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front-runner, will be center stage. the latest poll shows that clinton leads the five contenders but her lead narrows if joe biden were to get into the race. and hillary clinton's unfavorables are at an all time high. meanwhile, biden was with his family in delaware this weekend keeping his decision making a secret despite all of the feverish speculation. on "60 minutes" the president was asked about a potential biden run. >> i think joe will go down as one of the finest vice presidents in history and one of the more consequential. i think he's done great work. i don't think there's any politician at a national level that has not thought about being the president and if you are sitting right next to the president at every meeting, wrestling with these issues, i'm sure that for him, he's saying to himself i could do a really good job. >> i'm joined by nbc's kristen welker, following joe biden in wilmington, and in washington, d.c., carol lee, the "wall
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street journal" white house correspondent. welcome, both. first to you, kristen welker. you saw joe biden went out with his family over the weekend. what are we expecting, when are we expecting or we really don't know? >> reporter: we really don't know. in fact, those closest to him say only one person knows, vice president joe biden, and he is still very much undecided. we know that he's likely been discussing this monumental decision with his family over this holiday weekend but we haven't seen him really come out with the exception of that video you played when he went out to watch his granddaughter's cross country meet. our producer shaquille brewster asked him are you thinking about running. he sort of brushed that question aside, laughed it off. he's certainly not ready to talk about it yet. there's a lot of pressure among democrats, though, for him to make a decision for a couple of reasons. one, they don't think this is particularly great for hillary clinton. as you pointed out, he takes away from her poll numbers, from her base of support and number two, from his supporters'
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perspective, they want to know because if he does get into this race he has some catching up to do. both when it comes to getting a ground game organized in some early voting states and also when it comes to fund-raising. think about it. secretary clinton, bernie sanders both raised more than $20 million last quarter alone. he certainly has his work cut out for him. by some accounts he could make a decision within the next several days although one supporter says he may wait before secretary clinton appears before the benghazi committee, waits to see what happens, how she does, then make his decision after that. we have to wait and see. >> let's talk about what president obama said. carol, you cover the white house. you know president obama so well. here it was the first time he really talked about the e-mail controversy. let's watch what happened when he was asked about it. >> do you agree with what president clinton has said -- secretary clinton has said this is not that big a deal?
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do you agree with that? >> i'm not going to comment on -- >> you think it's not that big a deal? >> what i think is that it is important for her to answer these questions to the satisfaction of the american public and they can make their own judgment. i can tell you that this is not a situation in which america's national security was endangered. >> what the president also said was that it was a mistake. did he do her any favors in this answer? >> it doesn't sound like it to me. it seemed to go out of his way not to do her any favors with his answer. he said he wasn't aware that she had a private server while she was secretary of state. he was asked as you showed in that clip, you know, whether it was a big deal or not and wouldn't answer that question. he deflected. i think he made pretty clear that what happened was not something that he approves of and he also gave a classic answer deflecting to the
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american people to decide whether or not what she did passes muster with them. >> as you know, a lot of people covering the white house have suggested but you know very well, white house officials from the president on down are not happy about that private server. >> no, they're not, because this is a president that has prided himself and his administration on being quote, the most transparent administration in history. this is not something that they wanted to have to answer questions about inside the white house repeatedly and it's been that way for months. you know, this is -- this has been a distraction from some of the other things that they would like to talk about, particularly you pay attention to the white house. the daily briefings have been dominated off and on by this question about the secretary's e-mail. so i don't think anyone inside the white house would say that they're happy about what she chose to do and clearly, the president's answer in that interview shows that he's not personally not happy about what she chose to do.
