tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC September 16, 2015 12:00am-1:01am PDT
>> a candidate on fire debating in a state that's on fire. tonight, former romney strategist stuart stevens on the movement to stop trump. a report from simi valley on the efforts to keep the reagan library from burning down. and director james cameron on the manmade disaster of climate change. then a hillary super pac goes negative on bernie sanders, and the senator's fighting back. and the mayor of new york on the brutal police take-down of james blake. >> what was your reaction when you saw that video? >> my interview with mayor deblasio when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes on the eve of the second republican presidential debate. pretty astounding new poll shows how topsy-turvy the dynamics of this have become. ben carson has pulled into a statistical dead heat with donald trump at 23% to trump's 27% with a margin of error of plus or minus 6%.
a massive jump for carson who was at 6% in the same poll one month ago. and it puts total support for carson and trump, two men who have never run for office nor served in government at 50%. compare that to the total support for jeb bush and scott walker. two republican governors who are long expected to be the favorite. they are currently at a cumulative 8%. just a point behind the poll's third most popular response, don't know. with carson now giving trump a run for his considerable money and refusing to be drawn into an open feud as so many other rivals have done, how the two front-runners handle each other will be the thing to watch for tomorrow night. for trump's part, he's projecting an air of unconcern. >> so, the debate. i hear they're all going after me. whatever. whatever. no, i hear it. >> joining me now emily's list spokesperson, stephanie, cornell belcher and rick wilson, gop strategist.
>> rick, we've been talking about the trump phenomenon. i think counter intuitive, the whole idea that has guided people responding to trump has been you got to fight back against a bully. he punches you in the face, you punch back. trump's a bully. ergo go right at him. we saw governor perry and jeb bush do that a little bit. i feel like maybe ben carson is showing everyone got it wrong the whole time that really the way to essentially outdo trump is just to not take the bait. >> well, look, one thing you should realize is you can't shame donald trump. he has been around people for years who told him that every time he breaks wind it smells like daffodils and sunshine. this is a guy who is used to being held in the arms of a bunch of toldies and boot liquors who always praise him. so when people fight back against him, he has this immediate shield wall that goes up and he attacks and attacks
and attacks and attacks. carson in some ways, this sort of bruce lee attack be water my friend, of not letting trump hit him. and carly fiorina the same sort of category this week who showed how you can go after donald trump by turning his attack and deflecting it a little bit into something that went after a demo he's weak with which is republican women. her ad this week was terrific on that front. >> so cornell, i was looking today at huff post, that the huff post pollster averages. one of the things that was most interesting was data about the statement of attention people say they are paying to this race. and as early as it is, you're seeing people paying much more attention to this race at this point than they did four years ago, eight years ago, 12 years ago, 16 years ago. does that say anything about the fluidity of the polling, how seriously we should take the numbers now? or is it still just essentially all a run-up to when voters
guess serious in december? >> a couple things. there's a big x factor. let me say, i was talking to, as i do in my travels and talking to people around the country, cabbies, people parking cars and you have people talking about tuning in to debates and watching the debates who say they've never watched a debate before. but it is part of this reality television sort of phenomenon that i've said is eating american culture that you see taking part of this. this is a show a lot of people want to see. i love the idea that bringing more people into the process. the other part about this is yes the electorate is very fluid in that poll, they were still shopping around. so you have a very fluid poll and group of voters right now. the question becomes, do these people who are turning in to watch it who have never been a part of it, do they then become part of the process and "the x-factor"s and throw off a lot of polling models. as crazy as this sounds, does
trump have the ability to expand and grow the republican electorate because of the people that are tuning in and watching him? it is a fascinating phenomenon. >> jess, this debate we're going to have a really amazing thing on the stage. and i'm not quite sure what anyone's going to do it with this time around. there's going be a woman on stage this time. it's going to be confusing for all involved. >> a real live one. >> she can talk, talk back. talk, ask questions. it's going to be very confusing for everyone involved. she is now on stage. carly fiorina making the cut this time. she had this sort of back and forth with donald trump who said this nasty thing about her looks, which he then tried to like i think in a somewhat cowardly fashion pretend he hasn't said. >> which is what he did about megyn kelly. he said something nasty about her and said we were all the nasty ones for thinking that's what we meant. >> the i'm amazed his polling with republican women hasn't seemed to be affected by any of this.
