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with the very tall mayor bill deblasio. good evening, ari. >> rachel has the night off. tonight we're covering big news in the bernie sanders campaign. the release of that long awaited report on policing in ferguson, missouri, and the biggest thing happening in presidential politics in the last hour, as you may know by now and the biggest crowd for any republican then past week was the huge trump wally in dallas. we're talking 20,000 people at the american airlines center, the giant raen where the dallas mavericks play. trump spoke with his characteristic improvisation riffing about today's news that arnold schwarzenegger will replace him on the "apprentice" and what the scaffolding will look like at his inauguration last year and he called out his rivals by name sassing bush and rubio about a new trump lead in florida and his penchant for controversial comments. >> i have to say, we're going to have so many victories that at some point, they're going to be coming out of your ears.
now, i have to be careful what i say about coming out of somebody's ears. i have to be careful. nose, ears, eyes, those are the only places i'm talking about. >> we're winning in florida. think of it. you have jeb bush, governor of florida. you have a sitting senator in florida. marco rubio. and the poll comes out the other day, trump is leading in florida. [ applause ] can you imagine? big lead. how about this? have you ever heard of the great state of texas? leading in texas. how does that happen? i'm surging with women. can you believe it?
i have such respect for women, i cherish women. i'm going to take such good care of women's health care issues. you won't even believe it. but i'm surging with women. >> whether or not you believe that and whether or not you think trump gets too much coverage or gets a free pass for it too many questionable statements, there's no denying as a factual matter right now his polling is only improving as the fall campaign season arrives. he has a 13-point lead in today's new "washington post" abc poll besting ben carson's 20%. establishment favored jeb bush is essentially in nonestablishment territory down at about 7%. there's no national primary. sometimes the more relevant of -- trump leads in iowa according to an internet poll of iowa republicans, also new
hampshire and south carolina in that same web poll. trump always sounds like he is the top dog. if you listen tonight, there's a larger share of republican voters and leaders who seem to really be treating him now as the front-runner. that was evident in tonight's event in deep red texas. so that is the trump show as it stands. there's also though as we mentioned at the top of the hour big news on the democratic side tonight. hillary clinton remains still to many the presumed front-runner. but that new round of polls that brought good news for trump brought worrying news for her. she does remain in that number one spot nationally among democrats. that's the same "washington post" poll but her lead is slipping particularly among women voters. in july, 71% of left leaning fee may voters said they would vote for hillary clinton. wasn't seen as a surprise then. today, that proportion has dropped to 42% securing the female vote has been one of the lynch pins of her campaign strategy over the last few days. she's headlining women for
hillary events in new hampshire and wisconsin and had one today in iowa. in those same polls cbs news web surveys you see her losing to bernie sanders in both iowa and new hampshire. sure, it is early and polls are just one way of demming a candidate's status in the race. but the energy in this race seems to be moving towards bernie sanders. tonight, this is just a short time ago, he spoke to a huge crowd in manassas, virginia. >> manassas, thank you. what a great turnout. four and a half months ago, we began then campaign and some of the media was saying, well, you know, you got the senator from a small state. he's a fringe candidate because nobody in america really thinks that the american people are prepared to take on the
billionaire class. well, it turns out that in virginia, in the west coast, in the midwest in, new england, it turns out people are prepared to take on the billionaire class. >> bernie sanders in virginia tonight sounding confident. the bernie sanders for president campaign is also making aggressive moves in terms of hiring new staff. they're looking to hire campaign coordinators for when? for super tuesday states on march 1st. candidates they say must have a good sense of humor and strong commitment to the ideals of the bern a 2016 campaign. so sand serious right now bulking up his campaign infrastructure for a long delegate hunt out to super tuesday and he's going to places around the country that democratic candidates for president often wouldn't go, especially this early. before that event tonight in manassas, he spoke to a crowd
today of 12,000 people at liberty university in virginia. if you follow politics, you'll remember that name. that is the university of course, founded by the famed tell evangelist jerry falwell. bernie went there today to deliver his message. >> i believe in women's rights. [ applause ] and the right of a woman who control her own body. i believe inch gay rights and gay marriage. >> the applause you could hear on that tape came mostly from a very small group of sanders supporters that trekked out to liberty and they were there in the front of that very large auditorium. sanders in his remarks today knew he was reaching out to a predominantly unreceptive audience. nonetheless, tried to bridge the gap, positioning his well-known
economic populism within a religious tradition. >> i say this as somebody whose voice is hoarse because i have given dozens of speeches in the last few months. it is easy to go out and talk to people who agree with you. i was in greensboro, north carolina, just last night. all right. we had 9,000 people out. mostly they agreed with me and tonight, we're going to be in manassas and thousands out and they agree with me. that's not hard to do. but it is harder, but not less important, for us to try and communicate with those who do not agree with us on every issue. [ applause ] >> that is what bernie sanders looked like on offense today. many clinton backers are worried she seems something more like stuck income neutral campaign aides is calling iowa backers
reassuring them they have a long-time strategy. but clinton herself is striking more assertive notes on the trial and debuted her own snl style impression of donald trump on the trail today. >> i have to admit, donald trump is entertaining. i have to tell you. i really do. i really do find it entertaining. and you know, i kind of wish i had that same sort of mentality like, oh, listen, i don't need to tell you anything. when i get there, peace will be breaking out everywhere. prosperity will be raining down upon you. we will have the new age. well, i would like to do that. but i don't think that's how a great democracy makes its decisions about who's going to lead us. >> joining us now is e.j. dionne, columnist for the "washington post" and msnbc contributor. geek to you. what effect are we seeing here in the trump and bernie surges on the rest of the field, particularly hillary? >> good to be with you, ari.