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>> kristen welker, you were all over this story, the story that the "new york times" first broke about the self-described whistle blower, a fired committee investigator, a career intelligence analyst who worked for the benghazi committee and really took a huge shot at them. let me play a little bit of his claim and also our exclusive interview with trey gowdy that you got this weekend responding to it. >> i'm trying to be objective about this. as i stated, hillary clinton has a lot of explaining to do. we however did not need to shift resources to hyper-focus on hillary clinton. we didn't need to deemphasize and in some cases drop the investigation on different agencies, different organizations and different individuals. >> well, it's a damn lie and that's not a word that i often use, but rarely is it so easily proven. he never said a word about hillary clinton until it looked like he was going to lose his
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mediation, then he went on another television show and made this allegation. but he never said a word about it in june, july, august, september or october, despite having ample opportunity to do so. >> kristen, he was suing for back pay, objecting to the fact he was fired, and then went public. >> that's right. and these are very strong allegations, as you point out. essentially saying the benghazi committee ultimately once it was revealed that secretary clinton was using a private server, started to focus almost solely on secretary clinton, that this became a political mission, and you heard the chairman, trey gowdy, pushing back very forcefully and saying this was essentially a disgruntled employee while the major's attorneys would take exception to that. they also say he did make his concerns known to the committee way back in april, but there's a real back and forth politically. this could be another gift for
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secretary clinton, her campaign came out yesterday very strongly, called these allegations explosive. expect her to try to use them to discredit the benghazi committee and of course, what's so significant about this is that it comes on the heels of house majority leader kevin mccarthy coming out and suggesting that the committee was aimed at dragging down clinton's poll numbers. as we all know now, he has since withdrawn his name from contention to become the next speaker of the house. so this is something that helps secretary clinton heading into that october 22nd hearing with the benghazi committee and andrea, as you know, the vice president will likely be watching that very closely. if he hasn't decided by then. >> and then there's donald trump. he was -- he is in new hampshire at the no labels event and here's part of what happened today. >> maybe i'm wrong, maybe you can prove me wrong, but i don't think that you're a friend to woman. >> i knew i shouldn't have picked her.
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i knew i shouldn't have picked her. all right. let me give you that answer right now. i respect women incredibly. >> i want to get paid the same as a man and i think you understand that. so if you become president, will a woman make the same as a man and do i get to choose what i do with my body? >> you're going to make the same, if you do as good a job. you are going to make the same if you do as good a job and i happen to be pro-life. >> carol lee, that's new hampshire politics, just in that one moment, isn't it? >> with the hands on the hips and the nod that she gave, it is. the question about women is interesting because you know, donald trump has said some things that women may find offensive and that was obviously brought up in the first republican debate and became an issue, yet he has this very close relationship with his
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daughter and so it will be interesting to see if he starts to highlight that more as the campaign goes on, because the question about how he views women and how his policies would treat women is a real one. >> thanks so much to carol lee and to kristen welker. got to love politics new hampshire style. we do have breaking news today out of tehran. serious news. jason rezaian, the journalist who has spent more than a year in a jail facing charges of espionage, trumpd-up charges, was convicted today. "washington post" executive editor called the guilty verdict an outrageous injustice. i'm joined by the foreign editor for the "washington post." good to see you but not on such unhappy circumstances. what do we know, could this possibly, trying to look for a silver lining, be the precursor to some decision to parole him or let him go? >> well, let's hope so. there's a lot that we don't
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know. we don't know what charges jason was convicted of. we don't know what sentence that could carry. we certainly don't know what purported evidence iran is putting forward. but we do know some other things. we know that iran's senior leaders have the power to overturn any verdict. we know they have the power to pardon jason. and we know they have sent some signals about a willingness to consider freeing jason and other americans if the united states takes steps to free iranians held in american jails. we don't know what's happened but let's hope this sham of a trial can open the way toward a real resolution to this case. >> doug, just a couple weeks ago at the united nations, i was with a group of journalists questioning president rouhani. he said that he didn't have control over the judicial system which is what he has said every year. but he also did say that there could be the possibility of a prisoner exchange. that's not something that anyone in the state department seems to be taking up.
