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attorneys have repeatedly denied allegations against him. we did for the past six weeks try to reach out to the cosby team. we have been in contact with them and they had no comment. >> nice to have you here. we'll be watching tonight. that broadcast airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. on nbc. thanks for watching. i'm erica hill. i will see you tomorrow morning on today and monday night at 6 p.m. "hardball" starts right now. on wisconsin, paul ryan, let's play "hardball." good evening. people keep bringing up that grouchy marx line about refusing to join a club that would choose
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him as a member. it's that bad. if you are vaguely influential in the house caucus you are not above suspicion of being a washington establishment type who won't answer the grass roots demand to stand the line. it is quite a situation. there is no sign it is going to end even if they find someone to walk the plank and take the job of speaker. republican establishment begged paul ryan of wisconsin to rescue the party. >> i actually think paul ryan will get into this thing. i really do. i'm like a reporter i can't reveal my sources. >> paul is under tremendous pressure because he is the only candidate that we can agree can get to 240 votes on the floor consistently. >> paul is looking at it but it's his decision. if he decides to do it he would
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be an amazing speaker. >> he could bring a lot of folks together. >> of course i would support him. he would be the kind of person that i could get excited about. >> ryan doesn't want the job, not today. his office put out this statement. chairman ryan appreciates the support he's getting from his colleagues but is still not running for speaker. hard liners on the republican party begin a strike on ryan proclaiming that paul ryan is the absolute worst choice for speaker. they went after ryan for compromising with democrats on a budget deal. he called the 2013 shutdown a suicide mission. let me go to michael on this. it looks like the only guy they want is a guy already targeted.
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even if they get this guy to take the job -- >> if the freedom caucus, the tea party members of the caucus get together and get their force behind the candidate and have that one-on-one debate within the caucus about the direction of the house leadership, the direction they want to lead the country. paul ryan is sensitive to that. that is why the red flags have gone up for him. he is not looking to jump into the race. when your first statement is i don't want the job that should tell everybody within ear shot of what he feels and thinks about that opportunity. he knows this is a potential quagmire. i suspect no amount of pressure from the party leadership and others is going to really force
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his hand. i am skeptical that he takes this because he knows there is that element that has to be dealt with. there are still big battles that the leadership particularly the speaker will have to deal with. >> even within a couple of weeks early in november they have to deal with the debt ceiling thing. my question is what happens when 40 or 50 members of the freedom caucus say we don't believe we should raise the debt ceiling unless we get major concessions including planned parenthood, something like that and the leader says i can't get it through. that will never pass muster and will never go to the president. it's not going to get to the president's desk. >> you make a very key point. that is that one of the important elements of the frustration of a lot of those house members that they hear from their constituents at home is that we always give on raising the debt.
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we always give on raising taxes. we always give to the other side but we don't get anything in return. we want something in return first. then we will give you your debt ceiling. show us you are prepared to spend wisely going forward and you are willing to make the cuts necessary before we give you what you want. that is a big sticking point. i don't know how paul ryan or anything else navigates that without realizing we can't make this move. >> do you wonder where your predecessor is? where is reince priebus right now? he wouldn't show up in a newspaper test. where is the name reince priebus? >> you will not hear the name reince priebus because this is outside his purview.
