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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," making history. pope francis in cuba for a visit like no other. drawing throngs of people engaging cuban leader raul castro and meeting 89-year-old fidel castro ahead of his trip to washington and new york and finally the world meeting of families in philadelphia. >> translator: to greet the pilgrims and the people of philadelphia when i come for the world meeting for families. i will be there because you will be there. see you in philadelphia. >> church and state. ben carson shocks the political world with this statement to chuck todd on "meet the press." >> i believe that islam is consistent with the
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constitution? >> no, i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. double down. donald trump's not very subtle birther comment. another dig at the president's faith. when chuck asked him if he's okay with a muslim president. >> would i be comfortable? i don't know if we have to address it right now but i think it is certainly something that could happen. >> you said you would have no problem putting a muslim -- >> some people have said it already happened, frankly, but of course you wouldn't agree with that. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. following the reaction to controversial statements made by republican presidential candidate ben carson, who told chuck todd on "meet the press" that being muslim would disqualify anyone from being
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president. >> does the president's faith matter? should your faith matter to voters? >> i guess it depends on what that faith is. if it's inconsistent with the values and principles of america, then of course it should matter. but if it fits within the realm of america and consistent with the constitution, no problem. >> so do you believe that islam is consistent with the constitution? >> no, i don't. i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> and would you ever consider voting for a muslim for congress? >> congress is a different story but it depends on who that muslim is and what their policies are. >> now, the facts are that article 6 of the u.s. constitution prohibits any test of faith as a qualification for our nation's highest office. a fact echoed by leaders of the
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council on american islamic relations this morning. >> his views are inconsistent with the united states constitution. for that we really urge politicians, the general public, community leaders, presidential candidates, to repudiate his views and we ask mr. ben carson to withdraw from the presidential race because he's unfit to lead, because his views are in contradiction with the united states constitution. >> joining me now for our daily fix, chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and founder of the "washington post" fix blog, editor jial columnist ruth marc and kristen welker, covering the political campaign. first to you, ruth, constitutional law is pretty clear. i thought this we had resolved this back when john f. kennedy was running and went to houston, gave a speech explaining that
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the church, the vatican would not rule him, that he would take an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states. it came up again when jimmy carter, you know, reborn christian, baptist, was running in 1976. >> i don't think you need to be a lawyer or spend a minute in law school to know this is really outrageous, really not consistent with american values and really shameful. i would like to know what dr. carson would say to the third grade girl who is muslim but who stands up in class every morning and says the pledge of allegiance and explain to her why she can't think of herself as in his view, as a possible president of the united states. it's just wrong. and other republican candidates like everybody else ought to be willing to say so. >> the carson campaign has put out a statement, chris cillizza. let me share, he did not say that a muslim should be prevented from running in any way, while carson has serious
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reservations about it, he believes in the wisdom of the american people to ultimately decide whether a muslim candidate for president would be appropriate to serve. he just doesn't believe the american people are ready for that. should it be a matter of whether the american people are ready for it, the polling which clearly might be behind what ben carson said, or should it be a matter of law? >> well, look, to me, the ideas that dr. carson is putting out there which is dangerous and i think wrong, is that let's say we elected someone of the muslim faith in the white house, they would be a muslim first and president of the united states second. we went through some of this still with barack obama in 2008, the idea that an african-american guy is going to be an african-american guy or president? president obama ran quite clearly as a president for all people. it's fascinating timing that this happens as the pope is about to arrive in d.c. the next few days because as you pointed out and ruth mentioned, this was
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the whole john kennedy thing in 1960. the idea is he going to take his orders from the pope. we don't, i thought as a catholic, i thought we were sort of beyond that. maybe with catholicism, dr. carson would suggest we're not all the way there with islam although i don't know how prevalent his view is. i know he is not the only person that holds that view. but i would remind people that we have been through this before with catholicism. i think it is a dangerous and slippery slope to go down. >> kristen welker, with hillary clinton returning to little rock, she will be there later today, an organizing event. she's in louisiana right now. she has tweeted out a personal tweet on this. can a muslim be president of the united states of america. in a word, yes. now let's move on. this has been something that she has leaped on. she was the first candidate in either party to jump in with a tweet thursday night on what donald trump had said.