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>> of course, president rouhani was also careful to say he didn't really like the prisoner exchange. what he described his willingness to take steps to free americans and the united states taking steps to free iranians, was exactly that. you're right, nothing has been said in public as far as i know in response to that overture but the united states has said again, and again today, that it's important that iran move to free jason, to put an end to this. >> one of the other troubling things that rouhani said that day is they don't recognize dual citizenship, so not only for jason but for other of the prisoners in iran, american citizens, we should point out, they are claiming that they are iranian citizens, they have sole control over them. >> that's been a difficulty in this case throughout. it's a reason the united states government has never been allowed to visit jason in prison. it's a reason that iran says
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that the united states doesn't have a situaay at the table. it is notable while president rouhani says he doesn't control the judicial system, we know iran's supreme leader does have the power to intervene in a case like this, to return a verdict, to issue a pardon, to take the steps forward that we really think are necessary. >> certainly with the nuclear deal agreed to, this would be very, very strong signal by the iranians that they want to have a relationship in other arenas. so far there has been no follow-up to the nuclear agreement in anything else, counter terrorism, counter-isis, nothing. >> that's right. we certainly have seen in the handling of jason and other americans, a very different darker side of iran than the one iran was trying to put forward reaching the nuclear deal with the united states. >> in vienna was negotiating the
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nuclear deal, when the u.s. was negotiating the nuclear deal, i was covering it and interviewed the brother who has been just relentless, as has the rest of the family, trying to push u.s. officials to do more for this case. and they are frankly frustrated with the lack of effort on the part of the u.s. maybe things are happening behind the scenes that we don't know. >> they are frustrated. that's understandable. the united states has done a lot to call attention to this case but we do believe that the u.s. government can do much, much more at the very highest levels to work with jason's family and the "washington post" to bring jason home. >> you and marty baron and all our friends at the post have been amazing on this. we would like to see a lot more action from the government.
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thank you very much. >> thank you so much. up next, anger and prayers in turkey today. after the twin bombings that killed nearly 100 people on saturday. ♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
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87 people were killed when twin suicide bombings violently disrupted a peace rally in ankara, turkey saturday. kurdish opposition groups are blaming the government for not preventing the attack. the government is blaming isis. foreign correspondent richard engel joins us from istanbul to help sort it all out. you have elections, parliamentary elections in a couple of weeks and an increasingly unpopular leader. what is the backdrop to these horrific bombings? >> reporter: well, there's a lot
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of suspicion here. the people who are victims of this latest attack, their family members, the people who survived the attack, aren't just blaming the government for not doing enough to protect them. they are actually accusing the government, particularly president erdowan of orchestrating the attacks. people were shouting murderer, they were shouting his name. other opposition groups are taking a more cautious stance but also blaming the government. they are not saying the government directly orchestrated the attack but that the policies of the turkish government which have been somewhat tolerant toward isis have allowed this kind of violence to take place. and both groups, those who are more conspiratorial minded and those who blame the government say it is designed to help the government win elections to take place on the 1st. the government says this is in
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no way political motivated, this was a security mistake that this was a terrorist attack and that national mourning has been declared and the government is going to extraordinary lengths to investigate these crimes and to try and break up the terrorist cell. the government believes that it was an isis or at least isis-linked attack. >> this is not a border area, not an area where isis has been active before so how credible is it that it could be isis? >> reporter: it's quite credible, because the question is who ordered the attack, whether it was some sort of isis cell or a fanatical group at the government's behest, all of that is in dispute. but isis as we have talked about many times on this show, has been operating in turkey openly for the last several years. they have offices in some of the border towns. they use the turkish border into syria as their main transit route. they have often arrived at the
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airport here in istanbul. so to get two suicide bombers into ankara would not be a major challenge for the organization. >> i want to also ask you about the incursion into turkish air space by russian jets and turkey obviously being a nato ally, how has that escalated or de-escalated in the last 48 hours? >> reporter: we could talk here about the complexities of turkey for the next two hours and it would be interesting. you have -- >> i could talk to you for two hur hours, it would be interesting. >> reporter: we have turkey, a nato ally, that has been turning a blind eye to isis. opposition groups saying allowing isis to carry out this destructive, disgusting attack in ankara over the weekend for political gain. then you have russia now entering the mix, cruising into turkish air space clearly is an
