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we proved in these negotiations that there is nothing on iran's table other than logic, reason and ethics, and where necessary, legitimate and decisive self-defense against any kind of aggression. for which, ultimately, the united states of america was prompted and forced to set aside pressure and sanctions and choose the table of negotiations and discussions. our seven countries and the european union expended considerable time and diplomatic capital in these negotiations. therefore, they should exert their utmost effort to protect and implement the agreement. we deem the compliance of all parties with their commitments as the fundamental factor in the
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success of the implementation process of the negotiations. parallel to the implementation of the joint comprehensive plan of action, we also expect the nuclear weapon states to take necessary steps to fulfill their commitment of full nuclear disarmament based on article 6 of the non-proliferation treaty. furth furthermore, we expect them to play a positive role in the creation of a nuclear weapons free middle east and not to allow the zionist regime to remain the only impediment in the way of realizing this important initiative. mr. president, the nuclear deal, which is a brilliant example of victory over war, has managed to disperse the clouds of hostility
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and perhaps even tanother war ad extensive tensions from the middle east. the deal can and should herald a new era and lead to positive outcomes regarding the establishment of sustainable peace and stability in the region. from our point of view, the agreed upon deal is not the final objective, but a development which can and should be the basis of further achievements to come. considering the fact that this deal has krcreated an objective basis and set an appropriate model, it can serve as a basis for foundational change in the region. our policy is to continue our peace-seeking efforts in the region, based on the same win-win principle, and act in a way that would lead to all in the region and the world benefitting from these new
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conditions. this opportunity can be seized in order to look to the future and avoid focusing on the past and rebuild our relationships with countries in the region, particularly with our neighbors, based on mutual respect and our common and collective interests. unfortunately, the middle east and north africa has turned into one of the world's most turbulent regions. with the continuation and intensification of the current condition, the turmoil can spread to other parts of the world. in today's interconnected and borderless world, countries and regions encounter great difficulty in protecting their borders and preventing the spread of insecurity and
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instability. the gravest and most important threat to the world today is for terrorist organizations to become terrorist states. we consider it unfortunate for national uprisings in our region to be deviated by terrorists, and for the destiny of nations to be determined by arms and terror rather than the ballot box. we propose that the fight against terrorism be incorpor e incorporated into a binding international document, and no country be allowed to use terrorism for the purpose of intervention in the affairs of another country. we are prepared to assist in the eradication of terrorism, and in paving the way for democracy and
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ensuring that arms do not dictate the course of events in the region. as we aided the establishment of the democracy in iraq and afghanistan, we are prepared to help bring about democracy in syria, as well as yemen. we support the consolidation of power through the vote of people rather than with arms. we defend the rule of the majority that respects the rights of minorities. today, iran, while safeguarding its historic and cultural heritage, is looking to the future. not only the distant future, but also the near future, with a bright outlook for cooperation and co-existence. i say to all nations and all governments, that we will not forget the past, but we do not wish to live in the past.
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we will not forget war and sanctions, but we look to peace and development. through the joint comprehensive plan of action, we were not solely seeking a nuclear deal. we want to suggest a new and constructive way to recreate the international order. an order based on mutual respect, non-intervention in the internal affairs of others, as well as on sustained cooperation and co-existence between the members of the united nations. in order to build a peaceful future, we must learn our lessons from the bitter lessons -- from the bitter past. we know that the only way to r perpetuate peace is through development. while resentment and suspicion
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builds. however, peace alongside development lets anger and resentment dissipate and be replaced with hope and respect for others. we have repeatedly said that the only way to uproot terrorism in the middle east is by targeting its underlying social, economic and cultural causes. economic interactions may bring about lasting security and transform the region into a haven for peace and development. after the joint comprehensive plan of action, iran will stand ready to show the practical path to security and stability is through the development that comes with economic engagement. iran, with all of its economic and cultural potential, is well-positioned to become a hub for export of oriented
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investment. iran is also eager to show that we can all choose a lasting peace based on development and shared interests that will lead to a sustainable security rather than a volatile peace based on threats. we hope to engage with our neighbors in a wide range of social and economic cooperation, which will enable the achievement of political understanding and for even past -- and even foster structural security cooperation. in the international system today, mutual economic ties are deemed the foremost factors in facilitating political cooperation and reducing security-related challenges. mr. president, in 2013, from this very stage, i called for combating violence and
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extremism. consequently, you, the representatives of the international community, unanimously gave it a seal of endorsement and hence the wave resolution came to be. the implementation of wave requires well-intentioned solutions and the use of experiences gained in the realm of diplomacy. i am pleased by placing together the support for the joint comprehensive plan of action with the invaluable support for wave, we may not devise a plan to resolve the problems of a shattered middle east under the clause of brutality and savagery. with a view to fighting ignorance, dictatorship, poverty, corruption, terrorism, violence and their social, political, cultural, economic and security impacts, i would like to invite the whole world,
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and especially the countries of my region, to form a joint comprehensive plan of action to create a united front against extremism and violence. this front must create a collective and global movement to tackle regional problems in a serious manner through dialogue. prevent the slaughter of innocent people and the bombardment of civilians, as well as the promotion of violence and killing of other human beings. provide for the stability of the central governments to maintain stability. once stability is established, build diplomacy and democratic govern nance in t governance in the middle east region. ladies and gentlemen, iraq, syria and yemen are all examples of crises being stoked through terror. extremism, violence, bloodshed,
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invasion and the indifference of the international community. they are similar examples displaying cases of displacement, homelessness and fleeing from the horrors of war and bombardments. their problems have persisted because the international community has failed them and because of incorrect actions of newcomers to the region and naive transregional actors. consequent consequently, the wave of destruction has gone beyond the arab world and reached the gates of europe and the united states and has resulted in the destruction -- >> good afternoon. i'm thomas roberts. we are at msnbc world headquarters in new york. we've been listen to president rouhani speak there, addressing the u.n. this is the 70th session of the u.n., and they have had a very jam packed morning of world leaders presenting their