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>> that's right. we have seen secretary clinton more aggressively go after republicans for some of these controversial comments and her tactic is to really try to paint the entire party with the brush of some of these controversial comments, which have typically come from donald trump, by the way. so she's really used donald trump as a foil to do that. today, of course, it is ben carson. i wouldn't be surprised if we saw her do it again later today verbally when she appears here in arkansas. it's something that i think is helping her to gain a little bit of traction to go back on offense to get away from being on defense over that e-mail controversy. she seems to be picking up some traction in the polls, of course we got that kcnn/orc poll which shows clinton expanding her lead, leading sanders 42% to 24% with vice president biden in the race. look what happens if biden drops out of the race. clinton's lead jumps to 57% with sanders only netting 28%. of course, a lot of buzz about whether vice president biden is
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going to get into this race. the clinton campaign watching that very closely. but the republicans helping her to move on and gain a little bit of traction here. >> speaking of that, take a look at what happened when donald trump went on the "today" show with savannah and went after carly fiorina. >> i think when people find out what a horrible job she did in business running two companies into the ground, i think that she lost to barbara boxer in a landslide. >> why do you think she's surging now? >> because she's got a good line of pitter-patter. if you listen to her speaking, it's the same line i will speak to my friend bibi netanyahu. she says the same thing over and over and over but a lot of people didn't hear it in the debate. a lot of it's robotic. you hear it and it's robotic. >> ruth? >> of all the people to complain about people saying the same thing over and over. donald trump might not be the
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best messenger of that. pitter-patter has a bit of a dismissive attitude. i want to say one thing about the ben carson campaign response which is we see this again and again in this campaign. we saw it from donald trump on carly fiorina's face where candidates or their campaigns say what you just heard the candidate say, he didn't say. we can't let them get away with that. because we heard what dr. carson said. it's not what his campaign now says he said. >> another point was what trump said i believe on abc to stephanopoulos about how it gives him a headache to listen to carly fiorina. what is that resonant of? >> i don't know. what do you think? >> exactly. >> the vapors. >> i think women all over america, just to paraphrase. thank you very much, ruth, kristen and of course, our friend chris cillizza. as joe biden's travels keep the speculation going about whether or not he's going to jump into the race, biden has
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confessed, if you will, to matt malone of an american media magazine. >> we're just not, you know, just not quite there yet and i may not get there in time to make it feasible to be able to run and succeed because there are certain windows that will close. but if that's it, that's it. it's not like i can rush it. >> democratic strategist bob shrum joins me from l.a. good to see you. you had joe biden in california, he has dinner with mayor garcetti there, he goes on to michigan, he's traveling in and out of cars with the mayor of detroit. he goes on to ohio, another battleground state, he's talking to all the political leaders at every step of the way, and going through his thinking. this is really creating a lot of turmoil, i'd say, in the
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democratic -- among democratic rank and file and elected leaders. what are you hearing? >> well, turmoil among some people. some other people feel very strongly that he should run. i don't know whether he's going to run. the clinton campaign, by the way, i have heard this from several people, is pushing very hard to get some big endorsements to try to deter biden from running. that clip we just saw, if he runs, that's the candidate we are going to get. he's going to say what he thinks, he's not going to be poll tested, he's not going to be doing talking points. he's going to be out there saying what he thinks. by the way, some of the things that people have raised i think are just completely wrong. if he starts, he'll be ready. he'll have a message, he'll talk about being from the middle class and for the middle class. i don't know if he will use those words. he's got some very smart strategic people around him, including my former partner, mike donlin. the real question is whether he can raise the money. he can raise a lot of super pac money if he wants a super pac