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attempt to show its strength, to tell the turks to quiet it down, to subjugate nato and insult nato. each group is now fighting its own war in syria. you have turks backing opposition groups mostly islamic groups inside syria, you have the u.s. backing kurdish groups and attacking isis and you have the russians buzzing turkish air space and attacking in favor of the regime. and mostly attacking rebels. there are three, maybe four different wars overlapping inside syria right now and all of this is having a political impact on elections in this country, as erdowon is trying to remain in power. it is a very volatile time for politics in this country and for the entire region. >> big implications for the united states as well, of
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i talked to bernie sanders before i left washington. senator, hillary clinton now says that she is against the trade deal and she hasn't even read it. to what do you attribute her decision to go up against it? >> your guess is as good as mine. all i know is that when we try to understand why the middle class of this country is disappearing, a lot of that has to do with the disastrous trade policies that have been passed in recent years, permanent normal trade relations with china and in my view, the tpp is just a continuation of disastrous trade policies. i have been against it from day one. >> now that hillary clinton is in your corner and agreeing with you on trade, what are you going to be able to debate with her about? >> i think there are one or two issues out there. look, in terms of this campaign, at a time when we are looking at massive wealth and income
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inequality, a corrupt campaign finance system, hundreds of thousands of young people not able to afford to go to college, the climate crisis, global crisis of climate change, believe me, our positions are very different on many of these issues. how you deal with wall street. i think there is plenty to debate about. >> the fact is she's come out in favor of a major crackdown on wall street, on banks, on hedge funds. comprehensive proposals. so there, she's a lot closer to you than she is to barack obama or even her own husband. >> not really, andrea. the real issue is when you have a handful of huge financial institutions, many of them bigger today than they were when we bailed them out because they were too big to fail, to my mind, we must reestablish the glass steagall legislation and in fact, we have to begin the process of breaking them up. we need an entirely different financial system which is part
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of the american productive economy, not as is currently the case, wall street being an island unto itself. we have serious disagreements on wall street. but more importantly, i think what people are going to have to look at is our track record. i did not come out against the tpp yesterday. i came out very early on in this process. i have been against trade agreements that have hurt american workers and the environment from way back when. i have been standing up to corporate america, fighting for real tax reform when many corporations in a given year pay nothing in federal income taxes. i think the question is when so few have so much in this country today, which candidate is better prepared to stand up to the billionaire class and fight for working families? i will let the voters make that decision. but i'm confident if they study my record, they will respect what i have done. >> another issue is the keystone
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pipeline. she's now in agreement with you on keystone pipeline and on climate change. >> well, that's right. that's just another example, you know? i understood again from early on, several years ago, that if you are serious about slowing down climate change and transforming our system away from fossil fuel to sustainable energy, you cannot spore the skv excavation of some of the dirtiest oil in the world. that's what it's about. i'm glad the secretary is on board with that issue as well. >> she said she doesn't know anything about the correct the record super pac that is aligned with her going after you. do you accept that? >> you know, i don't know what the internal mechanisms are within the clinton campaign. but i am trying to run a positive issue-oriented campaign
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times" that it is actually a small number of families who are funding 2016 races. nick joins me now. the country is changing demographically, more women, more people of color. the money people behind these campaigns are normally male and white. >> it's fascinating. the profile of these megadonors who account for about half of the money in the campaign so far is basically the opposite of the emerging electorate. they are mostly white, older, extremely wealthy and they reside in a few dozen cities and neighborhoods around the country. it's a very small, elite group and what's most fascinating is it's basically people from energy and finance. these two industries account for over half of the money in that pool of money, and it's very striking. it's just the two industries and a couple of others. it's not tech money for the most part. and you know, it's mostly these two. >> does it skew more republicans than democratic if the tech
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industry is not really as much represented? >> so far, this money is overwhelmingly backing republicans. that's partly because the republicans have a more competitive primary and more super pacs but it reflects a broader dominance of the super pac world in the last five years by republicans and conservative donors. so far the liberal donors have not put the same kinds of money into these vehicles and so it's mostly a conservative pool of money. >> what is your reporting telling you about what i believe to be the fiction that there is a real firewall between the super pacs and the campaigns? >> well, basically, you know, a normal person's definition of independence is very different from the world of these kind of groups and candidates. so you or i would say that as independents, but in the real world they can share fund-raisers, they can share lawyers, they can do events together so there really isn't actually a whole lot they can't do except a candidate can't wake