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this is a leadership battle he is outside of. what he is waiting for is the fallout because there will be fallout. even if a paul ryan becomes the next speaker there will be fallout as you rightly noted at the beginning with other conservative outlets and groups around the country that are suspicious of ryan's leadership. so that is when reince priebus will have to have a plan. >> we all saw it coming. their rejectionists don't want to have anything to do with governing if governing involves compromise. they do not want to be known as compromisers because they call that chickening out. if that is their attitude they have a weird way of coming to congress. your thoughts. >> i disagree with that to this extent. that frustration, that willingness not to compromise comes from someplace. when they gave reagan the tax increases what did they get in
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return? the last time we did amnesty we were told we would deal with the border. what did they get in return? you have to see it from that perspective when you are always seeding the point and making the compromise on the promise that you are going to get something in return it doesn't come at some point you draw that bright red line and they are not crossing it right now. >> you know, on the immigration issue you have wandered into the truth. that bill was a pretty good bill and never got enforced. thank you so much for that shrewd discernment. i'm not sure i agree with you about fiscal stuff but i agree about the immigration. today peter king painted a grim picture of the mess the party is in right now. even if paul ryan decides to jump in the race. here is king talking with reporters on the hill. >> do you think paul ryan could be successful as speaker given the division in the conference? >> it would be difficult for
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anyone. >> what do you think this looks like? >> chaos. it is. >> republican from maryland and member of the freedom caucus and barney frank, democrat from massachusetts. still a democrat from massachusetts. thanks for coming on today. how would you explain to an outsider from mars. what is going on in the republican caucus right now? >> what we are doing is we are going to try to find a consensus candidate for speaker. the last speaker resigned two weeks ago. i don't think it is unreasonable to think you will take longer than two weeks to select an office as important as speaker of the house. >> would you have voted for boehner to continue? would you have gone on the floor and said boehner when they called your name? >> you mean at this point the speaker has resigned. >> would you have voted the name boehner again if it come up again? >> probably at the end of this
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term i probably wouldn't have because it is time for new leadership. >> what about mccarthy? >> only if he had seeded to our request that he stop the top down power driven approach of leadership to force bills through the floor and do a bottoms up approach, everybody gets the legislation and the chips fall where they may. >> give me an example of something where the voices of the grass roots weren't heard by the leadership, something you wanted to bring to the floor but mccarthy wouldn't promise to bring it. >> well, i will do it the other way around. we passed the cr to the floor with no debate, no opportunity to offer amendments. it was brought to the floor seven hours before the funding for government ran out. that's not the way to do business. no one feels empowered or obligated to support this when they had no say in the
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legislation. i don't care we ought to get every member a stay and send it to the senate and don't do it with seven hours left in the fiscal year. >> they are arguing process. i think there is more to it. your thoughts? >> i think -- i would like to see the export/import brought to the floor for amendment. conservatives say don't do that. the freedom caucus on the committee. so it's not true that they are consistent for doing that. let's have a vote on the minimum wage bill up or down with amendments. i think what you have here is a very serious issue. chris, i got to use -- i don't generally like metaphors but i think it is relevant here. this is what happens when an elephant rides a tiger. the republican party for some time now many leaders have been
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encouraging their primary voters to dislike government to say government is no good and does more harm than good and basically convinced a significant percentage of those who vote in the republican primaries that governing is a bad deal and therefore you don't lose a lot. there is a second point. it's one thing to say these are your views. it's another in the american system of government under our constitution to insist that because you win one election for one branch of the government you have the right to oppose your views. we are governed by the last three elections and that means you have a right to advocate but not a right to demand so i think here is what you have both in the house today and in the presidential process republicans who want to govern in a conservative fashion. bob doles, ronald reagans. these are people who think they got jobs by ronald reagan.
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if you want to govern america from the conservative standpoint making compromises that you have to do to govern you can't win because -- last point, the most significant i -- question on that vote here is the point. they have so persuaded republican voters especially those who vote primary that governing is a bad thing that republican members of congress are saying to the leadership please don't make me vote for you because people think you are somebody who wants to govern and i will get in trouble. i don't know how they get out of that. >> isn't there a challenge? members of the caucus it would seem to me would be very careful not to put their names to a leadership candidate because of fear that that person -- isn't that a concern?
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>> no. i think our concern is that again the freedom caucus calling to open up the process in the house. >> what about the immigration bill? if you want to have votes why not throw the immigration bill with a dozen republicans on it? why not bring that vote to the floor? >> chris, why should we bring a senate bill to the floor? we just craft a house bill that is the house idea and house message. if the senate disagrees let's go to conference. >> when have you done that? >> i'm not in lteadership. that's the point. >> what about minimum wage? you said you want democracy practice. what about democracy in the house of representatives? >> we had multiple votes on the minimum wage. it's not that those haven't come to the floor. the fact of the matter is
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members don't feel empowered. they feel there is a top down approach where the leadership decides what is coming to the floor and how it is come toing the floor. >> i'm going to make notes. would you vote for paul ryan? >> i probably would. i would have a discussion about whether he is willing to change rules. we are going to have a discussion about some of the leaders. >> there is conditions then, right? >> look, i would -- paul ryan has to appear before our group like every member and answer some of our concerns. >> you have the veto power. >> i believe the group will end up supporting him. >> last question, your thoughts about -- you think it is dpoeg going to reach the resolution? >> first i want to say i understand andy harris trying to bring democrats in because misery loves company.