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fast, but raising the $2700 donations is difficult. of course, he's got to travel around as vice president. he can't go on southwest airlines. maybe he could get on the train, though, take the vermonter up to new hampshire. he's pretty used to being on trains. >> and loves the train and they love him. you know, one of the other pieces of this is the timing. i'm told that part of the calculation is he does not want to be the democrat who sidetracks the first woman who could be president of the united states. so he would be ready and willing to come in if he could at that point to rescue the party if she were to somehow derail, say the benghazi committee or some other e-mail controversy makes it seem as though she could not be a viable general election candidate, but that he does not want to come and take her down, which would argue against getting in in time to go on that debate stage just prior to her having to testify to congress,
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doesn't it? >> i'm not sure that waiting around like that and looking like you're going to do it only if she falls apart doesn't undo all that he's about, and doesn't make him look like he's calculating and acting in a very political way. i think if he's going to run, if he's decided that he can do this, then he ought to do it, he ought to do it soon, not tomorrow, but he ought to do it soon, and he ought to be on that debate stage and give democrats a choice. >> we have new numbers that are just out from our survey monkey, nbc news online poll. we have gone through the methodology on this and this is a very interesting snapshot. hillary clinton at 42%, bernie sanders at 29%, joe biden inching up from i think 11% last time we checked, now at 15%. but as a lot of the polling has indicated, it's the joe biden factor in there which is taking more from hillary clinton.
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she bumps up quite a bit without joe biden in the race. >> that's certainly true. look, he has i think at this point the best favorable/unfavorable rating in the democratic party. if he runs, i suspect it will be a whole new race. a lot of people will step back, take a look at it and they'll listen to that debate. that debate would become very, very important. there's a hardcore of people who are always going to be with hillary and one of biden's problems, by the way, is eugene mccarthy problem. the folks who are with bernie sanders are with bernie sanders. it will be very tough to peel them off. >> quick question. let's say he's on the debate stage. you're coaching him for the debate. how does he answer the question it was against the advice of the white house that anyone have private e-mail system. you were secretary of state. how does he answer that question? he can't duck that question. >> well, he didn't make the decision to have a private e-mail server. i think he would probably say look, i have a government e-mail server, i think everybody ought to have a government e-mail server but we avoid direct
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criticism of hillary clinton. >> thank you very much, bob. >> you're welcome. putin's army. what is russia's military up to in syria? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." it's so shiny. i know, mommy, but it's time to let the new kitchen get some sleep. ♪ if you want beautiful results, you know where to go. angie's list.
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secretary of state john kerry announced yesterday the u.s. will take more refugees than planned, up to 85,000 in 2016, after bipartisan criticism that the u.s. is not doing enough. i'm joined by daniel serwer, former state department special envoy, director of conflict management at the johns hopkins school of advanced international studies, scholar at the middle
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east institute. can the u.s. even manage this? because i have interviewed syrian refugees who are still waiting in limbo, there's a backlog even of the 10,000 from syria that we were supposed to be taking in or that we were talking about taking in. there's a backlog even of the current number, the hundreds, because they don't have enough arabic speakers or screeners, there are other security concerns, concern about infiltration from isis. how are we going to manage this commitment? >> i don't know that we will manage it particularly well. but i'm not sure it matters, because we are such a small part of the solution here. we've got over four million people who have left syria. we are talking about taking in a few thousand, maybe 10,000, maybe 30,000 eventually or something like that. we're nothing in comparison to the problem which is a political problem in syria and has to be resolved inside syria. >> so this is not europe's problem?
