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arrested for bringing a homemade clock to school. ahmed mohamed is fielding offers to visit the president of the white house. mark zuckerberg at facebook, but, first, he'll be my guest here tonight. then, when democrats attack. >> there's no dirty work involved here. >> i'll talk to jennifer granholm about her pro-clinton super pac going negative on bernie sanders. plus, jon stewart returns with a cause. >> today on the hill you will be exposed to possibly toxic levels of bull [ bleep ]. [ laughter ] and part two of my exclusive interview with new york mayor bill de blasio. do you think donald trump is qualified to be president? well "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. a couple days ago very few people new who ahmed mohamed was. but now the 14-year-old from texas is trending worldwide on twitter, getting attention from
astronauts, moguls and presidents and he will join me tonight for an all in exclusive because on sunday night at his home in irving, texas, just outside dallas, he was doing what he likes to do -- tinkering around with electronics in the makeshift workshop he keeps in his bedroom. in about 20 minutes, he told "dallas morning news" ahmed fashioned a homemade digital clock and on monday, the next morning, he brought it into school to show off to his engineering teacher. >> i took it to school to show my teacher the talent that i had. i wanted to show it. i showed it to my first period teacher, he's an engineering teacher that teaches at macarthur high school. >> you here in that class? >> i'm in that class and only a select few students can be in that class, around six or seven students. >> another teacher was not so impressed telling him it looked like a bomb. that afternoon, ahmed was pulled out of class, arrested, handcuffed in his nasa t-shirt. >> an officer and the principal came and took me to a room
filled with five officers which they interrogated me and searched through my stuff and took my tablet and my invention and then later that day i was taken to a juvenile center detention center where they searched me, took the fingerprint and mug shots of me. >> ahmed said he wasn't allowed to have his parents or a lawyer present during his interrogation and while the irving police said today they're not filing any charges, the case is now closed, ahmed has been suspended from school. that suspension still stands. his story has exploded on social media with the hashtag "i stand with ahmed." among the top worldwide trends on twitter all day long. muslim americans have been posting pictures of themselves with clocking to show solidarity where others have been warning the irving p.d. to look out for additional time-keeping security threats achlt med has gotten an outpouring of support from his fellow nerds including retired commander chris hatfield, the jet propulsion lab's employee
famous for he mohawk, and mark zuckerberg posted a message on if inviting ahmed to come for a visit while hillary clinton treated "assumptions and fears don't keep us safe, they hold us back, ahmed, stay curious and keep us building. "and from the president of the united states, president obama "cool clock, ahead. want want to bring it to the white house? we should inspire more kids like you to like science. it what makes america great." ahmed's father from sudan spoke today. >> what's touching is heart is that america turns their eyes up and we're grateful and thankful to them. what happened to our son it is a sign to go forward, to fix, to banish who did the mistake. >> the consensus seems to be this was a major screwup by all the authority figures in irving, none of them appear that apologetic. the school district sent out a letter to parents alerting them to a suspicious item found on
campus ultimately determined not to have posed a threat and letting them know "this is a good time to remind your child how important it is to immediately report any suspicious items and/or suspicious behavior they observe." at a peres conference earlier today, the police chief said the arrest had nothing do with ahmed's race. the irving mayor posted some thoughts on her if page above the previous post which were photos from campaign events from donald trump and ted cruz. "i do not fault the school or police for looking into what they saw as a potential threat. they have procedures to run when a possible threat or criminal act is discovered." earlier this year, the mayor made a name for herself in conservative circles with a campaign against squlharia law irving warning against the takeover in texas. >> what do you want people to do? >> i think you need to put your foot down and say this is america, we have laws here already. >> moments ago at the republican undercard debate the candidates were asked about ahmed's story
and how they would balance security and liberty. >> i don't think a 14-year-old should ever get arrested for bringing a clock to school. right now the biggest discrimination going on is against christian business owners and individuals who believe in traditional forms of marriage. >> young men from the middle east are different than kim davis and we've got to understand that. >> i'm joined by ahmed mohamed and with him is aaliyah salem from the council on islamic relations in dallas-fort worth. ahmed, when did you start getting into tinkering with electronics. >> i started around the age of eight and nine. >> reporter: and what kind of stuff would you -- how did you get into it? what kind of stuff two you like to tinker with? >> i would like to tinker with bikes, cars, i would always work with my uncle on vehicles. >> and tell me about this invention that ended up leading to all this. it was a clock.