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outreach of diplomacy and also their country's positions. with president obama and russian president putin speaking earlier today. now, we are hours away from their big faceoff at the u.n. it was less than an hour ago where we saw vladimir putin wrapping up his speech. he called on the formation of an anti-isis coalition. one similar, he says, to the anti-hitler coalition of world war ii, presumably, the coalition could include syria's bashar al assad. this morning, president obama said in his speech he is willing to work with other countries to defeat isis, however, the president said he does not want to see the reemergence of a pre-war syria. >> the united states is prepared to work with any nation, including russia and iran, to resolve the conflict. but we must recognize that there cannot be, after so much bloodshed, so much carnage, a return to the pre-war status
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quo. >> putin is sending arms and soldiers to aid bashar al assad's battle against the rebels and isis. russia and iran have signed an agreement with syria to share more intelligence about isis. another focal point in today's talks with putin, ukraine. during his speech, president obama reminded the leaders and delegates about why the u.s. led sanctions against russia for its military annexation of crimea. >> we cannot stand by when the sovereignty and territorial integrity of a nation is flagrantly violated. if that happens without consequence in ukraine, it could happen to any nation gathered here today. that's the basis of the sanctions that the united states and our partners impose on russia. it's not a desire to return to a cold war. >> let's talk about what we can expect. chuck todd is moderator of "meet the press" and most of "mtp daily." andrea mitchell is the chief
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foreign affairs correspondent, host of "andrea mitchell reports." ron allen is outside for us and we have the report from inside. chuck and andrea, we've gotten an inside look at what these two men are going to be talking about, president obama and vladimir putin. who comes with the stronger hand to today's meeting? >> putin has the stronger hand when it comes to syria. he is laid the cards out on the table, and the fact is, president obama's syria policy a hasn't worked. we found out that the plan that he put into place, to train moderate rebels in syria, that were anti-isis and anti-assad, we got four of them -- fur our five left. not 400 or 500, from a $500 million program. this policy isn't working, obviously. putin comes in here with a bit of a stronger hand right now. i thought it was interesting,
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the president didn't want to acknowledge that yet publicly. i thought he threw -- he wanted to make it clear to putin before their meeting, he threw some rhetorical broad sides right back at him. when he went directly at crimea. i think it'll be a tense meeting. at the end of the day, it does seem as if putin is out there saying, world war ii style alliance. the u.s. is basically already changing its rhetoric to say, okay, maybe as long as assad is not there, but the regime -- i mean, it looks like we're acquies acquiescing. >> when it comes to putin, it's interesting. these world leaders haven't met face to face since the g-20 in australia. >> it was a very cursory meeting. they have not had a formal sit-down meeting in more than two years. since before edward snowden was given temporary asylum in moscow. >> he publicly blew one up.
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he was supposed to meet him in moscow on the way to the g-20 which, by the way, was a syria g-20 at the time. >> the fact is, president obama has cancelled one big meeting. they haven't met. they talked briefly at the normandy -- june 6th, 2014, in normandy. but they have an icy relationship. it's very clear. ben rhodes, the deputy national security adviser was on our show an hour ago and said, it's a lot of body language. it's the way putin sits with everyone. it's clear that this is not going to be an easy conversation. what we want to know is, more clarity as to what they are up to in syria. rhodes said that they've always shared this intelligence. yes, iraq is the new factor in the game. they've always shared intelligence, so this was mostly public relations. he's coming to new york for the first time in a decade, speaking at the u.n. and wanted to put on a show and take advantage of perceived or real american
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weakness on the syria point. you have congressional investigations this week, pointing out how badly the strategy of arming the moderate rebels has failed. >> we have to look inside makings of vladimir putin and what he feels about russia nationalism. last night he sat down on "60 minutes." he was asked about that russian nationalism. take a look. >> translator: well, it's not the goal in itself. i'm proud of russia. it's true. we have something to be proud of. but we do not have any obsession with being a superpower in the international arena. >> but you are, in part, a major power because of the nuclear weapons you have. you are a force to be reckoned with. >> translator: i hope so. i definitely hope so. otherwise, why do we have nuclear weapons at all?
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>> obviously, maintaining the nuclear power. talking about russia nationalism and also being a player on the world stage. so the influence that they have right now, as we were talking about the hand they show up for at the meeting with president obama, on american soil, but they have the stronger outlook for the conversation we had about siyria and crimea. >> the russians were with the united states during the iran deal. you know, in russia's point of view, which is a two-way street. you needed us to back you in what you wanted to do with iran. we did. we weren't a disruptive force. we sort of, okay, now it proves we're part of the world that, you know -- and now we have a syria problem. this is something we care about. this has been a proxy state of ours for to long time. he won't say it that way. you have to deal with us. look, from putin's point of view, he could say, you've had four years. you've had plenty of time. i've stayed out of this mess. you guys were going to do something, it's still a mess. >> let's go to ron allen,
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outside the u.n. for us. explain the details of this meeting as we know them. >> reporter: well, we think the meeting will happen around 5:00. it's not open to the press. there will be a photo op and the white house will probably give us a readout of how the talks went. we're not going to see a lot, so there will be a lot made about the body language and whatever we see in that moment of video tape, where they stand there. do they shake hands? look cordial? >> believe me, given how icy the relationship has been, they have a long way to go from where they've been to warm. let's put it that way. i think this day has been a good illustration of why these problems are so attractable and why it's difficult to solve these problems, especially syria. the hub of the problem there, as you're hearing from all these speeches, is basically the current leader, bashar al assad. the russians support him. the united states wants him to go before there can be a
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solution. as chuck was pointing out, the russians seem to be really digging their heels in on that point. there is a long-standing relationship between the russians and the syrians and the assad regime. that seems to be something the united states is not going to be able to break. particularly because the russians have troops on the ground now. the question the president of the united states, barack obama, is going to ask mr. putin, i would think is, okay, what are your intentions? what are you going to do? why are the troops there? what's going to happen next? that's not offensive position to be in going into the talks. >> one thing that we haven't been able to get extreme clarity on is the fact of whether or not russia called for the meeting or whether the u.s. called for the meeting. we know that both people are going to be showing up for this meeting. we'll find out on the back end here of what they have to say. i know you have spoken to arab diplomats about the situation that get a reaction. we've heard from both men at the
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u.n. what are you hearing? >> one issue that constantly comes up when you talk to arab diplomats has been about the lack of u.s. leadership in tackling the issue of the assad regime. you speak to turkish officials and they wanted more u.s. involvement with issues like imposing a no fly zone over the northern part of the country, to try and neutralize the air power the assad regime has. you talk to arab diplomats and they say the united states didn't do enough or is not doing enough to try to build more on the ground presence from forces, whether they be turkish, pro-arab allies like the kurdish forces and others, to try to take the fight on the ground. keep in mind, the turks have been particular about one central issue. they need to see assad go in order to combat isis. that's the sticking point here. what do you do first? the u.s. has not been clear about what it wants to do first. it has said that assad has to go, but it is on the ground more concerned in terms of fighting