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we know there's a bug meetiig mn wednesday, the european commission. europe has had differing responses. obviously this is a political challenge to the european union. that said, syria is as you point out the issue that none of us have addressed for years. >> that's the big problem. the big problem is a proxy war in syria between saudis and iranians, a rebellion within the country against a cruel and harsh dictatorship that cracked down very hard on non-violent demonstrations. we've got a serious problem inside syria that has now generated the islamic state, and we don't seem to have any means adequate to deal with it. >> what is our game plan with putin? what is putin's game plan? >> well, hard to tell what putin's game plan is, but it's deployment of russians to syria
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is a sign of the weakness in the syrian regime. if the russians were confident that the syrian regime could protect the russian port, they wouldn't be putting 1500, 2,000 russians in harm's way. so it's a sign of weakness of the regime. putin wants to make it appear to be a united effort with our campaign against the islamic state, but it isn't, really, because he won't distinguish between the islamic state and other insurgents. >> should we work with putin on this? should the president meet with him at the u.n.? do we need to work with him now? >> we have to work with the russians on some things, in particular we have to deconflict our aircraft, our military operations with the russian military operation. no question about that. we must talk to them about that. but whether the cooperation can be extended any further than that, depends on whether the
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russians are willing to give up on bashar al assad and i don't think there's any indication that they are willing to give up on him. >> all the signals coming from john kerry is that we are now resigned to dealing with assad for the time future. >> we'll have to deal with assad as long as he's there, but i think it's quite clear to the americans also that this rebellion in syria can't end with assad still there. assad cannot assert control over the whole territory of syria. the opposition will continue fighting as long as he's there. so we're still at an impasse with the russians and the iranians. i don't see much positive to come out of this russian initiative which frankly, is destabilizing in a certain sense also by introducing still another factor into a very confused and chaotic situation. >> professor dan serwer, thank you so much. good to see you.
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in boston this morning, rochelle bond, the mother of bella, the 2-year-old whose body has been bound in june has been held on $1 million. her boyfriend is held without bail, charged with bella's death. bella's biological father says the child's mother told him the little girl was killed by her boyfriend because he believed she was possessed by demons. >> why do you have sympathy for rochelle? >> because i know she didn't do it. >> thins is all on mccarthy? >> yeah. he's the one that did it. >> bella's remains were found washed up on a boston area beach june 25th. investigators called her baby doe as they were searching for her identity. up next, up close and personal. pope francis greeting crowds lining the streets in cuba. but who was held back? stay with us.
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pope francis is in eastern cuba today where he celebrated mass this morning. later he will visit one of the country's holiest sites. yesterday the pope held extraordinary meetings with president raul castro and with, in fact, his brother fidel, the former leader of cuba. after holding mass in havana's revolution square. several dissidents were held back as they tried to approach pope francis. they have not been able to come to their meetings. we are joined from cuba. it's great to see you, claudio. how important is this visit to cuba for this latin american, the first latin american pope?
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>> reporter: well, i couldn't hear the question very well so i'll just get going with what i saw today with the pope. now the pope is still in the east of the country. this is a very important visit to that particular town because it is the first pope ever to visit that town even though he's the third pope in less than 20 years to visit the island. he's finished now mass, he's going to -- he will go next to what is called the cross hill, where there is a 15 feet hill that overlooks the whole of the town. we haven't seen any kind of -- any of the incidents during that mass that we have seen yesterday when three people, at least three people tried to rush the pope with chants of freedom and tried to throw leaflets at him. one got very close to him. we have seen only a big banner in the crowd of someone holding it up that says -- that said the truth sets you free. now of course, you can read it both religiously and
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politically, depends on how you want to read it. later on, he is going to fly out to santiago, where he is going to visit the holy shrine of the patron saint of this island, the lady of charity. tomorrow he will say mass in a basilica that bears her name. he is expected to land in washington at 4:00 p.m. tomorrow and that will be the start of his american tour. >> thank you so much. first of all, the excitement about him being there will certainly be reflected here in the united states as well, where massive preparations are under way here in washington and new york, where the pope will be visiting. at the same time as 170 heads of state converge on the united nations. it's being described as the single largest security operation in the history of the u.s. nbc news has obtained a document saying law enforcement is concerned terrorists could try to launch deadly attacks during the pope's visit by
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impersonating police officers, firefighters and other first responders. joining me is john garvey, president of catholic university of america where the pope will hold mass on wednesday. this is an extraordinary honor for catholic university, well due, and also a huge responsibility with the crowds expected and the security concerns. >> it certainly is. this is something we ought to be used to by now. this is the third pope to visit catholic university. pope benedict was here in 2008 and saint john paul in 1979. it seems like there's a bigger operation going on this time around. we've got miles of bicycle rack and fences, we have been working with the secret service since march. the security preparations are extreme, as you said. >> this is a pope, he is first of all the first jesuit pope and the first pope in modern times that we know of who wants to embrace the crowd, wants to move into the crowds. he reaches out to people. so he is by his very nature and that's part of his mission.
