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hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. in about 24 hours, pope francis scheduled to leave cuba and touch down in washington, d.c. for a tour of the northeast that lasts through sunday. the pope will be landing in the middle of a presidential season and a number of partisan debates over climate change, economic inequality and abortion. it's spexpected he may weigh inn some of these topics in speeches he's delivering in this historic visit which includes new york and philadelphia. the leader of the catholic church comes as a new debate has surfaced where it concerns muslims. on sunday, republican canndidat dr. ben carson was asked if a candidate's faith matters. he says a candidate's faith must be consistent with the constitution. here's more of what he had to say. >> do you believe islam is consistent with the
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constitution? >> no, i don't. i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> dr. carson's camp later clarified that remark, saying muslims could certainly run but their faith may be at odds with the constitution, similar to something once said of catholics and the presidency. these comments and the pope's visit come as donald trump weathers his own muslim controversy. in this one, he did not refute a questioner at a rally that said that president obama was a muslim and that america should get rid of them. here's his defense today on the "today" show. >> i assume that i was talking about radical islam. again, no matter where you turn, you're reading about it and you're seeing it. it's an amazing problem. it's a very big problem. i fully understand the muslims great people. i have many friends and they're great friends and by the way, they're concerned with radical islam, too. but i assumed that that's what
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he was talking about. >> much more on politics in a moment, but first, more on the pope. nbc is live in havana. it certainly is pope-mania as francis is seen throughout the streets there. explain what's going to happen as the pope gives a blessing in just a few hours. >> reporter: yes, well, the pope is in the eastern part of the country. this is a town that no pope has visited before. even though he is the third pope to visit this island in less than 20 years. why is that town so important? it is the birthplace of raul and fidel castro. of course, that's not why he's there. he's there because that's the place where it is said the patron saint of the lady of charity made the first miraculous appearance in the 17th century. he has acknowledged during his homily that the great effort and sacrifice the church had to make throughout 60 years since the
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revolution of course. well then next he is going to santiago in the north of the country, another important town because that's where the shrine of the patron saint of the island is. he will pray there and say mass at the basilica that bears the name of the patron saint before he leaves for washington, d.c., lands there at 4:00 p.m. and it will be a very different trip. >> we are seeing certain people that are sidelining the streets there this morning in cuba. the crowds, are they as big as everyone anticipated so far in cuba? >> reporter: well, pretty much. yesterday there were more than 200,000 people in revolution square in havana, then today the vatican said there were as many as 150,000 people. of course, not everybody was there to greet the pope and celebrate him. there were some dissidents who tried to make their voices heard. yesterday here in havana, two or three tried to rush the pope while he was in the popemobile, chanting freedom, trying to throw leaflets at him.
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one even got very close to him. there was also word that the pope wanted to meet some of them, just not for a meeting but just for a meet and greet, and they were prevented from accessing the pope or even going to the mass. the leader of the dissident group said many arrests were made so that they couldn't get to the mass or even close to the mass. well now today, we haven't seen any of these kind of incidents but we have seen someone holding a big banner that said the truth sets you free. of course, that could be a religious or political message. depends on how you want to read it. >> claudio, thank you very much. >> back here at home in advance of the pope's visit, there is this intersection of politics and religion. joining us is molly ball, who covers politics for the atlantic. great to have you with me. obviously when we think of the pope and u.s. politics we think of issues that have been championed by democrats, inequality, economic proportions, immigration reform,
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climate change, criminal just is the reform, even the iran deal. republicans, however, think they have an ally in the pope because of abortion. in fact, the senate has this procedural vote on a bill that would ban abortions at 20 weeks. how are the parties handling his arrival, especially the speech that he's about to make before congress on thursday? it's kind of anybody's guess as to how he will use that moment. >> that's right. the pope has proved to be an extremely skilled politician, very skilled communicator, really effective at getting a message across. as you say, even though he still has those conservative stances on social issues which republicans have traditionally used to embrace previous popes, he's really emphasized much more the teachings about social justice and inequality and the environment, so you have now a real reversal from previous popes where it's democrats who are tying to amplify the pope's message and almost ride his coattails to really enlist him
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as an ally. the president has praised the pope extensively and the white house has tried to take the pope's message about softening the excesses of capitalism and point to that as support for a lot of the president's policies. so we have already had one republican member of congress said he will boycott the pope's speech because he doesn't agree with him on climate change but the pope is very popular among liberals and conservatives alike. so it will be interesting to see how he fits in. he isn't a part of our political system but inevitably there are attempts to shoehorn him into the liberal conservative divide here in america. >> as we talk about that, look at the amount of republicans who are currently running for president that are catholic. jeb bush, chris christie, bobby jindal, george pataki, mark santorum, democrat martin o'malley. republicans will question the remarks of this pope, especially when he talks about climate change. so are republicans having to walk a fine line with their
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faith and politics currently, especially with the pope here this week? >> they are. i think it's been uncomfortable for several of those catholic republicans that you mentioned. it really makes you think back to the days when democrats who were catholic had to answer a lot of uncomfortable questions such as when john kerry was denied communion because of his views on abortion. now it's the republicans who are being put in a tough spot by the pontiff. that is a bit of a reversal from past years. again, it's not because this pope is really different ideologically. it's more because of the issues he sought to emphasize and the messages he has driven in a much more aggressive way. >> decades ago, catholicism seemed to be something of a disqualifier to get into the white house and now we are talking about islam being a disqualifier to get to the white house. dr. ben carson's remarks over the weekend, here are two other presidential candidates refuting them. we have scott walker and lindsey graham coming out strongly
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against carson. >> to me, i think the american people are going to decide who the president is based on the merits of their positions and their qualifications, not based on their religious beliefs. >> i think this shows that dr. carson is not ready to be commander in chief. he said that he didn't believe somebody of the muslim faith could be loyal to the constitution. my belief is that the 3500, approximate 3500 american muslims wearing the uniform of the united states military are loyal to their country. they are fighting and dying for their nation. >> there are certain folks that are calling for carson to drop out. we have hillary clinton on the left tweeting can a muslim be president of the u.s. of america? in a word yes. now let's move on. so obviously these comments can make sense for carson, somebody who is wooing evangelicals, but how much does this sting for the general election? >> well, i think the way that this relates to the pope's visit is this pope has really
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emphasized a message of tolerance and inclusiveness. so when you have debates about a religious test for office which is sprooexpressly forbidden by words of the constitution, it juxtaposes strongly with a pope who even as he has been the leader of a single religious sect has appealed to a lot of non-catholics with that message of inclusion. it's a real contrast to the rhetoric coming from someone like ben carson which is so exclusionary and which might have a certain constituency on the right but i don't think is the way most americans think about religion. >> thank you for your time. we are learning new details of the pope's jam-packed schedule. my colleague francis rivera has been working on the schedule of events and he is a busy guy and known to go off script, too. >> he is. that's why it will be a little tough, especially when it comes to security. as far as his schedule, this is