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isis rebels. that has led the moderate syrian rebels the u.s. was trying to prop up that are backed by golf -- gulf countries to throe their hands up and create this log jam. when you speak to the arab diplomats, they have expressed their frustration with the u.s., in saying russia has the upper hand in what they've pulled off with this alliance between iraq, iran and the syrian regime. >> thank you very much. thanks to chuck todd and andrea mitchell on set and ron allen at the u.n. as we mentioned, starting today, be sure to watch chuck todd every weekday on mtp daily. 5:00 p.m. eastern right here, where we'll see part two of the sit down with hillary clinton. >> including she has some tough things to say about her syria policy. >> we look forward to that at 5:00. there was in the last hour during andrea's show we saw putin talking about syria, saying it's a mistake not to cooperate with the syrian
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american people. the businessman touting it as a tax reduction for almost all citizens and corporations. he says the plan is simple, easy, fair and will make america great again. >> it will be a major tax reduction. it'll simplify the tax code. it'll grow the american economy at a level that it hasn't seen for decades. >> joining me now, katie who covers the trump campaign. host of msnbc's show, both with us. the highlights of the plan? >> he's going to get rid of tax, period, for millions of americans. anyone making an -- individual making under $25,000 and married couple $50,000 would not pay any taxes. sending the irs a letter saying, i win. that's interesting. also, other americans will get a zero, 10%, 20%, 25% tax rate,
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reducing the brackets from seven to four. the highest being 25%, which is interesting. the highest now is 39.6%, which means the rich will also get a big tax break with this. despite everything he's been saying on the trail. businesses of all sizes, be it a fortune 500 company or freelancer will only pay 15% tax. also, no death tax. no estate tax. >> ramping up one month away officially from the next presidential debate. he's the front runner. does he have the timing just right for this reveal, to keep him at the top? >> we'll see how this goes over. one of the interesting things is there's been populus rhetoric from donald trump when you look at taxes. when you actually start to look at the plan, as just outlined, the themes are consistent with what we've been hearing from republicans and conservatives. there are a few alterations. one is this thing involving carried interest. it's how hedge fund people, managers, make their money. they get a lower tax rate. he's talking about going after
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that. that could put him at odds with some conservatives. the other thing i think is interesting here is you think of the rhetoric we've been hearing from republicans throughout the obama administration. we've been hearing this idea of the number of changes. 47% of americans don't pay federal income tax. you hear this as a complaint. as if president obama let the americans take instead of make. here's donald trump proortionin he will take millions of people off the tax rolls. they asked, of lower income americans, do they or do they not pay enough in taxes? 40% believe lower income individuals pay too little. the split side is among republicans, 40% said the upper income americans don't pay enough. the rhetoric from donald trump about making hedge fund guys pay
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nowhere is our commitment to international order more tested than in syria. like wise, when a terrorist group beheads captives, slaughters the innocent and enslaves women, it's not a single nation's national security problem. that is an assault on all our humanity. >> that is president obama today speaking about isis before the u.n. general assembly. in a few hours, he meets with russian president vladimir putin about syria and other concerns. today, putin calling for an international coalition to fight syria. however, putin wants the u.s. and others to work with syria's dictator, bashar al assad, something the u.s. says it will not do. i want to bring in steve clemens, washington editor at large for the atlantic and msnbc
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contributor. good to see you. we look at "politico," calling this the smack want to play mor president obama had to say about putin. >> we continue to press for this crisis to be resolved. in a way that allows a sovereign and democratic ukraine to determine its future and control its territory. not because we want to isolate russia. we don't. but because we want a strong russia that's invested and working with us to strengthen the international system as a whole. >> this is really an interesting bilateral meeting where a lot of topics are on the table. syria being one, also crimea and the annexation, military annexation, by russia. the kremlin said the white house requested the sit down. the white house says it's the other way around. who has the stronger hand going into this and the most to gain from this meeting? >> russia, like chuck todd said, has the stronger hand in regards to syria. we have the stronger hand in the
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sense that -- or barack obama has the stronger hand in the nuclear deal, the relations between cuba and the united states. obama has a momentum in certain things. putin is projecting power and raising the stock of his influence over key issues. it is an important meeting, and who has the upper hand may be less of an issue than the fact that these two people meeting is a vital, vital part of managing superpower relations, even when we don't get along and see the world in the same way. >> senator mccain came out about the president meeting with putin. president obama's decision to meet with putin is misguided and unnecessary. it plays into putin's plans by breaking his international isolation, undermining u.s. policy and legitimizing putin's destabilizing behavior. is this more likely to hurt the president politically, or do you think this is better for good will on the global stage?
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>> i think it is better if you want to have a pragmatic solution down the road on syria, and i think it's vital in the aftermath of the iran deal in which russia was a vital and key part. you want to con sesolidate the momentum and at least have discussions. to not communicate with putin is a mistake. he made himself an immovable factor now in the syria conflict. discussing with him where it's going to go, we just heard from rouhani interesting words about the potential for a new order in syria, the potential for democracy in syria. john kerry seeing iran as playing a destructive role in syria. these are new words we haven't heard before. to think you can isolate russia and move forward, instead of continuing this awful situation in syria, i think, is a real mistake. >> again, presidents obama and
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putin meeting around 5:00 p.m. today. steve, thanks for your time. >> thanks. i want to go to my colleague for a look at the reaction to today's question, which deals with the trust factor with putin. >> as the clock is ticking toward the meeting and hearing from steve, saying russia has the upper hand, especially when dealing with isis. should the united states trust putin to get rid of isis? we launched that at the top of the hour. here is how you're voting so far. 61% of the viewers say yes, the united states should trust vladimir putin. 39% say no. in real time, as you were having this conversation, i was watching this. we could see how it was changing and fluctuating. you could see up and down versus when the conversation first started early on. it was a consistent yes. now, this is changed, dipping down to no. as we continue our conversation leading up to the leading, we continue to ask you, should the u.s. isis? we'll check back in to see how
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this swayed at all based on how the votes are coming. >> surprising off the top. we can put into the equation here a war-weary america. not wanting to get itself involved. we shall see how it plays out. thanks so much. we turn to developing news on the democratic side of the presidential race. the former secretary of state was on "meet the press," explaining why her e-mail controversy continues to swirl, especially now that new ones have surfaced between her and general david petraeus, january 2009, when clinton said she didn't start using the e-mail account for personal reasons until march of '09. >> well, everything that we had access to was certainly out there. the reason we know about the e-mail chain with general petraeus is because it was on a government server. so from my perspective, we have a very thorough review process we conducted.