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the democrats when nancy pelosi was speaker we had a very participatory process. health care, financial reform, repeal of don't ask don't tell. this is not equal democratic and republican unhap nepinessunhapp i think the problem is this is not a washington problem. this is a problem of the republicans reaping what they have sewn. they have so demenized government, the process of government which under the american constitution separation of powers. what they have is a republican primary electorate so bought into this antiamougovernment th >> thank you so much. congressman harris, thank you for coming on. coming up ted cruz is the ballistic missile looking to blow apart the republican party.
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the number one attacker of the republican establishment leading a mutiny. is this his ticket to winning the white house? he thinks so. president obama travels to roseburg, oregon today and could be close to using his executive authority to do what congress won't do, tighten gun laws in this country. and the washington post reporter held captive in iran passed a grim milestone held longer than americans held during iranian hosta agage crisis. the writer behind the martian is coming here. this is "hardball," place for politics. didn't just ask members to save; but also helped them to save? that allowed families to keep more of their money; letting them use any atm nationwide for free. and, because every dollar matters, didn't nickel-and-dime its members with monthly fees. saving them more than three-hundred forty-five million dollars in one year. that would be a different kind of bank.
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back to "hardball." conservative lawmakers as a senator and 2016 presidential candidate ted cruz. ever since chaeering the shutdon on the campaign trail even today he took another shot saying they are not funding to do anything. >> there is obviously dramatic change happening in washington. i think the reason we are seeing that, the reason speaker boehner is stepping down is that the american people are frustrated. unfortunately, right now republican leadership is not fighting to do anything. instead, they are facilitating and funding the barack obama, harry reid failed big government agenda. >> during his short time in
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washington ted cruz perhaps more than any other candidate made it clear he is at war with the establishment. earlier this summer he made headlines when he called mitch mcconnell a liar charging that mcconnell struck a deal after telling him otherwise. >> the majority leader looked at me and said there is no deal. there is no deal. there is no deal. like st. peter he repeated it three times. that's what we just saw today was an absolute demonstration that not only what he told every republican senator but what he told the press over and over and over again was a simple lie. we now know that when the majority leader looks us in the eyes and makes an explicit commitment that he is willing to say things that he knows are false. >> with the potential for
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another fiscal crisis this fall the gamble may be the stricken government will give his presidential campaign a boost in the home stretch to iowa. i am joined by kathleen parker and republican strategist. i think this is where the parallel realities are meeting now. cruz is in the running, one of the top five people that might win. he has basically become an ied blowing up things in the house of representatives. >> he's short of created this image of himself as the outliar even though he is within and he is responsible for the shutdown or to the extent he was encouraging. >> he is with the right wing caucus and says let's blow this thing up. >> that performance where he like st. peter mcconnell spoke three times. he practices in front of the mirror. that seemed such a --
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>> how do you build a political career by denouncing the leader of your political party as a liar. he says lies. >> ted cruz is the most hated man in washington and using that to his political advantage outside of washington which is the most hated city in america. >> how does that get you to the white house? >> i'm not sure it does. >> short of winning, doesn't he end up losing? no cigar for a guy who runs a campaign against every guy in this party. >> i think he is gambling that he can use the hatred to get the nomination. even though mitch mcconnell and the rest of washington -- >> usually second or third is a good deal because you get vp. he will not get vp or secretary of state. what do you get if you are ted cruz and you are a guided missile that tries to blow up the party and fails to blow up the party and that -- >> he is going to keep getting small donations.
