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that the 50 american hostages might get released before the election. it didn't turn out that way. once back in washington, we learned that the iranians were going to make sure the americans didn't get released till president carter was out of the office. it was a tough time for the country, a turbulent time to serve the country and such an extraordinary position. il never forget the people, especially president carter, a good man who gave me the honor to serve the country at such a type. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all-in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> i think everybody just ought to give him the space to decide what's best for him and his family. >> team clinton prepares an op poe file on the vice president and an explosive new report claims joe biden himself leaked the story of his son's dying wish. tonight the fight for the democratic nomination gets intense. plus, senator bernie sanders on
guns and what divides the democratic field. then are black voters being unfairly disenfranchised in alabama? tonight my exclusive interview with alabama's secretary of state. and draft kings, fan duals and the scam plaguing the multibillion dollar world of fantasy sports. >> if you're not playing fan dual, are you crazy. >> when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. chris hayes. a bombshell today in the early but he is ca lating battle between the democratic presidential front-runner hillary clinton and the man who could still turn the race upside down if he decides to run. vice president joe biden. since the devastating death of biden's son beau 0 brain cancer at age 46, there's been growing speculation a steady drip of stories suggesting the vice president may make a late entry to the democratic primary. former advisor to beau going to work for the draft biden super pac reports that the vice
president taking meetings with influential democrats and adjusting his schedule to make contact with key constituencies. his supporters starting to assemble a campaign infrastructure even biden himself claiming he still is trying to make up his mind. >>.i don't think any man or woman should run for president unless, number one, they know exactly why they would want to be president and two, they can look at the folks out there and say, i promise you, you have my whole heart, my whole soul, my energy and my passion to do this. and i'd be lying if i said that i knew i was there. >> joe biden is now the hamlet of american politics paralyzed in the face of the question to run or not to run. and it all started more or less in the maureen dowd column back in august describing is beau biden on his deathbed urging his father to get in the race "beau
was losing hisnounce. the right side of his face was partially paralyzed. he had a mission trying to make his father promise to run arguing the white house should not revert to the clintons." today politico ran an interesting report that biden himself was the source of that story on beau's dying wish the implication he meant to manipulate his audience. note the sub title the vice president is mourning, he's also calculating. the biden camp won't confirm or doubt he was sourced. the spokesperson telling nbc news the bottom line in the political story is it is false and the characterization is offensive. now, as biden speculation is reaching a fever pitch ahead of next month'sfying deadlines, the clinton campaign is getting ready for every eventuality. the campaign is putting together an opposition research file on the vice president with material on his ties to wall street, his alleged reluctance to support
the raid that killed bin laden and his role in the anita hill saga of the 1990s. a reasonable move for a campaign whose support would take a hit if the he were to jump in. one of the most overlooked dynamics in the democratic race thus far has been that the hillary clinton's poll numbers started to soften just as biden kicked into gear, and he began to become included in polling. you can see that play out in the latest nbc news poll as we showed you yesterday. without biden in the mix, clinton holds an 11-point lead over sanders, when biden is in the poll, her lead shrinks to five points. >> when two reveal candidates have such a similar profile, so little disagreement on the issues, things tend to get very personal and ugly very fast. i'm joined by columnist for the daily beast and joan walsh, from the nation, also an msnbc political analyst. what is going on? what do you make of this?