how did you put it together? what gave you the idea to put a clock together? >> it was a simple invention i wanted to show my teachers, i wanted to impress them by something simple. >> so you put this together just -- you bought parts and put it together in your room, is that right? >> yes. >> and you brought in in to school. what were you expecting the reaction to be when you brought in this clock you'd put together in your room? >> i thought they'd be impressed by it. >> did you show it to a teacher first? >> yes, i showed it to two teachers. >> and what did those teachers say when you showed them your clock? >> the first teacher, he was impressed but he advised me not to show any other people. >> he told you not to show any other people? >> yes. >> why do you think he said that? >> he told me it looks like a
bomb. >> and did that surprise you? >> it surprised me. >> so then another teacher saw it, right? and what was that teacher's reaction? >> the teacher's reaction was -- she -- her eyes went up and her eyes widened and she looked at it and she said "is that a bomb?" >> and what did you say? >> i told her no, it's a clock i built over the weekend. >> and what did she say? >> she was like "i'll take it from here. i'll give it to you at the end of the day." >> so she confiscates your clock after asking you it was a bomb, you told her no, i built a clock over the weekend, i wanted to bring it in. then what happens next? >> yes. it's what happened before. before i showed they are clock i voluntarily wanted to show it to her. i told her "do you want to see my clock?" and she said sure.
>> and then at what point did you find out that you were in trouble? >> the point write saw a police officer and the principal. >> they came into your classroom? >> yes, and they -- they took me out. i got all my stuff. >> they said "get your stuff, come with us" and where did you go? >> i went to an interrogation room filled with four other officers. >> an interrogation room in your school? >> it's a school resources room. i call it the interrogation room because that's where i got interrogated. >> so they put you in a chair and there's five officers total and the principal. did you ask them "can i talk to my parents? can i call my parents and tell them what's going on?" >> yes. yes. >> and what did they say? >> they were -- they told me no, you can't call your parents, you here in the middle of an interrogation at the moment. >> and what kind of things did they ask you?
>> they asked me a couple of times "is it a bomb?" and i answered a couple of times "it's a clock." >> and that didn't seem to satisfy them? >> no. >> how long were you in that room? >> about an hour and twenty-five minutes, an hour. around an hour and twenty-five. so what else were they asking you beside "it is a bomb" if you were in there for an hour and a half? >> they asked me why i would bring a clock to school and i had explained to them that i brought it to school to show my teachers, to impress them. >> so eventually after an hour and a half is that when they handcuffed you? >> yes. >> did they say "you're under arrest" or "you're being charged"? >> they told me i was under arrest and i asked them for what crime and they were like for a hoax bomb. >> how did you feel?
>> i felt -- i felt like i was a criminal. i felt like i was a terrorist. i felt like all the names i was called. >> what do you mean all the names you were called? >> i was called -- in middle school i was called a terrorist, called a bomb maker just because of my race. and religion. >> wait, you've been called that before by just -- by kids in your school? >> yes. >> and were the officers saying things like that to you? >> one of the officers did comment on me walking in the room. >> what did he say? >> he got back if the recline chair and he relaxed and he was like -- he said "that's who i thought it was." >> and what did you take that to mean? >> i took it to mean that he was pointing at me for what i am, my
race and he took it -- he took it at me because i was a -- i was just a student, i never had any contact with him, i never talked to him. >> aaliyah, when did you -- when did the parents and you find out about what happened to ahmed? >> so the parents found out when they finally did contact him, his parents, when they were the jail when they were at the place station there in irving. so they finally contacted the parents even though ahmed repeatedly asked for them to get his parents involved and they repeatedly refused until once at the police station his family, his mother and his father and sister, went up there. some of the pictures that are circulating on social media are thanks to his sister's quick thinking. she took some pictures. she recorded some information which was really helpful. after that in the evening time we were notified about the case
situation and then met with the family the following morning to get the details of what had happened. >> ahmed was just talking about having been called a terrorist before just in school. can you give us a little context of sort of what life for nokes the islamic community around dallas-fort worth is like? particularly in irving? >> well, in the north texas area, we've -- especially in 2015, we've seen our fair share of increases in hate crimes and negative sentiments towards the muslim community but this is something, frankly, that's happening across the nation so ahmed's story is unfortunately not uncommon. it's something that we're seeing repeated in schools across the country and jobs across the country, a lot of employment discrimination we're seeing. but in irving in particular we're concerned because there has been recently a very negative climate in focus comparing to the muslim community so we have had