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he has an infrastructure. people in the republican base as you say hate washington so much they want to get rid of john boehner and have gotten rid of mccarthy as the next speaker and they want to get rid of mcconnell. >> don't you need some charm? >> you do. i think under pressure he will be revealed for what he is which is a complete narcissist. >> trump has a weird circus act charm. so far ted cruz declined to take on donald trump. in an interview yesterday cruz said he would lose the republican nomination predicting he would get most of trump's supporters. let's watch this narcissism, if you will. >> do you believe you could beat him based on your principles? >> i think that's right. i think in time i don't believe donald is going to be the nominee and i think in time the lion's share of his supporters end up with us. there's a big difference between
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my record and that of everyone else if you ask who has stood up to washington and who has taken on not just democrats but taken on leaders in their own party. >> it's like driving a vw bug behind a big semi. you get the draft effect. there's no wind resistance. he has been doing that with trump. he has been riding behind trump but now looks like he is going to start saying he is failing. i don't think trump is failing. >> this is the death match that all other republicans hope they knock each other out. the question is will trump prevail or cruz. >> you are a republican pro with a brain. really, i'm being contemptibl let me ask you this. who has a better shot at being the nominee? trump or cruz? >> i think cruz does because consolidating the base. i think that's a huge strategic threat to the republican party
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in general. >> you think cruz can be the nominee of your party? >> he could be even though everybody in washington hates him. if that is the case say hello to hillary clinton as president. >> i do think he can definitely be one of the last men standing. to see him as the nominee is really beyond my comprehension. he has a broadening base. there is a good chance. at least not new hampshire but possibly iowa and possibly south carolina. >> remember your politics a beautiful poster for obama. remember hope. is this going to be nope? is this going to be what the party does? >> i will say the final two are trump versus cruz. the establishment might very well -- >> everybody hear that? trump could be the establishment figure against a guy as unpleasant as cruz.
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>> 12 minutes. >> visibility is almost zero. anyone gets lost hone in. you ready? >> ready! >> are you okay? >> i'm okay. >> hey, we might be able to keep from tipping. >> watch out! >> "the martian" is not your typical science fiction film. writes in the wall street journal what is so stirring about the film is that before and after everything else it is truly about being human. the film captures one man's will to survive but explores the spirit of innovation. it's based on the book of the same name by andy weir. i have to tell you, huge congratulations. i hope you got a good price for this because this is one great
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story. i left that theater so inspired about not just this mcgiver ingenuity and the chinese part. your thoughts about the inspiration of people pulling together. i thought it was great. >> i just honestly think that is what people are like. we have this basic instinct to help each other out. you see on the news when people aren't like that but it is so common for us to go out of our way to help each other out that it's not even news worthy. >> are we going to live through something like this? will we get to 23mars and have drama about getting a guy or person home who gets stranded? how did you come up with something that never happened before?
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it seems so reasonable, every aspect seems i can see this happening. yeah, i can see that happening. how did you get the authenticity right? the science right? >> i have been a space dork my whole life. i grew up watching documentaries about space flight and space program. i did a ton of research while i was writing it. i wanted the science to be accurate. i gave it my best shot. >> the best science fiction has always been human. star trek between captain kirk and spock is very human and likable. twilight zone has always been about human nature. two things, the ingenuity, do you think a guy in matt damon's situation would have been able to come up with an agriculture on mars. >> it is scientifically
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feasible. you would have to do a little more work on the soil than they showed in the film. you can absolutely do it. he has everything he needs. it's just a matter of does he have the skills. he is an astronaut and a botanist. he is a pretty clever guy and he has the training. >> the definition of macho is brains. i hope you got a good fee for that script. up next president obama is considering acting on an issue congress won't touch, gun safety. that's ahead. you are watching "hardball," place for politics. one! which means you can access your dvr at the dmv. change channels while he changes pants. you don't have to be a couch potato, you can be a train potato! and let them watch all the shows they love, inside the ride that you really kind of hate.
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one student is dead and another wounded shooting near texas southern university. a freshman at northern arizona university opened fire earlier shooting four other students during a dispute. one person was killed and three others injured. the flood waters in south carolina are still up to roof tops in some areas. authorities have rescued more than 100 people over the last two days. and the white house is lit up in pink tonight for breast cancer awareness month. back to "hardball." somebody somewhere will comment and say obama politicized this issue. this is something we should politicize. it is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic. each time this happens i am going to bring this up. each time this happens i am going to say that we can
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actually do something about it but we are going to have to change our laws. and this is not something i can do by myself. i have to have in congress and state legislatures and governors who are willing to work with me on this. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was president obama in the white house briefing room. the night of the oregon shooting, the president went to roseburg itself to privately console family members of the nine people murdered and the nine others injured by the lone gunman. >> there are going to be moments as we go forward where we are going to have to come together and figure out how to stop things like this from happening. and i have some very strong
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feelings about this because i'm going to talk to these families you are reminded that this could be happening to your child. >> there are some protesters over reports that he is considering taking specific executive action to widen background checks. joining me now is the "hardball" round table david corn, ruth marcus and cornell belcher. i hate to say it but most pro-gun safety advocate it's hard to come out for anything dramatic. >> we have common sense here and you look at the 85% of americans for background checks.