tonight you saw a really interesting contrast. there are a lot of people who say trump and bernie are both kind of the same, both outsider protest candidates. here are you donald trump who spent the first half hour of his speech talking about himself, talking about his contract and arnold schwarzenegger taking his old job and all that stuff. then you had bernie sanders go to liberty university, he quotes the prophet amos, he quotes the gospel of matthew talking about wanting to to treat others the way they treat you. it was a totally different thing. they may both be drawing angry people, people mad about the status quo, but they're very different candidates. i know what he bernie did today was a great thing. i think the proposition he laid out there that people should talk to those they disagree with was very good and good for those liberty university kids probably most of whom are staunch republicans for giving him a
polite and sometimes enthusiastic response. and the last thing about what bernie did is this is a message bernie's jewish. this is a message that a lot of progressive christians have been giving for a long time which is look, there are disagreements on abortion and gay rights but there ought to be a lot more consensus on issues of social justice and economic justice and inequality. i'm not sure he converted any of the republicans there, but i suspect he got them thinking about issues that they didn't necessarily think about all the time. >> one of the i don't remember things that donald trump said today and somewhat of a critique of the press he said he has to keep revising his speech because he's always carried live on national television which none of the other candidates that happens to. bernie sanders has a pretty regular economic stump speech. what he did today was seed it with some of that scripture and moral argument. do you think that worked for him with this crowd or was he really
using this opportunity in civil discourse as you say to try to speak to persuade bes beyond liberty university? >> first of all, bernie sanders knows he doesn't run simultaneously on two cable network the way donald trump does. so this is a genuinely interesting thing to doing that clearly got some news coverage. but i thought he did do some interesting rifs here. the one that grabbed me the most was when he talked about family values, noted that he has seven grandkids that he believes in family values. but then he said basically if you believe in family values, shouldn't you be for family leave which every major rich country in the world has except us? and that's a kind of argument that il thip more people need to make to religious audiences because i think you know, as a gut issue, i think most people think that new parents ought to spend time with their kids. that's not a liberal issue. i think bernie made it sound not
like a liberal issue but like a consensus and a compassion issue and a family issue. >> and what does it say to you though when you think about whatever the so-called conservative religious vote is, what does it say that donald trump seems to be doing just fine among those voters at this point? >> donald trump is getting a share of almost every republican constituenty including religious people. he's not doing exceptionally well or badly. when you look at ben carson and why he has climbed in the polls, i think he's kind of the alternative for trump among conservatives looking for an outsider because he is a genuinely and deeply religious man where trump is flamboyant and full of himself, you know, ben carson is quiet and thoughtful looking even though he sometimes says some crazy things about president obama and obamacare. it's a real contrast. i think as this campaign goes down the road, you're going to see trump doing not as well with
religious conservatives and carson doing better. i think that's that competition and trump knows it is there which is why he probably started taking shots at ben carson. >> carson and trump, of course, exchanging more words. everything j. deon everyone msnbc as well as "the washington post," thanks for your time. bernie sanders will be rachel's guest right here on thursday night. that's a conversation you don't want to miss between the two of them. we have lots more ahead including the exclusive interview with the woman who helped two convicted murderers escape from prison and craziest political moment of the day which has nothing to do, i promise, with donald trump. we have a big show tonight. please stay with us.
