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accident and as a result is now driving on the inside lane about 15 miles an hour. >> always afraid of being t-boned. >> what it up. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." now is time for "msnbc live" up next. nice to be with you this morning. i'm frances rivera in for jose diaz-balart. >> almost two feet caused deadly flooding in the carolinas. emergency workers are going door to door searching for anyone trapped over the weekend. police helped over 90 people evacuate their homes last night in a suburb just outside of hard-hit columbia.
>> we knew it was probably going to rise so we thought we would leave. >> reporter: was there a point at which you thought you were in trouble? >> it had already come all the way to the porch. i don't know who called rescue in to come get us but somebody did. >> at last seven people have died. the governor is asking people to stay off the roads. flooding has also threatened the drinking water supply for hundreds of thousands in the state. capital of columbia. so how much longer will this last? we begin with nbc meteorologist bill karins. the skies may be clearing here but certainly the trouble isn't over. >> no, we're not completely done with the storm yet. i'd say we're 95 to 98% done with the damaging portion of
this storm. we still have a threat of a flash flood this morning. the setup was incredible. this was a 72-hour event of haifa rain in south carolina. even new york wasn't that bad it was was focussed we still have some heavy rain from the myrtle beach area up towards wilmingt n wilmington. there was a road collapse and boats are going in and rescuing people from their homes. dramatic scenes like that are still being played out. we saw one spot that was 26, almost 27 inches of rain. that's like a record snowfall, forget it's rain.
sumter, cainwho i, charleston, 20 inches of rain. three dams could not old the water. held up with rock and mud and earth, those gave way and all of that water rushed down through the town. hundreds of cars, hundreds of homes were flooded out, that's where we had a lot of dramatic pictures on sunday morning. the roads are almost impossible to get through. 312 road closiers in south carolina, 130 bridges are unpassable and damaged. there's another view of the radar. wilmington could deal with isolated flash flooding but that's about it. still flash flood warnings,
myrtle beach the biggest problems now, people downstream of those rivers will have to deal with flooding and possible evacuation, too. >> they're nowhere near done. we want to go live now to south carolina as we can see the water there behind you the result of three dams breaking. tell us more about their efforts there today, sara. >> fema is now under ground here. six people now confirmed dead in south carolina. that includes a department of transportation worker who was out working on the roads and his car was swept away by floodwaters. the city is under a water boil order. many people without running water entirely, thousands without power and a citywide
curfew now in effect. as you heard bill mention a second ago, the rain has lightened a little bit but a lot of it is shifting to the city. you can see the power here, cut right through the middle. that is a power line down and utility road completely washed out by the force of the water. at its peak, water of was running at 1.4 million gallons at a second. that's enough to fill two olympic size swimming pools every second, just to give you an idea of how much water they were dealing with here. a lot of school districts closed, a lot of offices closed today, heeding the warnings by officials for people to please stay off the roads, stay home if it's dry and safe there and let emergency workers continue to clear dedebury and help those in need, francis. >> thank you very much.
i want to bring in tom. >> we are still in the mode of making sure that the public is remaining safe and not going out and traveling if it is not absolutely positively imperative. we are still getting reports of problems with bridges, overpasses. dealing with the flooding conditions. we still have a number of counties operating and you state of emergency. we have at least six wealth-related deaths, possibly more that may be coming in later. boil water advisories for customers of the city of columbia and other muns palities in the midlands area.
over 35,000 people currently without drinking water or they're reporting low water pressure. also the six hospitals in the columbia area are reporting water problems. we have over 400 rords and 150 bridges closed due to flooding conditions. >> so all of this, that, we are responding to, tying to get a hold of this pick situation. >> i assume the priority is the search and rescue, making sure we're looking at video of people trapped in their homes. we've heard of children even be plucked from roof tops, all that knowing the still the safety of these residents is paramount. >> absolutely. we want to do everything we can to protect public safety. once the water reseeds, we'll
start dealing into the recovery part of the operation. if you are there in your home and you you are dry, you have power, stay there. it not worth risk talk to me a little bit with the situation hospitals. i understand it's getting more concerning, more dire with some hospitals maybe having to evacuate or transport their patience. >> it the situation where hospitals do have emergency plans they are implementing and assessing the situation. i know at least one hospital in the colombia area is bringing in an outside contractor to help them restore their drinking water service so they will be able to continue operating the other hospitals.
>> tom, thank you very much for your time. i know you have a lot on your play today in the next coming days dealing with everything. thank you, we appreciate the time. >> we'll continue monitoring the situation in south carolina. >> now to developing news out of oregon, where the campus of umpqua community college is to reopen today, not to class. >> here's wart of what she told her father. >> the shooter then comes to the center of the room and just begins to start shooting people. lacy at that point says to me, daddy, i knew that today i was going to die.
fourth day in, first college year. and she's saying she's going to die. >> morgan, already very raw hearing these knew details. but even more so when some of these students and staff return back to campus. >> reporter: that's right, frances, good morning. we are outside of ucc right now where faculty members will be allowed back on campus at 8:00 a.m. pacific time. and that's to prepare for the students' arrival. that's just to get their belongings, if they left anything in thursday's massacre that happened at 10:38 a.m. they're also here to have available mental health services. but on registered students with valid ifrmts d. cards will be allowed back on campus because of beefed up security. we heard from beefed up security, take a listen to what she had to say.
