash. this is not just random nervousness. this is six months of her getting a clean shot and at the base level there being enthusiasm for iowa -- excuse me, bernie sanders in the place it matters most, iowa and new hampshire. and the comparison is the reason why people don't say necessarily
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it's going to be bernie, the comparison is 68. 68 race featured late entry of a big democratic contender, robert kennedy. because of the opening illustrated by gene mcargumenty's early success. similarly, today's race is overshadowed by the speculation that vice president joe biden might jump in lured in partly because of the possibilities suggested by mr. sanders. >> clinton and biden sort of occupy the same ideological space. it's hard to see a lot of bernie supporters, if biden gets in, i'm going to go to him. he has the progressive left of very enthusiastic progressive left behind him. if biden gets in, you have some people that if they aren't all the way on the clinton band wagon or if she does start to have more problems going on -- she is strong in that poll. if you look at where she was when she started to where she is
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now, you're seeing the difference. that's why you're seeing democrats nervous. could it be de ja vu again in iowa where she didn't just finish second but finished third? >> joe, everyone talks about the sanders thing is this liberal side thing. what kind of ticket would you have? >> not literally but a biden/sanders type ticket would go to the idea there's an electoral concern with her and policy concern with the base that sanders fixes. is that something you have to worry about? >> you always have to worry about it. what really matters is what the voters do on the actual days. days of the election. saying you're hoping and praying bernie sanders is our nominee. i'm not saying that. >> a socialist. >> all i'm saying is that bernie sanders does have a pretty strong following and is surging right now. >> absolutely. >> speaking to the same elements of the democratic party that the republicans are finding in the
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republican party, people who are angry, feel really disenfranchised, feel like they've been talked to nicely by elected officials but are not getting anywhere. >> i'm going to do this all morning. these donuts have been sitting in front of me. i'm going to give half to my friend and republican. >> i want three-quarters. >> this is a 50/50 split. this is for donald trump and i'm keeping this for bernie sanders. cheers. >> cheers to you. >> there's plenty of anger on both parties, plenty of people in both parties are disillusioned with the establishment, disillusioned with the choices. that moment of truth when you're private in the voting booth and have to decide who do i want to led my country? that is a much different dynamic. we can talk about what happens in iowa and new hampshire. it is a long game here. i do think -- >> look at the changes -- >> we're going to talk more bernie sanders and have to toast to that. we'll take a quick break.
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rosh hashana starts tonight. bernie sanders, the only jewish candidate, is spending his rosh hashana at liberty university, conservative christian university known especially for its founder, jerry falwell. he will give an address there and release aid statement about this, saying it goes without saying, my views on many issues, women's rights, gay rights, education and many other issues are very different from some in the liberty university community, he says. but i think it's important to see if we can reach consensus regarding the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality in our country, the collapse of middle class, high level of childhood poverty, climate change and other issues.
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it is a stop typically for republican candidates. you may remember ted cruz actually launched his campaign in march here. it's also where jeb bush delivered a commencement speech in may. vice president biden, hillary clinton have been invited and declined to speak at liberty. it has cut ties to its campus democratic group. in the 2000 campaign, john mccain called that school's founder, jerry falwell, now deceased, one of the political, quote, agents of intolerance corrupting the republican party. later mccain also made amends with the school and he went there, delivering a commencement address six years after that intolerance comment. now will bernie sanders' trip to liberty help or hurt his campaign? does he risk alienating his own supporters, appealing to a very socially conservative stomping ground? political reporter perry bacon
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jr. good day, perry. i want to start with the obvious question here. why is bernie sanders going to make a political appeal to a place that, at one point, was too intolerant and conservative for even republican john mccain? >> you know, i would say that a couple of things. first of all, john mccain made the comment in 2000. jerry falwell ran university then. his son runs it now. i would argue that gay rights issue and the gay marriage population to the university is less relevant and less offensive to people because gay marriage is now legal around the country. democrats have arguably won the argument. it's a different contest. as sanders noted he said he was invited. he's going. he told us publicly he disagrees with them on gay rights. he will give the same speech he has every way. i don't know that there will be a backlash.