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they won't. they won't. >> donald trump speaking tonight at that large rally in dallas. that was just within the last hour. trump has been sparring with his rivals carly fiorina and ben carson. while he says they're not surging, we do have evidence to the contrary tonight. more on that in a minute. here is the thing about trump's insults. throughout this campaign he has found ways to either single out jeb bush, his establishment foil, or punch down at these truly marginal candidates so he would knock people like lindsey graham and rick perry. you could call them sort of the 1 percenters not because of their economic policies but because they're literally landing at 1% in the polls. but that is changing in terms of trump's style. he's now picking fights with people who are not only surging but people who, unlike jeb, are improving in the polls and appeal to voters in this conservative anti-washington lane that trump wants to own. so that's what's so polically notable about his new attacks on
a man on trump's heels in iowa there, dr. ben carson, as well as trump's sexist and withering remarks about the only republican to move up onto the main debate stage this week, carly fiorina. trump's attack on carly began last week when rolling stone published an article quoting him saying that fiorina's face could never be the face of a president. you have probably heard about that one because trump faced non-stop criticism for it since the article was published. just like his damage control after attacking megyn kelly, he is quick to explain that anyone who thinks these remarks are sexist is just misinterpreting him. >> there's a story out today in "rolling stone," apparently a fellow by the name of paul followed you around for a couple of days, and he says, he writes that after the rally in new hampshire, you all were watching the tv around the conference table on the airplane when you said this looking at carly fiorina on the tv.
said, look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that, the face of our next president? i mean, she's a woman. i'm not supposed to say bad things, but really folks, come on. are we serious? so that's what they're quoting you as saying. what would you like to say about that? >> probably i did say something like that about carly. i'm talking about persona. i'm not talking about look. although when i get criticized for my hair which isn't that bad, you know me. but when i get criticized constantly about my hair, nobody does a story about isn't that terrible they criticized donald trump's hair. the fact is i probably did say that about carly or something about -- in a jocular manner. >> don't hang up. you talked about carly fiorina in "rolling stone" magazine. you said look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that the face of our next president? are you making fun of her looks? >> no. i'm talking about the persona. >> look at that face. why would anyone vote for that. really, folks, come on, are we
serious. that's not about persona. >> i'm talking persona. >> how? where is persona in there? >> that's tit-for-tat. >> you know me well enough, it is my hair. >> that was last week. this was still an issue as of yesterday. >> let me ask you as a business question, not a -- not a political correctness politics question. how would you expect the human resources department to handle that if an executive at your company was heard saying that about a woman employee? what would you expect? >> first of all i was talking about her persona. she had tremendously you could call it bad luck. you could call it she did a bad job but hewlett-packard was a disaster. to be honest with you, the problem we have is we're so politically correct that we can't get out of our way. people make statements and all of a sudden the statements, that's a big deal. >> this is the trump m.o. we know this. he hurls attention-grabbing insult potentially demeaning someone's gender or identity,
who knows what. and then he says that people misunderstood him. after all that he will go in and impugn any remaining critics saying, hey, everyone is too sensitive nowadays and being nice is overrated. >> number one, i think i am a nice person. i help people. a woman came up to me, she said to me, are you nice enough to be president? i said i hope i am. i think i'm a nice person. i have great relationships. but i think this is going to be an election based on competence. we need competence. enough with the niceness. this country is in bad trouble. we need competence. i have said it to a lot of people, monica. this is going to be an election based on competence. enough with the nice. >> enough with the nice. >> you know who agrees with that today? >> carly fiorina. her super pac released an ad seizing on trump's remarks and taking him on. >> ladies, look at this face.