>> personally one of the sadder aspect for me is i received many, many, i would say almost a hundred messages of support from presidents and campus leaders who have had similar tragedies on their campus. this is not a club we wanted to join. >> dr. cavin said she was the newest member of the club and that the older members were taking care of her, however, this is a title she never, ever wanted to receive. >> the emergency system put in place didn't work in this case. >> reporter: well, dr. cavin said there are conflicting reports. some professors say as recently as december 21st, there was
supposed to be crawler thofs going to come across the computer screens of every faculty and student member. but professors here say they didn't receive that. they only received a direct e-mail four minutes after the event had happened and this they didn't receive any such things so now there is an on going investigation. >> there is new information that the ship that lost contract oaf four days ago after departing pr that that ship was lost at sea and the families have been notified. kristen dahlgren in jacksonville, florida. this were so the optimistic about finding the 33 crew
members on board. >> hi there, frances. this doesn't mean that somehow perhaps those highly trained crew members got into their survival suits, got into inflatable life ramts and got off the ship. theship was last heard from on thursday that, it had lost propulsion, that it was listing about 15 degrees. they found a 225 square mile debris ring. all of that has now led the coast guard that the ship won't down. but the search continues. right now there are two coast guard cutters out there, flans circling the area, flying in grid patterns, trying to see if there is any sign at all of those 33 men and women on board.
meantime, the families have been gathering here in jacksonville, florida, waiting for any word from their loved ones. >> we'll find out more when the coast guard briefs us. we'll bring you information from that. >> thank you very much. >> also ahead on this very busy monday morning, here on nsp and another event just 30 minutes from now. meanwhile, new poll numbers are giving donald trump's campaign s sow 2% back at the grocery store... and 3% back on gas... vince of the flying branzinos got a bankamericard cash rewards credit card, because he may earn his living jumping through hoops,
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also like to have a good time. so we'll mix it up a little bit in the campaign. >> with me is jim beamer. i want to ask you, as you know new hampshire politics pretty well, better than anyone possibly, tell us a little bit and give us an insight on what's happening with hillary clinton there. you talk about the early lead this summer. now it seems that it's flipped and then you have her on the "today" show this morning saying, yaf, especially when you have somebody from a next door neighbor state running against you. we've seen that time and time again in new hampshire when we've had neighbors from vermont and massachusetts running and doing very well here. the one thing i think the hillary clinton campaign has
going for them which will help going to the final stretch is the ground game being built here. we have a campaign that loots a lot like the automaker' ground 8 staff. the voters of new hampshire, this is the period where they start to tune in. through the summer months, it's a lot about personalities, a lot about use must stories. but the voters start to way the candidates on the issues,s they when he wart bill clinton was trailing paul tsongas. >> we know new hampshire was good to her in 2008. you're talking about the campaign being built now. what did you back in it the when
it comes to the staffing and everything that she needs on that level. but let's talk about the hillary clinton that's different now than the pill pill that's different in 2008. especially when it comes to new hampshire. what's changed? what is the difference between hillary then and now? >> well, i think first of all the type of town meetings that she's conducted fit much better with the way people in new hampshire want campaigns to be run. in '08 both barack obama and hillary clinton were doing big 3,000 opinion kens go gymnasium. it didn't give the voters an opportunity to -- they're wide open. nichb did ask a question. people think this is the bigg t
biggest. >> well, i can tell you i've gotten to know hillary clinton other the last few months, been a lot of her pends sat this the p she's waging a campaign that isn't just about talking but it's about listen approximately. >> and i'm convinced that issues like the prurn -- i believe it wouldn't have happened if hill hi hadn't gone out and listened toia. people. so this is a campaign that's a combination of telling you where she stands but listening to what's on the voter's mind. jim demers, i appreciate your
time. >> donald trump continues to lead in the early phase of key votes in iowa pa senior political mark murray is here. we've heard about the summer of trump and stumer of fling. is this more frm and certainly not with these new fail f -- he was leading by 16 points in that state a month ago. now his lead is just 5 over carly fiorina. in iowa his lead was seven points last month, now it's 5
pints. one of the dynamic that has always played out for donald trump is that about half of the republican party still seems to be against him. when he's been around 25, 30%, that has almost been his race so far. it's a little bit of erosion on his numbers. >> how are republicans faring with a debate in the jeb election like hillary clinton? >> donald trump, carly fiorina and jeb bushing doing very well against hillary clinton in the battleground states of iowa and new hampshire. those are two key beatle grounds that we have seen dim and we
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wow! back to the breaking news we are following out of south carolina. emergency crews out in force searching for anyone still trapped by floodwaters in the capital of columbia this morning. at least nine people are dead since thursday. days of rain have led to furious flooding in what's being called a thousand year storm. >> lord, lord, lord, no, my neighbors, two of my neighbors did not get out. as it was flooding, he had to stand on his lady cadillac. it took them a while to get them. they got the rowboat and the motor boat down there and saved the lady and that man.
>> you can see it. what? >> he just made a mistake. there it goes. >> i want to go to georgetown, the weather channel's ron blom. it seems like it's dry but everybody is waiting for things to make a turn for the better. >> they're hoping the rain is out of the pictures. they are now in myrtle beach. we had 17 1/2 inches, one weather observer had 19. front street is open for the first time and people are having to deal with this, pulling the carpet out of a couple dozen places that got hit. what also happened was the 20 inches of rain in town yesterday
morning, came sweeping through and in some cases came up through the foundation. at the doodle bug store next door, they powered out all of the water and this morning another four inches came in. they got an important deadline. next saturday is the wooden boat festival and they need a crowd to come back from the economic hit they've taken. >> reassuring to see somewhat businesses opening up and getting back to normal knowing the rest of the state is struggling so much. especially with more flood expected. thank you. now we continue to follow breaking news in the search for a missing cargo ship carrying 33 people. the coast guard is saying they believe the ship sank and is lost at sea. and the property is back in
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welcome back. it is being called a thousand year storm, deadly at that, with rain and flooding bringing several parts of south carolina to a virtual halt with power outages, infrastructure damage, boiled water orders. joining me is city council member michael seekings. i know just seeing from some of the images with so much of the city underwater continues to be very dangerous. how bad is it where you are? >> well, i'm right in the middle of downtown charleston. as you know, we are surrounded by water and we are really inundated. the city is wet, flooded, has been so since friday afternoon and it's dramatic. it's all over and it's shut down our city. >> well, we've seen that
especially with certain areas. i want to ask you, especially as you serve as transportation regional authority. how has flooding impacted those operations? >> our transit operation has been shut down since saturday. we've opened the first time in some limited routes today but still in the downtown core of charleston we are closed because, among other things, we've got over 75 roads in the area that are shut down but passable. it's going to be a while before we get up and fully running. >> and are rescue efforts still under way right now for residents there? >> well, in charleston the answer for residents is no, though we're still encouraging people to stay inside because there's lots of flooding. we've got cars all over the place and people still can get
out of their homes. it's a salvage operation down there now. >> it's hard not to think of charleston as we look at these images and remember what you went through with mhe emmanuel church shooting and knowing your community was so bruised and just beaten by that and now you're dealing with this. we've seen the resilience of the community then. talk a little bit about that now that you're going through this historic flooding. >> what a lot of people don't realize and if you've been here you see it is charleston is very small geographically. we've been testing in any manner of way this year. the mother emmanuel tragedy is just that but what it showed you from the minute that occurred is this community is tighter than ever. we've got amazing citizenry,
we've got people who really have come together and charleston is, i believe, as strong as it's ever been in the wake of some real tests, both in terms of the violence that occurred from someone outside of our community, from the storms that we couldn't control but what we can do here as a community is stick together and i will tell you if you were here today you would know that we are as strong as we've ever been. but it has been a long few months for all of us here. every person who lives here has gone through a tough time. >> you certainly know the positivity firsthand, especially when it comes to the situation now. you've helped out in a wedding that almost didn't take place. what happened there? >> in the middle of a huge storm, a wedding broke out. if you were here, you were here, if you weren't, you weren't coming.