all the predictions this is the thing that does him in, the one thing i would think is at a certain point you'll see some splits start to han in the gender divide internal republican polling. that hasn't shown up yet. i don't know if carly fiorina can drives the wedge tomorrow night. >> it's a mistake to think of women as a monolith thick voting bloc. democratic voters are very different than republican women voters. that gets more dicey when you slide it by married or unmarried or women of color or latinas. saying we should see women reacting to this thing in x way will never lead to you a productive place. i think having carly on stage might mean that gender issues are raised. and if i could ask questions of people on stage, i would be asking what they would do to update our workplace laws, to understand that women are 41% of bread winners now. i would be asking about
reproductive health. i would be asking how absolutely extreme they have gotten on just about every issue relating to women, what they would do end gender discrimination in pay. the fact she's there and we're talking about women's issues possibly because she's there i think is a really good thing for women looking to draw contrasts. i want to be pulling for carly. the republican party desperately needs more women in it, but the bottom line is she's got the same agenda, this backwards looking agenda that the rest of them have. i don't know how much of a real substantive distinction will be drawn because she's there although i'm glad she's there. >> first of all, let's show i think we have a little bit of that ad that carly fiorina put out which has been well received. take a look. >> look at this face. and look at all of your faces. this is the face of a 61-year-old woman i am proud of every year and every wrinkle.
>> rick, on this question of where is the most productive area of substantive policy disagreement to mine? were you asking questions where you would like to see focus, to see we'll substantive exchanges? where do you want to see the substantive policy focus be tomorrow night? >> i think because donald trump has had such an outsized impact on the race, i want the discussion to be whether we're still going to be a party of limited government conservatism or personality driven nationalist state-ism that trump seems to be proposing. there are plenty of folks on the stage who come from a variety of experience shall backgrounds from governor walker to senator rubio to senator paul to senator cruz to governor bush who all have a very you know, did i verse range of ideas about where the republican party should be going in terms of its overall governing philosophy. so i'd want to see if we're
going to have a party that's going to stick to being a limited government people driven by the boundaries of the constitution or whether we'll go off on this tangent where it basically becomes a personality-driven political operation. a lot like the democrats went through where the wonder of the democrats with barack obama was that this had charismatic guy drove this huge gain to the white house, but the downside of it is, they're left with a weak bench at the end of the day and they're down to stunt casting with hillary clinton essentially. i really want to see a discussion on whether these folks are going to come out and compete with each other on substantive limited government conservative principles rather than whether this is going to be another reality tv show hosted by donald trump. >> let me say hillary clinton has been in public life a very long time. stunt casting doesn't quite capture her. >> carly fiorina doesn't run with the same sort of i'm a woman, i'm a woman, i'm a woman
back stop all the time that hillary sort of retreating to now that her numbers have cratered. >> what was that ad that carly just put out? >> let me tell you what that add was. that ad was smart politics addressing the fact that donald trump, that women republicans are largely less impressed with the donald trump show than male republicans right now. >> yeah, driving a gender gap is in fact -- is always smart politics especially when you have a majority of the electorate that's female. that's not different from what hillary clinton has been doing speaking to women's issues. >> carly fiorina is not running on the principle of elect me, i'm mommy and grandma. that is -- >> absolutely -- >> hillary clinton -- >> retreated to her last redoubt which is all of this desperate attempt to recapture democratic women voters who have all walked away from her this year because
her numbers -- >> none of this is remotely true. i can't let that stand. >> her numbers are have cratered. >> wait. hey, guys. hey, will you all be quiet? it's my show. hold on one second. thank you very much. okay? >> fair. >> her numbers have not cratered. all democratic women have not run away. she has lost significant support as the primary process has played out, a. b, i have to say people talk about the desperation of the hillary clinton campaign. whether you think it's a good or bad campaign, e-mails hurting or not, the one thing about the campaign is, they have been rolling out policy after policy after policy and in fact, what's been remarkable to me it's been again, you could say this is good or bad or she's up or down in the plos. the way she's run this campaign so far has been remarkably substantive in terms of what they have been proposing. i don't know if it's good politics. the one thing they haven't done is anything stunty. i think to turn this around, you
could make the argument they could probably use more stunt casting. stephanie, cornell, rick, thank you very much. >> thank you. still to come, they may be spread out across different campaigns but some reports say the old romney crew is united in one mission, stop trump. plus, continued fallout from the james blake take-down. the nypd union is pushing back. i'll ask mayor deblasio about that and later a look at wildfires raging in california. i'll talk to filmmaker james cameron about his fight to change climate change awareness. those stories and more ahead.