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>> hard to contain. >> hard to contain. >> it's a very different thing. when pope john paul visited the campus of catholic university in 1979, part of the security detail was our football team. >> really? >> yes. not the sort of thing we would do now adiadaysnowadays. i was in rio when the pope visited there and he was in an open car and people were throwing teeshirts and flowers. one man jumped out of the crowd and handed him a cup to drink which the pope did. i think with that sort of willingness to engage with people -- >> we should point out regarding havana and the rule of law there, that when the pope visited in 1998, which was john paul, there were very few -- there were major restrictions, i'm told that in fact some of the priests were working underground to perform holy
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rites with their parishioners. now when you see the pope 20 years later, less than 20 years later in revolution square with the cuban flag and meeting raul and fidel castro, there -- >> it is certainly a different climate for which pope francis can take some credit. he has intervened in relations between cuba and the united states and has brought them to a better -- >> in fact, he was a very important interlocutor in the secret talks. >> he was. his effect in the united states has been felt in much the same way. when "time" magazine named him man of the year in 2013, they said he had changed the music although not the words for what the catholic church was having to say. i think that's a good way of expressing the kind of warmth and openness that people are feeling toward him. >> some of the reporting from inside the vatican seems to indicate that some of his anti-corruption, anti-vatican
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bank efforts have been resisted and that he assumes to feel his time is limited and he wants to do as much reform as he can while he is there, because the hierarchy could reassert control. >> the stories that you got around the time of his election were that the cardinals were particularly interested in his reforming the curia, the vatican bank, alongside and i think those measures have been important measures, successful. the card untinal from australia been a forceful reformer and has achieved good results. it's like changing an american bureaucracy. we have a new president, a democrat follows a republican and he can change who the secretaries are but the level of bureaucracy below that is going to long survive you. it's a very difficult thing to change all together. >> it will be fascinating to watch him. thank you for taking the time. huge week for you.
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>> thank you for having me. keep it right here on msnbc. starting tomorrow, 3:00 p.m. eastern, special coverage of pope francis' arrival, his visit to america, the president and vice president both going to andrews air force base to greet him. unprecedented mark of respect. coming up next, motown, model cars and martin luther king jr. the lessons we can learn from detroit in 1963. so what about that stock? sure thing, right? actually, knowing the kind of risk that you're comfortable with, i'd steer clear. really? really. straight talk. now based on your strategy i do have some other thoughts... multiplied by 13,000 financial advisors it's a big deal. and it's how edward jones makes sense of investing.
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at the height of its greatness in the early 1960s, detroit was a bustling, vibrant city called the herald of hope in america by president lyndon johnson with its booming auto industry. it was a mecca for middle class america and for music as the birthplace of motown records. but detroit's fall is chronicled
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in this book. i'm joined by the author. david, it is great to see you. congratulations on this. >> thank you for having me on your show. >> when you're talking about detroit in the '60s, i remember all through my childhood, every year with the model cars coming out, that was a very big deal. then motown. how can we say -- how can we explain as you do in this book, the impact of motown on my growing up, yours? >> it was the sound track of our lives, of our teenaged years, absolutely. this book is meant to do two things. the first is to sort of honor what detroit meant to america. certainly, motown was a great part of it. the creativity of barry gordy and his fabulous group of singers from stevie wonder and marvin gay to the supremes and the temptations. the auto industry was booming, selling more cars in 1963 than ever before. but there were other things involved, too.