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what we have so far. pope francis leaves cuba tomorrow and arrives at joint base andrews in washington, d.c. tomorrow afternoon. that happens around 4:00 p.m. a big day in the nation's capital. the pope will start his day meeting with president obama on the south lawn and then the papal parade will go along the national mall followed by prayer at st. matthew's cathedral. his day concludes with a canonization mass at the basilica of the national shrine of the immaculate conception. thursday, pope francis will address a joint meeting of congress. he starts his day that way. then the pontiff meets with the homeless at st. patrick's in d.c. then in the afternoon at 4:00 p.m. he heads to new york city. right after landing at jfk the pope will go to st. patrick's cathedral in midtown manhattan for evening prayer at 6:45. gridlock alert from friday, when he addresses the united nations general assembly in the morning before going downtown to visit the 9/11 memorial. then he will go uptown and visit
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students at our lady queen of angels school in east harlem followed with a procession through central park. around 5:00 p.m. he will celebrate mass at madison square garden. then that concludes that day. to saturday now, the pope travels to philadelphia. he will say mass at cathedral basilica of st. peter and paul. finally on sunday he meets with bishops at st. charles borromeo ceremony. after that he goes to the curran-fromhold correctional facility will he meets with inmates and that afternoon will say mass at the world meeting of families. he will have his farewell ceremony at the airport in philadelphia and after that, he wraps up this jam-packed week and heads back home to the vatican in rome. lots going on from then and now. >> it is jam-packed schedule. i'm keeping these hard copy
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skrip scripts because you did a great job with that. thanks so much. vice president joe biden also had a lot to say about the pope. we are waiting to hear from him at the white house's champions of change event which honors people for building bridges between youth and law enforcement. here's what he told the catholic magazine "america." quote, he's the embodiment of catholic social doctrine that i was raised with. the idea that everyone's entitled to dignity, that the poor should be given special preference, that you have an obligation to reach out and be inclusive. on running for president, biden said he won't rush his decision because ultimately, it must be good for his family. see you in philadelphia. pope francis sends a video message to the city of brotherly love and does so in english. we will ask mayor michael nutter of philadelphia how his city is prepping about the welcome for the pontiff, the unusual plans that need to go into effect, especially for the many pilgrims
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just days ahead of his first visit to the u.s., pope francis recorded a short video greeting welcoming all those planning to trek to philadelphia to see him at the vatican's world meeting of families. >> i look forward to greeting the pilgrims and the people of philadelphia when i come for the world meeting for families. i will be there because you will
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be there. see you in philadelphia. >> see you in philadelphia. that was really cool. joining us is philadelphia mayor michael nutter. mayor nutter, great to have you with me. you are expecting, especially when we say see you in philadelphia, you are expecting about one million people, pilgrims, to come into the city for the visit. what's the biggest concern with that quick pop of so many traveling in? >> well, first, we cannot be more excited in philadelphia to be the host city for the world meeting of families. it's the first time the world meeting of families has ever taken place in the united states of america and the vatican chose philadelphia, and i was just laughing as i was hearing that video, seeing that about half a dozen times now. eigh it's really great to hear pope francis' voice and talking about philadelphia at the same time. what we're expecting is a whole lot of people. we are gearing up, we're ready. if folks are in philadelphia
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right now, seeing this, you will see any number of activities out on the ben franklin parkway, you will see the infrastructure being built, certainly placement of materials, bike rack, all that kind of stuff, strategically located in the city right now. it's easy to get around philadelphia and folks know that pope francis and a whole lot of other folks are going to be here this weekend. the world meeting starts tomorrow, on tuesday, but the visit is, as you mentioned, saturday and sunday. we are thrilled. >> so certainly a lot is impacted for those in philadelphia. mail delivery, elective surgery, schools opening, even deliveries for babies. so talk about whose visit, you know, with all the visitors coming in, who foots this bill and has the city come to an agreement with the world meeting of families on the proper contract over that? >> a couple things. first of all, as best we know, all the hospitals and all the
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women who may be expecting potentially over the course of the weekend, as best we can tell, they are all squared away. they know what they need to do and we expect that babies will be delivered over the course of the weekend. they don't wait for anybody. >> no. >> so that's certainly going to happen. >> there's the expectant moms and the ones that think they have a few more weeks and the baby says today's the day. >> the babies usually win that fight. we're geared up for that. we have been working with all of our partners, hospitals, businesses, restaurants, hotels, everyone, to make sure they can get employees in as well as product and be able to deliver services. virtually all the businesses are open for this event and we have been working with all of our partners, u.s. secret service, of course, the lead law enforcement agency. but the world meeting of families, we have worked diligently toward making sure this event is quite successful, quite exciting, spiritual in
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nature but also joyous as the pope mentioned. he is looking forward to seeing all the pilgrims. we are as well. it will be a whole lot of fun and excitement. a once in a lifetime opportunity here in philadelphia. >> will you have a one-on-one with the pope and if so, what do you hope to impart? what do you want that conversation to be? >> well, a couple things. certainly i will be greeting him at philadelphia international airport. the vatican decides how long the pope meets with anyone or what the timing is. i have met pope francis fortunately on two previous occasions but i will certainly greet him at the airport. i will talk briefly about what's been going on in the city, the joy and the spirituality that goes with his visit. certainly he is visiting as was mentioned in the intro one of our prisons to, part of his ministry is for those who have been left out or left behind. issues that many face in philadelphia and across america. our lgbt community in many instances still feeling the
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sting of discrimination. pope francis talks about income inequality and the impact on immigrants, making a speech about immigrants and religious freedom. african-american and latino communities, still suffering tremendously from the great recession, and education of our children are at the top of the list. so i don't know how much -- >> lot to cover. >> those are the kinds of things i would like to talk with pope francis which are completely consistent with his ministry and mission around the world. >> last but not least, philadelphia foodies want to know will you be presenting a hoagie at any point? >> i announced the other day a new wawa opened at broad and walnut. there will be a debate over whether he gets a hoagie or classic philadelphia cheesesteak. i suggest give him both, he will then decide which he wants to have. lot of food. >> philadelphia mayor michael nutter, great to see you. thanks for your time. days after baby doe was identified as little bella bond, dramatic moments at today's
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their department of homeland security before entering the u.s. the announcement comes amid growing calls for the u.s. to do more on this growing crisis. now breaking news out of boston. francis is following that for us. >> a lot of horrific and heartbreaking details coming out of court there. it was an emotionally charged arraignment today. the mother of the 2-year-old girl identified as bella is being held on $1 million bond and her boyfriend held without bail. the little girl's identity has been a mystery for months since her remains washed up inside a trash bag on boston harbor. nbc's ron mott was in court for the arraignment. i understand bellbella's biolog father spoke to the press. >> reporter: he is asking the question a lot of folks are asking. what responsibility did the commonwealth have to check into this child's home life given her mother's history with her own children. she has three children, two of them had previously been surrendered to the state. so a lot of folks are asking why did bella stay with this mother
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gi given her history. >> she's responsible for a lot of this because our interest was with bella. we knew that bella was in a bad situation and she needed to be pulled from it. >> reporter: the governor charlie baker says that's something they will look into. why this child was left with this mother who has a history of not being a very good parent. at least in the eyes of the state. back to you. >> ron mott, thank you for the update. still to come, one of the most iconic names in latin american music is taking on donald trump with a new song. he says we're all mexican. ahead of the pope's historic visit, don't miss part one of thomas' one-on-one conversation with a group of catholics standing firm in their faith despite being sidelined by the church and its teachings. why do so many people choose aleve? it's the brand more doctors recommend for minor arthritis pain. plus, just two aleve can last all day. you'd need 6 tylenol arthritis to do that.