like an attempt to draw a contrast with the surging sanders, she cast herself as a centrist. >> i get accused of being kind of moderate and center. i plead guilty. sometimes it's important when you're in the elected lane, you try to figure out how do you bring people together to get something done instead of just standing on the opposite sides yelling at each other. >> they've so far declined to criticize each other directly. yesterday a super pac called correct the record went negative in an e-mail to "huffington post" reportedly linking sanders to venezuela's hugo chavez and the most extreme comments by new uk leader jeremy corbin. that prompted up a fired up response from sanders. he lamented he had been attacked viciously by clinton's super pac. sanders strength particularly in iowa and new hampshire represents a real threat to clinton at this point.
we should have won last time. mitt romney let us down. i mean he let us down. he let us down. >> donald trump has been strangely critical of romney's 2012 presidential campaign casting him as a choker who lost an election he should have won in 2012, romney was the choice of a gop donor class and party establishment that now disdains trump it's fair to say.
today the deep pocketed club for growth unleashed a $1 million ad campaign against the donald casting him as just another politics and even worse, a liberal one at that. >> trump wants us to think he's mr. tell it like it is, but he has a record and it's very liberal. he's really just playing us for chumps. trump, just another politician. >> romney's former aides and advisors are reportedly united in an effort to stop trump even though they are now affiliated with a variety of different candidates. trump endorsed romney in one of the most photo ops in the 2012 cycle but the relationship seems broken. trump said romney's immigration comments are hurting the gop. he infamously endorsed self-deportation for undocumented immigrants. stuart stevens was the chief strategist for romney's campaign and who returned to mississippi to write his new book which is
out today "the last season," about attending old miss football games with his father. stuart stevens, you are one of the most interesting men in politics. >> i don't know about that. >> it is true. you're not just a political operative. you write. you've had a bunch of different experiences. the trump phenomenon through your eyes as someone who was part of that campaign that he says was like a golfer missing a six-inch putt. >> i think you, i and donald trump have received the same number of votes for president. let's wait and see as they say in vermont how this sugars out. i'm of the conventional wisdom that donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee. i wrote a piece today saying i don't think he'll end up on the ballot. and not go all the way. the greatest sin in donald trump's value system is to be a
loser. and what do we know about most people who run for president? they lose. we have 20 something odd people running for president now. only one will win. i don't think he's going to risk being a success in business to becoming a loser who would lose to jeb bush, marco rubio, ted cruz, whomever, chris christie. >> the question is, well, i guess the first question is, are you like getting the band back together? making a joke it's like ocean's 11"? >> i wish it was like oceans 11". >> it would be a lot more fun. look, i there are people working for romney who work for different candidates who are now running against donald trump. i guess in that sense they're working against donald trump. there's no organized effort to the stop donald trump. mitt romney will speak up when he wants to speak up. this isn't a cause that mitt romney has adopted now.