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my attorneys supervised it and went through everything. what we had available at the time was turned over. >> nbc news obtained this statement from a clinton campaign aid. quote, the clinton e-mail account started being hosted on the server in march of 2009. that's why server records only start then. the domain was purchased in january, and it appears she started using it. in a separate interview on cnn, her husband, former president bill clinton, says republicans are trying to use the controversy against her. >> the other party doesn't want to run against her, and if they do, they'd like her as mangled up as possible. they know that if they leak things and say things that is catnip to the people who get bored talking about, what's your position on student loan relief, or dealing with the shorage of mental health care or what to do
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with the epidemic of prescription drugs and heroin in america. >> joining me now, alex, who was covering the clinton campaign. we look at the latest wall street journal poll, showing the race tightening between clinton and bernie sanders. we saw the response from the e-mail controversy. what are they doing to try to get the controversy behind them and focus on what their political foundation points are? >> yeah, thomas, they're stuck in this negative feedback loop of bad numbers and bad stories. every time a bad story comes out, it drives down her poll numbers which become their own negative story and drive them down more. there's not a lot they can do, other than hold on tight and try to make it through. bill clinton in a separate interview today with cnbc said that he thinks this will burn out, and he's glad it's happening in 2015, not 2016. there is some relief potentially in the future for them. october 22nd, circle your
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calendar, is when hillary clinton is going before congress, the benghazi committee to testify, and they're hoping this will be an exhaustive multi-hour conversations where she lays out everything on the e-mails, answers every last question, and maybe, just maybe, we can move on after that. >> we shall see. alex, great to see you. thank you. as pope francis was leaving the u.s., he has parting words for survives of the sexual abuse scandal. we'll get the response from him coming up. and before getting off the plane, the pontiff spoke about religious objectors to marriage equality. did the holy father throw his support behind kim davis? first, before leaving philadelphia, pope francis met with a younger fan. look at this. you might call her a pint sized pontiff. the mini pope, a baby girl, was dressed up like the pope. pope francis had security bring the girl over and thanked her parents for their sense of
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pope francis is back in the vatican after his historic trip to cuba and the united states. the pope immediately paid a private visit to st. mary upon his return to express thanks as he customarily does after a trip abroad. he laid a bouquet of flowers at the alter and spent minutes in private prayer at the basilica. in a tweet, the pope expressed his gratitude to the u.s. with my heart melt thanks, may the love of christ always guide the american people. the pope explained he was not going easy on bishops when he offered words of compassion over the sexual abuse scandal. >> translator: one must not cover these things up. those who covered this up are guilty, even some bishops who covered it up. >> on sunday, the upon safe met with sexual abuse survivors in
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philadelphia and promised to hold those responsible in the church accountable. joining me now is david, the director of survivors network of those abused by priests, also known as snap. david, good to have you here. yesterday, as i was saying, the pope met with the seminarians and bishops from around the world. i want to show what he had to say. take a look. >> translator: god weeps. for the sexual abuse of children. these cannot be maintained in secret. >> david, do you think that what the pope expressed in that moment was enough for those here in the states that were wondering how he would address the sexual abuse scandal? >> unfortunately, i don't. you know, words don't protect kids. action protects kids. unfortunately, this pope refuses, like his predecessors,
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to take steps that safeguard kids. he's extraordinarily popular, humble, lovable, down to earth, and he's done a lot for church morale, church governance and finances. on this scandal, i would challenge catholics to name a single tangible step he's taken to expose a predator or defer a coverup on punish an enable lr. he talks about it but refuses to take the action needed, unfortunately. >> in philadelphia, pope francis met with victims of abuse, and not just by clergy, but educators, psafamily members. a vatican spokesperson said they wanted to take a larger perspective on the problem of sexual abuse. one thing though for pope francis, and we know that there have been times he's been abused of not getting it, but it created a commission of experts to advise the vatican on best practices, also created a tribunal to persecute bishops.
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is it your feeling that things have not been done with enough emphasis sis? >> absolutely. first of all, the tribunal has not been set up yet. the pope do so. secondly, what we don't need are more internal church panels and policies and procedures and protocols. i mean, let's face it. it's a crime to molest a kid and a crime to withhold evidence from the police. we hope the pope would simply turn over every single record in the vatican to law enforcement and demand that bishops across the world do that. this is the fundamental divide here. secular authorities and concerned catholics and victims want the matters to be handled in the secular justice system. church officials insist on trying to handle them internally. that's a recipe for disaster. it continues to be. >> how do you think, though, that the people that are suffering in silence, people that have been abused or
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victimized through the catholic church and they haven't come forward yet see pope francis, see the mercy, see his statements about wanting to support and believe in victims, do you think that's going to help give people the confidence they need to raise their hand and come forward? >> i hope so. but quite honestly, we are forgetting the real people who need our help and emphasis right now. that's kids being assaulted right now across the globe by priests and nuns and bishops and others. to be perfectly blunt, adults can heal ourselves. from horrible childhood trauma. it is helpful but kids cannot protect themselves without decisive action from church officials who have these files, know who the predators are and continue to sit on these secrets despite the pope's promises yesterday that the secrecy must end. we have to keep our eyes of tn
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prize and the prize is vulnerable kids right now who need our help and need the pope's help to be safeguarded from these predators. >> david clohessy, thanks for your time. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. thank you. an update on a breaking news story we had last week. a young woman involved in thursday's duck boat crash in washington state died from the injuries. the 20-year-old was hospitalized since the accident. four of her class mamates were o killed. national transportation safety board is investigating the crash and says the boat had not received an axle repair recommended back in 2013.