people from all over the country were to have a wedding but nobody involved in the wedding, including the photographer or official could make it. i ended up performing the ceremony for them. it was a fantastic event i don't think they'll ever forget. it was a makeshift deal for sure. they were ever appreciative, again, of the charleston community. there were charleston students who heard about it and showed up with their cameras to be photographers. i think for that couple it is emblematic about how this community has rallied around all sorts of things. >> so if the weather doesn't bring any brightness there for charleston and your community, i'm sure stories like that certainly will. councilman michael seeking.
>> back now to breaking news on a missing cargo ship. in just a few moments, the coast guard is expected to announce that the ship sank and is lost at sea. they last contact with the ship four days ago. even though the coast guard is saying they believe the ship is lost at sea, it doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't survivor out there. >> right. and this search is continuing. so we're expecting to hear from the coast guard that they believe the ship sank but that doesn't mean they are going to stop looking for the 33 men and women who were on board that ship. the families have now been notified of this latest informing. they've been gathered here in jacksonville for days, they've been watching the news come in, the debris field that was found with life rings, life jackets, cargo and an oil sheen. there were clues out there, the coast guard putting all that together and saying it believes that the ship went down in the storm.
but there's the possibility that perhaps the crew abandoned ship. there were life boats and life board and survival suits on board. the families are hoping they were able to get off that ship, survive the 40 to 50-foot waves as hurricane joaquin went by and there are search planes in a grid pattern looking for any survivors. >> nbc's christian dahlgren, thank you very much. we're also monitoring that news conference from the coast guard that's expected within the next ten minutes. we'll bring it to you when it happens. and also still ahead as we take a live look as they prepare for that news conference, a minute from now a new supreme court gets under way.
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it is the first monday in october which means a term for the supreme court. in just a if you minutes the justices will meet for the first time since late july when they wrapped up what was arguably the most liberal session for the john roberts court. this time around justices will tackle issues including abortion, the death penalty, and public labor unions. msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber is here. you actually spoke with justice stephen breyer. what did he say? >> i was able to speak with him last week. he has a new book out about international law and the court. there are four different cases dealing with aspects of the death penalty when last week we saw several lower courts stay executions around these problems. i asked him why he argued in a dissent that the court should consider the larger question of
whether the entire death penalty is as practiced today unconstitutional. here's what he said. >> sometimes it's the wrong person. often it's very arbitrary as to who gets executed. it is not the worst of worst very often and there are just absolutely arbitrary criteria that shouldn't be in determining who is selected for execution, that it takes years to litigate a matter so if a person is sentenced to death, on average, if there is an execution, it takes place on average 18 years later. and the number of instances in which there is an execution has fallen dramatically within the united states. there are just a handful of counties where there really are executions. a handful. >> and also what the supreme court is taking out that a lot of people are watching closely and major abortion case out of texas. the first time the supreme court has taken up abortion since 2007, and in this case it's
basically saying that abortion clinics should have the same kind of facilities as a doctor but it goes beyond that when it comes to the argument of abortion. >> texas basically enacted new rules that raise some standards and requirements on these abortion clinics. there are about 41 in the state. half had to close because of these new rules. proponents say we just want to make sure it is as safe as possible. a lot of opponents argue no, this isn't about safety -- which most would agree is a good goal -- it is an effort to restrict abortion rights which of course women have the right to choose with their doctor within the right time frame. that case will potentially be one of those situations where the court can go big and reach in and talk more broadly about what is the right burden, what are the right protections for abortion, or they could be narrow, they could make it as narrow as we're going to talk about what kind of building and safety requirements are allowed and we'll try to avoid the roe
v. wade issues. >> a lot on the docket. ari, thank you, as always. still to come we continue to follow breaking news on the missing cargo ship now believe to the lost at sea. coast guard officials say this morning they believe the ship sank. a live look at the podium there in miami as we are awaiting a news conference from the coast guard. as soon as they step up there, we will bring that to you when it happens. plus, clean-up and rescue efforts under way in the carolinas after historic flooding over the weekend. we'll take you there live next.