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which was the important role that labor played, the united auto workers helping bring the working class into the middle class and also for civil rights. the uaw and its president were very key in sort of bankrolling the important civil rights movement of that era. >> you reveal something that i certainly had never known, that the "i have a dream" speech which of course was the center point of the march on washington, really was previewed in detroit by martin luther king, jr. >> isn't that something? june 23, 1963, a few months before the march on washington, martin luther king came to detroit at the invitation of reverend c.l. franklin, father of aretha, and led a march, the largest civil rights march to that point inhistory, where king introduced his first iteration of the speech. >> how did it happen?
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it couldn't just have been the challenge by japan in the auto industry in the '80s. what happened to detroit? and how can people, can leaders of the city now address that? >> well, that's the other aspect of my book. in 1963, with all of this going on, this luminescence was also a dying light. i point out that the structural problems were already there. they had to do with it being a one industry town and the industry actually moving out of detroit into the suburbs and around the country and around the world. i had to do with housing discrimination. it had to do with urban renewal. all of these sort of -- and racial tensions all coming together to create the problems in detroit that a sociologist in 1963 predicted exactly what was going to happen. he said that they would lose -- it would depopulate by a half million people every decade from then on. the lessons are really to pay attention to the long term, not just go for short-term gains. >> when you talk about one
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industry towns, i think of pittsburgh and steel, and how en they lost steel and when bill clinton was campaigning there in 1992, everyone said it was the end of pittsburgh. but a combination of civic virtues and also retooling and reinvesting in the medical industry and new technologies changed pittsburgh and revitalized it. >> pittsburgh is totally revitalized. detroit is taking the first steps toward that. you know, for a decade, perhaps, it was considered the city of ruins. people would go there just to look at the empty buildings. i have noticed every time i have gone back in my research and now that the book has come out, there's a little more energy, a little more hope. downtown is starting to revitalize. people are investing in it. young people are moving there. they can have the same creativity motown had 50 years ago. the first steps are being taken, but until you can bring back the backbone of detroit which is that working middle class, it can't be called a complete renaissance.
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>> so the fascination that you had with detroit, i have always been interestd in why you choose your subjects, david. how did you become so invested in it? >> it started with the eminem commercial for chrysler at the 2011 super bowl where he's driving through the streets and you see the mural and the joe lewis fist and he walks into the fox theater and says this is the motor city, this what is we do. i teared up watching that. i was born in detroit. i lived there until i was 7 years old. that commercial, even though it was just trying to sell cars, sold me on something else which was to try to write about what detroit has done for america. >> the great david mariness, thank you so much. any time you write a book, we pay attention. you have done it again. >> thank you. coming up next, must-see tv as the emmys make history.
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>> this is the first emmy win and 16th nomination for jon hamm. >> it's been a terrible mistake, clearly. thank you for that. >> an emotional surprise, comedian tracy morgan made a triumphant return to the stage, receiving a standing ovation after recovering from a car crash. >> i finally regained consciousness, i was just ecstatic to learn that i wasn't the one who messed up. >> he hasn't lost his touch. history was made when viola davis became the first african-american woman to win best actress in a drama. >> the only thing that separates women of color from anyone else is opportunity. you cannot win an emmy for roles that are simply not there.