concerns that some of this sentiment, some of this is a result of that growing negative sentiment in irving from recent events. >> ahmed, i'm sure you have seen throughout the day this outpouring of support for you from all over the place. hillary clinton said "assumptions and fear don't keep us safe, they hold us back, ahmed stay curious and keep building." mark zuckerberg said you can visit facebook. the president of the united states said "cool clock, ahmed, want to bring it to the white house? we should inspire more kids like you to like science, it's what makes america great." how do you feel about this tremendous outpouring of support? >> i feel really well after because before i didn't think i was going to get any support because i'm a muslim boy so i thought it was just going to be another victim of injustice but thanks to my supporters on social media i got this far thanks to you guys. and the way i see it is -- >> continue, sorry. >> i see it as a way of people
sending a message to the rest of the world that just because something happens to you because of you you are, no matter what you do, people will always have your back. >> and has that been true with the kids in your school? friends and folks like that? have you been getting some support locally as well? >> yes. i've been getting a lot of support locally. irving, texas. >> that's great. >> overwhelmi. >> i want to bring? someone else whose voiced their support for ahmed. dr. shonda prescott weinstein, an astrophysicist at m.i.t. which ahmed has called his dream school. doctor, you're there. anything you want to say to ahmed about m.i.t. and what kind of place it would be should he want to check you out there? >> ahmed, i'm so happy that you're coming out on top and i just want to say by the way you are my ideal student -- a creative independent thinker like you is the kind of person who should be becoming a
physicist. as a theoretical physicist i would love if you took an interest in the mathematical side although you're clearly adept with your hands and building things so i hope you'll think about theoretical physics. if there's any possibility that you can visit us at m.i.t. i would love to give you a tour of the center for theoretical physics and the institute for astrophysics and i'm hearing from my former advisors at harvard college that they would love for you to come to the center for astrophysics, the harvard smithsonian center so i hope you'll visit us in cambridge. it would be fantastic to have you. you are the kind of student that we want at places like m.i.t. and harvard. >> ahmed, are you going to -- obviously it's a plane flight but maybe you can check it out. i know it's early for college, you're only 14, but these things start early these days. >> yeah, that's -- that's a fact right there. [ laughter ] ahmed mohamed, alia salem, shonda prescod weinstein, thank you for being here.
ahmed, there are a lot of people who have your back and thank you for coming on. you're a remarkably poised young man. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> all right, guys. still to come, niceties aside, don't forget bernie sanders and hillary clinton are fighting for the presidency. we might have the first sign the gloves are off. democrats still have over three weeks before their first debate. i'll talk to the chair of the dnc about the controversy around that schedule and later more from my interview with mayor of new york bill de blasio. those stories and more ahead. working on my feet all day gave me pain here. in my knees. but now, i step on this machine and get my number which matches my dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic inserts. now i get immediate relief from my foot pain. my knee pain. find a machine at drscholls.com it's from virtually anywhere.rn of danger it's been smashed, dropped and driven. it's perceptive enough to detect other vehicles on the road.
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to venezuela's hugo chavez and the "extreme comments" by jeremy corbett. that prompted sanders to hit back writing in a fund-raising e-mail that the pro-clinton campaign super pac unleashed a vicious attack that was "the kind of onslaught i would expect to see from the koch brothers or sheldon adelson." david brock was asked yesterday what his group is up to. >> is this the beginning of a greater onslaught? do you see this as your role to do the dirty work against the clinton campaign? >> there's no dirty work involved here. >> hugo chavez? that's pretty dirty work. >> this is a political campaign and you have to draw contrast. that's part of the process. joining me now, former michigan governor jennifer granholm, senior advisor for correct the record, a surrogate for clinton's presidential campaign. look, you know politics. you've been in politics, it is inevitable that at a certain point it's going to be negative.