honestly, i read that story today and i was like, that's a doozy. i don't know what to do with this. >> i have no idea, although when i read the original dowd column it sounded like he could be the source for it. he was telling a lot of people this story in a lot of detail. i think my heart goes out to joe biden. i love the man. he's entitled to run. he would be a wonderful candidate. it's a little late. but the reason it's late is because his son was sick and died. so i have a hard time holding that against him. what democrats will hold against him if he was the source for that story is taking it to maureen dowd who then turned around and portrayed it in the most debilitating way to hillary clinton the notion of biden values being better than clinton values, a woman who has attacked not just the clintons but his friend barack obama for years and years and years in the most personal and vicious terms. why choose her? why open your test run that way that's going to be depicted not as you would be a great
candidate, but that this woman would lower the office that's wrong. >> what do you think? >> i don't think that's what happened. i mean, i know both of them. and he was grieving. i highly doubt that he held a meeting with his staff. who should we plant this with? should it be maureen dowd? no, they've known each other for 25 years well. i think that they both -- they were just having a conversation. i imagine that later, maureen went back to him or his staff and said -- >> i would hope so. >> can i use this if it's not attributed. and they probably were thinking about other things and said sure. it doesn't have the feel to me, i know it looks this way to politico but based on my own experience, it doesn't have the feel of a calculated move. >> you know what? >> by joe bide to run up a trial balloon with maureen shortly after his son died. >> let me say two things. it is unquestionably the case in
the wake of i think a very genuine outpouring of grief in the wake of beau's who areally tragic death, people feel more warmly about joed bide. . joe biden's favorability crosses from unfavorable to favorable right in the wake of his son's death. that's a natural expression of grief. >> right. >> the other thing i think about this is to me, it's all about the falseness of our expectation of authenticity which is to say when you're talking about hillary clinton and when you're talking about joe biden who have been in public life for four decades each of them, there's no such thing as calculating on one side and authentic on the other. that's who they are as whole people. this idea that the evil joe biden is doing this and the authentic, no, this is who they are. they are politicians and think all the time how everything is going to read. >> we could be both be right about this in the accepts they may well have had a conversation that started out as a private conversation but she decided to use it and sxwoid gave her
permission to use it. and this is a person who is really responsible for some of the worst narratives about both the clintons and president obama in journalism right now. >> i don't think biden should if held responsible for the fact that maureen dowd turned it into an anti-hillary column. >> i guess i do. >> it's very easy to say after the fact that he chose her as assassin on that story. >> i'd never use that word. >> i just don't think that that's the way their conversation -- i don't have any proof. >> here's the question then. more broadly. >> it's too close to beau's death. >> to be calculating. >> here's the question. the question then is this to me is, you know, these are people that were both in the barack obama administration. they're people that ran against each other in 2008. people who substantively, there's not a huge amount of daylight between them. they'll find areas of disagreement but broadly sort of in line. this is not bernie sanders we're talking about who has a distinct
ideological political record. how can it be anything but very personal very quickly if joe biden gets in this race? >> really nasty. this is worrying democrats and what i assume the biden people understand is that you get all kinds of breaks before you get in but the press wants what they can't have. once -- then he will come down on him like a ton of bricks. this is a taste of that. today is a taste. he's going to get hit hard by the press all of the sympathy for beau will go away. >> right. >> because you're running for president. that's -- >> and he's not really -- hasn't really been a first rate candidate in those last two outings. i covered him in 1988 and in 2008. he's a great guy. >> right. >> he's not a great candidate. so you know, and when you don't have the great candidate skills and she doesn't have them
either, then you end up kind of overcompensating which she's now doing now on kevin mccarthy story. they overcompensate. and then it gets nastier because they really don't have control of their switch blade. >> in some ways we saw that i think with hillary clinton and barack obama in 2008 who the difference came down should there be a mandate or not. that was ultimate lit -- and obviously -- >> in the cycle today that you alluded to is this new york magazine story that she's got opposition research on him. can i take issue with the term opposition research? this man has a record. is he a little close to the credit card companies. he made it tougher to declare bankruptcy. he did not call corroborating witnesses for anita hill. he let republicans savage that woman. there's plenty of things you can criticize him on fairly. >> my feeling about the article
was there were some people trying to sell this like the devious clintons are at it again. if you're running for city council in akron, ohio and find out a guy is going to run against you, you look up his record. >> they're genuine. >> silly that she's apparently it is saying he wasn't really forgetting bin laden. >> that i think is going to be barking up the wrong tree. >> she wasn't either. she was 50/50 on it. >> jonathan, joan, great to have you both here. happy birthday, jonathanthon. go cubs. still to come, bernie sanders calls barack obama's trade deal disastrous. later alabama with a strict voter id law shutters dmv in several heavily black counties. first several candidates are asked to react about the shooting in oregon. some of their responses have been down right offensive. those stories and more ahead.