i don't think there's really anything to that. >> you write about in the book, the book is sort of about dealing with this loss. >> loss. >> you guys lost. >> and politics is -- you lose more than you win in politics. and whether that's substantively or campaigns, what did you learn from that loss? >> well, i think that you're absolutely right. that it is the book is a meditation on loss. i discovered i think like a lot of people in politics that the pain of losing is greater than the pleasure of winning. and if you're like me and you really like doing campaigns, i've been fortunate to work for a lot of candidates who would have won anyway if i hadn't worked for them which is the secret of success in political consulting >> like good casting
>> or good baseball teams. >> right. >> and but this was, you know, obviously a huge loss and terrifically disappointing. personally, i felt very saddened by it in the sense that i let people down and mostly let mitt romney and his family who i became very, very fond of down. but it's, you know, i think that a lot of life is dealing with loss. of different sorts. and sort of deciding how you're going to deal with it and how it's going to be part of your life. >> it's funny you talk about trump because one of the things about the way that politics works, it's the way media works and our culture works which is like someone's up or down or winning and the second they're not winning they're a loser. this incompetent buffoon. mitt romney, i don't share his politics but the guy's an extremely accomplished successful, capable and smart individual. that's true of all sorts of people across account ideological spectrum. do you feel like you reclaimed doing this doing this with your dad, you reclaimed some sense of what value you have a person independent of whether you win or lose? >> we spent this fall going to football games. it's the first time i haven't
spent a fall doing campaigns in a long time. not to the sort of value your own self-worth by the tracking numbers. it's a different experience. i had gone into a system where it was sort of like a high school football game, when you walked off the field, you knew you had succeeded by whether or not you won or lost. which is a somewhat shallow but fun way to live. >> it's concrete. >> what i like about campaigns is the winning or losing. it's more fun to win but it's that challenge. government never interested me. i was always a guy who if i had any use it was the taking of baghdad, not the running of baghdad. >> stuart stevens, a great pleasure to have you here. it's a really interesting book. >> thank you very much. up next, my interview with new york city mayor bill deblasio who talks for the first time since the video of a police officer's violent arrest of tennis star james blake was released. stick around for that.
today a new york city police union is lashing out at critics of the police officer who tackled retired tennis player james blake in an apparent case of mistaken identity. blake was braefly arrested and detained by police while standing outside of a hotel last week after being mistaken for a suspect in a credit card ring. it now appears the man police say they confused with blake was himself mistakenly involved in the ring. james frescatore seen tackling the tennis player has since been placed on modified assignment pending investigation. the mayor and police
commissioner bill blanton have both since personally apologized to blake. today "the new york times" editorial board asked a number of questions like why shouldn't the officer be arrested for assault. the president of the patrolman's association wrote to all arm share judges if you have never struggled with someone resisting an arrest or pulled a gun on you, you are not qualified to judge the actions of police officers putting themselves in harm's way for the public good. i spoke to mayor bill deblasio in his first national interview since video of the brutal false arrest was released. >> mr. mayor, good to see you. >> good to be here. >> let's start off with james blake. do you feel like this has been well handled? >> i think it was very clear as soon as we recognized there was a problem. the commissioner apologized.
i apologized. and the commissioner obviously took a very strong action taking away the officer's badge and gun. so i think it has been well handled but more to the point, the bigger change we're making in this police force, the bigger reform is to retain this entire patrol force, something never done before in new york city to teach officers how to de-escalate and use less force in any encounter with a city resident. so this moment, it is a teachful moment because it reminds people reforms we have now undertaken are necessary. when they are fully achieved when every officer has been retrained and when the emphasis on bringing police and community deepens in this police force, you'll see fewer moments like this. >> what was your reaction when you saw that video? >> it was obviously wrong. that's why the apology was warranted. >> it's been very interesting for me to watch the politics and policy of police and policing play out in new york city because it was central to your
campaign when you're running. it was happening that campaign was right before this movement across the country around black lives matter, policing reform, criminal justice really became a front and center national issue. and you are now facing critics on both sides. let's start with the critics. >> welcome to government. >> yes. let's start with the critics who say basically, you have in your rush to appease folks that were as opposed to stop and frisk, have you curtailed elements of new york city policing responsible for the great crime drop, you an imperiling citizens and ushering back the battle days. evidence of that is a homeless man who lives near the editor of the "new york post" and the more seriously a rise in murders year over year. what do you say to those folks who say it's all coming back and
you're to blame. >> i thought you were going to say chris christie next. >> look as commissioner bratton made very clear, crime has gone down this year compared to last year and down last year compared to the year before. i'm very, very proud of that fact. we did that while reducing the broken stop and frisk policy taking 700,000 stops in a single year taking it down by last year we had the number down under 50,000 stops. it's gone down further this year and crime continues to go down. we've proven that you can be fair while keeping people safe. i'm very proud of that fact. and i actually think we're going to find ways to make the community safer because we're going to draw the community closer, a new neighborhood policing model which we have not done properly before in new york city, we value the relationship between the police and community. and getting unnecessary stops out of the equation was necessary to bring community and police back togethering. >> one question from the other side.