there will be contrasts drawn, distinctions drawn, probably charges levels between different primary campaign, hillary clinton and bernie sanders in particular. >> it is the worst part of running for office is that sometimes you have a fight in the home team and i know it makes democrats -- i'm sure it makes republicans uncomfortable, too. the fact that on the democratic side it's been a love fest on the republican side, obviously i'm here at the debate and it has been a slug fest but in every campaign everybody's going to try to unearth contrast material. >> do you think the contrast that hillary clinton is likely to draw is basically that bernie sanders is too extreme? that he's too politically left? that he's associated with fringe figures like hugo chavez as was mentioned in this david brock e-mail? is that the contrast you imagined the clinton campaign
drawing? >> i don't think so. i don't think that's the kind of thing that she would be uttering. she has been entirely positive. i've been with her on a lot of occasions and she has just been ultimately very positive, particularly about bernie sanders. i think they have a good relationship and she likes him but i think that eventually on both sides -- on all sides and all of these candidates they will unearth material that draws a contrast. >> do you think there's also an interesting division of labor that's going to shape up because we are now in the super pac era in which it's far easier for an organization like correct the record or other super pacs or surrogates that are not the clinton campaign to be doing that kind of thing? to be working reporters or sending out oppo or running adds and the campaign itself can say "we're not going negative"? >> this is my hope, chris, that this is a last election where we ever see any of this happening.
i know correct the record is a super pac and i was affiliated with it and i was the co-chair of another one, priorities usa but as i said i hope this is the last time we have a super pac election because we elect a president who will appoint a supreme court that reinterprets citizens united. >> jennifer granholm there in simi valley, a political pro herself, really appreciate you joining us tonight. thanks a lot. >> you bet. thanks, chris. still ahead, my interview with mayor bill de blasio about the 2016 race and more. stay with us.
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i think it's fair to say that most of the country's political attention right now seems to be focused on republican presidential candidates. part of the reason far is that there are 16 republicans running for white house compared to half a dozen democrats. there's also one in particular on the republican side. but if republican candidates are getting more airtime, by the time democrats get around to holding their first debate on october 13 in nevada, the republicans will have already had two opportunities to debate their way closer to the presidency. right now republicans have at least 11 debates scheduled and unless debbie debbie wasserman schultz decides to reexamine things, it looks like republican candidates will get more exposure. i spoke debbie wasserman schultz and ask her to respond what-to-what-toto what martin o'malley said when he said who was responsible for limiting the debates. >> i assume it's the chair of the democratic party. it certainly wasn't the dean see
memb -- dnc members who gave me a standing ovation when i said we're committing malpractice by not saying anything. >> so he's saying it was you and you alone that crafted this debate schedule. is that true? is that accurate? >> no. it's not at all true. we worked not only with the campaigns but with our networks to build a robust and diverse group of debates and consulted -- i consulted with former dnc chairs as well as party officials across the state parties and came up with a six-debate skej dwlul we think is going to be the right balance to make shoo you are our candidates are able to spend the time they need to do the grass-roots retail campaign iin that is essential for those voters to kick the tires and also to allow for a variety of other platforms for our candidates to be able to be seen
and heard in. we got overwhelmed the last time we had an open primary. there were 26 debates, six sanctioned dnc debates in '04 and '08 like we have now but it was important to make sure we not let that process get out of control so we can make sure our candidates are able to reach the voters and be able to showcase and contrast themselves from one another and, of course, from the circus on the other side of the aisle. >> two points on this. one is that the o'malley campaign says you never negotiated with them. are they not telling the truth? >> yeah, i'm not going to hurl accusations or debate any of our candidates in the press or privately. we most definitely consulted with and talked with each campaign. all of the candidates, campaigns agreed to participate including martin o'malley's in the six dednc sanctioned debates agreed to the rules and i can understand that martin o'malley has the position
he does but there is -- there are some differing opinions as we always have in our party buts in the right balance. i think we came together and made a good solid decision and when we start in just about a month our candidates are going to have an opportunity to draw a dramatic contrast between 15, 16 candidates that are there on the republican side who are doubling down on extremism and any of our candidates who are going to be continuing to talk about how to help folks build those cornerstones in middle-class life. that's what we're focused on. >> obviously certain candidates are going to want more time, right? but there has been criticism from other folks. this is deb kozakowski from the vice chairman of from massachusetts she said "how do i tell them they're restricted? they're watching all these republicans get airtime." has it been debt cemental to have these six weeks, two months
in which republicans are debating and democrats sflrnt. >> chris, we have a robust schedule and we have 450 dnc members and 57 state party chairs with our state parties in the territories. like i said there's a smattering of opinion in the dnc that we should have more than six but i have a party to run. i have to make sure we can get our party in the strongest possible shape so we can support our nominee. we have just rolled out a muscular expansion of our dnc finance team. we have six debates. our candidates will have plenty of opportunity. i just hung up with a state party chair just as i was coming over here who said unsolicited, debbie, six debates the fine. they thought there should be few sore there are opinions all over the map. i've got to make sure i balance everybody's concerns and make sure that our candidates get the most exposure to the voters they need. >> debbie wasserman schultz, thank you so much for your time.