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any moment we are expecting an update on the search for the missing cargo ship. this is a live look where that briefing will be held in miami from the coast guard. the el fargo disappeared during hurricane joaquin last week. last tuesday in fact. the coast guard is expected to update that, and when that
happens we will bring it to you live. nice to be with you for this next hour on msnbc live. i'm frances rivera in for jose diaz-balart. of course we continue to follow the other breaking news out of the carolinas where in the past hour another death was confirmed bringing the total to nine people killed in this weekend's unrelenting rain and devastating floodwaters. hundreds have been rescued, thousands evacuated. and next hour south carolina governor nikki haley will provide an update on what she calls a once in a thousand year event. >> we've never seen anything like this before. we're used to rain on the coast. to see it all the way up in the up state and the mountains, that's not something we're used to. >> nbc meteorologist bill karins is tracking the dangerous weather and nbc's gabe gutierrez is there in hard-hit charleston. bill, start with you and what's expected today. more rain on the way? >> the rain is turning off. finally. the hose of rain we've had for the last three, four days is finally ending. one thing that's happened in the
last hour, they are saying in king street, a little small town right off of i-95 and towards the coast, this is now about a five to six square mile area they are evacuating. getting everyone out of there. the creek that goes through there is going to be at house levels from now through about friday. a lot of the water that fell up state in the columbia area, sumter, all has to flow down this way. our estimates here, they even put it themselves right around 19 to 20 inches of rain. that's one area we are concerned with. there are still evacuations. even though the rain is turning off, water levels are still going up in some areas. thankfully charleston the water is way down now. they went through their hide tide cycles the last weekend. columbia the water starting to ever so slowly go down. the flash flooding from the dam collapses with be that water is now gone throughout the region. heaven rains have shifted. here's myrtle beach. thankfully the clouds are starting to clear out in some
cases. charleston, you're dry. one batch of showers won't cause any additional showers but all the heavy rain has shifted up into north carolina. they can deal with it. they didn't get the heavy rain this weekend. tlp there is still minor flooding from wilmington south wards. as far as the river forecast goes, looks like many rivers are cresting near columbia now. as we go through wednesday or thursday all of the rivers will start going down. we still got some more damage to be done. we aren't completely finished, unfortunately, with the weather part of this story doing damage. >> but it is good to hear even around the corner later this week that these might get better for them there. bill karins, thanks. the latest situation now in charleston, south carolina, we turn to nbc's gabe gutierrez. gabe, reassuring news that water levels are dropping but based on what i'm seeing right behind you, wow, still quite a scene. >> reporter: hi, frances. good morning. yes, as bill mentioned the rain had stopped here and we seem to
be getting a bit of a break. some more roads are re-opening so traffic is moving but as you can see behind me, some neighborhoods here are still under water and it's happening throughout the state. this has been an extremely devastating time for south carolina. but it will take a long time to clean this up. >> gabe, sorry to cut you short. we want to get to miami and the coast guard news conference about the missing cargo ship they believe has sank. >> -- was essentially sitting right over it so we weren't able to get there. on saturday we could get to the vessel's last known position but the search conditions were horrible. we were facing 100-mile-an-hour winds, 40 foot seas, less than a mile visibility so we couldn't really get a good picture, a good idea of what was out there. yesterday was the first day we where we really had favorable search conditions and we took advantage of that. we had multiple long-range aircraft out there, including coast guard, c-130s and air force c-130 and a navy p-8.
i want to just focus on the navy p-8 aircraft. that's a pretty sophisticated aircraft. we flew it very high up at 27,000 feet altitude so we could scan a very wide area. we covered 70,000 square nautical miles yesterday looking for the el fargo. based on all of that, for our search planning efforts we are assuming that the vessel has sank. we believe it sank in the last known position that we recorded on thursday. so what that means though, we just change our search planning efforts. we are still looking for survivors or any signs of life, any signs of that vessel. we are still doing that. so the search for survivors continues. yesterday, because of those favorable search conditions, we were able to see a lot of material that was at sea. a lot of things that came from a container ship of that size.
so we know we recovered the el fargo's life ring. we also recovered a lifeboat that had the markings of el fargo on it. it was heavily damaged. but it was recovered. no signs of life there. as we went through the day yesterday, we had multiple reports of emergent suits, s survival suits that were floating in the water, life rafts and life boats. we had to check each one. we did that methodically because we want to make sure there were no signs of life. they were hoping to find a survivor so we needed to check everyone. in one of the survival suits we did identify human remains in one of the survival suits. we lowered a rescue swimmer to confirm that the person was deceased and it was basically n unidentifiable. we needed to move from there quickly because there were other reports of survival suits, as well as life boats and life rafts and we checked those methodically through the day. no other signs of life at this
time. so as i mentioned, we are not looking for the vessel any longer. however, today we are still out there searching. we modified our search efforts to focus more on potential people in the water, life boats and life rafts. so we've kind of brought in that area. there are two primary areas of concern that we're looking at. one debris field, it's about 300 square nautical miles is in the vicinity of the last known position of the vessel. there's another debris field that's about 60 miles to the north of that one. that's a little bit smaller. it is about 70 square nautical miles. we are searching both of those. we have three coast guard cut you ares on scene. they are on three commercial tugs hired by the shipping company, and we have a full schedule of aircraft that are flying all day today. but again, we are going to fly them much lower and focused in on smaller objects at sea. so that is our plan moving
forward. we are -- remain hopeful that we will try -- we will hope flfull find survivors. that is our focus as we move forward. >> can they survive a category 4, borderline category 5 hurricane? what are the expectations? >> there are two life boats on el fargo. they could each hold 43 people. the one we found had no signs of anyone being in it. what we have to assume as search planners is if the vessel did sink on thursday and that crew was able to april banden ship, they would have been abandoning ship into a category 4 hurricane. you are talking up to 140-mile-an-hour winds, seas upwards of 50 feet. visibility basically at zero. those are challenging conditions to survive in. >> what do these life suits consist of? how do they help somebody in
conditions like this? >> these survival suits can float so they keep you upright so you can shall did they also try to hold off hypothermia so you can stay warm a little longer. even in recall with a weather conditions you're susceptible to high wypothermia and there is oo long you can survive in the ocean. >> are there beacons on those suits? >> that we don't know. >> how many survival suits were reported that you know of? >> the ship had a total of 46 survival suits on board. we've only been able to locate less than a handful. [ inaudible question ] >> so again, in search and rescue, there's an art and a science to it. the science is really just physiologically how long can you survive in the water. in warm water conditions, that's about four to five days. then you kind of look at the art of it as these are trained mariners.