hakeem jeffries and others who say this approach to reform you obviously reduced stop and frisk but that you guys took your foot off the gas a little bit when you encountered resistance and an intense black lash. one of the darkest moments for the city in the last few years was the murder of those twos police officers. a brutal awful moment i think for the whole city. there are people who say that was an interruption in the project of reform. what do you say to that? >> that doesn't recognize the history. it was a tragic moment for the city. everyone felt it in the common. but the reforms have continued consistently. the retraining of the entire police force, think about that. every single police officer shown how to work more closely with the community. shown how to reduce the use of force. huge reduction in the number of stops from 700,000 to under 50,000 and going down. >> that starts before you.
>> it does. but we continued it and deepened it and showed crime could go down at the same time. the reduction of stop and frisk is reform. a civilian review board plus a new inspector general for the police. these are new reforms. we're adding new technology which will keep community and officers safer. all of this is moving simultaneously. some people like to minimize the equation and ask like there was an interruption. i see a continued pattern of reform and you know, i was challenged by some over the winter about my views and i said my reviews are my views. i'm not apologizing for them which is the sign of how resolute i am we're going to continue these reforms. >> mayor bill deblasio ran and won one of the campaigns. >> i think there's something bigger happening in this country. the whole debate on income inequality becoming much more of an electoral issue.
it'ser. ating what we see from the democratic presidential candidates. i'm hopeful we have a moment of profound progressive change. >> if you're wondering, the mayor is 7 1/2 feet tall. i'm seven feet tall. much more of my interview with new york city mayor bill deblasio tomorrow. come back, you'll want to watch it.
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republican debate tomorrow night is taking place at the ronald reagan library in simi valley, california, less than 507b miles northwest of los angeles. as we learned when we visited the area in july for our special series "all in america water wars," people there may be following the presidential election, but what they care about is the historic drought now threatening their water supply and increasing the rate of deadly wildfires. right now two massive wildfires are burning in northern california covering more than 130,000 acres. at least one person has been killed and tens of thousands forced to evacuate. about a month ago, another fire threatened homes in simi valley. and as jacob saw brof reports tonight, it happened dangerously close to where the republican candidates will gather tomorrow. wildfires are tearing through miles of parched wilderness grassland and creeping dangerously close to
neighborhoods. >> you can see the flames just about maybe 20 feet away from that one fence. >> reporter: a small brush fire in simi valley spread quickly. hundreds of homes in its path. >> so we're on the northern end of the rustic fire that burned just about a month ago. how many acres burn? >> about 190 acres. >> how far are we from the reagan library. >> as the crow flies, just two miles. >> could we see fire like this up by the reagan library? >> absolutely. i was a young chief officer and we had the immy valley in 2003. we had 40-mile-an-hour santa and ma na winds. the jumped the road and ran right by the reagan library. i'll never forget, i was sitting there, i'd been up for 36 hours and got a call from the deputy chief. he says, teddy, do not let the reagan library burn down. i said yes, sir. he said, by the way the fuselage from the plane is there. i said yes, sir, copy that, boss.
>> you did a good job. >> reporter: when the library was built in the early '90s, it was landscaped so that there would always be something in bloom. over the past 20 years, our landscape architects add the to the original plan. >> it was not built with water conservation in mind. when ground was broken, it was a desert hilltop that they turned into an oasis. as you can see at the library's replica of the white house's roads garden, times have changed. around now, the hillside hasn't been cleared like you see right here, this vegetation can go from flush to dangerous. i'm about 100 feet from the replica of the white house south lawn. as you can see, it's normally dry out here but this is very, very dry. this is the type of stuff that went up in flames just a little ways away from here. the library is part of the city of simi valley. like the rest of california under a state mandated water restriction because of drought.
officials say the library is doing its fair share. >> has the library met the state mandated water conservation. >> they've exceeded it. >> here they have exceeded the statewide mandate, but the question is whether or not that changing is sustainable and whether or not politicians and residents support it. >> republicans are coming out here for the debate on wednesday. are you going to be watching? >> no. >> do you care what they have to say? >> not really. >> i'd like to hear about environmental issues from them. >> the republicans are coming here for the debate. >> absolutely, which is wonderful. >> do you think they'll talk about the drought? >> i think they will. republicans care. >> joining me now from simi valley, california, msnbc's jacob sob rof. i love the fact that here at the reagan library, reagan infamously i'm theer help. big enemy regulation. the library is using -- is essentially complying with the regulation to reduce their water.