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up, hop on the call and say do this with your money. the candidate can say hey, you know, it would be great if somebody would do this with their money. so there is this effective coordination. what we are seeing here is the return of soft money into the campaigns, contributions from the wealthy, from unions and from corporations. >> of course, jeb bush is a big beneficiary of this but it hasn't helped him in the polls. so their impact is not as obvious. at least in terms of the success of the candidates they back. >> it's a great point. so far, we are seeing the candidates that have the most money in the race, the most money from this group, are not leading. however, what's interesting is that the single biggest donors in this group of donors are giving to ted cruz, who is not liked by the establishment, who doesn't have the support of the kind of broader world of smaller big donors, if you will. yet he is able to have the support of the handful of people who have given him $40 million
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or more. that's what's possible with citizens united. if you have a couple rich backers in your corner, you can raise almost half as much money as a guy like jeb bush, who has hundreds of these people in his corner. >> that's how sheldon adelson and others were able to keep candidates in the field and keep the field as large as it was last time around. donald trump on saturday was talking about the fact that he has only spent $2 million according to his reports, has not spent anything on ads. he doesn't need to because all he does is pick up the phone and he's on television any time he wants to be. never seen anybody before phone it in to sunday talk shows. here are his comments looking forward to tonight's democratic debate. >> i think it's not going to be very well rated because trump isn't in the debate. i'm only kidding. i think it's not going to be highly rated. i think it will be watch it for 10 or 15 minutes, people will
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get bored and turn it off. >> are you going to be watching? >> i'll be watching. >> that was trump today talking about tomorrow's debate. >> listen, the democratic candidates aren't showmen and women in the way that donald trump is. but i expect to see fireworks. i think there's more disagreements on policy in the democratic field than in the republican one. i think bernie sanders and hillary clinton are very far apart on some issues, plus i think there's a real incentive for bernie sanders and some of the other candidates to show how they are different from hillary clinton. i expect real interest in this debate. obviously it won't be reality tv in the same way. >> a different kind of reality. thanks so much for your reporting. great piece in the "new york times." and los angeles dodgers second baseman chase utley has been suspended for games three and four of the playoffs for what major league baseball decided was an illegal slide into second. he still may be able to play in tonight's game, however, if his
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world? that's a complex question explored in justice stephen breyer's new book, "the court and the world, american law and the new global realities." justice breyer took the time to sit down with me last week and talk about that. you write about international law and the laws of other nations, and you write that those laws should be part of the overall thinking that goes into decision making, that it's the larger context. explain. >> not only should be, but they are, and what i have noticed over the past 20 years is the number of cases that requires us for sound decision making to do something about what goes on beyond our own shores, has grown enormously. >> you give some examples, examples of copyright law, of people who come here from other countries who believe that they own the copyright to something. >> thailand student, a student at cornell.
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he discovers textbooks, the same textbook is much cheaper in thailand. he asks his parents to send some copies. they send quite a few. and he sells them. the publisher's upset and sues him. can he do what he was doing? a very technical question. we are told that this case will affect $3 trillion worth of commerce. that's a lot of money even today. to decide this case properly, the meaning of an american statute, you must know how other countries deal with copyright, their publishers' practices and much else from abroad. same is true of securities law, anti-fraud law, same is true in many commercial fields because commerce is international. >> current case, if not yet a legal case, but it is arguably going to be some day a legal case because an international group, doctors without borders, is saying that the united states may have committed a war crime
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in afghanistan and they are asking for redress from an international fact-finding group. the united states is not party to that group and does not recognize that group. >> let's put the contemporary case to the side. think of dolly artega. she came from paraguay in the '70s to new york and there she finds in new york the man from paraguay who tortured her brother to death. she finds him and she found an old law from the 18th century, 1790s, which said that an alien, her, could get damages from another alien for a violation of the law of nations. she sued, she won, she went back to paraguay and said i wanted to look that torturer in the eye and came away with much more. that law has spawned many, many similar cases. how do you interpret it so it's consistent with other nations' laws that might try the same thing?