they know how to properly abandon ship. they know how to survive in the water so we take that into account as well. but we also have to look at the conditions i talked about before, if this he were able to abandon ship, it would have been in very challenging conditions. a category 4 level storm where they might have been in a life raft or even just in the water directly. [ inaudible question ] >> i can't speculate as to that but we're not going to discount somebody's will to survive and that's why we're still searching today. [ inaudible ] >> we were not able to recover those remains. our focus is on survivors so we lowered a rescue swimmer into the water. that person confirmed that the body was deceased. it was unidentifiable. so we needed to quickly move to other reports of -- the reason we have to do that is the ocean is not a static being. it is alive, it is dynamic, it is constantly moving.
so when we have reports of other life rafts, life boats, we need to get out there and quickly identify them, see if there's any signs of life because if we don't do that right away, then it could sink, it could disappear, we might not be able to relocate it. our focus is on survivors. that's our mission. we will have aircraft throughout the day. those three coast guard ships, as well as the three commercial ships, will remain out overnight. they were out last night as well, continually searching. [ inaudible question ]. >> it was posted on national hurricane center's website that a storm was developing and we all know wednesday it developed into a hurricane. i don't know what the master was thinking or what his company had told him. they left jacksonville on tuesday and were supposed to arrive in san juan, puerto rico
on friday. [ inaudible question ] >> again, my focus now is on the search and rescue aspect of it. there will be an investigation going forward. the national transportation safety board will lead that investigation, the coast guard will be a part of it and we'll also probably conduct a separate investigation. that's down the road. my focus right now is on search and rescue efforts. >> you've concluded that the ship has sank. you mentioned last week the ship lost power. what happens in that kind of system given the waves? what happens? >> so the spot for any ship to be in is when you're disabled, you lost all propulsion. you have no means to move that vessel. you become very susceptible. you fall on to the trough, basically between the waves. everything's hitting you from the side. so you're looking at 140-mile-an-hour winds, 50-foot seas hitting you from the side. the vessel we know is carrying
391 containers. so had a lot of top side height to it where the winds and waves could hit it. had 294 trailers and automobiles below deck. so it was heavy, it was weighted down. we also know that the vessel had a list to it meaning it was leaning over about 15 degrees because they had some water intrusion earlier. that just increases the danger of the situation that they were in to be able to survive that type of condition. >> what are the ocean depths in this area and the rurncurrents, they pushing north? >> the depth where we believe the vessel sank is 15,000 feet. so very deep. right now based on our search planning efforts, we think the vessel or survivors could potentially drift to the north. and that's how i've described those debris fields. one is near the last known position but another one is 60 miles to the north of that. that validates when we find all these things it validates our search efforts and we could really hone in on where survivors might be.
[ s [ inaudible question ] >> i don't know at that time -- at this time. [ inaudible question ] >> you know, we always advise mariners before storms come through an area, we actually launch aircraft from right here at air station miami. went out and did call-outs. basically warning mariners throughout the bahamas that a storm was building and that there were dangerous conditions out there. so we always do that. and it's dangerous. any time you're at sea, it can be an unforgiving environment. when you add storm elements like a category 4 storm to it just increases the danger level. >> that was the coast guard announcing that the missing cargo ship that disappeared off the waters once it left jacksonville, florida last tuesday has sunk and is now lost
at sea. the coast guard also announcing that the focus of this search has now been on survivors. now a search and rescue no longer looking for that vessel. also saying that in their search yesterday they were able to find life boats, life rings, life jackets along with other shipping containers. they were also able to pull a survival suit that the coast guard said contained human remains but were unidentifiable. their focus was not necessarily on getting the remains but on finding possible survivors out there, especially with the ship sinking they believe on thursday. the hope is that the crew, the 33 members on their abandoned ship but keep in mind this is the a the height of category 4 hurricane joaquin. 5 50-foot seas. as you are hearing this press conference here, what are the
chances that they will find any survivors given the circumstances and the conditions of when they may have abandoned ship? >> frances, i think they are, unfortunately, extremely low at this point, and you see that in the comments from the coast guard spokesman. these conditions are brew dal. 50-foot seas. 150-knot winds. if you're in that water in either a lifeboat or in a survival suit, just the physical pounding and damage would be an extraordinary challenge to overcome. we're also at the far end of the physiological period that the human body can handle those kind of water temperatures. so i think very low, unfortunately. >> given that the coast guard saying their main priority now is the search and rescue, talking about what they call the art and science of it using
coast guard cutters, a number of aircraft flying much lower to focus on smaller objects in hopes of finding any survivors. what needs to happen for them to say we've done all we can, the likelihood of finding survivors is slim to none, we got to call off the search and rescue? when will that happen? >> i think it will happen in the next 24 to 36 hours. they're going to do everything they can to take into account the high qualifications of these mariners. i know these waters well. this is my hometown, jacksonville, florida. i've operated in these waters. i know they're also talking to navy vessels operating alongside the coast guard. there's no finer organization in the world than the u.s. coast guard but they are approaching the limits of what is realistic. >> let me ask you this. we know from the time that this vessel went missing been it set off from jacksonville on tuesday. thursday is when they lost communication. we understand there was a distress call sent at the time
the ship had lost propulsion, was taking on water but the crew reportedly was pumping it successful. the coast guard said the reports of the vessel listing knowing that it had taken on water. what could have been done at that point for these 33 crew members to assure their chances of abandoning ship and surviving? >> as you know, francis, conditions at sea can change markedly in literally a matter of mrntinutes. i know people tend to think that's impossible, a huge ship like that, 800 feet long sinking in a storm. think back on the movie and the stories from "the perfect storm," or even back to gordon lightfoot's old song, "the wreck of the edmund fitzgerald." ships sink at sea. they face very, very dangerous conditions. once you start taking on water and are listing, in other words leaning over to one side in a container ship like that, it can move very quickly on you.