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planned parenthood president cecile richards will appear before a house committee next week as the senate is expected to defeat a measure passed through the house last week that would defund planned parenthood for a year, all linked to the controversial video and that's not all. the senate is debating a bill that would ban most abortions after 20 weeks. nbc's luke russert is covering it for us from the hill. there is a lot to cover on this, because a lot of people suspect this is just a smaller issue to get to a larger problem of a government shutdown. >> reporter: that's right, thomas. also, there is criticism about this 20-week abortion bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks from harry reid, the democratic minority leader, saying it was intentionally put on the senate floor a few days before the pope's visit to capitol hill as a political show. but part of this is also the play by the gop leadership to try and show pro-life conservatives they are serious about pushing a pro-life agenda while they have the majority. this boils into what you
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mentioned, the threat of a government shutdown which is thursday of next week. right now, there stands over 30 members of the house republican conference that do not want to fund the government if any funds are in a bill that go to planned parenthood which is obviously subjected to a lot of anger over those videos about the selling of body parts and fetuses. we can't say for sure what exactly is going to happen. mitch mcconnell has said, the senate majority leader, that look, the president will veto any bill that strips out the funds for planned parenthood. let's pass a government funding bill that's clean and fight this later on on better positioning for us, perhaps in the context of the debt limit. john boehner, who is worried about his speakership because of conservative outrage, doesn't quite know how to do this and that's what we have to keep our eye on. they can't do it this week because of the pope's visit. next week, it's not until friday of next week, it's until wednesday night of next week. lot of unanswered questions. joining us is senator bar br boxer, democrat from california. good to have you here. listening to luke, do you expect
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that we are going to see the government shut down to start october? >> they did it before. they shut down the government before. they tried to shut it down once over planned parenthood e window didn't allow it. 97% of what planned parenthood does is basic health care, cancer screenings for three million, almost three million women and men, and there's no federal funding used for abortion. fetal tissue research has been legal since ronald reagan so this is playing politics with women's health. it's a sad, sad thing. we need to keep this government open. we need to make sure we are funding our military, we are funding our education, we are funding our health care and all the things that we do, head start, i could go on, community health care centers. it's all at stake. it's all about politics. that is a terrible commentary. if i'm a republican, i'm embarrassed about this thing. >> one thing, after last week's debate, the republican debate,
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carly fiorina played hard and fast with the facts about what the videos were that had been put out there and put online, those that are pro-life and against planned parenthood. you ran against her in 2010. you beat her in that senate campaign. but she was out defending what she said about these tapes. take a listen to this. >> i've seen the footage and i find it amazing, actually, that all these supposed fact checkers in the mainstream media claim this doesn't exist. they're trying to attack the authenticity of the videotape. i will continue to dare anyone who wants to continue to fund planned parenthood, watch the videotapes. anyone who wants to challenge me first is going to have to prove to me that they watched it. >> have you watched these videotapes, senator? >> i watched them when they first came out but they are doctored and they were done in secret and to me, that's the worst of the worst. i said to my staff just give me
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summaries, i'm not going to do that because what they did was horrible. it's even against the law in some states and the courts have stopped them. but let's be clear. carly fiorina does what she always does. she says things, plays fast and loose with the facts as you said, planned parenthood was not on any tape that she described and no one has seen the kind of tape that she described. but the fact is for her to be the only woman in the race and stand with the men and attack a woman's right to choose and women's health care and show that lack of respect, but look, i'm shocked that she ran in the first place. let's be very clear about it. and the fact that she's got so far, fine. but i'm going to be telling the truth about her. she took a wonderful company, a fortune 20 company, she almost destroyed it according to everybody who knows about the company, including the founder's grandchildren. the company was worth half of what it was when she left.
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she never got another job offer. she didn't vote -- i think she voted in eight of 16 elections or worse than that. but she's very good with words and i think when people see her deeds and see her mean-spiritedness, she won't be on the top anymore. >> she's had an impressive bounce since the debate. >> oh, she's bouncing for sure. but you know she's bouncing because she really is very articulate. but when you examine her record and the fact that she shipped 30,000 jobs overseas and forced those beautiful employees to even train their foreign replacements, when these people come out to tell the story of carly fiorina like they did in my senate race, i won that race in a landslide. i think the republicans would have a very rough time if she was on the ticket. >> california senator barbara boxer, thanks for being here. appreciate your time. grammy winning music producer has enlisted superstar friends to battle republicans'
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anti-mexican rhetoric. veteran music producer emilio estefan has written a song to combat the gop's negative message. take a listen. >> love america. [ singing in spanish ] >> we are all united. >> grammy winning producer julio estefan joins us. we have whoopi, rita, gloria, pit bull, lot of people showing up for you. how were you able to accomplish getting so many big names to be part of this song? >> i think it was the perfect time to be sure people recognize we love this country, we accomplished a lot of things. there were a lot of negative things about latinos. this is the best way to say we
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love america and the short video says a lot. especially the spanish heritage month. >> the catalyst for getting you to this point was something that someone you would consider a friend, donald trump, had to say. take a listen to this. >> they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists and some, i assume, are good people. >> you have known donald trump for a very long time. you and your wife. you would consider yourself to be friends? >> listen, it's not about him. he mentioned that. there was a lot of confusion. that's the reason i decided to create and produce this film and the video. i think it's good that we get -- we know we have a problem with immigration. we know we have a problem that need to be resolved. i think that's the only way to approach it in the latino community. i think a lot of us have been here for many, many years and accomplished the american dream.