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a number of republicans including donald trump and jeb bush have essentially argued there is nothing we can do. some of the gop candidates have found people to blame. louisiana governor bobby jindal who is averaging less than 1% in polls but still running for president decided to heap scorn upon the father of the gunman demanding he apologize for the shooting and ben carson accused liberals of using the shooting to vance a political agenda writing i never saw a body with more but the holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away. it gets worse. this morning he was asked about his religion as the oregon shooter is alleged to have done with some of his victims. not only would i probably not cooperate with them, i would not just stand there and let him shoot me. i would say hey, guys, everybody attack him. he may shoot me but he can't get us all. >> as ben carson should know,
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. the first democratic presidential debate is one week away. some real areas of disagreement are finally starting to emerge between the leading candidates. yesterday, hillary clinton unveiled a gun control proposal that included a call to repeal legislation that protects gunmakers and dealers from being sued by victims of gun violence. bernie sanders who has come under fire for his past votes on gun control legislation voted in favor of that legislation specifically in 2005. the u.s. and 11 other pacific rim countries have reached a deal on the very controversial transpacific partnership trade. sanders is lam batted tpp as a wall street handout that will cost americans jobs. hillary clinton touted ttp though she currently isn't saying whether or not she supports it. a short time ago i asked sanders how he would try to stop. >> you stop it by organizing the american people. i think most of whom understand that our previous trade ingredients of which tpp is just
one, have been daft tremendous for the middle class and working families. they've been written by corporate america. the result is that since 2001, chris, we've lost 60,000 factories in america. millions of decent paying jobs, a lot of it attributable to disastrous trade policies. truth is, the american worker should not have to compete against people all over the world who are making pennies an hour. >> here's the question i think a lot of folks watching this will have because what will happen is the president like did he for the passage of fast track is going to say look, this is in the best interests of american work persons you have my word on this because i care about american workers and cares about growing the middle class and shares the same values as you. is he wrong? is he being deceitful? what is your account of why president barack obama wants this deal so badly? >> i'm not going to psychoanalyze with barack obama. he's a friend. on this issue, he's wrong. bill clinton was wrong on nafta.
republicans were wrong on pntr with china. i think if you look at the history of trade agreements, chris, what you find, they are written by wall street. they are written by corporate america. they're written by the drug companies, written by -- they have been a disaster for the american worker. another president differs and he will tell you why he differs. on this issue, i think he is wrong. i think virtually every union in this country that virtually all of them oppose this agreement. elizabeth warren and i will help lead the effort to defeat it. >> hillary clinton of course, is also running for president in the democratic primary. >> i've heard about that. >> yes. yes. i imagine you have. well, obviously she was with the state department while state officials were negotiating part of this. she said she did not negotiate it. she has not announced a position. do you anticipate this being a big issue at the debate next week? >> yeah, it is a hillary clinton and i disagree on a lot of
issues. we disagree on wall street and what we should do. whether or not we bring back glass/steagall or break up the large banks. we disagree about how high the minimum wage should go. i think it should go to 15 bucks an hour. we disagree with college plans, mine is more simple is, providing free tuition at public colleges and universities and we disagree on trade. i believe she hasn't come up with an opinion yet, but my views are pretty clear. i think i'm against it. >> do you disagree and guns? is that an area where you count yourself as disagreeing? >> let me tell you something, you know, because i've heard a lot about this. i come from a state that has virtually no gun control at all. yet, i've cast some very, very difficult votes in favor of strong gun control. you're looking at a guy who was a congressman who voted for strong background checks, instant background checks. i want to see them made even