you can think you are overcoming it and within 15 to 30 minutes you can be headed for the bottom. >> we are talking about a massive ship here. almost 800 feet but carrying -- there's 400 containers. almost 300 cars and vehicles at the bottom. see how that's working against it knowing it was already listing. >> exactly. >> admiral, thank you for helping us with some perspective here in understanding what the coast guard went through and what they are going through today in their search and rescue efforts. appreciate it. want to bring in now nbc's rehema ellis who's following the story from jacksonville, florida. i know you were with some families there. how are they taking it knowing that the coast guard has announced that this ship, they assume is lost at sea, has sank, but they are still hoping for survivors and searching for them? >> reporter: frances, this is the morning's news that none of these families wanted to hear. i'm at the shall where some of
them were in the who he tell this morning -- >> we seem to have lost rehema ellis' shot there. she is updating us on the situation as family members of the 33 crew members on board the el faro you see right here that was lost at sea. the coast guard announcing that they believe the ship sank on thursday as they continue those search and rescue efforts there off the atlantic where that was missing, crooked island off the bahamas, as they continue those efforts today. we'll have much more ahead on msnbc live. we'll be right back. beyond natural grain free pet food
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day in roseburg as those students return. >> reporter: good morning, frances. we're outside of ucc right now and today is the first day students will be allowed back on campus. at 8:00 a.m. pacific time faculty members will be allowed back into their classrooms, and just six hours after that we will see students be able to come in and retrieve belongings that were perhaps lost or relocated during that massacre on thursday at 10:38 a.m. they will also have access to mental health care services. we also heard from dr. rita cavin, the university's interim president, at a press conference yesterday. >> personally one of the sadder aspects of this for me is i received many, many -- i would say almost 100 -- messages of support from presidents and campus leaders who have had similar tragedies on their campus. this is not a club we wanted to join. >> reporter: the club she's referencing is the sandy hook club, as she called it. she said she was new the newest
member of a club she never intended to join, frances. >> morgan radford, thank you so much. the attack inside snyder hall only took about ten minutes, but one student told her father she only survived because of what he calls the heroic actions of a classmate. here's more of what he told nbc. >> she said, daddy, all of a sudden i heard a horrible bang. it was next to my ear. i could hear it. and my ears began to ring. i couldn't hardly even hear. and all of a sudden i felt treven's body as it moved partially on mine. and then i felt something very warm on my arms and i looked under my arms and i see treven's blood coming out of him -- and i
see treven's blood coming out of him all over my arms and my legs and my boots and i'm laying there know thing treven is proby dead. i'm frozen to the ground, i can't move, when all of a sudden the shooter stands over me and says get up, get up. she said daddy, i was froze. i couldn't move. right next to me on the other side was a lady that had already been shot. and the shooter says to the lady, is she -- referring to my daughter -- is she dead? and the lady said i don't flow. with that he stepped over -- he stepped over my daughter and shot somebody else. >> joining me now one douglas county commissioner chris boice. it has to be so tough to hear those accounts. bad enough that the gunman took
these lives away, but the manner in which he did it with new reporting that the gunman actually had one woman beg for her life. he shot her any way. another woman who tried to show sympathy for him saying she was sorry for whatever happened to him. he said i bet you are, but it's not enough. then shot her. what else are you learning now about the gungunman's motives a what more can you tell us about those final moments? >> i really don't know anything about the gun plan's motives and i don't want to talk about the gunman at this point. i refuse to do that. he's just not the person i would like to focus on today. >> of course with that being the case, what is the focus, especially on a day as tough as today when many of these students will be stepping back on that campus for the first time since that tragedy? what is your hope for them and what is it that you'd like to focus on? >> for us, it's healing. it's coming back together as a community and it's been a very emotional couple of days for all of us.
elected officials all the way down to first responders and families affected. it's about coming together and it's about the triumph that comes after the tragedy. we've seen some amazing things happen in our community as a result of this. >> talk about that. because at a point where you do not want to focus at all on the gun plan, not even utter his name, many people have agreed the same, what is it about what you wrote on your facebook page as far as the hardest day of your life. you describe the days since then have been triumphant. you describe them as a triumph. talk to me about those examples that you want everybody to hear about the roseburg you know. >> sure. sure. yeah. i started this thing off by running over to dispatch and helping dispatchers field calls from non-emergency folks in the middle of this chaos. and some of the calls that came in obviously were from the media. but also had calls forwarded to my cell phone from my office and
the ceo of umpqua bank, ray davis, called me and said what can we do? i said we're going to need a donation account. he said we've already set it up and deposited the first $25,000 into it. i had a person who used to be an elected official in my position send me a text message the other day and said, let's get a community support going and let's tear that building down and build a new one so that no students ever has to revisit that classroom. pacific power stepped up yesterday and matched umpqua bank's donation and committed to match the donations of all of their employees as well. it's been just an amazing outpouring of support by everyone you could think of in the community. >> have you spoken directly with some of these victims, some of the families who have been directly affected? >> i have. i had some communication with chris mintz yesterday morning. was fortunate enough to visit that young man in the hospital. what an amazing young man he is.