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the list of celebrities and be global activists is growing by the day. leonardo dicaprio, malala yousafzai, mark zuckerberg joining beyonce and cold play in central park in a call to action against extreme poverty across the world. the president of the world bank, and leading sponsor in the global poverty project, dr. kim, thank you for joining us. tell me about the world bank's mission and how it coincides with the global citizens festival. >> well, thanks for having me
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on. you know, we have two major goals. that's to end extreme poverty by 2030 and to boost shared prosperity. in other words, we want to boost the incomes of the bottom 40% throughout the developing world so that they do even better than everyone else in society over the next 15 years. there's a great story here. since about 25 years ago, there are almost two billion people living in extreme poverty and now it's less than a billion. we have made a lot of progress but making progress in the future is going to be difficult. many of the people living in extreme poverty live in the so-called fragile, conflict-afflicted states. we can't do it with just money or just policy. we need a global movement. that's why we are so excited about partnering with the global poverty project. >> it's extraordinary to have this amount of star power on one stage and to really communicate to the public these goals. are you more challenged than ever with the slowdown in
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china's economy, its effect around the globe, and also, the conflict zone in the middle east spreading, and we see this migration hitting europe. >> if you look at the situation for emerging market economies, they are going to face a lot of head winds. there's no question it will be more difficult for them to find access to capital, that the slowdown in the commodities market that's linked in some regard to what's happening in china, all these things are going to be real head winds in emerging markets but what we know is that there's a formula that has worked. if the economies can grow which is always going to be difficult, but if the economies can grow and have a bigger impact on poverty and the bottom 40% than before, we can make progress. if we invest in people, health, education, we know those things now are directly related to economic growth. finally, if we can provide programs like the conditional cash transfer, really social protection programs, we can prevent people from falling into
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poverty. so we actually have a game plan and with the kind of focus that this concert will bring and the commitment of all the partners, we think we can still get there. >> i want to also ask you given your medical background about an associated press investigation into the world health organization, really saying they dropped the ball in anticipating the ebola epidemic and responding quickly enough. >> well, you know, the biggest lesson coming out of ebola is that we all collectively failed. it wasn't just one organization. we all did. it brought to mind just how difficult it is. you know, i have been involved in many different epidemics. what you see is enormous fear, real terror, when the epidemic hits and then it goes right back to neglect. terror, neglect. that pattern goes over and over and over again. what we have promised is that this time we are not going to forget and we are going to really focus on putting together all the pieces that would be necessary in a system equal to
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the challenge. ebola was awful. it killed more than 10,000 people. it caused so much fear. we thought it was going to be exported to many other highly populated areas, but ebola is a slow-moving epidemic and the thing we really have to fear is a pandemic that looks more like the spanish flu epidemic in 1918. we are talking about tens of millions of people potentially killed and we are talking about anywhere from 5% to 10% of global gdp wiped out because everything would stop. that's $4 trillion to $8 trillion. we do not have a system capable of stopping that kind of pandemic but again, the good news is, we think we know what all the elements are to build that kind of system. we just can't forget this time and that is a pledge that i have made to all of our partners, all of the g-7, g-20, united nations. we cannot forget this time. we've got to build that system. >> thank you so much for that message, dr. kim from the world
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bank. don't forget, you can watch the global citizens festival this saturday right here on msnbc. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember, follow us online, on facebook and on twitter. i'll be back with more politics joining kate snow with her news show at 4:00. my colleague thomas roberts joins me with what's coming up next on "msnbc live." >> see you in a little while. we have a big couple hours ahead on "msnbc live" including my one-on-one with nba hall of famer kareem abdul-jabbar, practicing muslim for more than 40 years. he will react to how religion has invaded the 2016 race. we also speak with senator barbara boxer, who has a lot to say about surging presidential candidate carly fiorina. you remember the fiorina lost to the senator in california. plus philadelphia mayor michael nutter's city is prepping for the pope. this is no small undertaking, considering the amount of pilgrims coming to the city of brotherly love. (vo) maggie wasn't thrilled when ben and i got married.
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hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. in about 24 hours, pope francis scheduled to leave cuba and touch down in washington, d.c. for a tour of the northeast that lasts through sunday. the pope will be landing in the middle of a presidential season and a number of partisan debates over climate change, economic inequality and abortion. it's spexpected he may weigh inn some of these topics in speeches he's delivering in this historic visit which includes new york and philadelphia. the leader of the catholic church comes as a new debate has surfaced where it concerns muslims. on sunday, republican canndidat dr. ben carson was asked if a candidate's faith matters. he says a candidate's faith must be consistent with the constitution. here's more of what he had to say. >> do you believe islam is


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