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voting restrictions saying that black lives matter, black citizens matter, black families matter. trevor noah has a unique take on the black lives matter movement. the new daily show host talked to nbc's amber payne of growing up in south africa in apartheid and impacted his views on the black lives matter movement. >> to compare them, i always be careful not to, but racial tension is something you can compare in the world and doesn't matter america, south africa, uk, it is different degrees of the same thing and gives me a different perspective on it and make me informed than i would be if i wasn't a part of that. i don't like to say i know or i don't know. i understand racial tensions because i come from a place with some of the worst racial tensions and restrictions in the world. so coming to america, i go, this is a familiar thing. and i think we're all fighting the same injustices everywhere
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institution is supposed to defend. [ applause ] >> in his speech today, vladimir putin spoke of forming an anti-isis coalition. however both he and iran's president say today they want al assad to be part of the coalition. president obama also talked about ukraine. there he used some of the same language to describe why russia must work with international partners to promote democratic movement and why u.s. policies in ukraine, syria and elsewhere are not some new cold war aimed at russia. >> not because we want to isolate russia. we don't. but because we want a strong russia invested in working with us to strengthen the international system as a whole. >> chris jansing is our new york correspondent. let's talk about this big meeting taking place. >> wow. >> and also the white house position on the assad regime. because it was vladimir putin
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who said it's a mistake not to cooperate with the syrian government. our position completely different. >> we couldn't be more opposed about how we got to this position, why syria is such a mess, what prompted the refugee crisis. what should be done about it. on every single level, thomas, that disagreement was out there for the public to see today. i think it made for a dramatic start to the day and really setting up this meeting between the president and vladimir putin. remember, these two have not sat down face to face for two years, it is a frosty relationship. white house officials like to say it's a business-like relationship. when you see them together and hear what they had to say today, you realize how far apart they are. look at how they see assad. mr. putin said he's a bullwork against isis, he is what's standing between even a wider expansion of terror in that region. mr. obama says that he has to
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leave before the conflict in syria is settled. so you have them on two opposite sides. you hear vladimir putin say, he's critical to stability in the region. while president obama is calling him a tyrant. and meantime, the pressure is building because the european nations who have borne the brunt of what's happened here with the refugee crisis, they have suffered the most, obviously, outside of those who are being persecuted within syria and murdered within syria to come up with a solution and nobody thinks there's a quick solution and easy solution or as a matter of fact this is going to stop before hundreds of thousands if not more refugees continue to flee. >> one thing that's interesting, chris, both men spoke about democracy, even iran president's rowhani and expanding democracy and the perspectives it takes to do that. it seemed vladimir putin touched on that saying that the u.n. is a place to see other nation's perspectives and then come up
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with a compromise. do we expect anything substantial out of this meeting? >> this is going to be very difficult. look, you had a situation where just yesterday we saw vladimir putin who has shown himself particularly in the situation in syria to have an ability to inject himself at a critical moment and seem like he's riding to the rescue. he's taken on the mantle of i'm the person who's going to assemble the coalition to fight isis whereas that is something that not only president obama but the coalition that he built a year ago when this situation was getting so bad has really continued to have throughout this process. so, you have someone who has come out and this is what is sort of classic with the u.n. speeches which we should say are supposed to last 15 minutes and often go on for much longer than that, but so this is the opportunity, right, for them to send a message to their constituents, to the world and to that other person. when you heard what barack obama
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and vladimir putin had to say today, it is hard to see they go into the meeting this afternoon or early this evening with sort of an idea that we're going to bridge this huge chasm. >> all right. hopefully a first step, a baby step in the right direction. greet see you. thank you. >> the white house thinks so. >> all right. we're joined now by congressman an gus king. that's raul. do we have the senator? >> i'm here. >> there he is. senator king, great to see you, sir. >> yes, thomas. >> when we were listening to president obama and his speech, also hearing from vladimir putin and he feels that we need to be supportive of the syria government, do you feel al assad needs to go and who should be his replace snmt. >> yes. assad is the islamic state's evil twin and brought them into existence in the first place and all fighting against including all kinds of other opposition who aren't islamic state and
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aren't jihadists. the trouble with putin's position is that as long as assad is there, there's going to be a war going on there. and assad hasn't, you know, he makes it worse every day. barrel bombs his own people. creating all these refugees. russia could play a constructive role here because assad has been their client for many years. but the constructive role would be to ease him out in some way, leave some structure of government there, and then allow some kind of new government to in place that involves at least the moderate opposition, what's left of it after the last three years but to say that somehow you can fight isil and leave assad, i just -- that just doesn't pass the straight face test. >> war is a business. there are people around the globe that are making money from the destabilization of these zones. >> i think that's always the case but sometimes gets to a -- that gets more attention than it
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deserves. i don't think business interests are driving this. i think they're geopolitical interests. russia wants a foothold in the middle east and the last place they have left is northwestern syria and i think they want to secure that. but that ought to be part of the negotiation instead of saying assad himself has to stay. he's become the symbol of this oppressive regime that bombs its own people and as long as he's there, it is hard. on the other hand, if russia wants to join the coalition and help us and many others, to take on isil, that would be fine but if it's -- you know, we got to prop up assad. what is the real motivation, to take on isil or prop up assad? if it's the latter, it's policy that ultimately is not going to work. the best thing they could do to help us confront isil is to ease assad out. >> gop front-runner donald trump gives his blessing to vladimir putin to go in and take care of
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isis. he did so on "60 minutes." take a lock. >> if you look at syria, russia wants to get rid of isis. maybe let russia do it. what the hell do we care? >> okay. that's syria. what about iraq? with isis. >> with isis in iraq, you got to knock them out. >> how do you do that? >> fight them. you have to fight them. >> on the ground? >> if you need, tough do that, yes. >> so what do you make of that, senator? do you think that's a strategy that we could consider? >> i think the problem with his analysis is ignoring what brought isis into existence in the first place which is assad and the fact that assad is as i say killing his own people. driving half the population of syria into external or internal exile and so to say, oh yeah, let's just turn the syria anti-isil operation over to russia would cement assad into place which would only further the conflict and, you know, i'm
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not sure russia would have any better luck in syria trying to pull that off than they did in afghanistan 25 or 30 years ago. so i don't -- i do think there's a place for a relationship with russia because we do have a common interest. they're worried about the rise of isis. they're worried about terrorists and jihadists in chechnya and their country. they have a concern. let's build on that but to say assad has to stay for them to be involved and helpful, that's just not going to work. >> senator king, sir, thank you for being with us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> one thing to get in this conversation, chris, your amazing producer posted this talking about the first interactions of obama and putin. they did shake hands. president obama delivered a brief toast, i guess over a lunch, but they ended with never abandon the pursuit of peace. the president clinked with glasses and did not with putin sitting one seat over from him.
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president obama barely looked in that direction. they said they did shake hands. >> i mean, when you listen to putin's speech, he went after the president pretty strongly. he openly mocked the training program that the -- and frankly, training program that has not worked, you know, to help fight isis. but, let me just say one more thing about the meeting from the white house perspective, thomas. they will acknowledge as the president did today that the iran nuclear deal was helped along by the russians. they have said very clearly they believe you have to engage your enemies as well as your friends to make progress. so that's really what this meeting is about today. a belief on the part of this president and this administration that they can go in there and potentially make some progress, in syria, against isis. they have said if russia wants to help us with isis, we are all for that help but as you can see from that report, from what happened just a short time ago, with a healthy dose of skepticism.