he's one of the most humble people i met in my life. i heard his story firsthand. he is an amazing guy. he did a great thing and intervenes in this and got shot somewhere between five and seven times in the process. and at the same time, broke down as he was speaking to me because he was upset about the fact that he couldn't do more. >> and we know that he was army veteran. he helped students getting evacuated out of the classroom. shot there as he was -- came through the classroom door. so those are the stories of heroics. when you hear about news today and that there was possibly another shooting averted from a high school in california and that there may be these plots out there that still haven't been thwarted, still haven't been unveiled. what is your hope now that the country knows roseburg in this manner and as you would like them to know for the triumph,
what is your hope for other small communities, big communities, so that this doesn't happen again? >> you know, i think that everyone of these opportunities gives us a situation where we have to look back and see what we can learn. i know for a fact that there's one young lady who was sitting in her car and watched the gunman walk by with the heavy duffel bag that seemed too heavy for him to carry. as a matter of fact, she described that he had to set it down and pick it up with the other hand. i think it's important for all of us to understand that there's people out there who need help and these things are happening. and we need to pay attention and report things that don't look normal. and we need to be able to communicate with folks who aren't acting normal and see if there's anything that we can do to help. >> all right, hopefully that will be the start of some change that everybody can see down the road, so many are calling for the change that is needed. chris boice, thank you very much. we appreciate it especially on a day like today when many of
the charity doctors without borders is calling for an independent investigation this morning after its hospital in afghanistan was bombed in and apparent u.s. air strike. moments ago the pentagon held a briefing explaining the reasoning behind launching the air strike. >> we have now learned that on october 3rd afghan forces advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from u.s. forces. an air strike was then called to eliminate the taliban threat and several civilians were accidentally struck. this is different from the initial reports which indicated that u.s. forces were threatened and that the air strike was called on their behalf.
>> nbc pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski is here with the very latest. confusion to start but the pentagon there making that clarification, jim. >> reporter: that's right. general john campbell, the top u.s. commander there in afghanistan did make that clarification today and u.s. military officials tell us the air strike still was within the parameters of the rules of engagement but clearly, clearly this was a mistake. 22 individuals were killed. 12 of them doctors, 10 patients, including children in that air strike. but there are still some questions about whether the u.s. military should rely solely on ot advice or direction from the ground. afghans were under fire, they then gave the coordinates for an air strike to u.s. special operations forces that were nearby at an airport but not threatened. then it was those special forces that called in the air strike
against that particular target. now this again was clearly a mistake and under the ground rules, u.s. military are not allowed to launch air strikes against mosques, hospitals or schools unless under very extreme conditions. in this case, however, they were taking the direction from the afghan military forces which clearly was the source of what has been a terrible mistake and the general -- the general director of doctors without borders says what happened here amounts to a war crime. >> hearing from the president who calls it utterly tragic and inexcusable. jim miklaszewski, thank you very much. now to breaking news in the carolinas where the death toll now stands at nine following the massive flooding and torrential rains that have crippled the region. columbia, south carolina has been hit especially hard and many schools and businesses are closed today. at the same time power outages are affecting thousands of customers and officials are
telling residents to stay at home, not to go anywhere. the weather channel's ron blum is live in south carolina, in some cases the area is being re-assured with businesses opening today. >> reporter: they are getting open, getting cleaned up. a big part of this coastal flooding story has been record high tides, higher since hurricane hugo 26 years ago. yesterday this same time on this fixed dock over here the water was up to the bottom of those boards at high tide. it was actually a little bit over. the tide is easing down as joaquin moves off to the northeast and that is good news because it takes some of the pressure off. it also takes pressure off all these rivers that are draining out of south carolina. five rivers come into the waterway here right by georgetown and they are all draining off all the way up in towards columbia. that's going to be a big help as we try to move all this water out of the state but that's a big job. water can be a problem here
still overnight, four inches of rain. there was one store they vacuumed out 1,800 gallons of water over four hours last night. came back this morning, there was another two inches inside, they are vacuuming it out again but the merchants are trying to pull back together, for sure. >> good to hear that, ron blome, thank you very much. now more on the efforts there in south carolina, joining me on own, a representative from south carolina electric and gas company. we know thousands is a rough number there without power in the area. can you firm up some numbers now? >> well, frances, obviously the situation is changing -- ever changing as we continue to deal with some of the ongoing flooding and weather related issues we have. right now we're estimating that we probably have somewhere between 10,000 and 15,000 customers without power and our biggest challenge really has been our ability to safely access some of the trouble spots that we have to deal with.
of course many roads have been closed or significantly damaged as a result of the flooding and that poses the biggest challenge for us right now. >> what is it that you're advising the community and residents out there when it comes to their safety? we've heard for them to stay at home, to stay put. but given the fact that these are families, some with babies, some elderly, who need power just to survive even with conditions there. what is your suggestion to them? >> well, i think our state's leadership and governor nikki haley has been consistent along with our emergency response officials that if it's at all possible, please, stay home. the roads are still in many, many places very unsafe. understand that there has been great coordination between the state and local officials and utility companies and everybody that's involved, emergency response officials, to address all of the issues that we have in front of us as quickly as we
can and as safely as we can. patience is of course very much appreciated as we go through that but we have a lot of people working hard to try to get things back on track. >> we have our meteorologists saying that the rainfall is expected to stop within midweek and when those waters recede, hopefully by midweek. do you expect -- is that too soon to say that you may restore some power for people? >> well, we're going to get to it as quickly as we can. again, i think safety is going to be the number one priority. as soon as we have the ability to get into the areas where we have to do that work and start safely responding to each individual situation, we will do that. i know these are tough times for a lot of folks. a lot of people obviously had their lives devastated by what's happened here. but south carolinians are very resilient and we will continue to grind through this and
support one another. >> that's a team we are hearing over and over again as we've heard and seen. eric, are thanks for the update. california police say four students are under arrest after authorities discovered what they say is a detailed plan to shoot and kill as many people as possible. police have not publicly identified the suspects but say all four are male and all are students at centerville high school where the alleged shooting was to have taken place. that's about 140 miles east of san francisco. authorities say the suspects were in the process of securing weapons. they have yet to be charged. now to guatemala where more than 100 people are dead and more still missing after thursday's massive landslide. rescue teams began their efforts yesterday and have yet to find any survivors. the neighborhood consumed by the landslide lies at the bottom of a deep ravine surrounded by trees. back in 1999 authorities warned of the risk of building homes in that area. north korea has freed a 21-year-old nyu student who had been held for six months after
crossing into that country from china. the young man who is a south korean national but also holds residency status in the united states was released at a border village. it is unclear what prompted his release but it could be a sign that north korea is seeking better ties with its neighbors to the south. this video here out of california. classic camp of david versus goliath, animal style. 20-pound french bulldog versus two bears. this bulldog is bringing it, chasing away those bears in this surveillance video. in this case, man's best friend wins again. you're watching msnbc live. excellent. researching a hunch, and making a decision. time for a change of menu.