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47% are for assault weapons ban. you have majority of americans on for common sense approaches. in congress the same thing that is bogging down all of congress as congress is broken and you have the extremist on the right stopping any legislation or any movement on this. the vast majority of americans are for common sense legislation. >> for the people for gun safety are not -- moms for common sense and other regular people just worried about guns. the people for guns this is a deep philosophical belief that their guns protect them from federal authority. >> the people who are for guns are passionate and they vote their passions. and that combined with the pre-existing dysfunction and the gerrymandering and the safe districts just creates an intolerable situation. >> what is a pre-existing condition?
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>> pre-existing gerrymandering and the grid lock of congress. so the president he may be able to take some executive actions on the margin, but even steps that would be reasonably marginal like tougher background checks require he needs to work with congress. i think the solution is in the states. >> well, on the other side of the gun control issue presidential candidates including dr. ben carson. here he is opposing the proposed action. >> i certainly hope that congress, the legislative branch, if he does such a thing will finally stand up and recognize that there is a reason we have separation of powers and checks and balances. and if you sit back and pretend that you are the peanut gallery then the other branches are
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going to be doing things like that. that is not appropriate action. this is the united states of america. we have a system for making laws and rules and it does not include a monarch. >> carson says limitations to second amendment rights might allow someone like hitler to take over our country. >> i think that the likelihood of hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people would have been armed. >> is hitler the only historic figure that people can talk about when they are at a loss for words? everything has to do with the holocaust. not everything relates to that. >> the thing is he is also wrong. hitler didn't come to power by fooling the german people. he got elected. >> he wrote a book. >> and there was open gun laws in early germany except for the jews. germans were able to get guns.
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he has this belief that the germans would have fought the nazis if they had more guns. even quinton tarantino doesn't go this far. >> hitler was enormously popular in germany. we may hate the idea but he had beaten france. he had beaten the lowland countries, taken back austria. >> the german people were not looking for guns to overthrow hitler. that was not the issue at the time. >> the basic rule for politicians should be if you are not talking about the holocaust or a holocaust leave aside the hitler analogies. it's just offensive. >> how do i know this isn't going to work? i think you should never do it and they just -- >> just gradrawn to it. >> carson keeps doing it. this is not the first time doing
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it. book smarts and not a lick of common sense. >> if i slowed down and talked as slow as ben carson could i be president of the united states? >> yes, you could. >> you could say crazier stuff. >> he is a nice man and it is nice to hear the words except when you put them all together i don't like what i hear. the round table is staying with us. much more ahead on the republican revolt in congress. a grim milestone for washington reporter being held still in iran. this is "hardball." can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?
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he can't lift the hammer. it's okay though! you're going to change the world. washington post reporter has been held captive in iran for 445 days now and that is one day longer than the americans held hostage during the iranian hostage crisis. the washington post has called a milestone significant in its injustice. the washington post executive editor joins me now. mr. editor, help us understand. is there anything you know that we don't know? >> all we know is that iranians seem to be interested in a prisoner exchange. >> three for 12. >> something like that. >> they want real terrorists. >> we don't know the names of the people involved but we understand these are people who
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helped iranians circumvent sanctions. people held in the u.s. and maybe outside of the u.s. on behalf of u.s. government. >> we can't administer an oath but everything you know as an employer jason was and is a journalist. there is no doing favors for anybody, passing secrets, nothing. >> we have seen no evidence of that. we believe that is absolutely not the case. as a matter of fact now that it has been 445 days the iranians have produced no evidence publically that he has done anything wrong. >> what constitutes their trial system? what basis do they have holding the guy? >> they are claiming he engaged in espionage. he has been held in prison for all this time including several months in isolation right at the beginning. it is an outrage. >> any help from the state department? >> we are. they say they have been having
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discussions with the iranians along side with the nuclear talks and they continue to have those kinds of conversations. but we have seen no results of those conversations so far. >> what kind of shape is he in? >> he has suffered physical mistreatment for having been in this terrible prison for such a long period of time and psych logically i think he is suffering. >> does red cross get in touch with him? >> not that we are aware of. >> have to rely on the generosity of the iranian revolutionary guard. >> i'm glad you are on the show. i think it is fantastic we are looking out for a journalist being used as a pawn. thank you for joining us. "hardball" back after this. some cash back cards love to overcomplicate things. like limiting where you earn bonus cash back. why put up with that? but the quicksilver card from capital one likes to keep it simple.