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he went from like zero to 40%, ahead of hillary clinton everywhere right now. he has done pretty well. i'm not going to question his strategy too much. >> i'm not questioning the political strategy but raising the question of if republicans are going to face criticism, especially historically from liberals, for making this kind of common cause. let me bring in david. should the same set of questions be made here? to drill down on -- perry makes an important distinction. it's not just whether you go or not. we have an open society and encourage dialogue. do you go and make sure that you stand by your beliefs? >> absolutely. >> or as perry is predicting, is it going to be a strong speech, which means sanders taking his views there? or if he does less than that, does he open up the criticism he's softening? >> part of his support comes from the fact that he's unapologetically progressive. 99% of what comes out of his mouth i find personally appealing. tomorrow is rosh hashana.
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i tell my kids you have to come with me to services because sandy cofax missed a game in the world series to go to services. you stick with your principles and your faith. it's a little odd quite frankly that he's giving a speech on rosh hashana at a christian university. where your faith basics, bernie? come on. you couldn't do it the next day? >> you have to give him credit for speaking to all americans. america is changing as a country. we are a much bigger tent than we once were. if he's going to be president of the united states, as he hopes to be, he will be president for all the people, protestants, catholics, jews, muslims, ae. theists and buddhists. i have to really give him kudos for being so brave to speak at a christian university that may not like his views, especially
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on rosh hashana. >> he doesn't discuss faith that much, as is his right, perry. do you expect him to delve into faith at this address? >> i don't know. he rarely expresses anything beyond income inequality, to be honest with you. very equality, to be honest with you. that's fine, he's a very one candidate in some ways. he talks about where he disagrees with the university, particularly on gay rights, on same-sex marriage. i've not heard him discuss -- i'm not an expert on ros rosh hoshana, but i've not heard him speak about being jewish. he's doing very well among whites, among liberals. he's not doing very well among moderate, conservative democrats. those groups tend to be more
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non-religious. >> if he sub tracts, anything, for example, to support gay marriage or gay rights which no one expects, that would draw a lot of criticism. if he stands on his principles and gives the same speech, i don't know what the point was. if he does this and adds and we learn a new side of him, that could be fascinating, which is why we wanted to do the preview. harry bacon, thanks for joining us. we asked you earlier in the hour, should we play this amazing video of these bears on the hammock struggling with it kind of like human beings, as we were discussing. we asked should we play it? we held an on-line poll of sorts. we'll let you know when we get back -- bear with us -- whether you're seeing the on-lyon video or not. please don't read anything to it playing right now. we'll be right back. now that's a full weekend.
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we held a poll and people said play the bear video again. >> there's so much to work with here. there's a family, right? but where's the dad? we really have mom as the strong one. >> she's the strong one. >> i think the national zoo clearly should put a hammock up in the bear den. >> i don't see why not. it just shows that animals and humans can do the same things, and that's something we should explore. i want to get to the u.s. open. flavio pennetta wins. being seeded number one doesn't mean number one until you play, right? >> it comes to the day when you compete. serena has got to be the greatest tennis player, male or female, in recent memory. she was so outstanding. i was so sorry to see her not win.
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>> what about flavio pennetta retiring after the win? >> that's news. >> what about going on top? what about that? >> there is something to be said for that. if you achieve that and if there is nothing else to do, she seems pretty content with that. >> i always want to say that when it comes to the sport of tennis, it really is one sport where women's competition and men's competition is about as deep as you can get. there are two competitors facing head to head for three hours or more. the amount of resolve it takes to pull that off is incredible. the president usually stays in the waldorf astoria when he comes to new york for the big meeting. he's not. and the big reason, it looks like, is one of the chinese investors tied to the beijing government has bought it. i'm surprised this hasn't come up on the campaign trail. what do you mean we have to worry about where our president
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stays on our home country turf because these chinese businesses, some of them, allegedly were very close with the government on all sorts of nefarious espionage? >> i'm going to draw a line to the iran agreement, but now that that is behind us, we had to hold our tongue a lot with russia, with china. we needed them on board. now we should expect to hear more explicit criticism of our government. thank you for all your commentary on tennis. jessica taylor, appreciate it. thanks for getting up with us today on "up with steve kornacki." we posted some new donut pics from backstage there. up next, melissa harris-perry. we'll leave the donuts. stay tuned for her. ♪
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