>> that's absolutely right, chris. as a matter of fact, they're a great customer if you listen to what the city says and wouldn't be a great customer if it wasn't for the regulations that the city has in place. not only would the library not be meeting or exceeding the standards for water conservation here in southern california, statewide in car, but a lot of these homes protected by 100 feet of defensible space mandated also by the fire department probably would have burn down if it wasn't for regulation. >> we did a flyover in san diego and they were talking to me, the firefighters there were talking to me how important that space is particularly right now. you've got california's got historic drought. this has gotten less play. it's hotter than it's ever been. how important is that space that regulations created a barrier between the library and all the brush that tends to burn so quickly. >> extraordinarily important. when the fires are burning theer these homes particularly burning uphill, they burn very, very rapidly especially aided by the
wind conditions. this 100 feet of defensible space is essentially trimmed down to maybe an inch or less of grass. so this grass will burn if you watch the footage of the fire up here relatively slowly compared to the burning wild neiers in northern california. >> you guys got a ton of rain recently. there's been a few huge deluges in the last few months. is the corner been turned? everything okay now?. >> let me play myth buster for a minute with you. the drought is not over. even though we had more rain today than any other september day almost since the late 1800s. if you have seen the movie "china town" or watched your reporting on all in, we get most of our drinking water from northern california. even though we got dumped on down here, that water is doing almost nothing to help us fight back the drought. >> that was great. up next, my interview with avatar director james cameron
climate change did not come up a single time at the first republican debate. with the front-runner talking dismissively about president obama's priorities do not expect is the treatment of the planet to get serious treatment tomorrow night. >> you can't get hurt with extreme weather. there's a tornado, there's a wind. it's always extreme. he said the biggest threat we
have is extreme weather. and i say in terms of global warming, the biggest threat we have is nuclear global warming because we have incompetent politicians. that's the biggest threat we have. >> despite efforts by president boll and others to put climate change at the top of the agenda, republican deenlism continue tosses block progress at the national level. that's why state and local governments have been taking matters into their own hands. today in los angeles, community leaders from around the u.s. met with their counterparts from china at a summit following up the major accord reached by president obama and the chinese president last year. one of the speaks are was film make esh, explorer and environmental activist james cameron. james cameron, that one and only joins me now live from l.a. james, i had you in my monitor here as we were playing the trump sound. you can shake your head doughfully. >> i know.
ironies are running ramp and the here. the reagan library almost burned down by epic wild land fires here in california. major wildland fires burning up in northern california on the same day that we have an unprecedented hickcally unprecedented deluge here which stretched all the way to arizona and caused that kind of tragic event there. and so you see climate completely out of control. there was an article in the l. a. times today that the snowpack is at the lowest level since they've been able to measure down to 3% of what it normally would be this time of year. and yet, here you know, only a few miles from where the last big fire was locally, they're going to have this debate. and they won't talk about it. >> what does that mean though? you're someone who's worked a lot on this issue. you're a very smart guy, fairly technically adept i think it's fair to say. i think about this all the time. so our system 60 vote
filibuster, it's hard to see a path from a to b to getting to say carbon pricing or a carbon tax or something like that. what's the path forward? tell me what you're doing today about that? >> look, i felt hopeless for a long time watching a government paralyzed by denialism on the right about what i think of as the biggest crisis that our society and our global civilization faces. and you know, i think the answer is that it's got to come from the bottom up. if people on the -- in the clinton campaign, for example, are talking about climate change, it's going to come up. it's going to be forced into the spotlight. president obama is taking action. it's not coming from the leadership down. it's coming from the people up. it's people like myself and my colleagues that work in media who have to get the facts out there. and let people judge for themselves. people are getting concerned. it kind of went away right after 2008 and the financial downturn. it's coming roaring back now because we see the evidence all around us.