and look at all of your faces. the face of leadership. the face of leadership in our party, the party of women's suffrage. we are not a special interest group. we are the majority of the nation. [ cheers and applause ] >> this is the face of a 61-year-old woman. i am proud of every year and every wrinkle. >> are we seeing a prelude to what is to come this week in the debate? joining us is katie packer gage. deputy campaign manager of mitt romney's campaign, a political strategist. good evening to you. >> hi, how are you? >> doing well. i got to tell you, that's a pretty good ad. your thoughts on the ad and what carly is doing going into wednesday's debate? >> i think carly has struck just the right tone. i am not in a camp with any of the candidates but i think carly's approach has been great. this is a woman who is very,
very accomplished by any count. she is a cancer survivor. she is a woman who lost a child. i believe to a drug overdose. she has been through some pretty traumatic things in her life and i think she wears her face pretty well. i think the notion that donald trump was attacking her persona by mocking her face i think is laughable. i think donald trump is the one that needs help. you know, the way he reacts to these things is textbook donald trump. it's to try to push away and try to make like he is the one that's being persecuted when really he is the bully in this scenario. i think carly handled herself with a lot of grace and dignity in the face of that kind of bullying. >> based on your presentation -- presidential campaign experience, how does a campaign try to set up for its own moments in these kind of debates, especially when there are so many candidates and they know they have limited time? in that respect, what does carly and also ben carson, what do you
think is going on inside those campaigns now? >> i think carly will be looking for her moment. she worked very hard to fight her way into this prime-time debate. she found a place. i think she'll be looking to introduce herself to the american people and, you know, sort of leave a mark. she is going to show that she can go toe-to-toe not only with donald trump but with hillary clinton or whoever the democrats ultimately post up. i think all of these candidates are going to be trying to challenge the very personal attacks that donald trump has leveled against them and try to show that they've got the fight, they've got the energy. all of these candidates, virtually all of these candidates are more conservative on the issues than donald trump is, but right now there is, you know, a clamoring among voters for an outsider, somebody that's willing to take on washington, willing to take on the status quo. and these candidates are going to be looking for an opportunity. but in a debate with such limited time restrictions and so many candidates, it is going to be very, very hard. >> do you think the way this is
shaking out, though, that folks like carson and fiorina who are getting some attention are still at a disadvantage because they want the lane that trump is in. romney was traying at this point in the cycle and you guys still got the nomination. in that respect, do bush and kasich and rubio still have that? >> trump is at 25%, 30%, which means 70% to 75% of primary republican voters are not with him. all of that support is being diluted among 15, 16 candidates. until we start to see the field winnow a little bit, we'll continue to see donald trump as the frontrunner. it's very, very hard. when tv networks, with all due respect to msnbc, are breaking, can breaking news for a trump speech, they're not really doing that for any of the
other candidates. so it's very difficult for these candidates to get any kind of real exposure without spending millions of dollars for television advertising. while he's getting all kinds of free advertising on his own. so it's going to be a challenge for a while yet, until the field starts to narrow a bit. >> right. it's something we talk about, that there is 15-odd candidates. but you forget how that makes what in a normal race would be a tiny portion of the electorate look like the biggest lead ever. we'll see what happens if there are more dropouts. katie packer gage, thank you. >> thanks for having me. ahead a blockbuster report about race just a year after the ferguson demonstrations. we'll talk to one of the young commissioners trying to change the future there. later, a blunder down under. stay with us.
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they bring to the table a rich diversity of life experience and points of views. while they are clearly a diverse group, they are united by the shared passion to promote understanding, to hasten healing, to ensure equal opportunities in education and employment and to safeguard the civil rights of all of our citizens. >> missouri governor jay nixon picked those 16 people in the wake of the police shooting of michael brown in ferguson. he asked them to go beyond that case and look at the structural problems in policing crime and poverty. today the commission released its report. it's worth looking at why the commission was different in the first place. from the very day of governor nixon's announcement, it didn't actually look like a beltway commission of retirees or hacks, the usual grouping of people who are so decades-deep into the status quo that they are the least likely people to challenge the root causes of anything. this was different. and that may partly be because
of the grass-roots pressure and national media scrutiny. the commission because of all that, it included law enforcement and formal policy experts but also people beyond the establishment. new leaders from black churches and emerging street protesters. that may be why today's report even introduced itself as, quote, the people's report, not a typical commission report. that's why the commission was co-chaired by reverend starsky wilson, who spoke about his hope for fundamental change today. >> it is worth it for every citizen who is within the sound of our voices today and everyone who has clicked through the report today to take it seriously to find their place. to, sure, disagree with some things but to say that, of 189 recommendations, there are three that will change my life and will change my child's life, and so i will engage in that. so you do the work together. you do it with people you
disagree with. you commit to stay around the table. you listen to diverse voices, and you come to some common ground that is more than the lowest common denominator. and then you work hard. you work really hard to make it happen. >> here are a few of those 189 policy recommendations. they ask for a revision in what people, what citizens ask of police and what standards are used for force or incarceration. they also address one of the controversial parts of ferguson that drew bipartisan criticism at the time, the use of military-style weapons and tactics against public protest. so the commission calls for only proportional use of such materials. here are some other big recommendations. they call for assigning the attorney general as a special prosecutor in these controversial police use of force cases to establish a new database to track the use of force, to eliminate incarceration for minor or
non-violent local offenses and to assign public defenders for criminally charged minors and revise the state law on use of force against fleeing suspects which doesn't actually currently match streep court precedent. while the media spotlight on ferguson has certainly dimmed, in many ways today's news, the release of this work over the past year, of this report, is arguably just as important as anything that's taken place in ferguson over the past year. this is a slower process, slower than the protests but a process that many believe can change the community for years to come because it includes so many people who really are the community. on that list is the youngest member of the ferguson commission, 21-year-old rasheen aldridge. he led peaceful protests almost every day following the killing of michael brown and says he applied to be on the commission because he wanted young people to have their own voice. >> young people are tired of seeing themselves on tv laying down in the streets. mike brown could have been any one of us.