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>> all right. chris, thanks so much. it was in the last hour we heard from iran's president rowhani. next hour hearing from cuba's president raul castro and bringing in nbc news teheran bureau chief and raul reyes. ali, talking about iran, iraq, syria, they've entered into a new square of points of intelligence sharing agreement. tell us more about it. is it really that new? >> well, thomas, not that new but it is an important coalition of mainly shia countries and it is strategically very important for iran. syria and iraq are very, very strategic countries for iran. iran invested a lot of political capital and money in syria and they want to keep assad in power. if assad was to go, if there was to be a formula for assad to go, iran has to be on board and they have to be comfortable with them
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and ultimately they have to be somebody that they would be able to control like they do assad or it's not going to work for the i irani iranians. they don't want to lose the foothold in syria or iraq which they had a long war with and overcome serious problems to wield a lot of influence in iraq. so these places are very important for iran. russia has been a strategic ally of iran even in the nuclear talks so it's a comfortable relationship they have with them. as opposed to the united states. even if president obama is saying that iran needs to be brought in to the conversation about syria, being a key player there, a thing to look at here is that even though there was a u.n. summit today on how to fight isis in the middle east, iran wasn't invited so that because it's still regarded as a state sponsor of terrorism. so there's still some major differences between these two countries, even if they want iran to be a player there. they don't know how to bring
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them in. thomas? >> ali, thank you so much. raul, let's bring you into the conversation. we expect to hear coming up in the 3:00 p.m. hour from raul castro. do we know what the expectations are as he enters the world stage? >> well, one thing i think that's going to be significant about his address today, this is his debut at the general assembly. this is a very historic occasion. unlike many of the representatives of the different nations when they're at the general assembly, castro is playing to three distinct audiences here in the united states rather than the cuban people at home. i think going to be giving a very conciliatory speech to win over the american business community to put hopefully more pressure on congress, ditto for the american public and most importantly, with so much attention focused on the speech, he knows that congress will be paying attention and obviously they are the big stumbling block to ending the embargo. now, on his side, one thing i think he is banking on and feels
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confident in this, the american public broadly supports ending the embargo and a majority of republicans, i believe 56%, even cuban americans, 51%. so we're at a juncture where i believe he tries to push lawmakers and our congressional leaders to catch up with where the american public is. and yesterday when he was at the sustainability development summit he mentioned that the u.s. embargo cost cuba about $122 billion in economic damages and putting out the numbers sending a signal to congress that could be revenue, business interests. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> chris, while you're here, an update on what could have been toast-gate because now we have official word, kristen o'donnell saying there's an image that does so the president and vladimir putin toasting and actually bringing their glasses together. yes. >> the report also is that mr.
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putin appeared to be smiling a little bit. the president decidedly not. ben rhodes was on andrea's show today and everyone is watching this and trying to read a little bit -- >> overprocess it. >> yeah. let's see what comes out of the meeting. what we did hear today, though, from the two leaders and saying about each other would indicate that frostiness we have heard about in their relationship. >> it says here in the toast ban ki-moon said there's no such thing as a free lunch. he urged the world leaders to return to the countries and meet. it's pretty fascinating stuff. i'll give you your device back. it's very important. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> so the clinton campaign ramps up the defense and the e-mail-gate gains steam and marriage equality and religious objectors. did he weigh in and give support to kentucky clerk kim davis? and big news from nasa.
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welcome back, everybody. big question today, as we look at the clinton campaign, are they in another day of damage control mode? this comes one day after the former secretary of state was on "meet the press" to answer questions about why e-mails between herself and general petraeus are dated in january of '09 and initially said that her personal e-mail account was set up in march of '09. take a look at part of the exchange. >> i guess what i'm trying to figure out is if you said in march that the e-mail system began in march of '09 and the same address in january. explain that. >> there was a transition period. you know, i wasn't that focused on my e-mail account to be clear
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here. >> joining me now is former michigan governor jennifer granholm. she is defending hillary clinton from what it says are baseless attacks. govern governor, it is great to see you. >> great to see you, too. >> i know you'll be watching chuck todd with part 2 coming up today at 5:00 with the former secretary and we know that mrs. clinton acknowledged the drip-drip of the e-mail controversy but is it the fact seeing the campaign getting caught in inacucuracies and omissions that seem to be the biggest problem to stopping the controversy or questions around it? >> actually, no. i mean, i hope people go back and watch if they missed it yesterday. she was great in the interview and she has said she'll answer questions on this e-mail thing until you all feel like you have every little detail you could possibly want and then maybe,
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maybe you could start asking about, for example, the prescription drug policy that she put out last week or the effort to reduce student debt. i think, you know, she's going to answer and she is going to continue to go on and in a few moments she is doing a facebook appearance. she is going to continue to answer every single question. it is not -- you know, she's not afraid of doing that. at all. and, she hopes that we'll be able to get on to some of the policies she is putting out and for how she will grow people's income and change people's lives. >> one thing we do know, as well, her husband obviously a big supporter and he was on talking about what this has meant. take a look at bill clinton sunday tv. here's what he had to say about it. >> i think that -- that there are lots of people who wanted there to be a race for different reasons.
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and the only way to make it a race is a full-scale frontal assault on her and this e-mail thing became the biggest story in the world. >> so one thing that hillary clinton said that, you know, obviously my husband gets upset when i'm attacked. that's natural and everybody can understand that. do you think, though, that this is not a made-up controversy? this is something that really exists but it's something they can't seem at least from hillary clinton's standpoint to get out of her own way? >> well, i mean, first of all, clearly, they're not blaming others for the fact that she had a private server. she said she takes responsibility for that. she said it repeatedly. it was not a good idea. she regrets that she made that choice. but it is not controversial at all, thomas. i'm sure you would know that the republicans want to use this to attack her and do everything they can, of course, to keep it on the front burner of everything. they're only too delighted to make sure that this continues to
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stay on the forefront. so both will happen. she is going to continue to talk about it as much as anybody wants to ask her about it. hopefully some point they put it behind them and the media moves on tired of it but there is no doubt that the republicans will spend lots of money, lots of money to try to keep it on the front burner. >> all right. meantime, we see how competitive the race is tightening up to be. bernie sanders, joe biden not in the race and 17% and cnn announced that if the vice president does announce to run as late as the day of next month's first democratic debate, he is going to be invited to participate in that. so is the campaign worried about the clamor from some corners of biden to get in to this race that he would really take away from the secretary's lead? >> well, first of all, i think the campaign wants there to be a robust discussion of the issues. and of course, joe biden would
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bring some of that. you know, he's going to make his decision about whether this is the right time for him. but if he's in the debate, it will be a good debate. if he's not in the debate, it will still be a good debate and important for democrats to get the issues out because i know the republicans have gotten a lot of attention and such an important contrast between the two sides. >> we are waiting for a show from the left. that's for sure. former michigan governor granholm, thank you. >> appreciate it. new poll shows 6 in 10 americans say they're opposed to completely eliminating planned parenthood's federal funding and it comes as the organization continues to come under fire as a string of secretly taped videos showing planned parenthood employees talking about the use of fetal tissue and organs. one of the organization's fiercest critics carly fiorina clashed with chuck todd standing by the description of a scene in one of the videos.