if i can give you an example people are not connecting the dots on, we've got this big crisis with the syrian refugees pouring into the eu. so you've got this big immigrant refugee crisis. well, that's caused by rise of isis and the collapse of syria as a state. it's now a failed state. well, why? it all began as a result of a drought. farms collapsed. 1.5 million farmers moved off their farms into the cities. the government didn't help them. they had no jobs. they rose up to challenge the assad regime. it resulted in a civil war. now we have one of the biggest crisis on the global map right now as a result of an unprecedented drought that researchers are now connecting to climate change. so that's the climate change is not something in the future. it's happening it right now all around us. we're not necessarily connecting the dots. >> you're also seeing -- that's a good point about the ways in which societies, political systems respond to any kind you
have forcing mechanism, any kind of stress. so you see what happens in societies in which jobs get scarce, right after a financial crisis. it's very easy under conditions can of constrained resources for some of the worst impulses in politics, doesn't matter the society to come out. that's a real thing to worry about. >> i think it is. people have to understand that the cost of not fighting climate change now is going to be much, much greater later to our economy. so but it's not an issue of what's really best for the economy. it's really an issue of what's best right now next quarter for the entrenched interests who have their hands unnaturally on the leaders of power in our so-called democratic system. that's why it needs to come bottom up in this country. now, you look at china who are meeting us halfway on this. right here in los angeles with this historic summit. and china is very much a top down system. they can pivot quicker than us even though they're a much bigger system and much bigger
population, 1.4 billion people. they're outstripping us in solar, in all across the renewable energy spectrum. in 2013, alone, they put in more solar than the united states has since solar was invented and it was invented here. so you know, we're hopefully we'll be able to meet in the middle because if solutions have to be global on this. they can't be -- he we can't solve it here or in europe or in china. we've got to all work together on this. >> it's interesting you bring this up because the sort of cutting eng of denialism you'll see in politics, folks have increasingly gotten embarrassed by denying the actual data. it ends up, you look a little ridiculous. right? so what you see now particularly in the republican field is, this kind of shoulder shrug which is yeah, it's a problem but china's never going to do anything about it. we can't be suckers and the ones that take the first step. you were at this conference with
chinese officials there. what's your sense about the seriousness of china? >> they understand it's a very immediate threat for them. their industrialization has come at a rate much, much faster than ours and they've grown their economy so rapidly, they're getting overwhelmed by environmental problems. they know they have to do something about it because there is a certain bottomup pressure in their system. they've got to keep the people happy and their business community happy. and so they have to do something about it. and they're acting as quickly as they can. that's why i think that president obama and president xi have come together on this. i think the action is going to happen at a kind of state, regional and city level like this summit right here is mayors from china. that may not sound that powerful. you've got to remember that a mayor in china may be a government, a government headed by a single person over 19
million people, 25 million people. these cities there are like major state governors here. they can take pretty decisive action. >> you are partnering with sam cas, former white house chef, on the food choice task force. that's that? >> food choice task force was founded because most people are not making the connection between the choices they make in terms of the food they eat and what that means for the sustainability of this nation and of the planet. and let me give you an example that most people don't know. when we think of climate change, we think of coal fired power plants and tail pipe emissions. but the second biggest source of greenhouse gases is animal agriculture. if you cut down on meat and dairy, you're individually doing something right now to help the planet. >> i can taing cars off the road. mr. cameron, thank you very
much. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. it is one of the stranger official events, maybe the sickle strangest official event that has yet been scheduled for this very strange campaign. and this event we're waiting for the candidate to starts speaking tonight, it's weird for a very specific reason. as you have probably heard, republican presidential front-runner donald trump is due to give that rarest of all things tonight. he's going to give a policy speech. . trump has not done that yet on this campaign. but tonight he's going to be giving a policy speech on foreign policy and national security. he's going to be delivering that speech, i kid you not live from the deck of a decommissioned battle ship. now, there are a lot of funny and interesting things about that choice all of which we'll be getting to tonight.