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i think this song is about that. i hope in the end we bring somebody to the white house who can bring people together and fix problems. i think sometimes with being angry, i don't think that -- >> one thing i have to get in, your wife is expected to perform for the pope? >> yes. she's rehearsing. it will be -- so nice to be able to perform for him. we met him. it will be fantastic. >> great to have you here. thank you so much. really appreciate your time. speaking of the pope's visit to the u.s., and to cuba, it is historic, especially for the u.s. he has never been to this country before, even as a cardinal. i had the opportunity to sit down with several catholics who will see the pope in person this week. these are pro-choice advocates, divorced catholics and members of the lgbt community who all feel they are part of this church, even though the church's doctrine has traditionally left them out. i asked them what they would say to pope francis if they got to meet him one-on-one. >> i would first try and get a selfie.
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>> okay. >> number one, i would be blown away and nervous. i would just say you're constantly in my prayers. i think i would leave it at that. >> if you had face time with the pope, what would you say? >> i think that i would want to encourage him to continue. >> dawn, for you, your questions would be more about disqualifying your humanity and catholicism, correct? >> the first thing i would say is bless me father, for i have sinned. that's a knee-jerk response because we all are sinners. but i would not be able to leave that moment without saying to him please see me, please see who i am, and what strikes me most about this pope is whenever he talks, he seems to say great things. whenever he writes something, it's awful. of course the written word will stand. >> denise, if you had an audience with the pope, what would you say? >> i think i would thank him for
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his humanness. >> kathy, what would you say? >> i would thank him as well. i would ask him to continue to open his heart to the lgbt community in particular, and other communities that have been put aside by the church in many ways and hurt by the church. >> really is a fascinating conversation. coming up in the next hour of "msnbc live" i will speak to the same panel about what separates this pope from pope benedict. i got some really interesting responses. i will have that for you coming up in the next hour. so on a different note for you, beyonce, coldplay, ed sheran and others, talking about the star-studded event coming up. thanks to viola davis, those of us who watched the emmys were rewarded with a front row seat to history. rios team and it's always bugged me
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welcome back. the global citizen festival gets under way in just five days. we now have news that a slew of celebrity and leaders are going to be there. so leonardo dicaprio, bono, malala yousafzai, usher, common, bill and melinda gates, connie britton, laverne cox will be there. they have been added to this star-studded concert focusing on a world without extreme poverty. that is the goal of the global poverty project. leaders around the world are setting priorities to reach that end and address climate change as well. this year, the poverty project's platform, the global citizen festival, will once again descend on new york's central park and bring with it not just celebs and leaders, but thousands of people, citizens who have united to take action to deal with some of the world's biggest challenges. joining me is justine lucas, director of programs at the global poverty project and actress erin richards, who
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serves as an ambassador for the festival. ladies, it is great to have you here. it's hard to believe just five days away as we all get ready for a great weekend here in new york city. talk about the worldwide goal to end poverty by 2030 and the benchmarks for which the initiative is going to mark that. >> 2015's a big year. the millenium development goals are expiring and we are introducing the global goals which is the theme of this year's festival which is the road map for the next 15 years to see the end of extreme poverty, climate change, address inequality around the world. this moment, this saturday is a big deal. >> do you feel you made them achievable over the next 15 years? are they lofty? >> they are lofty but they are achievable. the data demonstrates in corporations step up in a big way, it is possible to end extreme poverty. we already made incredible progress. >> why were you inspired by the global poverty project and other celebrities like you, to use your platforms for greater good? >> well, i think that there's a
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movement afoot at the moment that it's no longer enough to just kind of hand over your money to charities and expect something to happen in some way that you have no idea about what's happening with your money. the reason i like the global citizen project is because it's about being active in that change. so by reading and by taking action, by coming to the festival, you can really take part in a global movement to make these changes happen in the world. >> i think once people become educated, you can't turn a blind eye to knowing about these problems that exist. certainly equal pay in the u.s. is a big political issue. but we look at this, 15 countries, women still require their husbands' permission to have a job. this is a complex social issue. how do you go in and change or help update social contracts like that without offending certain cultures? >> well, i think it starts with, it's really about people using their voice and calling on world leaders to take action. we work with incredible partners
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in this space. we work with the world bank and we go and find those countries where those structural systematic changes need to occur and we work with those local governments to help change those rules and regulations that are keeping people poor. >> at least you are planting the seeds. this is a long-term goal. it's a marathon, not a sprint. i know you were out over the summer talking about education. you have personally written and talked about dyslexia that you had to deal with. so what do you hope to raise people's awareness about as we look at education as a global issue? >> i guess just that, you know, there are over 60 million girls in the world who are still without education. we are hoping to fund education for every child up to 18 in the world by 2030, which is a very important thing because as we all know, education, especially for women, raises everybody out of poverty, the whole community. and also, personally, i'm very interested in sex education for young women and boys, which i
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think is really important for growth for people. >> we have the global citizens festival coming up this weekend. we encourage everybody to tune in and watch it. also, everybody, tune in, watch "gotham" tonight. the premiere is tonight. you are a little crazy. >> not in real life. >> not in real life. your character left us a little crazy. some people think you will end up being the joker. >> some people do think that. >> what do you have to say about that? >> anything can happen in gotham. >> all right. we will be tuning in. set your dvrs. justine, erin, great to have you. thank you so much. we have the power to change the world. it starts by picturing that change. i shared my vision for global change. we can solve together. now it's your turn. visit msnbc.com/global citizen for more. the festival takes place saturday, september 26th in new york's central park with beyonce, pearl jam, ed sheeran, cold play headlining. catch the action here as msnbc hosts the special coverage. i will find out in the break if
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hot. >> laiterally and figuratively. >> >> reporter: 100 degrees. >> sweat is running down my legs. isn't that glamorous? >> reporter: hosts scurried inside. >> racism is over. don't fact check that. >> reporter: davis became the first african-american woman to win lead actress in a drama. >> only thing that separates women of color from anyone else is opportunity. you cannot win an emmy for roles that are simply not there. >> reporter: going into the show, jon hamn had never won an emmy. >> we're all just here for jon hamm, right? >> that was on the invite. >> reporter: the star finally got his trophy. >> it's been a terrible mistake clearly. >> reporter: transparent was a first-time winner dedicated his award to the transgender community. >> thank you for your patience. thank you for your courage. thank you for your stories.