stronger. you're looking at a guy who voted against the so-called gun show loophole which is a disaster. and allowing guns to get into the hands of people who should not have it. you're voting against a guy, remember, from a state which has almost no gun control to ban semi-automatic rifles which in my view are only designed to kill people and i'll tell you something else when you talk about guns. we've got a deal with the so-called straw man provision where people can walk in, buy guns and sell it to somebody who should not have the guns. i'll tell you something else, chris. not only do we need strong control, in my view we need a revolution in mental health in this country. i believe you have houses of people walking the streets of america today who are suicidal, homicidal. they cannot get the care they need when they need it. we have to address that issue, as well. so i think you're looking at a combination of things, count me in as somebody who believes this that very strongly and somebody, just to set the record straight,
has a d minus voting record from the nra. >> let me ask you this. you've got a bill that you've been working on called the workplace delcracy act similar to a piece of legislation i remember covering closely in 2009 called the employee free choice act. it would make it much easier to join a union if a majority of workers sign a card. here's my question to you. bernie sanders gets inaugurated 2017. the odds are likely he has either one or two republican houses of congress. if that thing couldn't get passed with the largest democratic majority since the goldwater election in '64, what is this is other than a piece of paper? >> it's a lot more than a piece of paper because if i get elected first of all, if i get elected president, it would mean that there is a massive voter turnout. young people, working people voting in ways they haven't voted in many years. therefore, the likelihood of the republicans controlling the senate will be less. the house who knows. but let me tell you this.
if i get elected it's because people believe in the need for a political revolution. they understand that congress is controlled by big money interests. they want fundamental changes. and that means millions of people are prepared to stand up and make sure the congress represents working people rather than the billionaire class. that is the -- that is the basis of why i believe we can get legislation like this legislation to raise the minimum wage, legislation to create millions of jobs rebuilding our infrastructure because millions of people will then be involved in the political process giving the republican party an offer they can't refuse. that is if they don't do what the middle class needs, they're going to be out on the streets. >> you just talked about your nra grade of d minus. this question for you. if you were to grade the bernie sanders campaign on building the kind of multiracial coalition that is necessary to succeed in a democratic praerp deep into this contest past iowa and new
hampshire which aren't necessarily reflective of the party's voters what grade would you give your campaign thus far in building that kind of coalition? >> chris, when eswe started this campaign and i was on your show i think very early on, we were at 3, 4, 5% in the polls. we have move very ved significantly. and i think most observers now say guess what, bernie sanders is a serious candidate. if your question is do we need to do more outreach to the latino and african-american community, the answer is absolutely. but one of the things that we are going to be able to do because 650,000 people are record breaking number have contributed to our campaign is we are going to have the resources to develop a strong organization in south carolina, nevada, and the states that follow. and i think we are going to be successful in reaching out to the african-american community because we have not only do i have a strong record of standing up for african-american community but more importantly
we have an economic agenda, a social justice agenda, a criminal justice agenda which i think will make sense to the african-american community once they hear it. our job is to get out and talk to as many people as we can and we're building that organization right now. >> all right. bernie sanders. always a pleasure. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up the plains behind the fatal u.s. air strike on a doctors without borders hospital changes again. we have ha update next. not confr company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.