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mo those are big questions in a human rights area and you have to know what happens abroad to get this right unless you're going to give the president a blank check which our court has said it won't, you have to know the nature of what's going on beyond our borders. >> in the last session, you ended up in the majority more than not. was that an unusual position for you to be in? >> i seem to have been in the majority more in the last session than i have been in other years. >> in one case in which you were fiercely in dissent, it was on the death penalty, the case of richard glossip which the pope tried to intervene with a letter recently. he was one of three petitioners who said it was painful to use the injection procedure in his state. you wrote in dissent very, very strongly that rather than trying to patch up the death penalty's legal wounds one at a time, i would ask for full briefing on a more basic question, whether the
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death penalty violates the constitution. are we down the road going to face a situation where the death penalty is addressed by the supreme court? >> i said it should be and justice ginsburg joined that opinion. my reasoning set out in 46 pages, i can summarize -- >> we have a lot of it here. it was a big decision. >> there are a lot of studies and things cited but for one thing, i tried to -- i suggested by means of those studies and so forth, sometimes it's the wrong person. very often it is arbitrary. >> african-americans are more likely to be executed than white. >> the study shows an african-american who has convicted of a crime of murder -- >> against a white. >> against a white person, is more likely to be executed than against a black person. the people who have been convicted take on average 18 years before an execution takes
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place and the number of executions has been dropping dramatically over the past few decades. so i have argued on the basis of that that it is time to reconsider the basic issue rather than sort of a host of subsidiary issues. whether we'll do that or not depends on the extent to which other members of our court agree. >> some of the dissents in that case, the majority opinions as well by scalia and thomas, were slashing, very, very abrasive, i should say. does that fray the personal relationships? >> the personal relationships are fine. we are all professionals. around that conference table, i have said and i continue to say that i have never heard a voice raised in anger. i have never heard one judge say something there that is insulting or rude, not even as a joke about another. we don't agreed about everything. that's true. but we remain friends. we remain colleagues. and the atmosphere is
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continuously civil. >> justice stephen breyer, thank you very much. friends and admirers are in mourning for a key figure in a terrifying moment in american history. jerry parr, the secret service agent who saved ronald reagan from an assassination attempt at the hands of john hinckley has died at the age of 85. it was march 30th, 1981, when parr shoved president reagan into the limousine after shots were fired in front of the washington hilton, wounding another agent, a d.c. police officer and nearly killing press secretary james brady. the president's car was returning to the white house when parr spotted blood and redirected it to george washington hospital, realizing the president had been injured. doctors say that split second decision likely saved reagan's life as any delay would have been fatal. reagan reportedly apologized the next morning for complaining the agent had jumped on top of him to protect him from any further gunfire. parr retired from the secret
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i haven't changed my mind. my answer's still the same. i have nothing more to say or nothing new to add. >> you have probably heard from a lot of your colleagues. >> i have, but i haven't changed my answer. i really have nothing more to add. i'm just going to leave it at that. >> so which political story will make headlines in the next 24 hours? nbc's luke russert joins me now. luke, we are all watching paul ryan, the other big political figure making a decision, other than joe biden. what are you hearing? we are hearing i know from your reporting that bill flores from texas that if ryan does not run, he would three his hat in the ring. >> reporter: it makes sense that someone from the texas
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delegation would take a look at the speaker's race. if they were to vote as a bloc you start off with 24 or 25 members there in a speaker's race. when it gets to paul ryan, no news. no news. his spokeman tweeting this morning quote, before you ask, nothing has changed and i don't anticipate any news this week. what you really see happening here is paul ryan taking a step back and sort of seeing how the gop conference as a whole, where their heads are. what do i mean by that? well, when they go back to their constituencies during recess weeks they talk to their voters, a lot of voters who express anger and it tends to make them more conservative or be more full of outrage, shall we say. ryan wisely is trying to delay a decision about his future until that occurs so more likely than not he will probably put this off the entire week. what i will say, though, however, is that from people i have spoken to close to him as well as people in the party close to the leadership, paul ryan does not want to have to
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run for speaker and deal with the type of conservative outrage that john boehner and kevin mccarthy did. if he is to go forward on this, he does not want a muddy fight. he wants the pathway to be clear to 218. until he can get that assurance he will still probably be a maybe. >> okay. luke russert, the latest and greatest, thank you very much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." we will be out here, hillary clinton has taken off from westchester county airport en route to las vegas. we will cover the next few days. tomorrow we are live from the wynn resort where the debate will take place. joining us will be debbie wasserman schultz, tad divine, jen palmieri and more. follow the show online and on twitter. thomas roberts will be up next with "msnbc live." ♪
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race and democrats who want him to run are still waiting for a yes or a no answer from vice president joe biden. meanwhile, the party's presumed favorite is dogged by an e-mail controversy that won't go away, with another house benghazi hearing ten days from now. but there is good news for hillary clinton's campaign. new poll numbers showing clinton holding strong in two key states. plus another member of the gop backing up what kevin mccarthy already revealed. the house select committee on benghazi is a witch hunt. a former republican staffer goes on the record calling it a partisan investigation, but the right says that his words cannot be trusted. good to have you with me. i'm thomas roberts. that benghazi bombshell leads us off this hour on "msnbc live." the former staffer, making new charges against the republican-led committee. he says he was unfairly fired in part for trying to conduct a nonpartisan and thorough probe. instead of


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