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>> reporter: julia louis fry fuss scored her sixth and alison januaryy the seventh. >> that puts you -- >> the three of them in one sentence is enough to make me pass out. >> reporter: toll honors to "veep" and "game of thrones" the biggest surprise game when tracy morgan walked on stage and sense of humor shining through once again after last year's devastating crash. >> i finally regained consciousness, i was just happy to learn that i was wasn't the one who messed up. >> just came from the heart. to my parents and my comrades and to the people in tv land, thank you very much. >> wow. a lot of people happy to see him there. did you stay up late to watch? an i no. it dvr'd exploding so full and the great shows coming around. you feel pressure to watch them all. >> we'll finish it tonight. we stayed up to about 10:00 and
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i loved andy sandberg. no news is good news. people aren't talking about him too much today. good news if they are, then you might have done a bad job saying bad things. i thought he was funny and thanks to joe for the report. more on the controversial comments by donald trump and ben carson about religion and faith leading off our next hour. we'll hear from kareem abdul-jabbar and his response. he's been practicing islam for 40 years. we'll hear from our correspondent on the ground in cuba, when's ahead for the pontiff and the american journey. and volkswagen ceo apologizes for the emissions cheat that has them in trouble and the stock price plum meting. when's next for the automaker?
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presidency. >> i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. >> people think by remaining sigh lnt you tacetly agreed. >> a man was asking a question and i decided why should i come to the defense of the president? he won't come to my defense. >> this is not the first time we question. >> explain the short game. and it doesn't win in the game. it is playing the short game. >> i'll have a chance to sit down with kareem abdul-jabbar mo the pope is expected here in the u.s. tomorrow. more today of my interview with a panel of catholic americans an we discuss if the change is real, what this pope is bringing to the church. and developing news from boston. two suspects charged in connection with the death of the girl known as baby doe appear in court for the very first time. we want to start with the muslim
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faith and the republican party. two of the party's top presidential candidates under fire in one case for what dr. ben carson said about the muslims and what donald trump did not say about muslims and president obama. on sunday, republican candidate dr. ben carson asked if the president's faith mattered. dr. carson told nbc's chuck todd a candidate's faith must be consistent with the constitution. here's more of what he said on "meet the press." >> do you believe that islam is consistent with the constitution? >> no, i don't. i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> dr. carson's camp later clarifying the remarks says muslims could certainly run but the faith may be at odds with the constitution. the council of islamic relations said carson is unfit to lead and should leave the race. the white house weighed in. take a listen.
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>> i think what's particularly disappointing to many observers including me is that we haven't seen a significant outcry from all of the other candidates in the republican race and it's for the same reason. bausz they're chasing for the same votes. >> dr. carson's comments come as donald trump weathers his own muslim controversy. in this one, he did not refute a question at a rally last week saying that president obama was a muslim and that america should get rid of muslims. here's his defense today on the "today" show. >> i assumed i was talking about radical islam. no matter where you turn, you're reading about it an seeing it. it's an amazing problem, a railroad big problem. i fully understand the muslims are great people and i have many friends and i have -- they're great friends. by the way, they're concerned with radical islam, too. >> joining me in studio is katy
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tur. she's been out on the campaign trail with donald trump and the others and this is kind of a snare trap that trump set and seems as if ben carson is caught in it. >> he continues to do that. making news, the others are forced to respond and in this case, that's what you are seeing with carson and the rest of the field and carson is having the more extreme comments. trump campaign doesn't see anything wrong with this. they're making the news and think donald trump is part of who he is and birther comment is a good portion of his support. he has a lot of tea party supporters and told everybody he only apologizes when he thinks he is wrong and to apologize for this or backtrack it is him apologizing and essentially make him look weak to supporters and they say the only thing he can do wrong is be nice.
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>> let's look at the polls. they have donald trump leading. he is down a little bit in the cnn poll but still leading. carly fiorina rising. i understand you were following trump's q and an on twitter. he just wrapped that up. what was he mainly taking questions? >> he was mainly taking questions on the main talking points of the campaign. he didn't hit out at the other candidates, saying we need to make the military great again, deal with immigration. the stuff he keeps talking about and except for a few sports references an i'll leave those to you. >> joe flacco. >> thank you. and tony romo and a needing to fix homelessness. he has been coming after fiorina hard lately. that's because despite the campaign may say publicly they're threatened by her an leading in the polls and that's why you are seeing him attack her and still attacking jeb bush an sees him as a threat and going after carly fiorina and her record, specifically her record as the ceo of hp.
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>> such a recon ffiguration aft the debate. thank you very much. earlier i had the opportunity to sit down with kareem abdul-jabbar. probably one of the most high profile muslims in america. here's his take on dr. carson ian comments about the muslim faith as well as his public fight with trump. >> kareem, it is great to have you here because -- >> thank you. >> a lot going on this week with faith and politics. >> yes. >> and we have seen a lot of talk in the news about what it's like to be a muslim or who can be trusted as a muslim. you converted 0 the faith 40 years ago. dr. ben carson spoke about that specifically saying that being a muslim would disqualify in his opinion anyone for the presidency of the united states. when you heard that, and we are a country based on the freedom of religion, also from religion,
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how do you respond to that? >> i'm disappointed that a defender of the constitution would deny some of the right that is are guaranteed by our constitution. that does not make sense. i think dr. carson's approach is irrational and bigoted and there's no place for it here in america. >> meanwhile, carson isn't alone because in june gallup asked people if they'd vote for a muslim for president. every other religion scored far higher and athist slightly lower. why do you think there's a perception of fear? >> the fear has to do with the fact that there are bad actors in the middle east who claim to be muslim that are trying to terrorize the world and that's who they're reacting against. i do not blame them at all for reacting -- taking a strong reaction against those people. but we have to judge everybody
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by their deeds and not by the label that comes on them. that is of no use whatsoever. >> let's talk about deeds. earlier this month you penned an essay for "the washington post" and comparing the differences of donald trump's campaign to that of bernie sanders and you wrote of trump's campaign and his actions is bullying, you declared his overall operation to be an out ray you ace saassat on decency. why did you say that? >> i feel that way because mr. trump is taking a stand with bigots. the way he treated the reporter of the univision, there was no calling for that. the press are the people that enable the american people to know and understand our candidates. they keep us informed. so why are you going to throw a reporter out of your meeting that's supposed to be open to