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for the fourth time in as many days, there's been a change in the official story of what happened this weekend when a u.s. air strike hit a doctors without borders in afghanistan. killing 22 medical staff and patients. first, u.s. forces said an air strike against individuals threatening the force may have resulted in collateral damage to a nearby medical facility. by sunday, the air strike was being described as being against insurgents who were directly firing on u.s. service members. then yesterday, commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan general john camp bell said it was afghan force who's had called for u.s. air support. >> we have now learned on october 3rd, afghan forces advised they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from u.s. forces. an air strike was then called to eliminate the taliban threat and several civilians were accidentally struck. >> details shifted again today
when at a previously scheduled senate hearing on u.s. strategy in afghanistan, general campbell clarified that u.s. special operations forces were also on the ground in close vicinity to the hospital. the general suggested they were the one who's called in the air strike. snifr afghan forces on ground requested air support from our forces on the ground. as i said in my opening statement, even though the afghans request that support, it still has to go through a rigorous u.s. procedure to enable fires to go on the ground. we had a special operations unit that was in close vicinity that was talking to the aircraft that delivered the. >> in his opening statement today, general campbell stressed the air strike request had moved up the u.s. chain of command. >> on saturday morning our forces provided close air support to afghan forces at their request. to be clear, the decision to provide aerial fire was a u.s. decision made within the u.s. chain of command. a hospital was miss takenly
struck. we would never intentionally target a protected medical facility. >> earlier tonight, i spoke with the executive director of doctors without boarders in the united states, jason cohen. i asked him to react to the succession of official explanations of the attack. >> i think for us it reinforces the fact we need an indepennt investigation into this bombing. we need someone who is not conflicted by being a party to the conflict meaning nato, u.s. forces or after gan forces and i think the series of events we've heard over the last 72 hours since the bombing took place saturday morning lends more credibility to our claim that we need an independent body to look into this. >> who would that be? >> we're still trying to understand what that might look like. it's critical that the u.s. government accepts some kind of international ip inquiry. i think there's a huge opportunity for the u.s. government for the obama administration to recognize the special nature of this event.
the real grave attack on humanitarian law and the fact that we presume that this is a war crime till an independent inquiry tells us otherwise. >> you work for an organization that operates in some of the most dangerous places in the world. 365 days a year. how often does something like this happen or how anomalous is this? >> half of our work is in real active conflict zones places like yemen, syria, south sudan. it's what we do. we understand that. we work within the con. >> of humanitarian law geneva conventions which is the fact that a hospital is supposed to be a protected space and supposed to be a place where patients even excombatants who are wounded can get treated. this is one of the worst attacks in our 44-year history as an organization. certainly the single loss of life from there bombing is like nothing we've experienced before both in terms of staff and patients. and so yes, while our teams face
really difficult challenges, they're under bombardment in yemen today in many locations and in other places in syria, as well. that said, we've never had such a sort of targeted attack. i mean the amount of ordinates that was dropped on the single hospital structure in a compound not having any of the other buildings touched, the fact we had warned u.s. officials and afghan officials about the location of the hospital, been there for four years, treated tens of thousands of patients every year it was a known structure. for us that's the shock given the amount of transparency we had in terms of what we were doing, who we were treating at that hospital. >> is that a standard procedure? i mean right now, you're operating in yemen and in syria. two of the most intensely violent battle zones in the world. is that what you do? is that standard procedure whatever sides in the conflict, you say look, this is where we are.
>> absolutely. transparency is the best protection. the fact we're there just to provide medical care based on need regardless of religion, politics, ethnicity. that's our safety. we don't use armed guards. we have to be very clear sthu don't use armed guards? >> absolutely not. our transparent sit about our intentions is our greatest safety for our teams on the ground. >> the people that you lost, can you tell us what kind of folks these were? >> they were incredibly dedicated staff. i mean, you know, it's hard to think about. these are people who have worked in our hospital in kunduz, most of them since it was opened in 2011. even after the bombing took place, they did everything they could to treat the wounded including their colleagues, one of our staff died on essentially an office table that they turned into a makeshift operating table and so they did everything they could. they've done and they treated close to 400 wounded up to this.
attack. just in the past week in that hospital. and one of the biggest losses besides our staff and our patients that were killed immediately in the bombing is the fact right now in kunduz, an active war zone, there is no hospital for people to turn to. >> jason cone, doctors without boarders. it's really a pleasure. >> thank you very much. up next, i'll talk to alabama secretary of state about recent dmv closures and allegations they could disproportionately impact the ability of black voters to vote.