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beheads captives, slaughters the innocent and enslaves women, it is not a single nation's national security problem. that is an assault on humanity. >> the u.s. and vladimir putin, however, are opposed how to defeat isis. president obama's demands assad step down. putin says any successful solution must include the syrian president. michael kay is an ex-british officer and an adviser and an ex-helicopter pilot and missions included flying inside iraq. so, mikey, good to have you here and talking about what all of this means, let's take a look at the scenarios here. two stories, one says in the last year, 70 people traped, armed and put in syria and another reports the u.s. military said 70 rebels entered and handed over the equipment almost immediately. entering this country. so explain what's going wrong.
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why can't we get this right? >> well, firstly, there's a tacet understanding that military air strikes won't achieve what the military needs to achieve in syria alone. there's acquiesce eacross the ground. how the u.s. is involved is the question. special forces capabilities. j-tac, guiding the missiles and the bombs in, whether it's advisers or more of a conventional presence on the ground. so that's the first thing. division 30 is what this program's all about and it was about training, assisting and equipping the rebels but there was a mandate specifically on that and target the islamic state only and not assad and therein lies the problem. so if we take a step back, we should be looking more holistically at this. is the u.s. willing to commit conventional forces on the ground? if not, they have to look at other ways to produce that ground force for the effect and the kurds for example might be a
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good example of how to do that. >> looking at the u.s. policy, there's critics here and abroad saying because of the failures we have been witnessing that the u.s. needs to re-evaluate the policy and the opposition to having bashar al assad lead syria. you wrote about the humanitarian crisis there and born out of all of this. do you think assad needs to go? >> i think assad will have a short-term role and the short-term role will be bringing the political parties around the table. if you look at -- remember the national dialogue conference with an agreement that he would stand down, sorry, in order for the discussions to take place and needs to be a political agreement that assad will stand down. now, we must look at putin and look at crimea to understand what putin's mind set is for syria. basically, because of western sanctions, the drop in the price of oil, putin and russia are
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hurting and he'll protect every means the access to the global lines of communication he has through the sea and that's the black sea fleet which was on crimea. that gives him access to the mediterranean, the middle east. that's important only militarily but also supremely important because of the economy and that's what he's doing in syria. he has access to the mediterranean and the other areas of the suez and key and driving the chess game in syria at the moment. >> we continue to watch it play out. the u.n. meeting again, the president meeting with vladimir putin this afternoon. mikey, thank you. appreciate it. vladimir putin is the focus of the bing pulse question today and with him set to have the meeting with president obama, we have been asking should the u.s. trust vladimir putin to get rid of isis? so, let's take a look at how people are casting their votes today. 64% of you think, yes. 36% of you say, no. keep the conversation going.
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turning now to 2016 politics and the race on the gop side turning into an even tighter horse race of donald trump and ben carson. two separated by just one point with trump still leading nationally. meanwhile, this morning trump took another step to try to show how serious of a presidential candidate he is unveiling the tax plan. >> i don't think it's supply side or anything else. i think this is a common sense, well thought out tax proposal that's going to trigger the economy, going to make everybody go back and really want to work. it's going to create tremendous numbers of jobs. >> joining me now msnbc political reporter kasie hunt and "the washington post's" ed okeefe with a piece on the trump campaign today. kasie, how does the tax plan
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stack up to the plans of other candidates? >> reporter: thomas, good afternoon. if you compare this plan, this is as you say a detailed plan, something of an evolution in trump's campaign. it is more detailed in many ways on the the immigration proposal and gun rights proposal laid out earlier and still trying to get a sense of how much this tax plan might cost. trump estimates that it would be revenue neutral over ten years and not cost the government any extra money but if you look at plans laid out by other republicans, jeb bush and marco rubio namely, both plans between $3 trillion and $4 trillion over 10 years and at this point trump's plan appears to be more expensive but we're waiting on more detailed annualysis and doesn't touch the mortgage reduction and lowering rates and hard to see how it doesn't end up being more expensive in the long run. other thing to point out is he
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doesn't say what he would do with the earned income tax benefit and that means that for millions of low income americans they have a negative tax rate and while trump is saying i'm going to take it down to zero, that's actually potentially misleading and could lead some lower income people to be paying more taxes, thomas. >> thanks so much. ed o'keefe of "the washington post" and, ed, your article about jeb bush today. the headline, make or break time for jeb bush. explain why this is such a crucial period for him. >> well, look at your most recent polls. 7% nationally among republicans. the concern is his lead he once enjoyed over the summer just about evaporated or cut in half and speaking in recent days with people that give money to the campaign saying they have a month or so to turn things around or start seeing financial donors fleeing for other candidates. the situation is such that he
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continues to drop and seen senator rubio step it up a little bit and enjoy better polling and continuing to have a fight of carson, trump and fiorina and not necessarily seen their support drop that much in the last few weeks so little bit of concern of donors always the most nervous with campaigns and they're giving a lot of money and make sure it's being spent properly and the bush campaign convinced they'll be all right and reserved just shy of $8 million in advertising time in january and february. >> wow. >> signal to their supporters and rival this is they've got the cash needed or they think they will to pay for that advertising right before the caucuses and primaries. >> right now the time to get out there and busy before the next debate on cnbc coming up october 28th. thanks so much. we want to bring in my colleague francis with new reporting of the jeb bush camp. what did you dig snup. >> we were wanting to get jeb bush's reaction to this and with
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the headline alone from ed o'keefe, make or break time for jeb and specifically reached out to them. i heard back from emily benvenidas, with a warning of donors defecting, she gave me this quote. as americans continue to learn about jeb's conservative record of reform, cutting taxes, eliminating government waste, protecting life and reforming broken government programs, his message is resonating and mentions jeb bush's top priority for an economic 4% growth and maybe given donald trump's message of the tax plan and says this vision is what americans are looking for and it is what jeb will deliver. so, went back and forth with her and said specifically, i understand that part of the statement, but what about this warning from the top donors saying that he needs to have an increase in this numbers,
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especially from the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll showing fifth place, 7%? still haven't heard back and waiting to see what jeb bush says about that, especially with a number of the amount that he's sinking in with the advertising and the months to come. thomas? >> threatpretty wild to think t spending that money. great job. thank you. coming up at 4:00, kate snow talks to south carolina senator and 2016 presidential hopeful lindsey graham. it was an emotional day in court as a weeping joyce mitchell sentenced to up seven years behind bars for helping two inmates escape a new york prison in june. in july, the former prison worker pleaded guilty to prov e providing the tools that helped matt and sweat break out of the clinton correctional facility. convicted killers led police on a three-week manhunt and ended with matt's death and sweat's capture just before the sentencing, mitchell apologized