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the public and express your views and opinions on why you you're running for office. that should be a great forum for someone who's doing that. so it bothers me that someone who has so much -- has been attracting so much attention as a presidential candidate wants to discriminate against the various members of the press. it is really disturbing. >> all right. so my thanks to kareem and you can watch an extended version of that interview on msnbc.com talking about his new fictional novel "mykrcroft hall ms" and tn the backlash against carson and trump with andre carson, the second muslim to serve in the u.s. congress. in a few hours, pope francis visits one of cuba's holiest shrines. the vatican says about 150,000 people attended mass this morning where the pope delivered
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a homily. this is a day after the papal mass in havana's revolutionary square. the pope also held a pair of meetings with raul castro and fidel castro preparations are under way for the first u.s. visit beginning tomorrow in washington. nbc news has a document saying officials are warning terrorists could disguise themselves as first responders and try to launch deadly attacks inside the u.s. joining me from cuba is nbc news correspondent claudio lavanga. what should we expect in the pope's visit here? we know the schedule but is there an anticipation that he might go off script? >> reporter: well, indeed, of course. thomas, he always does and probably will do in the states in the many speeches he is going to give there. now, of course, all eyes first on what he says in congress in
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washington. no pope has ever done that and a lot of concern from -- particularly from the republicans of issues of -- for instance, the environment and well, of course, he said quite clearly he believes -- even said it in the encyclical. that climate change is man-made and made it unpopular for a republican and one republican is not going to be there and that's not going to be the only case when his words weighing very heavily. every word, every gesture can swing vote there is and everybody to listen carefully about every word now, of course, all eyes on what he has got to say about gay marriage, for instance. the reason why he is there is for the world meeting of families, meaning of traditional families within between a man and a woman and a many instances where there's controversy just around the corner, thomas. >> claudio reporting in cuba for us, thank you. much more ahead this hour, a
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carly fiorina emerged as a biggest threat on the right to donald trump. the latest poll on the right show her climbing into second or third place and also considered
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the overwhelming winner of the most recent republican debate. this morning on the "today" show donald trump took another swipe at the challenger. >> i think when people find out what a horrible job she did in business, running two companies into the ground, lucent and hp, i think that, you know, she lost to barbara boxer in a landslide. >> why do you think she's surging now? >> because she's got a good line of pitter patter and if you listen to her speaking it's same line that i will speak to my friend netanyahu and says the same thing over and over again and people heard it for the first time. >> you say -- >> almost like robotic. you look at it and it's robotic. >> joining me from bah wa jonathan allen, correspondent for vox. let's talk about this. this is obviously a big blououn carly fiorina coming from the bottom to second place after this performance. who's her base and does that
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overlap with trump? >> thomas, i think what we are seeing here is some interesting carly fiorina from the anti-trump crowd. people who are, you know, maybe previously establishment republicans but not necessarily one particular core base. what you have seen from her is a nice steady ascent from being nowhere in the polling to winning that first undercard debate and then doing very well in the second debate with a lot of people saying she came out the winner 0 of that debate. if you're carly fiorina you're getting a chance now and what donald trump is trying to do is shine a spotlight on her. give her scrutiny, the business career. she is a real threat to him right now. >> the higher you rise, the higher you fall and leaving as ceo of hp and the record that people bring up, where's the truth? is donald trump right or carly fiorina right in the information she gave all of us at the debate about her record as her tenure there? >> the truth is that carly fiorina becoming a ceo of a
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major company, one of the only woman to head a company is an impressive accomplishment and the record is not great one. laid off 30,000 people while she was there. a fall in the stock price. some of that with the tech industry at the time. some of it had to do with poor decision making in terms of the purchases of the company made and running the presidency, running the government and running a business are two very different things and not necessarily sure how applicable it is. >> we have the outsiders doing so well, you know, in business people. two of the three out of carson, trump and fiorina kind of leading the way here. talk about fact checking and planned parenthood specifically. did she lose credibility of the video description and doesn't exist the way she did? >> i think she did. the overall point is that practices are not what you would
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want to be watching during dinner is one that she could make without inventing what happened in a video. my guess is she was like the rest of a lot of people who watched it, somewhat confused by some images that were interpose sbod an interview of the video and thought that it was footage of what was being talked about when it was not. the filmmakers were doing propaganda and i think attempting to confuse viewers and i think carly fiorina was a viewer confused by it and i think it is damaging to her credibility because so many people came out so immediately with fact checks saying this is not true. >> great the see you as always. thank you. >> good the see you. developing news on the case of the girl known as baby doe, these two suspects, the mom and her boyfriend, in court in boston for the first time today. plus new revelations about the allegations against them. and volkswagen stock dives after the automaker apologizes
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with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you're free to focus on growing your business. centurylink. your link to what's next. skrirks we have developing news on the case of baby doe in boston. francis is back with more on this. >> more we find out, more heart breaks it is. the two suspects in court today. the mother of 2-year-old girl bella bond held on a million dollars bond and her boyfriend held without bail. both were in court this morning for an emotionally charged arraignment. the remains were found in a trash back in bs on the harbor in june. ron mott is there. prosecutors revealing horrific details and what may have been a prevention of this happening to
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bella in the first place. >> reporter: right, yeah. hi there, francis. i think if you asked people around boston, they don't know which of the two people to be more disgusted with because of the details over the weekend and in court today but the state is alleging that the mother was told that the baby was killed by michael mccarthy. he allegedly reportedly hit her in the stomach orr and over until she passed away and then concealed the death according to state. the baby's bag placed in a refrigerator for a month or so and then michael allegedly dumped the body in boston harbor. the baby's father is -- lives in florida. come back into the area, wanting the try to get a relationship started with his young 2 1/2-year-old child and getting an iffy story from rochelle at the beginning and then confessed this to him.