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paul is looking at it, but it's his decision. if he decides to do it, he would be an amazing speaker. >> we're back with the roundtable. david, ruth, and cornell. that was majority leader kevin mccarthy commenting on the possibility of paul ryan as speaker of the house. well, pressure is mounting on paul ryan to run for the post, but congressman ryan's spokesperson released a statement late today saying, chairman ryan appreciates the support he's getting from his colleagues, but he's still not running for speaker. but the republican party has bigger problems than who is at the helm, with debt ceiling and budget votes coming up, can they decide if they actually want to compromise and make a decision? that's the thing, bringing chinese gordon into khartoum, he'll get his head chopped off. who says this hot shot ryan can
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deal with a party that has 15 members who say, no deal, period. >> they keep saying the tea partyers are about process, they want to be representatived. they represent one fifth of the gop caucus. and up to now, john boehner didn't want to get too far on the wrong side, because they would mutiny and try to bounce them out of the speakership. now boehner doesn't care, he would probably like to be bounced. the problem is whether the next guy who comes along can say, okay, on the government shutdown and on the debt ceiling crisis, can i say, you know, screw these guys and bring in enough democratic votes and have a bipartisan vote to get past these issues and have fights on individual items. and the tea partyers up until now say, we're not going to let you do that. >> the member from maryland said, i want to have a member with him. so in other words, you have to make a deal and agree to this. >> so the andy harris view they need guarantees from him. but that may be what they think, but that has it totally backwards. if i were paul ryan, there's no
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way on earth i would be accepting this speakership if i didn't have guarantees from them along the lines of what david is saying. so therefore, you're in complete chaos. you cannot have a speaker under those circumstances. >> my argument yesterday was a little more philosophical. if you can't agree on a leader, you're not a party. if you can't agree to just go down, in the end, it's not democratic centralism, like the old left thing, but if you can't finally at all of the end of the meetings and votes, okay, we'll back the winners. they should have 247 votes, not just 218 if they're a real political party. >> the problem is this and i'll blame the guy i work for, barack obama. he said, it was a calamity in certain segments of this country and they went complete revolt. and you're seeing a civil war playing out in the republican party. >> you think this wouldn't be happening with another liberal democrat? >> it has not happened before. it has not happened before. >> do you think it's obama's -- >> it is people who are uncomfortable with the changes that are happening in america
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and barack obama encapsulates the changes that are happening in america. on election day, we had a percentage of the country who were not comfortable with adversity and we had a majority that was comfortable with diversity. >> i think that's a big problem -- i think they're really obsessed with the spending issue and illegal immigration. >> well, then, why didn't they revolt when george bush took us from a surplus to a deficit? >> they don't care about the deficit, they care about the spending. >> george bush was in their party and some of this was their pent-up anger in having to swallow it when george bush did it. but wherever, there is animus towards obama, but if president obama left office tomorrow, it would be towards joe biden. >> bush never vetoed -- >> but it's the base. it's the radicalization of the base, which i think having obama as president, certainly was a catalyst, and the republican establishment, which is now crying like john boehner, rode that tiger into the majority, and now they can't deal with it. will we have a speaker this
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month? it's october, or no? >> no. >> yes, because i think in the end, they will look over that cliff and not like the -- all the air they see. >> will we have a government shutdown? >> i say we'll have a speaker. i think it will be john boehner. >> that was a trick answer. >> will we have a government shutdown? probably for a couple days. that would be my guess. >> how do you settle the planned parenthood issue in two days? that's what i don't get. we'll set the government down over planned parenthood and in two days we're going to find some resolution. >> they want the government shut down because they want the government to fail. >> it's a disaster. a lot after firepower. the best dressed guy here. >> i really resent that. >> this guy. i'm not going to not give him credit for it. although i look pretty good, too. we'll be right back after this. i have type 2 diabetes.
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