>> joining us now tonight for an interview, the committee organizer and activist and one of the commissioners on the ferguson commission. thanks for being here tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> in your view what's the most important thing coming out of this report that you worked on? >> i think the most important thing that is coming out of this report -- i mean, there are several things, as you know, as we look back on what happened on august 9th, the death of michael brown and the police reactions and the way the police have responded to communities for so long. we have -- the commission has looked and seen that it's bigger than just that. and we understand that it's bigger than just police violence. this is -- we're talking issues that have been embedded in our communities for too long. issues that have been embedded in communities across this nation that continues to not see is the same opportunity and not see the same resources that there are in other communities.
looking at the report, i do see several recommendations that really excites me. several ones like consolidating some of these municipal courts and getting rid of some of the police departments and making them smaller so they actually can do their job and can police the community and not have to write ticks -- tickets all day and not be a collection agency. also looking at our youth. our youth must thrive. there is a lot of positive recommendations around that around looking at the way that we're suspending a lot of young people, looking at the way that we are accrediting our schools. looking at the way young people are coming into this world. and even having a childhood saving account. there are a lot i could say are my favorite. honestly, these representdations should have happened a long time ago. that's what the community has said. they're the ones that put the recommendations forward. >> one of the big take aways is this report as well as the d.o.j. report traced the way that offenses which aren't
normally punished by jailtime, that is to say the government didn't intend for people to go to jail for them end up being jail time offenses. talk about how that's started to happen locally in ferguson. >> there has been a lot of work without this ferguson commission because we understand also as a commission this isn't the end all be all solution of change, but a lot of recommendations that have been put forward have been solutions and change and calling outs that people in the community have been asking for for a long time. this recent past year we've seen a huge change in the way the municipal courts are ran and the way that they are also handling people. but we still have a long way to go. >> yeah. >> but the attention that has been raised around it and the changes that have changed around senate bill 5 and actually digging deep in even the commission when we first started, the attorney general sued 13 municipalities that were acting out.
so change is happening but we understand it's not happening fast enough. >> briefly, rashean, was there a lot of discord and disagreement on the commission or not? >> several times here and there there was disagreement, you know. some people didn't believe that this should have been a recommendation, some people believed that this shouldn't have been a recommendation. at the end of the day we had to remember this wasn't about us. we wasn't called here to have a rasheen aldridge commission or a tracy blackmon commission. or a reverend stars ski commission. this was the ferguson commission that had to find issues for people, i mean had to find solutions for the people. so at the end of the day we had to remember this wasn't about us. i think we made that happen. it's been difficult but we have came a long way. we pushed through. and with the support of all the community, thousands of volunteer hours, we got a very healthy and people's recommendation, i believe. >> rasheen, thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> ahead the powerful nbc
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this past summer for several weeks in june america was transfixed by a man-hunt. new york state police, vermont police, the u.s. marshal's service the fbi and other authorities searched desperately for convicted murderers richard matt and david sweat. they managed that unlikely escape from a prison in new york. they used tools smuggled to them by a prison employee and then hacked and dug and sawed their way to free, tunneling directly through prison walls and steam pipes. they eventually reached a manhole cover in the street that was blocks away from the prison. that hollywoodesque escape kicked off that manhunt that lasted three weeks before richard matt was located and killed in a confrontation with authorities and two days later david sweat caught as well. the question remained, who helped them escape. during the search we learned investigators were focusing on a single prison employee in particular, joyce mitchell.
she had worked as a tailor at the prison. she was arrested and now pled guilty to smuggling in the very tools that helped that escape. rumors have been swirling in the tabloids as to why she did it. why did she help these two convicted murderers get out? were there threats? or did she fall in love with one of them? did she plan to run away with them? so many theories. we hadn't heard from joyce mitchell herself outside of the courtroom. that is until now. matt lauer sat down with joyce mitchell for a one on one interview as she awaits her sentence. >> as part of the job, how close were you and how close did you become to the inmates? is it fair to say you also became a friend? >> it is fair to say that. >> was there flirtation as part of the friendship? >> there was. >> did you think perhaps you were crossing some sort of a line? >> i was at first, but then i guess i -- i guess i got a little too comfortable.