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he is asking question that is a lot of folks asking about why the state taken two of her kids away did not take bella from this mother. listen. >> she is responsible for a lot of this because our interest was in with bella and we knew that bella was in a bad situation and she needed to be pulled from it. >> reporter: all right. the two suspects are due back in court on october 20th. about dcf, governor baker says they'll look into what happened in this case. >> ron, more disturbing, the reason why is because bella's mother boyfriend thought that she was possessed. thank you very much. a new poll shows hillary clinton regaining ground and the lead. how far she pulled away from the closest democratic rival. more of today's thomas' interview of panel of catholics discussing their faith and the changes pope francis has brought
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hillary clinton back out on the campaign trail today as a new poll shows her numbers rebounding. last hour she wrapped a campaign stop in louisiana holds a grass roots event in baton rouge. later today she stumping in arkansas. this is new cnn/orc polling showing the former secretary of statewidening her lead ahead with 42% of national democratic primary voters. 24% for sanders. 22% for biden when's not officially in the race an then 1% for former maryland governor o'malley. traveling with clinton and joining me from arkansas is correspondent kristen welker. are they responding to the numbers? they didn't give a poker face to the numbers trailing rainy they playing the same game with
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these? >> reporter: they are to some extent, thomas. an aide saying they don't like to read too much in any given poll. this poll is an indication that secretary clinton starting to turn the page, the tide on the controversy and as you know dogged her campaign in recent weeks and part of the strategy to try to turn the page, thomas, has really been threefold. going after republicans more aggressively. two, granting more high-profile interviews. this weekend she gave a first sunday interview since 2011 and the third part of this strategy is to try to go back on offense on the key policy issues and that's what she is focused on today talking about health care, drawing sharp distinctions with republicans over the issue in louisiana, slamming governor jindal there also a candidate for president. for opposing the president's health care law and failing to expand medicaid there and creating a distinction with him because here the governor in
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arkansas did expand medicaid in the state and what she is focusing on and then unveiling a policy and her plans to build upon the president's health care plan so this is a strategy that the clinton administration feels as though is working, starting the see an indication of that in if polling but they don't want to read too much into it and the big wild card vice president joe biden sources saying he's eyeing a run. he sees a real pathway for success if he were to decide to run and his team knocking down these reports that his wife dr. jill biden might not be on board and say that's not the case and stress that she and the vice president didn't make a determination yet and no word on a time line for that at this point. thomas? >> kristen welker with the cl clinton campaign there. the first pope visit for francis here in the u.s. showing tomorrow and american catholics have a lot of praise for pope
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francis, 77% of those surveyed say pope francis' teachings align with their beliefs. while 44% say the pope has made them feel closer to the church. recently, i spoke with a panel of catholics who repeatedly called pope francis a breath of fresh air and started by asking them, what makes pope francis so different from his predecessors? >> i think his focus on the poor, taking the name francis. he didn't go for a new ring or new red shoes. as a gay man, i would love to wear the red shoes but it's a welcomed departure. first pope to take selfies and meet people. >> benedict is still living and pope francis referred to him as almost a grandfather figure but, denise, when's pope benedict, one word? >> staid. >> staid. jorge? >> i would say aggravating. >> sarah?
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>> harsh. >> harsh. kevin? >> stoic. >> stoic. and dawn? >> dangerous. >> dangerous. cathy? >> entitled. >> entitled. why do you say that? >> because i think he just felt that, you know, he was just in a position of power but he didn't use that power in a way that was appropriate. >> by a show of hands, how many people were shocked when pope benedict resigned? >> oh yeah. >> absolutely. >> okay. so, let's start, denise, why do you think pope benedict resi resigned? >> the responsibility of being a pope is huge. it's an enormous undertaking and i think he just didn't want to do it anymore. >> jorge, why do you think benedict reseened? >> i think he wanted to preserve as much as of his legacy as he could. >> sarah? >> always been an academic.
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desire to do that more than the pastoral. wasn't what the role he wanted to fill and what we need. >> kevin? >> i think she was always in john paul's shadow. it is interesting to note after that conclave we find out that cardinal berglio was with the runner-up in 2005. >> do you think we know the real zmeel. >> i'm a conspiracy they arist or a journalist. pope benedict resigns. reseens? that's like it doesn't happen. and my immediate thought was, this was orchestrated. the fix was in. that was not working out. and they said, you know what? let's get rid of this guy and get the other guy we almost picked. i'm sorry to reduce it to the simple terms and that's what was going on. just a power play. >> cathy, what do you think? >> he was a poor choice. i think the other issue is that there was some -- there was unhappiness in the way he was serving the church.
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>> is anyone worried that the francis effect is just now or that this is something that is being ceded for a reap long time to come? >> the church is what it is for so many years that i think in order for it to change anybody that has anything to do with the hierarchy of the church has to change and that's not going to come so easily. >> anyone else feel that way? kevin? >> i once saw where someone said john paul told us what to say and do. benedict told us why we should do that and believe that and francis said, do it. if you want to advance in the church, you've got to be about the poor, be about social justice an you can't be so much about the rigid ideology. >> compelling conversation. you can tune in tomorrow for more of my interview with the panel to talk about the church sex abuse scandal and the group's loyalty to the church that denies them.
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many americans are applauding the popular pope. what does he need to do in the u.s. to bring the disenfranchised catholics back to the church? i'm joined by nicole o'donnell, a former intern with the vatican and covering the papal visit. we are showing pom numbers and how much americans like francis and the modern views. but what do you think that the vatican is doing to attract those that have been lost, the disenfranchised, marginalized catholics? >> hi, thomas. great to be here. honestly i think the vatican has done a wonderful job getting the pope's message to a huge audience. especially the disenfranchised and the people who may not have been involved in the church previously. the message is one of acceptance and love and he's done an incredible job being on social and reaching people that weren't previously reached in the short 140 character-type tweets that
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anyone with understand and receive the message from. >> we have american catholics views 87% of environment. 81% applaud the push towards lgbt acceptance. what do you think pope francis is doing to redefine what it means to be a good catholic? >> i think he's redefining what it means to be a good catholic emphasizing you don't need to be strict to doctrine. you need to be giving, loving and accept those around you whether or not there's a different than you and the difference of the pope and i think that's why people are so excited about him. >> so, one thing as we look at this polling some more, be a good catholic if? you're divorced, 94% believe if you use birth control. 88% on premarital sex. 76% in support of marriage
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equality. 72% marry someone of the same sex. so, is the francis effect, nicole, a real one or is francis seen as much more socially liberal with perception than he is? >> no. i think the francis effect is very real and, yes, while he is socially liberal, not just, you know, a front that he is putting on. he is a genuine person. he believes in acceptance of all people and he's not going to turn you away if you don't, you know, closely coen side with the traditional catholic beliefs and all about accepting and makes him special and so special for me to work there and be a part of that. it's pope i can relate to as a young person. >> a once in a lifetime opportunity for you. what is the most special thing you remember from that time as an intern at the vatican? >> honestly, i got to do so
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much. the council that i worked in and i got an unparalleled expo your to everything of the vatican. i attend events and the most significant thing for me was i got to attend the first-ever world conference on autism held by the vatican which is special to me because my brother is on the autism spectrum and great to see the church embrace this disabled community and celebrate the differences rather than kind of turn them away. >> nicole, former intern with the vatican and a villanueva student ambassador covering the visit. thank you. >> thank you. we want to move to the very latest in the growing migrant crisis and while on a trip to berlin, secretary of state kerry announced the u.s. will increase the number of migrants to accept. in 2017, going to rise to 100,000. in his briefing today, press secretary josh earnest made a additional announcement.