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>> well, are they unrealistic about what can be done in government? that's the -- >> absolutely they oar unrealistic! but, you know, the bible says beware of false prophets and there are people out there, you know, spread iing noise about h much can get done. i mean, this whole idea to shut down the government to get rid of obamacare in 2013, this plan never had a chance. >> so joining me now is pennsylvania republican representative charlie dent. i saw you over the weekend at the global citizens festival here in new york. we talked privately about your reaction to this. do you mind telling everybody about the story you told me about what you thought when you heard this and said to the speaker? >> well, you know, i -- well, i was first let me say, thank you, thomas, for having me. i was surprised but not shocked by the announcement. i just feel that my reaction to
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the situation was quite simply this. that the speaker is principled man, he was trying to govern and it seemed that some members criticized him for doing just that. i did say to the speaker shortly after he made the announcement, you know, that's no crying in congress except today. i thought it was a -- i didn't like the circumstances under which this speaker had stepped down so i was rather saddened by that but that said we have the move forward now and the issues are just as difficult and frankly we'll go through a turbulent time right now. >> i love that you're willing to share that story. thank you very much and the fact to join me while there's major construction it sounds like going on behind you. i appreciate that. do you think that mccarthy is a lock to become speaker? if so, is he going to face the same uphill battle that john boehner has faced in getting the republicans unified? >> well, yeah, mccarthy is a good and decent man and, yes, he is in the strongest position to
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become the next speaker but he has to face the same issues that faced john boehner. i feel sorry for the next speaker. the people trying to take down john boehner will try to frag the next guy. kevin will have to deal with five issues. the continuing resolution, which we need to deal with this week, the debt ceiling, a transportation bill, a budget agreement/omnibus appropriations and tax extenders. all five must be dealt with. and they're going to require a bipartisan coalition to pass them. everybody knows this going into the debates. i believe the next speaker and the next majority leader are going to have to come to a bipartisan agreement before they put the bills on the house floor and make this as least painful as possible. that's my view. >> do you think, though, that as we think about a government shutdown coming, you are on the house appropriations committee, is speaker john boehner right he is confident there's not a
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government shutdown come october 1st? >> i don't believe there will be a shutdown but accidents happen around here. it would be a terrible mistake to shut down the government. whether you like planned parenthood or not, that's not the issue. we shouldn't shut the government down over there. i believe that now that the speaker announced he is not serving the term, i think that takes pressure off and should lead us to a resolution and still could be drama between now and the end of september 30th. >> congressman of pennsylvania, great the see you. thank you for taking time for me. i appreciate. >> great seeing you. thanks for being with me over the weekend. enjoyed chatting with you up there. >> a fantastic time for global citizen. thank you, sir. >> thank you. a major break through of nasa has experts taking a closer look at the red planet. we'll explain.
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have you heard about this? nasa announcing potentially
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game-changing news about mars. the space agency shows what appears to be intermittent flowing wert on the surface of the red planet. they discovered possible water streaks, the dark streaks, on the left side snaking down mountains in the planet's warm months. the warm months a balmy 10 degrees below 0. derrick pitts is with the franklin institute in pennsylvania joining us. what did the researchers find and what's it reveal we hadn't known before about mars? >> well, first of all, i love your use of the term balmy. what a great way to think of mars. it is not exactly that but we'll take it. so what does this discovery indicates is's currently liquid water on mars and looking in just the right season and just the right locations, you can actually see where some of this water is actually wetting a very thin layer of soil going down the inside of craters and that's
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very important discovery because while nasa has known, while some researchers i should say have known for a few years there's been this phenomenon happening, they haven't been certain of what the mechanism was or if it was actually liquid water. so the recent discovery, use a speck to scopic analysis to look at the materials or the substances in these streaks having found that it looks very much like salt, they're interpreting to be committed by salty brines that trickle down the layers, the upper surface layers of these craters leaving these dark marks. >> all right. so really amazing about the red planet. can we talk about the supermoon last night, aka the blood moon and the conditions that led to the phenomenal? we climbed to the roof, derrick, last night at 10:11 to see this. clouds over new york city. >> too bad. >> i stayed up late and then
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didn't get to see it. what were the conditions that brought this on? >> so the conditions that brought this on, a situation, we know it as the lunar eclipse, the earth passes between the sun and the moon and the shadow of the earth falls on the surface of the moon. this kind of a situation could occur once a month if the geometry of the three bodies was just perfect but it isn't and we only can see eclipses potentially only twice a year. but over the last four years, we have been able to see four total lunar eclipses separated by six months and been an interesting record over two years. >> the next blood moon isn't going to happen until 2033. so i have to set my calendar? >> that's true. we have to think of it another way. the moon can look very much red in any lou mar eclipse and in this particular case there's another lou mar eclipse in january of 2018.
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>> okay. >> and at that time, we can see lovely red color then, too. >> all right. i'm going to hopefully see that one. great to see you. thank you so much. thanks for your time. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. eastern. we have a new show coming up here "mtp daily" hosted by chuck todd. kate snow picks up the coverage next. t it! with jublia. jublia is a prescription medicine used to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. are you getting this?! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. oh, epic moves, big j! fight it! getting ready for your close-up? ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. visit our website for savings on larger size. made with hydrogenated oil... ...but real joyful moments are shared over the real cream in reddi-wip.
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highest earners. the mars break through, nasa announces the startling discovery of liquid water on the red planet. could it exist there now? we begin this afternoon with a very busy opening day at the 70th annual session of the united nations general assembly and focusing on the dire situation in syria. president obama will hold a high-stakes meeting with russian president vladimir putin, it is the first in over two years. and we have already gotten some insight into how tense that meeting might be. both president obama and putin addressing the general assembly earlier today at the u.n. and president obama spoke first with a hard line against syrian president bashar al assad. >> nowhere is our commitment to international order more tested than in syria. when

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