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counties soon won't have a place to get a license. while the majority are in white counties "every single county in which blacks make up more than 75% of registered voters will see their driver's license office closed." every one. of the ten counties that the went most heavily for obama in the last election all but two counties had their locations closed this past week. the secretary of state said the closures will not leave citizens with without a place to receive the required card to vote. noting all counties have a board of registrars that issue photo i.d. cards. for terry sewell, those assurances are not enough. yesterday she wrote a letter to the justice department asking for an investigation into the closures. joining me is john merrill, secretary of state. thank you for joining us. i got to start with this, understand given the history of voter suppression in the south, why people might look at this and be very, very suspicious
about just what is going on there. >> certainly. i understand that. without a doubt. however, one of the things we have to make sure that people understand is that we are being very aggressive in reaching out and trying to touch each and every person that is eligible to vote but may not be registered. if they're not registered to vote, they want them to be registered to vote and want them to have a qualified government-issued photo i.d. >> how are you doing that? what does that mean being very aggressive? you have a mobile unit going around to different county inside. >> we do. first of all, we have a location in each one of the 67 counties that is open each and every day that the courthouse is open where people can go in their own home county and get a qualified government issued photo i.d. at no cost. then we have the mobile unit. >> mr. merrill, let me talk about that for a moment. these voter i.d.s are voting only i.d.s. they're free, no cost. >> that's correct. >> what kind of i.d. do you
have? >> i have a deliver's license. that's what i show when i vote. >> that's right. >> and the pain of going to get spend a day to get an i.d. is paid off by the packet that driver's license. >> wait. >> is a fuseful document. >> there's no wait when you go to the board of register's office. when you get a driver's license in some of our counties there's a tremendous wait. all the counties you're talking about, chris, were all limited in the number of hours that were offered in a particular time. all of them were not open each and every day. some of them only once or twice a month for that period of time for people to go in and have a driver's test administered. >> here's the issue. let's assume for the moment that the intention is pure here. can you assure people watching that there will not be a disparate racial impact of this effect that fundamentally. >> absolutely. let me tell you why. >> you can guarantee that numerically. >> this is a rural issue. if you look at the closures that have occurred, all of the
counties that were affected in our state were all rural. if you look at the demographic nature for our state, you would see that by standard, 52 of the 67 counties in alabama are deemed rural. so obviously, it's going to be a rural issue. >> understood. >> and 11 of those counties that are affected do have predominantly black populations. >> the question is can you -- this is the question, right? can you say look, we are going to keep track of these numbers and we will be able to show if we were subjected later on to voting rights act scrutiny about disparate impact there was not an impact of this closing? you can be confident of that? >> absolutely. because one of the other things we're doing is sending that mobile unit to each and every county and making sure that everybody has an opportunity outside of the county seat to register to vote. we're sending them to festivals, to schools, we're sending them to churches. we're going on saturdays and sundays. sending them to walmart. we're doing to ensure each and every person is exposed to to
the opportunity with publicity so they know far in advance they're coming to make sure people are aware when they had that opportunity, they can take rang of it. >> how many i.d.s has that mobile unit issued this year? >> it's only ob issued 29 i.d.s this year. total this year in the entire state, we've issued 1,442 units. >> my understanding about 250,000 eligible voters without i.d.s in your state. hank you very much for joining me. >> it's good to be with you. the shocking scandal of possible insider trading rocks the multibillion dollar administrative sports. for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines so planes, trains, even hospitals can work better. oh! sorry, i was trying to put it away... got it on the cake. so you're going to work on a train?