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>> the united states today is committing to provide nearly $419 million in additional humanitarian health for safe drinking water, food, shelter and urgent relief supplies to syrians affected by the conflict. the united states as you have heard me say many times in the last couple of weeks remains the single largest donor to the crisis and with this new announcement the united states has now committed to provide more than $4.5 billion to help address the dire conditions inside syria and for the more than 4 million refugees across the region. >> chris jansing is following this news. this is a complicated process. how will it work? >> reporter: what they do is first get a recommendation from the united nations because it has to be a specific set of category that is a refugee fits in for them to be able to come to the united states. they need to be essentially fleeing for their lives, have
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particular health problems that could not be fixed in their home country or they need to have been subject to some sort of abuse. so there's a whole level of -- series of categories that the u.n. certifies an 1,000 syrian refugees who fit in the category right now and more than the 10,000 that the united states has committed at least 10,000 to taking in next year. then it's another very long process of 18 months to two years and i can tell you, thomas, i spent time with a family coming here from syria a year ago and spent two years waiting in jordan to get clearance to come to the united states. they all have to be vetted. both for security, for health purposes, and i think there's another aspect of this and that is that the administration believes that they should focus their efforts on helping them closer to home which is why they have not given in to some of the calls from people like hillary clinton and other democrats who
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want 65,000 to 100,000 refugees allowed in the united states next year from syria alone, thomas. >> sounds a lot easier than it turns out to be. chris from the white house, great to see you, thank you. volkswagen stock diving after an apology for cheating on emissions tests. can vw recover from the crisis? then talk about your health. flu season almost upon us and you're just dealing with the fall allergies. we'll explain what you need to know before you get this yore's vaccine.
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project to unite leaders and celebrities to raise awareness of vaccinations for children around the globe. a professor at louisiana state university health sign sciences center and ceo of community health tv. good to have you with me. there's back and forth on the vaccine issue. >> yes. >> looking back at the "the new york times" headline and this one from harvard medical school, what more can be done to bring the right awareness about vaccines and public, public awareness? >> well, the most important thing is a quote that just simply says those who do not know their history doomed to repeat it. i mean, you know, we have had so much just success because of vaccination in this country. people don't remember the scourge of the flu and the scourge of polio and the scourge of the measles in the united states because most of the people are no longer here and so the younger people now that are 25 to 35, they just don't feel
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the need to vaccinate their children but the parents and grandparents need to say you got the vaccines and your children do, as well. >> the bill and melinda gates foundation highlighting the need for add quall medical need for years. 171 million children die every year from vaccine preventable diseases. how do countries get the access they need? >> vaccine manufacturers all over the world are tending now to have more of a global perspective on illness. i mean, we don't have an ebola vaccine but a lot of people became very aware that what we do in this country will definitely affect what what happens in other countries and vice versa. whatever happens in other countries will affect the united states so as vaccine manufacturers start to branch out and be global, they're starting 0 provide vaccines free of charge to the developing countries in the world and that's the humanitarian thing to
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do. >> we're not just talking about measles and polio. here in the u.s., 171 million doses of flaw vaccine expected this year. talk about that. would you recommend to people getting a flu shot and also talk about the different strains of the flu vaccines. >> sure. everyone has to get a flu shot. people that think they get the flu the from the flu shot, they never had the flu. everybody could get possibly two or three days of not feeling well after the flu shot but in the early 1920s millions of people died from the flu every year. and about 35,000 to 50,000 people will die this year in the country. there's two vaccines. and we can't say one is better thatten the other because we know that there's vaccine out right now with a very new technology that actually doesn't even have any type of the virus in it.
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new details in the invest surrounding the volkswagen scandal. the car maker told u.s. dealers it plans to stop selling some of the diesel cars following the revelation it cheated on emissions tests for years.
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joining me now is tony decouple, host of greenhouse on msnbc and volkswagen recalling almost 500,000 cars because of the defeat device sent here to the u.s. sent out an apology saying we admitted it. we're working with the regulator. is the next step a criminal investigation? >> very possible that a criminal investigation will follow because the epa is involved but the justice department is also involved and usual just a few weeks ago the justice department said it was going to make a concerted effort to hold individuals responsible for corporate crimes so a new era they're saying and as a crisis for a company, it is really spiraling because right now it is an american case but now there are tests in europe and asia to see how far this goes. and for the ceo, he apologized but that may not be enough to quiet criticism. it is hard to imagine him surviving this. many analysts saying because he's got to explain how 500,000
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cars got this cheating device put into them on his watch. he knew or should have known about it. also, this is adding up for sometime looking back at the calend calendar. they denied, right, this deception to the epa almost a year. how did they get incentivized to come clean over this? >> they were forced. that's the additional thing today. the epa released documents showing confronting volkswagen about this defeat device the company tried to say, no, no, to it is just a technical issue an we're above board here and then finally the epa said, look, you need to admit something more frankly to us or not certify any of your cars across the company in the following year and then they said, okay, two painful choices here and we hope it's the painful one but with fines on $18 billion, it may not be the less painful route financially. >> and one of the better selling
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cars worldwide and a big part of what was with an expansion to have here in the u.s. and discuss where that stands moving forward. >> yeah. well, volkswagen overtook toyota as the largest car maker in the world and expansion into america was a major part of the growth going forward and now i don't know where that growth stands. consumers are extremely angry and a civil lawsuit claiming that you duped us, volkswagen. we thought it was a clean car and contributing to smog around the country. people are angry and hard to bounce back as a brand from that kind of damage. >> all right. tony, thank you very much. a lot of information from everybody to process there, especially if you have a vw and watch tony on "green house" thursdays at 12:00 p.m. on shift by msnbc. thank you for your time. that wraps up today's show. see you back here tomorrow 1:00 p.m. keep the conversation going on social media. kate snow picks up the coverage next. you are watching msnbc live. i am totally blind.
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good afternoon. i'm kate snow. here's what's happening right now on msnbc live. ben carson not apologizing today for comments he made on "meet the press" saying he believes a muslim should not be president of the united states. candidates from both parties weighing in now and i'll speak with representative andre carson, one of two muslim lawmakers in congress. papal preparations. ahead of pope francis tomorrow. philadelphia's police commissioner discusses what's one of the largest security operations in u.s. history. and crisis zone today croatian officials say tens of thousands of migrants continue to pour across the border. we are taking you live there coming up. we begin today with the issue of faith and politics. dominating the republican race for president at this moment.
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ben carson on the defensive today amid calls for him to drop out of the race for this comment about muslims sunday on "meet the press." >> do you believe that islam is consistent with the constitution? >> no i don't. i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> the issue coming front and center after donald trump's refusal to correct a new hampshire man's comments about muslims in america and about president obama last week at a campaign event. over the weekend trump said some muslims are, quote, a very severe problem. this morning hrks expanded saying ssay ing he didn't think he needed to defend president obama. >> i've never had a problem with muslims. you have an individual problem where you have some radical that is are causing problems and i can be politically correct. somebody said how can you say that?

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