>> david sweat is a guy who shot a sheriff's deputy 15 times. so these are two guys who committed heinous crimes. >> yes. >> and these are the guys you allowed yourself to have a friendship with. >> yes. everybody tells me i'm way too nice. >> when did they start asking you for favors? >> a few months before they decided to get out, they were asking me for things. >> so what did you bring them? >> i would bring cookies, brownies, you know, stuff like that. >> then they started asking for other things. when richard matt comes to you and says, joyce, i need a star-shaped drill bit. that's a lot different than cookies and brownies. >> yeah. >> what did you think? >> at first i'm like, i can't get you that. then he's like, i need it.
>> for what? >> at first, they didn't tell me, and then after they did, it was because they were going to try to escape. >> speculation has run rampant, joyce, that while mr. matt told you he loved you, that by this point, you loved him, as well. >> no. it was. -- it started out as a flirtation thing, but that's all it ever was. there was never any love between myself and mr. matt. >> at some point, in addition to bringing food and now starting to bring the tools they would eventually use to break out of prison, there was sexual contact between you and richard matt. >> there was never any actual sexual intercourse. mr. matt had grabbed me a couple times and kissed me. and then there was one point
where he had -- i'm sorry. he wanted me to. >> would you like a tissue? >> he wanted me to perform oral sex on him. and i said no. and when i said no, he grabbed my head and pushed me down. >> if you can, to the best of your ability, mrs. mitchell, tell me the complete list of things that you gave them. >> i give them the star bit,
four full size hack blades and i give them chisel and punch. that's all that i give them. >> that's a lot. >> it is. >> a tough discussion but if is in some of the holes in that story that we were all following. you can see even more of matt lauer's interview with joyce mitchell on friday on "the today show." still ahead for us, change of gears, the weirdest political story of the day. we're not talking, i promise about anything that donald trump did. stay with us. we'll be right back. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. when you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together
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onio onion. yes, it is. >> it is just really weird to eat an onion like an apple weird enough it's been mocked on seinfeld. but in australia, the country's top politics, tony abbott, prime minister, is known for doing just that, delightfully chomping on raw onions, skin can be damned. >> very good. >> very good. no tears even on that guy. in fact, mr. abbott said that particular onion was "better than any other onions i've eaten in a long time," which makes it you wonder does he eat onions like apples every day? here he is eating another member of the onion family. this looks like it was shot at some weird undercover onion
expose. you can see he's eating one. his taste in politics turn out to be every bit as bracing as his taste in raw snack food. city described guy marriage as a an fashion of the moment. he says abortion is "the easy way out," and taken hard line positions on everything from climate change to economics. even putting policy aside, what has been most striking about his time in office is how tone deaf he's shown himself to be day in, day out. he's managed to upset on camera just about every section of australian society, including the military. >> tony abbott has been caught out seemingly insulting a queensland soldier killed in afghanistan. after being told about the complications of the firefighter, this is his reaction. >> purchase abbott was then lost for words when confronted about
his comments. >> look, a soldier has died. and you shouldn't be trying to turn this into a subsequent media circus. >> the soldier shouldn't, i shouldn't? >> you. >> i'm showing a vision of your reaction to his explanation about what happened on the day in the operation that in which mckinney was killed. how is that turning into a media circus? tell me, what's the context? if it's out of context, what's the context? you're not saying anything, tony. i've given you the response you deserve. >> damage control. now, this prime minister is a walking highlight reel. >> i just survive on around $400
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hanging from bicycles, fancy champagne glass on yuns and part of me thinks he's going to off theon yun for a while. you can find me on facebook.com/ari mel ber right now. now that's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> we're really killing it. >> donald trump is taking his political show to dallas. >> we're going to have so many victories. they're going to be coming out of your years. >> braggy, brash and self-important. those are considered virtues in texas. >> i have a little debate coming up. >> who can we expect to lead the charge against trump? >> i hear they're all going after