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we want to go back to oregon where the community of roseburg is trying to pick up the pieces and start the healing following last week's deadly shooting. crowds packed houses of worship across the city as they searched for meaning and also healing. executive pastor with redeemers fellowship church in roseburg is joining us. pastor, we appreciate your time. on that sunday where so many churchgoers were going to church looking for some solace and comfort, what is it that you heard from them and what was your message to them? >> yeah, that's great. we really did see an influx. i know that all of our churches here were full this weekend. more than anything, i think our people were coming just to be present and to be with each other. it's important that they know that they're not alone in this. coming together was what this weekend was about. the fact that our church, we were supposed to have 90 men
away on a men's retreat this weekend. we pulled the plug on that pretty quick on thursday. our message to them really was two-fold. one we wanted to try to get some understanding of what we think -- what was behind -- why do things like this happen. then what can we do now? in truth, we had in our fellowship certainly different layers. we had students present in that room. we had some who were wounded. we had others who witnessed it and the ripples of this isn't going to go away this weekend. in fact behind me the staff is arriving on campus and we're prepared just to be here all really for the next couple weeks working with the billy graham association who has sent crisis counselors to work and encourage our people during this time. >> you are talking about the people who you heard from in the days following the tragedy and also at church. specifically, there were stories
about a young man, a member of your church, apparently injured in the shooting. what was his story that resonated with so many churchgoers? >> yeah. more than anything -- and rand was with us this weekend. more than anything we just wrapped our arms around him and let him know we loved him. we were glad he was able to be up and about. we're certainly aware that rand has been touched very deeply emotionally by this. so we are working with him closely. the gentleman who was his youth pastor for years has been with him personally every day since the event and really right now the main thing is just being present. i don't think our words mean much right now but our presence is everything. >> yeah. sometimes when it goes beyond words just the comfort of a ugg had or just being with each other or a look of comfort and
understanding is all somebody needs. pastor, thank you very much. again, best of luck to you in these rough days to come. >> thank you very much. still to come, a new report says we are paying record high fees just to access our money. we'll bring you those details after this break. take a look at these bbq trophies: best cracked pepper sauce... most ribs eaten while calf roping... yep, greatness deserves recognition. you got any trophies, cowboy? ♪ whoomp there it is uh, yeah... well, uh, well there's this one. best insurance mobile app? yeah, two years in a row. well i'll be... does that thing just follow you around? like a little puppy! the award-winning geico app. download it today.
a new report out this morning finds that we could all be paying record high fees at the bank. bankrate.com says the average atm fee for an out of network machine is $4.52. that's a 21% jump from just five years ago. to add insult to injury, we are paying a little over $33, on average, if you bounce your check. that's a 9% increase from just five years ago. greg mcbride is a financial animalyst and bankrate.com. greg, what is behind all of these fees at the bank.
atm fees up 25% from eight years ago. atlanta has the highest fees, san francisco the lowest at $3.85. what's behind the discrepancy here. overall are we just paying more because banks simply want to make more money off of us sh. >> well, not everybody charges the same price and not everybody charges the same price in every marth so you do see some regional disparities reflecting sort of the competitive makeup from one place to another. but regardless of how high these fees go -- i expect they're going to continue to move higher -- it is important for consumers to take the steps necessary to avoid them. that's the real take-aways of regardless of how high the fees go, they do reman avoidable. >> how? i'm a bank of america customer and i specifically go out of my way. my husband says you're going to go out of your way? yes, i am. it's the principle. it's only $3. >> but people plan ahead as to when and where they make the
withdrawals, find the location and nearest atm you can use that's in network. atm networks are bigger than ever so it is easier than ever to avoid those fees particularly when you use technology. fall-back option you have available is if you're really in a pinch for cash, get cash back at the point of sale when you use your debit card. >> talk about the overdraft charges. a record $33. the highest fees are in milwaukee, atlanta, also baltimore. denver. and phoenix. the lowest fees if you're in san francisco, cincinnati, detroit, los angeles, kansas city and san diego. why are we seeing higher fees there as well? >> this is one that's an old stand-by. goes up every single year. we've seen it up now 17 consecutive years. the average, little over $33. that's just for the first overdraft. some banks actually have a tiered structure. so if you have a second, third or fourth overdraft within a 12-month span you could pay an even higher fee next time around. keep accurate tabs on your
available balance, use your mobile and online account to do that. request text alerts if your balance gets below a certain level, you can proactively put more money into the account. they do take a big bite when those overdrafts occur. >> greg mcbride, thanks. appreciate the tips. want to bring you up to date on the latest on the missing cargo ship that disappeared last week with 33 people on board. we got an update from the coast guard earlier this hour. officials say it appears the ship sank in rough seas caused by hurricane joaquin. so far one body has been found but no survivors so far. nevertheless, the search is ongoing. they say they can't discount the crew will live despite the fact they would have been facing extremely challenging conditions caused by the hurricane. right now they are searching two separate debris fields but we are now closing in on 100 hours
since the "el faro" cargo ship was last heard from. the hopes of finding anyone alive are growing very slim, but many of the families as they wait in jacksonville are still holding on to hope that some survivors will be found. we'll bring you more on this developing story throughout the day here on msnbc. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. i'm frances rivera in for jose dias ba heart. good to be with you the past two hours. tamron hall is up next. he roastr white meat chicken to perfection and mixes freshly-made pasta in an alfredo sauce made-from-scratch with parmesan, romano and real cream. ♪ because marie callender knows that the most comforting thing about comfort food, is who you're sharing it with. marie callender's. it's time to savor.
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