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inadvertently released data from the company's millionairemaker proving he had access to players that could provide an edge, that same week that, employee won a $350,000 prize at fan dual. in a statement released today, draft kings said they had completed a thorough investigation, found out the employee could 0 not have the used the information to make decisions about his lineup. since the data could give player ahigher clans of winning money, $2 billion in prizes this year, this could give employees with access to the data at these companies an incentive to gain advantage over their competition. today the new york attorney general opened an inquiry demanding internal data and the information how had he prevent fraud. joining me now sports editor of the nation. and dave, when i saw that article, i was like, i felt like i saw this coming at some point. >> yeah, i mean, who could have thought that stormy clouds would produce rain?
look, these companies constitute and have been exposed today as operating a rigged scam designed to separate fans from their money. but it's bigger than just the fact that fan dual and draft kings are unregulated and untaxed operations. it's much bigger than that. it's who their partners are. it's worth knowing that the nba last year announced that they now have an ownership stake in fan dual. draft kings is in a three-year partnership with the national football league and is showering espn with millions of dollars and two nfl owners robert kraft and jerry jones both own stakeses in draft kings. guess what, the patriots and cowboys are playing this weekend making it the draft kings swindle bowl for people to tune in. >> but dave, let me say this. when you say these are scams. i want to be clear about this. i actually personally have no problem with people betting on sports. >> nor do i.
>> go ahead, right? the issue to me and when you say separate people from their money, poker does that, casinos do that. a ton of things. to me, if this thing's going to exist in the current legal loophole the idea that employees are looking at data and then going to the rival sites and knowing whatever the whole herd is doing they can basically place a team to bet against the field, that cannot stand. right? someone has to do something. >> and why it separates fans from their money the people who win people with the insider knowledge who are winning, we don't know how deep it goes because it's untaxed and unregulated that's money taken away from people trying to win this stuff on an honest gambler's way. of course, the house always wins. that's what gambling is all about. war not allowed to call this gambling thanks to the u.s. congress. the sports world historically has been absolutely allergic to gambling. that's why pete rose still has his nose pressed up against
cooperstown, why there's no pro team in las vegas. they found a loophole for themselves to profit and that's what makes it so odious. >> that is what's so fascinating about the phenomenon. they're spending a huge amount of money on advertising. they are partnering with everyone and fundamentally what they're doing, it is gambling. >> it's gambling. >> that's what it is. i don't have a problem with that. people can gamble if they want to gamble as long as it's on the up and up. that makes this situation so bizarre is everyone is partnered with them. if a scandal starts to move through this, that's going to touch a lot of folks. >> also the way espn has done it, they have very credible reporters with very sterling reputations who are talking about draft kings. like this morning on mike and mike radio, they talked about val vin johns's touch down that wasn't in the game last night and remarked how much this particular person on draft kings could have won if he had scored. so a lot of people with credibility is on the line. there's a lot of skin in the
game around these corporations. if they come up dirty, a lot of fans are going to be really angry and the government as you mentioned is already taking a very close look. >> yeah, and one of the things that these both of these companies have to do it would seem to me at the very least, they have to show demonstrably to the people that pay for their services that their own employees aren't essentially using hair information to play. they need to release data are your employees essentially the people that are making a killing on the other rival site? >> and the last point, look, this is not a game of skill. poker requires more skill than doing this. you're just betting on which player might have a good week when a lot of other people are betting on the same player. you're hoping for market inefficiency. calling this a game of skill is like calling a hot dog vegetarian because nobody knows the content of the plooet. >> appreciate it, man. >> thank you.
and that is "all in" for this even. the rachel maddow starts right now with steve kornacki in for rachel. congratulations on your new role here. it's exciting. > and by the way, i hope that scandal you're talking about destroys fantasy sports because i think they destroy the concept of cheering for a team. >> that's strong words. i stayed out because i know i would get addicted. that's why i've stayed out of it. that's time objection. >> thinking that keeps people away from it, i'm happy. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. rachel is off tonight. and let's start with a trip in the time machine all the way back to the summer of 1987. gary hart, he was the original overwhelming front-runner. he had just dropped out of the race for the 1988 democratic presidential nomination. democratic field then suddenly had a new, young, rising star. he was a senator from the state of delaware. his name was joe biden. now, b