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i had the chance to take talk with him and get his reaction to the white house's latest policy shift. >> it's a move in the right direction but it's too modest. we need to do more. when it came to accepting cuban refugees when we were dealing with those in the soviet union, persecuted jews, the somalians, bosnians, we have had a good refugee effort to try to do our part in the world effort. i think we can do better. >> do you have a sense of what that number should be? i mean, there's an interesting debate unfolding in the presidential campaign, martin o'malley has called for 65,000 refugees to be welcomed to the u.s. obviously germany, which is much closer to the source of those refugees is taking 800,000. is there a number you think we should be thinking about? >> my goal is 100,000. and i reach that goal in light of the magnitude of this humanitarian crisis and also the response i'm finding in illinois and other places. i sat down on friday with four syrian families that have made
it to the united states as refugees. their stories were heartbreaking about what they've been through. the deaths in their family, the displacement. they've lost everything. they said they couldn't believe how welcoming the united states was. now they've all been carefully vetted and everyone we bring in should be carefully vetted. but i believe there's a feeling this n this united states, a compassion and a caring that many communities, many churches and temples and synagogues will reach out with open arms to help bring these people into the united states. >> what do you say to people that say either we have enough problems or in the case of mike huckabee these might be people who "just want cable tv." more to the words of your colleague congressman peter king across the other part of the capital "we don't want another boston marathon bombing." >> well, let me just tell you, i hope that those voice and that point of view, i hope they don't prevail. that's not who we are as americans. we are not a nation of hate and fear, we are a nation of hope. we are a nation that reaches out
and shows that we care about people around the world. and when i hear minister huckabee talk about these people just wanting cable tv, i wish the minister would take a moment and sit down with some of these syrian families and hear their heartbreaking stories about what they've been through. >> there is a line of attack that i've heard, a crescendo on the right among republicans, your colleague john mccain, basically saying the problem here is barack obama, the problem is barack obama's syria policy has failed, he did not intervene decisively enough, the u.s. dithered, that's what's causing the problem. what's your response to that? >> in the world of dithering, i hope we include the fact that when the president came to congress and asked for the clear authority to go after chemical weapons in syria we passed it through the foreign relations committee and, i might add, john mccain voted with the president as i did. but then it stalled completely on the floors of the house and the senate. they were unwilling to take it
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within the national debate and the democratic party. i should say on some of the issues, carried surprise loophole is a great example of this, is the way hedge fund managers are get a huge tax advantage. that's being addressed by people like jeb bush and donald trump i think there's something bigger happening, the whole debate on income inequality reaching down the grass-roots and becoming much more of an electoral issue. it permeating what we see through the presidential candidates so i hope we have a special moment that could be a moment of profound progressive change. >> you mentioned donald trump who has basically not in any formal way because there's only one white paper on his weapon site. -- web site. do you think donald trump is qualified to be president? >> i certainly won't be voting for donald trump and it's hard to analyze various facets of the trump phenomenon. so much of what he said will
ultimately alienate him from the american people. we've seen some real interesting moments in american politics where someone's hot for a period of time. i can tell you plenty of examples of folks who look like they were sure thing and then suddenly were gone. i think the issue here is the frustration with the status quo is becoming much more tangible and a lot of that is progressive. and the fact that even a donald trump or a jeb bush has to talk about closing the carried interest loophole says that there is an anger out there in this country about a status quo not working for working people and that we're rewarding wealth instead of work and so i think that's the bigger underlying current that's actually going to have a lot to say about the outcome. >> so talking about the campaign you have here and now actually having the job. i've watched numerous times in which you can build consensus around certain policies and you think you're going to be pushing on an open door and then it
turns like it's been nailed shut. there's been 150 tons of steel behind it. that was true. we saw it with obamacare, we've seen in the the stop and frisk policies here. have you learned things about what it takes to get from point "a" to point "b." >> obamacare ultimately succeeded. do we wish it had been a smoother road? of course. pre-k is succeeding. the reduction of stop and frisk has succeeded and crime is down. i think these things are possible. it involve asnes audacity. i think all we need to learn we got from franklin delano roosevelt in the first hundred days, audacity, speed, bringing the people along early in the process. that's when i think progressive change happens. >> but you also -- i mean, to me the lesson also is you pay a cost politically for that. barack obama passed obamacare which i think in the future will
be looked at as a great achievement. i think it will be politically popular, but it was not popular at the time. the polling shows it, he got punished at the polls, his approval rating went down. you've experienced that. you've had approval ratings go down a bit. i think my personal opinion is you're paying the cost of that. >> i think it's the other way around. when you achieve these policies that affect hundreds of thousands or millions of people, that wins the day. people experience it. they feel the material impact of a policy that served them. they start to feel less anger about a status quo that deserted them and see policies that support them materially. it doesn't happen overnight. in our case, pre-k, for example, 53,000 kids last year, 65,000 kids this year. that's a lot of new yorkers being positively affected by a policy that's brand new. sveum the affordable housing
policy. same with reduction of stop and frisk. 700,000 kids were stopped in 2011, now they're not. >> but opponents come after you. whether it's tea party rallies or the front page of the "new york post," they'll come. is. >> every good progressive should recognize that. they came for barack obama, he got reelected and reelected handily so i think the point here is be resolute, be consistent, be as fast as possible in achieving a core set of early definitional victories that actually reach people's lives. that's what i've learned. >> what is your relationship with the governor like right now? >> look, the governor and i have known each other for a long time. we obviously have real areas of disagreement. real ideological differences. >> have you talked recently? >> oh, we talk, certainly. >> was it a mistake to call him out? >> i'm very comfortable when i
express my views and do it from the that is right that's the right thing to do. but i think the bigger question is not about personalities, it's about how we move the political dialogue and how we change things. the governor came out with the $15 minimum wage. i called far in my state of the city address in february, that's something our progressive agenda made a core plank of back in may and that's the fight for 15 i think is one of the best things we've mean? a long time in this country has been extraordinarily successful movement. that's what changes people. that's what moves things and so sometimes i think kind of a very strong dialogue is what helps to move things. >> final question -- are you excited to meet the pope? >> absolutely. the pope is playing a role in the world today that i can't find a previous parallel for.
john xxiii had such a reach, but this pope, the combination of how he touches people, the sheer physicality and the way he embraces people of all kinds. his willingness to speak truth, obviously a progressive agenda rooted in previous struggles i don't think popes before have experienced. what he said about poverty and income inequality, the challenges he's made to the free enterprise system to reform itself, what he said about climate change, the encyclical, it was an extraordinary, sharp, powerful document. i think he's the leading progressive voice in the world today. i do, and i don't think i would have expected to say that about a pope but i don't think there is any doubt. >> mayor bill de blasio, real pressure. >> thank you. we're following breaking news after an 8.3 quake struck off the coast of central chile. moments ago a buoy off the coast
registered a 15-foot water rise which indicates tsunami waves but it's unclear if the waves are heading towards land. the quake hit west of illapel and the mayor says one person has died. the town is currently without power. the quake was felt throughout central chile and western argentina. officials in the u.s. have issued a tsunami watch for hawaii. that's "all in." the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening. >> we'll keep an eye on that as well. as chris mentioned, a tsunami watch issued for hawaii. the early indications can be scary, they don't always end up being a scary thing, particularly given the direction in which these things move over the course of the -- over the surface of the ocean but we'll watch that closely tonight and let you know as we learn more. but thank you for joining us. thank you for being with us. let's be honest, i know why